40k general

First for the list builder is in the OP.

Are you ready to hear my wisdom, /tg/?

If a Stormsurge uses its pylons to double-fire it cannot move for any reason. Tank Shock forces you to move, either voluntarily or after failing a morale check and breaking, or be removed as a casualty. And that is how you one-shot a Stormsurge. You're welcome.

>>50775049
Doesn't matter, will still have 8 people ask.

>>50775139
>can't tell if he's being cheeky because of the sub-edition or he actually thinks he's imparting new information to anyone

Need to cut 110 pts from my Deathwatch list

Command

Watch Master (195pts) [Melta Bombs, The Osseus Key]

Core

Strategium Command Team (520pts)
Aquila Kill Team
Corvus Blackstar [Extra Armour, Four Stormstrike Missles, Infernum Halo Launcher, Locator Beacon, Twin Linked Assault Cannon]
Terminator [Assault Cannon, Power Fist]
Veterans
Black Shield [Chainsword, Power Weapon]
Veteran [Boltgun, Deathwatch Shotgun]
Veteran [Boltgun, Deathwatch Shotgun]
Veteran [Boltgun, Deathwatch Shotgun]
Watch Sergeant [Boltgun, Xenophase Blade]
Chaplain [Boltgun]

Watch Company (1110pts) [Watch Captain Artemis]
Aquila Kill Team
Terminator [Cyclone Missle Launcher, Power Fist, Storm Bolter]
Veterans
Veteran [Chainsword, Stalker Pattern Bolter]
Veteran [Chainsword, Stalker Pattern Bolter]
Veteran [Chainsword, Stalker Pattern Bolter]
Veteran [Chainsword, Stalker Pattern Bolter]
Watch Sergeant [Chainsword, Stalker Pattern Bolter]
Aquila Kill Team
Terminator [Chainfist, Heavy Flamer]
Veterans
Veteran [Chainsword, Comb-melta]
Veteran [Chainsword, Comb-melta]
Veteran with Heavy Weapon [Chainsword, Deathwatch Frag Cannon]
Veteran with Heavy Weapon [Chainsword, Deathwatch Frag Cannon]
Watch Sergeant [Comb-melta, Power Weapon]
Aquila Kill Team
Librarian [Mastery Level 2]
Power Armour [Boltgun, Force Sword]
Terminator [Heavy Flamer, Power Fist with Auxilliary Meltagun]
Veterans
Veteran [Boltgun, Chainsword]
Veteran [Boltgun, Chainsword]
Veteran with Heavy Weapon [Chainsword, Infernus Heavy Bolter]
Veteran with Heavy Weapon [Chainsword, Infernus Heavy Bolter]
Watch Sergeant [Boltgun, Chainsword]
Aquila Kill Team
Terminator [Cyclone Missle Launcher, Power Fist, Storm Bolter]
Veterans
Veteran [Chainsword, Stalker Pattern Bolter]
Veteran [Chainsword, Stalker Pattern Bolter]
Veteran [Chainsword, Stalker Pattern Bolter]
Veteran [Chainsword, Stalker Pattern Bolter]
Watch Sergeant [Chainsword, Stalker Pattern Bolter]
Auxiliary

Ancient (135pts) [Venerable Dreadnought Nihilus]

>>50775166
Nigga I ain't reading that shit, learn to format first.

>>50775166

F O R M A T T I NG

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>>50775166
There is no excuse for not using the list builder
On another note:

How do i maximise the use of my Destoyer Lord anons?

>>50775139
Doesn't work. It would take D3 instead.

>>50770787
I've been thinking of one to write into White Dwarf.

I was going to write

>Dear White Dwarf, in the [insert book I forget that mentions the fleet going to the Damocles Gulf] says that several Orders of Sister of Battle are going to the Damocles gulf to help fight the Tau. Yet they were not mentioned in Mont'ka or Kauyon. Are they still there? If they're there, what are they up to? Have they reached their deployment zone yet?"


Thoughts? I think it was the BRB which mentions the huge crusade fleet.

Anyway I posted it in last thread but deleted it as it was autosaged. Only way I can think of doing it without outright asking them.

>>50775205
>Flying monstrous creatures aren't considered monstrous creatures

What's the problem with imperial agents?

I mean, besides half the factions literally just being imperial guard squad upgrades turned into armies on their own.

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Alright, I took all the advice to heart, and I changed my list a bit. Thats what Im currently getting. I think I`ll add a Russ Executioner to deal with TEQs, a platoon or two and a Wyvern or a Basilisk, cause I love those damned things. So, will that work out?

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>>50775033
Reposting from earlier thread. There's an 1850 competitive scene around here and I'd like to try to join in on the fun with at least a decent chance at having a good game.

Emperor's Wrath Formation and also missing Jacobus. Hydras can be replaced by Wyverns if the enemy has no flyers.

>>50775202
ListBuilder doesn't have Sisters of Battle in it yet, so I have to use BattleScribe or pen/paper. Speaking of, re-posting my list here for critique. Think I'm close to a build-draft at the very least.

Combined Arms Detachment
Canoness
[Storm Bolter, Chainsword, Rosarius, The Litanies of Faith]
100pts

(2 squads)
Battle Sister Squad
[7x Battle Sister, Battle Sister with Heavy Flamer, Battle Sister with Flamer]
Veteran Sister Superior [Bolt Pistol, Combi-Melta]
Immolator [Twin-Linked Heavy Flamer, Loud Hailer]
177pts each

(2 squads)
Dominion Squad
[Dominion, 4x Dominion with Meltagun]
Dominion Superior [Bolt Pistol, Combi-Melta]
Immolator [Twin-Linked Multi-Melta, Loud Hailer]
185pts each

Exorcist
[Storm Bolter, Loud Hailer]
140pts

Exorcist
[Storm Bolter, Loud Hailer]
140pts

Retributor Squad
[4x Retributor with Heavy Bolter]
Veteran Retributor Superior [Bolt Pistol, Combi-melta]
120pts

Combined Arms Detachment
Militarum Tempestus Command Squad
[4x Tempestus Scion w/ Plasma Gun] Tempestor Prime [Close Combat Weapon, Hot-shot Laspistol]
145pts

(3 squads)
Militarum Tempestus Scions
[2x Tempestus Scion, 2x Tempestus Scion w/ Plasmagun]
Tempestor [Close Combat Weapon, Plasma pistol]
115pts each

Valkyrie Squadron
[2x Multiple Rocket Pods, Multi-laser]
135pts

1849/1850pts

>>50775258
you can still format better

like the retributor squad could just be

Retributors - 120
4x Heavy Bolter
Combi melta

btw that loadout is shit and makes no sense

>>50775246
Seems fine.

>>50775258
Even my HH army is formatted better than this
Come on anon

--- Raven Guard - 2500pts ---
- Decapitation Strike -
>HQ
Forge Lord: Rad Grenades, Jump pack, Cyber Familiar, Power Axe, Field - 155

>Troops
10x Legion Tactical Squad: Artificer - 135
[Rhino - 35]
10x Legion Tactical Squad: Artificer - 135
[Rhino - 35]
5x Support Squad: 5x Melta, Artificer - 185
[Drop Pod - 35]

>Elites
10x Vet Tactical Squad: 2x Melta, Artificer, Melta Bombs - 225
[Drop Pod - 35]
7x Mor Deythan: 5x Combi-Flamers, 2x Melta, Artificer - 250
[Rhino - 35]

>Fast Attack
10x Dark Fury - 325
3x Javelin Speeders: 6x HK Missiles, 3x MM - 225

>Heavy Support
Deredeo: Aiolos ML, Ceramite - 240

>Lord of War
Corax - 450
2500/2500pts

>>50775214
>Dear Reader, good question! The several Orders of Sister of Battle were late to the fight, but made it to Damocles gulf just in time for the AdMech to unleash their firewall. Unfortunately all the Sisters of Battle were caught in the middle and there were no survivors.

