Horus Heresy General /hhg/

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>>50731283
>Poly-amorous Knights Sub Edition
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Acastus-Knight-Porphyrion
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/fw_warscrolls/Acastus-Knight-Porpyhrion.pdf

Pretty good, unless you face flare sheilds.

>>50731283
nth for night lords scheme is amazing on vehicles and shitty on infantry

>>50731283
What is this winter Storm thing, and will it give us loyalist Mechanicum?

First for how do Nuncio Vox's work when one of your detachments is Sworn brothers with its ally but the other detachment only sees the othe as Fellow Warriors.

I feel like my AL are friend zoning my Auxilia. Who can use who's Vox's?

>>50731322
U wot m8?

Pics for it sucking on infantry?

>>50731340
Maybe they can use yours but you don't trust theirs? All I'm certain is the army trusts the AL and if they say they've secured the control point then it must be so, but the AL doesn't trust some mortal's word about an objective being secured.

>>50731340
Read the vox rules:

"If one of the controlling player’s units wishes to arrive on the battleteld via Deep Strike and chooses to do so within 6" of a unit equipped with a nuncio-vox, then it will not scatter. "

has nothing to do with allegiance, only if you control it.

>Winter Storm Decima

Well, that's solved the problem of whether I should start Ordo Reductor or Legio Cybernetica this Christmas. It is clearly a portent from the Omnissiah, even if it's hitting on the wrong side of the pond to annoy me in southwest Britain.

I should probably hurry up with Scoria's Baneblade so I can put him in that when I'm not allying him in, though.

What do you do for Artillery tanks, fellow Craterists? I was thinking about mounting 3rd party guns in Chimera chassis, but I play at a GW and I'm worried they wouldn't allow it. Do they have a rule about how much 3rd party stuff you are allowed?
I would buy the FW Medusa, but it's really damn pricy and if I do something a bit more generic I can change up the artillery in between games thanks to glorious counts-as.

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>>50731430

Then why does Sworn Brothers specifically mention that they can use each other's Vox?

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>>50731333
Rules may or may not be here.

>>50731441
Get the FW Solar Aux medusa/basilisk kit. Better model, both barrels, and cheaper

>>50731464
Because FW is bad at rules. If you use a vox, you use the vox rules, not a reference to them. RAW you need but control the unit.

>>50731354
Personal taste, the lightning kinda works but the winged skull emblem and skull helms are too exaggerated. Whereas for vehicles of all stripes, the emblems work well and the lightning looks amazing. These guys are meant to strike terror into the enemy through abusing their fears, dressing up like a scooby-doo villian doesnt work well for that.

Also, i've been reading a bunch of WWII stuff recently, and the terror effect of the wehrmacht's blitzkrieg and tank platoons on infantry has combined with my nascent enjoyment of being the scariest thing in the grim derp future. Maybe i could make some pre-nostraman group to lose the batwing motif

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decided to set up My Dudes on the shelves to make more space on my dresser for my cat. where do you guys keep your legions?

>>50731529
On a shelf with my books and other toys.

>>50731283
Please help out with advice.

I want to do some Solar Auxilia, but I am unsure what colour scheme to use.

Thinking about going Luna Wolvish white and black and calling them Sellenic Fusiliers.
I am itching to try a nice white and I think it futs spaaaaace.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLMuv5dc-rQ

SWORN TO AVENGE
CONDEMN TO HELL
TEMPT NOT THE BLADE
ALL FEAR THE SENTINEL

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>>50731529
All over the painting table, on shelves in a cupboard (a normal person would have filled that part of the wardrobe with clothes but whatevs), and on the bookshelf in front of my books. It's a good system.

Pic unrelated.

>>50731430
Pretty much this >>50731464, anon. Why would it specify? One would think the master of ambush trait would be able to infiltrate any 3 allies units, but it turns out you cannot do so to mere fellow Warriors.

I think AL characters can join army units, but army characterss cannot join AL units.

>>50731529
On the Piano and my book-case.

>>50731513
>These guys are meant to strike terror into the enemy through abusing their fears, dressing up like a scooby-doo villian doesnt work well for that.

This is 40k though, the exaggerated aesthetic is the whole point.
And the Night Lords aren't wearing halloween costumes; the point isn't to scare WITH the costume, they rely on their tactics and their reputation for acts of torture/murder to scare people, with the lightning-covered batman costumes playing on innate pre-rational fear response.
And let's not forget that they wear flayed skin and faces like 40k Templars wear purity seals.

>>50731592
Good taste, but not edgy enough for Curze.

>>50731478
On one hand, that's still a bit more expensive than the kitbash I was planning on. On the other hand, it's sexy as hell.
Man, spending my christmas money will be difficult this year, so many things I want.

>>50731594
Wolfgnus

>>50731660
Magan Russ

Butcher's Nails. I don't quite understand what they look like; the cables in Angron's skull seem to be more like dreadlocks than plugged into anything.

>>50731464
To expand on >>50731494
The other ally levels would have to say they cant use them. The sworn brothers one technically does nothing as written and has no actual affect.

>>50731623
The Chimera chassis isn't particularly fluffy for Solar Auxilia. People generally let it go when it comes to Cults & Militia, but it's not void-sealed enough for SA. Heck, the Chimera chassis doesn't even seem to exist in M31.

You'll spend more money but save some time and you'll have both barrels.

How well do the EC actually hold up in play? particularly the 3rd Company ROW, since I am totally down for Noise Marines.

>>50731715
The cables on the outside connect parts of his brain to parts of his spine and some glands.
There's also titchy cables on the inside.
They're actually described as looking like dreadlocks upon occasion in the books.

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>>50731594

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>>50731758
I heard they rock bodies, break hearts and shatter souls with their good looks and kightly behaviour.

>>50731622
This is 30k that we're talking about, this is before they become caricatures warped by chaos despite their revilement of it. They used terror tactics and sneak attacks to destabilise rather than enjoying the terror like a post-fall EC, they only wore peoples faces when they knew the face they wore would terrify someone. I want something like the what the Night Lords trilogy portayed them as, those who were around for the great crusade, those who were rational slaughterers rather than bloodthirsty madmen. There are those ten millennia later who look back with some form of regret that this is the way it has to end.
>And let's not forget that they wear flayed skin and faces like 40k Templars wear purity seals.
This is what i want to avoid, with a fairly clean, efficient-looking mechanised force. Putting batwings on your helmet and wearing skins to every battle just looks silly, imo, especially if you'll be fighting other astartes. Maybe HQs will have the full terror equipment, but rank and file and vehicles will not.

>>50731821
Alright, it sounds like you have a very clear idea of what you want "your dudes" to be, and that's a good thing.

Are yours loyalist or traitor?

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>>50731821
MkV all the way

>>50731751
Well, it's Ordo Reductor, who like expendable armour en masse, but I do see your point. I think I'll buy what I need for an army, then see what I have left for artillery, anyway.

>>50731821
Don't be so hard on them, and remember they were the worst team members and everyone did their own thing. They barely recognized their own comanders, Sevatar could only hold them together through hard work.
Wearing people is part of their Nostraman culture, like the SoHs wearing gold-dipped skulls without even trying to scare people.

Let them wear other people, anon, most marines in 30k did know fear.

>>50731853
Nominally loyalist, but i dont want to limit myself too hard since theres often narrative campaigns, or at least games, and being able to make numbers for either side is useful
>>50731861
I run a mk4 IF list at the moment, so i was going to do a crusade list with any infantry in cataphract and mk2
>>50731909
But the scheme looks actually acceptable on infantry if the blue is midnight enough infantry is at least clean

>>50731529
Where are the hazard stripes on your IW?

>>50731984
back to the pain glove with you

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>>50731938
MkII is fine too

>>50731938
On a similar note, on Istvaan III Morturg notes how Sabrahn and his Berzerkers wear impaled traitor heads on their backpacks and comments how, despite being somewhat disturbing, he's glad to have them on his side.

I wish his rules weren't shit.

>>50731513
Remember, it's not just lightning on their armor. They record the reactions of their victims and play those reactions back all across their armor. In between the lightning flashes are horrified and half-flayed faces.

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>>50731861
Is that you, depleted colour particles nuln oil NL friend?

