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First for Alpharius

>>50693161
Cool pic OP

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>>50693178
??th for Omegon

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Surely you woundn't reference rules that are no longer available?
Pic is from limited Canoness btw.

I still can't decide between World Eaters or Death Guard.

plastic loud marines soon

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?? for best repentia ever

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>>50693200
im sure the digital dex is going nowhere

>>50693200
Proper Sisters update and plastics soon, Anon.

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>>50693223
Hahahahahaha no

Dark eldar are cool as fuck. So hilariously evil. How do I make an effective list without taking lame eldar as allies?

>>50693200
Well thanks to Impirial Agent; Forces of the Copy Pasted Codex. The Imperium has a better Greentide than orks The Faith Tide

>>50693237
Aren't eldar freakishly tall?

>>50693239
you dont

>>50693248
supposedly

>>50693239
Play Corsairs.

>>50693248
Humanity superior genes, shrinks Xenos inferior genes. It is a known fact

>>50693237
Hahahahahahahahah yes.

>>50693239
You take the L like a man, it's the price you pay for playing with those sweet pirate ships.

>>50693242
>Faith Tide
What?

>>50693239
Lots of boats.
Raiders with night shields and splinter racks full of warriors
Venoms with warriors
Raiders with night shields filled with true with blasters
Scourges with haywire blasters
lots of minimum sized squads of bikes
ravagers
dark artisan HQ, deep striking in with the webway key thingy

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>>50693242
The Faithtrain has no breaks!

Stupid question:
How many Victory Points is the Faithtrain worth? Most formations that force multiple units together have the clause
>This unit is worth x Victory Points
But this one doesn't.

>>50693297
1 killpoint.

>>50693276
Thanks to the formation. You can basically have:
10 DCA
10 Crusaders
10 Acolytes
Inquisitor with radical grenades of -1T
Psyker for giggles
3 priest one of them with thing that ensures war hymes work always.

>>50693273
unless you show me a picture of the sprues right now. nope.

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>>50693311
Alright, here.

>>50693303
That's what it looked like.
Absolutely brutal... the Faithtrain chugs to war!

>Are DCA / Crusaders still 15ppm?

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>>50693200
It is happening. Codex:Adepta Sororitas inbound. Rejoice, my sisters. Scourge and purge.

>>50693326
well played.
still unless i see physical evidence Sisters are basically gone in 8th. unless anybody has physical proof otherwise ill trust my gw rep.

>>50693330
it exists its the digital dex.

>>50693372
>fully revised and updated

>>50693327
Yes, it's blurry but it is either 10 or 15.

The Faith Rape Train is real. No idea if it is good

Quick chaos related question. Where can I find rules for the Blissgiver Slaanesh Demon weapon?

How do I properly treat a Skitarii Alpha Warlord to not be gibbed immediately? I love their Warlord traits but the damn things are pretty much squishier than IG HQ models while having a lot less cannonfodder to put between your guy and their stuff and only having CC customization apart from shields and relics.

Is putting him in a 10-man CC death-squad of Vanguards kitted out as much as possible the way to go and just come to terms with him probably being killed as a suicide commander or is taking a Ranger Alpha in a support gunner troop with snipers a better option to safely get as many uses out of Prefered Enemy correct?

>>50693372
Oh look its updated. Plastic Sisters DO NOT EXIST, NEVER WILL, please stop. Don't hope it's done.
Gw already said that it was a joke.

I say this as a sisters player. We need to face facts.

>>50693395
Get a Libarius Conclave for some buffs (like Invisibility) or for some mobility, throw in a GK for Hammerhand, etc.

It's imo a hilarious, but probably inefficient blob that's ready for Superfriends abuse

>>50693413
Also does anyone have any ideas for modeling it?

>>50693418
I'm not a sister's player, I'm just drinking the fuccboi tears as they realize they'll never get their womyn army plowed by bulls

y'all a bunch of KEKS

>>50693417

You take a Cult Mechanicus warlord.

This is why people talk about the Maniples so much. Because that's how you run Skitarii while keeping a Cult HQ.

PROTIP: The Start Collecting box formation is the cheapest way to get a Dominus in a Skitarii army.

Gonna start playing 40k for the first time now that I've finally finished painting some orks.

Is it worth running a painboy or a big mek with KFF with a group of killa kans? I was thinking a big mek could give them an invuln save for any shooting towards them and could repair some wounds they get. Or are Killa Kans not worth the bother for them?

>>50693457
KFF is always good for ork units

>>50693444
How so? I can face that they are done. I'm sure marines will get more toys.

>>50693457
>painboy
Don't affect vehicles.

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I just leave this here...

>>50693457

Painboy does nothing for kans. Use the KFF.

>>50693484
>those backpack birds
>those "kill me" looks

>>50693444
Well people meme and kek some to be president. Sure a meme army can get over power shit some day.

This has been the year of meme magic

how do I paint my ad mech army to be alt right?

>>50693448
I was worried that'd be the optimal answer.

Have been running a Dominus Maniple + other Skitarii stuff so far, wanted to give a pure Skitarii Maniple a try, tho, as I have a bit of a hard-on for Preferred Enemy.

>>50693509
Yeah its called Tau.

>>50693417
hide your warlord in better cover, keep him out of line of sight, and accept he'll get ganked easily all the time. i use daemon heralds and it's the same problem of being t3

>>50693519
Green and looking sad...

>>50693530
No no, Tau are the anime protagonist army.

>>50693532

>i use daemon heralds and it's the same problem of being t3

Nurgle herald, senpai.

>>50693436
Well for right now the Lord using it is a AoS Lord of Slaanesh on Daemonic mount, from my AoS army. Probably going to buy a new one, and replace the body and head and left arm with one from a chaos marine.

Anon who posted this LEGION WARGAMING jewtube channel, I don't quite care for the autistic monotone rambling, but I will say, they make the mantic terrain look really good.

Anon who posted DV blood angels fighting beside baby jesus, you should consider buying some terrain from mantic

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>>50693239
Reposting my list for all the fedgling Archons

Is the new alpha legion strong? What are its strengths and weaknesses?

>>50693567
Alpha Legion has no weakness, they wield lies made weapons, with each supposed weakness a hidden trap, each apparent advantage made hubris to bring about yet another downfall for the servants of the corpse-lord.

No true victory is to be won against them, for within each victory lies the seeds of chaos and dissent.

>>50693545
i don't like or use nurgle units besides a blue counts as prince or GUO

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>>50693559
>Anon who posted DV blood angels fighting beside baby jesus


Stat the baby jesus fortification lads

So my brother is coming over for christmas and wants me to explain him the basics of the game and play a small game or two with me.

Got about 2400 points of Black Templars and am currently assembling my first Skitarii squad, having a finished Tech-Priest Dominus already.

What kind of point range would be alright for a tiny demo game? Was either thinking super small with 250 points and normal rules, not Kill Team or just using the two Start Collecting formations of each army and filling the rest of points up with Wargear and extra troop models. Would have to proxy the Onager for that, as he's getting me that for Christmas and assembly+painting in 2 days isn't feasible, but that's not a real issue.

