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Iron Within! Iron Without!

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>>50686731
>Rolled 17 (1d18)
Well met, Raven Brothers. Honour to you, sorry about us trenchheads not understanding your sneaking tactics.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/q315zmyjntb4j04/LA+Exploitable+v1.pdf

THIRD FOR GLORIOUS CUSTODES

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>>50686750
I choose without

>>50686813
You warm my beakie heart.

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>>50686886
It's a curious angle, it makes it look like he has no hips.
>>50686899
The SoH used the DG as an anvil while they were a teleporting spearhead
The IWs can use be tha anvil while the WEs are their chainaxe, their forward element.

I wonder who were the RG's anvil to their alternate-deployment furious hammer, especially after the Gate 42 since Corax swore he'd never serve alongside the SoHs and IWs again.
Even though that's bullshit, they're both Fellow Warriors, but you get the idea. Maybe the Wolves?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1IC7K_AJ9k

>>50687044
its 3rd ed art despite its problems i like it

>>50687044
Corax/Russ confirmed?

>>50687044
Salamanders and Iron Hands post Massacre. Might have been more Meduson tactics though. Some loyalist IW later on, but by then it was more blend them into squads and fight the RG way.

In the books RG and Wolves dont have a good relationship. A Watch Pack was sent to Deliverance but fell to the Wulfen and the 2nd Gen Raptors murder-I MEAN FOUND THE WATCH PACK MYSTERIOUSLY DEAD.

>>50687089
>Watch packs
Nobody ever likes them, anon, but it was Russ who broke the fight between Corax and Perturabo.
I wonder about those early-mid Crusade ages, where the Exemplary battles are set. I like them the most.

>>50687077
Well you did get dubs, and doesn't Corax save Russ at the Wolf Cull or something?

>>50687044
Legions are not singular entities. The Raven Guard used whatever contrasting forces they were operating alongside, whether that be Imperial Fists, Death Guard, Salamanders, or heavy armor Imperial Militia.

>>50687137
What even happened to the Watch Pack sent to meet up with Lion?

>>50687159
Not sure, but as >>50687137 pointed out Russ was the one to break up birb's fight with Pert. Pretty uncharacteristic of him.

>>50687302
Actually, now that I think of it from a philosophical aspect, I can see native Raven Guard and Death Guard getting along. Both broke free from tyrannical overlords on their home world and I can certainly see some Raven Guard leaning more towards the "strength through endurance" belief. Or Death Guard taking up the, "Never in chains again" belief.

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>>50687349

> all the shadows start emitting phosphex

In one of the horus heresy books (I can't remember which, it's the one where angron gets himself buried under a load of rubble while the warhound titan does a decent job of murdering lorgar until angron pulls a diglet and fucks its shit up) a warhound is described as having a series of chin mounted bolters, though I can't remember if they were normal or heavy.

I think that's practical and would look cool, so I want to - for purely modelling purposes - put some underneath the cockpit on mine. My question is what type of bolter and how many do you think would be right.

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>>50687349
>>50687401
Corax, you fucking whore.

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>>50686750
They should change it to be "iron outside" as in, "iron outside the palace walls and never ever getting in."

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>>50687089
The few remaining Salamanders is likely. Iron Hands are less likely, as they were still bitter and lumped some of the blame of Ferrus' death on the Raven Guard and Salamanders (even though Vulkan went missing and Corax barely escaped).

So Haar, The Riven Hound can be taken in any loyalist army but he doesn't have rules about treating him as an ally and I dont see anything in the base 30k rules about different LA rules counting as different 'factions'. So am I correct in thinking he can embark in transports from the detachment he's in? Unlike Knight Errants that count as Agents of the Emperor.

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All this shattered legions talk gets me thinking:

Do I want to start a shattered legions army using Meduson, Jurr, and Maun for maximum 'Pretty models" or wait til Feb and start 1ksons?

>>50687458
>Imperial Fags are this delusional
Iron Warriors breached the walls of the Imperial Palace. Get over it.

>>50687574
I'm painting red and gold marines, I'll decide later if they're BA or TS.

>>50687512
The largest contingent of Raven Guard are with Corax, who were operating almost solely alongside Imperial Army forces.

>>50687401
Thats sounds like Pale Nomads Modus Operandi

>>50687574
Depends. You can do pretty much anything with an SL army, but IIRC aren't they "your opponent must agree", and you might get sick of them for their relative lack of uniformity. Plus don't they have rules where you can only embark models onto a vehicle of the legion they're from?

But with one legion you'll be tempted to paint models of other legions, without having any use for them, or if you do play multiple legions, that exponentially increases the budget and work you have to put in for a fraction of the completeness that you get from having just one legion for all your dudes.

>>50687401
I just got a shadow-boner

>>50687159
Yup, corax saved him, then decided to an hero in battle along with the mutant raptors. Then he decided it was a stupid idea and left.

>>50687658
Yeah, the RG operated mostly alone for the rest of the heresy, their tactics went full guerilla and on a smaller scale.

They also took in loyalist from other legions to join their cause. There's a neat story about a RG and a NL operating operationally together

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>>50687698
>your opponent must agree
The people I play against are for rule of cool. If anything I think it would be a fun army to paint and collect. Plus its not like im going to us RG apoths to infiltrate graviton gun support squads everywhere. I'm a "My dudes story" kind of player.

>you might get sick of them for their relative lack of uniformity.
Nah I love Ad Hoc formations. My current RG is themed as one big one.

>Plus don't they have rules where you can only embark models onto a vehicle of the legion they're from?
I think they do, but in a roundabout way. They treat each other as allies, and in 30k you cant embark in allied transports no matter what. Which, especially in SL, is stupid.

>But with one legion you'll be tempted to paint models of other legions, without having any use for them, or if you do play multiple legions, that exponentially increases the budget and work you have to put in for a fraction of the completeness that you get from having just one legion for all your dudes.

My RG are complete minus a Thunderhawk that I'm going to kit-bash to 'top off' the collection. 10k points of beakies is plenty ha.

I love the pyroclast and IH models/upgrades so I want to collect them. SL gives me that avenue.

But I can see a 1kson army in my head and it's really pretty.

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>AdMech in charge of building designs

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>>50687591
>*not even the inner sanctum of the Palace with the aid of 4 more legions than the defenders, countless daemons, and Big E going full retard against the advice of his most loyal son

lmao I can see why IW are so touchy and bitter when the two largest battles they fought in end with "evidently they were not Iron enough to actually finish the job".

>>50687785
Oh, so you're well-established then!
I thought you were coming from the perspective of starting a main force.

I'd say go for the 1KS definitely. You sound driven for it and attracted by the concept more definitely than by the shattered legions, which you'd be able to make on an ad-hoc basis depending on whichever other legion's units you wanted to make at any given moment.

Plus you might be able to incorporate the 1KS into your shattered legion in future. [spoiler/]Knowledge is power, fater all.

>>50687412
How well do the Dark Talon's hurricane bolters fit under a Warhound's chin?

>>50687719
Why is Corax such a slut?

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>>50687841
Bronze Civilians on suicide watch.

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>>50687320
:^)
>>50687453
You did save it.

>>50687044
>wolfandraven
Sorry, did I hear Pale Nomads and Luna Wolves?

>>50687304
>What even happened to the Watch Pack sent to meet up with Lion?

