Warhammer 40,000 General

>>50703658

First for Slaanesh

>>50703658
>http://www.strawpoll.me/11879139
Well it was 50/50 for 10 seconds.
So far it is 75% in favor of walkers counting as vehicles.

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Nth post for the New DG looking for idea for 1500 point lists.Any unit suggestions and or plays would be much appreciated.

Why do people like AdMech? They're the lamest army in the game, every single model looks exactly the same.

>>50703706
Bikes. Unless you want to be fluffy. Then lots of bodies. And remember to footslog.

>>50703663
T3 Armies are the best. Guard is the best of the best.

>>50703718
>Why don't people like AdMech? They're the most a e s t h e t i c army in the game, every single model looks absolutely gorgeous and has loads of variety.

>>50703718

I don't know, that Martian Giant dude looks pretty different from the rest of the anorexic robot dudes and the big friend dudes.

>>50703706

Havocs w/ Autocannons
Bikes w/ melta + attached bike lord and zombification relic
Cultists to be made into fearless, FnP objective holders

>>50703663
Someone has yet to prove me wrong in that Walkers are not Vehicles. Maelstrom of Gore is the best WE formation.

>>50703706
I think Havocs would suddenly be a much more attractive choice for Death Guard given they're now Relentless, T5 with FnP.

>>50703739

I like AdMech in fluff, but fuck painting them and fuck playing as them.

>>50703745
Why Autocannons over Missiles?

>>50703706
take literally anything. nurgle is strong as fuck now

>>50703740
kastalan robots are straight ballin. best model that gw has put out in a long time, and if you disagree with me...thats fine, i respect your opinion

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>Threadly Question
What are you working on, /tg/?
Played any games recently?
Got any games coming up?
Any additions to your army?
Doing anything 40k for Christmas? New models, themed games, etc.

>>50703740
They all look like walking clusters of cogs with a red robe on it. It gets old extremely fast.

>>50703739
no

>>50703759
2 shots S7 more useful than one at S8 when we don't have Melta or AP to consider.

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>>50703747
>Maelstrom of Gore is the best WE formation.
im actually sold on it now. MSU seems like the way to run it though

XTH FOR FUCK DROP PODS WE JUST RUNNING AT BITCHES

>>50703794

You don't like cogs?

>>50703759

1) Fires double the shots
2) Only -1 strength as a trade
3) AP3 means nothing when you're trying to pop a Vehicle
4) 'Miss'iles

>>50703821
Not when every single model is so saturated with them that you can't even make up it's shape.

>>50703811
Even with Flakk and the option to ahoot blasts?

>>50703747
A lot of people have, you have just ignored the evidence saying that because Walkers are listed as vehicles, are a sub type of primary type Vehicle, and the core rule book in several places calls them vehicles, somehow magically their subtype makes them not count as their primary type. And yet their codex entry lists Vehicle. But somehow they aren't Vehicles.

Everyone has just assumed your baiting conversation because your lonely and bored.

>>50703815
Depends on what you're facing. Against tougher targets I'd run x2 15-man squads, one with Lord, one with Warpsmith, and x2 8man squads. I'd pair it with a Warpack of x4 Maulerfiends and a Helbrute but not everyone likes Dinobots so maybe it's just me.

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Trying to make a decent 1850 DG list, any thoughts? I would like to try out nurgle termies but I feel they might still completely suck.

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>>50703718
Nice one Inquisition player, your posts are always the freshest shit. Too bad there's currently a bigger shitstorm going on so have a (You) in condolence.

>>50703663
>Can anyone help me with this

i want to use the Cycloptia cabal but i also want to run thousand sons is there any loophole

>>50703864
Termies aren't good, however DG makes them a bit better if you really want them.

>>50703718
What army do you play, anon?

>>50703788

What are you working on, /tg/?
basecoated a bunch of Word Bearers, Land Raider and Terminator Lord are washed and just need detailing [heresy intensifies]

Played any games recently?
Unfortunately not

Got any games coming up?
Doubles tournament this weekend

Any additions to your army?
Working on my daemonic summons

Doing anything 40k for Christmas?
Hoping to get a Leviathan

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Thinking about doing some Urban camo on the cloaks of my IF scouts when they arrive. Pic related.

Why do people like Tau? They're the lamest army in the game, every single model looks exactly the same.

>>50703892
Its funny how free FNP makes most stuff so much better on T5-6 platforms.

>>50703859
It's not evidence when you take pics of the rulebook literally giving them a different category and then claiming it proves your argument. Confirmation bias at it's best as a result from homosexuals too gay to go full melee.

Walkers are different from Vehicles, that's why they're called Walkers. Stop being retarded.

>>50703889
Just Don't use it as part of the Detachment.

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>>50703663

The perfect edition

>>50703884
I already told you it's not Inquisition, if my post really trigger you so much then maybe you should try to guess correctly this time.

>>50703893
Take a correct guess and I'll make it stop.

>>50703901
I grew up liking Char from Gundam, and I was lead to believe more focus would go to the alien auxiliaries.

>>50703927
LOL what a faggot.

I can't believe you're this butthurt you got your shit stomped in by War Convo you're still shitposting about it.

>>50703929

Well it's an OP army, your walkers aren't vehicles!

>>50703901
Much more variety than your fish-bowls, sorry.
>kroot
>ethereals
>battlesuits
>tanks
>fliers
Try again.

>>50703909

I now understand where some of the FAQs from the GW facebook came from.

>>50703927
>I already told you it's not Inquisition
Post proof it isn't and I'll stop assuming it is!

>>50703862
im gonna run 7x 8 man squads and a 20x man horde with kharn and 2 lords. all sergeants with PFs. and a single spawn to sit in the corner and beat his dick while crying.

should be harder to shoot of the board that way

>>50703951
>fish-bowls
What did he mean by this?

>>50703951
>implying anybody uses any of that shit but the battlesuits

>>50703895
batch painting an entire platoon of Cadian shock troopers (aka the old metal ones) in one go.

I don't get why, but it's a hell of a lot less annoying than doing them a squad at a time.

>>50703940
>projecting this hard
Must suck having your models make your eyes bleed.

>>50703955
Your loss, I won't stop asking until you guess or someone actually makes a decent case for such a shit-looking army.

>>50703949
Kind of wish they were to be perfectly honest, sounds like hell to balance though.

>>50703951
>>kroot
>>ethereals
>>tanks
>>fliers
>any of those getting used
>a bunch of unpainted grey plastic riptides, broadsides and stormsurges
>variety
AHahahahahahaha

>>50703969
That's not your army.