Going over the formation rules, though, the SM formation seems far worse than te Skitarii, especially when using BT chapter tactics.

>>50693563
What are the Razorwings for? You already seem pretty killy against infantry already.

>>50693178
[Victory Intensifies]

>>50693589

Use the two start collecting formations. 250pts is far too small to teach with.

>>50693580
I cut myself against your edge.

>>50693608
I just fucking love Eldar flyers and i needed some variety
Some AoE from the missiles and extra DLs/ SCs are a bonus

>>50693622
>edge
>not camp

welcome to 40k general, there are lots of great "getting started" resources in OP, please take the time to read it

also the fancy picture lists is created by a free web app which you see in OP if you want comments and criticism for a list you're planning

welcome to /tg/ and please enjoy your stay

>>50693297
So 10 DCA, 10 Crusaders and the priest is 325~ points not sure if worth it. But god damn it would funny to run 1000 points of this silly thing

>>50693608
>>50693630

They're about the only semi-reliable anti-air units Dark Eldar have access to. A Razorwing with DL's is always worth bringing just to harass and distract enemy aircraft; even if there aren't any, its Lances and missiles mean it won't be wasted against ground targets.

>>50693563
>no wyches

it's like you hate naked women

So I have Deathstrike: Overkill since last year and decided to finally assemble it.

I have been out of the loop for a while. Genestealer cults is a thing now.

Are they any good? Are the Deathstrike: Overkill box units any good? I found a codex on scribd, but desu I know dick about actual play. Thinking about expanding on the cult miniatures and was thinking what would be the best choices.

>>50693622
That was actually well written for a random post, so it's fine imho

>>50693309
How much would that be both points and moneywise?

Are the minis even still avaliable?

>>50693698
What is the problem with wyches these days, actually?

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>>50693713
thank you anon, I'm thinking of trying my hand at becoming a writer, so your compliment actually means a lot to me, have a picture of some boner inducing terrain

>>50693725
Assault units in a Shooting dominated edition.

>>50693725

All CC units are devalued right now, and they don't have the resilience to make up for their lack of shooting.

>>50693725
nothing if we're being serious and actually evaluating the dark eldar codex


the short answer is that the current rules are about shooting and the long answer is that they're not as cost effective as other choices in the codex.

Deldar competitively have always been very spammy, but even in competitive lists some archons favor wyches. If you're playing against a highlander list or really anyone who isn't WAAC the wyches offer a really strong assault punch.

Unfortunately the wyches will only get off one good assault per game, while 10 kabalites could be utilizing a splinter rack on a jinking boat (since the boat jinking doesn't penalize the squad inside) and this meshes will with deldar's playstyle of "shoot as many splinter weapons as you can"


Wyches do have a nice advantage in the form of fast open-topped vehicles so if they're not target priority (and they won't be) they will get off a good assault, but they probably won't get a good second assault.

>>50693768
and most people will run an archon with some sort of elite CC unit such as incubi or snake tits for their assault punch, a sort of mini-deathstar which smashes into something and leaves it beyond fucked

>>50693768
So they're probably good for tying up some other unit, instead of going on murder trains?

>>50693730
Do you have any "my dudes" stories written about your 40k games yet?

>>50693781
they'll probably murder one unit

>>50693714
If I run that stupidity I might just use my BT with what ever equipment as Crusaders. My assorted Repentias, my old metal darmonettes, random malifux and other girls with could be swords as DCA

Each model is 15 points the naked priest 25. 325 points for 21 models.

>>50693780
Incubi are still worth taking? I thought the lack of grenades made them not worth taking because

>charge into cover
>get wrecked because literally everyone will go before you do now

>>50693806
Why Incubi, or hell, most Dark Eldar don't get to ignore the I penalty for charging through cover infuriates me to no end. Dark Eldar are supposed to be biologically faster than Craftworld Eldar, who already run around Space Marines, who already outclass Human olympians.

>>50693830
But are they as fast as Cor'bax Utterblight, Nurgle Daemon prince of the Ruinstorm, who is I9?

>>50693783
not really, I haven't played 40k in about 4 years or so, been playing infinity (I've got over 2000 points of combined army, which is 10 armies) and board games instead.

After moving (so box up all your toys and tuck them away) and with 7th edition coming out I didn't want to buy a new rulebook and codices, I had actually told my friends that I didn't think I would ever play 40k again.

Then AoS came out and promised free rules and next thing you know it's been a year and I bought an ogre army (another thing I didn't think I would do because the gee dubs ogres are fat and I didn't originally like how they looked). I also bought two boxes of the AoS starter kit because why not.

Then I bought a box of calth because hey, free minis if you buy 30 marines.

Now there's traitor legions out, thousand sons (the army which got me into the hobby) have an update (even if csm tzeentch is shit and it's just magnus who's good, that said if you like tzeentch like I do play some heralds of ruin, rubric marines are ace in that) and 8th edition is coming sometime.

I suppose I could write up a story or two about some games I've played if you'd like

>>50693806
Archon can take a grenade backpack which gives him assault grenades so if he's in the unit they can charge through cover and then strike first.

This is pretty much why you only take one CC unit because getting deldar assault grenades is very expensive

>>50693854
>I9 Nurgle Daemon Prince
Isn't Nurgle stuff supposed to be slow though?

>>50693830
A friend and I are bandying about with the idea of homebrewing charging into cover into a modifier.

>light cover is -1 I
>medium cover is -2 I
>heavy cover is -3 I

But yeah, I wonder how borked if 40k Eldar and Dark Eldar got "Always Strikes First" like their fantasy counterparts.

Or this whole thing could be avoided if they incubi tormenters FUCKING RULES GOD DAMN GW ITS RIGHT THERE! Or at least bring back 53 PGLs

>>50693248
it's probably perspective. she's actually quite a bit further away, looking at the sister of battle looking lustily at a wall, thinking "what the fuck are they doing now"

>>50693780

archons aren't even worth running.

>>50693860
They changed the way Phantasm Grenade Launchers work in the 6e codex. Instead of giving the squad grenades, it only is a crappy Fear inducing shooting attack.

>>50693900
Not even for blaster shenanigans? I don't want to abandon my archon with the custom freakishly oversized agoniser claw.

>>50693860
>Archon can take a grenade backpack which gives him assault grenades

That was removed from the current codex. It's now just a mediocre ranged attack.

Dark Eldar should just ignore all penalties for moving though difficult and dangerous terrain. Movement, Intiative, Damage, whatever. Call it Unmatched Agility or something.

>>50693900
>Not using them as i did with my list
Archons are used for minor dakka and being a distraction

>>50693878
yeah, all daemons of nurgle have slow/purposeful but they have decent enough initiative on the big units

>>50693183
You could basically just put Doc Octopus in as AdMech, but with a hood and red instead of green

>>50693918
>>50693902
>>50693900

ahahaha, why though? why would you take away the only thing dark eldar had?

I guess people just run a succubi as an HQ tax and pray that their nerfed splinter will carry them?

why do marines get loaded up with every grenade under the sun while the race which is about going into planets and storming buildings to kidnap slaves doesn't have any rules supporting their CC background?

