Horus Heresy General /hhg/

>>50794236
First for BL and H enabling you to face your daddy issues!

>>50794236
Second for the Seventh. We are fortifying this thread.

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Third for the Third Legion

>>50794276
Hail, fellow Son of Dorn!

>>50794236
Anyone going to the New Year's Open Day?

>>50794314
Not me I will begin basic training at the second of january.

>Fug.

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A couple of people have commented on the weird curving belly of the upcoming techpriest dude, and for a while I couldn't put my finger on what was strange about the model. But, I've got it, I've worked out what the silhouette reminds me of.

Reminder that this techpriest is:
>10,000 years old
>mysterious, nobody knows what he's been up to or what his plans/aims are
>and nobody knows what he looks like under the robes and gadgets

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>>50794369

>>50794369
How hard is it for him to get around?

>>50794369
Oh I see.

I don't get it.

>>50794464
He's (manifestation of) Void Dragon.

>>50794491
OK. Neat.

>>50794276
Which episode of ETTS did he say this anyway?

>>50794276
>>50794302
My fellow /Fortifiers/

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>>50794616
First episode after his reveal.

>>50794369
It's a centaur-like frame. Can't really tell without the 360 view, but it looks like there'd be 4 legs under the robes, and his torso comes up like a centaur's (with belly plate+hunchback plate ontop)

>>50794369
>Belisarius Cawl.
I wonder if he'll be anything like his namesake.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belisarius

>>50794795
Can I get a laydown on who that toaster molesting guy is, and why he's important?

>>50794298
Children of the Emperor! Death to his foes!

>>50794298
Great dread, Palatine Goose.

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>>50794236
Hey guys... I am thinking about doing a renegades and heretics side project and thoufht about maybe kitting them out so they fit a cults and militia list as well.

I bought some tempestus minis to hereticify since I plan on going the route of the bloody handed reaver space pirate!

How much can I toy around with 3rd party stuff and still keep my guys rules conform?

I thought about using FWs regular renegade upgrade kit for special weapons teams etc, but using these neat WW1 brit helmets as more armoured stormtrooper heads.

I am also toying with the idea to swap some weapons for sonic looking stuff, as I read Black Crusade material about some slaaneshi world that is really good at manufacturing those and subjugators etc. Doesn't need to be slaaneshi, can just be cool heretek/xeno stuff.

>I want wires and weapons that look like they liquify people with sound.

Please help, I dont want to be thrown into mini- limbo because of this

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>>50794829
Belisarius Cawl, a new Admech named character for the 40k Fall of Cadia book in January.

Is over 10k years old, and has been working on the same mission since the Heresy. We don't know what that is yet, but there's art of him in thr Webway with Black Templars and an Deldar Incubi, so it might be something to do with the "fixing the Throne" thing in the Cult Mech book.

Statwise we don't know much, but he's T6, 5W and FnP, has some special abilities of unspecified power and is around 290/200 points.

Sounds a bit like Scoria, but probably no EW so probably not anywhere near that power level. Still buying the model though, it's awesome if a bit overdone even for an Archmagos, but I guess that will be mitigated by him being Carnifex-sized.

>>50795030
>Is over 10k years old, and has been working on the same mission since the Heresy. We don't know what that is yet, but there's art of him in thr Webway with Black Templars and an Deldar Incubi, so it might be something to do with the "fixing the Throne" thing in the Cult Mech book
Okay so that explains him in that picture in the 40k General.
>is 10k years old
>working on the same mission
I only want to know more.

>>50795030
Really overdone, looks like some warmachine stuff.

>:^)

>>50795030
Warhammer Community lists him as an Archmagos Dominus, which is a Heresy-era Legio Cybernetica commander.

>>50795056
Well, that's all we know for now. Book is 14th January, so we'll have the details soon. Hurry up, time!

>>50795091

Yeah, that's his rank. I play both variants of Mechanicum, this will be nice to have a model that works in both, same as the regular plastic Dominus. Kind of hoping he gets to fight something like a Daemon Engine/Titan and BTFO it with Cybertheurgy. He full well could have been a Dominus during the Heresy, too.

>>50795030
Since when did Magos live that long?

>>50795217
If a space marine can do it, so can a magos.

>>50795217
>>50795240
Magos have a better eeason than spess muhreens desu.

>>50795217
I remember there is some old fluff about Fabricator Generals having access to Dreadnought like life support system bodies but it will drive them insane.

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>>50794795
>>50795030
B E L I S A R I U S

Plz don't betray him.

>>50795240
But space marines can't usually do it unless strapped to a walking hospital bed. And some guys in the Crusade were already old, can you imagine 9800 years of being old?

I will agree Magi have a usually higher life expectancy than a marine because they're not expected to kill 10 000 orks in melee or something, but still the most I thought they lived was like 600 years, or at most 2.5 times what Kryptman has lived.

>>50795433

>marines can't do it unless strapped to a walking hospital bed


That seems to be more because they'll die in combat than anything about dying of old age.

(Non chaos) Marines do age a bit and can deteriorate physically (enough that they aren't worth taking along in most combat drops) but we haven't seen one actually die of old age yet. It may or may not be possible, they just don't get the chance.

>>50794236

I can't believe it's taken this long for someone to notice the Comic Sans.

I chose it deliberately to see if I could get a reaction. Surprises me it's taken this long.

>>50795433
>>50795272
Magi tend to have the greatest lifespans in the Imperium because they're not spending their lives killing things 24/7, they have access to the best technology the Imperium can offer (since they're the ones crafting it), and because they tend to replace 95% of their organic body with machinery.

As for a total lifespan, I'd imagine they could live centuries, or even a few thousand years, but I don't know about 10k. Then again, Mechanius fluff hasn't really been elaborated on until recently, so for all we know it's possible. Marines have crazy long lifespans as well, even outside of a dread, it's just that combat almost always claims them first.

>>50795542
The latter suits me more.

Chaos has to have some advantages beyond spawnhood.

>>50795542
Didn't last-last thread we have a guy quoting Fabius saying "No, you're not immortal, brother" or similar?
It's usually a non-issue for most marines, since even their commanders die in the field, but still...

>>50795575

How would he know? He's just a series of terminally ill clones.

>>50795566

It certainly helps, chaos champions come back from the dead like...some clever cultural reference.

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>>50795565
Perhaps BELISARIUS undergoes routine cryo/stasis or similar?
>How much will it take for the artificial moon to grow?
>840 years, lord.
>Excellent. Wake me in a century for routinary supervision. Do not wake me for anything stupid...or else! Fuck yeah, I'm Belisarius!

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>Reading Master of Mankind
>Emp is a turbo-autist who refers to his sapient creations by numbers and genuinely can't comprehend why they might be slightly upset that he regards them as disposable

Explains a lot actually...

>>50795021
>I am also toying with the idea to swap some weapons for sonic looking stuff, as I read Black Crusade material about some slaaneshi world that is really good at manufacturing those and subjugators etc. Doesn't need to be slaaneshi, can just be cool heretek/xeno stuff.