Videopict reconstruction of post incident [REDACTED] regarding the whereabouts of Watch Pack #[Null entry]:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9py90Ve4g0
[The Lion]: Now, let's go over it again, just so we got it straight: no Watch Pack ever came.
[Zahariel]: Nope. Just a lot of guns. And bits, little bits. Chainaxes.
[The Lion]: What happened to the Jarl?
[Nemiel]: Well, we lost him when a flaming Stormbird come down on him...
*Cypher hits him with his parasol*
[Nemiel]: Uh, missing.
[The Lion]: Thaaat's right. And the Wolf Priest?
[Zahariel]: Nervous breakdown. You could say he went all to pieces.
[Nemiel]: In fact, you could say he was transmogrified and then busted into a zillion...*ahem* he's missing too.
[The Lion]: What about champion?
[Corswain]: Went down with the ship.
*Luther starts burying himself in suspicious scrolls*
[Zahariel]: Oh Emperor, give me strenght.
[The Lion]: I'm going to miss that boy. At least he's in a better place now.

>>50688178
Hey, you're right too. Turns out the Ravens went from wolf to wolf.

>>50687841

To be fair, the entire siege plan hinged on combined arms warfare with the World Eaters at the vanguard. Once most of the traitors decided to party somewhere else, the siege devolved into a shit-flinging contest where Big E is busy applying super glue to the Webway, Horus is counting the days until Guilliman arrives to rape him in the ass with the angriest mob of Smurfs the multiverse has ever seen, and Dorn is just smoking cuban cigars on the palace walls and occasionally taking a golden piss all over dead IW bodies from 50 stories high.

Should the traitor Primarchs really have the Adamantium Will USR?
Seems to me that their wills were actually pretty weak and they readily got broken.

>>50688277
Come on, anon, don't you want them to scream the witchery away? Especially Mortarion.
Daemon Primarchs Angron and Mortarion were turned against their will, and Mortarion by Nurgle himself. No Deny the Witch would help you on that one.

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>>50688228
>Turns out the Ravens went from wolf to wolf.
They weren't really ravens the first time. More like those quite XIX guys that rubbed dirt on their face and was really good at murder.

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>>50688277

>>50688308

Mortarion rolled 6s for like half a century and then said fuck it.

>>50688228
>Turns out the Ravens went from wolf to wolf.

T-that doesn't mean the Ravenlord was a whore or anything.

Y-you don't know C-corax, idiot!

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>>50687878
>>50687412

That's a really good question. Unfortunately I couldn't find my dark talon (or my blutack) so I grabbed my corvus instead, I'm not so sure what to think. Here's an awkward picture, really would like my blutack back.

>>50687304
You'd have to be fucking insane to think that the Dark Angels would tolerate Space Wolf babysitters. Even if you buy into the narrative that DA were completely loyal, they'd kill the wolves on principle.

>>50687401
Maybe this is what Phosphex bombs look like...
>>50687458
No, Iron within. Within you. Because we shot you to hell :^)
>>50687841
Isn't the Inner Sanctum basically a Zones Mortalis several kilometers deep? You simply can't ride the ironfire there, anon.
>>50688309
So, Xerics marines joined the Luna Wolves, but when those wolves stopped caring about Wolfhood, the fully grown Ravens vowed to never be like they used to be...and followed the new Space Wolves, essentially getting a new husbando legion just like their ex that they totally are over with, for realsies this time? Gotcha :^)
>>50688341
Your words, not mine :^)

>>50688428
I thought it wasn't that bad of a feud.

>>50688428
Why did the Space Wolves seem to only go babysit the loyal legions?

>>50688341
>went from a loving an accepting wolf to a wolf that's a drunk and is hiding behind an act

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>>50688456
They were too scared of the real Wolves :^)

>>50688341
>>50688441
>>50688460


Corvus

Is

A

Slut

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>>50688366
>Upside down phone takes upside down picture in the land down under.
Australiaception. Good one m8

>>50688444

Its not, but this is the only way to hype up the feud. Events prior to the latest Woof book had the Dark Angels about to exterminatus the Space Wolves into a renegade space-based fleet chapter, then the next one the darkies conveniently fuck off and the Woofies live to fight another die.

how's this list for a 2500 crimson path:

HQ
Kharn the Bloody, Gorechild 190
Gahlan Surlak 110
Damocles Command Rhino 100

Elites
-Apothecarion Detachment (2 with AA) 110
-8 Marksmen Vets, Sgt with AA/Fist, Rhino with Multimelta, 223 pts
-8 Marksmen Vets, Sgt with AA/Fist, Rhino with Multimelta, 223 pts
-5 Red Butchers, Devoured with 2 Chainfists, 295 pts

Troops
-10 Legion Inductii, Sgt with AA/Fist, 150 pts
-10 Legion Inductii, Sgt with AA/Fist, 150 pts

Heavy Support
-3 Jetbike Sky Slayers, Multimeltas, 165 pts
-Deredeo with Autocannons/Aiolos Missiles, 220 pts

LoW
-Stormlord, Space Marine Crew, 1 x Sponsons, 555 pts

2491/2500

will Armored Ceramite fuck me?

>>50688495
>with upsidedown chin bolters.
we must go deeper

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>>50688569
We go full Emu

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>>50688467

>Be XVI Legion
>Go to Luna to pacify gene cults
>Do so in a decisive strike
>Gene cults beg the emperor to call off his WOLVES
>Be the first Legion to get an official name and not have it changed by your Primarch
>Win first battle of the Great Crusade

Being a Luna Wolf is Awesome

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Fill in the text bubbles with HH related text just like the Goofy and Micky comic.

>>50688542
I did read it but I don't know. Tell me your plan, what goes inside the Damocles?

On an unrelated note, does anybody know what to put inside a LR Proteus with Explorator Augury?

>>50688481
Takes one to know one I guess.

>>50688456
Because the traitor legions didn't waste any time putting down docile dogs.

>>50688542
Outside the chainfists there seems to be no way you can crack a pimped spartan. Any plans for that ?

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>>50688588
>Being a Luna Wolf is Awesome
Horus was the best of them, which made his fall all the more painful.

>>50688599
>Iron within.
>Iron without.

>3v8 still can't win lmao

>Traitors out.

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>>50688599

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>>50688666
What did each legion do on the Siege, Satan trips?

I remember the SoH, IW and DG were actually doing the siege while the EC were busy making Soylent Drugs, and the only thing I know about the WS is they captured one of the spaceports.

>>50688588
>Be Luna Wolves
>When people talk about the Wolves you know they mean the Space Wolves and not you.
>Change your name to the Sons of Horus because you can't compete in Wolfishness so you ride on the coattails of your primarch who is only renowned because he happened to be found first
>Even he fails so change your name again to Black Legion out of shame

>>50688691
Thousand Sons were also there last time I checked, having a good time chucking spells at loyalists. But no doubt that'll change with the inevitable retconns

>>50688666
Thanks, Satan.
>>50688681
I'm too tired. I don't get it.

>>50688691
>What did each legion do on the Siege

Fists held the walls.
Angels held the gates.
Scars reaved outside.

Traitors tried and traitors died.

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>>50688711
>who is only renowned because he happened to be found first
Dude, everybody liked him, except maybe Corax, and he was First among equals, you heard what both Sanguinius and Russ commented about him.
I mean, even Perturabo and Mortarion like him, and those guys like no one.

