/srg/ - Shadowrun General

So are the wankers - I mean, characters - who post Jackpoint shitposts - I mean, commentary - in the fluff parts of the books based on characters that were actually played in earlier editions or are they all completely made up?

>>50773392
Dev babies, pretty much.

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In case people missed it from last thread:
Here's now working links to the artwork and tokens folder from the Pastebin that have been dead for a while.
Again, sorry about that. If whoever is in control of that pastebin would add the new links, that'd be cool.

Here have like a thousand badly named tokens!
https://mega.nz/#F!pYtR0SQB!Cu4L3mvZhKno_U0oOeU7Nw

And like 1600, or so SR related images (Careful, a bunch of NSFW stuff in there)
https://mega.nz/#F!xAt3DSJK!nth6Vq8XZYUi-ixdkqwPTA

I'm gonna try to keep this updated as I make more pogs for my own campaign. Since I'm not otherwise using Mega, this time, they wont just disappear.

Lova ya!

>>50773395
Pity, they'd actually be kind of cool if they were playtest characters from current and older editions.

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>>50773052
They all get Synaptic Boosters. All of them.

The only ones that don't are the ones that don't want to hurt their essence.
So they get Improved Reflexes

>>50773052
One of my players is in a race to the bottom because I told him that I might let him become a cyberzombie if he can get to 0 essence while also having at least 1m nuyen and a solid connection with both a morally unscrupulous group of mages and a talented but sociopathic doctor with access to at least betaware.

He's run across the mages and doctor, has about 100k in the bank and currently has 3 essence. I have no plan on following through with making him a cyberzombie, but I'm willing to let him try. If it amuses me, I might actually let it work.

>>50773470
>I told one of my players a condition under which I'd let them become a cyberzombie and now one of them is trying to achieve that condition
For what purpose?

Hey guys.

Got a quote from Street Legends Supplemental.

>I don’t see technomancy as the next step forward. It is much more like a brief
diversion. Soon it will be back to datajacks and hard wires. Winternight has
seen to that. -Clockwork
>What do you mean by that? -netcat
>Doesn’t matter. -Clockwork

Is this referring to the grid being brought back? And what did Winternight have to do with that?

>>50773470
>one of my players gave his character life goals what a retarded faggot amiritelol
How about you follow through if he meets all the game rule requirements, you massive power fantasy lying faggot?
>if it amuses you
You're totally That GM, aren't you?

>>50773482
I'm a bad person and I like to give players a reason to interact with diverse groups. His interest in becoming an unliving, soulless robo-lich has driven them to take risky missions for murder-death cultists and literally scaly executives. They've violated the most basic rules of 'running in their quest. I've gotten them to care about their characters in a way they've never cared before.

They know they're on the highway to hell and they've got the pedal to the floor. They have accepted the risks and ruination that will one day come their way on the off chance that they might be able to fight it off if they've got Undead RoboCop by their side.

This is the best campaign I've ever gotten to run.

>>50773392
Bull really was played by his writer and he gave him super-special canonical status as being -the- one to do Harlequin's adventure.

>>50773603
But I still don't get it, why would someone want to be a cyberzombie in or out of character? Yeah, you get some power, but you lose your free will.

>>50773588
Hey, I'm gonna make them roll for it with no Edge. That's pretty fair, in my eyes. If they can make a solid enough case, I might just GM fiat that shit into happening (or at least a part of it). If they don't get their contacts up, I'll just tell them that he fucking dies because their chosen CyberNecromancers don't care enough to give it their best effort.

Also, never said I thought my player was in any way looked down upon for having a life goal. I think his life goal is completely crazy, but everyone is rolling with it. For the record, he came to me with the question of "Can I start as a CyberZombie?" and I pulled the criteria out of my ass. I made them kinda high, in my mind, and was surprised that he ran with it.

>>50773706
Not necessarily or immediately. Hatchetman did fine, and even that Cyberzombie Big D possesses just mentally regressed.

Frankly, cyberzombies get too bad a rap. They'd be fine as a lategame powerup for street sams.

>>50773706
I don't think they lose free will unless they get an implant specifically for that.

>>50773729
Did you try actually reading up the rules for making a cyberzombie in 4e? They're supposed to go on an epic planar quest and everything.

>>50773729
Are you sure your player actually understands what being a cyberzombie entails?

>>50773706
No clue. I explained the process to him, watched him read the blurb in the book, told him all the drawbacks, even said that every cyberzombie ever created was basically a 40k Servitor. Dude wanted it.

I secretly hope that he has some character on the back burner that he has a plan for that involves having a cyberzombie. Like a crazy-ass rigger that wants to jump into the zombie or a technomancer that wants to put a sprite in the unliving abomination or something.

>>50773745
Thats what the mages are for, in part. The team has a gunslinger adept but no serious magic guy. They had a shaman that pumped out heals, but she was the girlfriend on another player and they split up. No one has died and gotten to reroll and at this point I really don't think a new player would even want in on this mad quest. They've gotten NPC assistance with magic shit that's come up, but have mostly been full on "geek the mage" as their magic solution. Astral shit fucks them hard, but they're dealing with it in their own murder-hobo way.

Any thoughts on AI negative qualities, like persnickety renter, corruptor, easily exploitable etc?

Hey guys, question for you on 4e Techomancer builds.

Is it worth it to keep spending Karma on Skillgroups after you bought them with build points?

Or is it honestly just easier to grab individual skills from that point on? I'm mostly worried about the Electronics line. Feels like I can just buy Software and Computers separately for my needs and that Data Search and hardware are just not worth it?

Another question about source books. Which book outlines where Ghostwalker attacks the denver data haven?

I like the idea of cultural tattoos and piercings for my azzie but that seems counterproductive to infiltration

>>50773470
>3 Essence
>not starting the Game with 0.45 Essence including Biocomp

Weakass

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>>50773603
>risky missions for murder-death cultists and literally scaly executives
here your players deserve it

>>50774691
They've done some truly horrible things. They've also done some really good things. I think it evens out. Their draconic dealings make my pants a little tight, as their GM. They have basically given me full reign on coming up with a ludicrous, convoluted plan to get them into a dragon's stomach. No idea how I'm going to do it yet, but it's on my backburner.

So.
Who here thinks intoducing a cyberzombie dragon is the best idea?
I sure do.

Also good ideas are cyberzombie insect spirits and chaining free spirits into cybercorpses.

>>50774813
Next edition will introduce an option for PCs to be an AI with a humanoid drone body.

>>50773961
As a Technomancer, you can just buy individual skills, mostly because you should be tasking Sprites to do most of the heavy lifting. Data Search is an excellent example of a skill that a Data Sprite from a high-Resonance Technomancer will perform at better than a human is even able to. Pick what you want to do, develop that and don't feel bad about leaving the rest to Sprites.

>>50774764
Like... they NEED to get into the dragon's stomach, they want you to find a way for them to face off a dragon or they want to get eaten by a dragon?

>>50775173
I need to have the dragon they dealt with make an elaborate plot to eat them. They crossed a dragon, not in a big and overt way but still. Mr. Dragon won't forget that anytime soon, but in the meantime, he finds the PCs a reliable tool to achieve his primary objectives. In his mind, they live until he's done using them and then he's going to try to eat them, metaphorically and literally.

>>50773789
>told him all the drawbacks, even said that every cyberzombie ever created was basically a 40k Servitor.
That's ... not really it. They're detached from humanity, not 100% removed from any vestige of personality.

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>>50775254
I see.
From what you wrote:
>They have basically given me full reign on coming up with a ludicrous, convoluted plan to get them into a dragon's stomach.

I pictured it ending up something like pic related.

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>>50774764
Thats not how it works omae. Dealing with a dragon and doing awful things does not get offset by doing few good things.
Soon you find yourself in a corner where the shadowcommunity hates you and the Johnsons sees you as even more disposable.

>>50775318
from which book is this? Seems like its gonna be an interesting read.

>>50775400
Dragons of the Sixth World.

>>50775173
Last time my players dealt with a dragon it ended up with the dragon getting into the party's technomancer, if you know what I mean.