Good to see you again! The glistening is still cool.

>>50732058
Yes but I call it badab black.

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>>50731909
>Brother is that a skinned baby?
>You terran weakling, a baby's skin is the height of terror
>But you are wearing it as a scarf
>Its from our last campaign while you were taking objectives I was doing real work
>Brother...
>And its not one baby its three, all from the same hab unit, stitched with their mothers sinew
>You disgust me, I'm glad Nostromo was destroyed
>So am I brother, more babies for me

>>50731821
Yes, the wings are a little cartoony, or a LOT cartoony when they're actually modeled on helmets like in old 40k.

Focus on skulls and lightning and you'll be fine. Where wings are molded on, don't paint them in a shade of red, use a dark gray that almost blends into the blue or the same bone as the skull (okay, it'd actually be the color of dried-out bat wing skin, not bone, but close enough).

>>50732076
Truly, ancient colours!

I finally also started with Iron Hands as apparently many did with BoP dropping.

Feels good to be painting again, even though I will start my new job in January and will probably be not really able to paint much for 3 months minimum.

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>>50732086
Yes! More terror!

Good writong, man.

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>>50732086
>>You disgust me, I'm glad Nostromo was destroyed
>>So am I brother, more babies for me
Kek, I guess this is how NL comebacks would be

>>50732133
wanna post pics of your iron hands. part of me wants to start them but the other part wants to hold out til inferno to get the juicy rules for thousand sons

>>50731529

In a toolbox with egg foam.

May switch to an actual army case since it is much more space efficient for infantry. If not a full cast then maybe just foam trays for infantry and egg foam for the bigger stuff.

Anons, why do you like Nth legion, what do you see in them?

I like the Iron Warriors and Death Guard simply because I identify with them. Yup, I'm that fucked up.

What about you? I've seen lots of TS just waiting to pounce on the Inferno.

>>50732246
I like them because they're like me: intelligent, nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humor.

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>>50732246

>>50732199
Finishing my other projects first, to use my enthusiasm to clean up my backlog first before I get to do IH stuff.

Also, admittedly, de-rusting my painting skills.

You miht want to wait for Thousand sons if you prefer them. I would have preffered plastic MKII, but chose MKIII and thus Iron Hands when it was clear that BoP would not be the hoped for.

They are copp and I like them and their rules, but I sure do plan some side projects after I finished my initial 3k points. That will take long enough though.

>>50732246
Iron Tenth for their tragic fate and qualities they expose I wish I had more of, a staunch set of working ethics and fire in their stomachs.

I am a pretty mellow go myself.

>>50732133
I really liked the Age of Darkness podcast's segment on painting them. Basically the idea was to cool the base color with a bit of blue and warm the metallic trim with a bit of brown to add some contrast to a scheme that normally wouldn't have any.

>>50732270
I thought TSs loved life and culture. That sounds like IW in my opinion.

>>50732246
I really like death guard, infantry need only apply, endurance, no flashy gubbins. But I hate nurgle as much as GW hates australia

The obvious answer would be loyalist death guard, but they mostly died on Istavann. And garro's a lame ass.

>>50732398
You are being meme'd with friend.

>>50732370
Hmm, I should really start listening to them then.
I heard a lot about them and I would not mind advice on colour theory.

>>50732446
>And garro's a lame ass.
But he's half the reason Horus wasn't able to Sweep Advance Terra!

>>50732446
>but they mostly died on Istavann

That didn't stop Crysos Morturg, why should it stop you?

>>50732398
Oh, I was just meming as I thought you were talking about the Night Lords.

I like the Imperial Fists because they're "autistic" in that they're no-nonsense and the "autism" slur is all less functional legions can throw at them.

>>50732446
Take loyalist Deathguard, enough survived to kick traitor guard repainted as Dusk Raiders.

Popgoesthemonkey on shapeways even sells Dusk Raider looking shoulder pads.

>>50732488
Reminder it was Tarvitz who kelt everyone from being bumm fucked and he is forgotten....

>>50732246
I like TS because space wizards.

I like WE because with mkiv they look like protagonist Gundams

>>50732446
I identify with parts of corax. Want to help but i could just kill everyone... nah ill be nice. Except the station i dunked into a star. Fuck them.

Am I missing something or do Quad lasers vs Laser Destroyers seem like a no contest?

Laser destroyers roll 1 twin linked shot but roll 2d6 take the highest for pen.

Laser destroyers roll 2 shots twin linked shots but roll 1D6 for pen

So in either case I'm probably rolling 2D6 dice for penetration but the Destroyers are take the highest while the Quads are roll 2D6 but take either of them.

On top of this quad lascannons put out more shots against things they'll probably pen/wound anyway.


Maybe it would make sense if Destroyers were AP1 but currently I can't see why you would ever use them.

>>50732246
>>50732538
Whoops it refreshed dodnt notice and replied to wrong person

>>50731738

Okay so what about Alpha Legion ICs joining Auxilia units or Vice versa?

>>50732510
If there was plastic mk II that would be the perfect army for me.

>>50732473
Last time I checked, nihilism was the lack of belief on the value of life. What better nihilists are there other than the Iron Warriors, whom know themselves to be barely remarkable, replaceable, one of many whose whole existence will be one of thankless sacrifice for a cause they don't believe in, for the rest of their immortal lives until they're killed in battle or worse, they die in a simple commuting accident.
Or worse, they fail and get unceremoniously executed by their own Primarch's hand.
Few can get any more depressed than that.
>>50732525
I never forget Tarvitz. He's the other half. The half that died on Istvaan

>>50732473
Eye of Horus is the fun and crazy podcast.

Radio Free Isstvan is the one you listen to for rules discussions and list building.

Age of Darkness is mostly about Black Library book discussions and fluff, but this year they had a "how to paint legion __" segment. It started out pretty lousy, but after everyone complained about the Blood Angels episode they got a guest star (usually Miles from Lil' Legend Studios) to do the heavy lifting. They're great segments. The rest of the podcast can be a little annoying because the two dudes don't seem well coordinated, and one of them often has little to say... but I do like the content a lot.

There a lot more but I haven't tried them all. I did check out Geno Five-Two and the Varangian Heresy, and didn't really enjoy them. But I'm open to suggestions or rebuttals.

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>>50732541
>Maybe it would make sense if Destroyers were AP1 but currently I can't see why you would ever use them.
I think this profile is the most up to date. Destroyers explode things better, but suffer double when cover/invuln saves are involved due to being single shot

>>50732731
>Age of Darkness is mostly about Black Library book discussions and fluff
Oh, and I did listen to After Ullanor. They do book discussions, but you can't really say they talk about fluff. It's like a movie review where they don't discuss the themes or how it fits into the bigger picture - it's all, "And in this scene, Dude A does an awesome move and knocks out Dude B! How cool was that?" Kind of like the How Did This Get Made? podcast about bad movies. Not for me.

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>>50732731
Oh okay, thank you for the advice.
Hopefully this will feed my lust to draw paint.

>>50732611
The nihilism and wicked sense of homour line is a meme, just wanted to explain. Not saying it is not true.

>Have Faith Wordbearer.

Its just that allmost all loyalist EC seem dead, even the ship that "warned" the Cyclops Cluster was just full of dead EC...

>Other loyalists get mentioned being active later.

>>50732793
After Ullanor and Imperial Truth are annoying because they fit holes in the community, but they really suck in terms of quality. The guys behind them are boring and kind of stupid.

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>>50732780

Yeah but in the same book it shows the laser destroyer as AP2. Granted AP1 makes way more sense and I'll happily play that in my meta.

>>50732819
>Its just that allmost all loyalist EC seem dead, even the ship that "warned" the Cyclops Cluster was just full of dead EC...
There's the 34th Millennial who may have turned into the Death Eagles.

>>50731529
In the armycase I transport it in, because all my shelf space is already crammed full with books, Lotr models, 2 companies of marines, 80 or so grey knights ...

>>50732843
Back in the day I asked the same to FW about Laser Destroyer Arrays. They told me S9 48" AP1 Twin linked Ordnance was the correct profile, and that it would be corrected in oncoming publications. Months later, the Crusade Imperialist list was published, with the "correct" profile fixed. Take this as you want

>>50732843

Laser Destroyer vs Laser Destroyer Array

Two different things.

