/srg/ - Shadowrun General

>>50689889
And I fucked up linking the previous thread.

Fuck me.

>>50667656

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How would you stat something like this? I want to make a Nartaki Gun-Adept with the Spider as his mentor spirit who uses four of them.

>>50689898
Not only that, you fucked up the OP. You barely changed anything at all! Where are the new funny filenames?

You're demoted. I don't want you ever posting the OP again, we clear?

>>50689889
I'm a little insulted. I put actual effort into making that corporate SINner themed OP in the last one. Try a little harder next time.

Also, >>50689825
So yeah. Why are people still whining about not having Cutting Aces and False Flag when someone put it up on 7chan?

>>50689947
Too drunk for creativity. You want it done better, you do it yourself chummer.

>>50689935
Uh...only burst fire otherwise stat like one of the colt pistols. I'd have to check but they probably have a 1911 clone in there somewhere. As for using four, do you mean two of those monstrosities or literally using four of them? Because if you're actually using four at the same time.....I'm not sure.

>>50689974
Eh, I'll write up a themed one tomorrow and then someone can post it when this one eventually dies.

Any preferred theme? I've been on a fire mage kick recently. The pink mohawk variety.

>>50689999
C'mon man. It's eight barrels of fun! Thought an octopus might be more appropriate for that than a spider.

5e Returns Hong Kong rules in Chummer when?

>These are pack tactics for social wolves.
Catalyst is as up-to-date on their biology as ever, I see.

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What's your runner hoping to get from Santa for Christmas/Hanukkah/Kwanzaa/Winter Solstice Festival?

>>50690020
Well I've never messed with anything that had more than two hands so I have no clue how that would affect the use.

But yeah, as for actual stats? I'd go with the Colt Government 2066 or Browning Ultra-Power and then change their fire mode to burst fire, make it fire only two bullets for the burst, and then balance recoil and defense penalty as you feel appropriate.

>>50690109
A group to play.

>>50690020
>>50690164
Oh, and I almost forgot, double the ammo capacity.

>>50690109
An actual game instead of being fiddled around with in chummer forevermore.

>>50689840
>>50689578
Shush, don't point out my incompetency

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>>50689935
I'll take a different tack here. Going to say no burst fire because both bullets are fired on the same trajectory and are therefore no harder to dodge than a single bullet.

>Statted as Colt Gov 2066, +1 dv, double ammo consumption, cannot accept additional barrel mods

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what's your favorite type of face

>>50690260
Humans or Elves because I like being able to build competent characters with enough money to buy a ham and cheese sandwich.

>>50690260
>>50690281
I read that as race. I don't take back what I said though. And as far as I'm concerned there are only two types of faces: Pornomancers and not-faces.

>>50690208
Well I'd be willing to run one with you anon. It'd be on roll20 unless you know a better thing to use. Biggest issue is that I'm in college and I'm about to get a job. Not sure if I'll have the time.

>>50690260
The edgy assassin type. You know, the one that kills you and walks away without anyone knowing what they looked like.

>>50690260
Basically Joey's agent from Friends.

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>>50690260
Face/sam, a la Sally Shears.

Have you ever actually used a DocWagon Contract in a game? I'm having trouble justifying the price tag in character gen.

>>50690245
A'ight, all the books are now up, because I am not good at what I do.

>>50690260
The kind with First Impression and Bland - just another face in the crowd, but someone who is damned good at being social.

>>50690405
Yeah, and it saved the team's life. We got our shit pushed in by a corp-sponsored running team in neutral territory, and they left us to bleed out (we later found out they were paid to send a message, not kill us). We all had DocWagon contracts, and as a result, we all ended up in hospital and were back to our jobs within a month.

>>50690307
I just looked up a youtube video compilation about her and now she is my favorite too.

So, a ghoul rigger who uses drones to do almost everything in public so he doesn't accidentally infect someone who happens to have a paper cut. Yes or no?

>>50689935
>uses four of them.
Don't. For every extra weapon you use, your dicepool gets split. Use two guns, you split your dicepool in half, meaning you need 18 dice to have 9 dice for each gun. Three guns, you need 27 dice. To competently shoot 4 guns, you'd need 36 dice. I do not know how you would ever get 36 dice, and I do not wish to know either.

>>50690466
Sounds cool but cash intensive. Could also have all sorts of other difficulties.

>>50690466

you basically described the whole scenario right there. sounds boring?

>>50690466
A ghoul that's worried about that should get a dermal sheath to keep the infectious blood in, a clean metabolism to minimize sweat, and an internal air tank so they don't have to exhale in public. Reduces the risk of infecting others to practically zero.

Hey I wanna join a 5e campaign, I am planning on checking roll20 and runnerhub etc but am also asking if there's availabilities on here. Any takers?

>>50690588
I'd be willing but I'm >>50690299
Dunno if I'd have the time.

I could also run 4e.

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>>50690427
>A'ight, all the books are now up, because I am not good at what I do.

Thanks, Fish.

>>50690622
No worries, man.

>>50690555
>A ghoul that's worried about that should get a dermal sheath to keep the infectious blood in
FFBA with YNT Softweave and a medkit will do nicely without essence loss.

>>50690466
>so he doesn't accidentally infect someone who happens to have a paper cut
4e, this is the case. 5e, HMHVV3 is contagious on contact, no wounds.

>>50691255
Can't really wear that in polite company, though.

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>>50690109
A nice new technomancer sourcebook.

>>50690427
noice
Someone get it and tell me if GOD shows up knocking

>>50691304
You can. Reread FFBA.

>>50691571
Okay, let me rephrase. The parts of the ghoul's body most likely to infect others can't be blocked by body armour without visible gloves and a facemask, which a) draws attention and b) really detracts from, say, casually hanging out with your buddies.

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>>50691628
You're all thinking too hard. It's really quite simple.

Any advice for good insect spirit hijinks? One of my players took an allergy to bee stings and the words evil bee wizard are too funny to only use once.

>>50691628
Use the nano Armor with the Sealant-Mod.
Wear a Tuxedo, then you can wear fitting gloves.

There is a custom gas mask in Cutting Aces that has the appearance of an Elven Face, use that to cover your head.

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>>50691648
>It's really quite simple.

>>50690050
There are rules?

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>>50690109
> What's your runner hoping to get from Santa
Sexy elf babes.
Totally not as a way of copping with the fact that the girl he actually wants won't give him the time of day. No sir, not at all.

>>50691628
>The parts of the ghoul's body most likely to infect others
Standard shots go to centre mass.

>without visible gloves and a facemask
Gloves are acceptable. Respirators and other face coverings are common AF.

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>>50690109

A new fucking sword. Last one broke .

>>50690260
Samuel L. Jacksons character in The Negotiator.

>>50690427
I love you.

>>50691873
>that face
Of good, it's like I walked right into Innsmouth

Bi-yearly check in:

TMs still dumb to play? That TM book still not out?

>>50692174
Yes
No

>>50692174
There is provisional errata out there (in the official Forum in the errata section) that reduces Fading Drain by a huge amount.
If you are allowed to play with these rules, they might be pretty viable, albeit still lacking the additional stuff that is supposed to be covered in the TM-Splat.

>>50690109
An HK XM30. 'bout time too.

>>50692185
>>50692194
Well, alright. Thanks for the answers.

How useless are shaleshifters?
Really Bad?
Regeneration is ok but stay in humanoid form forever?
Kill all furries?
Or.... Viable

>>50692341
>shaleshifters

Shale is shit tier. You'd be better off with a brecciashifter or a sandstoneshifter.

>>50692341
Really bad, unless you want to go for some gimmicky build like Bear-Who-Walks-Through-Walls.

>>50692371
Shifting is sub-optimal, too. Shovelling is where it's at.

>>50692341
You have to ask yourself whether you want to play a shapeshifter more than you want to throw the absolute maximum number of dice possible. Shadowrun's a flexible enough system that you don't need to minmax to have fun unless your GM is shit.

