Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>50749470
I would prefer the former, because that means I get to ,you know, play?

>>50749470
I'd take the former.

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>>50749375

>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/tools/traits-filter

I didn't see any traits for switching Profession to Charisma.

>>50749470
the former

/pfg/ just likes shouting about memes

>>50749470
Definitely the former, given the choice.

>>50749507
What's the profession in question?

I think I figured out the reason most of /pfg/ doesn't play.

From what I've seen when people suggest not allowing all of DSP content, or not all races (plus 3rd party races), or suggest using golarion (except if it's an AP for some odd reason) /pfg/ will have extreme adverse reactions.

I'm not saying everyone has an adverse reaction to everything, but most folks here have a few things that trigger their autism something fierce which bars them from applying to the majority of games.

Heck, if I said:
"I'm running a game in a custom setting, you can play Humans, Orcs, half-orcs, plus these custom races." most folks would say "Fuck touching that with a 10-foot pole, I can't play kitsune". In fact I saw essentially that post responded to with people bitching they couldn't be "cute". It's very odd.

It seems for most of the people in no game hell it is to a large degree a hell of their own design.

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>>50749507
thanks for trying

>>50749549
It's almost like /pfg/ isn't a hive mind.
I need Psionics at an absolute minimum. Path of War is preferred but not necessary.

I'm fine with race restrictions. I hate most fantasy races anyway.

Not a huge fan of Golarion, but it isn't a deal breaker.

>>50749575

My word that is a cute elf.

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>>50749549
/pfg/ will throw a fit if a game bans any of the following:

1. Initiators.
2. Full casters.
3. Full manifesters.
4. Spheres of Power.

Even if it allows lots of other 3pp, like psionics and avowed and masquerade reveler and whatever, ban any of those four and /pfg/ riots.

Why?

I just read the Brewkeeper leaks.....
I can't believe I never thought to make an alcoholic alchemist before. Like bathtub brewin' moonshine tier. This prestige class is everything I've ever wanted.

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>>50749549
Personally, I don't play because I now work 60 hours a week.

Maybe next year will be better.

>>50749577
That's what I'm saying. Not everyone is triggered by everything, but most folks are triggered by 1 or 2 common things to a point it bars them for most games.

>>50749549
>I think I figured out the reason most of /pfg/ doesn't play.
Counterpoint: it's hard to find some to DM, and lots of people would prefer to play in person, making it even more difficult to find a group.

whatever you said is cute, too, I guess.

>>50749589
I work 40-45 hour weeks and I have a hard time making time (I go to the gym for 10 hours a week as well though).

>>50749586
What's an initiator
what's a full manifester
what's a sphere of power

Sorry, I just have the CRB.

>>50749593
I'm talking about online games. In person games are an entirely different animal. No game hell for people who only want to do in person games is an entirely different issue most of the time and has lots of its own problems.

>>50749592
Well, given how long most sessions are and how much time this hobby takes up why WOULD you play in a game with criteria you wouldn't find acceptable.

No game is better than a bad game.

>>50749549
It's definitely easy to point out the problem, but after playing a couple of bad games it's not hard to start singling out certain recurring problems. I've never had a good experience with a campaign centered around androids, but I try to keep an open mind.

>>50749586
Because at its core, Pathfinder is about options. And to take any away is to take away why people still play the game, next to people playing just to see crazy cool shit and interact with other characters.

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Apparently I've let the bard take Perform (seduction), is this dumb or not?

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>>50749610
An initiator is a class that uses maneuvers from Path of War. It's like the Tome of Battle, but for Pathfinder.

>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/path-of-war

A full manifester is a class that has 9th level psionic powers.

>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed

A Sphere of Power is an alternate magic system.

>http://spheresofpower.wikidot.com/

>>50749549
>when people suggest not allowing all of DSP content

Most DSP stuff is ported versions of 3.5 official stuff. I think most games do better with psionics and weaboo fightan allowed.

>or not all races
No one has a problem with not allowing some races, because technically out there somewhere is a race that's a gargantuan sized creature with a perfect fly speed of 240 and seven bonus feats alongside a rule that says all of its stats are equal to its highest stat.

That is something that makes sense to disallow. But when you're disallowing things that are functionally core races (elves, orcs, halflings) or are *very very* similar in terms of balance, you should have a pretty good reason as to why. Generally a reason much better than "I dont want you playing one" or "they dont exist lul". If you can come up with a compelling backstory, sure i'll let you play a kitsune... if you cant and you're an asshole on top of it, I probably wont.

>suggest using golarion

As far as kitchen sink goes, golarion has problems. Most fantasy settings do (be it FR, Eberron or whatever), and they're generally written with some sort of tone in mind. The tone of golarion is basically "what happens if we let SJW's run amok in forgotten realms", which most people don't want to fucking deal with.

The adventure paths are usually alright though.

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>>50749490
>>50749506
>>50749517
>>50749518
Then why is RotJR so popular?

>tfw want to run came in custom setting
>tfw only pathfinder race that is playable are humans

I can post the brief descriptions of the other races. They are for the most part human subspecies mutated by one of the setting features. Heck I could post their descriptions if people cared.

What perform check would puppets fall under?

Strings?

>>50749699
Heck if I know, pal.

>>50749470

We just like memes. It's the only thing we know for real; it's the rules of nature. Like a collective consciousness dictating our actions; a red sun and a hot wind telling us to be our own masters now. It has to be this way, for a stranger we remain.

>>50749699
Because it's all memeing about characters and not actually playing any game.

>>50749710
kek, probably just Act though.

>>50749699
Because weebs

>>50749699
Because it's a gestalt game with generous character creation rules.

Plus it's fascinating to see what kinda characters /pfg/ makes. Most of the fucking general is in that fucking waiting room, though at this point some people are probably just observing.

>>50749699
Because it's a vocal collection of faggots who sometimes shill their faggotry ironically just to try and fuel discussion. Most people don't apply or talk about RotJR.

I'm one of the ironic faggots, it's hard to repeatedly talk about something you really like without coming across as an annoying faggot, so why not identify myself as one

>>50749747
>Most people don't apply or talk about RotJR.
There are 80 people in the waiting room, most of the general is in there. Even accounting for "observers".

>>50749710
Depends on the routine. If it's a hand puppet joke show it's comedy. If it's storytelling it's oratory. If it's making them dance it's other stuffs.

>>50749685
Yes, because that's not a specific performance. He can take Perform (sexy dance) or Perform (Manilow-esque crooning) but seduction isn't a specific act.

