Warhammer 40k General

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>>50672276
first for the true rulers of the galaxy

>>50672294
first one to talk gets to stay on my aircraft

I need 105 more points to get the 1500 total.

What should I add or remove, anons? I'm liking the list so far. Once I think it's complete, I'll start buying, building, and painting them up as my first army!

1500 Fluffy Dark Angels

-Terminator Librarian, 90
+ML2, 25
+Foe Smiter, 15
Total, 125

-Terminator Company Master, 120
+Storm Shield, 5
+Mace of Redemption, 30
+Auspex, 5
Total, 160

Troops
-3x Tactical Squad, 70
+5 marines, 70
+Plasma Gun, 15
+Multi Melta, 10
Total, 180 (540)

Dedicated Transports
-3xRhinos, 105

Elites
-Venerable Dreadnought, 125
+Extra Armor, 10
+Heavy Flamer, 10
Total, 135

Dedicated Transport
-Drop Pod, 35
+Locator Beacon, 10
+Deathwind Launcher, 15
Total, 60

-Deathwing Command Squad, 200
+Champion, 5
+Apothecary, 5
+Plasma Cannon, 15
+Deathwing Company Standard, 20
+2 Chainfists, 10
+Perfidious Relic of the Unforgiven, 15
Total, 270

Complete Total, 1,395

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>>50672276

Anybody got any cool Rogue Trader Space Marine paint schemes?

Like yellow and black tiger stripes, that kind of thing.

>>50672326

I remember a picture of a painted marine captain who was white with red stripes. I could have sworn I saved that image but it's gotten away from me.

>>50672318
can we all agree that Dark Angels players are, as a whole, the most largely moronic player base of any faction? Is it the Dark Vengeance thing or just too many new players?

>>50672294
>>50672303
>Arvus beat filthy xenos faglord to first

Glorius cute

>>50672294

As shitty as they are I still want one. Too bad even recast prices aren't worth it.

>>50672310
the stubby wings make it look cute

>>50672286
not a fan of rye or sourdough, but honey wheat is where it's at

>>50672294
y'know, you got me, it really is an adorable little fucker isn't it

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>>50672350
>not a fan of rye
i mean that's okay you're entitled to your opinions anon
>...or sourdough
DUDE WHAT THE FUCK GET OUT OF HERE YOU DISGUSTING FAGGOT

>>50672348

They're not too bad in Solar Auxilia lists.

More Imperial Agent leaks?

Anyone?

(I just want the Inquisition warband stuff and Crusaders)

>>50672303
>weaf.jpg (5.52 MB, 6016x4000)

You shame the great world-ship of Mymeara.

>>50672348
>Too bad even recast prices aren't worth it.

Get a load of this entitled poorfag.

>>50672346
>>50672348
>>50672351

I didn't imagine the Arvus would be so beloved. Are its stubby wings really that cute?

Although I want one, too, even if it is just table decoration.

So, orks need
>More dakka to make up for their poor BS
>More survivability to make up for their poor initiative
>Something to help with their poor leadership

>>50672276
At what point value is it okay to start using detachments? I'm getting my GSC up and running and I'm really excited to use all the cool detachments and stuff, but my group is pretty casual and I don't want to be destroying them at low point values. It seems like it's not even possible to do the Uprising detachment at anything lower than around 750 points.

Also, I'm not totally clear, but it seems like I can do a GSC detachment without having a warlord, since you don't need to bring an HQ. Is that correct?

>>50672307
Ah, whoops! Still, S6 is a good strength, and can glance/pen AV12/AV10-11. Rending lets it do even more, and buffs it as well. Razorbacks and non-standard Land Raiders being able to take them Twin Linked is a nice bonus.

>>50672318
Hmmm, let me think, if you removed Foe-Smiter with a regular Storm Bolter, got rid of the Deathwind Launcher, and the Extra Armor on your Ven Dread you could probably afford another dread in a pod, or some other unit, like some Preds or something.

A shame you aren't running MSU. TL Assault Cannon Razorbacks just look so great.

Anyways, if you want to shave some points down even then, see if you can replace the plasma cannon with an Assault cannon. Iirc, the Assault cannon is cheaper, though the Plasma Cannon is better for hordes, I think the Assault Cannon is better simply because it lacks Gets Hot, and therefore doesn't ruin it's chance to fire.

Then again, I just like miniguns and other guns that have that distinctive look/style.

>>50672405
>>More dakka to make up for their poor BS

BS4

>>More survivability to make up for their poor initiative

T4 3+

>>Something to help with their poor leadership

Automatically re-group, cannot be swept, immune to fear.

>>50672423
get a load of this assault cannon shill who doesn't even know the statline of the gun that he is literally fellating with his posts

rhino rush was a fair and balance tactic

Need inspiration for kitbashes and conversions. Show me your dank ass conversions. Bonus points if they're made from toys.