>>50703965
im still going to run 2 stormsurges and say its a friendly list 2bh.

they are like imperial knight tier, i dont see the problem.

>>50703969
Picture stolen from Ebay and posted here for maymays/10

>>50703747
Walker is a subset of vehicle, like tank and skimmer.

>>50703965
>>50703979
>implying that has anything to do with model aesthetics
>trying to derail THIS badly
Get rekt.

>>50703969

Raptors anon is that you?

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>>50703969
Enjoy your ban.

>>50703747
Anon. Please. If this doesn't make sense to you I don't know how to help you.
>>50703471

>>50703979
>kroot
Go to objective holders
>tanks
Longstrike if I want keks on overwatch
>Fliers
barracudas are great desu
>variety
is the core of pre-warzone Tau fluff, to bad about the GMC shilling.

>>50703974
>y-you're just projecting!
Anon you must have gotten your ass beat HARD by AdMech multiple damn times to be this shitter shattered.

Show me on the Riptide where the heavy grav cannons bad-touched you.

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>>50703788
My Game table.

IG vs Tyranids. Nearly tabled him, but he won 8 to 6 (Cleared off my board to work on it. Before that, it was covered in so much terrain I could barely move my tanks).

Hopefully around Christmas, against a new Space marines player joining my group.

2 Start collecting scions formations. I want some more mobility, considering the new Space marine player ordered a Knight Castigator.

>>50703959
Probably, but how about AV14? And fists take too long to kill walkers, I'd rather take power weapon and melta bombs for 5pts cheaper.

>>50703909
It's a subtype, same a tank. Here on page 590 of the Warhammer 40k rulebook from the Mega drive and I quote

Type
The different types of vehicle are: Chariot, Fast, Flyer, heavy, Hover, Open-topped, Skimmer, Tank, Transport, Walker, Super-Heavy Vehicle, Super-heavy Walker, and Super-heavy Flyer. These types can be combined to define, for example, a Fast Skimmer or an Open-topped Walker, in which case, the Vehicle has all the rules for all of it's types.

ALL of them Including VEHICLE. Walker is a classification of Vehicle, but that doesn't make it not a Vehicle.

>>50703788
putting magnets on a fire prism. i'll probably see if i can get a game in friday. no 40k xmas or anything else related. i'm tempted to build this eldar stuff i've had sitting around more then anything else

>>50703971

Doing them all at once feels a lot more efficient since you can actually see real progress made on your army rather than having one really nice looking squad and a bunch of greys.

>>50704022
He is baiting, we've already tried that one.

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>>50703663

>>50704010
>n-n-no it's y-you whos p-projecting! i s-swear!
>trying this hard
Are you crying? Your tears are delicious.

>>50703998
>implying "lol animu mecha" aesthetics have anything on blanchean raygunpunk retro gothic radioactive wasteland cyberhorrors
Look anon, it's way past the point where you have convinced us all you have utterly shit taste, you don't have to keep reminding us, it's just embarrassing.

>>50704013
I never knew I wanted a Macharius Vulcan(?) until I saw that tank.
What do you make your terrain from Anon? It looks pretty great.

>>50704019
>Probably, but how about AV14?
the only av14 threat i can think of would be a leman russ list, which would still be in trouble with all those guys in its face. since the character would all rape vehicles single handedly.
>And fists take too long to kill walkers, I'd rather take power weapon and melta bombs for 5pts cheaper.
nah fists are better, theyd kill walkers faster and let you punch out big MC shit. also you could punk out some faggot marines with the ID

>>50704022
They're listed that way for convenience, but have their own rules and mechanics. Therefore they're not vehicles for any practical purpose.

>>50704050
>>trying this hard
>says the guy who tries so hard he has to repost it again and again in every thread
>not even self-aware enough to realize the irony
This is incredible.

>>50704072
For all purposes for rules involving interaction of wargear with vehicles as they are listed as being vehicles. If they were not intended to be they would be listed as MC not vehicles.

>>50704062
I didn't make that terrain. It's Lasercut MDF from Miniduels. Some company in Florida I believe. I'm just trying to get a layout I want before committing to it.

The Macharius Vulcan is a fun unit. Usually erases 1 thing per turn, and can glance up to 13 AV. Which isn't that likely, but possible. makes it a bit more versatile. Overall, it's just fun to role a shitload of dice.

>>50704051
show me where blanche drew 1980s generic robots and deformed tanktreadmen

>>50704051
>an army with varied looks and influences of which mechs are only a part of the greater wholes
>compared to an army that looks all the same
Nah.

>>50704073
Anonymous 12/15/16(Thu)00:03:30 No.50704073 ▶

>>50704050 (You)
>>trying this hard
>says the guy projecting his recent curbstomp defeats unto an unrelated discussion
>not even self-aware enough to realize the irony
See? I can do it too. Make an argument or get rekt.

>>50704099
>>50704062
Sorry. Glancing 12 AV. Vulcan mega bolter is Str 6

>>50704100
All the right places.

>>50704066
>nah fists are better, theyd kill walkers faster and let you punch out big MC shit. also you could punk out some faggot marines with the ID
ID only matters against multi-wound, for regular models a power axe will suffice. Melta Bombs are armorbane which kills vehicles faster than fists.

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These are some awful threads tonight. Nothing but butthurt and trolling.

>>50704094
They have their own Walker equipment which is modeled differently from vehicles. They're clearly separate things.

Do people proxy models in their army often, or do you try to avoid it?
If you had loads of rocket launcher guys but wanted to use grav cannons, would you be ok proxying those weapons?

>>50704122
>Melta Bombs are armorbane which kills vehicles faster than fists.
4 S9 fist attacks on the charge > 1 meltabomb

fists are also good for punching out shitty characters if they wiff their attacks.

>>50704107
>>says the guy projecting his recent curbstomp defeats unto an unrelated discussion
Anon it's pretty clear you got your asshole shredded wide open by AdMech if you need to shitpost about their appearance this relentlessly. No one would do that except for a weeaboo taufag manchild mad that his speshul snowflake gundams got blown off the table by superior and sexier Mechanicus.

>>50704175
temporarily sure. i can understand wanting to try out different combos of weapons before you buy them.

just dont do it too much.

>>50703975
For regular suits, maybe. But there's no real issue keeping them at T4/2W. Shit works and they're not particularly broken, just good.