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>>50692371
Well if you know what you can do with shale it's pretty good, but being a slave in the mines of the Lotus is pretty shitty

Does firing a vehicle mounted gun as a rigger that's jumped into the vehicle count as remote operation?

>>50692469
Yes.

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>Mr. Johnson hires you to deliver toys to an orphanage in the barrens
>gangers will probably try to steal them, so be ready to gun them down
>toys must be delivered by one of you coming down the chimney dressed as Santa Claus
>the ideal candidate for the hand-off will be sneaky, actually have St. Nick's physique, not be averse to eating milk and cookies and not have a habit of spouting profanity all the time
So, which member of your party is putting on the red suit?

>>50692795
The ogre from the black forest troll republic, though he might modify the chimney to fit his physique

>>50692795
It'll default to the human gunslinger.

Our shaman-cum-face would be ideal mannerism-wise, but she's an elf lady so it won't fly. The ork sam is a bit too crude and a bit too cybered up to play the part convincingly (and he'd probably get stuck trying to go in through the chimney). And the technomancer is a teenager, which won't do either.

What's the best, most effective way to make a character who can completely and totally change their own appearance? Something that doesn't requires sustaining a spell, ideally - something that'll keep working even if you temporarily lose consciousness.

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>>50692795
I presume the Toys are filled with PepperPunch dispensers and a K10 Injector in the biggest one?

Probably the Cyborg-Sam

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>>50691807
There are rules.

>>50690480
>Don't. For every extra weapon you use, your dicepool gets split. Use two guns, you split your dicepool in half, meaning you need 18 dice to have 9 dice for each gun. Three guns, you need 27 dice. To competently shoot 4 guns, you'd need 36 dice. I do not know how you would ever get 36 dice, and I do not wish to know either.
Well, let's examine that.

Exceptional Attribute (Agility) and the genemod for more Agility for an unaugmented maximum of 8 Agility, and an augmented maximum of 12.

The appropriate quality to start at Pistols 7, plus a Reflex Recorder for 8, and a Specialty for a +10 from the skills side of the equation.

+2 from an implanted Smartlink.

And then +6 from Improved Ability (Pistols), the adept power, because you can't have more than Magic levels in a power, even if the power's theoretical maximum is (Ranks in skills * 1.5 rounded up).

So, out of chargen, that's 30 dice for shooting pistols. After that, in-play, you can spend karma initiating and buying up additional skill ranks to further progress on up to 36, though it would be prohibitively expensive.

The hypothetical maximum, with 13 skill ranks and 20 levels of Improved Ability, is 50 dice, but that would require Magic 20 and a literally-best-ever skill rating.

>>50689935
I'm going to add further dissent. Flechettes are regularly used to represent things like buckshot. That's a flechette pistol. Check the Remington Roomsweeper.

>>50690466
I'd play the shit out of that. Get me some of that Ghoul Reaction, yes please.

>>50692341
Shapeshifters don't get Regeneration anymore in 5e without a GM willing to houserule it back in.

Personally, I like well-played shapeshifters when the player's looking to embrace, rather than ignore, the fact that they're literally an animal, and also don't turn it into a sex thing.

Admittedly, that might not leave a very wide range of overlap.

>>50692469
>Does firing a vehicle mounted gun as a rigger that's jumped into the vehicle count as remote operation?
There's no official ruling on the matter, and the rules as written contradict themselves extensively.

The community consensus is that it does count as Remote Operation, and does use Logic rather than Agility, but this is a consensus by the game's players, not based on some Word of God telling us how it's intended to work.

>>50692795
My troll physical infiltrator/contortionist will finally have his moment to shine!

>>50692864
Whole bunch of cyberware.

Wait, Ghouls have the Reduced Senses critter weakness (from Core Rulebook, page 401), not the Blind Negative Quality (Run Faster, page 153). That means they actually can just get cybereyes to restore their vision - they don't have a Quality to buy off. That's a gamechanger for me.

>>50693154
remember that because of regeneration cyber can get rejected. Have to get betaware of higher I think

>>50693154
They finally errata'ed that?

>>50693177
Rejection only happen to augs already present in the body at the moment of transformation. Any cyberware gotten after that suffer no rejection (unless the Infected has the Regeneration power).

>>50693177
>remember that because of regeneration cyber can get rejected. Have to get betaware of higher I think
Ghouls don't start with Regeneration - you can elect not to purchase it.

>>50693184
>They finally errata'ed that?
Nope, it's the actual rules as written.

>Gained Weaknesses: Allergy (Sunlight, Moderate), Dietary Requirement (Metahuman Flesh), Reduced Senses (Blind), –1 Logic, –1 Charisma

That's Reduced Senses from the Critter chapter of Core, not the Blind Quality from elsewhere in the book.

>>50692993
>Shapeshifters don't get Regeneration anymore in 5e without a GM willing to houserule it back in.
Errata'd, mate.

>>50693177
>>50693201
>>50693211
I'm pretty sure that Regeneration isn't even available to Ghouls. They're not one of the Infected types with access to Optional Powers.

>>50693154
>That means they actually can just get cybereyes to restore their vision - they don't have a Quality to buy off.
This has always been the case.

>>50693229
>This has always been the case.
Yes, clearly, it's right there in the rules. It's just that every time I've seen it brought up before, people have said you'd have to buy their blindness off because of Blind Quality-style nerve damage making visually input incompatible, or something.

>>50693249
Commandment number one: Do not trust anything /srg/ says blindly.

>>50692927
You could also be an elf for two extra max points of agility, and take SURGE for metagenetic improvement (Agility) for an aug max of 15.

>>50693347
This was in the context of playing a Nartarki, so I took elf/SURGE off the table.

>>50693249
Normally you would have to buy the quality off since any time a negative quality no longer gives you the negative effect you need to pay the karma cost.
IE: if the street sam goes on a rampage and kills everyone he owes money to to remove his in debt quality, he still needs to pay karma to get rid of it (or take negatives of an equal value)
The issue with ghouls is that Reduced Senses doesn't have a karma value, and doesn't even work the way they use it for ghouls (it just reduces perception dice, not makes you blind) so it's a pretty gray area.

>>50693397
It's not a quality and, unlike the Blind quality, in no way requires you to buy it off to have functional cybereyes. There's no gray area.

You're also wrong about Reduced Senses not working the way they use it for ghouls:
>Typically, reduced senses function at half the normal range or effectiveness, but they might be reduced even further, possibly to the point of the complete loss of that sense.
>possibly to the point of the complete loss of that sense

There's even a critter in the core book with Reduced Senses (Blind) just like ghouls.

So, basically what I'm saying is that Reduced Senses does work that way, it was never a quality, ghouls don't need to buy the non-Quality off, and so your point about how buying off qualities work is irrelevant.

>>50692795
I don't think anyone in my party would be ideal, we have jean-paul the FLQ sniper, an über driver, SS-Untersturmbannfuhrer Baron Von Poopenchest the Schutzschtaffel themed street samurai, and Pepsiman the water (Pepsi) shaman.
The uber driver can pull off the attitude because he's our face but the physique would be a problem.

Wouldnt the things that make a good santa anywhere else and what makes good santa in the barrens be completely different?
"So Timmy were you good this year?
Yes Santa! Yesterday some go gangers were trying to put some shit on mother Martha but me and Richter managed to scare their sorry asses off
Good, good. You know what I have just the thing for you! Brand new Ingram X, 500 EX bullets and glasses with smartlink to go!"

>>50693671
pull some shit*
damm it thats some whole different story there

>>50693671
>Brand new Ingram X, 500 EX bullets and glasses with smartlink to go!
>not giving them tutorsofts for skills that would grant them gainful, legal employment
>not arming them against their real enemy: the vicious cycle of poverty
Shit chummer, at least get them some tutorsofts to teach them to shoot their own damn guns so they don't shoot their own dicks off the first time they use them.

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>>50692864
False Face cyberware is literally that.

>>50690109
Explosives.

Are there trap options in 5e, like Monks in D&D?

>>50695784
Technomancers kinda are.