>>50688801
I recall hearing somewhere that even Kurze and Angron talked to him about issues. Pre-Heresy Horus was a bro to all, human and post-human alike

>>50688456
Watchpack fates, if I remember correctly
>Blood Angels
They were on Signus for a while but ultimately had to split.
>Alpha Legion
Oh how terrible, they seem to have crashed their Thunderhawk with no survivors.
>Raven Guard
Tragically, reported killed in action by the Raptors...if you know what I mean.
>Imperial Fists
Standing on a wall somewhere on Terra.
>Ultramarines
Maintaining a dignified sentry position on the floor outside of Guilliman's office.
>Night Lords
Lasted about 14 seconds. The NL sent the one they left alive to Sol for shits and giggles.

>>50689032
For how big Space Wolves talk themselves up the get shit on pretty hard in the lore.

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>>50689075
They're basically Mortarion the legion. Except they can brush off any attempts at diginity theft and keep their diginity.

>>50689104
>Mortarion the legion. Except they can brush off any attempts at diginity theft and keep their diginity.
Don't bully the reaper :(

>>50689104
Knowing Mortarion he probably considers getting shit on a compliment.

>>50689032
>>Night Lords
>Lasted about 14 seconds. The NL sent the one they left alive to Sol for shits and giggles.
Kek where can I read about this?

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>>50689120
Mortarion knows I'm not trying to bully him, and he knows I don't fear him. He'll probably just try drinking himself to death. Maybe I'm letting my headcanon of Morty having some meta awareness about how BL treats go too far.

>>50689075
SWs have a lot more bark than their bite. For all their reputation as fearsome vikings, they embody the drinking aspect the most: willing to pick a fight with anyone, but that doesn't mean they can follow through on the ass-kicking they envisioned 5 kegs ago.

>>50689145
The Watcher. It was an audio a few years back, dunno if it's been turned into text yet. Also features that Thousand Son Knight Errant that appears to randomly exist.

>>50689174
>Audio
Eww. I'll see if I cant find it but only because that sounds hilarious.

>>50689174
>Half of the Knights Errant are already dead
Hope we get to see the others do something neat before the end. Other than Garro, obv he has some baller fate lined up for him.

>>50688608
The Damocles rides by itself, I wanted it for the orbital bombardment and the +1 to reserve rolls so I can outflank with the sniper vets and jetbikes on turn 2

>>50688620
pimped out chainfists would be a problem, coming up from behind or the sides with jetbikes and the rhinos with multimeltas flanking. that and the two lascannons on the stormlord but yeah if a guy brings multiple flare shielded spartans I'm probably fucked.

>>50689174
>Thousand Son Knight Errant that appears to randomly exist.
You mean Revuel Arvida or is there another?

>>50689249
Probably going to have him either die to Horus or drag the emperor back with down and stand guard over the throne.

>>50689321
and by chainfists I totally meant spartans

Have an unbuilt venerable boxnaught lying around.

What's a good use of it, feeling free to factor in options that aren't contained in the box (ie: Forge World weapon arms)? And if you think magnetisation is worth it, do you have a link to a guide for the method you prefer? There's so many and it's hard to tell what are quick-and-easy methods versus the maximum-utility methods.

Aesthetically I'm interested in the Plasma Cannon, but I'm open to any tactical usage with any loadout.

>>50690931
flamestorm, chainfist with melta in a pod. no matter who you face there's something it can do.

>>50689032
More specifically, the ones with the Blood Angels suffered an unfortunate case of being in the way of Nassir Amit.

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>>50688758
>>50687841
>>50687458

Delusional much, Imperial Farts fanbois?

pic related is the original WD source material to educate you about your palace walls, your terran fortress monastery, all of dorn's former claims about siegecraft and your asses getting rekt during the siege of terra by Perturabo and the Iron Warriors legion (a.k.a.: superior 2u), compiled and highlighted for even you to understand. If you need further help with words or how to get their meaning from letters, don't be afraid to ask.

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He look /tg/
Im an engineer, that means I solve problems
But I got a problem I cant fix, I cant pick a darn legion

>>50691766
>Managed to get into the palace
>Still lost
Makes you wonder why IWs even bother.

>>50691766
wait what?
I thought perty didnt make it to Terra
or is this another BL retcon?

>>50691766
Wait so did they set up artillery inside the monastery and then shell themselves?

>>50691780
Loyalist IW

>>50691780
EC.

>>50691766
>original WD source material
Oh anon, don't you know that BL will probably have plans written up to retcon that by now?

But, joking aside, one of the core moments of the siege in Sanguinius holding the Eternity Gate, which is really deep in the palace (being the door to the throne room and all). For the traitors to get that deep, they must have got past the walls.

>>50691780
Do you want a legion that's into engineering? Iron Warriors/Imperial Fists and Iron Hands would be the classic choices, for civil and mechanical engineering respectively. Salamanders could also be a possibility if you consider metallurgy to be engineering. But I'd say the Hands are the most engineer-y of the legions overall.

>>50691780
> Ferrus Manus swings his hammer at Sicarans to fix them

>>50691831
You mean his canonical giant wrench.

Would people be mad if I used a defiler as a traitor Leviathan?

>>50691895
Yes.

>>50686731
Reminder that playong Luna Wolves does NOT limit your special units. The books clearly show Reavers and Justaerin during the LW colour scheme time and both are NOT marked as traitors only.

>>50691793
That has never been true in any source.

>>50692039
I can't wait for Loken to get knight errant rules so Lunaboos lose the only reason to take loyalist SoH.

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Look! It is a Thing!

>>50692159
I can't see any Xana II insignia on there and that makes me sad. Still probably going to get one because most of the symbols are still useful, but :(

>>50692273
Xana's getting their own transfer sheet.

>>50691780
Ze Iron Hans of course.

>>50692152
Jokes on you, Endrik Haas is able to be taken as loyalist WE AND Knight Errant. Just like the Nemean is able to be Blackshields lord and KE as well.

>>50687089
jfc, I honestly feel bad for how BL is treating the Space wolves fans

>>50692346
Are they? Is that just the usual rumours or what? Haven't heard about it, nice. I guess I can hold off on painting Xana insignia on my Baneblade till then.

>>50692055
Who wants to bet it will be ?

>>50692431
With how GW itself handled SW there is little suprise there. If you turn an army into a joke then be prepared for everbody treating it and its fans as a joke.

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>>50688312

>>50689668
Another. Although now I come to think of it the guy in the Watcher doesn't say his legion.

>The Watcher
Knight Errant psyker called Ison.
>All That Remains
Knight Errant Thousand Son with no name given
>Path of Heaven
Arvida gets (presumably) recruited into the Knights Errant

Could be 3 different people.

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>>50691718
Admittedly my joke was perhaps a little subtle.

>>50692509
No one, because the BL/FW approach has always been towards more inclusivity in the HH battles rather than less.

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>>50692514
>here's some real lightning you night lord wanker

>>50692514
Perfect lol.

>>50691780
You will be a White Scar.

>>50692519
Funny checked the thread right before I shut computer of for the night. I'll try and find the watcher and all that remains as TS are my boys.

One question though? do they dis all over the legion and Magnus like the Arvida and Khayon do? Cause I'm getting sick of that happening every single time a TS character is introduced.

>>50688312
>>50692514
Me thinks that DG has huffed too much poison from the looks of his eyes. And what's that marking near the Eyes of Horus on that SoH's helmet?

>>50692614
Well, the guy in the Watcher does. I don't think he says his legion, I just assumed it was TS, it might not be. The guy in the other story seemed kind rad.