>>50749775
So you're saying perform(anal orgasm) is a valid performance?

>>50749699
Because it got people chatting up character building and ideas. The campaign itself doesn't really matter That much, Back HV was taking requests it had a huge boon.

>>50749687
Oh. IDGAF about those things. Ty for answering!

>>50749695
>Generally a reason much better than "I dont want you playing one" or "they dont exist lul"
How is "This setting doesn't have X" not a good enough reason? Why would you need a better reason?

>>50749781
Yes. I'd give it Bluff and Intimidate for Versatile Performance.

>>50749815
If your setting doesn't have the core kitchen sink fantasy races, it's immediately suspect.

It better have some really compelling shit in it, or most people probably aren't going to bother.

>>50749833
>If your setting doesn't have the core kitchen sink fantasy races, it's immediately suspect.
Why? When the fuck have no elves, gnomes, etc been a deal breaker?

>>50749549
Quite frankly, a lot of my bitching about PoW comes from the fact that it's the only thing that ever gets paired with paired with "Gestalt, possibly with with SoP allowed" whenever a game comes up, and I don't like any of the initiating classes when you throw gestalt into the mix. Except maybe Stalker. Maybe in PoW Expanded 2: initiator Boogaloo I'll find some archetypes I fall in love with, but right now I'm just kind of sick of it.

>>50749850
>elves, gnomes, etc
>not core fantasy races.

In most peoples versions of fantasy, deleting these races leaves large blank spaces that are hard to fill, that most people try to just handwave away. If you were to delete the dwarves, elves, hobbits or orcs from lord of the rings you'd end up with a very different story.

>>50749870
What if you hung youself

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>>50749833
Did Athas have regular Gnomes?

>>50749870
Its shit.

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So how broken can someone using PoW really be in combat? What maneuvers are the worst offenders?

>>50749884
No one played dark sun because it was too hard to follow the [how to survive] rules. Fucking athasian half-giants drink too much goddamn water.

>>50749884
No, Gnomes went extinct.
>In most peoples versions of fantasy, deleting these races leaves large blank spaces that are hard to fill
What?

What does a setting gain or lose by replacing elves with humans that live in the forest and love nature more than city folk?
>LotR would be different if you took away shit that was important to the story there
No shit.

>>50749906
Steel Flurry Strike+Reflected Blade Style while in a damage stance.

Is there anything in PoW more retarded than that?

>>50749876
>implying all fantasy is LotR
>implying people are telling the same story as LotR and therefore need those races

what the fuck are you on about

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>>50749906
Using Flurry Strikes from Broken Blade.

There's some stuff in Elemental Flux and Thrashing Dragon that people want nerfed, but I forget what they were.

>>50749906
The most commonly mentioned one is Broken Blade, and more specifically Steel Flurry Strike.

>>50749507
>>50749538
Brevoy Bandit can solve that problem right up, actually!

>>50749870
I'd question why Skinwalkers aren't also there, since they're effectively more primal kitsune based on Paizo.

>>50749870
What If you pleasure me with that cute little fox mouth of yours

>>50749870
Then it's time to start looking at the wildlife for options.

>>50749695
>>50749815
>If you can come up with a compelling backstory, sure i'll let you play a kitsune...
To add onto this I have in the past had custom race lists and most often do not allow elves. This to a degree is because of extremely aged characters (sometimes several hundred years old) is something I personally dislike in the hands of PCs because I have never seen someone play one convincingly. In addition I simply do not want that kind of longevity and hindsight on the player's side. Also I simply do not want elves and instead have humans + custom races.

However I have had people throw fits specifically over elves, whining over "I want to be an elf" despite the fact I have said there are none.

My last custom race list was the following:
>Humans
>Vodyanoy
>Borovoi
>Rusalka
>Domovoi
>Kikimora

>>50749927
>>50749930
>>50749939
>Level one, gives you two attacks at full BAB as a -standard action-

this is completely retarded. You have to take 10 feats for two weapon fighting to have it STILL suck ass, and they just hand you an extra attack at full BAB and it's not even a full round action?

Ok, whoever wrote this had no clue what they were doing. I understand martial shit is stupidly underpowered as written, but to just ignore the design in place so completely is pretty poor form.

>>50749939
>>50749906
>>50749927
>>50749930
Specifically, stuff like Steel Flurry Strike applied to stuff that isn't unarmed strikes or weaker monk weapons like quarterstaves. When applied to things like Santsukons or greatswords, things get stupid-powerful real quick.

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>>50750016
>be level 6 initiator

>wield a sansetsukon (or a WMH custom monk two-hander)

>be in Pugilist Stance or Primal Warrior Stance

>Steel Flurry Strike with REFLECTED BLADE STYLE

How stupid bullshit strong is this?

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>>50749986

>>50750001
>that list
Yeah I wouldn't fucking bother. Let me like an elf.

>tfw actively try to die
>literally surrounded by 8 dudes
>dice won't let me fall

I want off this ride.

>>50750051

God fucking dammit I just giggled so loud my neighbor smashed his fist on my wall.

>>50750001
What are half of those?
Anyway how is this for player races
>Humans
>Goblinoids
>Modified Orcs
>Dorfs
>Elves depending on the region
>Tieflings refluffed as being weak full on fiends depending on the region.

I want to make a character that uses a breath weapon unironically.

I am willing to sacrifice... anything for this. It doesn't have to be good, it just has to be my primary form of offense.

3.0/3.5 and any 3pp allowed.

>>50750089
Go next door and cum in their mouth to establish dominance.

>>50750079
>wanting to lose
What are you, gay?

>>50750100

I'd rather cum in your mouth!

>>50750099

dragon-pact avowed spamming the aether breath form.

>>50750099
Alchemists get a breath weapon discovery eventually. Does the character have to start at level 1?

>>50750051
This is Exactly what I wanted.
And people say fox posters are the worst.

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>mfw Avowed betroathed to a dragon

>>50750097
Bunch of russian/slavic folk lore races.

>>50750102
I just want a new character

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>>50750099
Look in Legacy of Dragons.

There's also the Draconic Sorcerer bloodline and the Dragon Disciple prestige class.

>>50750102

Anon, I know that man's pain, I myself have tried to make a character die consistently for the past seven months.

>>50750138
Can't you just retire the character without killing it?

>>50750150
Not that anon, but not all GMs allow this.

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>>50750130

That could get pretty silly.

>>50750163

It's literally possible right from level 1, anon.