Hey guys, I am lost

I'm going to be gming 5th edition soon, and I cannot wrap my head around the setting. The book is all over the place with this game and I just can't make sense of it. I have the basics down, like that mega corps are the big boys and most of America was given back to natives, but I plan on running a game in San Francisco and I'm just stumped.

How would a player go about starting a gun cult?
He's already going to worship the gun god either way, but it would be great if he could get some other cultists together to enjoy services.

>>50694469
if you wanna be boring corp slave sure.But dont you wanna be dope ass shadowrunner when you grow up kiddo?
Also if you dont know how to shoot already you are dead kiddo.

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>>50695994
Read Sixth World Almanac for general setting stuff, and California Free State fro 3e(?) for specific info on SanFran. The latter book is out to date, but only so far as Saito is out and the city is now controlled less obviously by MCT.

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>>50695836
Ambidextrous characters too, probably.

>>50696090
You might be right chummer, but let's be honest with ourselves here: what are the odds that any of these kids will make it big if they go into shadowrunning instead ending up just another punk who got made into swiss cheese by a corp security guard with a HMG? I mean, if you're going to push kids towards shadowrunning at least have the decency to push them towards the areas of the shadows with lower body counts, like decking and rigging.

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>>50696961
Are you going to give them hundreds of thousands of nuyen to be competitive in those areas, between equipment, cyberware, and specialized training? Or are you going to give little Johnny an MCT Hornet and wait until he fries his brain on psychotropic ICE trying to hack into the local Stuffer Shack?

At least being a gunman is straightforward.

>>50696049
just do like
>>50693671
does.
Give kids guns, and invite them over to learn the fine art of gunmanship.

Before long, they'll be singing the praises of the gun god and reloading with holy furvor.

/srg/


what if I made a Troll with 11/10 BOD through exceptional attribute?

what sort of other stuff should I give him? cyber/bioware?

I want him to be able to do Troll stuff like run headfirst into turret fire and rip peoples arms off then beat them with them

>>50691873
Eyes like one of those baseball-head chihuahuas.

Can driving adepts beat a rigger if both were made only for driving?

>>50697153
when it comes to soaking there is nothing better than cyberware.
Cut off all of his limbs, slap replacements on them with rating 2 armour each and an extra physical box, grab armour, a helmet, a riot shield, bone lacing (if you GM lets it stack) and you've already got 39 soak dice with 11 BOD, 45 if he allows bone lacing to stack. And as a bonus you have 18 physical boxes, grab a pain editor and nothing will ever be able to put you down.

>>50689889
Why is the display for #9 behind them

>>50697336
beautiful

thank you

Since Aztlan has claimed San Diego, has Tijuana become much less popular because it is no longer a border town?

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High-Fashion Armored Clothing seems incredibly eat to cheese, but I can't imagine runners being taken seriously while wearing it unless they had the social skills to back up it up.

>>50697709
It works if your whole crew wears them.
Then you're like the fucking yakuza

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>>50697709
I've seen coworkers destined to rot in the lowest tiers of management wear some pretty swanky threads with no social skills to back them up and still get taken seriously. Sometimes it's not about how well you pulled it off, it's that you had the courtesy to make an attempt when it was appropriate. To someone raised, educated, and who's lived their whole life in a system where these formalities are expected, that might be all it takes to get them on your side.

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>>50697709

>>50690254
>FN
>french
I'm a frog, but that's still bullshit of the highest order.

>>50697709
Depends. Crumpled, ill-fitting clothes? Certainly.
Tailormade armored tuxedos? You'll be seen as traitors, professionals, or smartasses subverting codes, but nobody will take you lightly. Everyone respects subtle and utilitarian bling.

>>50697336
If you make those limbs used, which as a troll you may want to do to maximise the the customized attributes (otherwise you go over 12 avail.) you can get the armour rating per limb to 3 as all parts in it have to be used and have lower costs/avail.

>>50698830
Belgum is basically france if france was even more terrible than it already is, no?

>>50692795
Ironically? The one who hits the most keys are our paraplegic rigger who'll likely have to build himself a leg rig rather than hopping around on his spider-chair as he usually likes to do.

>>50699560
Just tell the kids that santa was crippled in a sleigh accident back in 2065.

My only Shadowrun experience is from the Harebrained Schemes games, which I loved.

How different the tabletop mechanics are? Are turn actions are AP-based? Are abilities (Body, quickness etc.) the same? Do we have etiquettes?

>>50699698
The two systems are not the same at all.

Attributes and skills are disconnected, you can have a higher skill than an attribute, they just get combined

AP is not the exact same thing, but it's close. You have initiative passes. Every turn you get as many 'acts' as you have initiative passes. First you go through everyone's first initiative pass, then everyone's second if they have one, and so on until everyone has used up all their initiatve passes.

Imagine if everybody on the field in the vidyagames got 1 action each in turn, and then their AP didn't refresh until all AP on the field was used up. That's a good way to think of it.

The videogames really abstracted and simplified a whole bunch of stuff.

>>50699846
A relatively simple, yet completely satisfying answer. Thanks man. I figured the game is simplified, as it makes you control an entire party instead of a single character

>they just get combined
Like White Wolf's thing?

>>50699911
almost exactly. They use numerals rather than dots, and sometimes you can have other things thrown in, but that's effectively how it works.

WW isn't a bad way to think about shadowrun's system in a pure mechanical/conflict resolution basis, but it's far less formalize.

>>50699935
>>50699846
>>50699698
>>50699911
you also don't have the chance to throw a chunk of d6s the size of your head in any game except shadowrun.

>>50699698
Highly different, it's all about big dice pools vs other dice pools.

Not particularly, but the initiative system is a lot more AP like than something like DND, allowing for fast characters to take more actions per round than slow ones. Each initiative pass subtracts 10 initiative so someone rolling a 25 will get 3 initiative passes in one round while someone rolling an 8 will only go once.

Abilities are relatively similar. I think the Harebrained Schemes games use the attributes or derived attributes more similar to the first 3 editions, but a lot of the attributes are the same or close. There's Body (basically your CON score), Strength, Agility (covers Quickness stuff), Reaction (Rigger stuff and initiative), Intuition (perception, initiative, and a few other things), Logic (hacking, brain stuff), Charisma (talking), and Willpower. Also Edge, the fate point or hero point or whatever equivalent for re-rolls, bonuses, and luck.

The skill "Etiquette" covers a lot of similar situations as the Ettiquetes in the video games do about blending in and getting along socially. You can specialized in it for a +2 dice bonus to Gangs/Corpers/Runners/Etc.

>>50699948
remember that one time you were dunk and brought 30 six sided dices from amazon? Yeah they have use now! You would also need to get another 30.....

>>50700104
My friend bought like 60 differently covered Monster dice for Shadowrun. Downside is that they are wildly light and kinda bad rollers, probably because of an air pocket.

Transparent dice > Opaque dice

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This should be added to the must-have list for every runner.

>>50695784
Yes.

>>50700255
well at least one per group. Having one per runner is excessive.

>>50700255
>18,000 nuyen
How do I afford this between whores, whiskey, bullets, and rent?

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>>50700670
> E) Resources

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>>50700670
>not going all the way in debt because you bought every piece of fashion made in the last 30 years and several microweave spiders to maintain them
>not having several pieces of the same armor to make sure you always have a top that matches the pistol and commlink you're wearing tonight
>not convincing your gm to let you take fashion as an addiction

normies get out

>>50700868
that's actually an addiction as I recall in 4th Ed, shopping addiction, specific to clothing and fashion accessories.

>>50697709
Fuck over? Or just fuck? That bulge makes me wonder...

>>50701602
>not fucking your Johnson for a sizeable bonus package
It's like you don't even get how to whore yourself out to your corporate masters.

>>50701602
Holy shit. That's not even a little bit ambiguous. Mrs Johnson is packing a monster dong.

>>50701675
"Mrs"? Read the filename.

>>50701689
I think the "Mr." part is just pro forma.