In the case you posted here, Quad Lascannons are usually better since more shots means they have to take/pass more saves.

Until you posted this I had no idea what the comparison you were looking at was for.

>>50732900
He is talking about Superheavy Sponsons.

LDA's are mounted on Rapier batteries and Vindicator Tank Destroyers.

They are two different, confusingly named weapons

>>50732923
What nooo. Aren't they the same thing?

>>50732942
Nope. Whoever wrote those rules must have connections with Alpharius.

They also still didn't include the Laser-destroyer Array profile in the AoD armylist, which makes me REEEEEEEEEEE at the incompitence

>>50732871
Just read this as well, I thouht it funny mentioning a House Orlanth household attached to the 34th Millenial (Death Eagles) being able to return to their homeworld.

As Orlanth or Orlac, whatever, where loyal it makes those EC loyal per association.

Still, no diret mentioning sadly. But thanks for helping me out there, I am bad at chapters.

>>50732979
I'd love to hear the fluff difference between 4 lascannons and 4 lascannons.

No, I'm not mad I can't put 48" laser destroyers on my Falchion.

>>50733012
Lascannon is a single beam.
LDA's are fire in pulses at the same point.

>>50733041
Destroyer Arrays shoot a combined single beam, that's the whole point of an array: to work in unison.
Quad lascannons shoot two at a time.

do dedicated transports count for Ultramarine's Interlocking Tactics? like...if I do Orbital Assault and shoot with my Drop Pod's combi-bolters first, would that trigger it?

>>50733153
Yis.

>>50733041
>Laser Destroyer
>36" S9 AP1 Ordnance 1, Twin-Linked
>"a series of powerful impacts micro-seconds apart"

>Laser Destroyer Array
>48" S9 AP1 Ordnance 1, Twin-Linked
>"fires a burst of short pulses microseconds apart"

>>50733168
coo

Is anyone having problems posting?

>>50732942
Laser Destroyer array is on the Vindicator, right?
I think there are rules on the FW site, though I don't know the currentness or legality of them though.

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This really makes me want to get a brass scorpio

>>50733176
I think we've reached the point of having too many weapons.

>>50733190
Those of us posting obviously aren't...

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>>50733238
>Those of us posting obviously aren't...
I was just checking because I couldn't post in a while.

>>50733190
I got 99 problems but shitposting ain't one.

Crysos Morturg sounds pretty rad. Is he worth making a list for? I imagine you lose some stuff due to being Loyalist.

>>50733237
Ooh, nice.

>>50733320
Neither Deathshroud nor Grave Wardens are traitor only, if that's what you're asking. And if you want to bring Mortarion or Typhon, say it's mid Crusade

>>50733320
Nope, allmist all DG goodies are for everyone.Except Rask,Typhon and the poison cloud grave warden rite.

>>50733237

That's a nice looking army. I really like the bases as well, normally I tend to go for quite muted toned but that really does look like a Martian surface.

>>50733390
>>50733237
Yes, it is a very nice army, bases included.

What kind of bases do you use? I'm interested in learning how to make urban or rubble-themed bases.

Are the Zone Mortalis GW bases any good for that? The ones in the official artwork look far too bright and colourful for my tastes, but I think they'd look bare in drab colours.

>>50732246
I really like Dorn, I see a lot of myself in the Imperial Fists. With a bit of Curze and Pert thrown in. Yeah, I'm weird.

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>>50733418

I tend to use urban bases as well. I usually just use a very fine gravel (I sieved the gravel GW sell to remove the big bits), then throw some wire (pipes) and a few bits of cut up sprue (bricks). Base Black > Eshen grey > Codex grey > ink black > highlight fortress grey and paint the rim black again. Then a few white lines to look like markings.

I think GW's moulded bases are pretty good, I just couldn't be arsed to rebase them all again (went from 25 to 32mm). They paint up quite well in earthy tones.

>>50733390
>>50733418
Its not my army, im not that talented unfortunately. The army belongs to Poom: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288089-but-blood-blood-is-forever/page-13 he is a big inspiration for my dark mechanicum.

>>50733528
Interesting.

Thoughts on Astrogranite?
And on pre-made bricks like Pegasus hobbies makes?

>>50733574

Both pretty good I'd say. I've never used Astrogranite but everyone seems to have a good opinion of it, Looks a bit plane by itself though.

A few pieces of small slate also look pretty good but I usually put them under the model while building it.

>>50731283
Probably a skubtastic question, but what legion/legions are considered the most bro-tier?

I don't mean in fluff relations from legion to legion, just which legion would you most enjoy spending time around? What about their Primarch?

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>>50733668

Plain*, God I need to sleep.

>>50732246
> i like memes
> i invented an AL meme
> i like AL

>>50733346
Now I just wanna see deathshroud in dusk raider colours

>>50733681
Yes, it seems rather plain to me. Though that looks good as the setting of a moon or asteroid-themed army.
I have yet to use it properly but I think it might be interesting if applied thick enough on a base with other decorations (sprues and the like) and given a good mix of shading.

>>50733672
I hear the Sallies and Blood Angels are very friendly, but many loyalists had fun in the WE fighting pits, like Amit and Sigismund (whom took the whole chained weapon idea from them).

On the other hand, I think the ECs and UM are nice but a bit snobby, and there's an account of an army commander serving alongside the Fists and he swears he never saw them smile at all.

Surprisingly, I think you're going to have a nice time in the IW if you are smart, you'll eventually learn how to be remorseless.
Or you'll become smarter if you are already like that.

The DG and SW have the best drinks.

>>50733705
Aloha marine with the melta coconuts? Wooo

>>50733672
>what legion/legions are considered the most bro-tier?
It basically boils down to ultramarines, blood angels, and salamanders. Honorable mentions to the fists and thousand sons, but both have their extreme personalities.

If raven guard were more sociable they'd be on the list, too.

>>50733769

Luna Wolves were alright before the whole heresy thing.

>>50732246
The White Scars - contemplative, artistic, disorganized, a little bit "out there", none of that usual space marine No Retreat attitude... I hate painting white but they are definitely my kind of guys.

>>50733672
If I'm not mistaken, I recall reading somewhere that the Luna Wolves were fairly bro-tier as well (could have just been an inter-legion thing though)

>>50733672
Ultramarines, easy.

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>>50732246
I like Iron Hands because it's a simple but sexy paint scheme, TANKS, cyborgs are rad, and [spoilers]they still have pretty good rules[/spoilers].

Plus they have these guys, the most handsome and versatile models in the HH line.

>>50733705
Which meme?

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Imperial Army official ranking of Legions to serve with:

>We're all gonna make it-tier
Raven Guard, Salamanders

>They'll look out for us-tier
Ultramarines, Blood Angels, Space Wolves

>We'll get a fair shake-tier
Imperial Fists, Sons of Horus, Thousand Sons, Word Bearers

>We do our job, they'll do theirs-tier
White Scars, Iron Hands, Emperor's Children,

>Watch your back-tier
Alpha Legion, Dark Angels, Death Guard

>Put your affairs in order-tier
Iron Warriors, World Eaters, Night Lords

>>50733829
Same, there's no better place to field tons of Dreadnoughts and Sicarians, plus their special units are pretty good.

This picture makes me wonder, has anyone figured out the best recipe for oily marines? It looks badass, but there's no good how-to videos anywhere

>>50733890
>Ultramarines anything but alone at the very top tier

>>50733824
I always think if Ultramarines as
>So you guys follow the Principia Belicosa or, like, what do you do?
>...this one I won at the defense of Thalassaria, and this one after Gardinal, and this one...
>So, your your planet has, like, no eagles or something?
>Weheeell, that's not how we do things back in the five huuuundred woooorlds
>Is it laurels time?

>>50733949
That's just because you're bias against Ultramarines.

My only real issue with the Iron Hands is the boring colorscheme

>>50733968
Which colour schemes do you like then?