>I am also toying with the idea to swap some weapons for sonic looking stuff, as I read Black Crusade material about some slaaneshi world that is really good at manufacturing those and subjugators etc. Doesn't need to be slaaneshi, can just be cool heretek/xeno stuff.

the EC got their inspiration to modify their soldiers with sonic implants from an alien race(the lear i think, are called).
i think is ok

>>50795757
I did some research now, apparently gw is nazi as fuck about 3rd party bits.

Might just try to attach regular aonic blasters with some extra wires as hotshot lasguns and a bit of green stuff.

I mean, I think its ok as well, but apparently if the store guys say...or on offical events you only getto use their shit.

But thanks for the support,who needs tournaments anyway.official ones that is.

>>50795563
>Comic Sans
I'm still not noticing it.

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>>50795563
Oh, we all saw it since day one.
We just didn't give a fuck and posted First for the First and sheit.
I mean, if I have had a problem with it I would have fixed it myself.

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How long before Eldar get their own book about how they fought the Traitor fleets and slowed them down and ultimately helped save Terra so that we can get Forgeworld-exclusive Wraithoniichans?

>>50796297
About 10 000 years

>>50795563
Ha where have you been that op jas been around for a while

>>50795739

Emperor is literally a Bleach character in MoM, literally Aizen tier as far as super powerful masterminds who stand above all of creation go.

>>50796342
Humans are humans because of their mortality, and even then most old people have already ran out of fucks to give.
Now imagine an immortal one who knows humans cannot be trusted to run things by themselves yet, but wants them to be.

>>50796297
>Forgeworld-exclusive Wraithoniichans?

Fuck that, I'm tired of all these exclusive onii-chans. It's time for FW to start making some exclusive-nee's.

>>50796374

Humanity was once great, the Emperor only wants to lead humanity back to its former greatness. Remember in 40kverse, everything evil and vile is in some way fuel or a byproduct of Chaos and the ultimate end game to get humanity to a transcendental Human Webway Heaven would have ultimately purified humanity (as far as the Emperor's gameplan went).

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>>50796416
False.
Emps doesn't care about empires, those can be rebuilt. The modern Imperium is cimented on the remnants of the aftermath of Skynet.
What Emps wants is to lessen mankind being vulnerable to daemons popping out of some backwater planet's witch's skull.
The details on that plan are skubby (psychic race, webway, no psychic race), but all agree Emps thinks mishaps and daemons are a bad thing.

>>50796611
That's pretty much what he said.

>>50796626
What I tried to say is mankind's "former greatness" was at that time as great as Tau's.
I pretty much only disagree to the first sentence.

>>50796678

>What I tried to say is mankind's "former greatness" was at that time as great as Tau's.

wut? correct me if some new book retconned this, but wasn't humanity pre-DAoT at least equal to Eldar pre-Fall?

>>50796712
Tau are like 5000 years old, weren't pre-DAoT humans 15 000+? GIve them that time and see what happens.
But I assumed they were Halo-like.
And by Halo-like I'm referring to that pre-historic human empire that did war with the ones who built the rings.
Advanced dudes with funny names like Fortencho.

>>50796329

I know. I made it when people complained that we were always using the same OP.

>>50796808

Tau were also allegedly helped along by a nearby Craftworld. Not quite the same set of circumstances.

>>50796712

The whole Eldar/dAoT humanity dichotomy has never been explained, although Eldar never make any reference to ever having respected humanity in the past. It very well could be that the Eldar inhabited one part of the Galaxy around the eye of terror and humanity was mostly around Terra.

>>50796808
If i'm not mistaken, but in the Halo-Verse wasn't humanity almost equal to the forerunners? Can't remember what the exact reason was, but on one of forgeworlds heresy books, i'm pretty sure they alluded to DAoT humanity having similar levels of tech, something about hard light ships?

>>50796297
Possibly never. Didn't FW say they weren't going to do 30k xenos?

>>50796808
>>50796834

Both Tau and Eldar are incompetents who were uplifted by a superior race (Eldar and Old Ones, respectively). Only mankind developed on its own.

>>50796942

To be fair, Eldar was rallied to fight a galactic horror with the technological equivalent of sticks and stones down to the last man for a fight they didn't ask for. They get props for barely surviving after the entire galaxy went belly up.

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>>50795030
>>50794369

So, since Belasaurus Rex and his boner are apparently 10,000 years old, do you think there will be AoD rules for him? And why should we care anyway when Scoria exists?

>>50796900
Yes, that's what I said.
But I think their ships were simply powerful regular ships.
The ones that had psionic architecture were the Precursors, akin to forerunners for both Ancient Humans and the Forerunners themselves.
And the origin of the Flood
Humans only lost the war because they waged a war on two fronts.

>>50797104

Loyalist scoria

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>>50797104
Scoria suddenly loses Eternal Warrior. Would he be balanced?
Alternate:
He keeps EW but loses his Vhodian "D-1 Str" scepter for a weapon that still does D3 wounds but on a 4+. How about now?
>>50797158
>Loyalist Fortification-centered Magos named BELISARIUS
pic related

>>50797104
He's got a model.

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>>50797158

SUDDENLY A REASON TO PLAY ANOREXIC ROBOTS

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>>50797188

>>Loyalist Fortification-centered Magos named BELISARIUS
>>mfw allied with Imperial Fists

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>>50797272
I said it thinking of Iron Warriors so they could get allied with other than Cybernetica and Kyr-Vhalen the shit out of it, but I understand Fists would like him as well.

>>50797144
Not trying to derail /hhg/ any longer, but i could have sworn that at least the didact's ship was literally have different forerunners constructs/machines forming from the hull of his ship on his whim... Also the fucking Ancilla

>>50797104
Because Scoria was a mistake

>>50797558

Scoria is necessary to make us give a shit about the Dark Mechanicum in the end times. Scoria kicking Horus' ass with one hand tied behind its back is a mistake, though.

>>50797524
I guess so, Fs and Humies were pretty much in the same tech level.
Also, the fucking Sphynxes, man.
The only legacy of the Didact's kids were their thought patterns in their war walkers.
Now that's akin to what I think DAoT was like...and that's 40k Tau, since O'Vesa-9 is exactly that.
A remembrance of a friend and mentor in a war machine.
See this? I'm substantiating my claims :^)

Volkite Cavaliers versus Chargers on a footslogging tactical support squad?

>>50797572
Bit strong, its pretty much an even fight.

And he is slow as hell and has no assault transport.
I think he would be balanced with a points bump to around 425 and a move to the Lord of War slot, since he doesn't hand out Primarch buffs unless you run Cybernetica with hardly any Cortex Controllers for some reason.

I feel a lot of the hate for Scoria is just legionfags being butthurt that their snowflakes can be beaten in a dick-swinging contest. The amount of times I've seen a lone Primarch take on a lone Scoria is a tad low. Dorn got killed (presumably) by a dogpile, for god's sake, it's not like they're invincible.