You could say the dragon really fucked her...

Literally...

My party is a wreck

>>50775612
If that's the worst the Dragon did to your party, I think you Qualify as a soft GM.

>>50773575
Who cares, Clockwork got a bullet in the skull because he went too far in one of the novels.

He didn't live past 2074.

>>50775700
No I get that, I don't care about clockwork, I'm interested in winternight.

Do dragons shitpost?

>>50775746
Dunklezhan did all the time.

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>>50775698
Well, one character awakened as a Drake, every Dragon in the NYC area smelled it in the astral and sent mercenaries, runners and other drakes after them to catch them. The group got away, but heavily beaten as they tried to defend their suddenly scaly friend.

Drake payed off some of the Karma debt with the wanted and enemy qualities, so I guess that's the worst thing that was done by a dragon so far.

Also the other dragon came about as a joke in a "milk run" where two rich people made a game about having runners deliver a gift basket to each other each year. Turned out the recipient of their gift basket was a (rather laid back) dragon. I expected the group to GTFO and never look back, but then the technomancer simply offered herself as part of his hoard, and the street sammy incorporated him into their delusions, stating as a matter of fact that he is their uncle.
So... yeah, They ended up part time working for a dragon who actually just wanted to be left alone until this age had settled a bit. Also Lots of side ERP happened

>>50775807
Are you me? Almost literally the same thing happened with my party.

>>50773575
There were a few 4e characters being used as freelancer mouthpieces, seemingly with the expectation that the writers would be able to make it happen in 5e.

See also; Stormfront and Infected dying to regen dragging cyberware through their brain. There was so much salty shit about that 5e expectation in these threads.

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>>50775883
That's kinda hilarious.
Apparently a large amount of players would totally just throw away their independence and safety for the off chance to such dragon dick.

Fuck, who am I kidding, I would in a heart beat, too.

>>50776209

in the game i DM'd, one of my party members (a physad musclegirl punch machine) fell in love with herr brackhaus instantly and now wants the dragon dong

Is there ever a benefit to AI actually going into Depth 7 and beyond?

>>50773408
You're A Boss Nigra.

>>50776209
Meanwhile everyone in my group is a decent metahuman who runs for his own reasons. Have his own code of honor and tries to not be an asshole. Hell in the last 6 runs we killed only 1 guy and thats because he was a piece of shit and we were paid to.
Are we that strange?

>>50776209
Not me, I consistently play folks who are of the opinion that you can't trust -any- immortal being further than you can lob ICBMs at them.

>>50776385
Granted, you can lob ICBMs at them from quite an impressive distance.

So I wanna make a John Wick-esque finesse based gun fighter, but don't want to be an adept or awakened at all and use relatively little big cyberware. Is it possible to do it viably? If so, how? I imagine edge would probably be key.

>>50776423
Bioware. An edge heavy build will also help.

>>50775050
How could you possibly know that?
Alao goddamn finally. AIs have had broken special snowflake rules for too long, which is a travesty given how important these themes are to the genre.

>>50776415
You think I want to be anywhere near to one of those fuckers when I try to off one of them!?

>>50773470
You're a shit GM and I really hope I never accidentally play with you.

>>50776385
Why the fuck is it the tropey thing to do for immortals to betray you?

They are IMMORTAL. They do not need to betray you. They just need to trade you some baubles in exchange for massive long term benefit.
Like, is revenge their hobby? Otherwise it is pointless to an immortal who can take a nap until you are dead.

Does munging work on deckers?
Or is it specifically for eating technomancers?

>>50774813
Literally every major fuckup with the Matrix after Echo Mirage has had dragon dickery involved in one way or another and you want to make one into an insane monstrosity lashed into a prison?
>>50776799
Same reason you don't make deals with dragons. You're so far below their frame of reference that they have no particular need to treat with you fairly, and working with them means you're getting involved in a plan that may have taken decades to reach this point; any enemies the immortal may have that are interested in this may consider you to be a weak link or acceptable collateral damage. >>50773470
You seem like the kind of person that wears a cape and drinks red wine from a goblet at the gametable.

>>50776900
>Insane imprisoned monstrocity robpot

This is the best fucking idea. Mechagodzilla here we come!

>>50776799
I wish I had that really nice screen cap from a while back, but I'll summarize.

Imagine that you are the age you are now, and like, maybe 20 or so other folks are well, but everyone else in the world stopped aging at around 3.

The shit you can do compared to them is god like. Sure, you're in trouble if they get sticks from your backyard and charge you, but in truth, there's very little they can do to you, and you can run rings around them mentally.

"Betrayal" is a word for equals. A Dragon doesn't betray folks. He uses them exactly as he intended to use them, and if they are broken in the usage, that's just because the dragon didn't give a damn if the tool was broken in the usage or not.

>>50775700
Clockwork is very well alive atm, you turd, considering he gave plenty of shadowtalk in recent supplements like rigger 5.

>>50776288
Plenty if you are rigging a Drone with Pilot Heritage.
Because then, your Depth is used as a substitute for a fuckton of things, eg Pilot and thus the agility of your arms

Can someone think of a good actual play episode in which the party goes through a cool combat encounter?

I just want to listen to/watch a group going through combat in Shadowrun for some reason.

>>50776952
No he definitely got a bullet in the head from netcat. It was very -very- final. It must have happened after rigger 5.

>>50776948
But I usemy tools and minions well. They're mine, I don't want them to break. And if they do, I repair them.

>>50777015
>dragon repairs you
>welcome to being a cyberzombie

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>>50777011
Considering the lack of books coming out after Rigger 5, that sounds like bullshit.
Which Novel is this crap supposed to be in?

>>50777049
Acceptable!

>>50777068
Dark Resonance Gonna go read Rigger 5 though.

>>50776209

How do dragons go about courting in this day and age, anyway?

Aside from "carefully".

Could get a reasonably fun string of runs out of two dragons exchanging clandestine affections at range. Rare flowers, their very DNA sequenced with messages of romantic poetry. Security trucks that turn out to be filled with high-quality dragon-digestion-friendly chocolates, worth more than their weight in gold. Hyper-encrypted files escorted through the Matrix under a barrage of journalistic and corporate espionage, finally unpackaged by their recipient to reveal draconic dick pics.

>>50777476
we have absolute no clue at all. Canonically, nobody even knows if dragon eggs are around in this day and age, except that the assumption is that great dragons must reproduce -somehow-

>>50777494
Do you guys think that Lofwyr is a virgin? If so, do you think he claims to be asexual?
Asking for a friend.

>>50777049
>>50777015
>>50776948

>The draconic equivalent of that guy who has a huge, disturbingly pristine toolshed with racks and racks of carefully organized, perfectly maintained tools and equipment of every size for every purpose, including that set of bizarrely shaped wrenches that only work on a particular kind of nut that was only produced in a short-lived eastern european country in the last century.

>>50777317
>>50777068
Okay, I need to figure out when Rigger 5 was published canonically and when dark resonance was.

>>50777494

And there are apparently males and females, which has implications.

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>>50777476
Since it came up in my game, via the technomancer getting kanoodled by the dragon, I homebrewed that dragons dont have the same idea of relationships as we have (duh).
In the fluff, dragons only ever seem to have one known parent, so I made up that for dragons creating an offspring is more of a massive investment, than a result of love/lust.

They still reproduce sexually, but the resulting egg always stays with one parent who pays the other an exorbitant amount of assets and favors for the "service" of helping make n offspring.
After that, the other parent's involvement basically stops and interfering with the offspring in any way is seen as a break of contract.
Because no dragon wants to SHARE such a valuable asset as a perfectly loyal young dragon with another dragon.

Dragons still have sex for fun, too, butt it's usually more an "asserting dominance" sort of thing.

Still chasing my dream of a rigger/samurai, currently wondering if i should adjust my priorities. Currently they are; Race D, Stats C, Magic E, Skills B and resources A. Race, magic and resources are obviously "set" but i was wondering if i should swap Stats and Skills.

>>50776973
Cool. What rating should I be aiming for? 2, 3, or is even 1 enough?