>all these lists

I remember when List Threads used to be a thing. Also, the fact the List Builder is in OP makes the whole writing down thing bullshit. Yeah yeah "muh points are wrong", at least it looks cleaner.

sup /tg/

I found the old Chapter Approved vehicle design rules and made a Land Speeder Storm variant that carries normal Marines.

>Land Speeder Thunder - 80 points
>Fast Skimmer
>AV 10 all around
>Heavy Flamer
>5 transport capacity

Balanced?

If I drop the Heavy Flamer and Fast it goes down to 55.

>>50775300
Well, seeing as that guy asked about SoS and Custodes and got told "We may see them again soon..." or something when asking about them in 40k and then in WoM the end of the book has a picture of SoS and something about a request for them to go fight on Cadia or some shit.

Who knows. We might get something if that guy asks that question.

But if they were all killed, that's not all the SoB.

>>50775324
>astra militarum vehicles sub-sub-edition

>>50775245
I'm just disappointed with it. Expected actual balance changes and updates instead of them just straight adding meh formations and calling it a day.

>>50775245

Basically:
>>50775351


But it also just seems like such a fucking hackjob. They really did not put any effort into it.

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What games have you had this week?

Blood Angels vs IG and Tau, 2000pts. Allied victory on points, in the face of BA about to wipe out EVERYONE.

>>50775326
>80 points for AV10 with 5 transport
maybe good for orks, that's about it.

>>50775282
It was more of a 'well I gotta give her something, right?' But I get what you mean. Probably a storm bolter would do better. Is this any better? I didn't think it was that cluttery to begin with, but it's still a big ol wall of text I guess.

Combined Arms Detachment
Canoness
[Storm Bolter, Chainsword, Rosarius, The Litanies of Faith]
100pts

2x Battle Sister Squad
[7x Battle Sister, Heavy Flamer, Flamer
Veteran Sister Superior [Combi-Melta]
Immolator [Twin-Linked Heavy Flamer, Loud Hailer]
177pts each

2x Dominion Squad
[Meltagun]
Dominion Superior [Combi-Melta]
Immolator [Twin-Linked Multi-Melta, Loud Hailer]
185pts each

2x Exorcist
[Storm Bolter, Loud Hailer]
140pts

Retributor Squad
[4x Heavy Bolter]
Veteran Retributor Superior [Storm Bolter]
115pts

Combined Arms Detachment
Militarum Tempestus Command Squad
[4x Plasma Gun]
145pts

3x Militarum Tempestus Scions
[2x Plasmagun, 2x Scion]
Tempestor [Plasma pistol]
115pts each

Valkyrie Squadron
[2x Multiple Rocket Pods, Multi-laser]
135pts

1844/1850pts

>>50775381
Last game I had I almost tabled the IG player but lost by 1 victory point.
I would have at least tied if my ironclad hadn't fumbled its charge roll into the guy's command squad

>>50775246
>playing melta-vets on 500pts
You scum.

I want to play badly right now...but...FLGS and the GW are closed today. FLGS doesn't play till Thursday, and GW doesn't open till Wednesday. What can I do?

>>50775450
play dawn of war, drink hot cocoa, cry

>>50775410
Why do your battle sister squads have heavy flamer immolators they don't fit in?

And don't you need an elites, or did I read my book wrong?

>>50775205
It has been FAQ'd to work

>>50775381
I played an 1850 game the other day. My Stormlance Demi + Coteaz + Scions vs. a full Deathwing list (I let him deepstrike turn one).

He actually gave me a serious run for my money on objectives despite the massive amounts of grav, plasma and melta in my list. I should've told him to pick another list honestly, but he said he'd face me with some superheavies next time (which should be fun).

Highlight of the game on my side was having my tac squad punch a lone Terminator to death. He slaughtered my bike Command squad and all the Scions. Eventually he conceded, even though I think we were pretty close on objectives (it would've come down to who killed who in the next combat).

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>>50775258
First mistake 7 girls do not fit inside the Immolator.

It can only transport 6 girls or 5 plus their Big Cow or Pimp.

Troops:
Solid squad, either go for Veteran or Loud Hailer, if you have points left go for both.
Why have the Heavy Flamer on the Immolator? TL-MM is generally a better idea.
Remember the 7 girl problem.

Fast Attack:
Good good.

Heavy:
Not sure about the Loud Hailers, take them if you have points to spare.

Retribution squad, maybe just give the Superior a Storm Bolter, for extra Dakka. Not a fan of the Veteran, but meh.

I love the Scions with suicidal plasmas.

Troops and Fast general rule of thumb is:

Heavy+Special weapon > Combi Weapon for superior > Veteran > Extra bodies.

Seraphim if deep striking you can only get 8 otherwise the footprint will screw you over. Hand Flamer, never a Superior/Veteran unless you run Celestin

For transports is Dozer Blade > Loud Hailer > Storm Bolter

Exorcist Storm Bolter > Loud Hailer, Dozer Blade.

>>50775381
Admech vs. CSM.
Ended in a 7:7 tie.
Highlights were my Infiltrators throwing themselves at the Command Squad and managing a mutual kill at I4 when the Khorne Lord with Axe of Blind Fury wiped all 5 just as the taser attacks wiped him and his Chosen.
I got SO many taser 6s, I rolled about twice as many To Wound as I did To Hit. I should have taken a pic of the dice, it was insane.
Then my lone Sydonian Dragoon killed two Predators and then tarpitted a squad of CSM and a unit of possessed for about two straight turns, killing 3 Marines and 3 Posessed.


Looking forward to getting a Knight Warden and a bunch of hobby stuff for Xmas, I still need cork for bases, superglue, greenstuff and some paints.

Is the GW leadbelcher or Zandri Dust spray any good, and is there an identical and better and/or cheaper version from another company? I assume yes.

>>50775470
Proof?

>>50775535
Go look at the fucking FAQ on the GW website.

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This is my first army list. I tried to avoid crutch cheesy bullshit, but still want it to be decent. How's it looking?

>>50775567
burden of proof is on you

>>50775535
proof is the FAQ

also this wisdom is fucking old as shit because it came from the original FAQ half a year ago

ITC ignores this and uses D3 wounds instead

good players ignore this by not fucking using anchors[/spoilers]

>>50775578
>spoonfeed me for i am babby

>>50775578
Not that guy, but to be fair the FAQ is right on their website. They just can't be arsed to link it to someone who's being a faggot about it.

>>50775580
They should just remove the anchor rule and reduce the point cost of stormsurge by 10-20p desu.

>>50775578
You're the one who asked for proof. We told you where it is. Go find it.

>>50775567
Where is the faq on the gw website. I found them on bols, but all I can find is the errata on gw, and there's not even an errata for Tau (or Eldar) listed there

>>50775593
>>50775592
I'm not even that guy I'm just too lazy to go to the website because I'm comfy watching youtube and this thread

>>50775601
I'm not even that guy (thanks for the you)

>>50775610
No FAQ for you then.

>>50775610

I'm that guy. I regret nothing.

>>50775609
its on the 40k facebook page in the photos

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I present you now the most idiotic list I'm running tomorrow against Necrons. Just to see how bad of a list I can go in order for him to win.