>>50797693
>Substantiating my claim
I'm thankful we're not comic-vine or one of those fucking sites and we can actually take each others words for relative worth

Also doesn't help that i read those book so long ago, But Black Box is still best AI

>>50797572
You don't get anyone to give a shit about Dark Mechanicum by giving them an OP character. You make people give a shit about Dark Mechanicum by giving them fluff and rules and units.

>>50797572
I bet he was an accident. They added a bunch of stuff without realizing how he was better than a primarch but about half the price. It doesnt make any sense. He is wildly undercosted and wildly over powered.

Should be 500+ and a LoW

>>50797736
I'd go calivers with footsloggers. 30'' range means they either don't have to move or only gotta move once.

>>50797770
This. Also, if you're going to make Mechanicum Primarch equivalents, can we have a loyalist or Ordo Reductor one, please? And can they be more focussed on buffing their armies than the Primarchs, but less good in a fight?

Scoria needs a nerf, but not too much of one. Either you want Primarchs to be untouchable monsters in melee and no-one else, or others need to at least TRY and fight them without breaking out the Grav-myrmidons and hoping.
Not all of us run Cybernetica MC spam cheese or 12 Medusa Ordo Reductor, give us a chance against your big boys with daddy issues.
(Not on about people like Angron or Fulgrim, they should be awesome duellists by anyone's standard).

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>>50797757
I've derailed my fair share of threads to know how to rail them back in.
I shall investigate what this "comic-vine" of yours is and why it's as bad as you say.
Also, having a companion AI in your self-sufficient armour...
Well, the closest we have in 40k is our tanks' machine spirits, huh?

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>>50797937

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>>50797188
>He keeps EW but loses his Vhodian "D-1 Str" scepter for a weapon that still does D3 wounds but on a 4+. How about now?
Maybe EW should be a Mechanicum upgrade.
I mean, the blacksmith legion has the blanket of EWhood, why can't we?!
Please let Belisarius be a Loyalist Reductor.
Or at least make Decima Invictus good for something other than suicide Haywire bomb.

>>50797981
because only animals and good smithing make EW
Smithing lvl 99.

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>>50797964
Tanks are the best universal soldier, in all batlefields.
Even underwater or in reentry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZIzreiseMk

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>>50798043
Do you have that Battlefield webm or gif where the tonk got blasted into the air to shoot down a plane?

>>50797920
>Scoria needs a nerf
Ideally he needs to be less killy. He's a walking armoury. His septre needs a nerf, just one wound per hit. That alone tones him down significantly.

Having 4 septre attacks that deal d3 AP2 auto wounds per HIT, plus his array for 2 S6 AP2 wounds with shred on top of a 3++, FnP, and EW is disgusting. Plus all his primarch esque army rules. For 275? Are you kidding me?

I vote:
-1 auto wound per septre hit instead of d3
-Remove EW or FnP
-Remove Cyber Familiar
-Increase by 100 or more points

His cost is way too low, by a county mile. As-is he should be horus level of points.

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>>50797937
Comic-Vine, SpaceBattles, Factpile, they're all cest pool places where people more often than not have versus matches with characters from every which universe. But they become super (perturabo levels) anal about citing facts and shit. Not that what they're doing is bad or anything is just turns extremely cancerous real fast. There is a reason why you should never compare comic characters and anime characters to any other type of source medium... Like any fan group, people ramp up their faction considerably, made worse when it seems like every faction in marvel has like a million different reality warping weapons... REEEEEE

Also anyone want to comment on this orbital assault list? Not really trying to be competitive for anything, We play 30k for fluff and fun... right>

>>50797104

Yeah, the tiny generic techpriest. Because that's what he was 10,000 years ago. Either that or a fetus

>>50798172
And my praetor has two combi weapons apparently... whoops

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>>50798136
I'm not sure, anon.

>>50798215
That's the one, Anon.
>the tonk still explodes when it hits the ground
What a waste of a good tonk.

>>50798215
Faith status: Had.

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>>50798172
>But they become super (perturabo levels) anal about citing facts and shit. Not that what they're doing is bad or anything is just turns extremely cancerous real fast
You can't see me but I'm crossing my arms and squinting at you right now, because I believe we are the Dodekatheon. But we do get cancerous at times, so I uncross my arms and shrug.

>>50798240
Explodes? It has become a crater, anon. It is one with the universe now, ascended it has.
A good tonk has become an even better crater.

>>50798265
Eh, usually start good, and some times you get actual sane debates and discussions, but grimly it does become cancer all to often. Stay strong brother from the IV

>>50798149
All of those at once? Most Primarchs already wound on a 2+, so that cuts his damage in half, removes the ability to not display to a random Paragon blade to a 50%, and then makes him cost like Mortarion while dying to any random Praetor quite often.
I'd be fine with losing FnP, a price hike and being in the Lord of War slot.

Is your objection to Mechanicum characters being able to beat Primarchs in general, or just with being able to beat Horus? Because many Magi are more experienced than said Primarchs. Not sure why you get all the fun.

>>50797104
>That tiny megaphone

God why is GW doing so good recently?

>>50798290
But there was still need for it in the physical realm.

>>50798401
The Omnissiah giveth, and the Omnissiah taketh away. Don't weep for it, anon. We're all born from the Motive Force and we shall all give it back one day.

>>50798177

GW said in the twitch he was the same 10000 years back.

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>>50798502
>GW said in the twitch he was the same 10000 years back.
I never doubted my pic was canon. That's Mechanicu(m)s for you.

>>50797104

Scoria is such a fucking meme ha ha i mean just shoot him

>>50798599
I wonder if Scoria's Entropic destroyer works on Cassian Dracos' Wrought by Vulkan. He's like the Mortarion of Walkers.

>>50798482
>>50798502
>>50798535
Some things really never change.

>>50798502
Wonder if he and Bjorn and others like them ever have a get-together and remember the good old days.

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How does /hhg/ feel on using these dark angel arms as MkII arms?
I need more dynamic arms for some models I am doing.

>>50798895
Dreadnoughts are some of the oldest warriors in the Imperium, and the codex says their wisdom and advice is sought after.
How come they have no HQ-like boost for the army and are reduced to mere tanks with legs and CCWs?

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>>50799056
>How come they have no HQ-like boost for the army and are reduced to mere tanks with legs and CCWs?
Because that wouldn't be balanced...wait since when did GW care about balance?

>>50798599
A whole thread of siggy babies crying about scoria and theory fagging shit up as usual and this anon finally gets it, well done shooty anon! it sounds like you actually play the game

>>50799056
If DoW was any indication, Dreads seem mostly delirious and in stupor until battle commences.

Kinda bad having a commander that's sleeping during downtime

>>50799117
thats how you should handle him yes, doesnt change the fact hes better than horus for 55% of his points and hes not a LoW. Thats insane.

>>50799137
Oh, true.
I mean, didn't Bjorn solved the whole Months of Shame thing after he adviced Grimnar?
Not to mention ye olde Dreads, back in 30k weren't as olde and were mostly lucid, like Magneric, who commanded the Kalkator Crusade and barely underwent dread inactivity cycles, if any.
On the other hand, there are some Post Traumatic Istvaan Disorder dreads like Cassian Dracos.