Imagine being betroathed to a silver dragon's egg, which will eventually hatch to be a spunky silver-haired brat that knows more than you do even while she's busy shaking off the embryonic fluid.

So something I've noticed for wizards both as a player and as a GM is that they have piss poor saves.

Out of all classes they have some of the worst support for saves (the best being Barbarian/Paladin/Bloodrager). Besides will save (and even will save because no class features and not a huge incentive to pump will) a wizard once forced into combat has a really bad time against anyone who is forcing saves in their direction. As a GM I have had players throw fits over this (the one I remember distinctly was a "wizards are the OP" type). Spells don't do a great job of helping saves (there are very few direct buff to a save spells) and wizards don't have as many reroll abilities as other full casters (particularly certain witches/clerics).

Why do wizards have such ass saving throws?

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>>50750136
Then why wasn't Drow on the list?

>>50750130
Funny thing, I was planning an RotJR char that focused on this particular concept. He was a noble knight who was sent to rescue a princess from a dragon...only to realize that the princess was a dragon. Sure, he hates being set up, but his duty is to protect people...even if they're secretly fifteen feet tall and scaly.

I didn't go through with him because I couldn't really solidify his other gestalt half and I kept feeling guilty that if it does go lewd that it means he'll have to cheat on his darling pregnant dragon wife.

>>50750115
Considered.

>>50750117
Yep, gotta start at level 1.

>>50750140
Certainly examined, but the sorcerer bloodlines have this problem where their uses per day are way too limited.

Thank you all for the assistance.

>>50750150
I certainly could but I thought it'd be cooler to go down heroically. He does have a reason to retire I suppose.

>>50749586
Man where the heck is this girl from? Can't find her anywhere.

>>50750181
>being engaged to a new born
I don't like it.

> that knows more than you do
Silver Dragon Wyrmlings are only trained in Knowledge (local) and only have 14 int. They only have a +12 to the knowledge local.

A level 1 character will have a hard time outclassing their knowledge local, but does in fact know more than them on any other subject that the PC is actually trained in.

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>>50750205
You never said how often you wanted to use it.

>>50750204

First off, your other side should have been Paladin.

Secondly, why would he cheat? This is a campaign ran by a human DM, anon. You know what that means? If you have a silver dragon waifu, he'll find a way to make her a person in the caravan.

>>50750226
>it just has to be my primary form of offense.
Presumably, I will be attacking more than once per day. It's still a good idea --I might just get some houserules involved.

>>50750189
>Drow
Trow (drow origin) are a Shetlands tradition, not russian.

>>50750181

>Betrothed to an egg

I get the sense you and I may be looking for different things in waifus, anon.

>>50750219

>Implying the Silver won't expect you to squire the girl
>Implying I'm not just trying to make you uncomfortable, and in truth you're "betrothed" insofar as the silver's daughter gains power just as you do.

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>>50750242
Why would the silver dragon not just wreck everything for the party?

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>>50750242
Pally was my first choice, but what focus? Yeah, use Avowed for breath shenanigans and all, but what would I use my holy magic for? Smitery? Protecting the others because he's secretly tsundere?

Also, shapeshifting waifu as she learns in the timeskip was so my idea.

>>50750113
Not if I cum in yours first, faggot

>>50750263

Truthfully? I'm just enjoying the hilarious banter between an absurdly intelligent silver dragon squire-girl and her knightly human master. It's like Dunk and Egg, only a little sweeter.

>>50750284

Same reason Silvers don't look after their sons and daughters as they squire for mighty lords or noble knights.

Aka, they absolutely DO. You're under the microscope, son. Any hair you hurt or bit of flesh you fondle is going to be broadcast to Mom and Dad. You better be careful what you do with that cute lil squire girl!

>>50750273
Why would a Silver Dragon need a squire? A servant I would understand, but a squire implies that the dragon is going to be heading into battle.

>>50750216
Albedo from Overlord.

>>50750300
>I'm just enjoying the hilarious banter between an absurdly intelligent silver dragon squire-girl
She isn't absurdly intelligent though, she only has 14 int.

>>50750301

Silvers canonically assume humanoid form in their early years to squire for knights or apprentice with state ministers to learn the ways of chivalry, dutifulness and law. This is something they straight up do.

>>50750320

A 3 year old with 14 intelligence is pretty impressive, anon.

>>50749470
RotJR?

Playing for the first time tomorrow, magic school dropout going through a midlife crisis, group said not to worry about optimization or math. Any tips for a new roleplayer?
also have mild social anxiety and am a bit scared of dragging the game down

>>50750317
Abledo has black hair and ivory horns.

That's just a generic anime demon girl.
>>50750300
You misunderstand me. The party is under no threat with a fucking SILVER GODDAMN DRAGON following them around.

>>50750289
The Dragon form from Spheres gets you a breath weapon that's 1d8/2 levels, alongside other goodies. Only limit is the once/1d4 rounds that's fairly standard among actual dragons.

You can take Transformation and Improved Transformation to get it all, keep all your limbs and such, and get it scaling off your character level.

All without even a skerrick of actual casting ability, if you're into that sort of thing.

>>50750330
>Silvers canonically assume humanoid form in their early years to squire for knights or apprentice with state ministers to learn the ways of chivalry, dutifulness and law. This is something they straight up do.
Ah, thought you meant the other way around, with the silver dragon needing a squire.

>A 3 year old with 14 intelligence is pretty impressive, anon.
I'm less impressed because it's a dragon.

>>50750357
>You misunderstand me. The party is under no threat with a fucking SILVER GODDAMN DRAGON following them around.
In RotJR several characters could kill a silver dragon wyrmling as is. High pb gestalt level 3 can handle CR 6 enemies fairly regularly if combat was what they were aiming for.

>>50750371
>Ah, thought you meant the other way around, with the silver dragon needing a squire.

Yeah, surprising isn't it? Silvers taking orders from humans for the first hundred years of their life, growing into young adults under the tutelage of men.

>>50750385
>In RotJR several characters could kill a silver dragon wyrmling as is
Which ones?

>>50750353
>Any tips for a new roleplayer?

Don't try to be "the best" or "the funniest." Just say what comes naturally and have fun. Drink some beer if you need to, but don't make that a habit.

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>>50750393
>growing into young adults under the tutelage of men.

>mfw Silvers probably lose their virginity to human men and women

>>50750421
I want to kill you.

>>50750353
Maybe sit this one out and aim for a game that specifies "New players welcome".
Those groups are more likely to help you get a grasp of the system, nothing against the dude running the RotJR, but he didn't use the tag so I'm assuming he wants already knowledgeable players.