HQ:
Canoness
[Bolt Pistol, Chainsword, Rosarius]
80 pts

Troops:
2x Battle Sister Squad 145 pts each (290 pts):
[2x Bolter, Heavy Flamer, Flamer, Combi-Flamer]
Immolator TL-MM

Heavy Support (480pts) +
3x 2x Penitent Engines (Yes 6 angry chickens)

HQ:
Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor
[Bolt Pistol, Force Sword, Power Armour, Psyker (Mastery Level 1)]
63 pts

Elites:
Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband (80pts)
1x Psyker, 2x Acolytes with Bolter
Chimera
[Heavy Bolter, Heavy Bolter, Psybolt Ammunition]

>>50775609
Scroll the the bottom of the front page and click the "rules errata" link.

>>50775625
thanks for feeding me all the (you)'s

>>50775634
Needs more repentia.

Play full on assault sisters, you're going to lose no matter what list you bring.

>>50775643
you do it, because there's NO TAU FAQ THERE LOL

>>50775643
I know, but there's no Tau faq or errata there, it's only listed on Facebook and then on community sites like bols

>>50775628
That's incredibly obnoxious, what if someone doesn't have a Facebook account?

>>50775396
>good for Orks
>when they have Trukks
80 points wouldn't be so terrible if drop pods didn't exist.

How good are doom sirens?

>>50775674
>having a private life in 2016

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What houserules do you use /tg/ ?
Rules that are in line with the fluff ?
Rules that improve the original rules ?

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>>50775674
Also here's the ruling on it for anyone who wants it

>>50775610
>i am babby, look at me!

>>50775246

Executioners are just overheat machines now that they have been FAQ'd. If you are worried about TEQs, take wyverns, more vets with plasmaguns/melaguns in chiemras, a LR punisher, or a plasma platoon

>>50775569
grap a transport for the wraithguard

+1/tg/ like for using the old 1heavy/3bikes rule

i would replace some scatterlasers/starcannons with brightlances or you will have real trouble with a leman russ or similar,i.e. it will simply shoot your stuff from afar and you cant do anything

>>50775666
Against our local necron player?

Part of the fun facing him is to see how bad of a list we can make and still win. My personal record was I table him by turn 3 with MSU SoB against his wraith spam with the decurion.

>>50775704
>Executioners are just overheat machines now that they have been FAQ'd.

Executioners are fine, give them PE or something to mitigate gets hot and its ok.

>>50775713
...lol.

Yeah, play pure assault sisters.

>>50775396
It depends on how you interpret their values for side armor cost.

If it's pay ONCE for both sides, it comes out to 45 points for an LSS that can take Marines with no weapons and no Scout or Deep Strike. +1 point per dude transported, actually, so you could make a flying Rhino Assault Vehicle for 50 points. (or 60 if pay for both sides).

>>50775699
It's still unofficial for now, so it could be overturned.

>>50775725
Anon, everyone knows the right way to use the vehicle design rules is to make a walker with 100 boltguns on it, for a 150 point one man company.

>>50775724
Removed the Inquisitor and Fat Cow.

Added a Priest with Litanies, 8x Repentias in a Rhino

>>50775752
This came out in July, if they're seriously still working on it, then they either care way too much or way too little about this game.

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Reposting my IW list, looking for feedbacks

>>50775459
Oh formatting error, my bad. List has 6 total, pointswise.

Swapped to Multimeltas on the Immos, dropped the Loud Hailers on the Exorcists, and slapped Dozer Blades on all the Immos.

I wanted to take Seraphim, but I liked the idea of suicidal plasma scions better. Maybe I'll make them anyway just to have the unit at all. Also gave the Tempestor a Plasma pistol to round it out to 1849.
Anyone have any Dark Eldar warriors they don't mind sending off?

Combined Arms Detachment
Canoness
[Storm Bolter, Chainsword, Rosarius, The Litanies of Faith]
100pts

2x Battle Sister Squad
[3x Battle Sister, Heavy Flamer, Flamer
Veteran Sister Superior [Combi-Melta]
Immolator [Twin-Linked Multi-Melta, Dozer Blade, Loud Hailer]
182pts each

2x Dominion Squad
[Meltagun]
Dominion Superior [Combi-Melta]
Immolator [Twin-Linked Multi-Melta, Dozer Blade, Loud Hailer]
190pts each

2x Exorcist
[Storm Bolter]
130pts

Retributor Squad
[4x Heavy Bolter]
Retributor Superior [Storm Bolter]
105pts

Combined Arms Detachment
Militarum Tempestus Command Squad
Tempestor with Plasma Pistol
[4x Plasma Gun]
160pts

3x Militarum Tempestus Scions
[2x Plasmagun, 2x Scion
Tempestor [Plasma pistol]
115pts each

Valkyrie Squadron
[2x Multiple Rocket Pods, Multi-laser]
135pts

1849/1850pts

>>50775771
They're seeing how it plays out.

>>50775697
Eyes of the Gods Upon Us:
When playing with or AGAINST forces nominally aligned to Chaos, you can roll on the Chaos Boon table for any suitably impressive feat.

The best time it happened to me was my DarkMech vs Daemons, where my Dominus cut down a Daemon prince of Slaneesh and then ascended to Daemonhood himself.
Obviously, I put the upgrades into a roll on Heretek.

It's informal as hell, but seeing as even when playing against Chaos I seem to have a habit of allowing them free Boons whenever since I really like seeing what crazy stuff happens, they thought they should formalize it.

>>50775790
word bearers are better

If a model is listed as, "Temporarily unavailable" does that mean it actually is temporarily gone? Or is that the catch all GW uses even if a model is going OOP?

>>50775805
So a Space Marine kills a Daemon Prince, he's getting rewarded for it?

So looking at what genestealer cults got, basically all the pros of the imperial guard, with monster cc units that can get stuck in turn one, why are they afraid to make orks not garbage again? Seriously if you are going to have a faction that can assault turn one reliably, what excuse is there to keep orks down? Poor sales? Thats bullshit, half the ork stuff comes from other armies kits, unfairly inflating their numbers while artificially making orks look like underperformers.

>>50775841
It means what it says, what you're looking for is "Last chance"

>>50775841
If it's going OOP, it says No Longer Available, but they also usually put it into "Last chance to buy".

>>50775841
the skull hourglass is the symbol of impending doom

>tfw realize that my CAD could be a Blood Host detachment if I swapped out my terminators for possessed
But I hate Possessed. What's wrong with using marines in a KdK CAD?

>>50775844
Yep. Possibly with something horrific that will cause him to be purged, but what you do with a Boon is up to you, I suppose.

Also, that one Guard sarge who punched out a Terminator and gained ID. Fear the S3 AP- Instant Death!

>>50775865
they're overcosted space marines

>>50775755
Sadly you can't fire that many guns at once.

I do like how you can put plasma and melta guns on vehicles, though. Dark Angel Land Speeders?...

>>50775844
Gets a gift of the emperor? Instead of the ascending to demonhood why not have him ascent to a loving saint or a hero of the chapter?

>>50775857
>>50775859
>>50775863

Thanks. Looking into getting some Inquisition units and was worried I might have missed 'em.

>>50775844
the gods of chaos aren't friends, they're constantly warring against one another

you can damnwell bet they'd give rewards to someone if they knew it was a slight against one of their mortal enemies

>>50775879
But I like them.

>>50775805
i dont own any CSM, but i do own their codex, maybe i`ll adept that rule.

One time one of my IG Sergants killed 4 Bloodletters in a single round of combat, i guess he would have been allowed to roll on that table, too.