>>50733890
>They'll look out for us-tier
>Space Wolves
>Iron Hands in anything other than Write Your Will tier

>>50734046
>>Iron Hands in anything other than Write Your Will tier
All in all, they were just asking their mortal allies to do their job. It's only that their way of asking that adds "or by the Gorgon we will kill you ourselves! :((( " At the end

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So after acquiring shitton of Calth boxes and BoP Boxes I have built the following for my TS force

2x20 men Tac squad.
10 men plasma support squad
10 men melta support squad
10 men heavy bolter
10 men rocket launcher
10 men planning to be seekers with combi plasma soon
+ various sergeants with weapons

so now I have about 20 ish mkiii armor dudes left. What should I make with them?
Can't do assault squad due to lack of mkiii jump packs, uncertain on if any volkite men.

>>50734140
Another Seeker squad or 5 more tacticals plus 5 apothecaries so you can do 3x15 squads.

>>50733890
Would maybe switch the SW with WS but otherwise looks about right.

Depending on their agents, AL could probably fluctuate from the current spot to the UM one.

>>50734122
>All in all, they were just asking their mortal allies to do their job.
we're talking Iron-Warriors-tier "jobs", here

>>50733890
except when the blood angels are having a bad day

>>50733890
>>We do our job, they'll do theirs-tier
>White Scars, Iron Hands, Emperor's Children,
I'd put Iron Hands in Watch your back-tier. Iron Hands built a lot of distrust with the army by using them as bait and letting them be slaughtered so that their tanks could encircle the enemy. They didn't give a fuck about army casualties if it meant better efficiency with their own legion; it's like regular human auxiliaries didn't even count as losses.

>>50733968
I dunno, their oil slick look is one of the coolest. For me, the schemes are:

>Best all-around
World Eaters, Death Guard, Raven Guard, Dark Angels

>If done well then top-tier
Iron Hands, Imperial Fists, Iron Warriors, Luna Wolves

>kinda boring most of the time
Ultras, Blood Angels, Iron Warriors, 1k Sons

>Not my thing
Emperor's Children, Space Wolves, White Scars, Salamanders, Alpha Legion

>traitorfilthuglydaemonkysfagsgoaway
Word Bitches

>>50734429
Given the expense of creating, training and equipping a legionnaire compared to just handing some dude a lasgun its hard to argue that they represent anywhere near the same strategic value. Iron Hands knew how to play the numbers in their favor, and if that meant that they'd spent two normal humans to save a normal human and an astartes then they knew to go with the latter so the first two deaths would be put to best possible use.

>>50734418
Isn't that mostly a post-heresy thing because of the black rage?

>>50734429
I suppose that's pretty harsh, but unless they lie to the army and let the army go unprepared into the fight, then all they're asking them to do is fight hard. After all, an "anvil" to their "hammer" would not serve its purpose if it could offer no resistance.
The tactic of letting your troops lose deliberately is something the Alpha Legion does anyway, not really in line with the "we must function at peak efficiency" mindset the IH have.

>>50734545
>>50734508
I don't disagree with either of these viewpoints, but since I assumed the tier list was from the perspective of a guardsman (i.e., which legion would you rather fight with) it seemed worth mentioning that being assigned to work with the Iron Hands would probably suck. You'd win, but you'd also be dead.

>>50734175
So, is it just me or is the army comps always focused on redundancy?

Are 1 seeker or 2 units of tacticals that insufficient to get stuff done?

>>50734701
well, it's important

relying on a single unit for anything means being fucked when that unit inevitably gets turned into goop

Posted this in the 40k general, but figured this might have more book followers:

My friend recommended me the Warhammer Eisenhorn book, but I know nothing about this world and I certainly can't afford to play the game. Does this book work as an introductory text?

>>50734140
Perhaps you could sit on them until we find out what the TS rules and special units are?
Else I'd say you couldn't go wrong making a Veteran squad with power weapons (though again, I'd be surprised if TS don't get some kind of legion-specific unit or special weapons, so you might want to wait).

If I might ask,

>1) Why did you make Heavy Bolter squads?
I don't see them being that useful outside of veteran squads for anyone save IF, IW, and DG, and for the first two they might suffer from competing in the Heavy slot rather than being non-compulsory troops like the DG has.

>2) What did you do with the special characters and the two different marks of Terminator?

>>50734701
having a small number of scoring units lets your opponent focus on killing them off too easily even if it means allowing high power scary units to live for longer than you'd think would be safe. if all your troops die your only way to win is by tabling them, so at that point all they have to do is stay alive and score more secondaries that you while getting at least one primary and you auto lose.

>>50734747
I've never read it.
The wikis (1d4chan included) are good for general introductions, but if you want the "feel" of the setting, I'd recommend the video games "Space Marine" and "Dawn of War", as well as the comic "Damnation Crusade".

https://www.scribd.com/doc/17466291/Damnation-Crusade

>>50734637
Perhaps, but all you might need to do is hunker down in a trench or huddle in the back of a Chimera while the tanks and big guns do their work.
If the Iron Hands weren't there, it'd be no different than being in an environment where you were the "anvil" for a force of Imperial Army tanks, except the Iron Hands are more likely to win as quickly and efficiently as possible.

The list was more or less talking about the attitudes of the legions towards their human allies anyway. Otherwise the Imperial Fists would rank a lot lower by being siege-oriented, although as defensive siege experts they might be buoyed a bit by the tendency of siege conditions to "force multiply" even puny humans.

What I mean by "attitudes" is that Iron Hands won't go out of their way to screw over or waste their human allies, whereas a legion in "watch your back tier" like the Death Guard would send humans into a radiated zone that would kill them within a few hours, if they had enough of them to wear down the enemy. The Iron Hands would sneer at the humans' inefficiency before sending in a handful of Gorgon terminators to do the job for them.

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>>50734765
>heavy bolter
eh, I like dakka and they aren't purposefully god awful pieces of shit like rotor cannons.

>Characters
One of the boxes I got second hand didn't have cataphract termies. I made a praetor with paragon blade and made one into primaris medicae by cobbling some irrelevant bits.

I kept one of the chaplain as is, the other two I converted into vigilator and librarian.

Terminators were just assembled in a mixed array of kits. Both types have one guy with double claws (oops)

>>50734747
Read the Caiphus Cain novels. They are designed as introductions to the universe with references to ever new words introduced.

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>>50734747
Have at it.

Sanguinius when

I realize having a Dreadnought safely arriving where you need it is powerful...but 100 pts? For +25/+35 pts I could get yet another Dread.
It's not like it can assault the same turn it deepstrikes, like Ye Olde Lucius Drop Pods.

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>>50734924
Okay. I have a hunch that TS will get some kind of forerunner to psybolts, so you might be vindicated in the end.

Rotor Cannons are statistically equal to the same number of bolters versus marines and GEQs, when fired on the move. When they stand still they have the advantage of 6 extra inches of range and another shot each.
They're useless against toughness 7 though.
I'd never considered them before, but it's astounding how perfectly sub-optimal they are. If they were salvo 4/5 they might be more interesting.

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>>50733890
Imperial Army official ranking of Legions to serve with:

>They'll look out for us-tier
Salamanders

>We will die for an important objective with plentiful supplies tier
Ultramarines

>We will die for an important objective tier
Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Raven Guard

>We will die for some objective of no real importance tier
Imperial Fists, Sons of Horus, Thousand Sons

>It will be glorious when we die for the [insert deity] tier
Word Bearers

>They probably won't shoot us while we die tier
White Scars, Emperor's Children

>Watch your back-tier
Dark Angels

>Our corpses will be chemically contaminated tier
Death Guard

>We will die to make it interesting tier
Alpha Legion

>Blue on Blue is in your future tier
Iron Warriors, Iron Hands

>So dead you might as well punch your C.O. tier
World Eaters

>Suicide is preferable tier
Night Lords

>>50735424
>Iron Hands
>blue on blue

???

>>50735424
>>We will die for some objective of no real importance tier
Imperial Fists, Sons of Horus, Thousand Sons
Is there actually any fluff of the TS serving with the Auxillia?

>>50735456
They kill guard who fail their autistic superhuman standards

>>50735481
they had their proserpine guard

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>>50735482
The IW will use mortals as expendable cannon fodder. I mean that's what they are, but not necessarily just that
The WE will execute those regiments whom they consider have failed them. Yes, even after they win the battle.