>>50692637
Arvida is rad as well. I read rebirth which is his introductory story on Prospero and I was just disappointed he was kind of against the legion instead of sad. As really his 'my power can solve anything' approach is perfectly TS imo. I guess thinking everyone else is wrong and you're right is also very TSish but I still want a TS who shows real sadness at their loss instead derision to be depicted at some point.

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>>50688312
>two Alpha Legionaries
>Dark Angel

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>>50692811
It's a Fallen, probably Cypher.

>>50691823
>BL
>Canon

>>50692825
Be carefull Laurie doesn't find you

>>50692445
Xana is getting a transfer sheet and Scoria is getting a model. Just a matter of when.

>>50692884
Well House Malinax is getting a transfer sheet, I have not heard of Xana getting one. But more or less the same thing.

>>50692868
Isn't he moving to shitting on Star Wars fans?

>>50692912
Cancelled stuff like luna wolf transfer andnbrass will never show up again, right?

>>50692931
>Star Wars fans?
Poor bastards.

>>50692931
Can't think of a fanbase more deserving of his particular talents.

>>50692994
They must have been impressed by his "I don't care if you liked all this old stuff, this is the new canon, so suck it, fags" attitude and thought "that's what we need to spearhead our retconning of the entire star wars franchise."

>>50693034
Turns out Obi Wan didn't really love Anakin as a brother, since jedi truly detach themselves from their feelings, but he knew such displays of emotion were necessary.
:^)

>>50693012
>>50693034
Isn't Guy Haley continuing the pain train?

>>50693082
Haley is nice af. In fact he's a bit of a pushover, which is how Allen Merrett was able to push him to include the Tyranid reference in Pharos. Haley had no interest in doing so originally. But there's no evidence that he's switching back to being an editor.

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>notices there's a short story with sevetar in I haven't read
>from description sounds like it's him giving the dark angels the bants, could be fun
>download extract, just to check ADB hasn't done anything too silly
>see this
A fucking ghost waifu. For fuck's sake.

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>>50694030
>ghost waifu
Read the full story.

>>50694030
Remember kids.
Waifu=Every female character of child bearing age or younger.

>>50694055
Do we have it anywhere? Couldn't find it in any of the usual places, and undecided if I want to spend my hard-earned cash on it. I could almost get some GW paint with that sort of money.

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>>50694078
>Every female character of child bearing age
> or younger

>>50694078
I'm not sure that's the real definition, but I have no desire whatsoever to find out what it really means.

Mortarion counterfeit sucker here

GW have tested the big fake fucker, it's definitely a fake and they're sticking their big legal oar into the paypal claim

Sometimes they come through eh lads?

>>50694489

Kek. Retard deserves it for trying to sell a recast on ebay.

>>50694517
Isn't that everyone though? Isn't that why it's cheap on e-bay

>>50694489

Honestly GW, for all its flaws, has always had excellent customer service and after purchase support

>>50694517
Seller has been incredibly quiet. Hasn't responded at all, so paypal and GW will just roll over them

>>50694526

I have no issue with guys who are just selling obvious recasts on eBay but when they pretend they're genuine FW and charge full price for it, I fully support dropping the hammer on them

>>50694630
Oh, they claimed it to be genuine.

Yeah, fuck'em then.

>>50694489
>buys model on eBay for less than 50% retail price.
>gets assblasted when he discovers it's a fake.
>"muh feewings are hurt by the counterfeit toy "
>gets big papa GW™ on the case to fix his "ouchie"

Nah man, even though it was 99% evident you were buying a fake you went ahead, proceeded to sperg out about it.

If someone's the retard here, that would be (you), for failing to realize the obvious shit.

>>50694602
Does anyone have that GW pic about counterfeit models/paints that sounds way too much like an in-universe rant about heretics?

>>50694668
This, t b h.

>>50686731
How do I petition St.Duncan to show his take on the FW oil-slick Iron Hands? I am no fan of Facebook so I guess sending votary tablets is the only way left?

>>50694696
It's a FW scheme that uses paints from other brands and takes more technical know-how, in no way it fits the kinda videos WHTv makes.

It's more likely that SoB get a plastic release than Duncan showing the FW technique.

Anyone got a PDF of How to Paint: The Burning of Prospero floating around?

>>50694668

50% of retail is pretty standard for second hand models. Recasters are parasites and deserve to be shat upon, recasters stupid enough to try to pass their crap off as the genuine article on ebay even more so.

>>50694696

>How do I petition St.Duncan to show his take on the FW oil-slick Iron Hands

GW proper, and thus Warhammer TV, seem to be highly resistant to showing any painting techniques which aren't 'base, layer, highlight'.

>>50694736
My thinking is: Use a bajillion of GW paints and products to do the same should be a good deal...right?

>>50694668
Pretty much. I thought it was standard procedure to request info about the original purchase such as a receipt or stuff, just as you'd do with clothes, perfumes and the like.

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>>50694793
This please, shit I posted in wrong thread.

>>50694776
No. You can try emulating it if you want, but citadel products will not get you anything remotely similar.

A friend asked me to paint him some IH units with citadel products (as he wanted in the future to paint more himself). I tried, it was sad, I used proper clear paints and got the results he wanted.

>>50694809
I am a painting scrub, as I do not really play anymore and just restarted...do you have any good youtube channels that are maintained by proper painters with acceptable vooce and diction?

>>50694756
Which legion painting guide are you looking for? Only shattered pics exist, no full pdf.

>>50694256
Oh of course it's not the real definition. But it gets used as such in the same way that usage of Mary Sue makes it seem like its definition is, "Character I don't like."

>>50694768
>50% of retail is pretty standard for second hand models.
Nigga what?
Your average second hand FW model will go for about 80% retail price. More if it's painted to any extent, even more if you're buying the bits separately.

>...recasters stupid enough to try to pass their crap off as the genuine article...
I'm sorry m8, but it's the other way around, they're not stupid if they're getting you to buy it. Don't blame a seller for preying on stupid people.

And as for the recast industry, I don't really give a fuck. If it's there it's because somebody would rather pay less for a tiny toy than the arguably extortionate prices FW charges. Recasts exist because there's a market for them, and that market is morally OK with fakes and lower quality at the expense of better prices.

>>50694891
Was actually looking for the Sisters of Silence one, they have the kind of bronze I want to use for my cogboys.

>>50686731
How useful are Vindicators in 30k?

The 2/3 shots seem seriously dangerous, but is it worth it? Additionally, are there any good anti-armor options? All the Armored Ceramite makes Melta iffy at best, so is it wise to bank on Kheres Assault Cannons and Volkite to down vehicles?

>>50694957
Ducan did a vid for the armour actually https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96RYPJIbJ_k

>>50694973

Plain Jane demolisher cannon vindicators are solid as fuck tanks who don't give a fuck.

Laser vindicators are kinda meh but boy are they cheap for what they do. Ordnance really does help lascannons kill stuff better desu.

Sicaran venator does the big laser dick better though but it costs nearly two vindicators.