Another time one of my Primaris Psykers survived 3 perils of the warp in one phase, maybe Tzeentch was watching over him

>>50775890
walkers can fire all their weapons

>>50775894
The Made to Order ones?

>>50775901
so play them in traitor legion where they're undercosted space marines

>>50775853
Yeah I was looking through the 1d4chan about GSC the other day. They're absolutely bonkers. Orks are basically bottom tier, again, just like back in 3rd. Fuck GW sometimes, I swear.

>>50775853
Orks are two years old and done in the Precurion days on '14 by people who had no clue about Orks, the Ghazgkull update was naturally done by the same crew who then did a token effort.

So now we need to wait some more, or vandalise GW stores with green paint saying that we're "really fired up"

So I realized that not only did Rubric Marines not get a decent buff with Wrath of Magnus, but the rules actually managed to make them *worse*.

In the core CSM codex, the Aspiring Sorcerer could take a Force Weapon of choice. Worst comes to worst, if you really wanted to you could give him a Force Axe and hunt some monsters or deny FNP to some Iron Hands or so.

The updated entry restricts the Sorcerer to only having a Force Staff, so no more at least pretending you can attempt to hunt a Riptide or so. Oh, but he can spend 5 points to replace his AP 3 Bolt Pistol with an AP 5 Hand Flamer that occasionally grants Feel No Pain!

The Thousand Sons are very much Tzeentch's Legion: any power they have is merely an illusion.

>>50775907
Oshit, you're right.

Dat's a lotta dakka.

If noise Marines are troops in a EC detachment, does that mean I can field them in a chaos warband?

>>50775926
well, if GW saw a massive ork sales spike they'd make a new one

I think at this point they've convinced themselves that only space marines sell

>>50775938
No.

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>>50775258

Battlescribed is retarded for sisters, but I'll try to reiterate what people said while translating

>Canoness
>[Storm Bolter, Chainsword, Rosarius, The Litanies of Faith]
>100pts
Cheap, but bad. Storm bolter should at least be a combi and Litanies should be Mantle. You'll have extra points for her.

>(2 squads)
>Battle Sister Squad
>[7x Battle Sister, Battle Sister with Heavy Flamer, Battle Sister with Flamer]
>Veteran Sister Superior [Bolt Pistol, Combi-Melta]
>Immolator [Twin-Linked Heavy Flamer, Loud Hailer]
Ok, is BattleScribe bullshit here. You actually have a squad of 9 or 10. It's listed as having 7 bolters, flamer, HFlamer, and Veteran. Go to 2 bolters, superior, flamer, HFlamer, and drop the hailer and vet. They're not worth it for BSS. Combi is nice, and TLMM is better.

>177pts each
>(2 squads)
>Dominion Squad
>[Dominion, 4x Dominion with Meltagun]
>Dominion Superior [Bolt Pistol, Combi-Melta]
>Immolator [Twin-Linked Multi-Melta, Loud Hailer]
>185pts each

This is how it should look, sadly.

>Exorcist
>[Storm Bolter, Loud Hailer]
>140pts
>Exorcist
>[Storm Bolter, Loud Hailer]
>140pts
Loud Hailers are worthless on them. Drop them. SB can be dropped of you need points, but otherwise fine for weapon destroyed.

>Retributor Squad
>[4x Retributor with Heavy Bolter]
>Veteran Retributor Superior [Bolt Pistol, Combi-melta]
>120pts
The combi is worthless here, and the vet isn't really needed, though Ld9 helps a little.

Pic related is how they should look in BS.

>>50775908
No idea. They're just all listed as "Temporarily unavailable" with no symbol for made to order. So I guess no?

>>50775909
>undercosted space marines
Making them troops don't take off half their point coat.

>>50775909
But I don't want to.

>>50775933
>The updated entry restricts the Sorcerer to only having a Force Staff, so no more at least pretending you can attempt to hunt a Riptide or so.

Uh, what do I do with my metal aspiring sorceror's who have force swords?

>>50775945
>if GW saw a massive ork sales spike they'd assume they done a great job.

>>50775955
What units are they?

>>50775938
No. Chaos Warband is a formation that specifies the particular allowed units by name, not FOC slot. That rule is mainly there to let you take them as troops in a CAD if you want.

>>50775891
>>50775896
Or that, I suppose. It's just a silly rule, we don't read too much into it as a whole. It does provide a neverending library of silly incidents, too.
They can very well fuck you over, too. Skitarii Daemon? Nope, unusually shiny Chaos Spawn.
>>50775902

Yep, they all get presents. It does depend on what you normally expect them to do, though, since obviously a SM Captain is expected to duel Terminator Lords, but the Skitarii Alpha would get a boon just for lasting two or three rounds.

>>50775959
they get VoTLW free and bonuses and shit, so they become worth more than the points you pay for them

>>50775965
then stop asking our advice if you're not going to take it

we're not going to masturbate over how sick your list is if you're just shitting out garbage

you can play how you want and you will have fun but it's not a good list no matter which way you cut it

>Watch Warhammer Twitch streams
>Watch 1KS vs Space Wolves
>One of them says "Ahriman is the most evil character in 40k"

Didn't Ahriman's series of novels portray him as an anti-hero whose every action was, more or less, dedicated to restoring his Brothers / Legion?

>>50775966
Counts as force staff now

>>50775966
Count them as actual HQ Sorcerers apparently. Or chop off their swords. Because GW thinks all wizards use staffs or so.

>>50775947
>>50775980
This feels like oversight then, because the only way to field noise Marines is part of a shitty formation.

>>50775794

Your BSS squads are so expensive, and still have 6 models instead of 5, which is why they're 182 points. You have 12 points on an extra model. Personally, I keep my troops dirt cheap at 135 points for just flamer, HFlamer, and immolator. Between the two squads, that's almost 100 extra points.

>>50776009
Kakophoni isn't shitty.

>>50775990
He is very much a "the end justifies the means" character. He won't hesitate to make orphans starve eachother to death if it accomplishes his goals.

>>50775351
>>50775376
I don't think yall are comparing the new book to the old codexes.

The new book actually buffed sisters of battle in several minor ways as well as providing a formation that allows for very cheap ally detachments of sisters elite units such as the command squad.

The book also completely changed how inquisitorial warbands are constructed, it fixed the jokaero problem of what to do when you have too many monkeys, and more importantly for competitive play removed servo skulls from the game.

In addition it brought several units in line with their current versions in other codexes such as the chimera and the points differences between archo-flagellants between the sisters and inquisition codexes.

Overall it doesn't change the landscape of the game like Traitor Legions does but I personally am very happy with the way the book turned out and how it effected my armies.

>>50775992
>>50775991
can't I use the profile from codex: chaos space marines?

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>>50776009
What about the Kakophoni formation are you unhappy with?

>>50775429
What was he playing to almost get tabled?

>>50776043
Having to field 30 noise Marines to get the plus one strength.

>>50776009
Are you high on combat drugs? Kakophoni is in no way shitty. And that's how formations are supposed to work. You get cool bonuses in exchange for more restrictive army building. The EC CAD is still there if you're looking for freedom.

Just checked out GeeDubs after having almost finished exams... Currently in UK so new sisters are like £50. Go check out Aussie site... $180

WTF geedubs, wtf.

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Reposting my list from another thread, mainly want to figure out which units/upgrades to remove, then work from there.

>>50776056
Why don't you want 30 Noise Marines?

>>50776056
So field the minimum 15 and get Shred and Split Fire.