>>50750421
tfw you'll never get to claim a silver dragons virginity

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>>50750246
I don't think any DM will let a PC have an area attack as their primary form of offense.

>>50750440
Anon, I think he's asking what RotJR is, then saying that he's playing for his first time in a game.

>>50750485
>Shotgun

>>50750485
There are already several ways to do that.

Just a be a wilder or something and take Energy X.

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>>50750472

Not with that attitude, anon!

What the FUCK is RotJR and why is it in the thread instead of a discord/telegram/skype group?

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>>50750493
A shotgun has ammunition.

>>50750496
I should have added "all the time without expending resources."

>>50750492
My bad, glanced it instead of giving it the once over.

>>50750472
>>50750509

You have a good chance of doing so if you Avowed (Betrothed) to a Silver dragon!

Fun fact: There's a notable Silver Dragon in the Land of the Linnorm Kings! Avaleru is her name! She runs Hero's Rest!

>>50749906
Well you have to accept that this is entirely in the "uselessly overkill" range, but:

You can turn an x4 weapon into x5 with certain abilities. Make the weapon ... big... enough, and your combination of "next attack deals maximum damage" and "automatic hit, cannot be countered or immediate-actioned against, also is a threat" could, say, potentially, you know...

Well, let's say that if that's just the extra standard action from god of the hourglass, you've still got a full attack to use tempest volley on there, and you'll easily average over 900 DPR against that single target.

Of course as soon as it responds you can add in another full attack ... or full attack maneuver, using another counter there, for another 400-odd.

But that's talking about a level 17+ with rapid shot, semi-automatic on their beam cannon, a few levels of aegis, an akashic catalyst.... you're talking about a full build and you're still not talking about a barbarian charger or the like. It's pretty much a guaranteed blast though at least.

>>50750510
You're being dense at this point.

So guy advertised a gestalt game combining Runelords and Jade Regeant.

Applications open in January.

People are fags who don't want to use the actual avenues for talking about this shit.
>>50750520
Sphere Caster. Destruction. Energy Orb+Orb Expert. Don't take Verbal and Somatic Drawbacks.

Done.

>>50750510

Game going to start recruiting in the new year, got famous due to involving two good APs (first book of RIse of the Runelords into full on Jade Regent) and having nice character creation rules.

We're talking about it in here because it's a place to talk about it and trying to force people interested into somewhere else to talk about it has received mild success, and at least it's something to talk about (mostly character builds and golarion fluff) that isn't bitching about paizo/dsp/both/neither all the time, some actual constructive stuff going on about it in between the waifuing.

>>50750510
Roll20 game, first book of Rise of the Runelords (Burnt Offerings) into Jade Regent. 25 PB, generous feat tax rules, PoW, SoP, generous 3pp content such as Gonzo 2, gestalt, and a GM open to lewd content.

And it's in the thread because people want to talk about it.

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>>50750473
Better quality.

>>50750554
>>50750557
Re.

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>>50750554
>two good APs

>Jade Regent
>good

Are you shitting me?

>nice character creation rules.
You mean "retardedly overpowered and full of free shit everywhere."

>>50750593
Man, 2hu has gotten spiteful these last few months.

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Are there any PF/DnD related Discord servers I could join? One's like a /tg/ general, where people just shoot the shit about the game, maybe run games sometimes.

>tfw consider banning supernatural disciplines
I planned on reconfiguring the discipline lists and limiting classes either to no supernatural disciplines or one supernatural discipline. I honestly do not like the themes of supernatural disciplines for martials.

Some can be refulffed (cursed razor), some can not (riven hourclass/veiled moon/sleeping goddess).

>>50750699
>Riven Hourglass
Insane reflexes (or 'wired reflexes'). Reaction speeds entirely normal in some entirely EX critters in the setting, actually... just that normally the martials get told "FUCK YOU, YOU RUN ON NORMAL HUMAN REAL LIFE RULES" by default because paizo.

>>50750723
Riven Hourglass can summon a 60foot cyclone of sand.

>>50750699
Do you ban monks too?

>riven hourclass
Super human reflexes
>veiled moon
Super Human Speed..

>>50750699
What's wrong with supernatural disciplines for martials, anon? If there's anything that anime has taught me it's that sheer strength and willpower can rival magical abilities any day of the week.

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>>50750733
Which turn off in an antimagic field?

>>50750732
>He doesn't know how to SWIRLY ARMS Flash powers.

>>50750733
How do reflexes disintegrate things in a 60ft cone?

>Super Human Speed..
Hmm.

>>50750645
You could join us on the RotJR IRC. We're mostly faggots though.

>>50750746
Yes. It's the same shit as a monk.

And anti-magic fields should not be coming up in games because they grind everything to a fucking halt.

>>50750732
So?
You can't throw some fucking sand around?

>>50750759
You manage to spin and hit shit so fucking fast and hard it dies.

And what manuver is that. I don't see it?

>>50750775
It disintegrates things.

>>50750761
They fuck martials even harder than casters too. A wizard still has quite a few options into or out of an AMF.

>>50750645
There's a pfg Irc and a RotJR irc.
Don't know about discord though.

>>50750786
Sand and wind can erode mountains. By employing a secret technique you can do what takes centuries in seconds.

>>50750783
Wrath of Time
Discipline: Riven Hourglass (Strike); Level: 8
Prerequisites: Three Riven Hourglass maneuvers
Initiation Action: 1 standard action
Range: 60' cone
Target: Opponents and objects
Duration: Instant
DESCRIPTION

You open your Hourglass and those of all around you, willing their grains to scatter in an attempt to outright erase their futures. When you initiate this maneuver, you unleash a 60-foot cone of violent temporal energy, reducing people and objects alike to harmless white sand. Make an Autohypnosis check as part of this strike. Each opponent or object within the area takes damage equal to twice the result of your check. A successful Fortitude save (DC 18 + your initiation modifier) halves the damage. If this damage reduces a creature or object to 0 or fewer hit points, it is entirely disintegrated, leaving only a scattered pile of white dust.

>>50750792
What options does a wizard have inside an anti-magic field besides try and leave the anti-magic field?

>>50750485
Kineticists can already do an area attack for free all day once per turn.

Kineticists aren't overpowered. Why would a breath weapon be?

>>50750746

>tfw you will never sexually dominate a Red Dragon girl until she agrees to talk out her issues with a Silver

>>50750808
>Discipline: Riven Hourglass (Strike); Level: 8

You're mad that a level what, 16-17 character starts doing shit that's "Physically impossible"?

