/srg/ - Shadowrun General

>>50714381
Technically AIs don't even need to pay the lifestyle cost though.
She'd start out with effectively one level of gremlins, but it is legal.
Dunno how that poster ended up with -3,200 nuyen.
6,000Y from the base, +16,000 from karma, meaning you've got 22,000Y and the commlink+drone only cost 19,500Y
You could ditch some of the autosofts and buy a month or so of lifestyle if you liked.

>>50714459
I am that very poster. I actually went further and boosted it up to 10 karma worth of Nuyen by grabbing distinctive style on top of that.

>Dunno how that poster ended up with -3,200 nuyen.
By actually trying to pay the lifestyle cost from the get-go.

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Does anyone know how to fix this in Chummer?

Thanks

>>50714524
Dropping the autosofts to rating 4 would fix that then.
I think it was really late while I was originally making her and glossed over the lifestyle cost.

>>50714102
Continuing form the old thread
I can see Ares or Renraku building a giant battle battle mech, Why? Because Fuck you, that's why.
Anyway they go to test this thing out, maybe it's supposed to be piloted or it's just the world's biggest drone.
I HAVE AWOKEN
>oh_shit.jpg
Thing rampages for a bit,
proving impossible to stop, it subverts any tech you use against it and magic proves equally ineffective due to it's object resistance being off the charts and then settles down to doing what a dragon does - hoarding.
It starts siphoning information from the matrix at an alarming rate, are you a bad enough dude to stop the cyberdragon stealing all the porn?

>>50714576
Please fix her sheet, then.

>>50714613
Done

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>>50714578
And then in a desperate bid to stop it, Evo brings out their horde of riggable juggernaut armadilos.

>>50714551
Your font size is set too high for Chummer to handle; not sure what's causing it, but that's the root.

>>50714755
Congratulations, you just handed it it's army of death.

>>50714862
Are you implying the riggers aren't hardwired in, riding in rigger cocoons on the beasts back?

>>50714578
>>50714755
While cool, I doubt our super cyberdragon would be able to actually remove data from the matrix. Most likely it'll spy on people and turn into the worlds best info-broker.

>>50714845
My understanding is that photons exhibit both particle and wave-like properties. So they're arguably both.

>>50714578
>>50714755
>implying destroying the mechadragon would be enough to truly defeat the cyberdragon
>implying that truly defeating the cyberdragon once and for all wouldn't require destroying it in the Matrix

>>50715104
See thats why they wired up the Juggernauts with internal cyberdecks as well.

>>50714986
>So they're arguably both.
chummer, they are not both, they are neither
they are quantums: neither particles nor waves

>>50715183
>quantums

>>50715215
sorry: "quanta"

>captcha: [a picture of slits] 7000
even captcha is confused

What's 5e's metaplot been shaping up like?
I disliked 4e, and from what I've heard 5e isn't much better.

>>50715243
AI dragons make cybervirus
everybody is mad
No one likes Ares

>>50714695
Thank you.

>into the idea of being a rigger as far as jumping into vehicles go
>not into the idea of being a rigger as far as jumping into drones go
Someone sell me on drones, because I doubt I'll ever find a game where a rigger who only does vehicles is that useful.

I'm coming off the Harebrained Schemes games as a first-time player for the actual tabletop, and I'll be starting my first campaign in it after my group finishes up our current Call of Cthulhu campaign. Any advice for chargen and in general? I was wanting to roll decker.

>>50714695
Oh right, another glitch with the character I noticed from scanning DT. Per page 156,

>Only AIs with the Pilot Origins
quality may use autosofts in place of active skills
I mean, the base still works and I really like the idea, but otherwise you can't actually use any of these autosofts. Not for a long while - assuming your GM lets you buy-in pilot origins later - at least. Plus there's that whole "AI would totally rather suicide themselves on burning through karma instead of just buying autosofts" thing, but I doubt most GMs would be that hardline about it.

>>50715582
you don't have to jump into drones to find them useful
you can have one or two really well kitted out drones or a swarm of cheaper ones to provide support, use some fly-spies or similar to provide surveillance or use them to make stealth attacks
and you can usually do this while still being a good driver

>>50715648
which edition?
keep in mind that the most popular editions right now are 4e and 5e while the HBS games work on a modified 2e system

>>50715648
>I was wanting to roll decker
Few things.
1. Cool as he was, you can't be Blitz. I'm sorry.
2. The Matrix is nowhere near as cool and streamlined as it is in the videogames.

>>50715582
One could talk the mobile sensor network, or the microdrones slipping into the most secure places with ease or the rotodrone loaded with sniper that is inposimbe to detect.
This are not important. What is important is idoll with realistic features 4, pilot upgrade and the right autosofts for the ultimate waifu.

>>50715705
We're most likely going to be doing 5E. I'm reading through the books to get a feel for just how different the systems are, but I'm at least certain that I want to be our group's decker. I enjoyed it in the games, and reading through the 5E material it still looks pretty damn fun.
>>50715717
Blitz is a faggot, and I realize that it will be a lot different and more drawn-out. It doesn't help that I do programming and networking shit in real life and I'm drawn to it. We've also got perfect candidates for a face (business major) and rigger (mechatronics/machinist) in our group, though we're missing real-life shamans or mages.

>>50715761
>Blitz is a faggot
No way, no how. He was the ultimate bro and made me really glad I didn't roll a decker.
> I realize that it will be a lot different and more drawn-out.
Do you hate your friends (okay, maybe they're not friends but just gaming buddies, but still) that much? Deckers take upwards of 20 minutes to do things.

>>50715808
I did roll a decker the last playthrough and I tried to use him as little as possible. Racter > Blitz.
20 minutes of roleplay to accomplish how much in game time though?

>>50715808
>take 20 min
That's where your GM needs to step in and adjust how many checks are being made and so on.

>>50715837
>Racter > Blitz
Awful taste.
>20 minutes of roleplay to accomplish how much in game time though?
Opening a door.

>>50715664
On the bright side, the nuyen gained from cutting out the useless autosofts enabled me to grab a rating 3 fake sin.

>>50714384
So I made a magic runner and tried to use spirits during the first session. Turns out, the GM didn't know how spirits worked (he was only told I was coming a few hours in advance, apparently) and I'm still not totally sure. Is there a good cheat sheet for next session?
>in b4 someone says 'the core rulebook' he doesn't like to ruffle though books during session

>>50715705
I guess you're right, but I think the underlying problem is that I like to do things either big or not at all, and it sounds like doing drones in a big way would require money that I'd rather spend on doing vehicles big. Am I wrong to think that? Is it possible to just grab 1 or 2 highly specialized drones and still be useful to the team?

>>50715726
>This are not important. What is important is idoll with realistic features 4, pilot upgrade and the right autosofts for the ultimate waifu.
On one hand, you disgust me. On the other hand, you've given me the idea of seducing a target with such a drone for various reasons.....

>>50715857
>Awful taste.
Yes, I have awful taste. I still think Racter is a more interesting character than Blitz, and my melee decker from my Hong Kong playthrough will gladly duke it out when the age of the sociopathic chromedomes comes.
>Opening a door.
Then before February, when we plan on giving a 5E campaign a shot, I'll go over that with our usual GM to see how we can streamline it.

>>50715926
I too, greatly enjoyed Racter's dialogue, though i am sure i'd have gotten a different view of him if my character had the academic etiquette, but i couldn't squeeze it into the build. (Basically, greatest rifleman/decker ever born.)

Also, Gaichu was super cool.

>>50715961
Gaichu was also my nigga.
So was Ten-Armed Ambrose.

>>50715991
Completing Hong Kong was what got me into the PnP of Shadowrun, also, Ambrose was fun as well i agree. Honestly? I liked all the characters except Duncan, whom i for some reason just... Couldn't connect with. (And believe me, i tried, holy mother of the god that reigns over the autism spectrum, i tried.)

>>50715910
check the hayek sheets in the pastebin?

>>50716162
Thanks

>>50716022
I liked Duncan, though I did notice he was the obligatory gay party member this time around (Dragonfall had Glory). One of the dialogs with him is about him breaking one of Raymond's house roles, and if you reply thinking it was "No dating until college", he mentions that no, he wasn't talking about David.