The IH will expect you to behave as if you were T5 like them, and will subject regiments who fail them to servitorification, which is a fate arguably worse than death.

The RG used to treat mortals kind of like IW-lite, but Corax made sure they did away with that, replaced with muh heroics

I doubt mortals could even survive where the DG fought, even other legions struggled.

>>50735501
Yeah exactly. Thats kind of a different thing altogether.

>>50735586
Are they not part of the imperial army at all?

>>50735605

They were planetary defense forces iirc

>>50735618
IIRC they helped the Tsons out, with compliance.

Lexicanum quotes a thousand sons. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Prospero_Spireguard

So depending on how canon that is for ya.

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Experimenting with this format of meme.

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>>50735694
I like it.

>>50735780
Perfect.

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>>50735790
I do have a gramatical issue about it, however.
You cannot say "his actions tipped Perturabo" if "his" is also Perturabo. And I kind of didn't understand the last sentence.
But the rest is nice.

>>50735424
>night lords
>not "We Are Better Soldiers Than Them tier"
>word bearers
>not "90% Shore Leave While the Legion Dicks Around Handing Out Bibles"

>>50735694
Mind doing some for the other Primarchs?

>>50735456

Someone post the quote from the Yeomanry Regiment that were obliterated while fighting alongside the Iron Hands.

>>50736092
Working on one right now.

>>50736100
They'll be biased though.

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>>50736100

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>>50734747
You might ask yourself if it's worth running the risk of becoming interested in the game by reading the books.

This thread, however, is about the Horus Heresy, which is basically a prequel to Warhammer 40,000 set 10,000 years earlier and exclusively about human(ish) factions. The results set up the 40k galaxy. For this setting, you'd want to read the Horus Heresy novels or just the PDF copies of the Forge World black books (1-6 so far) in the OP.

For 40k, I second the recommendation to read the Ciaphas Cain books - after going through Lexicanum and 1d4chan for a quick primer.

>>50736154
>By the Gorgon
Does this stuff trigger anyone else? It's such a fantasy cliche.

>>50736154
Pretty harsh, but depending on the context the Iron Hands could be saving them from being cut down by the enemy or from letting their other allies be flanked or encircled.

>>50736198
People say things like "By God" in real life though.

>>50736214
Yeah thats my point. Changing it to 'by the Gorgan' is just the lowest effort of world building possible.

Its like changing expletives to something else to get around ratings.

Will I have to model all my veterans for strict WYSWYG?

Given their plethora of options and combinations, I'm feeling bit eh~ about trying to have an inflated collection of veteran models to represent all their variety.

I mean I understand that missle launchers and shit needs modelling, but am I gonna have to get a powersword squad, combi weapon squad + other dudes?

>>50736241

It's a culture that has expressly thrown away the concept of Gods though. Now the Iron Hands swear by Ferrus Manus, i.e. the Gorgon.

>>50736241
>Its like changing expletives to something else to get around ratings.
Like what the frakk?
If people swear by the Emperor, why not by Ferrus the Based one?

>>50734765
>I don't see them being that useful outside of veteran squads for anyone save IF, IW, and DG,
>Forgetting DA
>Forgetting the Legion that makes HBs into OP infantry murdering weapons
Molecular Acid Shells, son.

>>50736275

Wait, what?

>>50735694

Do one for Alpharius

>>50736241
I agree with you on that count.

I'd like to see more inventive swears, and I absolutely despise real swears altered like how the Alpha Legion book presented "fugging" as the future replacement for "fucking", as if everyone in 40k turns into Spurdo when they swear. I remember the old Star Wars EU having bad, barely altered swear words.

Ultimately though, the "by deity" swear is such a fundamental swear that I can't fault it for being included, even if more inventive swears aren't included in its stead.

>>50736275
Whoa, I've not looked at DA before this, but that seems pretty damn powerful.

>>50736289
For an extra 5 points Dark Angel heavy bolters get an additional ammo type that wounds on 2+ with AP d6. They're nasty.

>>50736257
So has most of western culture and yet jesus christ and by god have stuck around. Like I said it triggers me because I find it terribly lazy and unimaginative. Its the same criticism I see leveled at SW naming, just slap whatever the faction resembles or worship in front of it and call it a day.

>>50736260
>Like what the frakk?
Exactly. Brandon Sanderson is an author who does the same and everytime I read it I just sigh.

>>50736329
>Like I said it triggers me because I find it terribly lazy and unimaginative
Eek barba durkle looks like someone's getting laid in college
I hope you get the reference

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>>50736116
Which one?
Also, hhg, I hope you like the meme series we've had.

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>>50736313

>>50736416
It's gonna be great.

Hey guys, how's the Shadowsword in 30k? I've gotten the crazy idea to acquire and use one as a Legion LoW (I'm not Iron Warriors though).2

>>50736711
Its cheap in dollars but outclassed completely by the Falchion in terms of effectiveness

>>50736746

Im willing to compromise effectiveness for a cool $100+

>>50736828

*$100+ price difference

I basically aim to make an affordable competitive legion army without turning to the chinamen

Should I sell my mastodon and just get another spartan?

Do you think the rules have a chance of changing at all?

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Behold.

>>50736623
kek

>>50736906
Righteous.

Is there a download link for the Perpetual audio drama yet?

>>50736906

My sides have been legitimately damaged.

>>50736906
my grandfather asked what i'm giggling at

Anon from last thread about SW termie preator.
I have a bunch of bits left over, and feel like doing two legion veteran squads, with representatives from all the other legions.
There will be at least one SW in each 10 man squad, have yet to decide if I want two alpha legionnaires.
Tell me what armor/weapon loadout (from the vet squad) works for that legion the best.

Idea is they are 'on loan' from other legions to learn from the Wolves.
This probably means the DA will have to be badass so the wolves tolerate him.

>>50736877

If you want another Spartan, you should buy one without selling the Mastodon, unless you can sell it at little to no loss. It's worth keeping the Mastodon around just for fun or as a display piece.

>Do you think the rules have a chance of changing at all?

Not to the point where you want it to be, which is likely so competitive that people buy it even if they don't like the model.

>>50736877
Stats get changed with a new red book every couple of black books, sometimes sooner if the 40k rules change.

>>50736248
Yes.

>>50736248
If you're going to play in a WYSWYG environment, obviously yes.

Playing WYSWYG gets more complicated if you're going to play a squad with very varied gear though. Like if you play a squad modelled to have all power swords, but as if they have combi-weapons, if you're going to say that they all have combi-meltas, it'll be fine in gameplay, but it's not really intuitive to say that half have combi-flamers and the other half combi-meltas, for example, if there's nothing to easily distinguish them visually and keep track of who's been killed off or not.

A good rule of thumb for WYSIWYG if you're not going to follow it, is to keep your shit to one simple sentence.

"This squad has CCWs," or "This sergeant has a power sword" is fine. "This sergeant has a power sword and combi-weapon, and these two models have CCWs but the rest don't, and the Lascannon heavy weapons squad is actually a volkite support squad, also this squad actually has all flamers I just didn't have enough models to-"

No. Fuck off with that shit.

A workaround for WYSIWYG where you need specific models to be different from models that look exactly like them is to put different coloured or marked masking tape or post-it-notes on the models' bases.

Like in the example of the fully power-sword unit, you say the ones that have red stickers on the base are combi-meltas while the ones without them are combi-plasmas.

There's a limit to the complexity you can do practically with WYSIWYG, but play it by ear.

>>50737623
>>50737686
>>50737715
Give me what kind of veteran kits you like then so I can configure as appropriate.

I'm assuming that barebones in equipment is the most popular thing with all just powerswords.

Legion is undecided.

>>50737776
Depends on legion.

I have IW guys I sometimes combine as a veteran tactical squad, and only two of them are different from regular tacticals - Heavy Bolters, naturally. This is for the troop requirements of Pride of the Legion, I'd probably make them more melee-capable or more MSU-melta based if I was intending on using them as the "tip of the spear".

Does anyone else get annoyed at being told they're playing their legion "wrong"?

>>50737953
I'm considering making a mechanised Night Lords, so in future i probably will. Still, the tears of those who try to use mortars and other anti-infantry methods to deal with the usual footslogging NL lists will sustain me.