Nigger, people stop being fucking relatable to *humans* at 5th level.

>>50750807
But it doesn't require you to get sand, also it isn't actually sand but "temporal energy". Man I don't so, giant spasms of energy that disintegrates things sounds like magic to me.

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>>50750783
So what you're saying is that technique is basically...

>>50750823
I'm not saying it's overpowered. I just don't like the themes of summoning temporal energy for a martial, or teleportation, or mind control, or trapping people's souls.

>>50750825
>>50750843
That's what refluffing is. It doesn't fucking matter whether it's sand or wind. Or you just spinning around really hard.

And magic and martial aren't mutually exclusive. See monks.

Honestly this is why I hate the whole everything that is supernatural is magical approach.

It should be the other way around. Anything magical is supernatural, but not everything supernatural is magical.

>>50750843
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiFDnDmLyII

This is basically what a riven hourglass strike looks like. Someone managed to accomplish some fuckery through sheer martial skill.

It seems hypocritical to allow wizards that shit and not martials.

>>50750786
Sandblasting. And one thing that disintegrates is not even as supernatural as gaining temporary hitpoints from negating an attack (any attack) with your instincts anyways, right?

>>50750809
The answer is it isn't.
Breath weapons are feared because what they're usually tied to (dragons for example) and forgot that it still gives a save to halve the damage (or all of it completely if evasion is in play).

>>50750808
Actually, spells can still be cast: they'll immediately start functioning when you leave or it ends though they do tick down (so you can get all your buffs up or whatever). Spells that 'create matter' and are instantaneous (such as acid conjuration attacks...) can be fired into one no problem, and anything that begins its existence outside of it can be cast from within.

Meanwhile the guy with the sword can no longer get through DR or hurt them ghosts.

>>50750843
Or summoning giant globes of mercury, or fire lasers made out of hatred, or summon evil shadows to grab your enemy, or explode and reborn out of the twinkle in someone's eye, or open portals to other dimensions

>>50750880
>Someone managed to accomplish some fuckery through sheer martial skill.
Ok I'm trying to not be autistic, but that's not how nasuverse works at all. Fake Assassin is powered by magic because all incarnations upon the throne of heroes are. He doesn't even exist and his noble phantasm requires mana to function. If you're going to site a source at least site a source that supports your claim.

>>50750910
>Actually, spells can still be cast: they'll immediately start functioning when you leave
Not actually true, read the FAQ.

>>50750870
They aren't. I still don't like the themes. I don't like monks either for their themes.

>Anything magical is supernatural, but not everything supernatural is magical.
Actually incorrect. Supernatural IS magical by pazio's definition. We've had this argument before. Everything supernatural is a kind of magic, just not a kind of spell.

>>50751000

So there is basically no reason to not play a wizard, cleric, or druid in your games?

>>50750964
>suppressed
not dispelled.

>>50751012
I don't allow full casters either because they too ruin games for a variety of reasons.

>>50751000
>They aren't. I still don't like the themes. I don't like monks either for their themes.

Well I'm sorry I can't fix shit taste.
>Actually incorrect.
I acknowledged that, I'm saying that's stupid.

>>50751025
Play fucking 5e.

Play fucking Song of Swords.

Play some fucking OSR.

Pathfinder is not for you.

>>50750947
Most of nasuverse requires magic to function. It's kind of like a basic building block of their universe.

It doesnt stop the characters from remarking "Holy shit, you just accomplished through martial skill what most people would consider magic".

I suppose I could link the Clementine vs Ainz fight from overlord, but that may still use MP as a base unit, because that tends to be how things like that do.

>>50751050
For the most part I try to. It's simply difficult to find people willing to play other games often.

>play 5e
Don't like 5e either for much the same reasons I don't like large parts of pathfinder.

Given the options I normally play and GM Burning Wheel or WHF.

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>can't fly
>refuses to gain flight, even for free
>refuses to use any kind of range
>enemy flies
>whines it's not fair and continuously implies the rest of us only care about charop when an enemy flies

>>50751060
>It doesnt stop the characters from remarking "Holy shit, you just accomplished through martial skill what most people would consider magic".
What I'm saying is you are entirely incorrect that it is not magic. What they are doing is explicitly magical in nature.

If I am to explain further I must ask how much you know about the Spiral of Origin?

>>50751090
Is he against getting an item that lets him fly, or does he not want a class feature that does it?

Let's talk about paladins, /tg/.

What god has the best paladins, and why is it Shelyn?

>>50751123
Abadari paladins are best paladin.

Also Iroran paladins.

>>50751123
>Shelyn
Shit taste. It's Erastil. An Erastilean loves you. A Shelynite loves the idea of love, but they don't love you.

>>50751105
both, and also buffs.

>>50751157
Then he's just an asshat. I could understand not wanting wings, but refusing buffs is dumb.

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>>50751145

Speaking of Gods, can I just say that I find it amusing that I've never seen anyone whisper a bad word about Desna? Fairy god confirmed for cute.

>>50751191
She's responsible for a good chunk of cosmic fucking horrors waking up.

Is this system any good?

>>50751191
>Woke up Ghlaunder
Fuckin' moron fairy

>>50751205
No. Find a better one.

>>50751205
It's meh.

>>50751205
No it's pretty fucking bad. Wouldn't play it if I had a better option.

>>50750604
It's not 2hu, it's someone who wants to ruin anime images for everyone by using similar-to-but-not-actually Touhou pictures.

Because he or she is a cunt and a bastard.

>>50751000
So you don't like the theme of martials having superpowers, but you also don't like magicians having superpowers.

Soooo, what does that leave to play?

>>50751241
Martials without superpowers.

>>50751090
Let him have a bunch of +jump

>>50751259
that leaves you with... very very little here, and either a guaranteed TPK or nearly none of the bestiary.

anon should not be using this system at all. it is not balanced around this.

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>>50751205
It was better than 3.5 and 4E. I'm not sure how it compares to 5E.

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>>50750926
>or explode and reborn out of the twinkle in someone's eye
Is there actually a maneuver that can do that? Because if it is, then that's pretty Killer.

>>50751281
Will just bitch that we're trying to change her character, again.

I can't even call that asshole out on it directly, because somehow the jackass goes "oh boohoo I have problems I feel bad" and the whole table just turns around and that person was never in the wrong. Hell I've been warned for being exploded at and not even saying a thing to defend myself (I was too confused)about it because of that waah-waah turnaround, which somehow made it my fault. Got a final warning a few weeks later when I called out some bullshit, so apparently the first one was real.