>>50799056
Not every warrior is a good leader. They can serve in battle and as dispensers of knowledge to new generations, but that doesn't mean they have properties worthy of leadership.

>>50799021
They're obviously not MK II but MK III trough V could be possible.

>>50799056
Dreadnoughts should have an area-of-effect vexilla. At least the venerable ones. Inspiring sight and all that.

>>50799327
I guess so, I was trying to represent that quality of them. And then there's these guys.
>1:25 At last I DIE!!
Poor guys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX2FjJm2_YA
>>50799431
At least venerable ones, I guess.

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>>50799431

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>>50799431
>They're obviously not MK II

Looks pretty MkII to me.

>but MK III

Except missing the whole big plate one one side that extends over the wrist joint.


>trough V could be possible.

But those are just MkVII style arms, same as on the MkVI.

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>>50799431
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>>50799431
..
*COUGH*

So after reading the latest short story about Typhon and Luther's Dark Angels, I can safely say Luther knew what was happening with the Death Guard yet he refused to act on it because of his own petty ambition which, while being justified in its beginning, does not excuse him leading astray half of his legion.
He was just as corrupt as the traitors, which is proved in him knowing daemons (t. Trials of Azrael) and would have led humanity down the exact same path as Horus.

>>50799618
What are you talking about? When that happens they're all traitors, but the DA simply suspect something is going on not with the DG, but with Typhon, and the scout never returns.
>He was just as corrupt as the traitors
He IS a traitor, did you expect him to be the good guy or something?

>>50798649
It's pretty clear that Entropic Destroyer works against Wrought By Vulkan. Entropic Destroyer doesn't do anything in regards to reducing or permanently degrading his armour and you're not rolling more than one dice for pen.

>At Istvaan V
>About to fully eradicate the Raven Guard
>'let them go, I have a plan to kill them off at a later time'
>RG are allowed to leave and then a bunch of saturday-morning villain tier plans are enacted.
>Fail to eliminate the Ravens miserably.
>Get punk'd by an autistic Donald Trump.
>'I wuz loyal all along... but not! XDDD lol so random XD!'

So, /hhg/ why was Alpharius so much of an incompetent imbecile?

>>50799907
Bad writing

>>50799907

Alpharius spent the entire Heresy dicking around because he could. I like to think he did everything because he could.

Alpharius knew no one would call him out because he could disassemble their entire warmachine in a matter of months and there is nothing that you could do. So he helped out, but mostly he fucked off and dicked around. Everyone kinda accepted that their were Alpha Legion spies among them.

Even the Alpha Legion.

Especially the Alpha Legion.

This account is also a lie.

>>50800003
>Bad writing

Literally the lament of the entire HH series.

So /hhg/ riddle me this. Say I wanted to field my merry band of freeblades and a few grunts. My Atrapos, Lancer, Paladin, Warden, and Crusader alongside some marine allies to fill out the points at 2.5k or 3k. The goal being I just want to field all my knights for the sake of it.

Could you with your current collection, or maybe with a few additions, be able to field a force against them to have a jolly time? Relics, alternate force orgs, the works are all fair game.

I want to field my knights because I want to see them all on the table. I just don't want to surprise anyone with it. I'm gauging to see, with proper knowledge before hand, if it's just a pipe dream.

>>50800257

Isn't the point of unbound armies to take whatever you want and not have to care about the force org?

>>50800304
I can field that army legally. That's not the question. The question boils down to "I want to field my 5 knights for fun, are those people out there that could take it on."

>>50800257
5 knights shouldn't be a massive problem. Many of the game types are objectives so your opponent should be okay. Maybe give a friendly warning before hand.

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>>50800364
I would concur on warning your opponent you are taking a knight house. Especially if your local meta you lads play isn't prepared for such an eventuality .

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>>50799907

>manage to steal the easy-bake marine goo and ability to make new primarchs

>proceeds to become the only legion that ends the heresy with more marines than they started

>survive 10,000 years outside of the eye of terror due to absurd reinforcement ability

Eh, Good trade

>>50800364
>Maybe give a friendly warning before hand.
That's what I'm saying. I don't want to just bust them out cold. I want to be like "Hey I would like to bring 5 knights, can you handle it?" And the point of my post here is to essentially collect data about it.

Also troop knights have objective secured

>>50800606
Likely not. Many people are new here considering that most WIP we get are marines, not tanks.

>>50800606
As long as you tell the person you're playing, there shouldn't be a problem.

>>50800551
You cracked the code. Thats why Girlyman and Rawbutt kill an 'Alpharius'. AL is making more.

But I'm surprised they don't make marine+ like the Raptors. The first gen ones were 2stronk.

>>50800661
>>50800686
I just want to field giant stompy robutts.

Well lets turn this around. /hhg/, you're facing 5 knights for what ever reason. How fight?

>>50800606

Just offer to allow him to count all special guns as meltaguns.

>>50800809

Anti-Tank spam. A Deredere or two and some drop-pod squads with meltas. Best way to kill a Knight is to hit it from two sides at once, so the Ion Field can only protect from half your shots.

>>50800822
Who can't take meltas as specials? I think you could just take meltas anyway. Unless you mean every single weapon that isnt a bolter?

>>50800854
Pods definitely do it if theres 1 or 1 but there is one knight rank that grants an interceptor bubble to other knights though. They form an L in a corner and lay waste to podders.

>>50800902

In that case a Sicaran Venator or similar long-ranged anti-tank is a good choice. Maybe an anti-tank Vindicator as well.

>>50800902
>or 1
or 2*

i'm so the good with the typer

>>50800930
Sicarans and/or a Cerberus are definitely good. The laser vindis definitely work. Three of my Knights fought those. The only thing that stood up to them was my Seneschal Atrapos thanks to his 3++ Ionic Flare Shield.

>>50800902

It means not everyone runs around with a list of 100% melta you stupid fuck, so you should just let them count their volkites or plasma or whatever as melta. I'm not going to rip the guns off all my squads or run out and buy 30 melta guns or magnetize a bunch of stupid shit just to fight your gay army. I'd rather just as easily not play you at all.

I wonder what's better: a podded elite Dread or 2 footslogging Dreads.
I mean I would rather have two but I don't know if footslogging is a death sentence to melee Dreads.
Even Leviathans are podded.

>>50800974
Wew chill. Im sure people play against questoris armies as long as they have that many points themselves.
I mean, it's a legal army, codex and all.

>>50800974
>you stupid fuck
Wooooow hostile. I thought you meant add the option to take meltaguns as specials; which confused me as any unit that can take a special can take a melta. So I didnt understand why you would add an option thats already there. So then I asked if you meant any alternate weapon you can take a melta intead, like a heavy support squad, which also didnt make sense.

I'm not telling anyone to rip anything off.

If you meant count current specials as meltaguns despite whats modeled, since nobody builds an army to fight knights from the ground up normally, you should have said so. That's a perfectly reasonable request. Instead, rather than clarifying, you decided to be an ass.