>>50737953
What do you play and how?

>>50737985
>>50737953
My 1000pt NL list is bikes instead of raptors so I probably will get told soon enough

>>50737953

Yeah it's a big galaxy, if I want female space marines it's my army.

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Atomantic Pavaise Lascannon Deredeo, flanked by two squads of Tyrant Siege Terminators rolls into the club and slaps your gf on the ass. What do?

>>50738054
Introduce them to my four inductii blobs

>>50738084
Assuming they manage to avoid all my fire, I can see how they would be a problem.

Let's move the challenge to them: how do you hard-counter multiple Inductii blobs?

>>50738003
Don't see why most of this shit comes from 3.5. bikes are fast attack

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How's that backlog coming?

>>50738146
Poorly.
Moving house and going to college means I haven't even gotten my Calth boxes assembled, let alone painted.

Hopefully by the end of January I'll have enough done to really take off.

>Almost a thousand years after the Great Heresy, the apparently insignificant backwater world of Sotha has been all but forgotten, out on the Eastern Fringe. Why, then, are warriors of the Ultramarines treading the overgrown paths to Mount Pharos once more? Chaplain Segas has been charged with a most solemn duty - to erase the last evidence of Roboute Guilliman’s greatest mistake, by dealing with the venerable Captain Oberdeii once and for all...

>http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/the-aegidan-oath-eshort.html

Ultrafags....justify this assholory.

>>50738123
>hard counter
Nah, you have a few things that do anti-infantry, something to shoot flyers out of the sky. some things that do anti-tank, some autocannons and similar that can do all of the above. Trying to hard-counter means that something unexpected or different will fuck your shit up, i.e. when someone brings three spartans full of inductii and such. That said, massed inductii are tough to deal with for everyone

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>>50738146
Very poorly and making excuses that it's not due until February

>>50738172
Is that where the alien communication device teleporta is I can't member

>>50738185
Yeah, it's where the Pharos was at.

>>50738181
how good is that ahriman model in the flesh, Its so sexy I almost wanna paint 1ksons

>>50738172
>http://www.blacklibrary.com/
hey I found your problem

>>50738188
Maybe you could tell me the asshole part?

>>50738191
it's ok. There's quite a bit of flat surfaces so it can be bit plain unless you do some work

>>50738218
Might be why I like it I hate the over detailed put gubbinz on everything look.

>>50738146

My backlog is two boxes of BoP and four boxes of BaC, with assorted resins.

I'll never work through it, as I keep on adding to the pile.

>>50738204
Killing a crippled veteran to hide the truth about their Primarch.

>>50738179
Well, fine I suppose a "hard counter" mindset is one you want to avoid, but phrasing things differently, what elements of a multi-purpose force should be included to deal with Inductii?

Personally I find the Tyrants so appealing because they're kitted out to do everything, and are only really weak against D-weapons and massed attacks of the type that Inductii are infamous for.
Even then, the Tyrants put out enough fire (10 S8 AP3 shots per unit (or 10 S4 blasts), combined with 5 TL bolters), that I'd expect a large chunk of the Inductii to be removed before they've even gotten close.

>>50738204
Spoiler tags please.

Airbrush friends, tell me about your rig, and your recipes. What's it like? Is it handy? Expensive?

>>50737997
I do a mechanised assault Death Guard, so there's a mix of infantry and elites in transports supported by tanks and artillery. Something in every force org slot.

I think it's fairly balanced, but I constantly get shit for preferring tanks and rhinos instead of footslogging 3+, even though if I posted a list with limited tanks (or A-T) I get chimp shit thrown at me for NOT having them

Yooooo! Custodes are finally a thing? Looks like FW is getting my life's savings!

>>50738256
I don't get to use mine that often, but it is very useful to have, it is a wonderful tool.
The setup I have is a little on the expensive side, but I went for an oil compressor for the express purpose of getting a quiet compressor.

Setup:
Harder & Steenbeck Evolution 2-in-1 airbrush (0.2 and 0.4mm needles)
Iwata Neo-C 0.15mm airbrush (dedicated for use with Alclad and SpazStix solvent based paints)
Eurotec-20A Oil compressor (expensive, but really really quiet)

>>50736906
Ahaha.

>>50738146
Finishing some spess ships before starting on my renegade and heretics HoR Killteam and then..then I get to do BoP.

>>50738300
Interesting, thanks.
What legion do you paint, and how different do you do it compared to when you did it by hand?

>>50732246
Blood angels, Noble and modest regardless of the perception of others or the weight of their hardships

>>50732246
I like beakies. I like jump pack dudes. I like lightning claws. Caw caw, motherfucker.

The "reasonable marines" thing is kind of neat too, but not as cool as lightning claw jump pack shenanigans.

>>50738394
Now I will say I had my airbrush before I started, so I've never even considered what I'd do if I needed to do it by hand.
I'm going for a blue/green metallic AL, so a Gloss Black airbrush primer, Vallejo Metal Color Duraluminum and then Schmincke Blue Turquoise Ink over the top in thin coats.

I personally don't think the scheme would work by hand in this form.

If I was doing it by hand I'd probably use VMA Arctic Blue, which is a little dark for AL but should work well.

>>50738774
Interesting, thanks.
What model is your airbrush? Is it of any use besides painting the basecoat on infantry and large sections of vehicles?

>‘My lord, I believe that such an unadulterated truth can present nothing other than a serious liability to the honour of our Chapter. The Imperium loves and cherishes the Ultramarines, and the memory of Roboute Guilliman, wisest of all the Emperor’s sons. We are beyond reproach.’ He raised a finger. ‘But only as long as all knowledge of Imperium Secundus is kept from the rest of the galaxy. The archive record contains every surviving document and source relating to those confusing times, and it could shatter the reputation of our primarch and the credibility of everything he has done for the Imperium since. Can you imagine if even the hallowed Codex Astartes were to be branded as the work of a heretic, one only revealed centuries after his demise?’


Ahhh....so the Dark Angels have their Fallen while the Ultramarines have their Unremembered Empire.

Seriously, are the Imperial Fists and White Scars the only legions not hiding anything?

‘It is. You are the captain and last surviving member of the Aegida, a division of the Ultramarines Chapter whose origins can be traced back to the days of the Thirteenth Legion, whose very existence contravenes our primarch’s own law. For reasons known only to a select few, Lord Guilliman saw fit to maintain a phantom eleventh company on Sotha even as he forced every other Chapter to conform to the Codex model of ten. Quite aside from the secret shame of Imperium Secundus, the existence of the Aegida Company could be seen as proof of his wilful and deliberate flouting of Imperial decree – a decree that he and his surviving loyal brothers agreed upon only after much conflict. The Second Founding of the Adeptus Astartes was all that kept the dream of a unified Imperium alive, after the Great Heresy.’

>Grimly, Segas drew his crozius once more, and held it before

>‘To say that a revelation of this sort would be a scandal for our Chapter does not even begin to cover it. We and all our Successors would be cast out, the defenders of mankind would be divided and the Imperium would tear itself apart all over again. You are not simply the reminder of a mistake, my lord – you are the embodiment of it, and the last scrap of living proof. The time has come for the Aegida itself to be purged.’

Girlyman, you hypocrite!

>>50737953
Can't see how it really matters. The Legions were big (mostly), and they were made up of loads of different elements. Just because they favoured some methods of war doesn't meant they weren't capable of others.

>>50738849
My airbrush is a Harder & Steenbeck Evolution 2-in-1 airbrush (0.2 and 0.4mm needles).
I generally use the 0.4 for base coating, as it's better at large areas, but with the 0.2mm needle you can be pretty precise if you want to be.
Distance, pressure and flow control are the main things that determine what you can do with it.

I'm not that skilled with it, so I generally use it for base coating, but the brush can certainly do more precise things than that. It'll make perfectly sharp fine lines if you go in close, but at that point flow control from my side becomes the bigger issue, as it's quite easy to let too much air through.

>>50738854
>>50738888
Do you only read BL to shit post Anon? Noone else actually cares.

>>50738919
People do care. When Primarch and legion debates spark up, this will be most useful. Ultramarines no so great after all!