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Holy fuck, chummers! Is Cutting Aces the book for faces? Everyone in that cover is stylin'

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Since the new face splat is out, I got a question for you /srg/

Anyone have tips on good face builds. All of them, Face adept, Cyber Face, Face-Sam ?

What are your favorite qualities, powers or ware to take ? Any specific skillset you like to use ?

>>50701835
Faces and Infiltrators can both get some good out of it, omae

>>50701669
>sizeable bonus package

>>50701968
Tailored Pheromones, Commanding Voice, First Impressions, and a high-fashion suit. Those are the ingredients to a character who can treat being a face as a primary, rather than secondary, role. A shaman can do the bare bones work of negotiations and lying past security, but with the toolkit I listed above you can be vital at any stage of a run, even combat.

>>50702078
Would you accept your Johnson's sizable bonus package?

>>50702139
With gusto.

okay, reading through all the 4e books one after the other, and mother fuck, just got to Attitude.

DocWagon's pitch is convincing as hell, I'm stealing this one for the next time somebody in my group wants to go 'I want to be trained as a runner' which happens depressingly often in my groups for some reason, especially the new guys.

>>50694525
Right, but can I go even further?

>>50701805
I assumed it was transphobia desu.
>>50702139
Does it come with an actual nuyen bonus?

>>50691807
I'm using the newest nightly build of chummer5 and every time I try to print a character that I made using an older version of chummer it crashes.

>>50691807
>>50702744
Also for 4/5 characters, when I check their validity chummer5 crashes. I don't know what the 4 have in common that the 5th doesn't.

>>50702258
Use it as a starting scenario. Bunch of wannabe runners get a call from their fixer, get tossed together and sent on the exact same mission as a group. Have each individual take care of a different objective. Maybe mix in the classic Food Fight scenario during the trip to set up a hook for the next session. Plus it lets the players get a little experience with combat. If you did mix in Food Fight I'd make it piss easy so they would come to pretty minimal, if any, injury. Just to drive home the point when you wrap up. I'd probably put in a line about how the mooks they "killed" were DocWagon actors or some shit too.

>>50691807
>>50702744
>>50702840
Oh and one last thing- I tried rebuilding a character that was crashing and it was when I put any kind of knowledge in that it crashed on printing.

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>>50691807
>>50702744
>>50702840
>>50703202
But wait! There's MORE!

Putting in any knowledges or specializations for active skills makes chummer5 crash on print. Still crashed when checking validity.
Saving the character without knowledges or active skill specializations made it so it only crashes when printing with a knowledge.

Anyone know where yekka wants us to put all this so I can stop spamming the thread with it?

>>50703321
Make a report on GitHub over here https://github.com/chummer5a/chummer5a/issues.

Remember to attach some of the files for examination.

>>50702744
>>50702840
Fixed in the latest nightly.

>>50691264
>5e, HMHVV3 is contagious on contact, no wounds.
>Vector: Injection
False.

>>50695836
Really depends on how you build them. Its possible to to build decent ones. With the new fading reductions its a little easier.

>>50703879
Wrong.

>HMHVV3: It is most typically spread by scratches or bites from those creatures, or unprotected contact with their bodily fluids.

>HMHVV2: Typically spread by scratch or bite, the virus can also be spread by unprotected contact of Infected bodily fluids and an open wound.

>>50704001
>HMHVV3: It is most typically spread by scratches or bites from those creatures, or unprotected contact with their bodily fluids.
Are you talking about contact with the body fluids? That's talking shit like getting blood/jism into a mucus membrane - like how HIV is spread - not having it just touch your skin.

And it straight up says in the writeup that it's an 'injection' vector. It just splashing on you flatly isn't enough.

>>50704024
>Are you talking about contact with the body fluids?
I wasn't talking about anything. I was directly quoting.

Contrast the difference in wording between 2 & 3.

3 can be passed through unprotected contact. Not just snorting it up your nose or swallowing. Not just unprotected contact with an open wound. Not just unprotected sex. Any unprotected contact with bodily fluids.

HMHVV3 is contagious AF, and has only become more so since the early 2070s.

>>50704271
Your interpretation is nonsense based on a tenuous and intentional misreading of a fluff sentence.

It's Injection Vector, not Contact.

Effort above and beyond merely touching infected blood is required to spread it.

>>50704394
Your dismissal is nonsense, and based on a rigid and inflexible reading of RAW in the face of direct description. Reminds me of the BS arguments that happened around 4e HMHVV.

>>50702589
yes, you can get a color changing skin with a illegal upgrade, a voice modulator to change the tone of your voice, fibre optic hair that changes colour, there's a nano-hive that can change your fingerprints and a upgrade to your cyber-eyes that mimics retinal patterns. You can go full cyber chameleon, although it's worth noting much of this gear thoroughly illegal.

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>>50704557
>fibre optic hair that changes colour
That's not a disguise option, chummer. Fiber optic hair is literally glowing strands of fiber optics, not electro-chromatic color-changing hair.

>>50704573
yeah that's a different thing entirely, biomod I think..

>>50703517
Checking character validity still makes it crash unless I delete all of the character's knowledge skills.

I guess I'll make an account on github just to bitch and whine. Thank you for continuously working on it though.

>>50704735
Can't replicate the validity crash, I'd need to see the file.

>>50704573
>This wig can change color, curl or straighten, lengthen or shorten, and shift to a number of preprogrammed hairstyles on command. The wig can transform to any of four styles as a standard action. For an extra 100 nuyen the wig comes with a built-in trode net. Wireless bonus: The wig can transform to any style which can be downloaded from any of several Matrix databases offering basic styles for free and styles worn by famous people offered at premium prices. You can also design your own styles with a Software +Logic [Mental] Test and use them yourself or post them online.
There's your Smart Wig.

>The user’s original scalp hair (or facial hair) is removed and replaced with artifcial hair composed of fberoptic cabling. This hair is not only available in every imaginable color but is programmable, allowing for patterns, designs, or scrolling effects that nature could never manage. From sparkling stars in a nightscape of black to an explosion of neon colors to a scrolling advert for your favorite hair salon, the only real limit is one’s imagination. Cost is based on length (per ten centimeters, to a maximum of 1 meter in length). Wireless Bonus: The user may download new color patterns and install them as a Simple Action
There's your slightly more obvious, but still viable as not all styles and patterns involve glowing (otherwise you couldn't really do night with stars), fibre optic hair.

>>50704758
Interesting. I "saved as" with a different name and that one works fine, the old one that had never been saved with the new version of chummer5 still makes it crash.

Want that one so you can check it out? If so, where do you want me to upload it?

>>50704820
https://catbox.moe will be fine.

>>50704798
Dude, it's literally strands of fiber optics. Of course all of the options involve glowing. When fiber optics don't glow, they're just strands of transparent glass.

>>50704838
https://files.catbox.moe/yf0qkt.chum5

Here ya go. I got three more that were saved under the old version if you need 'em.

>>50704846
>From sparkling stars in a nightscape of black to an explosion of neon colors
Ok, dude. Fine. It glows black, just for you.

>>50692917
The only gameplay things I'm seeing are the cyberterminals and cyberdecks, which are already present under Hong Kong Sourcebook.
>>50704891
Actual issue is fixed as part of 5.188.75, but I've fixed your character's file as well. https://files.catbox.moe/daapjy.chum5

>>50705000
Oh come on you didnt have to do that for me. I do appreciate it though. It crashed for me anyway. I must have Gremlins or something.

>>50705079
That would be because I'm an idiot and didn't fix it properly. Sorry, the fix overrides the problem so I didn't notice.
https://files.catbox.moe/63w9eq.chum5

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>>50689889
"Supject"

Christ.

>>50705137
Still happened. Is this one of those many symptoms hiding the disease kind of things?

What should I do with 30,000 nuyen? I already bought a docwagon contract and more grenades than I could ever possibly use.

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>>50704974
>It glows black
Yes, just like a computer screen displaying a solid black image. Things can glow and still have a full range of rich colors.

But the point remains that fiber optic hair is, again, strands of fiber optics. Like, it's right there in the name, the description - everything. When they're not glowing, they're just blank, transparent strands.