>>50800809
>you're facing 5 knights for what ever reason. How fight?
A Reaver and a Warhound /w full laser destroyers.

>>50800809
I field my own three stompy knights and the store owner's warhound

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>yfw Inferno finally comes out

>>50803343

>yfw you realize we're not getting a scan like we did for every other book.

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>>50803423
We'll get low quality photos taken with a phone, and arranged into an even lower quality pdf, Anon. Trust me on this.

>>50803453

But that will be the rules sections only. I want my fluff as well.

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>>50803463
Did you think that I wasn't including that too? In all honesty do we really need Inferno's fluff? The Burning of Prospero is such a bore and we know because we've seen it ten times before.

>>50803478

Isn't that the big selling point of a Black Book? the only thing that separates them from a red book and makes them worth over twice as much? Honestly, it's far easier to just get an Epub of the rulesbook then care for the black book if that's all you want out of it.

>>50803478
We want to see the canon version.

>>50803490
I'm not looking forward to Inferno because how will it be different than before. I can sum it all up for you right here.
>Space Wolves awooing as the burn a bunch of soon to be dusty nerds' books
>a bunch of nerds getting mad
>some tacky topknot wearing SoH watching it and recording the fight for his dad
>Arkan Land arguing that wolves on Earth had biological railguns
>Magnus getting wolfed so hard his spine breaks
>some toaster molesters who joined Leman's lynching mob only to kill some psychic beep boops
>and no psi-Titans
There.

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>>50803478
I WANT MY FW FLUFF!
Don't try to take this from me!

>>50803555
>>50803541
I'm not trying to take anything away. I guess I'm a little cynical because I know what will happen once that book comes out.

>>50803564

Well, it can't be any worse than most of the wildly inconsistent BL Fluff.

And it'll be interesting to see the reason in here. Those few days after MoM came out were pretty crazy.

>>50803549
>no psi-Titans
>Implying FW will miss a chance to make more superheavy walkers
Rest seems accurate.

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>>50803588
I begin to detest BL >:I

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>>50803588
I'm talking about the SW/1KSonfags, Anon. Inferno will open the doors to them.

>>50803605

They can't be worse than the IWfags and ALfags that make up at least half the community here.

>>50803549
>>50803600

I want subjugators and more wierd Slaanesh shit!

Xir is also the god of wastefull baroque-ness.

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>>50803615
They are just the most vocal.

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>>50803600
I guess you're right on the Psi-Titan thing. Didn't they have stats in Epic?
>>50803615
Some of those ALfags are memers and false flaggers though.

>>50803541

BL and FW are the same canon from different view points.

>>50803632
Not if the strawpoll is accurate.

It's not

>>50803549
>Of course it shoots acid, the knot was a storage sac. What else could it have been, a sexual implement? Don't be a pervert.
>>50803564
At least this will set matters right, including TS numbers. But yeah, I couldn't care less about failed-geneseed legions.

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>>50803768
>>50803775
Have trouble there?

>>50803786
I'm traveling, so I guess some sort of mistake happened.
>>50803615
Alongside hungry IW anon, I'm probably responsable for about 1/2 or 1/3 of IW memeing, including ALL text excerpts, and I never stepped on other legions' space.
I even called out asking where the other people were and only DA, IF and SoH/LW answered in reasonable numbers (RG didn't quite respond but we all knew they were there).
Not even BA, whom have nothing to fear because Sanguinius was best.

We may be vocal, but the others are fucking mute, that's what.

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>>50803844
>I'm traveling, so I guess some sort of mistake happened.
Good enough for me.

>>50803453
>>50803478

Good taste in Senrans.

>>50804014
She's my second favorite. She beats Yumi with that shade of green of her hair has.

>>50797188
He's fine as he is. His lack of mobility allows him to only be a deterrent against primarchs that would have charged in with no thought. If your primarch actually gets charged by scoria, then something has gone terribly wrong.

>>50799687
>What are you talking about? When that happens they're all traitors
They are traitors, that is true, but the common canon (inb4 canon) is that they weren't corrupted but had instead led astray by the corrupt leaders. So the degree of treachery varies, and their suspicion and aversion regarding the rumours about the Warmaster's forces further proves that.
>did you expect him to be the good guy or something?
I never said that. But Luther goes from a secessionist to the corrupt leader behind the scenes. If it was the former case, he could very well have been right - the Emperor's Imperium was not the be all-end all for humanity.

>>50804032

Hikage was the first that caught my eye, not really sure how I'd rank her since a lot of the Senrans appeal to me.

>>50794340
Retarded army drone kys

>>50804135
My list goes like this.
1: Murasaki
2.5: Hikage
2: Daidouji and Rin.
3: Yumi.

>>50804163

I quite like Miyabi and Daidouji, Murasaki is nice too.

>>50804173
>Miyabi
She's pretty okay.
>Daidouji
Normally muscle grills don't do it for me, but she's able to be the exception.

>>50804188

I think I like Miyabi for her short hair and the fact that the type of personality she has is cute in a girl. Daidouji is a combination of muscle and her outfit.

>>50795433
Well the short story Aegidan oath shows a marine alive still at the 3rd founding which is roughly 1000 after the Heresy
He has not had to fight in all that time and still looks old
The only loyalists who survived to 40k are dreads and warp storm lost and at least one who somehow survived in sus an but was physically a husk

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Kek chooses if traitor First or loyalist XXth

So i just got my first squad of 30k guys, the 10 mk III soldiers from the prospero set.

I was going to pain them iron hands, but are there any Slaaneshi guys that use this style of armor?
(Forgive my ignorance, i usually only make 40k tau allies and CSM cultists, marines arent my expertise )

>>50804210
Plastic heresy was a mistake.

>>50804210
Emperor's Children are the guys that are going to be slaaneshi (as you probably knew from your 40k) but at the point in the heresy we've got to they haven't fully/openly dedicated themselves to slaanesh, although they're pretty clearly damned. Possibly the best option would be word bearers who can summon daemons, you could just purely summon slaaneshi daemons or something. In my personal opinion, word bearers also look really good in Mk 3.

>>50804291
>t. Recast buyer

>>50804202
>loyalist XXth

But anon, the only XXth there is is loyalist, no need to clarify

>>50804210
This...seems like obvious bait.

>EC were big into mk4-6

>>50804945
And a big factor in the creation of MK V

>crotch studs

>>50803453
I imagine someone else will get to it first as I'm not going to the HHW, but I'm buying the black book when it comes out and I'm in this thread almost every day. I'm not guaranteeing quality, but will take requests.

>>50804992
>but will take requests.
Do 'Deformed Rabbit' that's our favourite.

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Does this look like it could be fun?

Iron Warriors, no ROW, 2000 points.