Meltas are iffy but cannons still work just fine as do medusas and artillery

>>50686731
Hello again, /hhg/. It's the soon-to-be IH player still trying to make a tacticool list. I've come to a list I'm really liking and (sorry to keep bothering) have a couple questions. What I've got:

Crusade FOC 1
>Legion Centurion
>Techmarine Coven w/ 2 Techmarines
>Terminator Squad w/ Land Raider Phobos, Armored Ceramite
>Support Squad w/ Artificer Armor, Rhino
>Support Squad w/ Artificer Armor, Rhino
>Sicarian Battle Tank
>Sicarian Battle Tank

Crusade FOC 2
>Legion Centurion
>2 Contemptor-Cortus Dreadnoughts w/ Assault Cannons
>Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought w/ Assault Cannons
>Tactical Squad w/ Arfiticer Armor
>Tactical Squad w/ Artificer Armor
>Leviathan Dreadnought w/ Storm Cannon, Armored Ceramite
>Vindicator
>Vindicator

So that's 2,500 exact, and I've got a couple questions.

1. Should I drop the Techmarines and make the Centurions Forge Lords?
2. Should I drop the Artificer Armor to get Armored Ceramite elsewhere? If so, should it be the Vindicators or the Sicarians?
3. Am I missing anything? Any major threats to the playstyle I'm going for?
4. Is the fluff good? I like all the models, and I think it works with the fluff, but is that lacking in any regard?

Thanks anons

>>50694977
Thanks dude!

>>50694776
>>50694830

The FW methods aren't the deepest lore, in some ways they're simpler and faster to get decent results from than traditional GW methods. Yes, some of them call for an airbrush, but even without you could probably manage the IH scheme. It's just base silver, apply tamiya smoke (it even comes in spray cans), do patches in transparent purple and green, then apply another layer of tamiya smoke. No fiddly highlights or multiple layers for a smooth result.

>>50694939

>there's a market for stolen goods, therefore stealing is ok

FW's prices support the development, sculpting, and fluff-writing. I'd reckon that more people are employed by the company in those areas than in casting, and when you buy a recast you're essentially deciding that their labour is worthless. Intellectual property has value for a reason, don't try to act as if buying knock offs is moral.

>>50687304
Lion wonders about them in Angels of Caliban, says even if they found him he'd have marooned them

>>50689032
Also the one sent to Horus found out he went traitor halfway there and went blackshield

>>50695411
>not joining in the attack as Isstvan to fulfil their duty
Do those dogs have no honour?

>>50695309
Hmm,wow.

Thank you.

>>50695411
>>50695447

Horus Charisma is to strong, it is hard enough to explain people how you love a sexy man-god..but when it is the guy you were sent to watch and NOT Russ...

Hard to explain to your wolf-parents.

>>50695461
>>50695309
PS:

What IS "deepest lore"? Or should we Uninitiated not be privy to such secrets?

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>>50695483
>From Wolf to Wolf

>>50695533
I still want to do some Luna Wolfs one day.

Any idea where I could find those Brass thingies FW sold? Apparently no longer produced.

>Fug.

>>50695527

It's sometimes implied that anything outside of using GW paints in the traditional and basic way is somehow an expert technique beyond the abilities of mere mortals. In actual fact, sponge chipping is easy, oil washes and filters are very forgiving, weathering pigments are pretty straightforward to use, and companies other than GW make some excellent products.

>>50695819
Yeah, but their concept is pretty easy to start people with painting. Just awfully expensive and cornering the market for their product range in every way. Sadly stifles creativity.

Ugh, why are the few AOS players there are such mindless devotees ? There's one guy in our HH campaign group that loves AOS for some reason, but every time he tries to argue that AOS is objectively superior to other games including 40k all our arguments why that isn't true leave him silent without anything to say or reply.

They remind me of those people who agressively try to convince others to also become vegans, but are shocked into silence when you come with factual, sienctific evidence why it's not that more healthy or 'pure nature' at all.

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>>50696103
In the end it is just a matter of taste and you sound like a Masterbaiter.

I am more interested in what your campaign group plays and if it is a nice story driven one with cool objectives etc.

>>50687137
The fuck is a watch pack ?

>>50696103
What's this got to do with 30k? You're kind of doing the same thing as your AOS-loving friend, you know...

>>50695309
I never implied recasting is in any way moral, I simply stated the same as you; that there is a market for storm property, and there's a reason why such market exists. Now, I do not condone it nor do I purchase recasts, that doesn't mean they don't exist.
There's a reason recasts exist, just look at how economically fucked up other countries are (yes, poor people also get the right to have fun). It's our job as hobby enthusiasts to keep the game alive, which means no buying recasts, no buying stuff 50% off from shady eBay stores and most of all, ensuring our money actually goes to support the company we care about.

Caring about buying original shit but not willing to buy it at full price it's just lame and equally hurtful to the hobby.

>>50696140
Russ decided he needed to police all his brothers for potential treachery, so sent a pack of space wolves to each and every primarch to watch over them. If the primarch turned bad, this single squad of space marines were to execute the primarch. Yes, really.

Needless to say, the vast majority of them got BTFO, even those sent to loyalist primarchs.

>>50696140
Russ was paranoid that other legions were up to no good and sent narcs to rat on them in the form of watch packs. Y'know, the guy hiding the curse of the wulfen.

I think most of them died/were killed by the legion they were supposed to spy on.

>>50696197
I still never got why Russ thought 20 something yiffs could ever take on a Primarch. They eat through generic marines with ease. Not to mention that the primarch probably has his elite guard next to him.

>>50696234
Because of superior loyalty, of course!

>>50696197
>>50696213
The fuck was he thinking ? With how prideful the Primarchs are only the most diplomatic ones would not tell him to fuck and send back these packs packing.

>>50696234
>something really dumb happens for the sake of generating controversy
Black Library, not even once

>>50696256
He even sent a fucking psyker to watch Sangy. Azkaellon almost blew them out the airlock for that one.

Are there any new rumors about Dark Angels' special characters or units ?

>>50696280
>>50696249
>>50696256
>>50696258
>>50696234
He didn't really think they would succeed, and IIRC the watch pack assigned to Sanguinius knew they were double-fucked if they actually happened to need to kill him.
I mean, Russ himself acknowledges not even him can take on Horus. As if he could take on anybody besides Magnus to begin with, but still.

However, the watch pack would be his eyes and ears and fangs :333 to he'd at least be warned about a certain Primarch being secretly evil. Foolish as it mey be, it's better than sorcery, if you ask me ;^)

>>50696134
It's a get-started-on-HH campaign with people having to field more points each successive mission. Some missions are a bit heavily based on the ones from HH books 1-3, and the single mechanicum player went cybernetica and never loses a game, but it's been alright so far.

>>50696149
Apolegies, just had to get this off my chest after reading too many comments on forums from people who want HH/40k to become AOS, it won't happen again.

It's just that nothing infuriates me as much as willfull ignorance

before anybody asks, yes that is why Ahriman is my most favorite character ever

>>50696281
All special stuff will be for the fallen according to Bligh. Everything else will be covered by rites/updated legion rules.

>>50696282
How would that even work considering most Primarchs, loyal or not, would just say "fuck off" and send them back ?

>>50696309
Malcador apparently gave them the okay. Despite the fact that they were using psykers.

>>50696302
Huh, I wonder if they will eventually get six rites for each wing. I called it before since I'm pretty sure each Legion will get more rites to keep them happy and updated as new books come out.

>>50696309
They cannot send them back, they had Malcador's seal of approval, so disobeying that order would be grounds for an inspection.
Still, they were obnoxious as hell, especially that fucking witchmind.

>>50696290
Man, I wish I had one of those...on the other hand starting with Solar Auxillia might be a bit work intensive.