>>50705137
Also I hope you're doing this 'cause you want to find the root of the problem not for this dumb character that can just be remade in the new version.

>>50705272
Buy a few months of your Lifestyle.

>>50705277
Chummer, it's shadowrun psuedo-science, I'm sure it can handle realistic colours, since they would fit within the spectrum of every colour imaginable.

>>50705277
Come on, dude. You're really pushing the 2010s tech angle hard here, and we're talking about 1980+95 years along. What you're throwing around is crude in comparison with the dynamic polarisation of the 2070s, just to pick one example of relevant tech.

>Polarized sunglasses have been around for quite some time, as well as dielectric polarization of glass. Dynamic lenses now have been designed to change the orientation of the polarization.
>What this means is that with theses glasses, you can match the orientation of, say, a one-way mirror and be able to see though it or make visible communication more secure with a constantly changing orientation.
>Nightclubs can now offer exclusive access to city views normally limited due to glitterati activity, or the glasses can help provide secure laser communication between bouncer and clubber.
>Rumors have it that Dante’s is having a few floors renovated to include polarized lighting, making it mostly dark to all but their most valued clientele.

>>50705259
Not exactly. The problem is that we expect all gear items to have a Capacity value, which shows how much capacity they either have or consume. Due to the way we save/load values that might not exist, the capacity node wasn't being saved in the file, which made it null on load. Capacity method doesn't know how to handle null values, so it breaks.

So what I didn't realise is that you actually have multiple commlinks in the character file. Whups. If you want to easyfix it yourself, find the gear nodes that don't have a <capacity> or <capacity /> node and add the <capacity /> in. Looks like it's just commlinks. Otherwise, grab the new nightly and load it.

>>50705609
Excellent work. Now I have an unrelated thing to send your way:

Going over to weapons and typing "def" into the search bar gives me 5 results all called "Chummer.ListItem"

Never a dull moment eh, chummer?

>>50705699
Gah, that again? I thought we'd fixed that. tl;dr the first weapon in that list is the Defiance Shocker (Melee Contacts) which is a hidden weapon. Since it's hidden, we generally ignore some of the rules that we define for weapons, and it doesn't have a cost. It can't create the weapon without a a cost so it kind of crashes, but not quite because of the way the treenodes work. Anyway, easyfix. I know what the problem will be.

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Two questions. One, how do I get a flaming sword? Magic is preferable, but not necessary. Second, are any of the methods worth it?

>>50705792
elemental weapon adept power. it doesnt do a whole lot, but it doesnt cost a ton either

I'm the person who made this thread. I promised (here >>50689999) to make a themed one. Mage theme incoming.


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If, by some chance, I'm awake when we make the new thread I will use this as the OP.

I got 21 karma, what should I spend it on? My character is a vampire adept if that helps.

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>>50705272
Get a tricked out Mirage.

So I'm about to start GM'ing 5e. Where should I start with campaigns? What supplements should I get, in order of importance?

I did a bit of 4e but I never got my group past the Artifacts cycle. I can see some major changes already from reading the 5e book, but does anyone have a conversion from 4e to 5e? They seem to be very similar.

>>50706641
While I can't speak for 5e, it depends quite a bit on your skills and so on. I, and most likely the other posters here, would need more information.

>>50706641
Oh, and more info if it'll help. I'm playing a dual wield adept (yes, I know it's suboptimal) who uses pistols.
>>50706650
I already did.

yo guys was reading through TVtropes and there's apparently a player made source book just on montana or something, specifically one of the US states, all derived from the tidbits written in 4e and back about the place.

Anybody got it or know where to find it?

>>50706720
I'd say upgrade (assuming 5e) Firearms/(specific group you use for duel wield) or Agility.

If you want better advice we need to know
>System (as in 4e, 5e, etc)
>Exact attributes and their current values
>Exact skills and their current values
>supplements accepted (as in, if you are a mage can you use stuff from Street Magic)
>any other effects (IE: Qualities and so on)
>House rules, no matter how "stupid" or "silly" you think they are

Since you are an adept, we'll also need to know how many PP you have to spend on shit. IIRC, for 4e at least, you can get a temporary boost to your agility or one skill. Alternatively, you could get a permanent boost. Which helped to offset the "no/minimal 'ware" part of using magic.

>>50706983
>>System (as in 4e, 5e, etc)
5e
>Firearms
Already at 6+improved ability
>Agi
Already at 6
>skills
I've got 6 in pistols + 4 from improved ability + 2 from specialization. That's basically the only skill that actually matters to my build. Everything else got blown on stupid bullshit like driving. (apparently having 10 reaction means that even a single point makes you a passable rigger)
>Qualities
Ambidextrous.Also vampire and adept obviously. Negative ones are allergy (garlic, severe) and distinctive style

>>50706983
>>50707029
>how many PP you have to spend on shit.
Oh, forgot this.
I have .25 left. So yeah, not buying anything useful with that.

Oi, chummers, is the 4th ed Safehouses supplement usable under 5th ed or is there a more recent and up to date equivalent? Also, what's the 5th ed version of the runners companion?

>>50690599
I'm not anyone you responded to, but I've been nominated to run Shadowrun for some friends and have close to no idea what I'm doing with the system. I've read through the 5e corebook and the Food Fight quick start module, but beyond that I'd really like to get my hands on an actual scenario before I can say that I'm confident GMing it.

Even if you've only got the time to run a one-shot, I'd be up to play. Hell, I might even prefer a one-shot.

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>>50707029
Can you trim down your gear and then lower Resources further?

>>50707029
>>50707040
>>50706641
And I forgot the most important part of course. i'm using karmagen.
>>50707144
Yeah, I can trim down my resources quite a bit. I don't think I will ever need as much ammo as I bought.

Side question: What do you guys think a face should do on his spare time? As in, at some point, you're gonna have some spare Karma you'll want to spend in something other than looking good in a suit, so what do you make them? I like the good old "Private Investigator" archetype but then again the dashing street shaman is another good overlap. Any other concepts you'd wanna share?

>>50707158
Are you Resources C or D?
If C, you may be able to hit D and still live comfortably, picking up the odds and ends as you play. Dropping from D to E is pretty rough though.

>>50707188
You did notice the bit where I said karmagen, right? Anyway, I got 54 karma in nuyen but I could easily decrease that by getting rid of grenades and getting a shittier bike.

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>>50707225
>You did notice the bit where I said karmagen, right?
Hah, I certainly didn't.

>>50707086
Safe Houses isn't a 5e supplement, but most of the contents made it into Hard Targets.

>>50707086
>what's the 5th ed version of the runners companion?
Run Faster.

>>50707272
>>50707277
Many thanks chummers

>>50707121
I'm going to be running a oneshot for my usual ttrpg group soon too, and I know a lot of runnerhub gms record and upload or stream their games, or if you want to be there live, you could message one with a game scheduled when your available to ask if you could sit in

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>>50705272
>Fly-Spys with your favorite sensors, autosofts
>Fairlight Caliban modded to your preference
>Additional fake SINs and licenses
>Capsule rounds, DMSO, many drugs and toxins
>Bug scanner, tag eraser, stealth tags
>Rating 6 jammer

>>50707381
>>Fly-Spys with your favorite sensors, autosofts
I will dress them up as bats. This is a good idea.
>>Fairlight Caliban modded to your preference
Joke's on you, I already have one.
>>Additional fake SINs and licenses
Aww shit I knew I was forgetting something

>>50707318
Thanks for the tip chummer. If you're offering, I'd definitely be up to sit in on you one-shot, but even if not I'll check out the stuff on runnerhub.

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>>50707414
>bats

>>50707166
Quite frankly, the Face's down is all too often spent maintaining his contacts and buying or selling stuff that needs to be obtained or get rid off.

This being said, I'm partial to the 'Face-with-a-smattering-of Sammy' build, i.e. a Face but with a maxxed-out cyberarm, some Initative Boost and crowd control options like flash-bangs or gas grenades. His primary approach is still to sweet-talk the group's way through, but he can hold his own in a fight as well.