40k is so silly

>>50693683
Those are units.
I saw that DCA go from 2-10 and I can assume Crusaders also go from 2-10
That's up to a 101 model army if you max it out.

If Jacob is the same he'll have Fearless / CounterAttack banner
Giving your 101 blob a point cost of 1600, assuming just Crusaders and DCA

>With the best bullshit, it doesn't have the "This unit is worth X kill points, so even though it can be composed of 11 points it only gives 1

>>50693878
Daemons, particularly more powerful ones, tend to rend reality itself with their passing, it's one of the things that makes them really dangerous to anyone without counter-Warp stuff. It's huge, durable, immune to most anti-biological weapons, has no internal organs or weak points, and on top of that reality itself, the same reality that your targeters would work off, is distorted around it. It's not uncommon for time to straight-up take shifts and liberties with Greater Daemons and Daemon Princes.

>>50693971
>why do marines get loaded up with every grenade under the sun while the race which is about going into planets and storming buildings to kidnap slaves doesn't have any rules supporting their CC background?
>why do marines
>marines

that's why

>>50693974
Wait the formation is unites? Not models? Holy fuck I read that wrong

Pkay, question.

Suppose I'm playing sisters. I have a Priest. In a melee he channels his hymns, and gives himself Smash for a phase.

But he's also using an Eviscerator. Does he swing at S10? If the bonus from both effects apply his strength would be 12 (reduced to 10). Do they stack, or no?

>>50693992
Lo, with the Emperor's guidance, they are humanity's savior. It is said that for every million imperial planets, there is a single space marine to guard them, and yet this is enough. To beat back the alien, the heretic, the traitor. For they are his divine will made flash, the adeptus astartes. Space marines.

AND THEY SHALL KNOW NO RULES!

>>50693484
Fuck I actually want this now...
because I'm a furfag who likes transformation and merging

>>50693985

Tzeentch daemons in particular are only represented by stuff like pink horrors because they need some kind of model. They're basically churning figures of reality itself being warped and destroyed.

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>>50694016
remember kids, clean your mold lines

>>50693471
>>50693473
>>50693489
Ah, thanks guys. Still not familiar with all the rules, also would it be worth sticking the big mek in mega armour? It seems very costly points wise but a 2+ armor save on top of the 5+ invuln seems really nice.

>>50694010

I'm probably wrong, but I think they would stack, just round down to 10, like you said.

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>>50694040

I'm literally triggered and shaking right now.

>>50693878
Most of it is slow. The big stuff still tends to be rather quick.

Greater Daemons and Daemon Princes are pretty much the most powerful non-superheavies in the game. Having more than one in a single place is a HUGE deal, and even one of them is a reality-warping monstrosity.

>>50693881
ASF is a retarded rule. We already have a stat to represent Initiative; we don't need a rule that completely overrides it all the time. The game already has enough worthless/heavily marginalized stats (WS, BS6+, LD). Just give Dark Eldar units grenades.

>acolyte units now consists of only acolytes and mystics
where do all the rest of the henchmen go

Question guys with traitor legions. So I've seen army builders and people making lists using relics from a legion and from generic csm relics. The rules have instead at the end shouldn't it be one or the other not both?

>>50694073
Theres a Warband formation that lets you merge them into the old thing.

I've spent 3 days trying to get Thousand Sons to work at 1k points.

It can't be done. It just can't. I'm on the verge of selling my fucking soul to Tzeentch to make this work because, short of making it basically a tzeentch daemon army, EVERYTHING is overcosted.

>>50694073
To the Faith Tide Rape Train that has no breaks.

Also formation the are formation for some fucking reason

>>50693985
i'm sure they do have internal organs, they just also bend the laws of physics and are more just aesthetic. the nurgle ones anyway, and as far as we know they bleed ichor as well, but I'm unsure how far that's of their own physiology or how far its the people fighting them expecting them to bleed, so the warp sort of acquieses in a small and meaningless way.

>>50694101
can you point me to this formation

Hey guys.

Can someone explain to me what happened to the Tau firewarriors in this edition, and why I can't buy a regular box of 12 firewarriors for about $45 cdn,.anymore?

Also, any general information on the Tau changes are welcome, thanks

>>50694118
Nope. Sadly I can't didn't save.
I think it was:
Acolyte with 0-2 of DCA, 0-2 Crusader, 0-2 Flags, 0-6 Monkeys, 0-1 Priest, 0-1 Engiseer

And they all form a single unit

>>50694090
What do you think the word "may" means?

>>50694056
Ha, never mind. I just mathed it outo and it turns out that the loss of the extra attacks he'd take in exchange for the extra strength doesn't make up for it.

Now this is only on the charge, but one swing at s10 is EQUIVALENT to 3 swings at s6 versus both T10 (exact number of wounds dependent on the WS of the target) and AV15 (assuming our preachin' man ever swings at a building or Superheavy walker; pens are still possible because the Eviscerator has Armourbane). In all other cases the 3 swings is better.

In subsequent phases when the Priest only swings twice, Smash might be more useful, but it still loses out to rerolling the to-wound roll/armor/invulnerable saves.

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>>50694118
>>50694137
Found it.

>>50694040
>I never cleaned my mold lines while putting my possessed marine together.
>Its horns are too close to the wings and my hands shake too badly to try and trim them now.

Kill me

>>50694102
Pretty much. Pure Thousand Sons (without Magnus) might be the worst army in the game It's either them or Orks, and Orks have a pretty favorable match-up against TS.. You don't have enough Warp Charge OR decent spells to be entirely reliant on the psychic phase, you don't have the numbers or durability to withstand enemy shooting, and your offensive shooting and melee capabilities are paltry.

>>50694142
What do you think "instead" means.

Just bought a bunch of Orks off a dude from our GW who's going away to join the IDF for a year or something.

I get why people say their codex is underpowered relative to most of the other armies, but they're surprisingly fun to play as regardless. There's something really cathartic about ork play that I can't really put my finger on. I dig it, though.

>>50694150
Are still deamonhost utter shit? I have 6 Penitent engine pilots waiting to be something useful.

Also where did 10 point Psyker Acolyte go? Or what are they now?

>>50694157
>and my hands shake too badly to try and trim them now.

I feel your pain brother, be strong

>>50693860
Well, forging that narrative out of your games is a good way to practice writing; infinity whould be kinda good as well since it kinda plays like an action movie (if you consider order=camera spends time on guy)

>>50694150
those special rules are great. some traits can be very helpful for this weak unit

though rest in peace 3 servitors with free heavy bolters/multi-meltas and spammable psyker units

>>50694176
daemonhosts have so far been really cost efficient if random

>>50694172
I think that the wording is congruous with other books, and you shouldn't act like a bitch when you have no leg to stand on.

>>50694176

I'm going to guess they got rid of the 10-point walking warp charge.

>>50694199
I'm going to mis my 12 warp charges for 120 points. It was the easiest way to have anti Psyker without going into other things

>>50693330
>12" precision shots bubble
wew laddy, if only they have decent guns to actually use this with.

>>50693910
.>>50693921

That is border line useful, I rather use a 10 point HQ and put those points elsewhere.