>>50776071
all of them, then add a necron decurion and fill it out to 2000 points

>>50775953
Yep the update of Battlescribe made a monstrosity of the SoB it was bad already before the update.

Once my IA arrive I'll sit down and try to fix this shit.

>>50776038
"The rules here, where relevant, update, replace, or supplement the rules in your codex."

Your mileage may vary. I guess you could get away with fielding an Axe Aspiring Sorcerer if you forfeited fielding Warpflamers or a Soulreaper Cannon, though once again, you should probably bombard GW with complaints, like the Sisters players with Celestine.

Who knows? Maybe if we're lucky, Dark Eldar might get Asdrubael Vect back...

>>50776056
Your sacred number is 6, you have it the easiest of all, AND your bonus actually matters.

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>>50775955
That means they'll get restocked. If something is gone permanently but the entry hasn't been removed from the store it looks like this:

Without Magnus, is it even possible to win a game with the Thousand Sons?

There's 1500 point lists with like 20 models on the table

>>50775977
Pretty much everything listed under the Inquisition tab on the website. (US)

Most important would be Coteaz, Karamazov, and the missionary.

>>50776079
I'd rather bet spend $100 to play this list as is in an ITC tournament.

>>50775721

PE doesn't help any more. It's been FAQ'd.

>>50776062
>old
>ugly
>full metal
>hard to replace
>models are expensive

GW doesn't give a shit. SoB should just be squatted. The merging with IA is the first step to squatting.

>>50776120
Nah, those are fine. There was a bunch of different Inquisition stuff up in Made to Order recently and wasn't sure if you were seeing those somehow.

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does anyone know how this compares to a chimera door size wise ?
i am considering sticking it to the back of a chimera to mimic the old chimera conversion kit but i don't own a rhino

>>50776133
Have you read the offical FAQs? 75% sure they reversed that ruling

>>50776062
That's not a GW issue.

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"Only a fool takes Khârn for a mindless brute or rabid dog. Under that blood-soaked helm lurks an intelligence and cunning that makes him a masterful killer - trust me when I say that there is a dark purpose in his madness."

This is pretty badass, it's from the armless failure about that pretty fun guy to be around, but I can't find the sauce anywhere.

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>>50776133
It was unfaqed. Or refaqed as it were.

>>50776146
I wish. The 10 year of suffering are not worth it.

At least Chaosfag get new plastic

What did SoB get? One Failcast model.

>>50776196
It isn't Finecast. That's been removed fucking ages ago. It literally isn't it. Why do people keep saying this shit? You're the same guy from a few threads ago saying it was Failcast, right?

>>50776146
You do know that sisters of battle started out in an inquisition codex back in 3rd edition right?

>>50776222

I'm not him... but I own the model and it's still the GW finecast resin.

Chalky, brittle and flawed.

It's not brand "FINECAST ™" but it's finecast which they did away with because of how toxic the brand was but it's finecast resin.

It is, stop pretending otherwise.

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>>50776234
Please don't be dumb.

>>50776222
Same stuff, mate. They call it "finely detailed resin" now.

>>50775990
>in a universe that has Honsou

Okay.

>>50776234
Who cares? 10+ years have passed. We're not getting an update. Just pull the plug. Release the guillotine. Pull the trigger. Swing the axe. Plunge the knife. Flush the loo.

JUST. END. IT. THIS IS FUCKING MADNESS.

>>50776234
Actually

Oh Someone already said it: >>50776261

If memory serve me SoB are older than Chaos Androids AKA Necrons.

They even had Mk1 Immolators for fuck sake that existed till Witch Hunters but where present in the 3rd edition art. Can't remember if it was on pictures of the models.

>>50776182
Yeah, but he's a Word Bearer legionnaire and is inferior to Khorne Daemonkin.

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>>50776325
SoB players at this point are like a mother with a lost child.

Everyone knows the child is dead. Even the mother. We just want to see the body so we can have a closure.

Either Squat SoB or make a fucking proper update.

For fuck sake even Genestealer got a codex.

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>>50776336
IM HELPING

>>50776361
Like GW had an intention to update SoB at least when Witch Hunters came around.

What happen? Kelly lost too many times against a SoB player?

>>50776357
Actual SoB players are still fielding sisters because they still have a boring monobuild codex of average power.

It's meme players and meme posters are the ones yelling about how everything is over.

>>50776384

witch hunters probably under-sold so sisters got shafted

>>50776390
yeah that's what I said, nobody is playing sisters

>>50776161
please respond

>>50776393
Wonder if no plastic troop choice was part of the reason.

That was the time that everyone had at least the troops with plastic.

>>50776404
I think more people would switch over/play them if they got an update. I know I would.

The problem is dated models which are overpriced as fuck.

>>50776441
Roughly the same height, but the rhino hatch is narrower and not the right shape to replace the whole back end of a chimera.

>>50776390
>>50776393
>>50776404

February.

>>50776390
I never said it's over. I just WANT it to be over. There is a difference. Update us, or kill us. This limbo bullshit has gone on for WAY too long. It used to be funny, then it got annoying, then it got funny again, now it's just pathetic. GW don't have the fucking BALLS to end our shitty fucking army.

>>50776357
SoB players are battered wives in an abusive relationship with GW.

>>50776504
GW hits us because it loves us.

>>50776504
We're battered wives who want to leave, but we chained to our husband with handcuffs. We can't leave because GW won't fucking let us leave. We're willing to leave, but they won't let us.

>>50776336
Necrons came first but SoB got a full codex first.

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>>50776480

>>50776524
Wait why does GW have you chained up?

>>50776573
I don't care what she says, February or Bust.

Should I make a 1500 list or an 1850 list?

>>50776504
We can be both. The mourning mother and the abused wife.

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>>50776524
>We can't leave
there is literally nothing keeping you "chained" to a hobby

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>>50776465
thanks anon
i just need it to fit between the pistons

>>50776576
THEY WANT OUR INHERITANCE. WE WERE GIVEN THE FABLED "INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY" BY OUR PARENTS, THE WITCH HUNTER CODEX. THEY WANT US AROUND IN CASE THEY DECIDE TO CASH US IN!

Anyone finding any stupid tricks with Chaos? Here's a stupid one.

A Night Lord character with Curze's Orb manning a Plasma Obliterator. Either an Apostle or Favored Scions Lord so you don't suffer from accidental transformation via nuking enemy sergeants.

>>50776604
You misunderstand. I don't want to leave the hobby, I've got multiple other armies to do. I just want SoB killed off so I can file them under "This won't ever happen" just like I can with expecting a Demiurg and Hrud codex. Though, thinking about it, those two are infinitely more like to be updated.

>>50776605
It doesn't.

>>50776480
Oh god your so funny. It's not I've seen the list, it's AoS moron.

>>50776573
They released a 'codex' with all metal models before releasing a full plastic line? I call bullshit. And I'm over here WANTING to play sisters.

>>50776637
I don't understand this post. Explain?

>>50775253
I think you gave that Taurox and the russes a bit too much gear. If anyone charges them the fire barrels will hardly turn the game around, while Recovery gear is useless, just get dozer blades.
If you're running the Emperor Blade you don't need the scions, you should replace them with some Wyverns or other artillery to remove blobs after the melta-vets open their transports.
If the Psyker is joining a CCS you need a priest or another psyker to go with the Bullgryns so that they won't run away at the first sign of danger.

As far as the Emperor's blade playstile goes, you use them like your usual Troop slot Mech Vets just remembering about that bonus against gits that are close to Objectives.
Remember to use the ObjSec Chimeras for S8 rammings against other veichles.