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>>50777624
>>50777494
As for why there is apparently no eggs around this time, I decided that Dragons need magic assistance to progress though their life stages (egg - hatchling - young dragon - adult dragon - great dragon) And that eggs don't hatch until their parent (or some mana anomaly) makes them hatch.
And compared to the lifespan of most dragons, the 6th age has been incredibly turbulent and chaotic so far. Not a good time to raise a hatchling and risk losing it.

>>50777494
>if dragon eggs are around in this day and age
They are. 4e Clutch of dragons talks about some runners who had to steal some dragon eggs, delivered them to the johnson, who subsequently smashed them
and Conspiracy Theories talks about some cruise missiles that went off course towards madagascar. The cave system they were headed to was rumored to contain an egg repository

so there are eggs, we just don't know if any greats have them

>>50776948
>>50777476
Dragons are two things. Apex predators, and hoarders of valuable things. To get their attention you have to be one of either, and that means they're either going to kill you, sabotage you long enough to kill you, or own you. If you're anything less important, then you don't get their attention. Which gives them a kind of psychohistory bent, as they couldn't give less of a shit about most people, but still make them dance to their tune.

>>50777624
>I homebrewed that dragons dont have the same idea of relationships as we have. They still reproduce sexually, but the resulting egg always stays with one parent who pays the other an exorbitant amount of assets and favors for the "service" of helping make n offspring.
I wouldn't suggest they have relationships. Or sex.

>Dragon eggs are a little like alligator eggs, except it’s a lot more complex and goes way beyond boy or girl. A newly laid dragon egg is pretty much a blank slate. e form of the dragon that’s born from the egg is created by the aura of the dragon that nurtures the egg. Dragon type is determined by an aura imprint of the dragon that ‘sits’ on the egg through development. And this is the really important part: no development occurs without a dragon nurturing the egg. It doesn’t die; it stays on hold until a nurturing aura gives it what it needs to develop. A dragon can keep an egg for a long time until she—or he—has the time to nurture it through development. How much time is needed? She told me producing a dragon requires three hundred and sixty days for the proper aura to completely imprint, and then another forty days for the newborn’s body to be strong enough to break out of the shell.

>>50777762
Clutch Of Dragons does mention different dragons having eggs. Just read the bit about the great sea dragon preparing for the 400 days required to nurture multiple eggs, which would produce 12 new great sea dragons.

>>50777599
Dark Resonance was canonically supposed to be sometime before 2072, but it got updated for SR5 as part of >lol delayed for three years.
Also, it's fucking awful. Also Clockwork doesn't get shot in that book? Slamm-O! punches him with his weirdly-fit man-hands and then he gets arrested by the PCC police.

>>50777852
>12 new anti-metahuman great dragons shutting down all trade in the oceans of the world

What is this? Arpeggio of Blue Steel?

just a reminder that the Sea Dragon is currently the most powerful dragon

>>50777929
I coulda sworn he gets shot in the back of the head finally... damn. I guess I'm just misremembering.

>>50777852
it would produce young hatching. To become a great dragon you need few thousand years under your belt. Only after that do they move from adulthood to great dragoning

>>50777949
What you've done is made me remember that fucking book.
Fucking blood magic hacker otaku dwarf bounty hunter, god damned hestaby out of nowhere, 'this company has no physical assets! It has to be an AI PRETENDING to be a company!'

Urghhhh.

>>50777812

I doubt dragons don't have sex. For one thing, they appear to be biological creatures in addition to magical, and function using roughly similar biology to other flesh-and-blood creatures of the world they live in; metahumans also have flesh bodies and magic, after all, dragons simply have both to a much greater degree. They have a heart and bones and other organs. And all other vertebrate lifeforms have sex - some rare species gave it up, but they went through it at some stage and still have vestigial elements of it - so why not dragons? It's an advantage, overall. Besides, if they were sexless, then they would all probably identify either as asexual beings or as one sex, rather than some dragons calling themselves male and others calling themselves female.

Plus, if you want to draw lines between Earthdawn and Shadowrun, there's speculation that some of the dragons are the same individuals, and in Earthdawn there was a female dragon noted as being unusual in that she raised her children herself. Which implies both sex and some form of traditional gender type behaviour.

>Dragons are two things. Apex predators, and hoarders of valuable things. To get their attention you have to be one of either, and that means they're either going to kill you, sabotage you long enough to kill you, or own you.

This makes me think of dragon courtship as possibly being a super long, drawn out process over centuries and millennia of individual pairs attempting to maneuver themselves into a position of absolute total dominance over the other's every potential asset. Which would mean a) dragon "romance" would consist mostly of intense rivalry and war by proxy coupled with posturing displays of how desirable a mate one is and b) I'm pretty sure all the dragons in shadowrun are just trying to get into each others' pants.

>>50777476
I want to write a campaign around this now.

>>50778082
>All dragons are tsundere
I like where this is going.

>>50774448
Then don't take jobs that require that kind of infiltration. Jobs don't get offered to teams that have the wrong makeup top complete them.

hmmmmm
scariest thing in shadowrun: awakened blue whale.
Yes or No?

>>50778256
Why would that be scary? Do blue whales naturally attack humans?

>>50778256
I really want to know how that could possibly be more terrifying than the Horrors or a Great Dragon.

>>50778082
>I doubt dragons don't have sex. For one thing, they appear to be biological creatures in addition to magical, and function using roughly similar biology to other flesh-and-blood creatures of the world they live in
Here's the difference; I cannot make your unborn child racially closer to me by sitting near your wife. Dragons do that, sans wife.

>in Earthdawn there was a female dragon noted as being unusual in that she raised her children herself
Dragons exchange eggs.

>>50778300
>>50778336
Alright listen. An awakened koala is vicious drop bear. Awakened armadilo is 14 meters big machine of destruction. What happens when you take creature as big as a dragon in normal state and apply awakened shenanigans on it ?

>>50778382
A creature that's still restricted to the oceans and thus entirely irrelevant to almost everything.

>>50778382
The Sea Dragon obviously. Which means >>50778395

>>50778395
>Innate Spell: Levitate

>>50778382
Koalas are natural born killers already though. Never encountered an armadilo but they look pretty shifty to me also. I see no reason why an awakened blue whale would necessarily be some sort of demon.

>>50778407
>Innate Biology: Adapted solely for an ocean environment where it's able to float, and if it ever leaves that, it'll immediately be crushed

>>50778256
the term you are looking for is "Leviathan"

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>>50778411
>Koalas are natural born killers already though
This is true. We're just fortunate that they eat a shitty diet, aren't very active, and are restricted to Australia.

>>50778411
Twist of fate. A peaceful blue whale turns into a vicious beast that is extremely territorial and can destroy ships with its sonar cannon.
>>50778395
>Irrelevant
well its not like 80% of the worlds shipping is done by sea or anything

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While I'm posting koala claws; they could almost pass for HMHVV infected hands.

>>50777624
Why is the GM asking that question?


This comic's inaccuracy's and plotholes are making me upset

>>50778699
The GM is the little guy between the dragon's boobs. The PC is still looking behind the DM's screen though, which is pretty poor form.

>>50777494
>>50777762
Read Earthdawn's Dragons book; it's floating around the web as a PDF. It explains how the dragon reproductive cycle works:

Basically, two adult dragons get together, and then give the eggs to a Great Dragon to raise; the Great Dragon uses telepathy to teach them about being a dragon when they're in the egg, and when they hatch, the hatchlings give themselves their own names. The Great Dragon continues taking care of them until they hit puberty, at which point they regress into non-sapience; that's what all the dragon-like non-sapient Critters are: teenage dragons. The ones who survive this period eventually mature into adult dragons and regain their sentience, and the cycle starts all over again, and it continues until they attain the status of Great Dragon and stop reproducing themselves and start looking after other dragons' babies instead.

The dragons keep this all a closely guarded secret because of how vulnerable teenage dragons are, during their non-sapient stage. They're afraid that the next generation of dragons might get hunted into extinction by metahumans if it becomes publicly known.