I mainly use Covens though, so that is just my CAD HQ just so I can take the good parts of DE

>>50693971

Because marines make the game go round, as much as I hate it.

>>50694176
>Are still deamonhost utter shit? I have 6 Penitent engine pilots waiting to be something useful.

No clue. Haven't seen a leak, guessing they'll be the same.

>Also where did 10 point Psyker Acolyte go? Or what are they now?
Wyrdvane Psykers. Tho you can get a Astropath (for 15pts more) and have him attached.

>>50694226
Well Exorcists come to mind.

>>50694227
>Because marines make the game go round, as much as I hate it.

I'll be honest, I really like marines. I really like blue marines. In another time, another age, I would probably play the ultra smurfs themselves. Instead I'm locked into bouts of hipsterism fielding emperor's spears, alpha legion (blue with green high lights ala duncan).

Of course I still play orks and deldar, because if I'm told to roll two 3+ saves I'll fail them both, therefore the only solution is to roll 100 4+ or 5+ dice in the shooting phase

>>50694227
I'd rather lose a little spam for a more fluffy/varied list
Hell i was trying to work Mandrakes into my above list, but couldn't find a balance

>>50694102
I haven't gotten much actual play in with them yet, but that's pretty congruous with what I've seen trying them at 1000, 1500, and 1850. Rubricae and Scarab Occult are too expensive, their squad psykers are massively overpriced and useless, and most of the formations offer mediocre benefits for shit units.

I didn't really expect much out of the release, but I at least wanted to be able to ally some back the Tzeentch Daemons that started as their allies without it feeling like a handicap.

>>50694211
I used the same wording you seemed to use bitch. I came for a simple answer not some man child that can't even act with some kind of courtesy. May means you can choose to use it, instead says one or the other which implies both.

>>50694157
I didn't trim my mould lines either when I started. Now I have a ton of orks already painted that'd take forever to trim and repaint the scrapings. Feels really bad man.

>>50694102
my thousand sons at 1000 points list:

Magnus + anything else

You could run 350 points of rubric marines (so like 13 marines) and still win because magnus is that under costed

i hope inquisitors get good gear and relics so they can actually do something in close combat instead of die to the first s6 hit that goes right through their invulnerable saveless ass

>>50694073
>>50694101
>>50694104
that's dumb as shit, you used to be able to take crusaders to protect your special weapon acolytes and now you can't do any shit like that.

>>50694274
well, they don't, so you have that to look forward to

>>50694242

I have nothing against them, people like them for a reason, I am not a fan of them getting all the love though. I also play Chaos Marines, so I understand some of the appeal, but also where a lot of my hate comes from. GW finally threw me a bone, so I don't complain as much anymore.

>>50694247

I use mandrakes and wyches in my coven lists, so I understand not wanting to be spammy or cookie cutter. I also acknowledge than the best DE list tend to be spammy, and that the best tend to be a lot more elder than dark variety.

where was that anon who was autistically mad that people said sisters couldn't fly around inside allied space ships?

everytime someone told him that the imperial agents book wouldn't let them he would just reply "YOU DON'T HAVE THE BOOK FUCK OFF"

>>50693330
Interesting. She isn't unique. So I guess you could bring multiples of her?

>>50694272
>implying anyone will actually play against this list and it isn't incredibly boring because you have 1 fucking unit
tau player detected.

>>50694254
Don't get mad just because you have shit tier reading comprehension and can't figure it out even when the key word is pointed out to you.

>>50694308
It's a meme list. Like those Ethereal+2xFire Warriors+Tau'nar lists.

>>50694176
Dont think we've had daemonhosts leaked yet, but the 10pt Psychic Shriek on legs went up in the world. He's a 25pt Astropath now, which is essentially a 15pts increase, not too bad, and can be upgraded to ML2. Well done him.
Also you can take Wyrdvane Psykers separately, or have a mini-psykana division for 3+ harness.
I like it, apart from the Warband thing. They nerfed the auto-take and added new shit, plus cool Warlord trait. I do miss the 5 fire point Chimeras, though, and the ability to make a Warband the old way, since now they're basically useless in Kill Team.

>>50694293
I've been playing chaos for years too, but I broke down and just used my chaos marines with the loyalist codex, they're newly fallen renegades ;)

>>50694308
>waah my army loses all it's games
>ok so use the WAAC unit
>nobody will play with you

Listen up you fucker, I get that you don't actually play this game an instead just shitpost, but let me tell you something.

1000 Sons without magnus is viable against other armies where the opponent's aren't WAAC twats. And if they are WAAC twats magnus will give you a fighting chance.

There is no world where you can't play one of those two lists. If your rubric marines are out classed by decurion bullshit then your opponent damn well better fight magnus, and if you're playing against an opponent who has chaos terminators outfitted like the pictures on the GW storepage you can damn well bet that 1k sons without magnus will stand a fighting chance.

Not everyone is fielding decurions and knight spam, not everyone refuses to play WAAC. It depends on your local scene (and your scene probably has a mixture of both) but you can and will find games and have fun with either list.

>>50694301
Sisters still can take FW Arvus Lighters and that other shitty flyers. Both are cheaper than Valkyries, too.

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>faith tide
unit has nothing to do with faith/sisters

>>50694340
>1000 Sons without magnus is viable against other armies where the opponent's aren't WAAC twats.
Confirmed for being exactly the same shitposter that doesn't actually play the game that you're talking about.

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where do I go from here

>>50693342
Does the updated digital dex have Celestine removed aswell?

I'm not an imperial player by any means, I'm just now starting to dive into 30k, but I thought I would try my hand at some 40k marines. I've always loved the look and fluff of the black Templars, but there is already a Templars player in our group so I decided to go with space sharks instead.

Here's a beginning list I threw together so I can understand the army and have some fun while I'm at it. Critique please, and let me know if anything is wrong and what can be improved. I've got everything here except for 2 drop pods and tyberos.

Charcaradons CAD
HQ
Tyberos, the Red Wake

Troops
The Red Bretheren (LC assault terminators) in LRC with MM and EA
5 man tac in drop pod with pistol/chainsword
5 man tac in drop pod with pistol/chainsword

Fast Attack
Xiphon Interceptor with flare/chaff

Formation: Skyhammer Assault
2x10 assault marines, evicerator, sarge with evicerator
2x5 devastators in drop pods, 4x grav cannons with amps, sarge with pistol/chainsword


The other option is to just take a double Skyhammer formation. I love Tyberos and his Red Bretheren, but they are extremely expensive. Double Skyhammer is simple, gets into combat immediately to trigger their chapter tactic, and seems really fluffy for a fast striking combat chapter.

2000 charcaradons formations
4x10 assault marines, evicerator, vet. sarge with evicerator
4x 5 devastators, extra ccw, grav cannons and amps, sarge with melta bombs and combi-grav.

I know Skyhammer is powerful, I'm not trying to be funny, this is a serious list I want critiqued. I want to know the best way to run space sharks.