>>50716236
Fun thing is, neither Glory nor Duncan felt... Pandery? To me, like it wasn't super pushy, more of a "so i was dating (person) and for (reason) it didn't work out so hot." kind of thing. So i guess that means the writing was either done right, or im too autistic to pick up on the apparant faux pas.

>>50716236
>Glory
>gay
I don't think Satanists are so much as allowed to have sexual preferences beyond pure hedonism.

>>50716285
It's done right, but it still feels like a quota-filler. I don't think any of the other companions in either game mention past relationships, other than Dietrich grilling you for your past association with Monika.

>>50716334
Dietrich's one and only true love was MESSERKAMPF! though. He's just being tsundere about it.

>>50716303
I feel embarassed to ask but, what exactly was the name of that entity that seduced her? The outsider? Invader? It eludes me.

>>50716377
Satan himself, but since that's a little dicey they just call him "The Adversary" instead of out-and-out stating it.

>>50716401
more specifically the adversary is a general term for one specific mentor spirit which can be fluffed as satan but doesn't have to be, in the same way that just because your mentor spirit is bear it doesn't have to take the form of one

>>50716538
You and I both know that The Adversary in Dragonfall is Satan.

>>50716303
Well the person she was in like, an actual relationship with was a girl
One could argue she was bi, but I don't think it counts if you're coerced into sex by the leader of your evil doom cult.

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>>50714986
Your idea is probably actually better and more playable - I was probably over amping the ridiculous for humour's sake, Ares or whoever made it would still be trying to track it down, so that could be a usable as a plot thread, they pay you to follow leads on the new broker in town, it's a risky job but the money is good, but then the entire matrix turns against you and shit gets real. Do you tell Mr Johnson to jump and deal with a dragon, or face the beast in it's digital lair.

>>50716556
sure, but this is a special case due to her growing up in a hard christian household IIRC
depending on your tradition and culture you might see the adversary as a force of good opposing the tyranny

>>50716556
It's the thing people called Satan, but it really is just a mentor spirit, not really any different than any other one, besides being a bigger dick.

>>50715726

Oh I'm jumpin' in that I-DOLL if you know what I mean

>>50716893
I don't get it.

So if I've got a HMG in my Steel Lynx, what can I do to improve it's recoil reduction other than gas vents? Also, is there anything other than image magnification and improved range finder (which sadly don't stack) that can reduce range penalties for a sniper rifle? Deep down in my heart there's a part of me that wants to fire at someone a kilometer away without taking penalties.

>>50716927
Cehck Rigger 5.0, pg 148.

>>50716650
>depending on your tradition and culture you might see the adversary as a force of good opposing the tyranny
Yeah, and that's literally how she saw it. Depending on your tradition you might see Doom as any number of things, but none of those things will be non-evil.

>>50716940
Speaking of that page, if a runner chooses to get a Saeder-Krupp Direktionssekretar instead of anything else (like the suggested refluffing to an Ares or even a Sonybot) is it safe to say that they've made a deal with a dragon?

>>50716629
The only time any vaguely intelligent runner ever considers dealing with a dragon is if the payoff will be a retirement package.

>>50717037
Eh, maybe. I'd say no simply because buying a dragons shit doesn't mean you're doing it a favor.

>>50717053
What if the alternative to not dealing is being crisped by dragonbreath?

>>50716940
Aside from increasing your lynx's body, not much. Underbarrel Weight is an Under mount in Run and Gun that adds a point. Ask your GM if you can get vehicle equivalents of foot anchors, maybe?
>>50717160
Everything after that is probably your retirement package.

>pilot origins doesn't explicitly allow AIs to jump into anthro drones
>rigger 5 talks about it happening like it's obvious
Classic CGL.

>>50716940

Remember that you get RC equal to your drone or vehicle's body. And when in doubt you can always switch over to suppressive fire, which generates no recoil

>>50717195
Anthros aren't exactly water- or air-craft, omae.

>>50711783

To the anon who offered to run a one-shot in the last thread, I shot you an email. Looking forward to getting something going.

>>50717251
Yekka, different question related to AI. Would you let somebody take pilot origins post-character creation? I don't personally see there being a problem in it (there doesn't seem to be any rules against it) but maybe a more experienced GM would say otherwise.

>>50717180
>Ask your GM if you can get vehicle equivalents of foot anchors, maybe?
That won't be necessary; 1 recoil compensation from underbarrel weight plus 3 from gas vents plus 6 from the drone's body means I'd never have to worry about recoil with it.

Unrelated question: exactly how much of a loser would one be considered if they had a Realistic Features 4 I-Doll as their "robogirlfriend", complete with naughty bits? Do you become less of a loser if you upgrade "her" Pilot to 6, as well as give "her" Personality software and extra skillsofts?

>>50717308
>"her"
does "she" have a feminine penis?

>>50717308
Having read over most of the core rulebook, im fairly certain nobody would care, considering that it went to, in my opinion, excessive lengths to state "LOVE IS TOTES DEAD PEEPS, CASUAL SEX IS WHAT WE DO NOW." So by all means, honk the hooters of your lovebot-3000 for all it's worth because in the shadows that's probably as close as you'll get.

>>50717308
A huge loser, and no, even if she is almost a perfect replica of a person you'll still be seen as a loser. On the upside, with the pilot of 6 and suchforth, it's possible no-one might ever find out she's a robot.

>>50717340
No, what kind of degenerate do you take me for? The quotation marks are there because it's a thing instead of a person (though obviously someone with such a robogirlfriend might not see it that way).

>>50717308
In large portions of Shadowrun I get the impression that that kind of degeneracy doesn't even raise eyebrows, and it's not like the 'runner lifestyle is conducive to having an active dating life.

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>>50717296
Ehhhhh. Depends on circumstances and player background, I guess? I generally lean in favour of allowing the players to do cool shit, provided said cool shit doesn't annoy me or make me have to deal with fetishy shit that doesn't interest me.

If you were able to convince me that I should let AIs into my game, presented me with Cinnamon strapped into an i-Doll and after a few months in-game said 'I want to be more like the little girl, can I take Pilot Origins for that?' I'd lean towards yes.

You're paying out the ass for it anyway.

>>50717296
This may not be against the rules but it offends me on some basic level.

>find out target lost his wife and kids in a tragic accident
>purchase several anthromorphic drones
>apply Realistic Appearance 4
>modify them to look just like his dead wife and kids
>use this drones to fuck with the target's head
I'm going to hell just for thinking that up, aren't I?

>>50717493
I'd say thats pretty fucking brilliant, you'd have to be stone cold dead inside not to be shaken up by something like that. Depending on the payday that would totally be worth the cash and prep time.

>>50717362
>>50717367
>>50717409
Well, 2 out of 3 ain't bad. As long as I'm going down this rabbit hole, I might as well see just how deep it goes: would it be possible to install an artificial womb in a robogirlfriend that, with donated ovum, could be used to make babies the old fashioned way? Or would buying more drones be the only way to have a "family" with your robogirlfriend?

>>50717675
I honestly dont see why not, it's the time of dragons running most of the world via corporations, public blood sacrifices that no one bats an eye at, and ofcourse all the shittery with Otaku, Technomancers and whatnots. So yeah, by all means jam a womb in your lovebot and go all rocket brothers on 'er.

>>50717493
>>50717509

Make them sucide drones as well, have them walk through a crowd and through his vision as he's looking in the right direction, have them walk around a corner, he'll go blitzing after them. Have them wait for him, and when he touches one of them. BOOM.

Alternatively, just keep having them appear in different outfits, look up what they wore, it'll all be recorded as long as they died a few years after Crash 2.0.

Also you are totally going to hell.

>>50717675
>would it be possible to install an artificial womb in a robogirlfriend that, with donated ovum, could be used to make babies the old fashioned way?
Imagine being the offspring of that.
>"Alright mom, see you later!"
>"Uh, dude, I think that's an anthrodrone."
>"Yeah, and she's my mom too. My dad's a real freak."

>>50717675
Not possible.

Vat grown kids, even those using both a normal ovum and a normal sperm, not true cloning, have canonically been stated to be impossible so far. There's a couple of adventure books I think that have horrifying results of attempts in at least one of the editions.