>>50778810
>The dragons keep this all a closely guarded secret because of how vulnerable teenage dragons are, during their non-sapient stage. They're afraid that the next generation of dragons might get hunted into extinction by metahumans if it becomes publicly known.
>metahumanity could potentially hunt the next generation of dragons to extinction
OMAE

GET THE EX-EX ROUNDS

>>50778022
So, I clicked "update Chummer", and when the program closed, now it won't open. It just gives the error message "The given key was not present in the dictionary" in the Chummer5 Crash Reporter window.

>>50778922
Can't reproduce it, but the error generally indicates a missing string in the language file. Can you try downloading the new update manually from github.com/chummer5a/chummer5a/releases/latest and see if you get the same issue?

Poorfag here, anyone know where I can get a free pdf of 5e's Run Faster?

>>50779043
OP

>>50779063
Fuck I'm an idiot, thanks anon.

>>50778950
There we go, it's working now. Maybe it was a bug in a nightly build or something? I'm assuming that you've got authentication to make sure that the updates don't get corrupted during downloading, right?

>>50778950
For some reason, in the new version, it's not counting the Karma costs for skill, attributes, or qualities?

>>50777476
There us a running joke with me and my friend that somewhere in the darkest corner of the matrix there is a secret dating site for dragons.

It just tickles me imagining Loftwyr's profile page.

>>50779223
There's MD5 matching in place to ensure that the file is downloaded properly, but I've never run into a reason for proper file replacement management.
>>50779460
Can't replicate it, show me an affected character file.

>>50779666
a.pomf.cat/njxxpf.chum5

It's happening to all of my character files, though, even the ones that were working properly on the previous versions.

>>50779947
Also, since it might be related somehow, I get a crash with an "Object reference not set to an instance of an object" error when I try to open the Options menu. I just tried opening it to see if there was anything I could do to troubleshoot and it crashed the program.

>>50779947
Oh, found the problem. Sorry, wasn't sure what you meant. Updated in the latest nightly.

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>>50774448
Do it. All you have to do, if you need to go undercover as a not-Azzie, is spend some nuyen on makeup.

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>>50775746
The Orange Queen used to be on Shadowlands all the time, and IIRC she did drop one line in a 5e book that confirms she has Jackpoint access.

>>50773470
This doesn't bother me all that much, honestly. I don't know what the big deal here is, as long as the GM knows what a cyberzombie actually is, and the player is going to roleplay one. The other players can become handlers for this new weapon.

Also
>1 million nuyen
>beta ware
It's going to be a shitty cyberzombie. I made one for shits and giggles and got up to 3 mil, and aren't they supposed to use deltaware?

>>50778378
>Here's the difference; I cannot make your unborn child racially closer to me by sitting near your wife.

Have you tried lately? Think about it. Why are there so many racially homogeneous communities? And, of course, you get the most mixing of races in densely-populated areas, like cities, where the fetus is getting a lot of mixed signals.

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>>50777595
Literally Lofwyr. I imagine he has a secret multi-story warehouse with little models of all his employees, perfectly created from S-K and subsidiary biorecords.

and if they do something to displease him he smushes them, activating the cranial bomb they didn't know they had

Why would you take Move-by-Wire over wired reflexes?

>>50780369
This probably explains why my son is black.

>>50778428
>Innate Ain't Gotta Explain Shit: Dragons don't make biological sense either, nor does practically any other Awakened creature. Just rub some magic into it until it's all better.

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>>50780388
You're old and refuse to go under the knife again. You don't care about Essence and want to most gofast for your nuyen. You want a skillwires set as well as the init boost.

>>50778428
wouldn't levitate recreate the natural biology?

Apparently levitate can safely move you at mach 5 if you're a good enough mage... if it has the shock-absorbance to deal with all of that pressure wash, then surely it can support the weight of a super-massive creature as well?

>>50780388
Because it will at 2nd level and about give you more initiative than wired reflexes and a free skill wire. And because it's cool. Also move by wire is always on, where as wired reflexes needs to be activated, this doesn't often come up since your sammy is likely to have his wired reflexes on if he's on the job, but if caught napping can be the difference between life and death.

>>50780388
you don't intend to run it 24/7 so that you don't end up with nervous damage from overusage.

Is it a good idea to have a Police Chief for a contact?

What sort of reasons would they have to know a SINless loser?

>>50780549
>Good idea
Maybe. Depending on loyalty and location having a police chief on your side could be pretty damn handy. Potential "get out of jail free" card in your pocket.

>Why would they know you
Maybe you feed them a little info now and then. Maybe you saved their ass once a while back when they were in the wrong part of town. Maybe you have a fake SIN and interacted with them while using the fake. All sorts of reasons mate.

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>>50777476
>>50777624
>>50777812
>>50778082
>>50779575

>>50780595
>What sort of reasons would they have to know a SINless loser?

Because you're a teenage girl who decided to become a criminal shadowrunner as an act of rebellion against her daddy. ;)

>>50780549
The major problem you'll have is that unless your GM was stupid enough to allow Friends in High Places, you're pretty much talking about a Connection 6, Loyalty 1 contact that's going to have a LOT of reasons not to help you out with most of the shenanigans you might want to get him to help you with.

>>50780526
Read that again, chummer.

>>50773421
I'm playing a vampire next game and can't wait to show off my average of 4 init passes

Newbie with 0 session experience here. Going to play my first game on saturday.

Can anyone tell me in what situation would I use Control Action over Control Thought?

So if my group wants to rob a small casino, most likely one run by organized crime, and the GM isn't going to make it easy, what's all the legwork that needs to be done? And I'm not talking about stealing some chips here, I want to get into the vault and clean it out. So far I've thought up
>get maps of the building, complete with security patrols and schedules
>scout out all magical security, find any exploitable weaknesses
>scout out all cyber security, find any exploitable weaknesses
>have a means of sneaking serious armor and weapons past the security at the front door (smuggle them in, stash them in an air vent ahead of time?)
>be able to sneak in any magic-users we need undetected
>find out just how much loot there actually is to steal, so we bring enough duffel bags and getaway vehicles to haul it all away
>acquire getaway vehicles and duffel bags
>prepare a convenient distraction that will cause the security guys to ask all the civilians to leave, but not one that will cause them to call for backup
>acquire and prepare enough explosives to leave no evidence behind

Am I missing something? It feels like there's something face-related that needs to be on that list.

>>50780521
Does it still give more if you add reaction enhancers into the mix?

>>50780758
Also.. is Ball lightning a good backup spell for anything that can't be control (drone,vehicle, etc.)

>log 2
>int 1
What kind of ditz am I looking at?

>>50780758
Control Action lets you use your own skills instead of theirs; handy if you want to do something like a hermetic medic turning an enemy combatant into another set of healing hands, or if the elf shaman wants to distract everyone by having the nerdy guy in the office suddenly burst into beautiful and impassioned singing that makes all the ladies swoon.

Any "Shadowrun beginners guide" or anything like people could recommend? 5e in particular.

>>50780866
They're slightly below average academically, and relatively non-intuitive. Don't expect any stunning linguistic feats or insights into any given topic.

>>50780866
You know that blonde chick that couldn't get your order right at starbucks? That kind.

>>50780388
Free skillwires, and it stacks with drugs. 30+5d6 init here I come

>>50780866
>>50780933
That's crippling retarded

You're looking at this beauty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfq3c4Cf1Fs

>>50780960
>that's crippling retarded
Heh.

>>50780870
For the first example... wouldn't that be 0 net gain since you have to use your own complex action to control enemy action?

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>>50780911
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>>50780952
>implying anyone here goes to Starbucks
I'm just going to assume that's equivalent to the waitress who messes up my burger order at the pub and puts tomatoes on it.

>>50780960
Ricky gets by just fine.

>>50780979
But he would be the one out there in the line of fire stitching up your buddy while you hang out in cover.

>>50781012
Where do you go for coffee? Star bucks has the best caffeine to cash ratio of any of the big chains and I think it tastes the best.

>>50780367
No, they're not supposed to use deltaware. You actually want the lowest-grade ware your can get your hands on. Cyberzombies get bigger bonuses the further into the negatives their essence goes.

>>50781030
I just make it at home, like a fucking savage.