It's the MC suits that cause problems. They have jet packs, several weapon systems, can't be shaken or stunned, triple-layered saving throws, and when you do THAT you can't even disable a weapon or knock out their mobility. Like, whoever looked at those rules and thought they wouldn't warp the army were clearly out of their minds.

Oh well. Mechanized/combined arms tau are funky. I like playing against them when they show up. Shame about the robot retards.

>>50704175

My understanding is you do it with friends and you don't abuse it like how you don't abuse your friendships.

>>50703850
Paying for Flakk is a trap. If you want to actually kill flyers bring a Heldrake. The Vehicle damage table makes the AC's 2 S7 AP4 shots much better than 1 S8 AP3 shot since neither can roll "explodes" and so they both need to strip hull points. Frag is mostly irrelevant. You may fire it on occasion, but it's not a reason to take the weapon.

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>>50703969

>>50704124
At least we found out that the Admech hatespam guy is in fact a Taufag

It all makes sense now

>>50704251
>I guess you're just mad because some Taufag raped your ass
Lol quite the opposite, I play Genestealer Cults, taufags are my bitch. But I know their type and how fucking buttfrustrated they are when they lose, and you act just that way shitting up the board about AdMech.

>>50703864
I like Fists on DG termies. You're I3 anyway and T5 and FNP means you're a lot more likely to live to strike back.

HE LITERALLY DELETED HIS POST LOL

>>50704272
Yeah sure thing faggot. I don't play Tau either, literally every single army looks better than fucking fish-bowls.

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>>50704251
>>50704292
He is forever a Taufag.

>>50704272
Can't wait for the inevitable
>Why do people like Genestealer Cults? They're the lamest army in the game, every single model looks exactly the same.

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Reminder that Trukks are not vehicles, they're Trukks.

>>50704175
Depends on what the proxy is and why.
Proxy a Reaper 54mm Soffie troll salyer for a Slaaneshi demon prince because you like the look? Is everything WYSIWYG? Okay good.
Mantic Mantis Wariors for succubi? Someone else knock off guardsmen mixed in with GW guard? Sure why not.

Chaos Rhino, mixed in a blood angel army to proxy a regular one till you can afford another Rhino kit? I can understand it.

>>50704304
>fish-bowls
What did he mean by this?

>>50703906

Fearless, FnP, Relentless (not even SnP), and +1T is pretty retarded as an army rule for what amounts to +1 or 2 ppm.

Still, I'm hoping to enjoy my Night Lords because I love me some jump units. I do kinda wish some stuff got infiltrate, but I can live with Stealth and super fear (when it matters).

What's the best way to make a Terminator unit that has a pair of Lightning Claws? I have some Cataphractii and will be modeling one with claws because it looks awesome.

>>50703864

Looks good to me. Why are your sorcs only level 2?

>>50704324
Wouldn't that be counts-as?

>>50704304
>he's THIS mad

>>50704312
>gets btfo by Taufags
>proceeds to project his insecurities onto innocent anons who don't even play Tau
Breathe anon.

>>50704359
>so mad he has to greentext about clearly calm posts being mad
And the projection continues.

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>>50703969

>>50704046
Damnit that would be fun to smash a horde of ork boys and grots into and see who comes out.

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>>50704304
Yeah, uh-huh. Sure you don't. Pinkie swear.

>>50704046
Carpal Tunnel/10

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>>50704368
>clearly calm posts
HAHAHAHAHAHA
IT
JUST
KEEPS
GETTING
BETTER

>>50704407
Believe what you want faggot, you have yet to justify your shit-looking army.

>Dreadnoughts are now Monsterous Creatures with t7 and 4 wounds
Would that make dreadnoughts good?

>>50704124

Amidst the shitty threads, I'm actually ok with the SoB copy-paste because it unintentionally made things more interesting.

>>50704175
I've had to proxy Flamer + Combi-Plasma on my command squad for awhile now because not only does the model not exist, its hard to create because of the models being a single piece of metal.

>>50704046
Can't kill a Knight/10.

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Greetings, gue'la! What are the current proceedings at this gathering?

By the Greater Good

>>50704324

What about a spare dreadnought as a Daemon prince?

>>50704384
I'd be so happy to do that. I only have about 50-60 Guardsmen, but I really want to do more fun melee stuff with Guard. Straken, Yarrick, Bullgryn, Commissars, Priests, Inquisitor with Null Rod. Maybe even include the Penitent Engines, Repentia and Karamazov that I have. Would be so fun, but I can't imagine painting all of that.

>>50704425
Exactly. Even after painting like 30 Guardsmen I'm dying on the inside.

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>>50704437
Holy shit.

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>>50704441
There really is nothing tastier than Taufag tears

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>>50704475
>kek

>>50704481
Honesty, as a tau player watching people act like their lists aren't bullshit, knowing exactly how bullshit they are, is the fucking best.

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>>50704368
>Breathe anon.

>implying I've been a part of this discussion at all and didn't just want to jump in and call a nigger out for doing stupid shit
Come on now man. And no, I don't give a shit about your poor-quality bait. AdMech are fine but they're not my thing.

>>50704481
At least I didn't get cucked by Tau while having a shit-looking army. Your fault for playing waacfaggots.

>>50704507
What do you mean by fine? Fluff is okay, models are shit.

>>50704515
>Admech
>WAACfaggots
>Cucked by Tau

What did he mean by these?

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>>50704451

>>50704540
>tau aren't waac-tier now

why are kroot bad?

anyone know where I can get 100 crusader models cheap? I really want to do ecclesiarchy battle conclave

>>50704558
I'm sure the Eldar scatbike player who got 1st in the LVO before the last one took a Riptide Wing just for giggles and so the opponent would have a more fair matchup.

Looking to get into 40k. Have decided on Eldar. Anyone have a good starting point for a small-ish list (500 points) to learn rules? That isn't full on Eldar cheese fest.

Thoughts on this list? Everything that can Deep Strikes on turn 1 (if possible, Warlord guaranteed), pops an easy kill depending on positioning (termicide or bikers if in a good position) for havocs/anyone else, then makes use of the alpha strike chaos to get basic marines onto objectives.