If the technology exists to do it, it is so far outside a shadowrunner's pay cheque as to be like them buying a seat on the corporate court.

>>50717783
also if you implanted a womb that was grown, used artificial ovum, the womb and probably the child, wouldn't last long enough since there'd not be enough essence in the body to do the job.

Now if it was a -biodrone- that's a different matter I -think- but I don't think they've managed to do humanoid biodrones yet, for the same reasons as above.

>>50717778
Still less awkward than being the bastard off-spring of the butch dyke dwarven rigger who got double teamed by the teams street sam and decker, both of whom are trolls, on the regular.

>>50717413
Speaking of AI, Yekka, there's no option available to make AI programs free in Chummer. Think you could change that?

>Shiawase I-Dolls are mentioned in Rigger 5 as having a "Class 4" variant
>they have a body of 3, meaning they can only ever get Rating 3 Realistic Features
Is there something I'm missing?

>>50717843
They can get programs for free?

>>50718267
No, not outside of the GM deciding to not fuck you over quite so badly as -literally- saying you have to spend 5 karma for what others can spend 80 friggin nuyen for.

>>50715664
Well, she isn't jumped into the drone, she's in the commlink which would then send orders to the drone, which would use the autosofts loaded onto it.

>>50718290
Hrm. It'd require a bit of a shift in calculation logic, but nothing super onerous. Why don't you just reduce the karma cost for new programs to 0 though?

>>50718409
Because I forgot. Sorry.

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>>50718440
All good, no worries

>>50713803
I don't understand. Where is the build on the pastebin?

>>50718559
Is this a joke?

>>50718574
What do you see when you use that link?

>>50718634
I see a build, including priority, stat allocation, contacts taken and the works.

>>50718521
Something else, though.
Maybe it's just me, but it looks like the values for "maximum" and "minimum" labels in quality selection are swapped.

>>50718634
I see that pastebin that is always in the OP. It's got new GM advice, rulebooks, assorted tools, german stuff, maps, random chase generator, etc

I don't see anything about a character build.

>>50718793
God damn, now I see it. What did you do, you madman?
http://pastebin.com/u687vu13

>>50717308
I bet that type of shit is supper common in Shadowrun japan. If anything your runner will fit right in with the robowife losers.

What type of archetypes could a connections 1 loyalty 6 contact be?

>>50718245
They come with Realistic Features 1, so the remaining 3 mod points can bump them up to Realistic features 4.

>>50719309
Chummer certainly doesn't allow for that. Realistic Features 1 is baked in and can't be upgraded, and even then, as stated you're stuck with 3 bod so you can't upgrade to Realistic Features 4.

>>50719359
Then I believe this is a case where Chummer is misreading the RAW and not getting the RAI.

>>50719289
>Virtually no social influence; useful only for their Knowledge skills.
Someone very loyal, but practically useless for anything beyond knowledge.

>>50719359
>Any single attribute may be worsened by 1 (or 3 for Armor), providing 1 Mod Point.
>the gamemaster is the fnal arbitrator in what is and isn’t allowed.

>>50719359
I should add I see absolutely nothing in Rigger 5 that indicates they should be able to 'bump up to realistic features 4'.

>>50719396
What's there to RAI? It's known that fluff and mechanics writers aren't always the same; it's possible there was a miscommunication and there is absolutely nothing indicating they should be able to have an absolutely capacity-free built-in upgrade that they can modify. Going by RAW, the absolute maximum they can get is Rating 3, and you'll want to look into alternatives that do actually have body 4.

>>50719429
I don't see how that lets them get realistic features 4 aside from "lol just have the GM ignore everything".

>>50719289
Your best friend or family member that's a normie. They're good people and you can trust them in a pinch, but they no nothing of running in the shadows.

>>50719443
>I don't see how that lets them get realistic features 4 aside from "lol just have the GM ignore everything".
Does drone realistic features even use mod points?

>>50719443
Honestly, even going by RAI there's more suggesting that class 3 is the absolute best i-doll there is than not.

>Sometimes derided as “robo-girlfriends,” only the most expensive i-Doll models can even try to pass for human.[...] Class 3 Dolls are as lifelike as synthetic cyberlimbs, but the usual problems, such as cold skin and eyes that aren’t quite right, really makes some people uncomfortable. Then again, they sell a ton of these, so what do I know?

Compiled from two places, both the fluff piece for the tech itself, and a comment from a character. There's actually only a single reference to a class 4, versus one allusion and one outright reference to class 3. Meanwhile, the Direktionssekretar actually has a body rating of 4 and is referenced as being incredibly humanlike in multiple parts instead of just a single comment that contradicts what's been written before.

So clearly, the i-doll does not actually have the capacity to have Realistic Features 4.

>>50719542
Yes? Could you try actually reading instead of asking others basic questions like this? Chummer rates it as costing 1 body slot per rating and the table in Rigger 5 backs that up.

>Modification Realistic Features (Rating 1-4) Slots Rating

>>50719580
>Chummer rates it
Could you try actually reading instead of spouting basic bitch shit like this?

REALISTIC FEATURES
One of the most-requested modifications, realistic features are found on several spy drones, allowing them to
blend in with local birds or insects. This type of modification also remains popular with anthropomorphic drones
in an effort to humanise them. As the design approaches
a more realistic model, the cost, as you might imagine,
increases. Realistic features are available in four ratings,
each rating serving as the threshold on a Perception test
to tell if it’s machine or a living being.
Rating 1, Availability 2, Cost (Body x Body) x 100
Rating 2, Availability 4, Cost (Body x Body ) x 500
Rating 3, Availability 8, Cost (Body x Body ) x 1,000
Rating 4, Availability 12R, Cost (Body x Body ) x 5,000
While many drones can be made realistic (receiving
Rating 1), allowing them to pass at a casual glance at a
distance or at night, wheels, quad fans, and so on are
quite difficult to disguise. Most drones cannot be given
Realistic Features beyond Rating 1, while some cannot
even obtain that level. (The gamemaster is the final arbitrator on what is and isn’t appropriate.) Realistic Features
2 can be added with a Shop, but higher than this requires
a Facility (most drones this realistic are designed as such
before being sold).

>>50719619
Read
>And the table in rigger 5 backs that up
There is nothing whatsoever there in your little copypaste hackjob that indicates that they can upgrade a built-in modification.

>>50719615
>Slots
>Each of the following mods is listed with a cost in Mod Points, Availability, and nuyen.
Mod Points, Drone Mod section, nigga. What's the cost in Mod Points for drones?

>>50719289
A friend who like, might be useful for driving you places. Possibly they have magic 1 and the heal spell.

>>50719647
And where exactly in Rigger 5.0 does it mention the mod point cost for Realistic Features, because I'm looking at the book right now and they don't put any mod point cost on it.

>>50719672
Slots.

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>>50719396
All Chummer content is RAW. I have no interest in chasing my tail following the ideals of 'Well it SHOULD be this way!' unless it's an easy optional rule to implement.

I get where you're coming from in that the first point should be treated as free, but there are no other RAW instances I can think of where you can upgrade a built-in component.
>>50719672
R5 151, Modification Slots. Page 167, Slots column.

>>50719702
>>50719724
>>50719748
Slots are something only vehicles have, not drones. Why they mention "drones" when Realistic Features pops up again in the vehicles modification is beyond me, but if you look at the pricing listed in the drone section you'll see that they're not the same features. And even if you insist that Realistic Features works on slots in drones, then the solution is retardedly simple: remove Realistic Features 1, gain 1 slot, and install Realistic Features 4 with the 4 slots that you now have.

>>50719748
>the first point should be treated as free,
Should it, though? There's nothing really saying it should be upgradable besides one line (That's contradicted by other lines besides).

>>50719798
>And even if you insist that Realistic Features works on slots in drones, then the solution is retardedly simple: remove Realistic Features 1, gain 1 slot, and install Realistic Features 4 with the 4 slots that you now have.
Nope! You don't automagically gain a slot, they have only body 3. End of the line.

>>50719724
>>50719748
Back up to page 122, and go from there. Don't try to bring vehicle slots into it unless you can specifically find something to support slot use for drones with these rules.