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>>50694340

>I've been playing chaos for years too, but I broke down and just used my chaos marines with the loyalist codex, they're newly fallen renegades ;)

You're the worst type of chaos player

I used orks as Space Wolves though

>>50694270
I have a squad of Vanguard, a squad of Rangers, a Tech-priest Dominus and a Dunecrawler all like that. It doesn't show much on the Crawler and Dominus, but the Rangers are horrible. At least they usually spend their time in the case or cowering on an objective inside a ruin, so I don't have to look at them much.

I have since learned my lesson, so my Sicarians look much nicer.

>>50694331
I'm hoping that the Flagellants are costed at 10 ppm like the digi-AS dex than the 15 ppm in digi-Inq dex.

Gives them a chance

>>50694175
You have to have a sense of humour with Orks. You have to be able to laugh off firing 40 shots with shoota boys and only hitting 4 times and wounding 1. At the same time you get to laugh when your Weirdboy deep strikes an entire mob of boys right behind their gunline.

Orks don't make much sense but there is something fun about that.

>>50694394
>ou have to be able to laugh off firing 40 shots with shoota boys and only hitting 4 times

Look at Mr fucking Sniper here landing 4 whole hits.

>>50694344
They have Shield of Faith. So clearly they're pretty dang Faithful.

The Faithtrain is coming into the station.

>>50694382
Like 90+% of the average CSM collection is fully cross-compatible with the loyalist codexes. If they don't want us treating the MEQ codexes like the interchangeable copy-jobs that they are, they should give us more options that are both fluffy, unique, and viable.

Hell, just give us Drop Pods. That like 2/3 of the incentive to go loyalist.

>>50694390
probably 15 to stay safe

at least they got shield of faith now :)))

>>50694382
You mean the type that used 5th edition GK rules for their Thousand Sons because "it totally fit the fluff way better" ?

>>50694175
>but they're surprisingly fun to play as regardless.

Won't last, it soon wears off because no matter how fun it is being routinely and systematically destroyed no matter what you field really takes the FU out of fun and just slaps it in your face.

>>50694390
Would be nice, I always thought about running some but a T3, FnP, no save chump with no AP or ranged weapon was really not worth the cost. If they're only 10 pts, I might get some and use them as suicide bombers.

I hate to interrupt all of the in deep conversions and discussions but I figured this would be the best place to ask. I want to get into Warhammer but have absolutely no idea where to start. Don't crucify me but I started by playing Space Marine and then started reading up on lore and such. Whats the best way for me to get into the tabletop stuff?

>>50694411
Maybe. IA was a copy paste job, but which version was copied? :^)

>Not running Jacob as the Conductor of the Faithtrain so they all get a 5++ Shield of Faith and a FNP

>>50694423
Go to a gamestore. Ask for a demo game. Go from there. Leave this place and never return.

>>50694340
>Not everyone is fielding decurions and knight spam, not everyone refuses to play WAAC. It depends on your local scene (and your scene probably has a mixture of both) but you can and will find games and have fun with either list.
but Anon, I don't play games, I just shitpost here. I don't even have a local scene :^)

>>50694423
TT? See if a friend wants to go half on a starter set or roll up to your FLGS and ask to play a test game

Fluff wise it's DoW games > 1-3 HH books > codexes/Lexicanum

>>50694410

I would only say half, the other half is grav

>>50694412

Yes, and blood angels as world eaters (back when they were good)

and space wolves make a decent KDK, old style blood crushers, wulfen that are awesome possessed, etc

>>50694340
The irony here is the fact that 1ksons can beat other armies using their decurion but the moment those armies actually use their own decurion they become the WAAC faggots.

>>50694423
The Start collecting! Box of whatever army looks the coolest to you. If you have a friend who also wants to start, you might want the Dark Vengeance Box.

But if you already have a local Store or Community, go to them first, see how a few games are played and talk to the people there, there'll be better advice since the game will differ locally somewhat, and those people will be your opponents.

i could use some advice on my list, my core is Combined Arms Detachment 993pts

+ HQ +

Warboss [Choppa, Gift: Headwoppa's Killchoppa, Slugga, Warbike]

Zhadsnark 'Da Rippa' (FW) [Warlord]

+ Troops +

19x Boys, Shootas
Nob [Big Choppa, Bosspole, Shoota]

19x Boys, Shootas
Nob [Big Choppa, Bosspole, Shoota]

19x Gretchins
Runtherd [Grabba stik]

19x Gretchins
Runtherd [Grabba stik]

5x Warbikers
Nob [Bosspole, Power Klaw]

5x Warbikers
Nob [Bosspole, Power Klaw]

Now I'm wondering whether or not to keep the shoota boys or make them into slugga boys and use the points for two extra warbikers.

>>50694467
The formation bonus for having the full amount of units is nuts though. Reroll failed saves of 1 on Scarab Occult ... Anything not AP 2 will bounce off, and AP 2 probably too once you slap a blessing on them for the 3++

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>>50694177
>ywn paint a straight line

>>50694467

I think they could probably put up a good fight against the ork Decurion

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>>50694356
I played this exact garbage list against a number of people. All of them had CAD, all of them had "bad" units, or "bad" weapon choices, none of them were tau or had super heavies or lords of war, most of them had weird shit like a footslogging 5 man squad of chaos terminators with lightning claws and a reaper auto cannon and one power axe and some fists and shit.

I've played it against dark eldar which only had one venom, and three bikes with a bunch of raiders.

I've played it against highlander space marines.

I've played it against all manner of orks.

Does this garbage list lose games? Yes, but it also wins games. It doesn't crush, it doesn't get crushed. So long as you're following the spirit of the game, and neither side is trying to win, neither side is trying to game the points system by taking optimized tournament lists, the game runs fine.

>>50694467
You completely misinterpreted what I've written.

If you build 1k sons without magnus and just play for fun, against people who do the same, you will have fun enjoyable games.

If you build 1k sons without magnus and play to win, against people who do the same, you will have terrible games.

The golden rule of age of sigmar applies to 40k and has always applied to 40k. Discuss what kind of game you want to have with your opponent beforehand and work out a way for both players to have fun.

>>50694480
>Zhadsnark 'Da Rippa' (FW) [Warlord]

Not valid. Ignored.

>>50694480
orks don't need forgeworld to be competitive at 1000 points, orks get stronger at smaller point values

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>that new teaser

>>50694367
How would I know?

>>50694496
eh, there are lots of things you can do to paint straight lines, bracing your hand/fingers against the model or your palm and a bunch of other things. Manipulating the model, not your brush. Control your breathing. If you start to shake take a break and focus on your breathing.

Like there's lots of ways to control yourself, unless you're full on Parkinson's (like you can have symptoms of Parkinson's and still paint somewhat)

>>50694533
Its AoS-shit.

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>>50694533
Aelfs confirmed
>mfw it's new Vect

It won't be Vect ofc

>>50694521
I'm facing AdMech with Peltasts

>>50694506
>work out a way for both players to have fun.
But anon, in the grim darkness of the gaming store, there is only war

Jokes aside, I once won with Thousand Sons against necrons with the first version of the trancendant C'tan. The guy couldn't believe he actually lost, but there are objectives for a reason

>>50694561
Poor sod. Full unit of 10 peltasts will kill ~17 orks on average.