+++ Shriekwraith Speartip (1997pts) +++

++Black Legion Warband (807pts)++
Chaos Bikers (185pts) [Icon of Excess, Mark of Slaanesh, 2x Meltagun, Veterans of the Long War]
4x Chaos Biker
Chaos Biker Champion [Combi-melta]

Chaos Lord (165pts) [Lightning Claw, Mark of Slaanesh, Power Fist, Sigil of corruption, Veterans of the Long War, Bike

Chaos Space Marines (115pts) [Flamer, Veterans of the Long War, Chaos Rhino]
4x Chaos Marine with Boltgun
Aspiring Champion

Chaos Space Marines (115pts) [Flamer, Veterans of the Long War, Chaos Rhino]
4x Chaos Marine with Boltgun
Aspiring Champion

Chaos Terminators (112pts) [Veterans of the Long War]
Chaos Terminator [Combi-melta, Power Maul]
Chaos Terminator [Combi-melta, Power Maul]
Terminator Champion [Combi-melta, Power Maul]

Havocs (115pts) [4x Autocannon, Veterans of the Long War]
4x Havoc
Aspiring Champion


++Raptor Talon (1190pts)++
Chaos Lord (145pts) [Jump Pack, Lightning Claw, Mark of Slaanesh, Power Fist, Sigil of corruption, Veterans of the Long War, Warlord]

Raptors (335pts) [2x Flamer, Icon of Excess, Mark of Slaanesh, Veterans of the Long War]
14x Raptor
Raptor Champion

Raptors (355pts) [Icon of Excess, Mark of Slaanesh, 2x Meltagun, Veterans of the Long War]
14x Raptor
Raptor Champion [Combi-melta]

Raptors (355pts) [Icon of Excess, Mark of Slaanesh, 2x Meltagun, Veterans of the Long War]
14x Raptor
Raptor Champion [Combi-melta]

>>50704575
What did he mean by these?

Also looks like the triggered anon finally reached critical mass and had a heart attack. Hope he gets better!

>>50703911
meaning ?

i havnt played since 5th edition?

>>50704578
buy the start collecting box

build it

paint it

read your codex

find out how much that box is in terms of points

figure out a couple more boxes you want to add to it

I suggest you do this because GW rumours are they're adding another introbox where you buy a unit and get a transport free

>>50704572
They aren't part of the monster mash.

In a normal list however they are fine objective holders, however they do not fit into the formations without vespid.

Personally I hate that they went from cheep melee shits to snipers, and never expanded on the kroot kinds.

>>50703706
Take the FBD with a Chaos Warband, literally everything is stronk.
>Relentless Havocs
>T6 Bikers
>T6 Obliterators with Stealth are totally worth 76pts, IW cry every tiem
Bring Typhus+cultists in a separate CAD for ObSec zombies and a beatstick sorcerer now that Nurgle has a good discipline. Death Guard are incredibly hard to write a bad list for now.

>>50704578

2 Wraithknights

>>50704578
>small-ish list (500 points)
wraithknight

>>50704592

Read the rulebook faggot?

>>50704574

You should probably look at AoS stuff if you want
A) Shields and swords
B) large quantity of minis

Someone has yet to answer me. Why do people like AdMech? They're the lamest army in the game, every single model looks exactly the same.

>>50704589
looks solid

>>50704632

Because they have shit taste.

>>50704632
>Why do people like AdMech?
because warconvo is broken. thats it. thats the only reason

>>50704632
Space Phyrexians

>>50704574
If non GW:

Perry Knights box

If GW only:

Chaos Warriors, file off/greenstuff over 8-pointed stars.

I'd recommend less Crusaders and more DCA/Arco Flagellants, though. Crusaders can tank, but they're basically Guardsmen with power swords. They hit like wet noodles.

>>50703923
Slavposters out

>>50704617
dont have a quarter of a mill lying around for a fucking rule book

>>50704648

Yeah seriously I have never seen a non-War Convocation AdMech list. It's either Skitarii or War Convo.

>>50704632
>every single model looks exactly the same
They don't agree with this statement, and like gears.

>>50704641
Perhaps.

>>50704648
>>50704666
Models don't matter? I tough they were the main factor for choosing an army.

>>50704651
But the models don't even make sense.

>>50704667
>They don't agree with this statement, and like gears.
Why? (the first part)

>>50704664
Literally check the OP faggot.
Then go to Ebay and buy a mini rulebook from DV or Death Masque.

>>50704664

There's a link to free rules in the fucking first post of this thread put there every single general just for dipshits like you, you stupid piece of shit. Holy fucking shit.

>>50704664
Mega up top.

>>50704550
why do they bully us tau players?

im just like you. flesh and blood. i cry. i love.

why bully

>>50704681
>Models don't matter?
they matter to me. thats why i dont play admech
>I tough they were the main factor for choosing an army.
they should be, but arent for some 'people'.

>>50704013
> new space marine player
> immediately buys forgeworld knight to join 40k arms race to the bottom
> Probably China cast.
No anon, YOU are the problem

>>50704681
Admech (with skittles b/c they are one faction more or less) have a ton of profile variety, and a little bit of paint work can make them very cohesive due to the central themes yet allow for more reversed schemes and the like.

Why cant you consolidate if you destroy a dreddy in close combat?

>>50704700
Well considering all they can say in their defense is shitposting and being triggered, I guess you're right.

Thank you for answering my question anon.

>>50704705
All I ever see are the same fish-bowls and unrecognizable piles of cogs with red robes. Can you post examples?

>>50704653

I just really want to lead a crusade

>>50704720
You can only do that against vehicles.

>>50704592
You cannot take them as Thousand sons. What you can do is bring them as an allied detachment of Black Legion. They would be Battle Brothers, however, the wouldn't benefit from The TSons specific rules like BLESSING OF TZEENTCH, BLOOD FEUD, or Masters of Arcane Knowledge. They would however get ENDLESS HATRED from the Black Legion rules on top of Shroud of Deceit from the detachment.

>>50704013
>cardboard

>>50704681
>But the models don't even make sense.
Exactly.
Space Phyrexians.
The good, visibly mechanical abominations kind, not the nuPhyrexia phazon mutants kind.

>>50704461
Just once, okay. Twice pushing it. 3 and I will walk over to those Warmachine players barrow someones metal khador berserker put that bastard in a sock and beat you with it.

But it's about the same size so It would be okay twice.

>>50704697
Because weak people love to vent their spleen online, anonymous of course, to project their own insecurity and powerlessness

>>50704730
If you give me a sec, also the fuck does fishbowls mean?

>>50704745
But anon, how can they look good if they're all silver and red with either no discernible shape or just fish-bowls.

>>50704742

Except you can't consolidate against vehicles. Checkmate.

>>50703788
Just about to finish repainting my Leviathan. Then its time to build a Stormhawk.
Gonna be playing a game or two one Friday.
Decided to treat myself to a Chinacast Deredeo, just gotta wait for them to respond now.