>>50672396

It's like it was made for a style of gameplay that doesn't exist, some kind of civilian escape scenario and that is pretty cool.

>>50672405
All orks get feel no pain.

Change mob rule to the old mob rule(fearless if over ten models in a unit,)

Boss pole lets you refill failed LD

Up everones initative by one, and give them the old furious charge rule(+1 str AND +1 initative on charge)

Point adjustment on the nauts and stompa

There, we now have a solid book.

>>50672450

Fish of Fury took skill and finesse

Why do people like AdMech? They are the lamest army in the game, every single model looks exactly the same.

>>50672456

>Kill Team uses it as an improvised escape vehicle in a Zone Mortalis boarding/infiltration mission

>>50672343
Hey man, I just like the color scheme and fluff of the Angels of Absolution.

I just would prefer to run a fluffy list over a more WAAC-y one. It's not fun if one of us keeps winning/losing all the time, nor is it fun if anon brings all his cheese in a single game.

>>50672423
Anon, you love Assault Cannons too much. I think they're cool too, but I'm going to keep the plasma cannon termi, though. I like it too much. Might go for a second dread though, but I don't know. Will need to look over everything and see what's available. Maybe some Black Knights.

>>50672343
no, dark angles were bad before DV

>>50672512

t. butt blasted Fenrisian savage.

>>50672449
Anon, I bet you just wish that the Assault Cannon was S7. That would be great.

Imagine, a S7 AP4 Heavy 4 Rending weapon.

Aw yeah. Popping vehicles and everything else in it's way.

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>>50672439
youve done it

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>>50672412
hq =/= warlord. you can make anything a warlord but only characters get the warlord trait. most tend to make the warlord an hq because the're usually more powerful or tougher then basic troops

>>50672361
here's most of my daemons setting up to fight blood angels at 3k i believe

Is it okay to use rules for a chaos legion if you're army is a custom chaos warband?

>>50672541
>square bases

>ugly yellow shit on all the vehicle bases

is this a joke army?

>>50672348
>shitty
>deep striking 12 man flying transport unit

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>>50672530
>Imagine, a S7 AP4 Heavy 4 Rending weapon
I don't need to imagine.

>>50672552
I don't see why not.

>>50672567
Glorious.

Give that man a baneblade! Failing that, an army of Leman Russes!

>>50672552

Legions are often made up of different warbands. They aren't entirely uniform. I mean it's fucking CHAOS.

>>50672582
sir we've just received a report, the scheduled tau army refuses to land to oppose the baneblade, they're leaving the system

we've won but feel hollow inside, their departing message was "fuck off WAAC faggot I don't come to play against super heavies outside of apocalypse if I see you again I'll shove that baneblade up yer arse sideways"

>>50672559
>people calling other anons armies shit
Post your army, then.

>>50672552

Yeah of course.

If you want an in-universe explanation just say they're a splinter from the legion. 90% of the current renegades are probably descended from the original 9.

So I guess there's this:

World Eaters Butcherhorde (1779/1850pts)

Maelstrom of Gore

[125pts] Chaos Lord (Mark of Khorne, VotLW, Sigil of Corruption, Juggernaut)
[295pts] Khorne Berzerkers x15 (VotLW)
[295pts] Khorne Berzerkers x15 (VotLW)
[162pts] Khorne Berzerkers x8 (VotLW)
[162pts] Khorne Berzerkers x8 (VotLW)

Hellforged Warpack

[130pts] Warpsmith (VotLW, Combi-Melta)
[110pts] Hellbrute (Plasma Cannon, Power Fist)
[125pts] Maulerfiend
[125pts] Maulerfiend
[125pts] Maulerfiend
[125pts] Maulerfiend

Chaos Lord still needs to be fleshed out. Talisman of Burning Blood? Axe of Blind Fury? Can only take one, right?

>>50672552
>Is it okay to use rules for a Space Marine Chapter Tactics if your army is a custom chapter of Space Marines

Yes

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>>50672473
Draigowing was an amazing feat of tactical ability

>>50672559
my army has a lot of metal, kinda old at this point, and at one point i was setting up to play whfb with my daemons. notice the 2 keepers that are metal and oop by at least a decade

as for the bases it's road markings. the exalted chariots are about the size of a land raider. i was gonna do cobblestone but the greenstuff didn't hold well

500 point Beginning Templar List
Chaplain

Crusader Squad
5 Intiates
- 1 Meltagun
- 1 Power Axe
3 Neophytes w/ Shotguns
Sword Brother w/ Power Sword
Rhino

Crusader Squad
5 initiates
- 1 Lascannon
- 1 Plasma Gun

Crusader Squad
- 1 Lascannon
- 1 Plasma Gun

Any suggestions to change this list and what should I look to change as I move to 1000 point games?