Now; how many mod points does Realistic Features require?

>>50719826
>Nope! You don't automagically gain a slot, they have only body 3. End of the line.
Except that on pg 152 it explicitly says that removing a feature gets you your slots back.

>>50719831
Mod points don't matter. It's only slots. As Yekka Himself said, All Chummer Content is RAW.

>>50719868
Built-in features have no mod slots to give back.

>>50719881
>Built-in features have no mod slots to give back.
Where exactly does it say that?

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>>50719881
>it's in the book
>not rules as written

>>50719619
you're looking at the optional drone rules, in which I don't believe realistic features costs slots, since the slots are derived differently. However they are a) OPTIONAL b) garbage. Using the mod in the later chapter, which what you use by RAW they realistic features costs slots. They don't work super well for drones (can't fit realistic features 4 in an i-doll, but you can fit a rigger coccoon wtf?) but they've what we've got.

>>50719990
>However they are a) OPTIONAL b) garbage.
1 out of 2 ain't bad. This is also a 50% accurate description without the optional rules, for vehicle mods when applied to drones.

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>>50719969
yes in the optional section at the front of the drone chapter, default is to use the later modding chapter for drones, which proves you 100% wrong.

>>50715582
My current character is a driver-type rigger with a Control Rig, Wired Reflexes, Reaction Enhancers, and a suped-up car with a chameleon coating, concealed armor, and a retractable suppresssed sniper rifle.

He plays like a halfway decent street samurai when out of his vehicle (automatic fire, decent Initiative, some soak) but when Jumped In to his car becomes a fucking driving machine, capable of insane stunts and the perfect getaway driver.

He even uses the car for its sensor suite (surveillance) and to provide overwatch/snipe marked enemies when possible.

All in all, I really enjoy it, and the only time I've ever touched drones is when I bough a Kanmushi and a Fly Spy for basic-ass remote control recon work.

Mind you, I've had characters go the other direction, being all about drone(s). But this one has been super fun to play.

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>>50720078
>yes in the optional section at the front of the drone chapter
>optional
Even if it is option, you can still remove Realistic Features 1 to gain another slot.

>>50720078
>still shitting out 'read the book', as though that's the problem

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>>50720087

I noticed that chummer5 now has a knowledge in the drop down list called "Corporation: whatever" that makes an academic skill appear.

Isn't it supposed to be street like it says in the core rulebook? Or is there something in another book I'm not aware of?

>>50720124
Well, it's either that or the problem is you. Take your pick.

>>50719892
Standard upgrade =/= modification, as far as Chummer is concerned. One of two circumstances is true here:

* Drones mod slots equal to their body, which means the i-Doll only has two Capacity remaining as Realistic Features (1) is already installed.

* Standard Upgrades have a mod cost of 0, as they're not Modifications to the base model.

Couldn't implement both systems easily, so we went with the one that's consistent with other systems (Racial qualities don't cost karma, built-in weapon mods don't consume mod slots or nuyen, etc.) and made them free.

>>50720138
The default Got changed to Academic in Run Faster. Keep in mind that you can always change those skills, they're literally just intended as examples.

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>>50717308
>>50717362
>>50717367
>>50717409
>>50718960
>Shiawase wageslave skilled in droid customization is commissioned to create a custom-order I-Doll
>Realistic Features 4, Pilot 6, loads of Software, naughty bits, the works
>it's as about as close as a drone can get to being a metahuman
>the technician, who had never been interested in women before, works very hard on his creation and ends up falling in love with the I-Doll
>he cannot stand to give her away to the customer
>he discretely calls Renraku, asking for a way out
>Mr.Johnson hires you to extract a wageslave and his drone....

>>50720194
A bunch of life modules in RF also lists them as Professional Knowledge. I see what you mean.

holy fuck the corps are so huge that each one is studied individually in academia without being considered a specialization

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>>50720258
>holy fuck the corps are so huge that each one is studied individually in academia without being considered a specialization
A terrifying prospect, no?

>>50720218
>I-Doll
>>Realistic Features 4
Read the thread. It doesn't work that way. You need something better.

>>50720320
Chummer, the book says RF 4 I-Dolls exist. Why can't accept an interpretation of the rules that allows for that I will never understand.

>>50720339
see >>50719615

>>50720320
According to the thread, it could go one of two ways, where the first level of Realistic Features doesn't cost mod slots and therefore can be done, or where it does and you're right.

Which is it? I'm pretty goddamn positive it's the former, and that you're a tremendous faggot.

Either way, the real point is that it can't get Pilot 6 without Body 6.

>>50720352
And yet when I look at the book, it says there are RF 4 models.

>>50720356
It can't be done in Chummer, and there's nothing saying you can or should be able to upgrade that regardless.
>>50720364
Only in one singular comment with nothing RAW to back that up, with more fluff suggesting that RF3 is all they're capable of.

>>50720379
>with more fluff suggesting that RF3 is all they're capable of.
Where? I'm looking at it right now, and, given that 4 isn't THAT hard a perception threshold to make, I see nothing that says RF 3 is the limit.

>>50720379
>with more fluff suggesting that RF3 is all they're capable of
Not that guy you're arguing with, but no, there's not one goddamn bit of fluff suggesting that RF3 is the max, just that it's the best-seller. It's completely fucking explicit that Rating 4 is an option offered and sold.

>It can't be done in Chummer
Yekka is not the final arbiter of Shadowrun's rules, he's just the guy who makes Chummer. Everything that is/isn't in Chummer - right or wrong - is the product of some nerd, not the Word of God on how things work.

>>50720405
>Where?

see >>50719615
R5 148
>>50720411
>It's completely explicit that Rating 4 is an option offered and sold.
One comment by one shadowrunner (That I should add contradicts the description -and- an earlier comment) does not equal 'completely explicit'.

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>using the vehicle modding rules for drones

>>50720431
>That I should add contradicts the description -and- an earlier comment
No it fucking doesn't. Why is this so fucking hard for you to accept?

>>50720452
>using the optional (and garbage) drone modding rules

>>50720431
> The Class 4 models are where Shiawase’s talent shows. Body temperature, replicated breathing, subtle facial expressions and body motion … they’re more real than real.
> Turbo Bunny
You're a turbo-faggot.

>>50720452
The drone mod chapter is explicitly optional, and super shit. Building the Perfect Beast is the official rules for both vehicle and drone mods, with The Automated Army's modding rules being strictly optional (and always a terrible choice).

>>50720467
>optional
The entire book is optional, omae.

>>50720491
No, the drone modding rules are specifically called out as being optional and the player's - rather than the gm's - choice:
>These rules provide detailed options for drones and can be used as an optional rules system for adding modifcations to them. Players who do not want to use a separate system can use the rules provided in the Building the Perfect Beast chapter (p. 150).

Building the Perfect Beast is the default mod system for drones, and The Automated Army is something that players, specifically, can choose to elect into.

>>50720470
Yeeep. Like I said, one comment, by one shadowrunner. Meanwhile....

The latest in a long line of humanoid robots from Japan, the i-Doll is perhaps the most customizable one yet. The core model is designed to be a domestic servant, doing the cleaning and the cooking as expected, but the big selling point is the “Build your own!” section of the Shiawase i-Doll website, where you can make it more lifelike, select personality traits, hair color, and so on as you see fit. Sometimes derided as “robo-girlfriends,” only the most expensive i-Doll models can even try to pass for human.

>can even try to pass for human
What suggests this more?

>Class 3 Dolls are as lifelike as synthetic cyberlimbs, but the usual problems, such as cold skin and eyes that aren’t quite right, really makes some people uncomfortable. Then again, they sell a ton of these, so what do I know?
>Sticks

Or that? Wash your mouth out with soap.

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>>50720512
None of that even begins to suggest that Class 3 is the maximum, and one of the comments explicitly states that 4 is available. This is a truly pathetic display of stretching a misreading of something to the tearing point, and you should be embarrassed by yourself.

Enjoy your award.

>>50720411
>Yekka is not the final arbiter of Shadowrun's rules, he's just the guy who makes Chummer.
Seriously though, this. The best I can ever say is that I try not to ignore the rules. Ghost knows I've been wrong about things before.