>>50707444
Hah, I would but none of us have played

>>50707166
I've always liked the face as a musician. I recently started making a character who was a heavy metal lead singer/guitarist, but he's ended up becoming more of a combat character than a social character.

Which heavy pistol is your favorite and why is it the Ares Predator V?

>>50707561
It's the best pistol for ironically shooting Ares shills.

New player here. I'm going to be the rigger of a random group. Any advices?

>>50707581
one combat drone, rest of your drones should be spotters, scouts, and various other utilities, and have a really nice get away vehicle.

>>50707561
It shatters into really dramatic pieces when you shoot it out of someone's hand with your Savalette Guardian.
>>50707581
If you want to use drones in combat, either have one really badass drone with 12-15ish armor, or have a bunch of cheap ass rotodrones armed with assault rifles.

>>50689935
45.
twin-linked

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>>50705530
>>50705562
The fuck? I'm not saying that color-changing hair is impossible. I'm saying that Fiber Optic Hair is not the item that does it. Fiber Optic Hair is strands of literal fiber optics replacing your hair.

If you want realistic-looking color-changing hair, you want a Smart Wig or the equivalent.

Hair which can be used as a disguise accessory exists - but fiber optic hair isn't that.

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I need an opinion from you guys; there are a couple of complaints kicking around at the moment that it's easy to over-spend on skills and such in create mode, because hovering over a number spinner and activating the mousewheel increments it.

My personal view is that it's easy to fix that by just not keeping your mousewheel over the spinners, but is this a problem you guys have run into before, having random skills bump up or down unexpectedly?

>>50708477
It has happened, yes, and I wondered where my NPC's points had gone a couple of times. It is however a rather minor problem. If it is quick and easy to fix, please do; if it isn't, don't bother. We'll survive!

>>50705792
Get a Weapon Focus sword, and have the grip/pommel - something which can be removed from the sword, so that it represents a discrete object of its own - which is an Elemental Weapon Qi Focus. You'll need to be an Adept/Mystic Adept to attune to them, but the result will be a sword that can give you up to a +6 to all attack roles at chargen, and which can burst into flame.

The flame effect doesn't do much, mind you. It doesn't add damage, just change the sword's damage into Fire damage. Fire damage is mostly useful for spirits and critters with a Bane related to fire; when you set someone on fire, they only take damage per Combat Turn, not per Initiative Pass, so it's unlikely to see anyone incapacitated by it before something else takes them out.

>>50707561
Don't get me wrong, the Predators IV and V were great guns. But the Savalette Guardian offers just as much stopping power and accuracy, but with additional burst fire modes.

>>50708477
It's a problem I've run into, yeah. I was trying to scroll up and down the skill menu and had to backtrack like a scrub trying to figure out why I was suddenly in skill point debt.

>>50708426
And I'm saying it's description would not preclude it being used as such, you're getting too hung up on the word fibre optic, it's not going to be like those junk shop fibre-optic lights, each hair is going to be bundle of fibre-optic with an exterior coating which acts basically like a monitor - because that's literally what the description quoted word-for-word by >>50704573, getting it operate as such is not going to require any additional hardware just the right program, much like the skin toner and it's associated chameleon chip. The wig is superior because you can change it's length length and shape more, but I see no reason not to get the hair if you're going that route in case you are caught without the wig.
I defy you to name this other hair disguise piece of ware that's been mooted, because I sure as hell can't think what it is.

>>50708972
Chummer. Fiber optics don't just change color. They glow. Something which re-pigments itself is one thing, but a fiber optic literally works by shooting glowing light through a strand of glass.

I don't think you understand what a fiber optic is, or how it works, or anything like that.

Because what you're suggesting is what Electro-Chromatic materials in Shadowrun are. That's what a Smart Wig is made of.

That's decidedly not what the Fiber Optic Hair cyberware is. The Fiber Optic Hair cyberware is hair replaced with glowing (or deactivated, and therefore transparent) fiber optics.

If you want to houserule in some Electro-Chromatic Hair with the same stats as Fiber Optic Hair, feel free. It'd definitely fill a niche. But that's not what Fiber Optic Hair is in Shadowrun - it's cheap, cosmetic stuff, that glows like fiber optic strands or an LED screen, and has no function or role in any but the strangest of disguises.

Anyone else find it really weird how dwarves call their neighborhoods "halfervilles" when "halter" is apparently also a dwarf prejoritive?

I mean, "reclaiming" a slur is one thing but I've never met a black guy who called the projects "niggaland" so I don't see why a dwarf would want to live in "halferville"

>>50709476
*halfer

Is Food Fight that good of an intro adventure? I mean, isn't it a bit too simple to really give an idea of how much of a clusterfuck and drek pileups shadowruns are?

>>50699948
>not playing IG

Everyone should run a multi-platoon firing line at least once.

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>>50702611
>transphobia

Clearly Mr. Johnson is a man with Breast 2.0 implants, cosmetic 'ware to look just like a woman, and a monster cock. Stop oppressing them by denying their pronouns, shitlord.

>>50709543
food fight is good as an introductory adventure because it contains all the necessary skill tests, shows the world in its basic elements and gives a plot hook
once you are done with that you can then introduce the rest of the world at your own pace

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>>50706658
Get all supplements from pastebin. Start with Core, Chrome Flesh, Run Faster, Run & Gun, Street Grimoire. Add Data Trails if the decker wants to deck, use errata from the forums if you have a technomancer.

Is it just my group, or does decking always take up a lot of IRL time compared to everyone else's activities? Between his decking, whoremongering and cokeblowing our decker is getting the majority of the limelight every game, to the point that the face thinks it's no longer worth walking through the cold and snow for 45 minutes to play anymore.

>>50709745
Decking has never been anything but terrible in any game where I've seen it featured, because it's well and truly a solo event, where everyone else may as well just fucking leave and get some food while it's resolved.

Even in 5e, I've seen it take 20+ minutes just for the decker to grab a camera feed or open a door.

I've started investing in lockpicking and hardware on my street samurai just so that I can use a single roll to circumvent cameras or open locks, without having to go through deck configuration, and mark accumulation, and blah blah blah...

And half the time that an alarm is tripped, it's the fucking decker failing a roll against a Host, IC being deployed, and the whole place going into high alert.

It's not the solo dungeons of previous editions, but it may as well be.

>>50709745
Oh god I'm about to start gming this and our that guy is playing a decker.

How can we make it shorter

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>>50710535
Depends on what kind of That Guy.

Get the Hayek Sheets from the pastebin and the Matrix action flowchart. Learn them and push ahead quickly. Tell him to make a choice and roll, and keep cutting back to the rest of the party.

5e has realtime hacking (more or less), so the opening is there to keep going forward with the rest of the group and make him shit or get off the pot.

>>50709745
>>50709814
>>50710535
It shouldn't take any longer than anybody else's turn, unless you or the Decker are ignoring rules or just haven't read them.

Most matrix actions are Complex, meaning you can only do one of them per turn, barring programs, which afaik just let you apply the hits rolled to multiple targets.
If you're doing that and turns are still taking too long, because the Decker needs to make up his mind what he's going to hack, or something, do as >>50710591 suggests; tell them to shit, or get off the pot. Just like you would with a Street Sam who spends 5 minutes looking at the map, trying to decide who to shoot.

>>50710637
As the first guy who asked about deckers, the problem I've noticed isn't them taking up time in combat, but the "solo dungeon" problem mentioned earlier where the decker is doing stuff out of combat and since we can't do anything to help him we have to just sit there and wait. It's cool that he's doing his decker stuff for us and all, but we can't help but feel impatient while we wait for our opportunity to go in guns blazing.

What system should I run for a Cowboy Bebop style campaign with space bounty hunting?
Shadowrun?

>>50710637
Well, it does, because unlike the street samurai, the decker's doing shit like spending free actions to completely reconfigure their deck and change what software is running, contending with marks, and all sorts of other obnoxious bullshit.