>>50704731
Where/who do you play with? If they'll let you, give the Crusaders axes. They'll at least be effective against armor that way.

>>50704730
Glacial geek batrep has some sweet rhyza orange ones

why is battlescribe telling me space marines aren't allowed to take bike squads

>>50704761
Like the glass thing where you put the fish

>>50704769
Neither against Walkers then.

>>50704744

Let's see your homemade table and terrain, anon.

>>50704764
Well that's what paint is for. Custom jobs count for a lot.

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>>50704787
>backtracking

>>50704797
Again then, why do the vast majority use the shitty base scheme?

>>50703663
So I have the Start Collecting of the Militarum Tempestus, but I lost the piece of paper that explains the formation of the Start Collecting box. Do you know if there's a link to it or is it online somewhere in the PDFs?

Also, is it a good addition to a Guard army? What would be the best way to use it? Commissar and Command Squad in the Taurox Prime and the other unit Deep Striking? I'm not sure if the Troop squad ends up counting as Objective Secured.

>>50704334
It's actually ~6pts per model because of mandatory MoN. Not complaining mind, it actually makes Chaos good enough to match their points cost.

>>50704775

im not gonna house rule shit I like to play by the book.

>>50704807
>says the fag asking questions he already knows the answer for
Kill yourself shitposter.

>>50704743
which means id have to bring hq and 2 troops from the black legion

>>50704787
You are referring top the one robo?

>>50704853
The walking fish bowls with legs, think they're T7.

>>50704785
vanilla marine bike squads have been removed from the game, bikers are chaos exclusive now to make up for grav cannons existing.

white scars are now a traitor legion, its all in the warzone damocles books

>>50704815

Well, 3ppm on troops and 6 on termies and shit. Still, annoyingly good. At least Stealth is free and Raptors are better than CSM squads.

>>50704809
Tides of monochrome + chrome.

>>50704819
That's fair, then. Also, in addition to the other places, try China (if you're okay with that kind of thing).

>>50704851
No it doesn't. Holy shit.
Just take your 1kSons army and bring the Cyclopia Cabal as another detachment. They (meaning SPECIFICALLY the Cabal) just be Black Legion and not 1kSons.

>>50704872
So just shit taste and autism then.

>>50704704
>tfw play Carcharodons
>no knight
>no primarchs
>no Magnus
>no fancy centerpiece melee model of any kind

Well at least I have my 5++ Tyberos. I wish chapter masters were MCs or something or vanilla marines got a larger display model. Maybe I'll get a Leviathan Dreadnought.

>>50704892
>Taste isn't mine
>therefore it is shit
K

>>50704911
I'm just trying to make sense out of your explanation. The base AdMech scheme looks objectively bad, and the amorphism and fish-bowls don't help.

>>50704851

Read the fucking rulebook you retard.

>>50704704
Did you actually read his post? He's buying two boxes of Scions to try and out-maneuver the SM player's Knight faggotry instead of joining the cheddar arms race.

>>50704904
leviathans are alright but knights are better. could probably get a knight cheaper off of ebay

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>>50704858
Not the army I was referring to bc i can't find it now, but it was basically a cream primary, black secondary, brass highlight and garnish mixed with a reverse of the cream and black on the infantry.

Here's a heavy conversion to go with IG to hold you over.

>>50704926
>looks objectively bad
hmm

>>50704946
Looks much better, but I figure most AdMech players don't field conversions.

>>50704961

Those aren't even AdMech, they're Skitarii.

>>50704940
Then have anons friend read that post. Or read it to him.

>>50704965
They're not the same army? I ask about the fish-bowls.

>>50704851
No the Cyclopia Cabal is itself a DETACHMENT. A stand alone set of troops you can include in you army. The CAD is a type of detachment too, but this isn't like earlier editions of 40k where everything has to be shoved into the same type of force organization chart.

You really should read the rules.

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>>50704795
will you accept a wip that I'm working on right now?

it's very early in the building process, need to add lots of detail etc etc, texture the base, sand, paint, flock

I'm waiting for the main structure to dry.

Honestly if you're dropping money on MDF terrain you should go buy a piece of MDF and cut bases for your stuff

>>50704946
that looks so much better than admech. badass cyborg dudes with leather dusters > muh blanche

>>50704961
Only have that one palate swap guy (who's picture I deleted for some fucking reason?) and an off the box guy here.

Honestly I don't mind the default personally because the aesthetic (outside of the fishbowls) matches the vibe of the fluff very well in my opinion.

>>50704904

>no primarchs

but anon, Curze has a model and rules

>>50704965
Cult-mech and skitarii, Admech is the more holistic term.

Also the ogryn gun is from a destroyer.

>>50704999
There's also those walking-chicken things with red on it. But the army in general makes my eyes hurt from being so monothematic, idk it's just straining.

I guess it's just me.

>>50705012

He's a goddamn monster, too. Truly the Batman we deserve.

>>50704986
I like both myself, but the latter is done to death.

>>50704904
Honestly for space sharks Id say a leviathan is right on the money. Insane berzerker melee nought. Paint scheme will look great too.

post your army I like sharks

>tfw no Silas Alberac model
I'd kill for one.

I will no longer ask about why people like AdMech. It's a combination of wacc, shit-taste and alteranate schemes and conversions which can make them look decent. ]

Thank you for answering my questions.

>>50705050
literally who

>>50705037
i never realized that their cape things looked like dusters... somebody should get a bunch of masked heads and do big guy admech.

>>50705059

A big guy with a hammer. Good at killing warp-related enemies. Exorcists chapter, so you can use him with whatever chapter tactics you'd like.

>It's ok for my 30k Batmans to have drop pods, but not ok in 40k

I want them for 30k, but not being able to use them in 40k makes me sad.

>>50705058
See you next thread, taufag

>>50704769
Annoying, have played it wrong for a while then.

>>50705058
But will he reveal his actual faction of choice, find out next time on /tg/=40k!

>>50705086
>not just allying in skyhammer with grav

>>50704651
This is how I want Dark Mechanicus to look

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>>50705128

>CSM Allying with C:SM

>>50703747
Its ok, I know how you feel. No ones been able to prove me wrong about Flying Monstrous Creatures not being MC's

>>50705086
Just use 30k rules against 40k. They are compatible.

>>50705159
>not fluffing it as night lords being edgy emo kids and hating each other

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>>50705147

~uguu~

>>50704575
Eldar players at tournaments also occasionally throw Kabalites and Imperial Assassins into their armies. You'll have to do better than that.