That said, until someone can cite RAW, errata or Word of God that standard upgrades count towards the rating for further modifications, I'm not going to change it.

>>50720556
>None of that even begins to suggest that Class 3 is the maximum,
Yes it does. Your denial doesn't matter.

>one of the comments explicitly states that 4 is available
How is that supported by RAW?

>>50720640
>How is that supported by RAW?
It works by the drone modification rules; clearly, it was written up with the drone modification rules in mind.

>>50720660
Right, this one and only instance was clearly written for the (awful and optional) rules in mind. Can you get a real source on this or are you just going to spew more refuse at me?

>>50720679
Anon, I don't know how else to say this, but you're retarded. The fluff says it exists and there's a means it can exist by RAW but for some reason you refuse to accept either.

>>50720698
It doesn't exist by Chummer.

>>50720660
They really need to shovel out errata out, so we can argue about other barely meaningful topics.

>>50720714
Chummer isn't Word of God, retard.

>>50720720
It's close enough. Go whine at him to support your precious Drone Modification rules.

>>50720726
>ignoring rules in the book itself because some nerd on the internet hasn't managed to implement them in his chargen tool yet

>>50720718
Post about it on the forums so we can get a hastily stapled-together forum errata.

>>50720718
If you want something else to argue about:

Priority A Adept with 6 MAG takes the Nosferatu quality and becomes a Mystic Adept.

Does the adept now have to pay for their power points, or are they still free?

One of the answers is going to make me cry!

>>50720511
>Implying the GM doesn't trump players

>>50720748
>using optional (and terrible) rules for the sake of one specific type of drone because some terribly-paid writer didn't think twice about their first draft of something and the underpaid editor couldn't care less to correct it

>>50720756
Since they already have, if you as GM make the player pay an extra karma tax on top of the shit they have to deal with getting vamped you may as well staple a 12" dildo to your forehead, because you're a massive dickhead.

>>50720768
>ignoring rules that make the mechanics line up with the fluff and screeching about how terrible the writers and editors are when someone points how obnoxiously stupid it is of you to do so

>>50720819
>whining

>>50720320
For a plot device, especially one that's a prototype who gives a fuck. (other than the Johnson planning to fuck his Waifu obviously).

Why are people so damn salty about this shit?

Obviously somebody is going to get a custom job for any drone that's hyper realistic human, use i-doll for the base or whatever, give it body 4 if fucking necessary. This is not something worth throwing a tantrum over.

Say it with me guys

"This is a game"

It is allowable for you to freaking change the damn rules, and sure as hell if it's a GM plot like >>50720218 lays out, then Rule 0, or the Golden Rule applies. What the GM says goes.

>>50720834
Yes, you are.

>>50720846
Touche.

>>50720819
>Continuing this stupid argument, rather than just ponying up the cash for the superior direktionsekkretar and upgrading it.

>>50720854
I don't care then, the entire crux of this was me asking for somebody to say something besides
>>50719443
>"lol just have the GM ignore everything".

If that was all, then that's fine. My issue was people whining that there was another way when there quite simply wasn't.

>>50720855
Nope.

>>50720874
dude, this is a strong case of 'somebody is wrong on the internet' as long as they aren't playing at your table who gives a damn?

>>50720883
see >>50720872

>actively gimping yourself
but why?

>>50720874
Nigger, three different Raw-compatible ways to get a RF 4 I-Doll have been pointed out to you, and you still insist it can't be done.

>>50720903
at this point the dude is just trolling, ignore him. Anybody reading the thread will see he's patently wrong.

>>50720580
Hey Yekka, I just checked out the drone modification rules in Chummer and I noticed that the drone armor modification doesn't work. Specifically when I add it to an i-doll, no matter the value or type (regular/restricted/etc) the armor value remains at 0 and when I go to look at the armor itself in the list, Chummer crashes. Any clue what's going on there?

>>50720903
>three
Nope. Only one.
>lying this hard

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Hey, for calculating Runner rewards, do Soak Dice count? Or is it only dice explicitly rolled AGAINST them?

>>50720928
>he's innumerate too

>>50720939
>he thinks "have the GM do everything" is a valid RAW reason

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>>50720928
Dude. You're wrong. Stop it. Get some help.

>>50720846
Actually, Mr. Johnson works for Renraku, so the wageslave gets to keep his robowaifu. Though for every situation one Mr. Johnson might hire you for an extraction, another Mr. Johnson might hire you to prevent an extraction.

Anyone here played Shadowrun in Fate? Any good?

>>50720956
>Y-You're wrong because I said so!

>>50720976
>because the book said so
FTFY

>>50720913
Oh, and also there doesn't seem to be a way to upgrade a drone arm's strength score.

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>>50720934

Soak generally doesn't count. It's dice pools for skills only AFAIK, so if an assassin targeting them has 18 Sneaking dice that he uses to get into position, or a mage has 14 Summoning, you'd use that, but Attribute-only pools like Soak or Defense tests wouldn't count.

>>50720756
I'm of the opinion that's only argued over because people irrationally hate Infected PCs, and want them to never be worth the cost.

>>50717773
Might as well bring back the fibre optic topic while we're this deep in shit.

So, a buddy of mine and I were talking, and I'd like y'all's opinion on something. Is an all Infected game feasible? More to the point, would it be fun? 5e, for reference

>want to be a machine ghost taking over entire buildings and pulling shodans
>deckers and AIs don't do that
>technomancers MAYBE can do that with enough sprites
>all of them take forever and aren't really worth it
poop and shit.

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>>50720971
I'm DMing a group that's never played Shadowrun before and I basically stole the entire setting and fluff to run a FATE campaign that's secretly a JoJo's Bizarre Adventure RPG set in 2050 (Neither I nor any of my players have read the manga, we only watched the Anime).

I left out The Awakening stuff, the alternate races, the Dragons, replaces instances of arcane magic with hamon and spirit magic with stand users (the group doesn't know they're playing a JJBARPG so right how Hamon is called 'Warlock Magic' and Stand Users are 'Ghost Trainers).

Actually... now that I'm writing about it in post it sounds absolutely nothing like Shadowrun and everything I thought I stole I've basically reworked into something else completely unrecognizable.

I guess I personally still feel like it's a Shadowrun clone because I used the Shadowrun 'verse as a starting point when I was putting this setting together...and I still use the named Shadowrun corporations, I guess that's kind of a big deal.

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>>50721168

It'd work better than a mixed group, I think.

Might as well go for it.

>>50721265
>it sounds absolutely nothing like Shadowrun
Yes.

>>50720905
I agree. He's retarded.

>>50720913
>>50721021
He killed it so people will bitch about that instead of if they can have their super realistic robotic waifu in a fucking PnP RPG.

>>50721152
plz no.

>>50721168
>Possible
Sure.

>Fun
Fuck if I know, I'm not you. Do it an find out if y'all like it.

>>50721152
Fuck no, I started that by daring to interpret a wholly mechanically undefined property differently to someone else. If this much autism can be wrung out of the realistic features thing, which is well defined (the rules are just stupid), if we start that up again it will never end.

>>50721410
>which is well defined (the rules are just stupid)
to be honest, that was my main point
was it worth arguing for hours? no.
don't be me, omae

>>50721044
Thanks, chummer.

>>50721168
It's viable, and you can specialise via infected type, too. You will run into problems escaping from spirits, though - you're all dual natured. (unless the ghoul burns out and takes cybereyes)

... Anyone willing to GM an Infected team via discord, roll20, other?

So, is the only way to get four arms to have a super special indian only fancy subrace?

Because that is an awful long way to go for four arms when cyber arms exist and cost a ton of essence. Why can't we just make that work?

>>50721490
I would. But I don't know if I'd have time (college and work). I've also never GM'ed 5e and it's been a few years (seven I think) since I GM'ed 4e.

>>50721525
IIRC the only way to get multiple cyber arms is if you dedicate a build to it or go full-bore and become a cyber-zombie.

>>50721525
I think you can just grab them (expensively) with surge.

>>50721587
>>50721579
well, either way, they're going to be cyberarms by the end.
How else are you going to spin your weapons all cool/dumb style?