>>50781050
If only I had the time in the mornings.

Which anthroform drones are the best, bang-for-buck wise?

>>50781031
Not sure about now, but back in the day the treatment required the client to have deltagrade.

>>50781063
Direktionssekretar.

>>50780994
I didn't connect "cloud file storage" to faq/resources. Plus, while the rule books are very useful, a beginners guide would still be useful as it's a fairly different system than I've used before.

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>>50781066
A delta clinic is still the requirement in the fiction. Anon is talking about the minmaxy way of doing it in 4e.

>>50781050
Same. Though I do buy the starbucks brand for it. Barely have to add anything to get it tasting just right.

>>50781059
It is very rare for me to leave the house before I make coffee. Wake up earlier and join the cult of caffeine.

>>50781066
I don't recall it specifying. I admit I assumed it was delta since if you have the resources to make a cyberzombie you damn well have the resources to get deltaware.

>>50781096
I wake up early enough that I need to shell out like two bucks every day to buy coffee after I've left the house. Most mornings I barely have time to brush my teeth let alone eat something at home.

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>>50773052
Hey /srg/

I might be playing shadowrun 5e for the first time at some point in the future. Save for reading the core rulebook, is there anything else I need to do or know?

pic unrelated

>>50781063
Depends what you want. Expendable suicide bomber? Criado Juan. Secretary and swedish massage expert? Direktionssekretar. Robogirlfriend? I-Doll.

>>50781121
Reading some of the fluff of the area your game's set in might be worth.

>>50781059
>>50781096
How is it taking time to do? You turn the kettle on when you start making your breakfast, you pour the coffee about 3 minutes later when the toast is done. If you have one of those fancy machines, it's even faster.

>>50781117
Then turn it on when you go to brush your teeth. Brush your teeth and while brushing walk to the kitchen. It takes 30 seconds of effort, and I am damn sure you don't get paid more than the price of a coffee in 30 seconds to make your laziness worth it.

>>50781076
>>50781126
Yeah, I figured the Direktionssekretar would be the best overall, I should've rephrased that.

After that, what are the best droids? Does a Juggernaut's 12 possible strength ever justify it being used? How careful should I be with a qt i-doll? So on and so forth.

>>50781117
Quick math time.
>$2/day = $14 a week
>That's about $56 a month
>1 11oz bag of grounds is about $7
>This lasts me week and a half, making 4 cups a day
>That's about $28 a month
That extra money will easily pay back the costs of a coffee maker and filters (like a dollar for 100 filters or some shit). Wake up earlier and make it at home.

>>50781146
I think you misread my post. I said that it is very rare for me to leave BEFORE I make coffee.

>>50781151
>Does a Juggernaut's 12 possible strength ever justify it being used?
Not really, you can buy 4 steel lynxes for the same money and get better gundrone uses out of them.
>How careful should I be with a qt i-doll?
Always install armor 3 in case you get a little too rough one night, more if you're planning to go full BDSM on her.

>>50780960
Nope. There are qualities for crippling retarded. This is just not good at things.

>>50781192
You told him to wake up earlier. He doesn't have to wake up any earlier, he just needs to rearrange his time to spend the spare seconds appropriately.

>>50778022
No, clockwork is dead as of Dark Resonance.

He very definitely gets a bullet in the head.

>>50781248
Mate, he simply said he had no time in the morning. We don't know why. For all we know he's the sort that wakes up 5 minutes before they have to leave so they don't have time to do anything but put on clothes that don't smell too funny and start running.

That's why I told him to start waking up earlier. Without more specific details all I can do is assume he can't make his morning routine more efficient.

>>50781265
As another anon said, when is that in game time compared to Rigger 5.0? He made comments there.

It would be hilarious if he was a Ghost in the Machine.

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>>50778921
DEUS VULT

>>50781063
>>50781076
Only if the DM decides anthro drones can wear people armor. If not, then you're stuck with the Juggernaut cuz it's the only one that can get enough armor to not immediately get smashed in a firefight.
>>50781151
No, juggernauts are basically slightly better than a steel lynx, but with an absurd price tag. Remember ed209 from robocop? That's the juggernaut.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRDl5_-wJ0Y

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>>50781265

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>>50781586
>>50781563
>>50781265

>>50780620
GMs would be stupid for allowing Friends in High Places? Why? Do they think the player would abuse it? 'Cause the description of it kinda says "don't abuse it retard or your GM will make you suffer"

>>50781030
a promo code for one free starbucks drink has been sent to your email

>>50781563
>>50781586
>>50781594
It's more than likely later in the book, because every source I am reading has it saying that clockwork is dead.

>>50780620
So if I wanted somebody who was 'in' with law enforcement, I'd be better off picking a lower connection higher loyalty contact who would have reasons to help out?

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>it costs AI five karma -per program-
Who the heck was in charge of that idea?

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>>50781770
Depends what you want to do. One guy I played with used the Supply Sargeant archetype for a contact, played as the guy in charge of cleaning out the evidence locker. The PC got first dibs on everything that was going to go up for auction, and by building up the relationship in-game got to the point where some stuff may have accidentally been sold off before it was supposed to do and all records of the sale got corrupted.

>>50781548
>decides
They explicitly can. It states that extremely clearly.

>>50781931
Neat. Sorry, this is gonna sound dumb, but is there a place I can read up about the contact archetypes?

Is their any books where I can read about dissonance in depth? The descriptions in the 5e books aren't really giving me much info.

>>50781977
Where is that stated?

>>50782034
there*

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>>50781991
They're all over the place. There's a bunch in Run Faster, a few in Core, probably a couple others here and there. I don't recommend Chummer as a reference tool, but you can use it to try and find sauce.

And of course, any half-competent GM can make whatever as a contact; they don't even need to fully stat out the character, just their Charisma and related skills.

>>50782052
Rigger 5.0.

>>50782059
Sorry, that's part of why I asked, I don't see anything in Chummer showing me where to find examples of X archetype. I guess it's easy enough to piece together from what I already know.

>>50781658
The problem with it is that only two things can really happen; either the GM lets you contact your person (Who can reasonably be expected to be someone like a COO of a AAA corporation, media personalities on par with Nadja Davlar, etc. etc.) in which case he's now got to think of complications that are relevant to the plot that your super best friend would introduce, let you off the hook and just have your super best friend do shit for you, or go 'No, they're too busy for you' ad infinitum until you realise you've wasted 8 Karma and everyone's time.

if that's the kind of campaign your GM wants to run then it's fine, but every time I see this quality come up it's in what amounts to a street-level campaign, and the player expects to be able to use it as a get-out-of-jail-free card.
>>50781770
What do you actually *want* the guy to do? If you want to get out of the drunk-tank early, you probably want like a connection 2/3, loyalty 4/5 admin officer. A Connection 8/Loyalty 1 contact may as well be Mr. Johnson because anything you want him to do for you is gonna wind up costing you a job in favours.
>>50781765
There isn't any 'later in the book'. Clockwork gets carted off at page 918 of 1087 and that's the last time he's referenced.

>>50782128
>Connection 12/Rating 6 Lofwyr
What happens?

>>50782244
Congrats, you're a drake.

>>50782244
>What happens?
See
>>50780372
>and if they do something to displease him he smushes them, activating the cranial bomb they didn't know they had

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>>50782244
You made a deal with a dragon.

What does Sleeping Tiger actually look like?

>>50782244
You get kidnapped by his enemies as leverage, but he's Loyalty 6 to you, so he starts a crazy world war to save your ass.

>>50782128
Well damn. I made a character with a Fixer that has connections 10 loyalty 6.
I figured since loyalty 6 means "friends for life: the contact and the character will go to the wall for each other, if that's what it takes" it would make for cool plot hooks regarding dire circumstances.
I also figured that would therefore mean never using the contact to do stuff for him (no jobs, gear, or "favors") out of genuine fear of getting his bff screwed over and vice versa.

>>50782292
>the Dragon Civil War was about Loffy rescuing his BFF
>they were taken by Sirrurg, who just wanted someone who wasn't scared of him

>>50782292
Then the Friends in High Places quality is basically a plot device? Sounds pretty fuckin' sick to me.