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How's my 1250-point fun line list?
List builder thinks weapon team is 2 models for carapace, hence 2 points over.

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>>50705179

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>Tyranids and Orkz get good codex updates
>Tau get squatted
>Sisters of Battle get plastic kits, good rules and all the attention Tau got previously
>Eldar and grav get nerfed
>AdMech get a dedicated transport

40k is fixed

>>50705233
>Tau get squatted
>Sisters of Battle get plastic kits, good rules and all the attention Tau got previously
Why would you cut off support for a good faction and replace it with a fetish?

>>50705191
>Imperial Assassins
>implying Culexis don't have anti-meta competitive use

>Kabalites

I guess you're too stupid to know the difference between "Riptide Wing" and "I took DE because this is the only way to play them competitively".

>>50705170

Yea, but some people are spergs. I'm all for it, though. I'll drop 10 Volkite terror squads against Eldar for days.

>>50705177
>needing to fluff it

Let's be real.

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So, I ran a CSM list today against a friend, making first use of the new Traitor Legions book. Decided to run Thousand Sons with the Grand Coven detachment. Used a War Cabal formation and singular helbrute for the cheapest Auxillary. I think I broke something with the INV saves, as the 4(!) Sorcerers had a permanent 2++ rerollable save, and the Rubricae/Scarab Occult had a 3++ rerollable.

Every model has an INV save of 4+ or more base (Aura of Dark Glory for Scarab/Rubricae or Sigil of Corruption purchased for the Sorcerers). Detachment bonus for Thousand Sons grants +1 INV when affected by a blessing, while War Cabal's formation bonus rerolls failed saves. Mark of Tzeentch grants another +1 INV, meaning that every Rubricae/Scarab is on a 4++, and every Sorcerer is on a 3++, which when affected by a blessing goes to a 3++ and 2++ respectively, and those are rerollable. Then, every single psyker (each unit has at least 1), has Force, which is a blessing that targets the entire unit, even if it does nothing for most, on WC 1. That last part is the flimsiest bit, but I ran the 4 Sorcerers in a unit of just themselves, letting them all be affected by 1 Force. The rest of the units may need to be targeted by a different blessing depending on whether or not you're allowed Force to affect models without Force weapons, even if a model in the same unit has one.

With 21 Mastery Levels (read: Warp Charges), every Psyker can get off his Force, and you reroll Perils. The four-man bullshit simulator that are those Sorcerers have force axes and Inferno Bolt pistols, giving them 3 WS 5 STR 5 AP 2 Instant Death attacks, while running a 2++ rerollable save. Which is scary enough til you realize they are all Mastery 3, meaning they have silly amounts of powers/charges for a single unit, all preferably rolled on the Tzeentch Table for maximum DOOMBOLT.
I kept this whole list below 1850 points, and the DeathBall was only ~500pts.

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>>50705245

>>50705179
>nuphyrexians

Disgusting

>>50705233
>squatting popular armies
>updating old unpopular and useless armies
>Fixed
Oh fuck off, Orks are just meme antagonist, they doesn't need update.

>>50705255
I'm talking about actual, tournament-winning Eldar players, who thought Kabalites in Raiders were a better use of their points than more scatterbikes or more Warp Spiders.

>>50704946
That looks fantastic, but all I can think of when seeing the Ogryn is

I HAD A LITTLE BABY BROTHER AND HE WAS PERFECT, PERFECT IN EVERY WAY

>>50705050
Same.

S10 Primarch sized dude is awesome.

>>50705274

>thousand sons
>posts a pupper

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>tfw you bought tzeentch daemons then a load of nice stuff comes out for Nurgle/Slaanesh

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>>50705274

>>50705233
what will really happen
>bring back primarchs because its EZ money
>primarchs hate the church. sisters, inquisition and grey knights all squatted.
>with the primarchs back all the orks are exterminated, orks squatted.
>primarchs kill all of the tyranids too, nids squatted.
>tau and eldar team up into 1 supercheese faction just to try to survive. more huge plastic 'creatures' which sell extremely well
>crons and warconvo team up since the primarchs are trying to kill them too. more knight sized kits
>chaos finally gets their primarchs after 4 years of getting raped by loyalist primarchs.
>emperor comes back to life
>custodes get an army list and a huge walker the size of a titan
>abby kills the emperor anyway
>8th edition starts, its rebranded as Age of Abbydon
>no rules. its designed for ages 4 and up, dice are a choking hazard so you just make pew pew noises instead of rolling. all the models are wraightknight sized so the eats wont eat them and die, come in colored plastic so painting isnt encouraged, since kids could eat the paint.
you know itll happen.

inb4 GW produces "Primork" models in preparation for 40k: Age of Skubmar.

>>50705274
Mark of Tzeentch cannot be used to improve an invulnerable save beyond 3++. I assume that means that "if Mark of Tzeentch would contribute to this 2++, it doesn't."

>>50705339
>liking Skub

>>50705353
Skub is the only reason to still play this game

>>50705353
One doesn't like or dislike skub. One simply fights either for or against it.

I'M PRO SKUB FUCK YOU

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EYowIJw0Kk

Chinese Canadian Mormon reviews Traitor Legions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg4rjMhWdF8

The only Traitor Legions battle report currently on youtub, if you missed it. World Eaters proven to be awesome.

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Is this Alpha Legion enough?

My idea is that lost and the damned 2 dice roll come back gimmick is overrated. I'd much rather have big solid units of fearless cultists.

>>50705375
I mean, sure

>>50705375

None of those cultists are fearless though

>>50705375
Seems too organized. Shouldn't there be at least four disparate organizations and a highly convoluted conspiracy in there somewhere?

Anyone have a good newbie airbrushing guide? I'm talking primarily for maintenance and proper cleaning. I'm new to it, but it keeps jamming or overspraying.

What I have done has been a lot of fun

>>50705274

The Sorcs need the power from Ectomancy giving them a 3++, to get the 2++ re-rollable. Mark of Tzeentch doesn't stack past a 3++ so you have to rely on your legion tactics and psychic powers alone to get further than that.

>>50705398
use windex to clean your airbrush

>>50705233
>SoBcucks are realky THIS mad
BLOWN THE FUCK OUT

>>50704975
You keep going on about fish bowls.

What the fuck do you mean?

>>50705375
The dread and 2 cultist units are a helcult . But that all doesnt have the option

>>50705441
I already answered that question.

>>50705390
Helcult does that

tau commanders should be able to be inside riptides.