What other guys are there floating around? Was no one able to rival the Bott-boys?

>Also, as a former Fantay player, I can understand your dislike.

>>50696302
OH YES, THANK YOU LORD!

Motherfucking (Not)Traitors get thrown bones!

>>50696290
I'm sad those guys' opinions trouble you so much. Still, you're asking why the few AOS players there are are such mindless devotees. Surely you can see they are playing it BECAUSE they're mindless devotees.
>that spoiler
I like him more than Magnus, but that's not too much of a high bar to clear.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtnW8w3e-7Q

AS THE END IS DRAWING NEAR
STANDING PROUD, I WON'T GIVE IN TO FEAR
AS I DIE A LEGEND WILL BE BORN
I WILL STAND, I WILL FIGHT
YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE
I'LL STAND MY GROUND
I WON'T GO DOWN

YOU WON'T BREAK ME
YOU WON'T MAKE ME
YOU WON'T TAKE ME,
UNDER BLOOD RED SKIES

>>50696376
I wished we had more lore about Ferrus and his Hands before they robo-reed, he died to young °sniff°.

I never read BL, so me finding him cool because he has a good work ethic and principals might be a bit shallow.

Speaking of Cybernetica being BS, I'm making my first Admech lists and I'm having trouble finding something I enjoy that isn't considered OP. I want to do awesome melee robots supported by artillery surrounded by clouds of fearless chaff, but apparently that's the worst of both worlds. Cybernetica is apparently unfun because MC spam, understandable, and Reductor is likewise because apparently Phosphex artillery is really damn good in this? Is there any way a kind of the two along with a bunch of Adsecularis can be done without being a cheesy bastard?

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>>50696439
>>50696410
Ferrus Mind.

Also this song is pretty amazing, with the fitting cover art as well.

>>50696453
Just play Taghmata.

>>50696453
Running Skitarii Titan Guard might be an idea, they aren't to bad either.

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>>50696439
>I never read BL, so me finding him cool because he has a good work ethic and principals might be a bit shallow.
That is too my reason for liking him. Based he was, for he cared for nothing else other than the Crusade, and being stronk.
He was the Primarch equivalent of Humanity Fuck yeah. I'd say he was tied with Dorn for who believed the most in the Crusade.
Was... :^/

>>50696439
It's a shame we didn't get a book like Fulgrim that followed the IH from end crusade to Istvann. Now all we know Ferrus Manus for is losing his head.

>>50696453
Maybe drop the fearless on the blobs so people actually have a chance at getting through them to start killing the bots and artillery which are the actual threat.

Having to slog through 60 fearless dudes invalidates CC units instantly.

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>>50696513
Same dude here.
On hindsight, why the fuck did both Ferrus AND his entire legion like the EC so much? They're like 1/Xth, their complete opposites. Pushing the "they complement each other" is pushing it too hard IMO.

>>50696464
Ps: Seriously, fucking amazing...metal hands smashing around and the text also fits. Official iron Hands soundtrack now, especially with these piston beats in the background.

>>50696555
I like the idea they approached a smiliar goal via different roads.

One caring for perfection for iots own sake and artsy stuff while using this drive to excell at being warriors and their missions.

The Iron Hands, purpose oriented did the same thing, differently. I guess EC are like that posh guy you play soccer with, who is really good with the ball because he has a huge ego but still scores well and you have fun playing with him.

>>50696483
By the Titan Guard, do you mean the 40k Secutarii Peltasts and Hoplites, or do they actually have an army list that doesn't require me to buy a Titan?

>>50696472

Ok, might do that with a Reductor allied detachment so I can get at least a couple boomtanks, since I do really like artillery. Maybe people would be less irritated if I made them Basilisks or something?
Original plan was two or three Adsecularis blobs, with a couple groups of roaming Thallax shooting tanks and slapping meltabombs on them, with a back line of a Magos, a couple Auxilia healing and buffing some artillery, plus melee robots like Vorax and Arlatax, and a plane or two. Just seems really cinematic and cool to play.

>>50696523

Hmm. Maybe, although that then makes them LD7and so I would essentially have to spam 35pt fodder to mitigate "my 80pt unit just got swept by two tactical marines on a good day"thing. I think I'll do that against shooty armies, but if I'm fighting World Eaters I am going to leave them Fearless since they can probably chew through them from what I've read of their rules.

>>50696302

>All special stuff will be for the fallen
>no based Corswain

But nobody else can lay down sick burns on my Legionaries in their native language :(

>>50696638
Eh? I thought Corswain was terran. Also, he'll be a special character Sigismund style, no doubt.

>>50696638
>His DA aren't Terran

>>50696555
>Find someone who looks at you like Ferrus looks at Fulgrim.

>>50696666

Poor grammar on my part - I'm talking about when Corswain tells Sevatar that he knows Sevatar's mom fucks pigs in fluent Nostraman. Butchers the accent, but gets the point across regardless.

>>50696697

Fuck, again. He says, in fluent Nostraman, that he knows that Sevatar's mother fucks pigs. There.

>>50696631
The Peltasts and Hoplites are meant for 30k as well, or was I mistaken?

>>50696712
Who bants better Sev or Swain?

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>>50696786
Have faith batsbearer

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So I read about the Drach-daemon thing.

The thing kills breaks titans like they were children's toys, killed scores of custodes and SoS (the best humanity has to offer) like they were nothing, mass possessed machines and human, and it was too powerful for the Emperor to destroy. It was only imprisoned through a desperate gambit.

What's scary about the daemon is that its origins are not unique. Every race in the galaxy would have their own version of it.

So this got me wondering. What can the other races of the galaxy do to handle a daemon on that level? The Eldar, Tau, Orks, Necrons, etc. Do they have the ability to face such a daemon or are they fucked?

>>50696867
It's a shitty sword now. Not much to worry about.

>>50696555
Because both Legions primarchs got along well with each other, bro'd it out in their brief moments of free time, made each other friendship weapons, and while their tactics on the field contrasted each other considerably, both sought perfection in warfare (one by physical means, the other by mechanical means).

The Emperor's Children were the closest thing the Iron Hands had to real camaraderie for an army that focused on the strength and precision of machines.

>>50696867
I would think a daemon born of murder cannot be murdered, and violence will only make it stronger. Seal the thing in a can.
>The daemon kills SoS
Whaaat? I thought blanks were invisible to daemons, whom hunt using soulsight.

>>50696867

Eldar could trivially imprison daemons way back in their glory days, craftworlders could probably do the same with much, much more effort

Necrons wrote the book (cube) on imprisoning daemons

Tau are just fucked

Orks would love the good fight

>>50696867
>The Eldar, Tau, Orks, Necrons, etc. Do they have the ability to face such a daemon or are they fucked?
Declare it non-canon, same as we do.

>>50696895
It will break out at some point. Each time Abaddon, gets desperate and draws on the power of the sword, there is a chance the daemon would overpower Abaddon's will and take over and then escape.

And even if it doesn't escape, there has to be hundreds of daemon like it. Imagine what a daemon born from the first Eldar murder would be like.

>>50696817
IW in the Carribeans?

Please tell!

>>50696946
Kind of strange that we have never seen an mention of these murder demons before.

Almost like it was just pulled out of no where with no gravitas given to prior fluff.

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>>50696915
>made each other friendship weapons
They were such bros!