Centurion (fist, choomcharger, AA, refractor field) - 100

10 Tacs (fist, AA) - 150
Rhino (shrapnel HB) - 45

10 Tacs (fist, AA) - 150
Rhino (shrapnel HB) - 45

10 Tacs (fist, AA) - 150

8 Iron Havocs (8 missile launchers) - 300

2 Basilisks - 280

2 Laser Vindicators - 260

(Allied detachment)
Magos Reductor - 125

3 Thallax (1 plasma-fusil) - 145

2 Krios Tanks - 250

A few points:
>I know the medusa's great, but IW without basilisks wouldn't feel right to me.
>Centurion goes in the footslogging tac squad.
>The entire point of allying mechanicum was to bring some krios tanks, because I love that model (pic related).
>Magos goes in the same tac squad or the iron havoc squad. His main purpose is to pass on his Master of Destruction rule to a nearby laser vindicator, so there didn't seem any point buying him a gun. That MoD rule is the reason for taking reductor allies rather than a cheaper magos dominus as pure tax - wasn't interested in doing the standard almost-netlist of IW with reductor allies for more artillery. What a snowflake I am.
>On that note, have tried to make a slightly more mobile list than the standard gunline, with rhinos and krioses driving about.

>>50805056
I don't know that one, but you whistle it and I'll join in.

>>50804945
Not bait, just a new guy trying to figure out what he will enjoy.
>>50804338
I really like the Word Bears, and i was thinking of converting cultists for them, idk yet.

Thanks guys. I knew EC were Slaaneshi, i got a lot to think about now.

>>50804202
Obligatory Loyalist Iron Warriors comment.

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>>50800551
>>manage to steal the easy-bake marine goo and ability to make new primarchs
wait what?
when, how what?

>>50805985
>>50805985

Deliverance Lost

Corax got the original Primarch gene stuff from the emperor, specifically states that they could make new Primarchs if they wanted but refused to do so.

The alpha legionnaire infiltrators manage to steal the genestuff and give it to Omegon who then rings his hands at how many marines he can shit out.

He gives Horus a much weaker version of it which is what Fabius Bile has been working on for 10,000 years.

>>50806032
This seems to add unnecessarily layers of questions and complexities. Having said that, if omegon re-makes alphie, i will be a happy man, as i can forget dorn every did anything

>>50806032
If this current 40k plot advancement ends with the revelation that Omegon created worlds out in the darkness that are fully given over to the manufacture and training of Alpha Legion, and he returns as one of the loyalist Primarchs at the head of a full (like 30k-era sized) Legion I swear to goodness you will be able to see my boner from space.

>>50806081

dan Abnett strongly hinted that Omegon is still around in 40k and will sometimes work alongside the inquisition. In that particular case he was acting quite loyalist and caused a noise marine to turn around and flee

>>50799557
>2 handed chainsword
>it have 2 left hands

>>50806063
>This seems to add unnecessarily layers of questions and complexities.

Black Library? No way!

>>50806081
If Omegon comes storming out of the Outer Darkness at the head of a fleet carrying 250,000 marines then:
A) The High Lords of Terra will all die of a massive heart attack, allowing the re-awakened Primarchs to take their place.
B) Once Omegon turns out to be loyal, Abaddon will shit his pants in more colours than even Nurgle thought possible, and Chaos will lose, again.

Doesn't even sound too impossible to be honest...

>>50806156

Until Alpharius begins ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL and Hydra Bowl 2 starts.

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>>50806156
>>50806081
>250 000 Loyalist Alpha Marines led by Omegon arrive at Cadia.
>Abaddon's face when he finds out Creed outflanked a whole 30k legion this time.

>>50806207
>>50806202
>>50806156
>>50806148
>>50806123
>>50806081
Even by BL's low standards, AL fluff is such an absolute clusterfuck. I swear they've been playing MGS or something.
>so this dude is the clone of the main leader guy but he think he's the real leader when actually this other dude is
>oh and his best friend is being possessed by his evil identical twin who is working against him

>>50806123
I remember something about an Alpha marine removing his helmet and the enemy then running away. I can't believe that was really "Alpharius" that time. Then again, don't they all look pretty much the same?
The entire Alpha Legion is sealed in the Omega Vault final chamber. That's why they cannot be found in the Eye of Terror

>>50806301
>don't they all look pretty much the same

In "Legion" and "Praetorian of Dorn" it's explained that they try their very best to look the same but to the highly trained eye their slight variations in height, bearing, mannerisms, etc. are visible. It's not a big list of people who can catch them out mind you, John Grammaticus is like 30k years old and Dorn is a demigod.

The real plot twist is that Alpharius and Omegon are truly dead and the alpha legionn have been slaves to chaos for over ten millennia.
Alpharius's plan was to make everyone think the AL was actually relevant even after his death.

>>50806301

Pretty much. It's not spelled out but think about it: why would a noise marine run in fear from an ordinary alpha legionnaire?

>>50806301

Of course, "Janus" was the one who set it up in the first place :^)

>>50806363

Funny because that's literally what happened to the Imperial fists in M32

>>50806403
>why would a noise marine run in fear from an ordinary alpha legionnaire?
It looked like his mother

>>50804151
Consider suicide

>>50803453
if it's for sale at the weekender I'll be taking photos, hopefully of a better quality than this February

>>50806295
>>so this dude is the clone of the main leader guy but he think he's the real leader when actually this other dude is
WOHOOOOOOOO.jpeg
Come on, man, that's standard procedure. Memes aside, I love the whole de-centered AL command chain. That everybody can carry the plan to an end on their own.
Also, we've always known marines can gain info and memories by eating, si blame the original fluff for that one.

>>50806403
The Imperial Fists are dead. Long live the Fists Exemplar!
>>50806419
>Not taking the oportunity to grind her up and snort her
You aren't Noisy enough

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Is it alright for my custom chapter of Word Bearers to be just be around 100 in strength? Rather than the larger 500-1000 numbers of other companies. My reason is because my collection will have 120 or so marines (in their respective roles). My justification is the Chapter is special snowflakey in the manner of them being drawn from a relatively small but highly eugenic population of warrior-reavers from Colchis.

The Chapter is essentially an ethnicity in space, with at the break of the Heresy a growing number of foreign but culturally similar supplicants from similar tribes on primitive planets they brought to compliance.

>>50806709
Custom chapter companies to be around 100 in strength*

wew

>>50806709
>>50806720

It could be some elit cadre of Termies or Veterans.

I would na,e them differently though, sth sth demi chapter maybe to show they are speshul.

>>50806523
Thanks man, people like you deserve much more praise!

>>50794298
If Saul, Kiron and Rylanor would be heartbroken and fall into despair if they saw modern Emperor's Children.

So far into corruption, all that was great about them forgotten...

You can say that about all the Traitor Legions. They were better when they were still loyalists.

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>>50806673
>The Imperial Fists are dead. Long live the Imperial Fists!

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>>50807280

but we are still loyalists

>>50806709
It's ok. The IW, a big legion, could have Grand companies as small as 400, and the SoH could have companies as small as 30 dudes, it's in HH1
>The Chapter is essentially an ethnicity in space
So, /pol/ is WBs?

>>50807309
But you are totally dead. For real. No more I am Alpharius. Dorn slew you.

>>50804202
I say neither

>>50807336

theres another one.


but seriously imperial records have the burning of Prospero in meticulous detail but nobody ever remembered that Dorn killed alpharius in the Sol system?