>>50721599
Uh...max agi, rea, and then profit?

>>50721628
I don't think you can get the good 360 rotation shit without cyberlimbs.
Unless I am REALLY wrong about how stats work.

>>50721637
Well I'm just pointing out that agility and reaction generally are what constitutes overall dexterity.

>>50721678
yeah, I getcha.
But I'm totally making not-grievous over here.
And then I'm going to split all the dice pools and be wooooorthless

hooray!

>>50721694
In that case, suck your GM's dick so you can make a Cyber-zombie. That is basically exactly what greivous was.

>>50721750
God, I don't think I've ever met any GM that would let you play a cyber zombie.
I gotta make cheap discount knockoff brand grievous.

Are high edge builds viable?

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>>50721862
Extremely, yes. Edge is the best scaling stat by far.

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>>50721862
If you wanna talk minmaxing, Edge is one of the best builds in the game, and is also a lot of fun at the same time. Lots of tactical thinking involved when using it (unless you have Revels in Murder.)

I'm going to use automatics as a reference point here for why it's good.

So Minmax the Elf has his 12 AGI and 6 Automatics, plus 1 from a Reflex Recorder. 19 Dice. On average, you're gonna get about 6.3 hits per roll.

With Human McEdge, you have 6 AGI, 6 Automatics, plus 7 from your Edge when you spend it. That's 19 dice, which would average 6.3 hits per roll if you kept spending edge. Let's not forget that when you spend edge this way, you roll 6s again, so in theory this can get some crazy high numbers like 12 or so hits. And you ignore limits, so that 12 hits added on to the 11 damage of an Ares Alpha loaded with APDS going Complex Full Retard and you got yourself a dead fucking anything. On top of that, this is implying you don't use ware of power points to get attribute or skill bonuses. You can actually get 23-25 dice for automatics+edge if you build it right.

You can replace pretty much any skill and attribute for this example. Edge is a great bonus for anything. Edge faces pulling off cons or bedding VIPs. Edge shamans summoning force 12 spirits when they're cornered. Edge mages throwing Force 12 stun balls to knock out every motherfucker in the room. Edge deckers casually breaking into any device. Edge infiltrators turning fucking invisible even more so than they already can with how retarded stealth is. Edge riggers doing all the fucking things riggers do but edgily.

Furthermore, you can add that 7 Edge to anything instead of just your specialization. No more autistic street samurai... all the time, anyways. There's also that other cool shit like DYING 8 TIMES.

tl;dr: Edge can do everything everyone else can do better.

>>50721750
>That is basically exactly what greivous was.
Just a cyborg, omae. He was still alive.

> AI which develops when a high-end pilot pilot program gains sentience and resolves to become the greatest wheelman in the world
> Persona is Ork man in a nice suit, with features reminiscent of Jason Statham and Vin Diesel
> Communicates almost entirely in famous car movie quotes

Good idea or best idea

Do you guys use runnerhub?

>>50722474
He was just a heart and a brain in a robot body. That level of augmentation would make you a cyberzombie, since you can't seem to replace vital organs with cyberware, or at least they haven't bothered to stat them out and a shadowrun cybertorso is just a casing.

>>50722448
huh, I'll have to try a pure edge focused build... 7 edge out of the gate sounds hilarious.

>>50722448
Question about Edge.

When you die, do you burn it hard core? like it's literally gone? Or is it just "I used up one of my 7 spare lives but I'm still got 7 points bitches"

>>50722674
You burn a point of it, losing it until you purchase it again.

At 8 edge, it gets painful at 40 karma or some shit.

At 1 edge, it's fucking 5 karma and it's a free get out of jail meme card.

>>50722582
>He was just a heart and a brain in a robot body
Various organs in a synthskin bag nourished by various oils, and head.

>That level of augmentation would make you a cyberzombie
No level of augmentation "makes" you a cyberzombie, and to do this with cyberware is possible without killing the patient. It's *still* more viable as a cranial containment unit attached to a drone. aka a *cyborg*.

>>50722582
>He was just a heart and a brain in a robot body. That level of augmentation would make you a cyberzombie,
No, it'd make you a cyborg. They're literally just brains in jars.

>>50722708
>At 1 edge, it's fucking 5 karma and it's a free get out of jail meme card.
People abuse this, but I rarely see people expect burnt edge to work as written.

>The bullet still hits their head, and the grenade still goes off. Instead of dying, though, the character manages to keep breathing somehow and maintain a thin thread of a pulse, giving others a chance to stabilize her and hopefully provide some quick healing.
They're still alive, sure, but the relevant part there is 'chance to stabilise'. ie; they're not stable yet, and continue taking overflow damage. If aid doesn't quite make it in time, that's another point of edge or actual death.

>>50722448
Same anon

You can also use edge to make direct spells fucking awesome instead of kinda shitty. 19 spell dice vs at max 7 for a manabolt? Free kills.

But throwing a force 12 fireball with that shit still deals hyper damage so... do with that what you will. And as always. Use reagents.

>>50723020
True but rarely do I ever see somebody burn edge and then not beg the team to heal them and kill the guy that did it.

Man I'm so glad I started this idoll 4 thing before going to sleep. Also I do actually have one. Got it by simply asking "Hey GM can the RF 3 count as 4 with the basic one? Just want our ship AI to not be awkward when interacting with people." And he said "Yeah sure. Dont see anything bad with it" and I now recieve selfies of the crew having fun while we are on run and i didnt have to go on the internet to argue about it.

On a scale from 1 to 10 how "That Guy"-ish is it to take Weapon Personality?

>>50723045
True, but I'm more thinking of the shitlord instances we hear about here, where people bomb buildings and burn edge to survive, etc.

>>50723134
On a 1-10 scale of That Guy-ism, it's an apple. Has no bearing at all.

>>50723144
Good answer! Have an apple.

>>50721525
Fluff-wise, ASiST can't handle granting multiple sensory inputs if your brain can't already handle those inputs. Also, multiple arms is fucking useless.
>>50721021
Add cyberlimb plugin, customised strength.
>>50720854
Well, the argument started because Chummer doesn't represent it that way, and I generally insist on RAW/errata before I'll fuck with something.

now that I gave it a look the smartest antro drone can get with upgrade is the Juggernaut a 3m tall killing machine followed by MCT Kikai(ork sized,30 years old constructor bot) and CAD 7(med drone with human upper body and the lower body of centipede)
Meanwhile any vehicle bigger than segway can get pilot 6.

>>50721525
Drone arms that act independently are your best bet.

>>50723376
Since I'm planning on getting CAD-7 next session and brought it in chummer is the gear for it right?
In BB it was listed as having 2 drone arms, medkit 4, rigger adaptation and propulsion:walker. While in Chummer it have 2 drone arms and legs.

>>50723517
Doesn't have the medkit it's supposed to for some reason, everything else seems correct though.

>>50723540
well isn't walker the same as secondary propulsion:walker, meaning 4 to 8 legs? Or am I messing up the stuff ?

>>50723594
As far as I'm aware, that particular implementation means two arms, two legs. That setup is from loooooong before Rigger 5.0 came out.

>>50720761
Of course they do. The GM can overrule a player decision. But it's, in the first place, in the rules, a player choice of whether or not to use that subsystem, which the GM can then overrule.

>>50722480
Great idea.

>>50721168
>Is an all Infected game feasible?
For sure.

>More to the point, would it be fun?
Not even remotely. It'd be a gimmick that gets real old, real quick. It might be really great for a one-shot or something, though.

>>50721599
>well, either way, they're going to be cyberarms by the end.
Getting four cyberarms is going to cost you 4 Essence, on top of the nuyen costs. That's not just a bad investment, it's a stupid one.

>>50722618
>>50722448
>>50721862
As a quick note, humans can actually start with Edge 8 if you take the Lucky Quality. That's 8 dice added to rolls 8 times per run (assuming your GM is some kind of retard who doesn't give you back points of edge during play, because that's true in most cases I've seen) for a total of 64 extra dice per run.

Or spending it on rerolls for your bigger pools, or whatever. Edge is super useful.

Put that on an Adept and pick up some Qualities that get you Edge back faster and you're ready to play a character who, at first glance, just looks like some normal fucking dude doing incredible, impossible things non-stop.