Fucking sick of this bullshit act.

>>50751285
What in the bestiary would TPK them? I can handle the entire bestiary with just a fighter.

>>50751342
Not if your fighter has no magic equipment you won't.

>>50751336
Self Beyond the Self

>>50751357
No I'm fine with magic items, and even supernatural class features to a degree. I just don't like fullcasters, monks, and SU disciplines. I'm even fine with most 6th level casters outsides of some banned spells.

>>50751090
>>50751337
Fuck right off until we get the other side of the story, because all it sounds like is that you're salty and bitching without giving the whole thing.

If you are being simultaneously grappled by two different creatures, what would be the way to break both grapples? Would it take two separate checks?

>>50751373
how are SU disciplines different from having 6th level spell access then? you know, except for them being more troubleshooting and less, uh, problemsolving.

>>50751373
Why play pathfinder if you don't like high magic?

>>50751393
Because I have a hard time getting people to play other games. Like I said I prefer Burning Wheel and WHF.

>>50751337
Quit the game then.

>>50751215
>>50751208
>>50751211
>>50751299
>>50751417
/pfg/ confirmed to hate itself and it's game

>>50751439
that's every game general ever

>>50751420
It's only that one person, which is why I'm hesitating... but it's pretty likely that the result will be the same "you're out" effect whether I quit, give the details here, or try to talk to the GM about it.

Mostly I just wanted to vent right now but your suggestion's feeling a lot better than I expected.

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>>50751456
.....Shit dude, you're right.

Well, time to go back to making a campaign around some bullshit modules

>>50751470
Talk to the GM about it reasonably, without any other factors involved in it like "fuck it I'm drunk now and will give that asshole a piece of my mind" or "goddammit I'm tired I need someone to talk to". Just talk, figure something out, and if need be ask to be NPC'd and bring in a different character or if worst comes to worst just leave the game. There's other games out there, and unless you're super-unlucky you're probably in a better game already, maybe even two or three games.

>>50751050
>Badwrongfun

So /pfg/ I decided to make an AP because I hate myself.

So I am gonna do this right and proper. I'm going to get all of your horseshit opinions.
>http://www.strawpoll.me/11901069

If something you want isn't there just reply to this post with it as well and I'll add it in for V2.

>>50751563
the fuck is an AP

>>50751540
I like everyone else in there, but... I have much to think about it seems.

But I'll start looking for other games.

>>50751563
It's early, but Ancient Aliens already tied for first

>>50751583
Adventure Path.

>>50751583
adventure path.
not to be confused with most other games or systems where you could certainly assume it means armor-piercing in some way.

>>50751597
>>50751601
oh, cool
I went with:
Religious upheaval because cults are fun
Discovering new lands because exploration is neat
Criminal intrigue because mobsters 'n shit

>>50751631
So chaos on the frontier? Not bad.

I went with military, political intrigue, and horror, since i like a classic story and kinda despise classic dungeon diving.

>>50751708

I went with dragons, body horror, eldritch horror, and all the upheavels

because i'm an easy fellow

>>50751708
>Political Intrigue, Religious Upheaval, Revolution, Ancient Aliens

I accidentally just went /pol/itical intrigue

>>50750404
>>50750440
Thanks, Its in person though, and hung out with the group before, hoping it goes well

>>50751731
If you had New Lands then it would be /pol/itical e/x/trigue.

>>50751563
Current Leaders:
>Dragons
>Religious Upheaval
>Criminal Intrigue
>Ancient Aliens

>Party member gets vaporized by magical nuke
>Party just continues on like nothing happened

Oh, murderhobos.

>>50751563
I voted Religious Upheval, because dealing with cults can be fun
Criminal Intrigue: going either from the Criminals or Detectives perspective is usually enjoyable
And Archeology: because, ironically, I haven't had a good dungeon dive campaign/adventure yet.

>>50751860
In the heat of battle there is no time for shock or hesitation.

Only when victory is achieved are you free to mourn the fallen.

>>50751732
You should be fine, have fun.
You know, that thing people forget to have when playing a game? That.

>>50751860
adventurers don't have time to lay down for anything but HP regen and spell refreshment until they're dead

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>>50751831
The religions don't appreciate it when ancient aliens show up and start selling high tech. It's reduced to black-market goods through their influence, but rumor has it the dragons think all this shit is fucking awesome, and have done some major trading of their own....

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>>50751860
>Party Rogue becomes visible after attacking someone while invisible
>Party Rogue is missing their shadow
>Party Rogue is freaking out while the party just continues on like nothing happened

Oh, murderhobos.

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>>50751860
>Party is fighting undead demonics on top of a dead god
>Party member and party member are making googly eyes at each-other
>Party member and party member are in the middle of a plot exposition
>Those lines should get anybody slapped
>They're covered in undead demon ... bits

murderhobos.

So I want to make something similar to The Red Viper in fighting style. Terrible poison + agile spear fighting.

Piercing Thunder seems more strength than agility based. What should I grab instead? I plan on grabbing steel serpent to cover poison.

>>50752003
Oberyn uses his spear one handed, right?
Scarlet Throne. Grab Deadly Agility if you want to be more dex based.

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>just now learning that I am incredibly clumsy at mid-level combat and just generally not a skilled player

I need to throw a weapon as far as possible. Become "My reach is long" style hunter. These are my thoughts:

>Javelin (30 base)
>Hurler Barbarian (+10 ft)
>Longshot (spell) (+10 ft)
>Supple Wrist, Strong Arm (+10 ft)
>Greater Belt of Mighty Hurling (+10ft)
>Distance (Multiply it by 2)
>Long Shot (Reduces range penalty from -2 to -1)
>Other Feat (Don't remember the name but reduces thrown weapon penalty by flat 2)

Gives a 700ft throw at only a -3. As a barbarian this will do a lot more damage than your average normal ranged attack because it does 1.5x strength. Using rage, orc bloodline, and your budget you can easily get 50 strength for a +30 on every throw. With power attack that's another +18.

>Paladin "dies"
>Party leaves him to die
>He returns months later as an antipaladin
>Kills the party member that was responsible for his "death"
>The party then immediately takes him back in

That was a surprise, desu.

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>>50751974
Why are you playing Monte Cook's shitty modules?

>>50752053
Murderhobos...

>>50752065
huh????