>>50804202
>choosing a loyalty as meme army
play what ever loyalty as the moment describes

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>>50804202

Orphans of betrayal Alpha Legion with tricked out sergeants and turbo praetor for that sweet sweet 4+ FnP

>>50807444
Aaay. What?
Winner winner, I am Alpharius dinner.

>>50807465

Orphans of betrayal is a rite of war for loyalists from traitor legions.

It's primary benefit is that characters get a 4+ FnP in challenges.

This goes pretty well with AL praetors because they can stack a power dagger with their paragon blade and digi lasers to get 7 attacks on the charge

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>>50807444
praise kek

>>50807424
The records are held in Databank J_hn _r__ch'_ _ss.

>>50807499
>This goes pretty well with AL praetors because they can stack a power dagger with their paragon blade and digi lasers to get 7 attacks on the charge
You know all Praetors can get 7 attacks on the charge, and that it's better achieved in that particular case through Paragon + THnammer/Fist rather than a mere power dagger, right?
It is cheaper, but 7*(1/2)*(2/3)*(1/2) = 7/6, barely a single wound, and then the Power fist swings back, ignoring FnP unless he's un a bike.

It's great for sgts and termie characters, though

>>50807504

>Dan Abnetts newest Ollanius Pius short story has the alpha legion chasing Ollanius through the warp trying to assassinate him during his Dr Who adventure in the DAoT

Goty

>>50807591

The advantage of the Hq power dagger is primarily in the 20 less points you spend on your praetor.

Are TH praetors that common where you play?

>>50807598
I like to imagine Abnett keeps trying to publish entirely non-HH sci-fi at this point, but Laurie keeps kidnapping him and changing the names of his characters.

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>>50807335
The Chapter are Arab-inspired, famalam. Though maybe I'll make em pan-Asia Minor culturally, classical pre-Islamic Persia and other Iranian ethnicities like Scythians.

I'm very /pol/-tier, but it isn't some political insertion. I just like the idea of tribalistic marines whose culture they've brought with them to spehss, and contrasts them to other Word Bearers

Also it's cool to imagine a Chapter filled with cousins, uncles and great-great variants of those two.

>>50807424
> nobody ever remembered that Dorn killed alpharius in the Sol system

The reasoning makes absolutely no sense, but Dorn tells the Fists present that no one will ever speak of it or record it in history or anything. He wants Alpharius' death to go unrecorded. It makes literally no sense, imagine the morale boost from knowing that a Traitor Primarch is dead too?

>>50807672
Wait. I think I've seen you before. Didn't you post a pastepin link with the fluff about your dudes here before?

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>>50807280
That's why I'm organizing my EC as a loyalist force. For the few Millennials that weren't present at Istvaan, the betrayal would be the ultimate insult to what the Emperor's Children stand/stood for.

>>50807667

He apparently likes writing for 40k but he stopped during the worst parts of the Kirby crackdown where they really wanted to dictate what he could write.

Now that's over he hopefully will return and finish up the alpha legion storyline he started. His weird gimmicks add a lot to the baroque nature of the universe and I love his depictions of mortal humans.

The stuff he starts only shits the bed when someone incompetent tries to follow it. The cabal stuff was neat in Legion and got dumb after until someone finally had the balls to outright say that the AL humped and dumped the Cabal after getting what they wanted.

>>50807757

Incompetent writer tries an incompetent retcon

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>>50807794
Yep

I still haven't started on building and painting them

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>>50807810
I knew something felt familiar.

>>50807800
So like the Knights Repentant, but without time-travelling warp shenanigans?

Nice.

>>50803478
>In all honesty do we really need Inferno's fluff?
Considering its a rewrite of it, yes. Also I want to know more about the 1ksons legion so I know where to insert M Y D U D E S as appropriately as possible.

>>50805129
It is not a bad list, I just worry that it is stretched a little thin for 2k. You have a little bit of everything, however I just worry that you may not have enough of any particular thing.

I would personally drop the basilisk for something a little tougher like a sicaran, however you probably don't want to drop it due to your stated desire for IW artillery.

I am actually working on a similar list (IW/Reductor without mass artillery) But it is going to be around 3k+ so maybe I just don't have much experience with lists under that size

>>50808511
Can't wait for some gorgeous tsons emblem art.

>>50808538
Can't wait for bluhd rehvens.
Or Custodian K'Thon.

>>50808583

I still have a book to go before I get my legion shit. :(

>>50803478
Honestly the Forge World rulebooks fluff is miles ahead of the Black Library tellings and re-tellings. There's a good change we'll get some great stories about how the Burning played out, and we might even get hints or leads about the TS that were sent away by Magnus.

Does anyone know if Inferno includes any other warzones besides Prospero? Any chance of it including Alaxxes (since we'll have AL and SW then), or the War in the Webway?

>>50808602
I want Dark Angels fluff.

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>>50808615
While that's true I'm just not ready for the influx of corgis and dust bunnies. I could just post Senrans to counter it but I think that would get old.

>>50808615

It'll have the fall of Zhao-Arkkad.

>>50808630
Brother!
>>50808675
Isn't that the Forge World that helped with the Sons?

>>50808630
BAfag here. I'm honestly pretty okay with the Signus Campaign. I hope some of the names get changed though, Ragefire was a dumb fucking name.

I would bet that demons are going to get introduced properly in the next book also.

What did DA do besides nuke their home world during the heresy? I remember them fucking up night lords.

>>50808675
Didn't someone say Xana has something do with it? Trying to jack their tech while they are busy fighting loyalists.

>>50808693

Yes, it's where they were experimenting with Psychically-controlled Automata, so the Fabricator General sent the Legio Mortis and forces from Xana to burn the Forgeworld to ashes.

>>50808713

Yes Xanite Automata and House Malinax were involved.

>>50808723
>fabricator general
>sending xana

Uh. Shouldn't work like that. Maybe they were working together on tech heresy at that point.

>Scoria and Kelbor-Hal working together

>>50808703
>What did DA do besides nuke their home world during the heresy?
Lynched the Night Lords and broke them into six warbands. Got banned from Macragge because of Curze. After that who knows? All that is known that during the Siege they got together with the Wolves and Ultras to lynch the Traitors at Terra and Horus got worried.

>>50808703
Yes, Thramas baited the DA long. Won't Sygnus be covered in Book 9 of the Angels, ft WS?
Also, ragefire, kek.
>>50808693
Eh, I'm IW but I want DA Knights. But at least the Inferno will set matters right.

>>50808767
Scoria broke out of jail after Prospero.

>>50807757
Maybe Dorn knows about Omegon and doesn't want to deal with the headache of declaring a Primarch dead only to have an identical Primarch show up and do things.

How's he even going to justify it? "Oh yeah, I killed Alpharius, but there's another identical Alpharius that nobody knew about all along. Trust me."?

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>>50808829
By breaking Alpharius's corpse with him?

>>50808809
Everything happened after Prospero, even Istvaan III.
Didn't Scoria broke out after Endryd and the loyalists attacked Xana II?