>>50722480
9/10. It would be a 10/10 if it included an anthrodrone 'driver' which serves as its combat body, and bantered (with itself) like a badass action movie driver vs KITT from Knight Rider. Everyone just things it's an eccentric ork with a personality-software-enabled car, when really it's a single bored AI living out a personal dream.

>>50723134
There was this pilot for a TV show that never got made, featuring a crew performing a heist on a space station, and one of them had a smartass, sarcastic talking gun. For the life of me I can't remember what it was called. I wanted to post the pilot here.

>>50724332
https://vimeo.com/7963572
Slingers.

>>50724364
That's the one. Thank you. That's what I'd use as inspiration for a gun with a weapon personality system.

>>50724393
https://youtu.be/hRgmwsk5mEI?t=42

It's certainly one option.

>>50724364
>>50724416
>2076
>giving your guns female personalities when they're clearly representative of your dick
>not giving your guns the personality of your dick

>>50724555
What if my penis has a feminine personality?

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>>50724583

>compare Steel Lynx Combat Drone to Neonet Juggernaut
>Steel Lynx has 1 heavy weapon mount where Juggernaut has 2 standard and 2 1-shot grenades
>Steel Lynx has superior handling and acceleration
>other attributes are the same
>Juggernaut has 2 arms and 2 legs, where the Steel Lynx has 4 wheels
>Juggerrnaut has condition track of 11, Steel Lynx has condition track of 9
>Juggernaut costs 4 times what the Steel Lynx
Oh, wow, the Neonet Juggernaut deserves the shitting it gets from the peanut gallery. For what possible reason would I want a Juggernaut when I could buy 4 Steel Lynxes for the same cost?
>inb4 stairs, the peanut gallery also comments the Juggernaut often can't do stairs

>>50724868
You wouldn't - that's the point.

>>50724868
>why would I want something awesome when I can just get four times as much of something that isn't awesome?

It's like you don't even understand style, omae.

Is Decrease [Attribute] as overpowered as it seems?

What's the point of a Satellite Uplink? When would anyone ever be trying to control a drone from more than 100m away?

>>50725171
>100m
More than 100km, rather.

>>50725069
>awesome
You could get multiple i-dolls or even direktionssekretars for the same price as a single juggernaut, and they're way better. Even a super tricked out RF4 one, whether via drone modification rules or vehicular ones, comes out a lot cheaper.

>>50724416
Is that gun ... Australian?

>>50721525
Just use a fleet of small drones instead.

>>50725171
>not getting comfy by your fireplace while your fellow runners are killing themselves on the field

>>50725311
You can do that from less than 100km away. The Satellite Uplink only has an effect when you're 101+km away from where your drone(s) are operating.

>>50725242
both of those are old news son. CAD-7 is where the real deal is. Not only does it come cheaper, with snake fingers, medkit and autodoc feature but you can also upgrade it to RF 4 and Pilot 5 with ease.

>>50725167
I don't really see in what way it is overpowered

>>50725360
>CAD-7
The what now?

>>50725171
>>50725175
Off the top of my head, when you need a drone doing something in Vancouver at the same time you need another drone to be doing something in Tacoma. I wouldn't be surprised if there's some security systems that in order to be bypassed require certain physical triggers that are vast distances apart to be activated simultaneously.

>>50725444
Shiawase Caduceus "CAD" 7 anthro drone pr the best dronewaifu candidate so far

>>50725521
Note: by "Tacoma" I actually mean "Portland"

>>50725382

Average person has 2-3 in a stat

Standard spellcasting roll of 16 vs 4-6 dice to permanently neutralize someone in a non-lethal manner with minimal drain

>>50725530
Was that added in a recent book? I'm not caught up past Rigger 5.0.

>>50725550
thing though is that it is touch ranged
sure, an adept with adept spell or a sneaky mage could probably reach them and use it
but why though? why not just use something like a stun baton/glove/SnS?
why risk getting perforated on the way there if you can just cast stun bolt/ball and stun ALL OF THEM AT ONCE?
Decrease [Attribute] seems more useful for interrogation where you can just lower their WIL

I like to use pretty much whatever I can lay my hand on as a weapon. My personal favorite was that time I used a cup of burning hot coffee and that helped me save a whole motherfucking plane that was being taken over by Humanis. Another story for another time, but since then I forgot how we ruled the actual thing (burning hot coffee to the face). Someone got an idea on how much damage it should do and what stat to use? I was thinking "Throwing weapons" but I'm not sure.

>>50725604
Bullets and Bandages.
Also here is what you do:
1) get CAD-7
2)Upgrades: Pilot, RF4, Personality?, Smuggling Comparment. Someone said dropping a single point in attribute to increase other so use that to get Pilot 6. So far the drone is looking metahuman, acting like one and can default on skills with dicepool of 4-5.
3) Get Triox UberMensch loaded it with autosofts, skillsofts, knowledgesoft, languagesoft, softsoft, whatever. It can run 8 autosofts. Stuff it into the smuggling compartment and plug it directly into CAD. Your drone now have 8 or more skills with dicepool of 12.
4) Clothes, armor and weapons.
5)proffit

>>50725796
also forgot about step 6:
cry as the dm takes control of Cad from you as its count as AI NPC now

>>50725822
>cry as the dm takes control of Cad from you as its count as AI NPC now
Isn't that kind of the point of building a robowaifu?

>>50725604
It's from Bullets and Bandages. An Anthroform drone with Body 5 for only 16,500 nuyen.

It has a major downside compared to the Direktionssekretar, though. The Direktionssekretar is Speed 4 and Acceleration 2, while the CAD-7 is Speed 2 and Acceleration 1. That means that the CAD-7 has a 20m/turn combat running speed, while the Direktionssekretar has an 80m/turn combat running speed.

On top of that, it starts at Pilot 2, rather than Pilot 4 like a Direktionssekretar, meaning you need to drop an extra 20k nuyen on Pilot 4 if you want it to be starting at about the same level as a Direktionssekretar.

It has a higher theoretical maximum when it comes to Pilot, and its Body 5 supports extra mod slots, so if you're looking for either a long-term investment or something you intend to serve a very metahuman role when you're Jumped In, it's a solid choice. But right out the gate, the Direktionssekretar is faster, smarter, and better, and some of those are gaps which are either prohibitively expensive or impossible to close.

>>50725796
>Someone said dropping a single point in attribute to increase other so use that to get Pilot 6.
That wouldn't work. You can only do that in The Automated Army's mod system, which would prohibit you from getting a lot of the other stuff you're talking about, because of how limited mod points are using that subsystem. In Building the Perfect Beast, you'd be stuck with Pilot 5 at maximum.

>>50725868
Its sensor array is worse too, chummer.

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>>50725868
>>50725873
So what you're saying is that we need a Realistic Features Juggernaut in order to also have a Pilot 6 anthrodrone that isn't Automated Army trash.

>>50725868
sadly unless it was errated Pilot Enchancment replace the old Pilot Raing so R5 cost the same on Pilot 2 and on Pilot 4.

Are there hooker riggers that make a living by jumping into these robowaifus and giving a better performance than a specialty program can?

>>50725899
3-4 meters tall troll/giant waifu it is

>>50725915
Like I said, it costs an extra 20k nuyen. Pilots of Rating 4+ cost New Rating*5k nuyen.

>>50725927
We need a numbercruncher to work out the ceiling on what a pilot program can achieve in artisan (sex), and how much better a rigger could do.

>>50725929
my bad misread it. But still you either spend half of your Resource A on a single drone for P5 RF4 or dont try at all.

>>50725832
>not taking control yourself and monologuing at all times
Omae...

>>50725999
>monologuing
Chummer....

>>50725899
>>50725928
Even a Juggernaut doesn't have enough Slots for both Realistic Features 4 and a Smuggling Compartment to stash an RCC. By RAW, though, it could run the autosofts itself, with up to 3 (Pilot/2) active at one time by RAW, or 6 (Pilot) active at one time by RAI.

According to a writer for Rigger 5.0, they'd intended to include a new rule where drones can have up to their Pilot total autosofts running at one time, instead of just Pilot/2, because of all the new autosofts they added.