Current Tau player looking to expand. Which is more fun, Necrons or IG?

>>50705435

>implying I wasn't just memeing
>implying I wasn't just pretending to be retarded
how many levels of irony are you on my dude?

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I'd like to hear opinions on my Thousand Son list. my intent was fluff, with viability in casual games.

My strategy was having each Sorcs from the WarCabal join a Rubric unit, taking their powers from the Change tree and generating personal warp charges with Siphon Magic before firing whatever whichfires are in range. The ScarabOccultTermie Sorc is chancing at Sinistrum for WarpFate(1) for re-rolling all failed saves, but I'll take Armour of hatred(3), as it is a blessing that effects in a 12" bubble to get the +1 invul and Adamantium Will. If not, another witchfire is fine. To be joined by the Ml3 Sorc from the TzaangorWarherd for the (Jump Infantry) relic. Depending on the ScarabSorcs powers will be trying the same thing psychic-wise.

The WarCoven rolling powers on Telepathy as their Cult for 3+ harness. Taking Psychic Scream(primaris) instead of Dominate(1) and Hallucination(6). Invisibility to be cast on Rubrics if able to, Shrouding for Tzaangors and Spawn in the vicinity. Each Sorc to join a Tzaangor unit. Johnny Tsunamy to be warpboarding solo, gun-and-go, Athanaean Scrolls to not be DENIED THE DICE ARE DOWN, BUT THE WARP IS UP

Finally Tzaangors that can Run and Charge, with 6 units of single Chaos Spawn for bodies on the table, that get to reroll saves of 1 feel like good cannon fodder/objective takers

>inb4
>Don't play Thousand Sons
>bitching about unit cost
>Rainbow Horrors
>no Magnus

>>50705471

Put the Exalted Sorc in the Warherd so that he gets the re-roll?

Also, mastery level 1 sorcs? No heavy weapons on your terminators? I don't know much about Thousand Sons strategy, but what's the reasoning behind this?

>>50705375
Question. Can't Chosen Champions finagle their way into having a plasma gun?

The first set of upgrades in their data sheet says MODELS may take... Plasma Gun.

Then there's a second set of upgrades, where ONE CHOSEN MAY TAKE... Another plasma gun, or an autocannon or smth.

>>50705452
You really didn't, you just said "the glass things you keep fish in"

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>>50705233
>>AdMech get a dedicated transport
WE HAVE TWO
AND WE WILL GET THEM WITH IA

>>50705493

Yes, that is correct. Chosen Champions can have plasma guns because it says "model." But they can't have an autocannon, only a non-character Chosen can have one.

>>50705496
>it's not an answer because I'm too retarded to comprehend it
Shame.

>>50705496
Later on he answered that he meant the kastelan, but he was not forthcoming on that.

>>50705506
Okay, that's what I thought.

I think people using this list-builder are missing out, then.

>>50705210
I'm not sure what you mean by fun line. Are you going to park it behind the Aegis wall? Because if that's your plan, you have a lot of close range tanks for that. If you're going for a line list that includes an Aegis Line, I'd go with at least 1 Platoon of Guardsmen, Camo Cloak vets so they get +1 to their cover save and some longer range tanks. I understand that when things finally arrive at your door, having a bunch of close range stuff is useful, but that also means they can just wait far away and shoot you too.

Personally I'd ditch the line idea with this current list. I'd drop the Command Squad and Aegis Defense Line for 2 Chimeras for the Vets and it would be a pretty solid fun list. Good to see Bullgryn, I just got myself a box of 3 and I'm excited to build them.

>>50705501

According to the Chaos players who say their dudes don't have drop pods, IA doesn't count :^)

>>50705536
Because Chaos don't get drop pods in IA :^)

>>50705543

>dreadclaw
>kharybdis

>>50705536
Chaos gets expensive cannibal pods

>>50705555
Those are not vehicles.

>>50705555
>overcosted pieces of shit
>literally eat occupants
>not called "Drop Pod" or "Chaos Drop Pod"
>no Drop Pod Assault
Like I said, no drop pods. :^)

>>50705352
>>50705423
Huh. I'm not sure why, but I didn't even notice the MoT not stacking past 3 (probably cause it only says it in it's first entry, and not in the back of the codex). It is still technically doable, but requires a good Ectomancy roll (which you can only roll with 2 powers).
The wording is kind of strange with MoT, as it stacks up to 3, but can't be stacked upon, I assume? I would assume that temporary takes place after permanent, but I'm still somewhat new to 40k.

>>50705572
>literally eat occupants
such is the folly of chaos

>wow the daemon guys can give me so much cool stuff!
>WAIT NO STOP EATING ME I THOUGHT WE WERE COOL

>>50705490
You right. I was thinking about the ease of casting but rerolls sounds good.

lack of heavy weapons was of point restrictions.

all psykers in a Thousand Son detachmanet can choose to instead take the entire Tzeentch tree when generating powers, while the Grand Coven lets psykers cast an ADDITIONAL power in each psychic phase. I thought using such would substantuate Ml1. Though the sorcs do have SpellFamiliars to make casting easier

>>50705602
The short of it is that it improves your save, but stops working if it would improve it to 2++.
Imagine the calculation as factoring in the MoT last. If your save would be improved beyond 3++, the MoT can't apply, since it can only improve the save to a 3++.

Of course there was some retard arguing a few threads back that it meant any model with a MoT could never, ever have a 2++ but fuck him and fuck that noise.

>>50705602

We debated this for hours, a couple weeks ago. Rules as written, Mark of Tzeentch doesn't count when adding invulnerable saves and modifiers in a way that would increase your invulnerable save to better than 3++. However, it does not block you from getting a better-than-3++ save through other means.

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>>50705623

You still need Mastery Levels if you want to generate more powers, Grand Coven only lets you CAST more powers (since you will always have Tzeentch's Firestorm and Force in addition to your rolled powers)

>>50705629
>>50705624
I remember the argument and understand why it wouldn't improve past 2++, but someone should really just submit it to geedubs as a FAQ so we can have an absolute answer one way or the other.

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>>50705618
>hurr Chaos a shit so they deserve shit rules
>muh heresy is bad memes!

Marinebabbies at their finest. No, I actually play DE, I just think it'd be more interesting for all armies to have something viable. I literally do not see the fluff or crunch arguments against Chaos drop pods.