>>50776595
build to 1500 and then play around with it 'till you find out what you're list is missing or what you need more off.

>>50776644
In February it is not SoB, it's bloody AoS. Anybody who claims its Sisters need to stop because it is not I have seen the list of releases.

>>50776638
Witch Hunters honey. Made the same mistake twice.

People are still buying the expensive, old and ugly models of a decade ago.

There is a market maybe not SPACE MARINE BIG but a market nonetheless.

>>50776678
Proof?

>>50776631
ah crap
guess i'll have to make do with etched brass then
thanks for the responses anyway anon

>>50776644
>>50776684
Not him, but the first 6 months of 2017 have been leaked (apparently, pinch of salt yadda yadda) as AoS Tzeentch Arcanites (So Tranzgors and all their other awesome models they got in Silver Tower) and The Fallen.

SoB aren't getting updated.

>>50776667
You responded to my list which isn't the anon you meant to respond to! Delete and repost!

>>50776708
Where? I mean I don't see mention of Abaddon and that's coming January.

>>50775697
For every 3 wounds/HP taken from Superheavies/Gargantuans the opponent gets a Victory point if he has no SH/Garg.

>>50776722
Oh yeah that's the other thing. New Abaddon model. There was something else as well. I forget what.

Oh yeah, the loyalist Primarch (assumed to be The Lion).

>>50775790
bump

>>50776760
Yeah, Luther, Abaddon and Tzeentch Arcanites. All the rumours I've seen also had Sisters in there though.

>>50776404
Speak for yourself

Have any of you guys used psychic shriek? I played a game yesterday for the first time with my harlequins vs tau and psychic shriek was wrecking face. I think my shadowseer did more wounds that the rest of my army combined. Now I am not one to assume one data point is representative of the whole data set so I am wondering what everyone else's experience with psychic shriek.

>>50776823
psychic shriek obliterates low LD and sucks fat farts against high LD

>>50776823
It's considered one of the best psychic powers in the game.

Anyone putting together a collection of Advent Calendar 2016 or will it all appear when it's out in the end?

>>50776679
You keep saying ugly, but honestly? other than the faces the minis aren't bad.

but maybe I just like goth chicks

>>50776823
Yeah, that particular spell is awesome as hell. I discounted it originally since I was looking for a way to take down a Stormsurge when I read the powers list and it's a bit shit at that, but when I used it against Renegades or Guard, or even veteran Marines with a good roll, it can utterly destroy anything without an invulnerable save.

Best thing has to be screaming 60 Renegade infantry off the board in one phase, with a few Inquisition psykers.

>>50776823

Well, considering that:
>>50776867
>>50776871

And also you are fighting Tau, a faction with no psychic powers or defenses to speak of, it's actually pretty on-par for results.

>>50776823
Getting over 9 or 10 on 3d6 by a large enough margin to actually do impressive things isn't exactly uncommon, but it can't be relied upon.

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>>50776791
The DA shit was set up in WoM with the Changeling releasing loads of Fallen. They didn't release Luther... Though this might change. Dunno how, but it might.

If it is Luther release, then the Lion awaking makes sense.

Then again, this being released in Deathwing seems to increase the chances.

>>50776886
Mixed bag, helmet SoB are actually pretty cool.

>>50776357
>For fuck sake even Genestealer got a codex.
And deserved it 100x more than fucking SoB. God I hate when people use this argument.

>>50776823
people online always say it's great but to be honest I've never seen anyone use it, I thought about it but meh. if you get something like an 18 against guardsmen then sure that's awesome, but between having to harness warp charges, rolling against leadership, potentially mitigated powers etc. you're paying quite a few points for an "if", a "might" kill a good amount of guardsmen. I guess it would be alright against some marines too but 50% of the time it does literally nothing to them.

>Superheavies and Gargantuans have their points costs slashed, but can only target other Superheavies and Gargantuans with any weapons that are unique to them.
Thoughts? I think this might make the game feel more thematic.

How angry would you all be if my alpha legion army was just a bunch of models painted in different chapter colors?

>>50777027
Pick a loyalist Chapter and do that. It's weird if they're all different chapters.

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>>50777014
>Memestealers deserve it more
>half assed human only genestealers

>>50777019
>make Wraithknights even cheaper
Fuck yourself with a ripsaw.

>>50775953
Alright I did a little paper math and I think I got it down finally. Got rid of the Retributors and the Cannoness for a Seraphim/Celestine combo. I figure if someone is pissy about me using Celestine they're also going to be pissy in general. Should I run a Superior in there too for a power sword?

Combined Arms Detachment
St. Celestine
135pts

2x Battle Sister Squad
[7x Battle Sister, Heavy Flamer, Flamer
Veteran Sister Superior [Combi-Melta]
Immolator [Twin-Linked Multi-Melta, Dozer Blade]
150pts each

2x Dominion Squad
[Meltagun]
Dominion Superior [Combi-Melta]
Immolator [Twin-Linked Multi-Melta, Dozer Blade]
180pts each

Seraphim Squad
2x Hand Flamer, 4x Seraphim
165pts

2x Exorcist
[Storm Bolter]
135pts each

Combined Arms Detachment
Militarum Tempestus Command Squad
Tempestor Prime [Plasma Pistol]
[4x Plasma Gun]
160pts

3x Militarum Tempestus Scions
[2x Plasmagun, 2x Scion]
Tempestor [Plasma pistol]
115pts each

Valkyrie Squadron
[2x Multiple Rocket Pods, Multi-laser]
135pts

1850/1850pts

>>50777035
but isnt that the alpha legion can be anyone at any time?

>>50777052
celestine doesn't exist, try again.

>>50777052
>celestine
>he doesn't know

>>50777062
Yeah, but it makes no sense that they'd dress up as various Chapters at the same time.

>>50777066
Both Codex Adepta Sororitas and Imperial Agents are valid. Try again.

30 noise Marines broken up into stuff squads costs 894 points. Before getting rhinos for them. This can't be good can it?

>>50777066
>>50777080

Wrong. FAQ literally states you use the latest rules for out of production models. So Celestine uses her latest rules.

You gonna fucking bitch if I bring my Slaaneshi Dreadnought to the table because it isn't produce any more you FUCK?

>>50776867
Well harlequins have a -2 ld within 12" item and the dark eldar coven has -1 ld within 12" for each of its formations. Meaning you can easily have -3 or -4 to someone's leadership. 50% of the time you will get 12 or more, with so that is 5 or 6 wounds.

>>50777046
Well, I had imagined Wraithknights would be an exception.
Sorry I didn't go through every single superheavy and point out the ones that do or don't get cheaper.

>>50777080
>>50777081

>>50777089
Seriously though, SoB codex is still valid and not superseded.

>>50777089
Depends m8. What happens when I bring all the deleted guard characters to face you?

I have a terrible problem with sticking with one force and end up changing my mind, so I can't build up my army or spend time painting one thing. HOW DO I GET OVER THIS??

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>>50777043
>army was around since before SoB
>waited more than twice as long for an update for both rules and models
>more relevant to the fluff
>unique playstyle that isn't just "more power armored humans"
>calling them "memestealers" when SoBstories whining for an update every time another army gets one is LITERALLY a fucking meme
>posting worst eva girl

Affix a sturdy rope to a high place and end yourself.

>>50777052
Ditch the plasma pistols, drop the battle sister squads to 5 each and you can get another scion squad.

>>50777089
alright, I didn't know you could use both codexes for the same army

I'm bored of my current army (Death Guard) but I have no idea what my new army should be.

I've been coddled by everything being T5.