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>>50734504

>Iron Warriors listed twice
>no Night Lords

Night Lords are best Legion

>>50738936
you might have a better audience in the 40k general, mate

not playing that game here

>>50738974
30k is when the Primarchs actually did stuff.
And before the mythology of the Imperial Cult (and the more falsified "official history" of Guilliman) got established.

>>50738974
>implying

Don't lie to me, anon. I have been in these threads before.

>>50738888

Are you retarded? BL made Guilliman a hypocrite ever since they decided to make him an asshole with a secret second Imperium.

>>50738970

After seeing so many desert bases with light brown rims I'm starting to second guess my desert basing with black rims. I only left them black because FW does too.

>>50738888

What are Tyrannic War Veterans

What is Genesis Chapter

This is why I hate it when people say Ultramarines are Mary Sues - they're not, they just want people to think that they are. RIP my boys Scythes of the Emperor.

>>50739011
But only now we know that Girlyman broke his own codex. He is a double hyopcrite!

>>50739022

Don't two negatives make a positive? Maybe he was trying to become a not-hypocrite by being a super hypocrite.

>>50738979
it's a 40k book, about the skubmaster general's pet chapter, with a plot point that forgets that the ultramarines already had an eleventh company on paper

there's nothing to really talk about

>>50739020

Playing an extinct chapter should be a badge of honor. Pretty much all of them are badasses, except the Lamenters. Especially the Astral Knights. Space Marine chapters don't tend to go out like pussies. Except for the Lamenters.

>>50739028
Sorry, I'm not 100% up to date on what's going on with all the books.

But desu primarch meming is a part of 30k cutlure.

>>50739038
Aren't the Lamenters still around in a Crimson Fists kind of way?

>>50739018

Depends on the Legion, I think. The first squad I did for my Night Lords were on urban bases with black rims and it did horrible things to the colour scheme. If you're a light coloured Legion, do black rims, but black rims on NL, IH, DA, RG or whatever just murder the colour balance of the scheme.

>>50739046

Yeah I have dark armor which is why I picked desert bases to begin with. Time to start picking rim colors I guess.

>>50739045
>But desu primarch meming is a part of 30k cutlure.
Sure, but we're talking vintage TIDF memeing here, back before the forgeworld books came out.

It's stale, and not even about 30k. At best it gives me more ammunition on the fact that LG doesn't know dick about the setting beyond his little bubble, but that's not particularly noteworthy. I wish he didn't co-opt the scythes as his own little pet chapter.

>>50739020
>RIP my boys Scythes of the Emperor.

The Scythes are not dead. They reappeared in 999 41K.

>>50739046
I'm going deserty bases with Mournfang Brown rims for my NLs. I don't get why so many people seem to give them dark bases when the models themselves are dark already, it just makes the models look murky.

>>50739020
>What are Tyrannic War Veterans

Those were controversial additions to the codex thousand of years AFTER Girlyman got "killed" by Fulgrim.

The Dark Angels Legion seems rather powerful, especially with all those tasty rare weapons (something I wish the 40k deathwatch had more of).

What's the deal with their fluff though. Are they nice guys, and what's their allegiance even supposed to be?

>>50739038
>Not liking the Lamenters
Get a load of this guy.

FOR THOSE WE CHERISH
WE DIE IN GLORY

>>50733346
>Deathshroud are traitor only

According to BL, NO LONGER!

If anyone brings up any shit show them black shield by Chris wraight

>>50739324
TWVs aren't an addition to the Codex, they straight-up contradict it. The only reason they went ahead at all is because having their asses handed to them by Behemoth made a portion of the UMs realise that the Codex isn't the be-all and end-all of war.

>>50739335
Well, for starters it's worth saying that they haven't been covered in a FW black book yet, so things could change.

But basically, half or more of the legion (including the primarch) are loyal to the Emperor. However, they're not necessarily "nice guys", they will generally do whatever's necessary to get the job done. They're also pretty secretive and don't like being questioned by those outside the legion.

The other half (left behind on the homeworld) is not, they've decided Jonson is a dick and don't want to follow him. Ostensibly they're fighting for an independent Caliban, but their leader is mates with Typhon which can only end well. Also they may be being corrupted by a chaos world-spirit living in the core of Caliban, because fucking black library, man. This is why I'm a bit cautious about their fluff until Bligh has a crack at it.

Finally, they've got a lot of funky tech that other legions don't get, and have six special hosts ("wings") integrated into their normal fighting units. If there's a task that requires a specific tactic they'll enact one of these protocols and let the specialists take the lead, such as the scorched-earth Dreadwing if there's a situation that needs large amounts of phosphex. Can't remember them all, but roughly:
>deathwing: termis?
>ravenwing: bikes
>ironwing: tanks
>dreadwing: scorched earth
>firewing: dunno
>wingwingwingwingwingwingwing: bananaphone

>>50733890
Majorly incorrect.

Ultramarines should be first tier.

Space Wolves were WE or NL tier during the GC.

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>>50739500
>wingwingwingwingwingwingwing: bananaphone

>somewhere a Custodes' phone rings

Are the special weapons in BoP the same as the BaC specials?

>>50739547
bop's sprues lack the flamer and missile launcher

>>50738854
>>50738888
Why do they let Laurie Goldberg write when his style is so fucking shit?

>>50738854
Even the Imperial Fists have the last wall protocol.

IMO it makes sense for each of the loyalist legions to have a last measure response

>>50739582
people with their foot in the door have an easier time getting work published
no one else wants to write about the scythes of the emperor
space marine battles books are literally trash they pump out by the dozen

That's why you'll see the quality vary so heavily between books.

So did they somehow increase space marine lifespans after the heresy?

Because people like Archamus and Lhorke are only 200 years old and are treated and even portrayed as geriatrics, and then you have your regular pleb marine in 40k reaching 400 no problem

>>50739465
Which is actually sort of interesting in its own way. The hardcore by-the-books boyscouts being forced to come to terms with the fact their rules and regulations aren't necessarily always the best.

Too bad they never really went anywhere with it.

>>50739934
>So did they somehow increase space marine lifespans after the heresy?
All marines are biologically immortal.
>Because people like Archamus and Lhorke are only 200 years old and are treated and even portrayed as geriatrics
Because the Crusade only lasted 200 years.

>>50739975
>All marines are biologically immortal
They aren't, Fulgrim, Eidolon and Fabius talk about this

>Because the Crusade only lasted 200 years

Yes, and them you have Crius thinking about how old he's gotten, but then you've got people pushing a millennium in 40k

>>50740010
See, personally I wouldn't take Fabius's word (or the word of anyone who listens the Fabius) when it comes to marine biology.
>no brother, you're not immortal, but the things I could fix if you'll just lie on this slab ...

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>>50740010
I remember how in Horus Rising that Loken would live forever unless he's killed in combat.

>>50739934
It's moreso they test you if the geneseed will accept you in 40k, whereas in 30k it's
>ah we just captured a slavers ship, someone mail the primarch razor blades

And also in 40k they are drop troops not at the forefront of every assault

>>50740050
To be fair though, no Marine had lived long enough to really say at that point. Plus, telling people that SMs aren't just killing machines, but immortal ones, would be good for morale.

Fabius' comments are in direct response to the popular idea (at the time) that Marines are immortal, FYI. So it was basically meant as a refutation of what Loken et al. said earlier in the series.

>>50740117
I don't remember Loken saying it. It was the narrator.
>Plus, telling people that SMs aren't just killing machines, but immortal ones, would be good for morale
Marines are just watered down versions of watered down versions of the Emperor so it would make sense for them to practically immortal. Maybe just make it hard for them to get to that point. Look at Dante. He's growing bored of being an immortal vampire bishie.

>>50740033
Actually, Fabius is surprisingly honest with everyone around him and himself.

>>50740010
The marine in this >>50738172 is other 1000 years old.

He laments that marines were made immortal.

>>50740137
>He's growing bored of being an immortal vampire bishie.

Actually, he is on hot needles as the End Times approach. With the whole Angel prophecy and Ka'Pandaman and Leviathan descending on Baal.

>>50740156
The prophecy is the only thing he has to look forward. It's probably the only thing he feels like would give his life meaning. I mean look at how long his life has been, and how worse the galaxy gets as the years go by. Dante most likely feels helpless to do anything about it.