>>50752077
>Party is fighting undead demonics on top of a dead god

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>>50752053
Why are you surprised by the power of friendship?

>>50752099
I just didn't expect them to go "Oh, you murdered Steve because he set off the explosion that 'killed you', that's cool, welcome back".

>>50752052
Technically speaking you don't even need the penalty reduction stuff if you take a dip into Warpriest, the Air Blessing, when applied to a weapon, will allow you to make any ranged attack without penalties for a minute. I would assume that this applies to thrown objects as well.

>>50752091
I kinda figured that was the part you meant but, whaa?

I'm not the GM, I just sat through two autists flirting

>>50752116
Did he reverse the antipaladin levels?
Did he become an AntiAntiPaladin?

>>50751860
who would have known that leyline was so sensitive to methane

>>50752147
Leylines, never go near 'em.

My party once watched our Sorcerer get turned to ash when he tried to use a CL20 leyline to empower a spell.

>>50752147
>blow back legit 20 miles from the epicenter
>party just gets up and walks off

Is it so wrong I want to play a wizard focused on utility and battlefield control. I want to help my martials fight the enemies by cutting off the enemies escape, and I want to help the party with a bag full of cool tricks.

>>50752206
that's the point of a Wizard senpai

>>50752206
Yes it's bad

Play a Mesmerist if you want that

>>50752025

He did not, however he did use ST strikes.

>>50752169
>hey we still get paid for turning the forest to ash, right

>>50752214
>Mesmerist
I don't really like occult magic or hypnotic stare to be honest.

>players get spooked when villain might actually beat them
>run
>surprised when the guy who entrusted them with the mission calls them craven and tell them if he sees them again he'll hang them from the ramparts

>>50752233
>when the player getting the deal rejected a tax-free house

>>50752233
I don't know if the employer has the balls to not pay someone who not only nuked a radius of 20 miles but survived the explosion without magical help

>>50752266
damnit, where is the hulking autist's mother going to live now?

>>50752255
Wha? Don't most GMs get pissed-off when parties never seem to run? Isn't it completely-reasonable for them to run from a fight they can't win?

>>50752279
They came all the way back to the guy who hired them and expected him not to be pissed off that they quit though? Them some dumb PC's

>>50752278
at home, like always

>>50752279
>Players running
>Ever

Maybe it's just my players, but they love to fight to the end.

>>50751563

Give us political upheaval as knights followed by political intrigue as landed knights followed by religious upheaval as we go on Crusade against the heretical blasphemer.

And then it becomes anything from Ancient Aliens to Xenophobia as we struggle to hold onto our rich new lands as counts or dukes of a newly conquered continent.

So, I'm the kind of person who wants to strip the bodies bare when I play. If I'm murdering people any way I have no qualms with stealing from the dead.

Generally when I kill sapient creatures and I have the time I will clear them out, leave any personal effects not worth much (jewelry, holy symbols, goods gets taken, journals, pictures, letters, etc. do not), and burry them properly (if I have an idea of what god they had I do my best to adhere to their tradition if I have time, if not I give them a Abadari burial). If I can find out a next of kin I generally take out 10% of what ever their shit sold for and send it back to them, anonymously if possible, with a letter saying their husband/spouse/son died in an accident. This is unless I know the family are also opposed to me then they don't get shit.

I also keep notes on all the inventory of stuff I take, including clothing and the like.

For animals I will butcher the animal if at all possible and cure hides/smoke meats. If the animal is valuable I will grab the valuable bits.

My fellow players and GM think these practices are weird and kind of evil. I need advice.

>>50752302
>Maybe it's just my players, but they love to fight to the end.
99% of players do.

>>50752279
Reasonable? Possibly.

Craven? Definitely.

>>50752298
Not hired, but entrusted. They were in service to that baron.

>>50752332
I'm thinking your GM is right, or at least very much in ChaoticN territory

>>50752346
I bury them properly and try and send back money to their families if I can. How is this evil?

>>50752332
So giving their family closure and not wasting the meat of animals like some kind of savage is considered evil to your group? I mean yeah it's far and above what most people would do, but I'd consider that far from evil, in some cultures most of what you're doing (aside from the whole "reselling their stuff" thing) is pretty respectful!

>>50752361
it's pretty weird
mostly because it means you're very aware of the fact you're ending a lot of lives
to the point where it doesn't bother you in the slightest, and you have a weird little ritual after the fact

>>50752371
Is that much worse than the vast amount of murderhobos we play who just cut people down left and right without even considering for a moment the ramifications of that act? Heck, even the good characters we've played have most likely had to fight other good or even neutral characters and subsequently ruined lives because of it.

IMO this guy is probably more sane than the rest of us.

>>50752398
Not-Evil and Sane aren't exactly the same thing though

>>50752362
>So giving their family closure
Lying about their death

>>50752417
Better than just letting them disappear one day with no reasons given.

>>50752422
>characters forming cliques before the game starts
No.
>animals
No.
>incest
No.
Apply yourself.

>>50752422
No. I wouldn't even on normal mode. If the players have to specify their characters have regular sex it raises a ton of red flags already.

>>50752422
Sure, who cares
as long as I get a copy of the pastebin

>>50752422

Eh, depends on the rest of the app and how they're treating it, desu.

>>50750809
Kineticists are also garbage. They provoke at least two attacks of opportunity per round just to use their only weapon, and they have to try passing concentration checks without having a caster level.

>>50750760
How about an address?

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I see a lot of avowed talk, so hopefully, this post is something you people will be interested in ;p

There's a lot of ground to cover, so I'm just going to link the paizo post I just made, along with the doc itself. Tl;dr: the next update of the Avowed 1 pdf is up. It's gone from 48 pages to 67 pages. We're chugging away on getting the rest of Avowed 2 ready for eyes, but right now, I wanted to let everyone know about this, and thank you all for the feedback, directly given or otherwise, that this community has made available.

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2twzb&page=3?Forrestfire-Studios-A-new-company-a-unique#106

And the PDF itself: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5HkyGRtGZy3SWVhdWFBWERWWjg

I'm going to be rare for responses in the next week or so because of the Christmas Season + retail, but I'll definitely be keeping an eye on these threads for any feedback you bring.

Hope you all enjoy. Happy pacting.

>>50752590
Aren't Kineticists supposed to be a ranged build anyway?

https://discord.gg/z9cFWJa

here we go

>>50749575
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/regional-traits/bandit
'Brevroy Bandit' I believe the name is.