>>50694509
he's in the dred mob update pdf, which is still available and valid

>>50694367
White Scars Librarius conclave

>>50694549
You know what else it's not

plastic sisters

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>>50694585

When will they learn

>>50694578

some people just have a problem with forge world.

I am fine with it, only way I can use GCs

>>50694506
>Thousand Sons are perfectly fine
>as long as you play against retards that build the most absolutely awful, nonsensical lists possible
Thanks for the input, champ.

>>50694492
Minimum size to unlock it for rubricae is 1500, and that just gets you a bunch of ML1 Psykers with no Familiars. Favor of Tzeentch is worthless for any reasonably sized game.

>>50694467
Thousand Sons decurion is a trap. The only way to even try to make Thousand Sons work is to ditch it and go for a CAD that heavily borrows from units that aren't even available in the Decurion.

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>>50694585
A shame, but i really think nuns with guns was a bit shit
Tbh i just want to see what GW do with AoS HE/DE so i build an army of them

Or Skeletons
Skeletons are cool

>>50694610
Poeple who have a problem with FW are completely retarded when D weapon infantry and gravspam are in the base game.

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>>50694561
Those you probably can shoot, from my experience they are impressively shooty but very frail. What's your army like, and other than the Secutarii what does he have, if you know?

I'm conspiring against other Admech now, but I guess it's in character for Xana II.

>>50694619
I'm with you man, I was hoping for a start collecting dark ales for AoS just as a jump off point to try it out some time.

>>50694611
>Thanks for the input, champ.

>I want to build WAAC while ignoring the optimized WAAC options

Thanks for being a retard, loser.

Melee-tau won't work either but you don't see taufags crying about that

>>50694635
It's wired that i like HE more than DE in Fantasy/AoS but in 40k it's the opposite DE > Corsairs > CWE
Shame that the current HE range is so limited

>>50694533
>>50694543
>>50694549
Did someone say AoS 40k?

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4wN-6BdRhC5UThhU255VE9WMzA

>>50694652
I don't want to build WAAC, I want to build casually in an environment where my opponents aren't completely retarded. Why is it so hard for your type to admit that GW is a pack of incompetent retards?

>>50694622
>impressively shooty but very frail
4+ save means half my shots'll bounce off, though i did make him shit himself when i outflanked 3 skorcha buggies.

besides secutarii he had a screen of those radioactive douchebags and their plie flinging crab-tank.

>>50694660
No, sod off.

I read your rules. Jesus christ they are more broken than current 40k. Have you put any thought into balance at all? This is why fanshits are shit.

Are the new sob any good?

>>50694695
no

>>50694695
i've only seen a couple pages and they seem identical

Shield of faith doesn't give +1 invuln, just 6++, yes? Because that'd be hilarious with Crusaders rocking reroll able 2++ in CC with priests in the Battle Conclave

>>50694622
Securitarii actually have rerolls to 1's and -1S to shooting attacks.

So if orks do 12 wounds via non-S6 shooting. normally that would kill 5 skitarii. Now it kills ~2,7. They are almost twice as tough as rangers/vanguard.

>>50694672
I'm telling you straight up I've played 1k sons without allies in a casual environment and loved it

building 1k sons casually IS building a retarded nonsensical list, you don't get to play a double-edged martyr in this facade my friend

>>50694578
Only from google.

Find it on the forgeworld website and I'll agree its valid, without using a google search.

>>50694714
>if you want to play Thousand Sons casually, you have to play with retards
Do you not see why people have an issue with this?

>>50694698
In some ways they are worse

>>50694672
>I want to build my list completely retarded but win against people who are competent

>>50694753
you don't need to tell me.

>>50694673
Was there a big Tech-priest guy, or is he pure Skitarii? Because of so, Eavy Armour is oddly enough your friend. The Peltasts, Vanguard and large blast pie-plate on the Dunecrawler are all AP5 or lower. Don't know a huge amount about Orks, bit some 12-boy squads with Eavy Armour in trukks is very difficult to deal with, since it's a large number of targets that are just slightly too tough to fire one squad of Vanguard at to kill. Don't bother with battlewagon and flyers, we have haywire out the ass and the Dunecrawler can rip those flyers down on the interceptor shot, probably.

Also long ranged AP4 S6+ blasts. Most dexes have something like that, is there anything you have that isn't hilariously overcosted?

>>50694710

I did not notice that one, probably because I always forget special rules and only have 10 Peltasts. Yeah, that will hurt.

>>50694410
>>50694456
It wouldn't be perfect but this is why Chaos Marines should get cheap deadicated transport Dreadclaws and Volkite weapons out the arse.

>>50694753
How so? Why would GW do that to an already bad Army?

>>50694506
Wait a minute, that's not even a Thousand Sons list. You got me, shitposter. Take your (You)'s and fuck off.

Are Eldar Bikes with Shuriken cannons just as cunty as Scatter?

>>50694773
>rubric marines are troops
>not 1000 sons

:^)

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>>50694040
no

>>50694745
yeah true, I can guess why you don't want to play with yourself

>>50694769
>Eavy Armour
That's a 4 point upgrade on a 6 point model.

There's cheap blast, strong blasts, large blasts and long range blasts, none that at are all.

>>50694783
Thousand Sons lists require everyone to take the Mark of Tzeentch. Good going though, took me a while to notice.

>>50693799
>random malifux
You know a Witchling Handler makes an A+ Inquisitor.

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Hey, could I get some feedback on my 1,000 point Word Bearers list? I don't really get why people have been complaining about them, they seem pretty great to me.

>>50694695
If anything the my are marginally better. Due to new Canonnes given a bubble of shooty to Exorcist. If the CAD they gave them is the one where ley loose objective secure.

Then yes then they would pass from decent/mediocre to utter shit

>>50694800
Damn, that's expensive. Ok, what you really mustn't kddo is provide either hordes, single small groups of 2+ or similar, or bit expensive armoured vehicles. The best thing to do is probably to drown him in shitty AV, since Skitarii mostly kills vehicles with Haywire, it makes no difference between AV10 and AV15. Lots of cheap buggies and trukks, Mek guns, maybe a looted Wagon or something. Nab some mid-strength blasts and you'll be OK. Can't say you're guaranteed to win, Skittles are quite good, but you should be in with a shot.

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>>50694859

>>50694859

Needs herald love, I would drop a unit of horros for a herald with grimoire.

Very Fluffy list anon :^)

Is the Guardian Battlehost any good? I was thinking of doing a non-wraithknight/guard army list

>>50694199
you can still play servitors with plasma cannons (for the same price) either within the formation with 3-9 acolytes or with the engineseer.

>>50694859
Take Fateweaver and LOC out and run them via the Oracle Formation

Remove a Pink Horror Blob for a Herald

Do you guys think these

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Varanguard-Knights-of-Ruin

are okay sized to be used as some custom CSM bikers?

>>50694772
So nobody objects when they get squatted in 8th?
Honestly if people don't see this as the end for sisters, I'm almost sorry for them.