>>50740144
over*

>>50740144
I'd take a primarch's and chief apothecary's word over a Smurf's, especially since Fabius notes that it's a common misconception even amongst SM

>>50740277
Fabius is the guy who cuts out those same space marine organs and replaces them with xeno echolocation organs, who rapidly fell very very hard into chaos.

Besides, the marines who were 200 years old in the Horus Heresy were as old as marines got back then, them talking about being "old" refers more to their attitude compared to the new recruits off the Primarch's home world, zealously loyal to their Primarch in ways the Terrans and random replacements can't be.

>>50740616
There are a couple of slightly older ones knocking about, marines that were part of the pacification of Terra. The dark angel Astelan is one, he's probably older than the crusade.

>>50740277
>>50740616
I remember Black Templar marshal who was above 2000 years old.
And what about "not so loyal" Night Lords are not chaos fanatics and some of them are 10 000 years old.
What about Cypher (probably loyal) who is running from Dark Angels for 10k yeras.

>>50740616
>Fabius is the guy who cuts out those same space marine organs and replaces them with xeno echolocation organs, who rapidly fell very very hard into chaos.

To be fair, Fabius looks bitterly and regretfully on those days. Heck, during the siege of Terra, Fabius was so disgusted, at what happened to his Legion and the traitor legions and how this reflects on humanity, that he blew up his lab and materials before leaving Terra.

This is one of the reasons Fulgrim hate/loves Fabius.

Also Fabius is the best geneseed and marine expert in the galaxy. He cloned the Primarchs and made a perfect clone of Horus.

>>50738054
>>50738084
>>50738123
Two full Tyrant units kill 22 Inductii per turn and have a range of 48", while footslogging 20-man Inductii blobs move 12" per turn, tops. They'll die before reaching the Deredeo.

>>50740742
Black Templar dude is just, that, exception.

Just because a guy lives up to be 1200 doesn't mean everyone will

Night Lords spent a lot of their time in the warp and other such places.

Cypher is more of a title than a person ,we don't even know if he's the same one

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>>50738280
>I do a mechanised assault Death Guard, so there's a mix of infantry and elites in transports supported by tanks and artillery. Something in every force org slot.
Nigga that's playing DG right! Mortarion may have been the all-infantry Primarch, but he knew his infantry also needed armoured support. I reckon you read HH1

>>50738741
How is this a ? We've known this since that Pharos novel. It even explains why that hive fleet attacked a seemingly random point of space rather going straight for the astronomicon: tyranids feel psychic presense as a measurement for biomass (psykers are rare, the more psykers the more food) and are attracted to it like moths.

>>50738854
>Seriously, are the Imperial Fists and White Scars the only legions not hiding anything?
The Imperial Fist have the Last Wall, a secret protocol which defies the "no more legion-building", which maybe the most puritan inquisitors would disagree with (not unlike the DA), while the White Scars did have the Sagyar Mazyan, a great number of them agreed with Horus on a DA-like scale, but they chose to repent through honourable death.

The White Scars however, BEING WHITE SCARS, have no need to hide anything: nobody gives a fuck about them and people don't like translating chogorian.

>>50739011
Why do people like to think he was secretly evil or something? He formed Imperius Secundus out of fear and ignorance, and dissolved it once he knew for sure the Emperor was still alive.
Remember the saying "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity". Guilliman did told ya even he couldn't predict and prepare for eeeeverything, that his teachings were yet flawed.

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>>50739028
Skubmaster general...amazing.

>>50739531
>M'yellooow
>Ugh, you sound horrible when you're pretending to be human *hangs up*
> I:

>>50741010
They defied the Edict of Nikea though.
The Imperial Fists laying contingency plans for responding to strategic considerations better than Girlyman's rag can account for, and thereby saving the Imperium, does not compare to disobeying the direct word of the Emprah himself, in such a consequential matter.

>>50740952
Thats still the dumbest shit.

>>50741076
>They defied the Edict of Nikea though.
Who didnt? Literally everyone ignored it by the time of the siege.

Since the retcon to it being psykers instead of sorcery its never made sense.

>>50740033
>>50740010
>>All marines are biologically immortal
>They aren't, Fulgrim, Eidolon and Fabius talk about this
Whaaaaaaat! But immortality was THE reason why marines are arguably better than Thunder Warriors come out to playayyy !

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>>50741102
>Who didnt?

>>50741124
Yes he did. Because instead of putting his men back into the legion he had them separated. This was also defying the Edict.

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>>50741141
As Primarch, it's his prerogative how he deploys them. Garrisoning the Phalanx is totally legitimate, so long as they aren't actively using psyker powers.

>>50741158
>>50741124
Nigga the edict explicitly said psyker powers were forbidden, the librarius would be dissolved and Librarians would return to line companies.
Dorn kept them all in the Phalanx because [REASONS] muh bullshit

>>50741076
>The Imperial Fists laying contingency plans for responding to strategic considerations better than Girlyman's rag can account for, and thereby saving the Imperium
There's a reason they split them into chapters you know

>>50741124
>>50741158
Dorn a best.

Why don't people just accept this?

>>50741158
No once again that wasnt the order. The Librarians were supposed to be integrated back into the legion. Either way even Dorn used his librarians at the end of the Heresy.

>>50741208
They're his sons, if he wanted he could just kill them all, the point was to disband the Librarius

>>50741228
The edict was to do said thing. He didnt do it. Im confused at what you are arguing here.

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>>50741180
>Dorn:
>literally right next to the Emperor while he was making these kind of decisions
>the Emperor had no problem with what Dorn was doing

>Khaaaaaaaaaaan:
>Actively contravened the Emperor's decree behind his back
>had a big chunk of his legion turn heretic against the emprah

>>50741198
>Imperial Fists save Terra and the Imperium from every single traitor legion
>and the galaxy's biggest Ork waaagh ever just a short while later, even while hobbled in their ability to respond by Guilliman's codex which he foisted upon the truest loyalists as if he was the emperor

>meanwhile Ultrasmurfs get fucked up versus a single legion and barely survive a single Tyranid hive fleet

>>50741180
They were on the Phalanx alongside their fellow non-psychic legionnaires. Dorn just made sure they had safeguards the non-psykers did not, as it was the logical thing to do.

>>50741249
>Dorn was a best
>Ergo he can't do wrong
That's his reasoning and he's an Imperial Fist. Good luck trying to reason with that.

>>50741249
You claim he broke it because he didn't put them back into the line companies.

I'm telling you that that wasn't the edict of nikea, rather that they should return them to the line companies he could have done anything which got rid of the librarius, this case being throwing them in the brig and locking them up.

You're getting too hung up on the letter of the law.

>>50741275
t. butthurt trench-digger

>>50741275
I mean, he's not wrong.

>>50741266
You missed

>Sanguinius
>Dis what he was told and had the Librarians return to line companies with Wardens to watch over them, rather than keeping them all secretly bunched up somewhere due to "reasons".
>Braved the Ruinstorm and got to Terra
>Defended the Eternity Gate while the Fists were having their fortress monastery blown up.
>Arrived to Horus' chamber early, while Dorn arrived late.
>His legion was correctly divided in chapters with no Bullshit secret protocol excuse
>Gives lasguns to loyalist children in Sanguinalia
How could any other primarch compare?

>>50741292
>>I'm telling you that that wasn't the edict of nikea,
>Henceforth, it is my will that no Legion will maintain a Librarius department. All its warriors and instructors must be returned to the battle companies and never again employ any psychic powers.”
The order to put the men back into companies was in the same sentence as not using psychic powers. Stop being biased please.

>>50741275
I see that now.

>>50741292
>You're getting too hung up on the letter of the law.
t. Rogal "known by being compromising" Dorn

>>50741350
>implying Dorn didn't have them officially listed as being part of the battle companies but on "indefinite deployment" to the Phalanx

You underestimate his autism.

>>50741350
And then they became phalanx wardens and were sent to guard the phalanx's prison cells.

You think Emps gave a shit about some psykers?

>>50741339
>Bringing up Sanguinius in a Primarch bitch fight
Come on anon, be fair.

>>50741398
>Missing the point this hard
Whatever man. Enjoy your wank session.