On top of which, all of that fucking nonsense that the decker's dealing with, NONE of the other party members are participating with. At least when the street samurai is doing his thing, the rigger's commanding his drones, the mage is tossing out stunbolts, and all of that other good stuff. When the decker's trying to hack open the door or loop the security cameras, though, everyone's just crouched in a corner picking their noses and making sure the decker's body doesn't get found while they wait for obstacles to moving forward to be lifted.

It's as bad as if there were Astral segments that everyone needed to wait for the mage to do before the story could progress, where they had to spend turn after turn fucking with 'spirit tokens' and constantly changing their spell loadout and astral attributes before you could continue through a mission.

It's just bad. Maybe 5e is the least-bad that it's ever been, but it's still just shit, and it takes time and attention away from the run as a whole.

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>>50710742
Probably a game with actual rules for spaceships, one without rules for magic.

>>50710781
Spaceship stuff would be mostly for HQ and travelling between worlds.
But true, it would need a little bit of space combat.

So a real long time 4e DM/player here, going to try out 5e, what can I expect for differences?

>>50711049
There are three main changes from 4e to 5e - a whole bevy of minor quirks, but only three big things.

First, the matrix has been completely reworked. You're going to need to relearn hacking from the ground up.

Second, there are Limits now. Whether it's your Social Limit, your weapon's Accuracy, or your car's Handling, these Limits serve as the maximum number of hits you can get on a roll. These are normally high enough to be inconsequential or low enough to be crippling, with no real middle ground by and large.

And third, character creation no longer runs off of BPs, it uses a Priority system. Take the time to acquaint yourself with it and make a few test characters to make sure you understand how it works.

Aside from that, it's just minor things.

>>50711090
Is it still possible to do Karma gen? I never liked the concepts of priority character creation.

Thanks though!

>>50690109
A semi-functional crew whose morals are less in the red than their accounts.

>>50711122
Absolutely. There are three other character creation systems but one is just a different flavor of priority (sum to 10) and another is largely abandoned and was never quite workable (Life Paths)

>>50711122
Yeah, there's an optional rule for karmagen, but unlike BP gen you'll still have to deal with scaling karma costs.

It lends itself towards building generalists, and punishes trying to build specialists. Worthwhile, if you prefer the former over the latter.

>>50711174
Hm.. Shame, I wanted the kind of karma gen that 4e's runner's companion added. I just noticed that the stats will be fucking expensive as fuck to buy. I was thinking like 300-350 karma but with a human with just 3 in everything (except edge) costs 360 karma. Hm, maybe around 475 then.. I want a mid power game giving the players a lot time to grow their characters.

>>50711209
I'd go with priority gen in your shoes - it lets you make a specialist, but with lots of holes to grow and expand the character horizontally away from their specialty.

Shadowrun, as ever, makes improving what you're already good at prohibitively expensive, compared to improving what you're not good at yet. That's the intended growth path of the karma and nuyen system as it stands.

>>50710803
>>50710781
>>50710742
What system could have easy space combat?

>>50708744
Wouldn't that just make it so dealing damage with the pommel will deal fire damage?

Shadowrun is just not that good when it comes to magic items.
feelsbadman

>>50711415
>Wouldn't that just make it so dealing damage with the pommel will deal fire damage?
No. A Qi Focus grants you, personally, that adept power as long as it's on your person. And the Elemental Weapon Adept Power causes a held Weapon Focus to get wreathed in the element in question.

You could have a belt buckle of Elemental Weapon and use it on your sword, for example - the form the Qi Focus takes doesn't matter, in this case.

>>50711441
Splendid! All my characters' christmas shopping lists have suddenly changed.

>>50711522
>All
Only a mage/adept can use weapon foci, and only adepts can use Qi Foci.

>>50707502
>>50707444
>>50707318
>>50707121
I'd be happy to run a quickie. Either one very long session for everyone to get familiar with char gen and a quick scenario, or two shorter ones so we can build and do a scenario. It would be on roll20 (unless someone knows a better site to use that is free). Send an email so we can work out a time [email protected]

>>50707530
>thats_brutal.png

>>50707561
>Predator
That's not a Super Warhawk.

>>50710742
>>50711280
Rogue Trader maybe.

>>50711725
He could play nothing but adepts.

>>50711725
Yes. All my characters are adepts. I have a fetish for magic knights. I regret nothing.

Do I have to pay up the LP cost for "One Good Thing about this place" and the cost of whatever that good thing is? Or just the LP cost of that quality?

>>50711802
btw I'm trying to adapt the shadowrun rules to make a medieval setting so that my friends and I never have to play D&D again.

It's a "low magic" setting where everyone is an adept and the only way to cast spells or do any of the other flashy magic stuff is through the Adept Spell power.

I don't know what to do with the relationship between essence and magic since the whole cybernetics-eat-your-soul aspect of the game won't matter anymore. What do you guys think?

>>50712028
I want to say that there were magic using ways of lowering your Essence in Earthdawn, so look at older editions of it (and possibly the recent ones too) for ideas.

>>50693397
>IE: if the street sam goes on a rampage and kills everyone he owes money to to remove his in debt quality, he still needs to pay karma to get rid of it (or take negatives of an equal value)
I'm pretty sure successfully slaughtering everybody who could contest you would award more than enough karma to buy it off.

>>50712028
Literally Earthdawn. They recently made a newer edition. 4th I think.

It's even in the exact same universe as Shadowrun, just earlier in time.

>>50712063
I'd probably have the player swap it for an enemy. Someone isn't going to be happy you killed their buddy because you owed them money.

>>50712063
Which you still have to pay on removing the quality, instead of actually improving your character by it. Where and how you earned the karma doesn't negate that it's a real cost.

>>50712082
>>It's even in the exact same universe as Shadowrun,
Wrooooong.
Up to 3e Shadowrun you'd have a point, but from 4e onwards, Shadowrun is set in an alternate universe that holds no actual connection to Earthdawn.

>>50712165
What did they change that made them separate?

>>50712186
The publishers, of course.

>>50712165
...no. It's still the same universe as ever, and nothing has ever been printed against that fact. It's just that they're not allowed to include explicit references in the current editions because, despite sharing the same setting, Earthdawn isn't being licenses to CGL.

It's still part of the setting, but focusing on those details in official material would currently be a copyright infringement, so 4e and 5e have turned their attention away from the Fourth World for the time being.

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>>50712165
Legally they divorced and lost the hyphenated name, but the kids still have Dad's red hair and Mom's huge tits. They still put in things like references to the Azzies contacting Horrors and people SURGEing into Obsidimen, they just can't use the name.

>>50710535
Shoot the decker, sell his cyberdeck and live like kings.

>>50712199
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt, just in case I missed something. Because to the best of my knowledge, >>50712208 explains it perfectly (and >>50712215 explains it in an amusing manner).

>>50712260
>him
You're talking to him, omae. Facts are facts, Shadowrun and Earthdawn have nothing to do with each other as of now.

>>50712276
Good news. So, Mr. Hardy, are you going to go retcon out all the dragons in the Technomancer book?

>>50712294
Makes me think, is there such a thing as a dragon that has a... Resonance rating? (new to the system) instead of magic.

What's the cheapest, yet most respectable form of transportation a Face can have?

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>>50712436
No. By the immutable laws of the universe, you can't have both Resonance and Magic, and Dragons all have a (high) Magic rating. Dragons are creatures of magic who literally couldn't survive in our world when the manasphere was too weak, they cannot be technomancers or otaku.

>>50712473
Dodge Scoot. Pretend you're Italian.

>>50712436
I don't think so. There was rumors of one that interacted with the Matrix however.

IIRC One of the AAA or AA corps had a dragon they hooked up to the matrix. Then shenanigans ensued and it either became a ghost-in-the-machine AI or just plain died.

>>50712473
Mid tier sedan.

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>>50712501
Eliohann was the dragon with the datajack. Flatlined during Crash 2.0, and attempts to revive him and repair his mind led to the headcase nanobotpocalyse

>>50712473
Either the rigger's SAAB Galdius 998 TI or the rigger's Rolls Royce Phaeton.