>>50694919
i thought servitors are alone now

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>>50694927
Imo a bit too big for bikes
But cool looking

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>>50694901
free heavy weapons, warhost gives automatic 6" run. get something to blast vehicles/walkers and run amuck among infantry within 18"

>>50694927
>$100 for 3 dudes
crazy, why not get some mounted chaos warriors instead? cheaper and not as grossly over designed

when will gw learn to lower the prices of a powerfist for guardsman tier models? it would promote their sales too i'm pretty sure

>>50694969
I play in a very laid back setting, some I'm less concerned with being able to get saves less and more with them fitting on biker bases.

They are definitely a bit large though, and for me that adds to awesome factor.

>>50694997

Cause they look awesome to me because I never murdered my inner 14 year old.

>>50694952
Why would they squat a fan favorite army?

>>50694859
Name of the website?

>>50694952
Everything has been the end of SoB or totally confirme new codex and plastic since 3rd.

WD codex, digital, the Immolator incident, range removal, etc

SoB players actually don't give a fuck now. For some the joy comes when by sheer luck they table the Super Demi rape Tide war gladius of free shit by turn 4.

They just play and move along. Till they are officially killed or when they can actual assemble a plastic SoB.
All SoB rumors about dead and new are nothing. It be safe to asume that anyone that says otherwise is just shitposting.

Since 3rd SoB have been dealing with this rumours circus

>>50694952
>So nobody objects when they get squatted in 8th?
Like anybody would give a shit if they did it tomorrow. GW bootlickers will defend any action the company takes, and fuck the rest. They planned on them quitting and being replaced by the next Timmy.

>BALLBREAKER;
BALLBREAKER

Here's a new tidbit for the people that are still holding out hope for the plastic sister meme and the new codex meme.

All the rumored cross references to a "new" SoB codex are actually referring to the UPDATED pdf codex.

Sorry to break your balls, but they are actually removing Celestine from the online pdf; This is the update. This is the cross-reference. This is the new codex.

The "new codex" (read the old codex with removed units and clarification on some rules) for the next few years, is the very same pdf you've been stuck with all these years. But without Celestine.

>END BALLBUSTER.
END BALLBUSTER.

THEY HALVED THE ARMOR COSTS FOR ACOLYTES

>>50693161
>Want to buy some guardsmen stuff
>Seems like a horrible time to invest in guardsmen

Is it normal to feel this way

>>50693413

The rules are in Traitor Legions.

>>50694150

>Grey Knights in the same squad as a bunch of daemonhosts

That's heresy, son.

>>50694660

Is this the same ruleset you posted before, where template weapons have to roll to hit, one shot, d6 wounds? That's like the opposite of how they are supposed to work.

>>50694960
both, you can play them in the warband with 1 inquisitor (does not have to be in the unit) and 3-9 acolytes (you can also add the jokaero if you want)

or you play the mechanicus detatchment with one engineseer and 1 unit for servitors (which are alone then unless you add IC's to them)

>>50695089
I think that new box coming out that is a cadian team and a chimera is pretty swell, especially if it is at some discount.

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>>50695034
>fan favorite army
>favorite

>>50695012
what ever floats your boat anon, i just prefer the smaller chaos chosen on steeds. they're also about the size of a bike while the varanguard are about the size of juggernauts or thunderwolves. i think it'd fit better for a custom chaos lord then just a regular biker

>>50695034
>fan favorite army
Good one, anon!

>>50695135

now that is totally a good point, I should use those for my lord steeds and find something more reasonably sized for the bikes

>>50695140
Name one army with more universal apathy towards it.

Every other army in the game has haters, sisters don't.

Just bought eight Kalibrax Pattern Autocannons for my Word Bearers Havocs. Did I do good, /tg/?

>>50695034
>>50695044
Let's go through the evidence....
Updating a sub par list to the worse one in IA. Releasing a new figure that's more about Blanche than Sisters of Battle.
The fact GW said no plastic sisters and treats them like a joke.

They are just waiting till GW pull the plug in 8th with Primarchhammer

>>50695182
(you)

>>50695182
>Sisters don't
They're perhaps the second most hated army on /tg/. Tau are first, of course.

>>50694394
>>50694418

While I found that I'm regularly outperformed in the standard 1500 point games our store runs, my Orks have had a pretty decent run with the more casual 500 point games that people will occasionally play in the back of the shop.

I don't know if I've just been lucky or if games that small just aren't what people are focusing on when they talk about game balance, but it feels like the green guys are actually pretty efficient in games played at smaller point levels.

>>50695205

What about /tg/ hating Space Wolves and Eldar?

>>50695185
Why are you asking strangers for justification?

>>50695189
Again till they officially squat them. That means nothing. Same shit has happen before. The only difference is the social media jokes.

In case you forgot the SoB plastic rumors started on 3rd edition when every army was getting at least their basic troop choice in plastic.

>>50695219
Those are memes.

Eldar WAAC is more hated than SoB though.

>>50695185

Why are you asking strangers for justification?

>>50695182
Really?? I've been called a sexist, Misogynistic piece of shit.

People despise sisters. It's on every forum, even on TG.

Alita is going into damage control "No ETA"

So the supposed release in February is just smoke. It's bloody "AoS"

It's done you'll see come February.

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>>50695230
>>50695246

smurfs detected

>>50695205
/tg/ hates everything till it end circlejerking about or vice versa.

/tg/ hate or love for somethings means very little.

>>50695185

you mean deathguard?

>>50695265

>Really?? I've been called a sexist, Misogynistic piece of shit.

Stop associating with liberals.

>>50695232
You mean since 2002 yeah I remember. Tomb Kings aren't officially squatted as they still have rules. But they are dead.

Anyone have a good painting guide for Vior'la Tau? (the white/ red ones)

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Hang on a minute!

What use is a detachment consisting of a single Valkyrie? Units can't start the game in allied transports!

>>50695296

Just use a White Scars guide

>>50695303
an entire army of valkyries?

>>50694226
>if only they have decent guns to actually use this with.
Yeah it's not like she's part of an army that can literally spam more melta than anyone in the game, right? That would be pretty crazy with precision shots.

Oh wait.

>>50695287
Very few libertarians here buddy

>>50694860
Acts of faith now also last until the end of the turn (used to be phase) making battle sisters and repentia slightly more useful

>>50695295
Yep Tomb Kings and Age of Sigmar is another can of worm all together.

But yah same thing SoB are the undead of 40k still there but practilly dead. Some of the models are going to be legal in the entire world by next year for fuck sake.

The only reason why I think GW won't squat the shit out of them is due to IP. That is about it.

Is it the fanbase that makes Sisters so unpopular?

>>50695205
/tg/ doesn't hate the sisters army, it hates sisters-posting.

>>50695303
Easy allied anti-air option.

>>50695336
Good, libertarianism is fucking retarded.

>>50695357
Valkyrie doesnt really classify as good anti-anything.

>>50695355

Yes it was the shitposting first now its the failure to come with grips with the reality that plastic sisters aren't happening

>>50695336

if you are being called SJW buzz words unironically, you must be visiting other places than here.

>>50695377
I said easy, not good.

Are Emperor's Children good now? Is it time to go balls deep in Slaanesh?