Too bad the IW and TS were in a similar position yet they're Distrusted allies or something, even if they both serve the Warmaster.
But I guess the IW's natural distrust meant friendship couldn't bloom in the ironfire, even if the IHs aren't so friendly themselves

>>50696919
>Whaaat? I thought blanks were invisible to daemons, whom hunt using soulsight.

They are. The daemons swing or shoot at the dark spots in their daemon vision. You know the page in the daemonifuge where the Slaaneshi daemon could see everybody in the room but where Sister Stern stood there was just a empty shadow? It's like that.

>>50696946
Man, ADB's "Horus ain't shit" pile doesn't stop from keep getting taller.

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>>50696867
>Do the Eldar have the ability to face such a daemon or are they fucked?
Nope. The Eldar have to face such a daemon BECAUSE they fucked :^)

>>50696975
Actually, the Foretoken from WHFB is a bit similar to the Echo of the First Murder.

>>50696726
Nope, only 40k Skitarii, apparently.
If I wanted to do Titan Guard I suppose I could run lots of Auxilia and Myrmidons, plus Armour, but that would kind of require a Titan, which is a tad large-scale for a pickup game :)

>>50696985
Aw shit.
It's like that stealth ship they were researching, that tests concluded it could be tracked based on the utterly empty spot that appeared on the sea radar, which are usually saturated with tiny interferences from the waves themselves.

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>>50697047
People should let you play Scutarii alongside a Knight, given how they're Colegia Titanica faction.

Can I proxy a land raider for a Spartan?

>>50697107
For how long?

>>50697122
After christmas when I have my yearly raise and finish painting another brick.

>>50697047
>>50697078
Yeah!

>>50697107

You could proxy a Spartan with a cardboard box for one night but I wouldn't consider it a permanent option

Spartans have a pretty different footprint than a land raider and considering they cost nearly as much as a lighter LoW, $135 really isn't that bad of a price tag for a legit one.

>>50697107
How Nasty are Spartans?
Is running two forbidden? I think I will get two different tonks instead of the Mastodon since /hhg/ convinced me its shit. Might still buy and paint one, but still...

>>50697227
>Is running two forbidden?
It depends on the points scale

>>50697078
>>50697204

True, but I don't actually have an Imperial Knight yet. Going to get one for Christmas as well as around 1000pts of Mechanicum.

I think I'll probably start with Reductor, since thinking your way around two artillery tanks, some tarpits and maybe 3 mobile combat units can't be too difficult. I could def. pick up some Myrmidons, maybe 10 of each Secutarii, and a Hellblade and run a combined Titanicus/Autokrator force of armoured units and shock troops backed by a bit of artillery and maybe a Lightning fighter. That would be equally hella fun and possibly not cheesy?

>>50697245
>Hellblade

I was thinking about cool things to use for planes and was considering one earlier, since I personally think the Lightning looks like shit.

>>50697241
3k is the planned scale. I really like the Mastodons anti air gun and com net though... on the other hand, I get more anti tank fire power on the field with two spartans.

>>50697333

Two Spartans at 3k is pretty neat but keep in mind the best Spartan is the DT kind since you'll probably want all the HS slots you can get.

Mastodons sadly are kinda easy to kill for how much they cost and two Spartans are far and above more difficult to kill for less points.

>>50696786

In general? No contest, it's Sevatar. In Savage Weapons? Probably Corswain, but he shuts up pretty quickly once Sevatar gives Captain Alajos a nasty case of spear-to-the-face and he sees a partially-conscious Lion screaming atrocities as he gets dragged off the battlefield to stop him embarrassing himself and the Legion further.

Lion is the worst Primarch, hands down.

>>50697540
Well, I thought about ways to use Immortals and DT Spartans for them sound nice.
Flare shields, auto-simulacra,melta proof teflon coating...and a warsmith riding in one should work.

>>50697587
I do not really read Bl, but that sounds shamefull.

>>50697616
>Immortals
>Warsmith
Stop stealing our things, IHs! What's your battle cry anyway?

>>50697587
>Your mother fucks pigs
>And your Primarch fucks trees, your point being?
:^)

>>50697665
Sorry, Iron-Father.

Also, we do not need one. The cries of our enemies are enough.

>>50697587
>The worst Primarch
>Not Lorgar

>>50697768
Who was the worst loyalist Primarch?

>>50697616

Hell yeah, sounds good.

The other nice thing about Spartans is that they have some legit anti tank threat with their double quad lascannons or destroyers. They're just fun in general

>>50697796
Russ, for all the jobbing and alienating Magnus. Corax also has a good run by being totally inconsequential.

>>50697796
Russ, dude was a jobber and a hypocrite.

>>50697796
>worst loyalist
That's an oxymoron.

>>50697820
Hm,thanks! Will maybe cram in one of those famous flying Dreadnought Xiphons the Iron hands are so proud of to deal with Air stuff.

>I DO plan on using a Cerastus anyway, so it could slam people out of the skies anyway.

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Yo, nignogs, is this something the Aloha Legion are capable of doing?

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>Play IW
>Friend brings leman russ to a game
>Midway through game he splits him off and tries to come after my land raider squadron with my praetor in it
>He and praetor are fighting, praetor obviously going to die
>Box him in a triangle of 3 land raiders
>Russ kills my praetor and is now stuck in a land raider pen
>mfw he spends the next 3 turns trying to glance a land raider to death so he can leave

>>50697845
I thought I was asking who is the worst among the best. Or I would, but for some Horus is/was the best.

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>>50697796
Two were black-bagged before the Heresy even happened

>>50697885
>Fuckingmagnus.jpg

>>50697883
Nah, the AL already invented it.

>>50697883
Definetly, ready your butt for nuclear profileration and/or famines that make a zombie apocalypse look like a field of flowers.

>>50697885
Ahahahaha.

>>50697796
Corax

>Unremarkable Legion
>Get rekt
>Beg Emperor for help
>He give it to you but warns you to be careful
>Fuck up almost immediately
>Create monsters
>They're loyal
>Kill them all to hide your shame
>Mope off into outerspace quoting Edgar Allen Poe

>>50697885
Have faith Wolfbearer.

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>>50697885
I thought for a second you meant a Leman Russ TANK, and was wondering why it had melee attacks. The image of a tank with it's turret replaced by a giant chainsword is quite a funny one though, so thanks for that.

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>>50697883
>They hacked the people
Boop

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>>50697923
>Definetly, ready your butt for nuclear profileration and/or famines that make a zombie apocalypse look like a field of flowers
This is what a STC was made for.
>>50697920
Freaking Alpha Legion.
>>50697996
I don't get it.

>>50692039
this is true, reminder that the LW were cthonian for longer then the sons of horus were loyalist. reminder that there's no reason why your army isn't an late crusade force instead of a heresy force :^)

>>50692039
Reminder neither Deathshroud nor Grave Wardens are marked as traitors-only despite having been invented by Mortarion and Typhon respectively.

>>50698161
Reminder that there's nothing preventing traitor Phalanx Warders despite those guys, y'know, warding traitor from the phalanx.

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almost ready to start on my Death Guard, bases done. I didn't want them to busy so just went with a basic scheme, man the mk3 prospero marines are really awesome to build and put together.

>>50698161
>>50698208
That's what they're trained for. That doesn't mean that's what they're doing now.

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>>50698098
Man, I wish I had that picture of Hours looking like Bruce Willis with crossed arms smiling.

Seriously Endryk haas is the best proof how this is possible.