>>50782278
Latex/PVC sleeves, chain link belts, barbed wire cuffs, and built-in gun holsters.

You look like a reject from a 1980s hip-hop video wearing shit you salvaged from an industrial dumpster.

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>>50782329
This literal drek is supposed to be 'fashionable'?
You can't do this to me.
I demand a better looking outfit.

>>50782296
>Connection 10
>But I won't use him as a contact because he's my besto friendo husbando
You... Do know that not everyone you know has to be a contact, right?

>>50782278
Super trashy.

And by trashy, I mean it literally looks like you assembled a suit out of garbage.

>>50782357
They don't?

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>Forced to work for one of Ghostwalker's Drake
>Forced as in cranial bomb
>Big G likes what we did so much that he offers us a full-time job, we can't refuse of course.

How did it get this wrong.

>>50782244
I'm unsure why the fuck you're shadowrunning... you'd be Lowfyr's bff, he'd probably be putting you in charge of whatever your talents perfectly suited you for.

Fuck, I'm just having cognitive dissonance over the idea of Lowfyr having that much loyalty to anyone not an immortal...

>>50782383
You dealt with a dragon.

>>50782388
Maybe you're something ageless and you're just running for kicks.

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>>50782357
To be fair, as the GM I wouldn't let someone have a super-powerful BFF that wasn't paid for mechanically, because inevitably they're going to get involved in the PC's life, and even if that player has the discipline not to use them the other players won't.

As well, it does reinforce some of the cyberpunk themes to constantly have that price there. "You paid so much karma for this guy, and he could really help you out. Sure, it might cause a bit of trouble for him, but haven't you earned that?"

>>50782383
you dealt with a dragon.

Also Ghostwalker is a dick but he's not at the top of the dick-dragon list.

You could be Sirrurg's drake, or Lowfyr's, or the Sea Dragon's. All of those options suck balls like nobody's belief.

At least Ghostwalker just has you oppressing metahumans so that his spirit waifu feels safe.

>>50782395
So you're Harlequinn?

That or a free spirit who just woke up after a slumber so long you barely remember anything, but Lowfyr remembers you.

You're the free spirit who helped him survive his nonsapient stage and to survive through draconic adulthood until he became a great dragon during the middle 4th age.

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>>50782410
>>50782389
I mean it's not like we had a choice. The Vory had a dirty bomb under the city and we kind of just stumbled in the middle of a giant shitstorm.

I guess being paid 75k for being the equivalent of Judge Dredd in Denver is okay.

>>50782357
Well I'm new to the game so I don't know how much weight it carries if I say "my character's best friend is a highly respected fixer in his AAA megacorp."
I thought it be kind of like >>50782409 is saying about a mechanical cost.

Lads, which decade/edition/year did the Ares Roadmaster debut in?

>>50781096
>I don't recall it specifying. I admit I assumed it was delta since if you have the resources to make a cyberzombie you damn well have the resources to get deltaware
It was mentioned in 4e, I don't remember the book.

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>Cutting Aces has a section on what Spinrad's doing

yay

>it's followed by a section on magic faerie bullshit

boo

>>50782274
Is there some weird reason that leather dusters from core have never, ever been added?

>>50782409
Why would they have to be involved in the PC's life? Just because you can play seven degrees of kevin bacon with the Pope doesn't mean he's going to christen your daughter.
>>50782459
The way I figure it, if you're making a contact and their Connection or Loyalty would justifiably be 0 in most interactions you could have with them, they shouldn't be a contact. You can still have them as background characters to your story, but without a mechanical impact there's no reason to have them them cost chargen resources.
>tl;dr your mother doesn't need to be a contact

So take your best friend; he knows you're a shadowrunner and kind of wishes you'd give up the life, you know he's got strict quotas about the stuff he can let loose for cheap and tries to keep his head down about local corporate politics. At best he'll be resistant to helping you out with finding stuff to purchase, making him a 2/5 contact.
>tl;dr A contact's Connection doesn't need to represent the full scope of their abilities, just what they're willing to do for you.
>>50782531
It's been around since at least Rigger 2, I don't have any of my 1st edition books handy to confirm earlier than that.
>>50782652
Hmm? (Synth)Leather, Clothing, refer to page 437, SR5.

>>50782677
437, Leather Duster. Oh well.

>>50782677
>Just because you can play seven degrees of kevin bacon with the Pope doesn't mean he's going to christen your daughter.

Yeah, but if you're Richard Branson, and you get a call from one of your best friend's shitty criminal buddies saying that Steve has been riddled with bullets on neutral ground and is bleeding out, you might decide to pay for an ambulance to go get him.

>>50782359
Sorta this, but with the exception that it doesn't look like shit to the 2070 mind.

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>>50782767
It still kinda does. It's like ghetto chic - someone spent thousands of dollars on an outfit to look like someone who spent $20 at KongWalMart.

>>50782688
Oh, I see what you're talking about. For some reason it's listed as a mod. Because you might want to buy a 100,000¥ suit and slap on 200¥ of synth-leather, I guess?

So the current setup is that you buy a Clothing item and then add the (Synth)Leather mod.
>>50782731
Sure, but non-contact Richard Branson is probably too busy to pick up then and there.

What I'm trying to say is that there is, or should be, a difference between a person your character knows, and a person your character knows will be there for them when they need them. The latter is a contact, to my mind. The former is window-dressing.

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>>50782830
>a difference between a person your character knows, and a person your character knows will be there for them when they need them

Where I draw the line is a person the character knows vs. a person the character knows can be useful.

There can be flakey contacts who aren't always there for you (low Loyalty), and there are so many situations and ways you could use 'this guy is blood brothers with Vogel' that giving them that link without paying karma feels cheap to me. It's one thing if it's your mom or a guy who works at McHugh's, but Connection 10 is obscenely powerful and influential. Even if he doesn't like that you run the shadows, there are so many ancillary benefits of being in that guy's social circle (for one, even if he wants to keep your relationship on the downlow there are so many networking opportunities the face will need to cast Orgasm on themselves to calm down) that it's worth the karma.

I get your point about lowering their practical rating based on how much they can and want to actually risk for you, but even still I wouldn't allow that across my table without a serious long conversation with the player, and the knowledge that karma costs may increase without prior notice if they lean into the relationship.

>>50782803
Only partly ghetto chic - it's also part 2060s / 70s modern executive style. Good enough to get you into swanky places, bad enough that your exit will be some trog throwing you through a window.

>>50782677
>It's been around since at least Rigger 2, I don't have any of my 1st edition books handy to confirm earlier than that.
1st-3rd editions are all in the 50s right?

Where can I find the novels in electronic format? Specifically looking for technobabel.

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Guys, one of my players has a Corp Mr.Johnson ex-gf as a Contact. He also has a Limited Corp SIN quality. How can his contact fuck over his life for the honor of grorious zaibatsu with a smile?

>>50783316
>contacts
>fucking player over
You best be paying him karma to take that negative contact

>>50783316
With the flimsiest of excuses. If the player complains that it makes no sense, remind him that he made the contact an EX-GIRLFRIEND

Also this better have some context 'cause right now you're sounding like a shitty GM.

>>50783341
He took it (and Corp Lim SIN) at chargen. I've been polite so far, they only meet for Gridflix and chill.

So, I want to play a poorly dubbed wire fu sword adept.

How do I get good at speaking so it sounds like I am a poorly translated wuxia flick?

>>50783367
Low rating lingua soft.

>>50783376
well, okay, but I mean out of character so I can properly roleplay it.

>>50783367
>>50783376
Oh actually talking like a dub IRL?
Just watch a whole bunch of them and try and get used to the awkward speech patterns.

>>50783345
I don't want to fuck him over any worse than he would realistically be, so if I'm off base let me know.

Basically he's got a Control Rig, no job as far as Daddycorp can tell, and is still getting some type of income. While living in the heart of Seattle. I'm under the impression Mitsuhama will try to leverage the very obvious Shadowrunner they have that's not helping them make money.

>>50783385
Seems sound advice.
It is a shame I can't add a grainy film effect any time I am talking, but such is life.