>>50701669
My team's man-slut of a Face keeps sleeping with Johnsons and I don't know what to do about it. It strikes me as very unprofessional!

>>50712276
>n-nuh-uh!
Good counter argument. Earthdawn and Shadowrun are still the same setting - CGL is just contractually prevented from providing that fact the same level of explicit emphasis that previous editions once did.

I want to play an AI.
I've heard of them being good Faces thanks to Exceptional Entity.
What kind of priority should I be looking at for them, sum-to-10 wise? Other tips appreciated.

Is it kosher to make the players go on an edutaining globe hopping adventure to recover a macguffin from a theif?

>>50713569
No it's illegal and CGL will send deathsquads to your house.

>>50713569
>edutaining
How so?

>>50713718
Facts and history are collected and used in all locations they visit.

>>50713728
Real history or Shadowrun history?

>>50713728
>you must take this quiz on the euro wars if you want access to my Archive, mister runner man!

>>50713758
That part I am not certain about.
Both, I guess. Depending on the time period of the current clue.

>>50713279
Here's the character sheet of the face AI /srg/ cooked up a while ago
http://pastebin.com/SsWTY7qr
Maybe grab that holodrone that's in the new face book, so you don't need to use a flying eye.

>>50713770
I need to play professor layton to really bone up on the puzzle shit to throw in with the history lessons.

>>50712486
>>50712501
So, just throwing it out there, a dragon that had resonance instead of magic, though unprecedented, is technically a possibility?

Since I seem to recall some of the bits of lore and such in the rulebooks talk about technomancy as being "a form of magic better suited to the sixth world." or something.

>>50713803
Fucking beautiful. Thanks.
>Holodrone
Looks cool and appropriate but seems a little expensive out of the gate compared to the flying eye.

Does anyone have a PDF that summarizes all the qualities? I thought it was in the MEGA, but I can't seem to see it

>>50713908
Maybe. IIRC the fluff for dragons states their very being is inherently magical which is why they weren't around in the 5th age. That would indicate a no, but one could argue that a dragon becoming an AI/Ghost-in-the-Machine like Eliohann (also known as Cerberus) did is basically the same thing. Just no meat body.

>>50713803
>Transys Avalon
how is the AI supposed to handle the lifestyle cost?

>>50713908
I don't believe there's been anything concrete to support that, but it's certainly a pet theory of myself and someone else I know, that Technomancy is just a different form on magic and that AI's are really just free spirits of the matrix. Which would make an opening for a dragon equivalent, but I don't know that it would be just a dragon with resonance, maybe more some sort of giant mech?

>>50714018
That actually sounds pretty cool.

Well we're close enough to the bump limit that I'm gonna make a new thread.

>>50713935

To add, its not the "Skills and Qualities" piece of shit that's in the MEGA currently, there was a properly formatted one with everything from core, R&G and Run Faster

Trying to get an advanced AI lifestyle in Chummer gets me Chummer.ListItem for any quality.

>>50714018
actually that can't be right because if it was then magic would work just as effectively -in- the matrix, there'd be some way to work it both ways. This is obviously not the case.

>>50714018
Your opinions/insights probably are far better than my own, i only started lurking these threads about a day ago, coming fresh off having binged and completed Shadowrun Returns, Dragonfall and Hong Kong, and then reading the Corebook of fifth ed. So granted, i might not know >everything< that i should on the subject, it's just the whole "technomancy is magic taking a form suited to the sixth world" and "dragons are intrinsically magical beings" that stood out to me and sparked the thought.

>>50713982
They aren't. I just tried that very build out in Chummer, and bam, -3,200 nuyen in debt. Seems to me like you're gonna have to downgrade the AI's commlink so they can have an affordable lifestyle at chargen.

>>50714118
Use the latest nightlies, I goofed up a while back and left in some redundant code that causes problems with them.

>>50709013
It's like you didn't even read what I wrote, and yes I know what fibre-optic is, it's a glass or plastic (in this case probably plastic filament) designed to conduct light to a point, my point was it couldn't work as described without said electro-Chromatic coating, it's basically turning your hair into a monitor. And even if I accept that it can't do a more normal clour (which I don't again fits with the definition every colour imaginable) So what?, change the pattern up and instantly you're less recognizable, they're 100 Nuyen/cm fashionwear, they're likely to be relatively commonplace so yould could fade into a crowd. And I'll note that you still haven't produced this mythical piece of cyber/bioware that is supposed to be the stealth equivalent.

>>50713982
I mean, with all that charisma I'm sure they could make bank having virtual sex with NEETs in the matrix.

>>50714331
That doesn't matter, they can't do it at chargen. Later? Sure! Immediately? No, that's not going to fly.

Looking through the archives, it seems this 'Cinnamon' was never actually in a real game. I strongly implore that, if you do not update the pastebin, at least remind people that this is a build that isn't genuinely character-ready due to having an unsustainable lifestyle cost. I can't believe that between all the posters, not one person - ONE! - picked up on this.

>>50714137
Well no, because we hold that the matrix is it's own form of astral plane, so basically magic anf resonance can't interact because they're moving through two different mediums "traditional" magic through the astral plane and "techno" magic through the Matrix plane, they're moving at right angles to one another. When I say a different form of magic I don't just mean a different tradition, I mean there's a fundamental difference in the in universe mechanics of how in works.

>>50714316
you fucked up chummer?
also wait until we're on page 10 or at least page 9

>>50714384
>>50714384
>>50714384
>>50714384

>>50714382
then they're not REALLY the same thing are they?

They're not two flavors of astral, they're two separate mechanisms entirely. It's like comparing EM Radiation with beta, gamma, and alpha particles. They function on entirely different premises. Yes, they interact to make our universe, but the two are completely and functionally separate from one another, even if they behave in marginally similar manners (IE: EM and various forms of radioactive decay promoted by the nuclear weak force both have particles spinning out into the ether causing effects, usually transfers of energy, but EM radiation is largely sub-atomic and sub-nuclear particles like electrons and photons, while alpha, beta, and gamma are all really heavy particles that are still rocketing through the spatial dimensions but way heavier and more dangerous and cause very different effects).

The way you compared resonance and magic made it sound more like thermal versus x-ray radiation. Two ends of a spectrum of frequencies, but I think that's a very dangerous idea to get into if we're speaking in a pure fluff sense.

>>50714391
Yes, and I'm about to walk the dog. Since we're already on 6 I figure this thread will be dead by the time I get back. So might as well make the new one right now.

>>50714447
>It's like comparing EM Radiation with beta, gamma, and alpha particles.
alpha and beta I give to you
but you DO know that gamma radiation is EM waves, just with a VERY short wavelength, right?

>>50714447
Well they are obviously separated in a way, the point is more that technomancers aren't just able to be explained by science, maybe it would be more precise to say that they're both supernatural in nature. The analogy I was thinking of has them as the two faces of a coin, in a fundamental way they're the same, the details may be different but the broad strokes are the same. But they can't really interact because they run parallel to one another and their only contact is the edge, the real world in this analogy.

>>50714447
also: >EM radiation is largely sub-atomic and sub-nuclear particles like electrons and photons,
>electrons
chummer, beta radiation is electrons
and photons are NOT particles

2/10 see me after class

>>50711783
Sent ;)

I'll use the character I rolled up and waiting for runnerhub approval. Couple of guys from the session I sat in on helped me make it.

>>50708972
See >>50704798
Quoted both of them, chummer.

>>50709013
>Chummer. Fiber optics don't just change color. They glow. Something which re-pigments itself is one thing, but a fiber optic literally works by shooting glowing light through a strand of glass.
Great. And dynamic polarisation can alter the directions from which that glow is visible, and the spectrum it's visible in.

Entirely unrelated to electrochromatic mods.

>>50712750
So they're still the same setting, but any effort to connect them directly will be stringently avoided. Which is effectively the same as saying they're not the same setting, but Shadowrun has an ersatz Earthdawn to replace the lost past.

The difference is personal emphasis.