Have a Great Crusade EC ship instead as sign of my approval.

>I am trying to paint my Chaos fleet in that scheme to double as Renegades and Heretics/lHorus Heresy EC fleet.

>>50698224
Wow! Nice!

Those are prefabricated Bases, rightß looking VERY toxic indeed. Where did you pick those up?

Tactical squads in rhinos seem resilient enough to me, but are they killy?
Some anon said once that he considered Despoilers in Rhinos to be better than footslogging full squads (no ammo store defense line) because of the Sweep Advance chance.
Was he correct?

>>50698309
Why not give them additional hand weapons?

Rhinos are cool but doesn't feel very heretical to me if you catch my drift.

>>50698293
they are the GW city ruins bases, got them on the cheap as well. Keen to rebase my mechanicum in this style now as well. They just come as plastic sprue, pop them out and get painting.

>>50698354
Congratulations then, they look really nice.

I might try to go for some Factory looking stuff for my IH as well, but probably more a smashed, ruin strewn factotum.

>>50698345
You take that back, heretic-kun. I fight for the Emperor.
Sometimes...
>>50698274
I would like Endryd more if he didn't force you to use Loyalist WE rules. No Inductii, no Butchers, only Rampagers that lack Rampage. They're the worst.

>>50698354
Hey, nice. I was wondering whether to do fancy Xana bases for my Mechanicum and now you have handed me a solution. I can do my bigger bases in desert stuff as well. Thanks.

>>50698385
I'd like it most if he somehow spread his rules to more than one squad..but hey what can you do.

About the Rhinos, let me paraphrase it: It doesn't seem horus Heretical, even if they are the Deimos Pattern.

So, out of curiosity, since I'm looking to start a small (1.500 pts. or so) force of loyalists as an alternative to my main traitor army: How do people rate Cassian Dracos Reborn as a (sole) HQ choice for an assault oriented Salamanders list ? Yeah, I'm aware Sallies aren't made for assaults in the first place, but the thought of a dreadnought as a HQ choice appeals to me. So, looking forwards to some opinions.

>>50698529
He is resilient as fuck and has techno witchery, I think he is amazing for that alone.

>>50696976
Huh? I doon't think the Iron Warriors and Thousand Sons are in a similar position.

If anything, the preview of the Magnus book seems to indicate that they only just tolerate each other. Perturabo in particular gives no shits about psykers, meanwhile Magnus seems me than happy to fuck around looking for lore rather than fighting

On the Rhinos issue, I'm actually waiting on FW's answer, so it's not yet definitive.
On a similar note:
>What would you put in a LR Proteus Explorator?
>Opinions on Combi-weapon Vets
>What's a good squad for a power armoured Delegatus?
>>50698529
>'m aware Sallies aren't made for assaults in the first place, but the thought of a dreadnought as a HQ choice appeals to me
How about their Devils in the Dark RoW, where they cause Fear? NL lite
>>50698551
>techno witchery
That version is less resilient, and that only affects automata. Not like there'll be lots of them at 1500

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>>50697883
Remember when republicans were old people who had no idea about how things worked, how they'd talks complete nonsense and their voters were retards hanging onto their every word?

>>50698640
>>>/pol/

>>50698576
Weren't they friends due to being both scholars? Perturabo used his science for a Crusade he didn't believe in, while Magnus used the Crusade to acquire more lore.
Meanwhile, their legions were opposites, one side using their huge numbers to afford costly assaults while the other had to supplement their low numbers with mortals and machines

>>50698640
what the fuck is going on there? what's the story?

>>50698640
>>50698668
Not even american, but I agree that this is a sensitive subject for a lot of americans.

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>>50698640
Anon, Putin has more ways than one.

>>50698687
Oh nevermind, that sounds really cool.

The maggy book only says "Fighting in the Great Crusade beside his staunchly anti-mystical brother Perturabo", so I just imagined the negatives.

>>50697107
Theyre almost identical in size. The only difference that are actually worth mentioning is the front ramp compartment is forward beyond the front tracks ever so slightly and the back reactor is double stacked.

>>50698603

Was thinking about that RoW, but to unlock it you'll need a Chaplain and a MotL (Praetor / Delegatus / Herald). It would be very expensive to get access to the Fear USR in this manner. Also, Cassian wouldn't be the warlord then since other HQs would be present.

>>50698777
Well, how to get a Cortex Controller in a list with Cassian without robbing him of his sole HQ / warlord role ? Cause without Cortex Controller no Battle Automata to tag along could be included.

>>50698777
>you'll need a Chaplain and a MotL
Good thing both Xiaphas Jurr and Nomus Rythan are MotL Chaplains, and the later has AP2 at initiative (forged by Vulkan no less) while the former has psychic powers and a Lorgar-esque morale-on-sight rule.

But it's your call.

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>>50698799
I regret posting the Russian hacked the voters picture now. I shouldn't have posted it. Not the guy you replied to. Here have this as a makeup.

>>50696697
so what happens after swain tells sev that?

>>50698850
It's ok, I knew you didn't realize what you were doing anyway

>>50697932
Not to mention he seriously considered suicide-by-traitors at one point.

>>50698892
I just thought that since the thread was dying it wouldn't be too much trouble out of it, or that we'd be reasonable enough to get a few laughs out of it.

>>50697227
>Mastodon since /hhg/ convinced me its shit
convince your friends to field it for like 550 points

>>50698809
dreygur?

>>50697883
SO is there any proof of this Russian hack? Because all I see is an obsolete class trying to deflect blame on why they lost, if this hack is real then isnt this on the scale of war declaration? Its serious shit, the current president should be on television making a declaration on the subject but there's nothing on the subject, only newspapers and shoddy 'CIA' reports that have no proof or are 'secret' yet public.

This whole thing is more full of holes than swedish cheese.

>>50698840
Xiaphas Jurr isn't a MotL in my copy of Retribution.
Nomus Rhythan is a good call, but would then have to be the warlord, so Cassian couldn't be.
My aim is to have Cassian as the sole HQ, but somehow have valid melee options with a few Sally units.

>>50698945
No proofs. Soon they'll declaring it was aliens and then a psychic Trump.

>>50698928
Good call. Totally forgot about that guy.

>>50697932
>opinion
>100% of the legions did at some point
>not stubborn enough to not ask for help when he needs it unlike all the others
>true
>AlphalegionunstoppableBLplotdevice.jpeg
>see above
>Strong minded beakies
>even I have mixed feelings about that
>terribleoldfluff.jpeg

/endshitpost

In all seriousness any legion can be worded to be utterly incompetent. Just like you can make them all sound tragic and heroic. It's all how you spin it.

If you want it to sound stupid, it will.

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>>50698903
So did Russ.
Huh, that's not the counter-argument I thought it was.
>>50698910
I posted the Sombra pic but nobody understood it, that's the real tragedy here :^)
>>50698928
Nobody cared who I was until I put on the mask.

>>50697587
>losing 25% of your legion in under an hour
Sheol 009 M31 best day of my life

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>just realized Dynat has 4 wounds

Huh

so I can buy him a power dagger right

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>>50699017
I don't play Overwatch and have little knowledge on it. All I know is that Tracer's butt is popular.

>>50699008
I was going to comment the same points, but I decided against giving it unwarranted attention.
Congratulations, you are as baited as Corax.

>>50699027
Why ? He already has a rule that allows him to use his powersword and thunderhammer at the same time and gain a bonus attack from it.