>>50705651

GW has made some weird FAQ decisions though recently. meltabombs

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>>50705536
>Chaos players
are faggots

>>50705555

>neither of these models are are available anymore
>likely soon to be removed
>the kharybdis is also fuckheug

>>50705658
You might be right actually, I can already imagine GW accidentally giving TS an army-wide 2++

>>50705653
>I just think it'd be more interesting for all armies to have something viable
didn't chaos literally just get a huge increase in viableness and generally interesting rules without resorting to copying pods (which are cancer)

>>50705658
Did they bounce back on the ruling but for meltabombs only or are you referring to the retarded one-per-phase grenade rule?

>>50703788

>Working on

Just finished repainting a battlewagon. Deciding what to do next. Maybe 20 Stormboyz that have been sitting around since the new kit hit.

>Played anything recently

Last game was against GSC a few weekends ago. Extremely narrow victory to me, only won because a lone Loota made 3 cover saves on the end of Turn 5, then the game ended.

>Games coming up

Big apoc game on the weekend.

>Any additions to your army?

Got 10 Kromlech Meganobz for Christmas. Arrived last week but I'm being good and waiting until Christmas to crack the parcel open

>>50705653
Anon no point in argueing all they see is chaos is bunch of whiners but it's okay when thier chapter gets shit on to complain about it.

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>>50705642
I'm not generating more powers though.

I am substituting generating my single power, that must rolled on Tzeentch(that I understand is a power) for pic relateds rule.

am I misinterpreting this? I was under the interpretation that iteration of rules goes
>BRB
>>Codex
>>>Supplement

>>50705653

>CSM now get Drop pods except you're allowed to land on opposing units, which is treated as a ram/tank shock. Storm bolters are replaced with upgradeable combi-bolters to combi- or Havoks. They may also purchase Dirge Casters.

What happens to the CSM?

>>50705763
CAN choose. You aren't force to use the Discipline of Tzeentch at all. It's just not available to a particular Sorcerer unless they have a rule allowing it. That's what that line is about.

>>50705283
Elesh Norn is the best thing to happen to Phyrexian. She's easy the most popular Praetor and the defacto face of them now.

>>50705763
>>50705847
I'm autistic. I thought we get to use any power from tzeentch as long as we only generated from tzeentch.

I'm an idiot. though still optimistic.

>>50705874
In the same sense that Sisters of Battle are the best thing to happen to 40k because waifufags like them, I suppose.

All nuphyrexians are shit, all praetors are terrible, and Scars was one of the worst blocks both fluff and crunchwise.

>>50705908
mirroden was a mistake

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>>50705908
Stay mad

what's the best way to get SM assault marines

I want to buy a box of tacticals and then two sets of jump packs to get 10 assault marines, but I wouldn't have enough chainswords I guess

could I just use chaos chainswords? I've got a shitload of those cock suckers lying around

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>>50705624
>>50705629
>>50705651
Never been much for General Threads, but I might stick around this one for a while to get a feel of these things. Either way, an army-wide 3++rerollable is what I already had on everything but the Sorcerers, and is most of what I was going for. If anything, this just says that Exalted Sorcerers are where its at. And also that Ectomancy is a best, since it can literally make my dudes invulnerable for the rest of the game with the right roll and is still good with the rest of the rolls.

>>50705997
Why not buy the actual assault marine box?

>>50705986
Stay thirsty.

>>50706013

2 Assault Marine boxes = $82
1 Tactical Squad + 2 Jump Pack sets = $56.50

The only thing you really miss out on is the actiony poses of the legs, you also get a lot of extra bits with the Tacticals

>>50705701
Instead Black Legion got a bunch of Deep Strike shenanigans, which is basically the same thing

>>50706009

Just remember that you only reroll 1s if your selections are maxed.

Ignores Cover now works like the AP system. A squad of Scouts in a ruin have a 4+ cover save and get shot with say, a flamer with Ignores Cover (4+). They don't get their save.

But if they take camo cloaks which add +1, the ruin gives them a 3+ cover save. Now they get that save against the flamer, but not versus, say, a heavy flamer, which has Ignores Cover (3+).

Good? Shit? While writing this I figured flamers could probably do with being better than what I marked them down as, but.
>a save reduction system would be better
Remember how everyone bitches about Rend from AoS whenever it's brought up here? Same deal.

>>50706103
>adding a stat to every weapon in the game

not happening

>>50706103
I don't understand why Ignores Covers needs a change in the first place. Just scale back access to weapons with it, and it'll be fine.

Anyone else having trouble wit the IA13 book in the megas? I've tried three different ones and I only ever get a white screen.

>>50706103
Go age of sigmar
Instead of AP ignoring armor you instead move to the rend/damage system which reduces your armor save.
Cover increases your save by +1, ignores cover removes the benefit from cover.
Invulnerable saves prevent your save from ever being worse then a set value.

>>50706068
Of course. The only reason this tripped me up is the wargear/index sections didn't list the 3+ restriction. It's only in the Marks of Chaos entry at the beginning of the book that it mentions it.

>>50706103
better idea

>ditch cover saves entirely
>make light/heavy cover modify the to-hit roll (by -1/-2), like it used to

>>50706283
>demolisher cannons now rape literally everything
sure buddy

>>50706305
I'm sure you'll figure out ways to blow up a 13/11/10 tank with a single 24" cannon.

Does a unit of Nightlords in a Dread claw grant the Dread Claw stealth?

>>50706305
Cover saves should reduce BS against regular shooting, provide cover saves against blasts, and do nothing against templates.

>>50706329
>implying I wouldn't spam the everloving shit out of Thunderers
w e w

>>50706103
>>50706187
Alternatively, infinity, where Cover just reduces the shooter's bs and improves your armor save

>>50706577
you can't do infinity's granular stat system in 40k, the game (for better or for worse) is tied to the d6 so having cover modify a d6 by +1 or +2 is far too impactful compared to how infinity utilizes cover

>>50706593
Just about every infinity modifier is in increments of 3, I actually can;t think of any that aren't, so the granularness of it comes from unit base stats and the weird math of the facetoface rolls.

I think it could work in 40k, but the weapons would need to be rebalanced around it. so never

i cant find anywhere on how much "wargear" ur hq can take. im making a choas list but i have no idea how much i can upgrade him

So I don't want to start another shitstorm, but why are Trukk's considered bad again? They seem pretty effective for their points, though they do blow up easily. That'd still get the Boyz in close to combat.

>>50706689

It's not that Trukks are bad. Khorne Daemonkin would absolutely love Trukks. It's that what Trukks can transport is shit.

>>50706689
trukks are giving your opponent first blood and 10 orks inside one trukk aren't going to do anything impressive once they get out