More newbie questions. How do I assume average hit while thoerycrafting? Is it the simple 3d = 1 hit?

Are there anyway to increase easily increase my dices? Since I want to be a manipulator, I'm seeing...

6 Magic 6 Spellcasting = 12
Mentor spirit Fire-bringer = +2
So normally I will cast at 14 pool = 3 hit?

If I have 8 Edge, I could spend it to push the limit and increase the pool to 22 dice = 7 hit?

What are the best spells a Mystic Adept can get early on? I got Ball Lightning, Stunbolt, and Improved Invisibility (for improved offense and sneaking capabilities) but if I should swap one of those out for something else (like Control Thoughts or whatever) I'm all ears.

>>50783409
>Basically he's got a Control Rig, no job as far as Daddycorp can tell, and is still getting some type of income
Unless the character is a complete retard, the income should be coming through seemingly legitimate means into their account, or being declared under false origins when they transfer it from credsticks.

>>50783409
>>50783612
>I'm under the impression Mitsuhama will try to leverage the very obvious Shadowrunner they have that's not helping them make money.
Also, if they're a SINner, RAW they should be getting taxed on everything. If they're not ... well, that's just asking for their shit to get fucked up.

What the fuck is the Artisan skill used for?

>>50783098
50's and 60's IIRC.

>>50783160
What do you mean? Because I believe the OP has the novels in addition to the rules.

>>50783381
Watch at fuck ton of ninja/samurai/martial arts movies. Ip Man is pretty damn cool. Dip into anime too.

>>50783430
Yes your average hit rate is going to be 1/3 your dice pool. You can take a specialisation for an extra 2 dice, and add a foci of the appropriate type. you can also get a bound spirit to add it's force to your dicepool as a service.

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>>50783612
I'll sit him down and help him build some alibi for his funding, but my query remains unanswered. He's basically signed a blank check for his mega to pull him in and I'm thinking of plot hooks.

>>50782064
I meant that more as in "what page, because I do not recall that"

>>50783896
Is that a condom or just a ring from his glass?

>>50783896
Just... have her give him jobs? Like, she's a johnson, that's what she does. Plus, cuz he's a corp citizen, he has to give some of the pay back in taxes.

>>50783920
Condom.

He's trying to get some of that qt bartender.

>>50784126
>implying he would get anywhere if he didn't use a coaster

>>50783855
Thanks. Is binding spirit worth it? Should I use it on my sustained / quicken spell to get the most out of it?

>>50784172
The condom is on top of the coaster it seems.

What are a few positive qualities that immediately jump out at you when you think of an adept with good social skills, sneaking, perception, assensing, and pistols?

>>50784541
Agile Defender

>>50784541
Mentor Spirit.

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The fuck.

>>50784569
>>50784578
Already done, and the mentor spirit is a bear so Willpower is as high as Agility.

Any other low cost qualities? I like the idea of a character with many good cheap ones.

>>50784616
Jack of all trades, fast (or was it rapid?) healer.

>>50784615
Failsafe against playing japanophile Characters
Baka Gajin

>>50784615
Nice alias, kid, you stay up all night thinking of that one?

>>50784615
>4/0 of 18/24
What the dick? Um. Try deleting your settings file.

>>50784723
It's for the Friends in High Places quailty, which seems to be broke since I don't get an error if I remove or replace it.

Alright I have 7 karma left for >>50784541 with >>50784616

I can't decide between analytical mind, catlike, cynic, natural athlete, quick healer, technical school education, tough as nails physical, watch the suit, or just saying fuck it and adding 14,000 nuyen to resources of 42,000

He's good enough in a fight to back up the street samurai, but he is supposed to be a social infiltrator first. Are any of these qualities worth more than the social infiltration gear I could get?

>>50784252
I would say so, you can have more than one spirit, they do more things for you and because they're prepped ahead of time, you can rely on them and not fall victim to a bad roll. and definitely use them on Quickened spells, just remember that the spirit's type has to match up with the spell class.

So.. I just try my hand on chummer5.

Is Jack of all trade, master of none quality broken? It cost me the same karma to buy skill whether I have it or not.

>>50785095
Are you in career mode?

>>50785213
Ah! thanks!

When I activate a sustained spell via alchemy spell preparation. Do I still take -2 penalty for sustaining spell?

>>50781078
Read the first link in the pastebin you fucking trog

>>50780456
Anon, we're talking about whales, not dragons.

>>50783788
There are no novels in the mega anymore, at least none I can find.

>>50783725
depends on the edition
4e or 5e?

Newbie here again. What kind of materials should I choose for Shape Meterial?

Thinking about steel,glass,concrete,plasteel and plasticrete. Are there any other commonly use materials in the 6th world?

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>>50783058
No, it still looks like shit. It's the sort of thing that a hipster would wear to look ironic. It's literally based on the clothing 'styles' that SINless orks and trolls would be forced to wear made out of salvaged trash when dumpster diving.

It's the sort of outfit that a normal businessman/executive would roll their eyes and criticize the hell out of you after you leave the room, because you're wearing something that's trashy as fuck as a high-end 'fashion statement.'

Something can still simultaneously be something that won't get you laughed out of the room to your face, but will still be seen as trashy enough that you won't get invited back.

>>50783514
I'd swap Ball Lightning and Stunbolt both out for Heal and Influence, personally.

>>50784541
>social skills
First Impression.

>perception
>pistols
Hawk Eye.

>>50786654
Nope.

>>50786777
t. tool looking like shit

>>50786777
Cool story, bro.

>>50786861
This desu.

>>50782329
>>50782349
>>50782359
Mother of god, how this possibly warrant +1 to social limit in 5e?

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>>50787010
>Mother of god, how this possibly warrant +1 to social limit in 5e?
Because it's still, technically, high fashion. People can tell that you spent a lot of money on it, and that they're 'supposed' to approve of it. But that doesn't change the fact that you look like some fashion school kid's project building a bespoke suit out of trash bags with sheet metal lapels and soda can tabs for buttons.

It's like when a hipster wears something that gets an initially good reception, but as soon as he's out of the room people are internally or externally rolling their eyes like 'that fucking guy.'

If you want a suit that actually looks good, go with Mortimer of London. Bespoke tailoring never goes out of style, and helps people with exotic body types look fucking smashing.

>>50787010
I mean this is from 4th ed. In 5th one of the shitposters on Run&Gun said that it was broth back but this time with hell of more resources put into it. So maybe the new version is not as shity as the one 10 years ago?

>>50787010
>Mother of god, how this possibly warrant +1 to social limit in 5e?


Because 5Es retardo authors didn't bother to look up the old shit.

>>50787069
The 'new resources' aren't an update to make it look less trashy, they're an update which gives it a Ruthenium Polymer Coating instead of having only four selectable color schemes.

>>50787010
Because it's expensive and isn't what a broke street punk would actually wear. Even if it's made to look like it.

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>>50787010
Because something can look trashy and expensive at the same time.

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>>50787075
i hope Vashion Island have updated the base model instead of offering the same look from 10 years ago. We are talking about high fashion here.

>>50787058
>If you want a suit that actually looks good, go with Mortimer of London. Bespoke tailoring never goes out of style, and helps people with exotic body types look fucking smashing.
I was thinking Executive Suite actually. 2,000 nuyen, 12 AV and unlike Mortimer with comparable AV you don't lose any armor when asked to put your coat in the coatroom.

>>50787075
>The 'new resources' aren't an update to make it look less trashy, they're an update which gives it a Ruthenium Polymer Coating instead of having only four selectable color schemes.
Yeah, because putting on something that trashy makes you wish you were invisible.

>>50787111
It's not the same base model, but it still follows from the same trends and philosophy of design. Sleeping Tiger is a specific line of suits, not an entire designer label.

You know, the same way a pair of Air Jordans is still recognizeable regardless of the year, even if Nike has progressed and changed significantly over the same period of time.

>>50787150
>I was thinking Executive Suite actually. 2,000 nuyen, 12 AV and unlike Mortimer with comparable AV you don't lose any armor when asked to put your coat in the coatroom.
I prefer Mortimer for the social bonuses - when I wear a suit, I want to look fucking incredible - but yes, if you're expecting to get shot while wearing your suit, the Executive Suite is probably a better choice than Mortimer of London, bespoke tailoring or not.