>>50808852
Yep. Probably put himself back together piece by piece.

>>50808848
S c r i m s h a w
t h e
b o n e s

>>50808876
Literally, yes.
But what does that have to do with that adult vid?

>>50808809
Still, seems odd that they would take orders from Mars. That's one of the major points of Xana.

I suppose it's possible that Xana knew it could only gain from ransacking a rival forgeworld's tech.

>>50808878
Probably should bring back the Pale Spear. Hopefully Omegon can't poof to his side.
>>50808899
>But what does that have to do with that adult vid?
I forgot to add pic unrelated.
>>50808901
It came from Hal and maybe they wanted to look good for the boss, and loot some tech?

>>50808920
Looting tech make sense. Maybe they wanted to test some new weapons on their peers.

They never have been afraid to tell Hal to fuck off though. He once asked for their history records and they flat out denied him. One of the perks of being sovereign.

>>50808920
>Probably should bring back the Pale Spear.
What's that chapter that has "Dorn's Spear"?
>Haar
He disguised as some SoH niggerddon

>>50808950
>Looting tech make sense. Maybe they wanted to test some new weapons on their peers.
Maybe it was to look for Hal, loot, and to test their shootas out.
>>50808995
>What's that chapter that has "Dorn's Spear"?
The Soul Drinkers.

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>‘The galaxy is changing, Roboute. It is turning upside down. Up will be down, and down will be up.
>Our father will be tossed out of his throne.
>He will fall down, and no one will put him back together again.’
>‘Lorgar, you–’

Jesus fucking CHRIST Abnett...

>>50809093
Context?

>>50809093
>"Now, Horus, you are truly the Horus Rising™"
>~t. Erebus

>>50809108

Lorgar talking to Rowboat on the cusp of the Battle of Calth.

>>50809146
That's actual dialogue? A human being wrote that? That's supposed to be the best that a superhuman intelligence can say in such a situation?

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What did Dorn mean by this?

>>50809093
But if he falls down, wouldnt he be ascending upwards, with up being down?

>>50809166
I've seen enough fan fiction to know where this is going...

>>50809166
Reminder that Dorn is best spacedad.

>>50809188
>Dorn, I...

>>50809164
The best is yet to come, friendo:

>‘Either you’re insane, or the galaxy has gone mad,’ he says with remarkable steadiness. ‘Whichever, I am coming for you, and I will put you and your heathen killers down. Excommunicate Traitoris. You will not have any opportunity to reflect upon the monstrosity of this crime.’
>‘Oh, Roboute, I can always rely on you to sound like a giant pompous arsehole. Come and get me. We’ll see who burns first.’

Ban Abnett from writing Primarch and intelligent Astartes dialogue, seriously, please stop this monster

>>50809093
>"When I use a word," the Emperor said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
>"The question is," said Lorgar, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
>"The question is," said the Emperor, "which is to be master—that's all."
Deepest Lore, anon.

>>50809164
>superhuman intelligence
>Lorgar

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>>50809214

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>senrans in my hhg

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>>50809242

>>50809312
How the fuck does that stay on?

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>>50809323

Don't you have Cadia to defend, loyalist?

>>50809191
>You're no son of mine, Sigismund!
Sure, whatever you say.

>>50809208
Hey, the other one was dumb, but I liked this one. He called him traitor in High Gothic, that's nice.

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>>50809208
>that lorgar dialogue

>>50809393
Was kinda pointing toward the stupid Guardsman-tier cursing which Abnett likes to have Primarchs use, which excepting maybe Angron I can't imagine such baseborn slurs being uttered by the universe's greatest minds ever in existence bar big E.

>>50809355
Don't disobey the space dad! Sigismund got off lightly as he was favoured. Alpharius got full spacedad punishment.

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>>50809337
nah Templar bros got it covered im sure

>>50803844
I never post because all I ever get is "Have faith, Word Bearer". You get pretty sick of seeing the same meme that's been said two thousand times, so you just say fuck it and stop.

>BL is literally ruining horus heresy
>40k is getting better by the day

I dont know what to believe in anymore

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>>50809437
tfw gonna have a Lorgar daemon primarch model to kill ultraweenies with

>>50809119
>Incredible that a civilian survived the word bearer's attack. Tell me, what is your name?
>I am called mark, my lord.
>It is an honour to meet you, Mark Of Calth.
Really McNeil? Really?

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>>50809475
when guillimans 40k rules come out will you need to field an angron to save lorgar when he gets his shit kicked in?

>>50809312
Brother!
>>50809331
No clue, Anon.

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>>50809507
Lorgar is the stronkest Daemon Primarch tho little bluebaby

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BEST primarch coming through!

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>>50809453
implying most posters here even have HH armies let alone committed enough to rep a legion with actual models and or effort. It is clear from each thread how little the loudest posters actually play.

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>>50809472
Why do you choose to believe BL's fluff? Follow FW's, whom gives no fucks about it. That's why I look to it for Nikea and Prospero. And also, I simply like FW's writing style, just like the IA's.
>>50809453
You should get memes of your own, man.
Powerful memes to ward against he faithless.
>>50809504
>>It is an honour to meet you, Mark Of Calth.
True Space Dad.

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>>50809558
>playing games
>not just being a lore sperg who memorizes tons of shitty Z list novels and spends inordinate amount of cash on FW models just to paint for your lore fetish and to display them

>>50809558
Just realized that Spartan has regular Rhino/Land Raider tracks instead of the old MkI style ones found on the FW Spartan and Proteus.

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>>50809543
>>50809355
>>50809191

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>>50809526
if lorgar is so strong why did he lose every primarch fight?

>posts picture of word bearers losing
what did he mean by this?

>>50809686
He fought as a Daemon Primarch? I thought he was merely Awakened by his masters (aayaayaaayyy), that he ascended only after the Heresy and has locked himself in his tower.

>>50809753
Yeah I also thought that Lorgar has spend all his time as a daemon prince on his knees.

Take that as you will.

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>>50809686
Lorgar's power peaks at the end of the Heresy, he goes from 0 to hero, meanwhile Guilli is a brainless sissy retard vegetable after being owned by a literal faggot snake dildo primarch

if he can't beat a crossdressing reptile, how could he hope to defeat the chosen son of chaos?

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>>50809610
>memorizes tons of shitty Z list novels and spends inordinate amount of cash on FW models just to paint for your lore

come on anon we both know most people have enough trouble even assembling models let along painting them. I truly believe less than 5% of posters in these threads have ever played a HH game with both sides fully painted on a nice table + decent amount of terrain.

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>>50809824
>chaos priamchs need deamonhood to beat loyalist priamchs

>deamon parimachs cant even beat regular space marines

>>50809824
But guilliman did punch the shit out of lorgar after he got superpowered. Or is "able to destroy a warhound with a single mind bullet" not lorgar's full power?

>>50809208
Wait, so the atheist threatened to excommunicate the preacher?

It's almost poetry...

>>50809899
>plotarmour blueby can't spell

PRACTICAL: your primarch is gay lmoa