>>50777081
okay so do i get extra points if it is comprised of models that look like the Dark Angels

>>50777112
You can use them all you like using their most recent rules.

>>50777128
genestealer cults

it doesn't matter that you're t3, if they leave one model alive the whole squad comes back

>>50777014
Sisters probably deserved itv more.

>>50777138
If they all look like Dark Angels, go for it. That sounds fun.

>>50777144

I should have included: Easy to paint. Which GSC isn't.

>>50777088
894 points on 30 marines

you're an idiot stop bloating them

>>50777120
>army was around since before SoB
SoB was in rogue trader

>>50777016
Thing is, it works best when not trying to "maybe" kill a dozen Conscripts, it works best when you need to kill a termicide squad, or a Special Weapons Team, or a Tyranid MC.
I mean, if you have good luck vs something like Renegades with their LD5 you can make a big squad leg it, but I find it works better trying to kill a few models or one model with middling leadership.

Only thing I don't get is why are Plague Zombie LD10? They're fearless already, they don't really need it, and they don't exactly have good mental discipline. Hell, they are as or more resistant to PS as most of the Primarchs.

>>50777043
GSC are an fantastic army with a deep roots in 40k lore. They best, and almost singlehandedly, represent the "enemy within" that those Inquisition chucklefucks are ostensibly guarding against.

>>50777052

Your troops don't match your points, but I'm pretty sure you have:

Battle Sisters x5
HFlamer, Flamer
Combi-Melta
Immolator w/TLMM and Dozer

Note that the combi should probably be a flamer to match, btw.

I like to run larger Seraphim squads, but with Celestine 4 bodies should be fine. As for the VSS, let me ask you this: is a S3 power sword worth 25 points?

>>50777120
It's true but, Sisters have been butfucked since 3rd

Gsc just kinda vanished.

>>50777156
All I did was take sonic weapons. Are sonic weapons bloat on noise Marines lmao

>>50776672
Good point.

>>50777112
Use them with their latest rules. It only becomes difficult with shit like the SoB Dreadnought which has completely different rule set. If you wanna use Chenkov, Rambo and Schafer, go for it.

>>50777052
For Seraphim just add the character. The Power sword does nothing. Maybe if you have points left a plasma pistol.

The only point to adding the character is to prevent Celestin Sniper.

>>50777189
My last chancers ride again!

>>50777122
>>50777052

Oh God, I didn't realize you had plasma pistols. Drop that shit asap.

>>50777189
>moving the goalposts

>>50777119
pls help

>>50777120
SoB were around in Rogue Trader as anti-Marines. Check. Fucking. Mate.

They're only more 'relevant' to the fluff because GW only throws crumbs to SoB. They're only 'more power armoured humans' because GW left them as 'more power armoured humans'.

>Worst girl

Now this is shitposting!

I thought Memestealer was pretty funny. Sorry.

>>50777043
GSC are far more relevant than Sisters.

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>>50775033
What's the best loadout for Emperor's Wrath?

Right now I have 2 Basilisks and a Manticore, but I'm not sure what the final Squadron should be. 2 Hydras would be nice for flyers since with the order they could ignore cover. Wyvern already ignore cover, so I guess split firing would be the best order they could get. At that point it feels like another 2 Basilisks would be good, but I'm not sure.

>>50777174
FFS sisters aren't even that bad, they're literally mid-tier. The only thing they've been really fucked on is model releases. They've never been unplayable, either literally or figuratively, since getting a Codex.

GSC were squatted for 20 years and add more to the game.

>>50777203
How is that moving the goalposts? Celestine, Chenkov, Schaefer and Marbo don't get produced any more OR have recent rules. So use their most recent ones.

Also the SoB Dreadnought wasn't official. It was a 'create your own' mailorder meme.

GSC > SoB

Man, those crying SoB-fags are getting really annoying.

>>50777223
A squadron of basilisks and a manticore to recieve orders
A squadron of wyverns to fill the other slot

>>50777238

Except Celestine is literally still playable because GW outright said that IA doesn't replace C:AS

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>>50777219
>a codex literally invented to please the Nid whiners they couldn't ally is 'more relevant'

W E W
E
W

>>50777224
Same guy here, I also want to say:

I'm not trying to shit on SoB and I too think they deserve a great update and full plastic range, but I'm really sick of seeing every thread talking about Sisters have the inevitable "god even those undeserving Genestealer pricks got a Codex" when some of us were waiting two decades for it.

>>50777219
Really?
So the Eclesiarchy should just fuck off then?

>>50777251
Sounds good. Would Hydras be better if the army had a few flyers?

>>50777246

The funny thing is that its not SoB-fags crying.

>>50777246
Man, those people moaning about people moaning are getting really annoying.

Man, those Ork-fags (hyphen, why?) are getting really annoying.

Man, those Chaos-fags are getting really annoying.

Man, those DE-fags are getting really annoying.

Man, those Tau-fags are getting really annoying.

Etc.

>>50777255
Doubt.jpg

>>50777256
>not aware GSC were a thing in 2nd edition that's been constantly mentioned in the fluff ever since
That's like saying AdMech only got a Codex because Imperials wanted more Allies.

>>50777224
Look i like cult. I wish it was a more generic cult so i could do redemptionists

>>50777122
>>50777169
I fucked up the format again, it is only 5 sisters. That's what I get for copy-pasting. ONCE MORE WITH FEELING.


Combined Arms Detachment
St. Celestine
135pts

2x Battle Sister Squad
[2x Battle Sister, Heavy Flamer, Flamer
Sister Superior [Combi-Flamer]
Immolator [Twin-Linked Multi-Melta, Dozer Blade]
150pts each

2x Dominion Squad
[Meltagun]
Dominion Superior [Combi-Melta]
Immolator [Twin-Linked Multi-Melta, Dozer Blade]
180pts each

Seraphim Squad
2x Hand Flamer, 4x Seraphim
110pts

2x Exorcist
[Storm Bolter]
135pts each

Combined Arms Detachment
Militarum Tempestus Command Squad
[4x Plasma Gun]
145pts

4x Militarum Tempestus Scions
[2x Plasmagun, 2x Scion]
100pts each

Valkyrie Squadron
[2x Multiple Rocket Pods, Multi-laser]
135pts

1845/1850pts

>>50777189
>Use them with their latest rules

The issue with this is that unless you're playing unbound, your detachments must consist of units from the same army. "Adeptus Sororitas" and "Imperial Agents" are two different armies (unless their books state otherwise, idk) so if you take Celestine with the new Imperial Agents codex, you effectively have a model from a different army in the same detachment. How does that work?

How do you make your Medusae, Guard players who don't buy them from FW? I have suddenly discovered a need for tow or three of them.

AKA, what guns do you build onto what?

t. Ordo Reductor.

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>>50777282

>>50775945
No one can know how GW would operate, since they defy logic

A few things could happen
>ork sales stay down
>because sales are down, new rules to push a product line

>ork sales are down
>not release new stuff because they think no one likes them

>ork sales increase
>new rules/models because people like them

>ork sales increase
>nothing new because people like them as they are

It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't type scenario

>>50777286
>not aware SOB were a thing in fucking Rogue Trader that's been constantly mentioned in the fluff ever since

Ecclsiarchy don't real, right? IA2 don't real, right? IA5 don't real, right? Shield of Baal don't real, right? Etc.

>>50777282

Nope, only the SoB waifu fags.

>>50777300
They're not. Imperial Agents is just a collection of different armies in one book. They each have their own faction which is why people hate the codex.

I don't need to read the rest of your post.