>>50787157
Yeah fair enough.
Well I guess my ork sam will have to turn the chains and other stupid parts invisible and change the colors. Lets see how good the RPC is on this shit.

Has the techno/AI book come out yet?

>>50787236
Executive Suite gets you almost the same protection and costs way less, though.

>>50787275
AIs are in Data Trails

No word on the Technomancer book, maybe LittleMac can shine some light on it.

>>50787275
It's just going to be a techno book, no AIs. We're not getting any additional AI support aside from Data Trails.

>>50787331
AIs are not in Data Trails, anon. I've read that book, and I very definitely remember there not being an AI chapter at all. The pages that people seem to quote are just entirely blank for some reason.

>>50787344
The fuck are you talking about?
Is this some attempt at sarcasm?

t. semi-autist

>>50787372
I want to play an AI.
The AI rules are so fucking terrible, poorly laid out, and Chummer (Back when I was trying to make AIs) handled them so poorly that putting my dick in a vice would have been a more enjoyable option than going through with actually making one.

So yes, sarcasm.

>>50787279
And not stack sleeping tiger with a coat and a ballistic mask?
Its like you are not expecting to get shot with a sniper at any giving second.

>>50787481
>And not stack sleeping tiger with a coat and a ballistic mask?
RAW is unclear, but I think RAI is that you can only wear coats with suits of the same line. Also,
>wearing a ballistics mask to a social function

>the sixth world - magic has returned to a world of technological marvels as humanity threatens to burn itself to the ground and dragons begin working in the shadows
>the fifth world - with little left but ingenuity and determination, humanity rebuilds civilization after the old one finishes collapsing
>the fourth world - the sentient races and their magical empires survive the Scourge by taking shelter in underground cities
>the third world - without magic for the first time, dragons fade into mere memory and humanity dominates the world for the first time in their absence
>the second world - lush with magic, dragons rule the skies and the mountains until the Horrors arrive to the earth; in an act of desperation, dragons partially sever the world's connection to the Astral, causing magic to wax and wane, hopefully protecting the world from the Scourge
>the first world - for eons, dragon civilization has been at its height among the ziggurats of Mars, coming to a sudden and violent end when the Horrors Scourge the planet clean of life, and the surviving dragons manage to somehow flee to their most verdant neighbor: Earth
How do you feel about the fact that dragons are literally Martians, /tg/?

>>50787387
Thanks for the clarification.
I actually built an AI though, works well as Streetsam.

>>50787595
>How do you feel about the fact that dragons are literally Martians, /tg/?
Wait, what? Where did this fluff come from?

>>50787622
IIRC they found dragon skeletons on mars

though I don't know if the stuff about the 1-3 world was explained anywhere

>>50787608
Mind giving some pointers or something?

I wanted to basically make an AI that used a mech as it's body, sorta tachikoma style.

>>50787962
Start with a Steel Lynx, upgrade it to Armor 15 and Pilot 6, hardwire in a Multidimensional Corprocessor for +1d6 Matrix (and therefore Physical) Initiative, install Personality Software, and then ignore the AI rules entirely.

>>50787962
Rigger Origins, 6 (or even 7) Depth. Then you pick a body and you become its Pilot Program.

>>50788265
>Pilot 6
>ignore the AI rules entirely
Solid 10/10 advice right here. If your GM insists on you making a meat character to go with the robot, make a mechanic/assistant who 'owns' you and is the 'official' member of the team because society can't accept that you're the real boss.

>>50786861
>>50786877
Sleeping Tiger is not garbage bags or recycled junk food packaging.

In 3e, it was 80s punk/executive. Chain link belts, fasteners, poly-latex sleeves, etc mixed with power ties, elevated collars, and draping shoulder cuts.

Whatever it is now, CGL haven't deigned to clarify, so it's probably still punk/executive. Just because you've gone all in on pushing your alt concept, doesn't make it so.

>>50788588
>Chain link belts
>poly-latex sleeves
I'm not seeing where it's not literally trash taken from a construction site and stapled into the shape of a suit.

>>50788629
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2013-Style-Distinctive-Women-Men-Full-Metal-Plate-Metallic-Bling-Gold-knitted-Waist-Belt-Wide-Chain/1576238625.html

http://www.shopmadeinchina.com/product-image/Genuine-Leather-Heavy-Metal-Punk-Chain-Men-s-Belt_210144481.shtml

Here's your belts. Do you need to be spoon fed latex clothing to get it?

>>50788673
If I saw someone wearing those in real life - especially that harley one - I'd say they were wearing poorly-repurposed garbage too.

>>50788673
>Do you need to be spoon fed latex clothing to get it?
No, I see enough lingerie in my fapping material thank you.

>>50788718
I'll keep that in mind next time I'm using you specifically to model the preferences of the sixth world, eh?

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>>50788800
Mate, it looks trashy, get over it.

What are the bonuses for attacking someone from stealth? The fact that people don't get a Defense test and that you end up with all the time you need to take Aim actions for Called Shots? Because I'm trying to figure out how I can one-shot guards from stealth to keep them from having time to call for reinforcements, and it seems like it's a crapshoot at best.

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>>50788800
Dude, it looks like trash, and even the fluff makes a point of talking about how it looks kinda shitty and people feel bad when they're expected to wear it. I know you want your stupid, overpowered trash-suit to not look like trash, but it does.

>>50788818
If you manage to get yourself into position unseen, your opponents get to make a REA + INT (3) test.

If they fail, they lose 10 initiative and are surprised until they actually can take an action. While surprised, characters cannot roll defense tests.

It'll depend on how many guards there are, how good you are and what weapon(s) you'll be using.

>>50788905
So even attacking from stealth, they can still manage to succeed on the defense test and dodge anyway?

Fuck, I see why people just go in guns blazing instead of trying to take out guards all sneaky.

>>50788923
Anon, anon, anon, you're looking at it the wrong way. What you want to do is be sneaky like a crocodile: sneak up right close to them so that when you hit them with everything you have in an explosion of aggression it's too late for them to do anything about it.

>>50788923
Hes, if they succeed on the REA + INT (3) test, they aren't surprised.

Tough, but it'll save your hide as well when (insert actually dangerous guys here) make a dynamic entry to kill your ass with extreme prejudice.

>>50788971
>>50788980
Right, but I'd like to be the guy who slips into a place unseen and slits guards' throats and breaks guards' necks in the night. But between them being able to make a Reaction+Intuition test to avoid even being surprised (regardless of how successfully I Sneak) and the fact that there's no real way to make a killing attack like that with a knife (short of being a Strength-augmented Troll) it just doesn't seem like a thing that even, well, exists.

I guess I'll be better at 'stealth' if I just get the heaviest gun I can possibly carry and simply win Initiative to kill guards before they get a chance to trigger an alarm.

>>50789042
>and the fact that there's no real way to make a killing attack like that with a knife (short of being a Strength-augmented Troll)
Knife adept powers. That said,
>I guess I'll be better at 'stealth' if I just get the heaviest gun I can possibly carry and simply win Initiative to kill guards before they get a chance to trigger an alarm.
You're not entirely wrong if you can find a suppressor for that gun.

>>50788923
>If the defender is unaware of an incoming attack (he does not see the attacker, the attacker is behind him, or he is surprised), then no defense is possible. Treat the attack as a Success Test instead. This does not apply to defenders who are already engaged in combat (see Character Has Superior Position, p. 187). If the defender is behind cover, the defense dice pool is determined by the cover, according to the Defense Modifiers table.

So being unaware of the attack is different from the Surprise. You don't get to defend.

>>50786703
Eh, makes sense to me. I already got guns, might as well use the magic for improved utility. Thanks!

>>50789087
But... if they're unaware, then you're surprising them?

>>50789087
Ah, that's kinda better, at least. I guess then I just need to get enough damage bonuses and hits on the test to overcome their armor and health in a single shot, then.

What are your runners doing for Christmas?

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