>>50695356
This is probably true.
>>50695349
Huh? You do know 8th is like April right? More like 4-6 months at most.

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>>50695355
100%. The Sisters fanbase are the only ones that I hate more than Tau.


BROTHER-SERGEANT VERMILLION WILL BE AVENGED!

>>50695355
Yes.

The Faction itself is actually cool in concept. Many of the fans are literal walking cancer though.

What is the best way to troll my opponent?

I'm thinking things like deathmark snipers all deep striking and assassinating his new deep strike unit.

>>50695389
Well its so bad at its offensive role that I dont even count it as an option. The choice is there but even taking it doesnt really do anything.

>>50695355
sure it's the fan base when you have an expensive, all metal, hard to convert, hardly mentioned, barely given support, wasn't popular back in 3rd, hardly gets a codex update, last little forgeworld support, and is only known as the female army in a male dominated gaming environment.

so no, not really.

>>50695391

Slaanesh is getting killed off next year. He's already gone from AOS

>>50695386
The UK is very liberal / left leaning, it's hard to find people who aren't infected by SJW thinking

>>50695372
To each their own.

>>50695355
From a gameplay standpoint, they don't really offer anything not already included in astartes or astra militarum. Same from a theme standpoint, plus the inquisitorial factions edge in.

The models are old as dirt and ugly, so they don't have many actual players. Bondage nuns isn't super PC, either. Sisters are unpopular for a lot of reasons, and it's not all because they haven't ha a major update in ages.

>>50695403
Trolling is an art. It requires you to know what sets off your target. When you know what switches to flip, you can take aim on them and actually trigger them.

>>50695428

>they aren't popular because they aren't PC

what did he mean by this?

>>50695394
A hearty chuckle from me, anon.

>>50695423

My apologies, at least you guys are starting to wake.

So, I've seen a few people put Magnus in a daemon army as it's LoW.

Is... this really allowed? No matter wher eI look it seems pretty clear that he is a Chaos marine LoW only. Google gives me nothing on this, sadly.

>>50695418
They're already bringing him back in AoS and going all out again in 40k you retard. A lot of the bad decisions they made with AoS are being walked back now that new management is in charge (see: General's Handbook doing away with the "lolnopoints" and AoS subsequently exploding in popularity).

Nu-nu-GW is all about capitalizing on what made them successful way back in the first place and returning to form, bringing back ancient stuff like Genestealer Cults, Legion rules for Chaos again, etc.

>>50695444
I don't think it's a big factor, but it's a factor.

>>50695454
No it's not.

>>50695392
>8th on x month
When it finally arrives sure till then 8th is just a rumor that no one should care.

Getting hype, pre-order and speculating is something I do not fancy. Might be fun for others

>>50695436
What tools do artists most commonly use?

>>50695466

Making them "PC" won't even be the same army again. I saw one cuck on here asking to make them more like Halo marines. baka senpai

>>50695466
No one in 40k gives a shit about PC. Dark Eldar are literally drug-fuelled child-snuff-raping psychopaths who go into battle naked except for leather boots and razor blades, and they were pretty popular when they actually got a full plastic release in 5e, which has only declined since then because of terrible rules updates.

>>50695450
No were not people here only do what the sun ( a Murdoch owned newspaper ) tells them too. If he hadnt supported brexit we would still be in the EU

>>50695460
Oh you foolish foolish Anon.

>>50693297
Did they get any new formations ? Did the Inquisition get any ?

>>50695481
Again, it depends on the target. A medium like this requires careful measure. Emotional investing is important, and too much can remove that investing - things like a mixed save unit, where the opponent has to sit and watch you do your thing, are miserable, but also leave the opponent with apathy rather than rage. Give him the ability to feel like he's interacting, and has no good choices. Punish him for existing. If he likes competitive games, bring a list that looks like bullshit to put him on the back foot, and completely destroy him with it so he doesn't know what's going on. If he's like most of /tg/ and hates anything stronger than a down pillow, the same thing should work - both are based around destroying the core concept of 'this is weak, this is strong' that allows the opponent to understand the battlefield.

>>50694679
How are they unbalanced?

>>50695509
Yeah, but Dark Eldar models themselves are fairly benign (in terms of sexuality). Sisters are literally wearing power corsets and power heels, and have packs of naked nuns with chainsaws being herded around by a Mistress with a whip.

>>50695514
>hurrrr I will ignore all evidence that GW is no longer the same company and just call you foolish cuz muh GW is squatting everything meme

>>50695542
Nothing in the Sisters line, not even Repentias, are as risque as Wyches.

>>50695523
Yes they got the Formation to use their old Acolyte entry.

Enjoy Imperial Agents; the copy pasted and spread out codex for no reason!

Salt aside there could be some fun things in there but right now it just seems stupid retarded things making things formations for formations sake

>>50695543
Gw release a few things from 2nd ed/ a 3.5 Comdex and people forgive everything.

Okay.

>>50695514

Well then, is there no hope?

Why was a (((jew))) against globalism though.

>>50695418
>He's already gone from AOS
No? She's just imprisoned and being tortured by Malerion and the other Dark Elves.

>>50695084
2 for Carapace and 5 for Power?
Nice

>>50695418
In fairness, that's because age of sigmarines was meant to get the little-uns interested in the game. 40k remains as grimdark as it ever was.

>>50695096
It how they work in AoS so its how they work in my conversion to AoS

>>50695391
I bought the Limited edition of Fabius Bile: Primogenitor, and I already want to make an Emperor's children army. They're also good because of traitor legions giving them awesome DRUGS.

>>50695575
No need to go pol. Because the EU don't listen to him that's why. And prime ministers basically suck him off.

>>50695571

I mean codex

>>50695571
Plus discount bundles, plus they're interacting and talking with the community again, there's a very recent up-to-date FAQ that took into account input from the ITC guys, there's a community website, livestreamed events, behind the scenes developer interviews... AND they brought back a fucking 2nd edition Faction people have been asking for for ages AND the Legion rules for Chaos, again near the top of the fans wishlist.

What more do you need to understand that this isn't the same company it was under Kirby?

>>50695585
that should be the case

>>50695084
Is it still going to be 1 point for bolters? What's stopping me from having 7 point operator dudes with bolters?

What's the points cost of stormtroopers for reference?

>>50695586
Personally I would just kept fantasy and AoS

Is not like the fantasy setting didn't had games set on the past like Mordheim. So a game in the future wouldnt be so outrageous.

AoS is a result of GW not understanding their consumer. At least in my opinion, since i do not have anyt proof of that

>>50695581
>she
Slaanesh is the Dark Prince. It's a he.

>>50695558
Repentia are significantly more suggestive than Wyches. The amount of skin shown is less important than how it's shown. Sisters ooze sexual imagery. Dark Eldar don't.

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>>50695617

>GW still selling 5 plastic models for $60

That's a nice 'new' GW you got there...

>>50695303
Master of the Fleet chilling in style.

>>50695571
Don't worry, Anon, I haven't forgiven anything. My first loves, Thousand Sons and Tyranids, are both still incapable of fun games against anyone without brain damage.