>>50777120
>genesteakers have a unique playstyle

Jajaja

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>This section of Codex: Imperial Agents includes full background and rules for the acolytes of the Adeptus Mechanicus. It includes datasheets for Tech-Priest Enginseers and Servitors, and a unique Detachment making it easy to add these operatives to your army.
Pg 40

>This section of Codex: Imperial Agentsincludes full background and rules for the pious warriors of the Adepta Sororitas. It includes datasheets and descriptions of their holy wargear. It also includes two unique Detachments, enabling you to add either a lone Ministorum Priest and his bodyguard to your army or field an entire military wing of the Ecclesiarchy.
Pg 58

>This section of Codex: Imperial Agents includes full background and rules for the elite Space Marines of the Deathwatch. It includes a datasheet for the Deathwatch Veterans and the deadly Corvus Blackstar gunship, as well as a unique Detachment making it easy to add these operatives to your army.
Pg 84

>This section of Codex: Imperial Agents includes full background and rules for the Daemon-hunting Space Marines of the Grey Knights. It includes datasheets for Grey Knight Terminator and Interceptor squads, as well as the arcane Nemesis Dreadknight, and a unique Detachment making it easy to add these warriors to your army.
Pg 92

>This section of Codex: Imperial Agents includes full background and rules for the deadly agents of the Officio Assassinorum. It includes a datasheet for each of these sinister figures, descriptions of their esoteric wargear, a unique Detachment making it easy to add these agents to your army, and a Formation representing the Assassinorum’s ultimate sanction: the Execution Force.
Pg 108

Honestly I have no idea what GW intent was.

>>50777256
>being this new

>>50777300
See >>50777307

>>50777322
What else they got going for them? They're a meme. I don't even like SoB.

>>50777312
Yeah, and they have had playable rules every edition, what is your fucking point?

>>50777300

>you effectively have a model from a different army
>Copypasta publication
>Same faction

>>50777328
Fair enough. No need for butthurt, I just didn't know and I'm a fairly new player trying to figure out things. I think it would be shit if sisters players couldn't take Celestine, so I'm glad they can.

>>50777269
In the Emperor's ideal Imperium the Ecclisiarchy never would have happened.

>tfw want footguard
>tfw don't want infantry blobs

I love the chain of command and the blob doesn't respect it.

>>50777312
goalposts.mov

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>>50776114
Not unless you're opponent is gimping himself or you homebrew.

>>50777361
neither would csm but we still love those

>>50777341
>new

Mate, I've been here 3 months. You need to learn the definition of 'new', you faggot.

>>50777346
That they're more relevant. GW just doesn't want to bother. GSC gave them more money and tied in with Deathwing.

>>50777300
You can't take a CAD of all the different armies in c:ia

>>50776114
No.

I'm pretty sure I could table them in 3 turns with casual Orks.

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>>50777312
>Rogue Trader
Sort of. They were completely different fluff wise and weren't really in the game itself till 1997. GSC on the other hand have been around as a playable thing in game, pretty much as they are now, since 1989.

>>50775945
Space Marines sell the best because they're the only faction that GW gives any meaningful attention to

>>50777361
Play 30k?

>>50776114

My Nid list has less models than that at 1500

>>50777377
>3 months

you can't make this shit up

>>50777377
>3 months
>not new
>defending Sisters

>>50777356
I wasn't butthurt. I just didn't need to read the rest of your post, as it was going on the basis that they were a different faction. I explained. Text is impersonal. My apologises.

>>50777402
more wounds though

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>>50777377
>3 months
>thinking he isn't new
>implying this isn't bait

>>50777377
>3 months

This is grade a bait. Stop false flagging sisters fans.

>>50777397
>They were completely different fluff wise and weren't really in the game itself till 1997.

Space Marines were different back then too. They were human, mostly made up of criminals and psychopaths and worked as general police and military in one.

>>50777377
3 months? That's nothing I've been here for 6 years.

>>50777377
>3 months
>not new
Holy fuck.

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>>50777403
>>50777408
Fucking really? You're going to believe him? Clearly a falseflag.

>>50777397
>Moving from 'GSC were around before SoB' to 'SoB were before BUT THEY CHANGED' goalpost shifting

>>50777418
he's either stupid and baiting or stupid and new

>>50777377
>Mate, I've been here 3 months.

Hahahah.

>>50777402
Fucking disgraceful.

>>50777426
>6 years
Lol, what a loser.

How does it feel to waste your life?

>>50777377
>Mate, I've been here 3 months. You need to learn the definition of 'new', you faggot.
is this you taylor?

>>50777377
This is making laugh so hard that people are falling for it. The easiest (You)'s I've EVER seen somebody get since the time I invented

>mfw I'll never get this many (You)'s

to posts just like this.

>>50777449
He said in the 40k thread.

>>50777449
Were all losers here.

Look guys, it's either amazing bait in which case whatever he's a good baiter.

OR he's being serious in which case it's FUNNY AS FUCK

>>50777433
>>Moving from 'GSC were around before SoB' to 'SoB were before BUT THEY CHANGED' goalpost shifting
That guy wasn't me but he also made a good point.

Rogue Trader doesn't mean shit because it wasn't even really 40k. Literally just about everything in the fluff back then changed.

GSC on the other hand are still almost identical to their 2nd ed Codex appearance.

>Lore to be written. Lore Lore Lore Lore Lore Lore Lore Lore Lore Lore Lore Lore Lore Lore Lore Lore Lore Lore Lore Lore Lore Lore Lore
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What is this shit?

>>50777395
I would imagine horde armies would be the Thousand Sons bane, rather than Marine armies. If you get into assault with them you're going to sweep them off the floor and into your dustpan
But if you try to fight them with vehicles they're going to laugh their assess off at you

>>50777364
Do 20 Man Squads. They aren't huge blobs that are hard to move around. Then there's also Vets with Camo Cloaks/Grenadiers, Heavy Weapon Squads, and I'm not sure what else would be good. Though, if you want to do single 10 man Infantry Squads, you'll want a character that can aoe buff their Leadership or give them Fearless/Stubborn. I'd recommend Yarrick as he can give orders and if you make him your Warlord, he has the trait that makes it so you don't take Morale or Pinning tests for 25% losses within 12 inches of him. I'd also recommend Jacobus if you don't want Yarrick, since he gives Fearless and Counter-Attack in a 12 inch radius.

>>50775376
Basically. They just took the stats from a few sources and collected them together.

>Dude b8s into SoBfag false flagging / being a newfag
>Gets a bunch of replies
Can't say I'm surprised.

>>50777433
It would simple just find the oldest mention of SoB as either bolter bitches or marine hunters

Same goes for Genestealer either random xenos or nid related.

My guess is the SoB Marine killer where first. But I'm talking from memory of something I did not live. I started around "2nd" ending and 3rd starting so I got to play the confusing stages of WTF no movement.

>>50777480

But anon, for a mere 7 points, any of his Rhubrics can take a flamer that might not give the hordes FnP! It's a bargain!

>>50777475
I still haven't come up with any good colourful description s for the Sorcerer and Rubric Dreadnoughts, so I put that as filler to get a feel for the visual qualities of the formatting.

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>>50777499

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>>50777433
I'm not the same person friend. But regardless, prior to 1997 SoB were just this picture and some text.

The people going on about "But GSC got a book" are picking entirely the wrong faction to try to shit on. They're acting like we just got "Codex: Nocturnal Warriors of Hrud" or something.

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>>50777472
>this bullshit keeps going

Stop this memeing.

>>50777490
Pic.