>>50752609
join so common questions like "how do make TWF work with STR" and shit can be answered somewhere that doesn't eat up posts

>>50752651
Like eating up posts even fucking matters. We can just make more threads, it's not like they're limited in commodity.

Also, the IRC would be a better place for that overall. Discord necessitates people's discord names being revealed, whereas you can call yourself what the fuck ever in IRC.

>>50752664
>Discord necessitates people's discord names being revealed, whereas you can call yourself what the fuck ever in IRC.


except you can do that in discord too
>not setting yourself to a nickname on a server
s m h

>>50752664
Then post the IRC address, faggot.

>>50752598
It's very easy to find with just a tiny bit of google.

>>50752677
It's just #pfg on Rizon bro.

>>50752671
You have to join a server before you can do that, and it doesn't stop people seeing what your actual name is if they just click you.

>>50752600
Fuck yes, I was waiting for this. I hope my GM lets me play one.

>>50752694
are you so afraid of online interaction, friend?

>>50752694
>It's just #pfg on Rizon bro

Thank you.

>>50752700
No way man. Come to the irc and chat it up, it's a fun place.

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>>50752699
I hope so too, anon! I wish you luck.

>>50752600
Merry christmas forrest. Have a happy time. Thanks for your stuffs.

>>50752752
I'd imagine that depends entirely on your group and GM.

>>50752752
That probably depends on the conditioner they use. Not every Kitsune smells the same you racist.

What can you guys tell me about the medium class? is it worth playing? I was considering playing a wyrwood reanimated medium.

>>50752772
What about Prestidigitation?

>>50752600

Gibbons Engel is my new favorite iconic across all iconics across all 1PP and 3PP classes, just for his name.

I like to imagine he's this nebbish, nerdy looking guy who's done his pact-making and cloak-wearing to try to make himself seem like some all-powerful EVIL WIZARD when he's really just sort of meek and wants friends but is too afraid of human contact to go about it in a normal way, so he's sought out POWER OVERWHELMING to try and fix his life but really it just made it all more complicated.

Damned if the cloak isn't stylish though.

>>50752798
>GIBBONS

Okay, anons.

The party has finally hunted down their quarry and found his base.

I want him to be a Level 5 Hidden Blade (the DSP archetype for rogues). Which maneuvers should i have him use to make him a slippery bastard in combat?

>>50752887

veiled moon stuff definitely.

>>50752894
Yeah, for sure, I'm just not sure how many I should let an enemy have in comparison to a player.

>>50752798
Sadly, I can't say that that's his story. Though that's pretty amazing.

Gibbons Engel is an old, kinda small man. He's done a lot of bad in his years, and in the twilight of his life, he had a realization that he wanted to leave a better mark on the world. So, he called up a fiend and sold his soul for power. Then he started wandering, looking like an evil wizard so he doesn't have to deal with people, and using his infernal superpowers to beat up bad guys. Rescue damsels, send them home safe with Old Dad advice on how to not get captured by villains and dragons again.

>playing wizard
>Str: 9
>Dex: 10
>Con: 10
>Int: 22
>Wis: 14
>Cha: 10

Yes, this seems reasonable. I'm slightly weaker than the average bloke.

Where can I find the info for this RoTJR thing?

>>50752600
Oop, have to note: we missed a thing in the list of changes to do, so I just uploaded a new copy with the fixed rule (a forgotten adjustment in Emaciating Pulse). If you've already downloaded, I'd redownload.

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>>50752887
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/path-of-war/classes/archetypes-for-non-martial-classes
>6 maneuvers known, 2 stances

You don't have many options.

Leaping Spirit Dance (VM stance)
Funhouse Waltz, Mimic's Gambit, Left Hand Strike (SM maneuvers)
Disturbing Blow (VM strike)
Brawler's Attitude (BB boost)
Flowing Creek (MC counter)

>>50752925
So you're telling me we're getting a "Deal With The Devil" class and the face character of the class is essentially a possessed Soldier 76?

I love this shit

>>50752925

You know, that's just as good.

I like this fellow. I like this fellow a lot.

>>50752936
>10 dex
>10 con
Why tho.

>>50752936
https://app.roll20.net/join/1770733/2aujeQ

>>50752963
Because aging making it expensive to get any more.

>>50752974
>aging
>9 strength
y

>>50752963
Thanks

>>50752981
Because minmaxing is bad.

Would you prefer:
Str: 8
Dex: 16
Con: 16
Int: 18
Wis: 14
Cha: 8

>>50752925
>I'm Already A Demon mixed with We're All Soldiers Now
Sign me the fuck up, Forrest.

>>50752957
Seriously though I really want to see how this ends up. This is utterly bizarre and I enjoy every bit of it.

Now to make a fake paladin with this idea in mind

How do you build a wizard capable of destroying a campaign? Other than through item crafting and doing lots of damages in combat?

>>50753081
>doing lots of damages in combat?
Not really the issue with a wizard.

The issue is attempted bypassing of encounters, which is often solved by a GMing thinking through the implications of the wizard's tool kit.

Dispel magic, teleportation, seek thoughts, divination, contact other plane, create undead, animate dead, knock, invisibility, fly, fabricate, animate object, dominate, and more. These are the kind of spells that hurt poorly thought out campaigns.

>>50753081
as >>50753106 mentioned, Their ability to twist campaigns is the real thing that makes them bust campaigns. Or least the poorly thought out ones.
and most of those mentioned are 3rd lv spells or lower. Meaning a 5th lv Wiz can get some rather potent toys early.

What are your guy's opinion on stuff written by super genius games? Is it shit or good?

>>50753385
They're very hit-or-miss. Take everything they make with a grain of salt because they don't understand balance properly, and what makes casters powerful. Stay away from the casters and you should get stuff that's decent - I particularly love the Mighty Godling.

>>50753414
Yeah that is exactly what I was looking at. I also really like their Gnoll race. Seems quite balanced.

Does anyone have the pastebin with the super built up and archetyped but first-party Fighter? I remember seeing it a few times and I'm trying to remember what tricks the author used, but it's eluding me right now. It was pretty high level and I remember a few of the obvious ones (Mutation Master) but feel like I'm missing the rest.

>>50753536
Autism Fighter?

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>>50753536
The filename might not be true.

>>50753550
I was looking for one that didn't use Path of War, although yeah, if you actually start using PoW stuff 'making a good fighter' gets a whole lot easier

>>50753545
Probably

>>50753550
Not first party unfortunately.

>>50753557
http://pastebin.com/hMmLECRV

There you go.

>>50753580
Thanks friend.

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