>>50725963
>>50725927
Doesn't sound cost-effective when Bunraku dolls are already a thing.

>>50725963
>We need a numbercruncher to work out the ceiling on what a pilot program can achieve in artisan (sex), and how much better a rigger could do.
Drones always cap out at 12 dice (Pilot 6, Autosoft 6) unless it's an action that lets you substitute a drone limb's Agility or you start adding Machine Sprites to the mix.

>>50725868
>>50725873
On top of its sensor array, initial Pilot, and movement speed being worse, there's more! A drone's cyberlimbs start at an Agility equal to their BASE (not modified) Pilot score. That means that the highest you can Customize a CAD-7's cyberlimb Agility is 4.

The Direkteionssekretar starts at Agility 4 (it costs 40k in upgrades to get a CAD-7 up to Agility 4), it can be modified to up to Agility 8.

That means that in order to get the Pilot 4 that a Direktionssekretar starts with, and the Agility 4 that a Direktionssekretar starts with, you're looking at a total cost of 75,500 nuyen, including the cost of the base drone, with no room to further upgrade its Agility and a dramatically worse movement speed.

It can be upgraded to a higher theoretical maximum Pilot, but it's not the hot new shit.

I can see them filling certain purposes, but 'competition for the Direktionssekretar' is not one of them.

>>50724364
You can't Customize a Drone Limb if you're using an AI character. All you get are essence holes/antiholes as options.

Need stats for burning hot liquid to the face. It's for a Run. We got a very stupid idea and it involves water pistols. Need to make our case for the GM. It'll be glorious we swear

In your games, would you let someone whose drone has a Nanomaintenance System just buy hits every (number of hours needed to accumulate 4+ dice) instead of rolling every hour?

Like, say, instead of rolling 1 die every hour, you just buy 1 hit every four hours?

I'm looking for feedback on whether I should approach my GM with this.

>>50726298
Divide the temperature in celsius by 30, that's how many points of physical damage it does. And impact armour counts as half, same as fire damage.

>>50726351
During downtime, sure. If there's a time crunch, you'd be rolling that shit.

>>50725899
What the hell is with this rabid hatred for the drone modification rules? By vehicle modification rules, most drones can't even have their speed, acceleration or handling upgraded at all and those that can can only upgrade a single one of them, a drone can't have Realistic Features higher than its Body and can't have more than half its Body in Armor added on. Meanwhile, by drone modification rules, you can increase Armor by 3 and every other attribute except Body by 1 before it starts taking up mod points and RF doesn't even cost mod points. The only reason I can see to favor vehicle modification rules is that they're marginally better for installing big weapon mounts, and why you'd want to install big weapon mounts on anything other than a rotodrone is beyond me.

>>50726404
Much obliged, I was afraid we'd have to kill kids, we're only going to severly traumatize them. It's alright. They're Corp Kids. They eat other kids for munchies.

>>50726419
Nanomaintenance systems are more of a downtime mechanic anyway. During crunch time, you'll use them for the bonus dice on a repair roll of your own, rather than just letting them do their own thing.

>>50726575
True, but if, say, your drone fell off a cliff and the only way to retrieve it before the sun rises and the corp kill teams find it is hoping the autorepair kicks in, you better believe I wouldn't let you buy those successes.

>>50726590
Fair, and not the sort of thing I'd be looking for anyway.

Why are cyber hearts and super oxygenization systems not a bgger deal?
One of the most important things you could upgrade about yourself is bloodflow and quality, literally all our systems would benefit from such an implant. But it is not even a thing in shadowrun.

>>50722474
Arguably a cyber-zombie is still alive as they retain a soul.

>>50722913
>>50722941
Once you go below 0 essence you either die or become a cyber-zombie. Becoming the zombie requires magic and other shit to keep you "alive". If you replace the head, torso, both legs, and both arms, you'll come out to about 6+ essence used. Depending on quality. Now that's just to get basic chrome, not mention of upgrading other shit. Plus as I recall, in order to start working more arms, you'll need to pay even more essence (and nuyen) to get more than two cyber arms attached. So yeah, you'll need to be a cyber-zombie.

>>50727081
Why is it that a full body cyberization costs less essence than your arms, legs, and torso?

>>50727171
Highly unofficial opinion here: because if you've got a full body cyberization, you're effectively a rigger who's in an anthromorphic drone 24/7.

Is there a definitive source for lore in 5e? I had a neat character concept for two people to play simoultaneously, but I'm new to the game and I know what is and isn't still Canon.
As long as Crash 2.0 still happened because Deus lost his shit and blew up the stock exchange, it should work out fine.

>>50727236
Read 4e "Sixth World's Almanach". It's the most comprehensive summary of what the fuck happened in the SR-verse.

How viable is it to play an amnesiac shamanistic partially-cyberized mystic adept decker?

>>50727297
I hope you don't think this stupidity passes for humor.

>>50727309
Woah, what's your problem? I'm curious about a build.

>>50727322
Oh, shut up the fuck up. You deliberately came up with the most retarded thing you could think of and posted it because you're too childish to realize that not all absurd things are funny.

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>>50727352
Preach it, brother. We all know there's nothing like that in Shadowrun canon.

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>>50727362
Thank you for posting that, I was about to go all autism on a guy having the gall not to play snes shadowrun.

>>50727056
>But it is not even a thing in shadowrun.

>Synthacardium: Artifcially enhanced myocardium allows cardiovascular functions to be performed more effciently, enabling the heart to keep the blood better oxygenated. The synthacardium adds its Rating as a dice pool bonus to your tests using skills in the Athletics skill group.

>OXYGENATED FLUOROCARBONS (BLUE BLOOD, P4MO)
>Vector: See below
>Speed: 1D6 hours
>Duration: 1 week
>Addiction Type: Physiological
>Effect: +1 Agility, double the amount of time character can hold his breath

I mean, you can argue that it's not a sufficient set of bonuses, but an upgraded heart boosts your Gymnastics, Running, and Swimming, and the super oxygenation drug gives you +1 Agility for an entire week.

>>50727685
Yeah, I'd probably make that argument.
I feel like boosting your circulation should be as beneficial as boosting your initiative, if not in the same way.

>>50727724
Ah, I get you.

In that case, it's nonsensical horseshit.

Your circulation has massive long-term effects when it comes to your health and lifespan, but in the short-term, game-mechanical sense, it's almost definitely only worth minor athletic bonuses. At most, I'd refluff the Suprathyroid gland to be what you want - in which case you get +1 to all physical attributes and a boost in your metabolism.

But as beneficial as boosting initiative? That's fucking retarded, sempai.

>>50727056

Because they're what TVTropes would call boring but practical. Sure, every bodily system could theoretically benefit from improvements to the circulatory system, it just isn't as flashy as cool robot arms.

Also, there might be some issues about the partial pressure of oxygen in the bloodstream with some sensitive organs like brain tissue. Like how you can die by drinking so much water that it causes cytolysis is brain tissue

>>50727634
>I was about to go all autism on a guy having the gall not to play snes shadowrun.
What are you, 50? I was just learning to walk when that game came out. Granted, there's nothing stopping me from downloading an emulator for it nowadays, but I'm having far too much fun with Mechwarrior right now to bother.

>>50727992
>Not playing shadowrun while learning to walk

Shaaaame

>>50727813
I think it should be pretty fucking important. It is the primary means of fueling your body, after all.

Well, that and your lungs.

>>50727362
just because he's canon doesn't mean he's not retarded

>>50727821
I feel incredibly practical things are passed over a lot in shadowrun.

Like, nobody gets sleep regulators, even though that shit is invaluable.

>>50728411
>Like, nobody gets sleep regulators, even though that shit is invaluable.
Sleep Regulator, Digester Endosont, and Clean Metabolism would be my shit.

How do you make a ghoul in Chummer?

>>50728828
ghouls are a quality in chummer

>>50728841
Gracias.

>>50728707
I don't see why everyone doesn't have those.
So practical!

>>50728828
>>50728841
>>50728876
Huh, it looks like the attribute bonuses from being a ghoul aren't getting stacked with augmentations in Chummer.

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>>50729261
>>50729261