>>50672603
Well, the Word Bearers are still a legion. The Iron Warriors are mostly a legion.
Angron keeps trying to gather all the World Eaters and form them into a legion. He's getting really mad since he keeps finding more everywhere.

>>50672635
>road markings

have you honestly ever seen a road?

that looks like you tried to paint with mac and cheese sauce

>>50672627
No anti-air?

>>50672569
>>50672603
>>50672626
Cool was going to make them traitor blood ravens from end of dawn of war 2 retribution that fled when loyalists won.

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>>50672656
>STILL doesn't post his large, well painted army

>>50672656
sticks and stones may break my army but meet me offline for a game at 1501. also mac and cheese is delicious so thank you for the compliment

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>>50672679

I'll take it your using Thousand Sons?

Pretty good, they've come full circle.

>>50672367
Seperate units now one formation with acolyte tax brings them together

Why would anybody not like AdMech? They are the coolest army in the game, every single model is gorgeous.

>>50672726

I agree.

>>50672679
Don't think that'd work, though it'd be funny. The ones from DOW2 were pretty Khornate.

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>>50672722
Yeah
I dunno if I want to use the thousand son's rules though

>>50672726
I find them creepy. Creepier than chaos.

>>50672760
Meant to reply to >>50672722

>>50672726
I don't got them myself but they are gorgeous models

>>50672326
Man, I really wish I saved it, but an anon in the /wip/ thread painted his 30th anniversary Imperial Space Marine like the Space Marine police scheme, complete with the line of hazard striping on the beak.

Also check out the Salamanders old scheme.

>>50672726
Space Phyrexians

All glory to the Ineffable One

>>50672760

True but there obsession for relics and the prominence of psykers implies they're descended from TS gene seed.

>>50672820

Their*, Jesus I need to go to bed.

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Are the fw blight drones any fun to play? They look like the kind of thing Id want three of.

>>50672303
how is the warp hunter? on a scale of guardians to wraithknight how does it rate?

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>>50672627
>>50672640

>World Eaters
>Templars

when did 40k general get so MANLY?

>>50672640
>lasplas

Doesn't really work anymore. If you're going to bother taking a heavy weapon, take a gravcannon so you can move and shoot at full BS.

You'll need transports. Rhinos and Drop Pods, Land Raiders depending on how hardcore you think your meta is; if it's too strong your LRs will just get toasted early game.

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>>50672820
>>50672760
Using this colour scheme to work from what what colour should the metal be? Silver gold or bronze?

>>50672724
I've seen all that, I mean the datasheets.

>>50672874
silver

>>50672874

I think the cherry red glaze that FW paints their pre-Heresy TS with would be cool. I know it's a cunt to paint though.

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>>50672361
My old 'nid army, who have been sadly left untouched for many years.

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Made a list to give me a project to get off my ass and actually have an army to play with

Wanted something to focus on using bikes

Planning bikers and rhino squads take offense with devastators provide support

I was thinking maybe adding some Furioso dreads to cause chaos behind enemy lines

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>>50672840
I still only own one. Haven't used the poor guy in a while, but I should dig him out. I recall enjoying it in the games I played.

So after Fenris will we finally have "13th Black Crusade" event?

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Thanks for all the help in the previous thread, truly you are all doing the Emperor's work. I just want some final opinions before I start making purchases.

>>50672850
It's like a more mobile, longer ranged but less reliable and less durable Vaul's Wrath D-battery with a D-scythe up its sleeve for emergencies and-or toasting covercampers nicely. I like them a lot.

Also Guardians aren't shit.

>>50672901
Just remember that without relentless those devastators do very little on the turn they arrive.

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>>50672874
>>50672895

You could even have a weird inner circle that worships the Thousand Sons and thinks Magnus did nothing wrong...

>>50672457
>Lets take the basic unit Orks have had
>That they have always had
>Which was doing fine, but really got hurt by the latest Mob rule change
>And give it free FnP
>And some initiative
>And more initiative on the charge
>And revert the Mob rule to previously really good version after all that
>And call it balanced
Jesus, do you work for Blizzard? You could balance their games to Tee.

Give bosspoles +1 Ld.
Make them fearless if within 6" of another unit with Mob Rule.
Let them take a Nob per 10 models.
And it wouldn't hurt for Trukks to be able to deliver them safely again.
They'll be as good as they were, require just a little bit more thought (or just more bodies to let you link the whole army), and can frontload on Klaws to really pile on the hurt.

>>50672924

You bet your sweet ass we're getting there. End Times 40k and straight on into Age of Emperor.

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Here is my updated list of changes to make orks killy again. I will be sending this to GW. Thanks to everyone who provided constructive feedback.

ORKS

1. All dakka weapons now have their rate-of-fire increased by 1.

2. All orks now have Feel No Pain 6+. This can be improved with Wargear and Painboyz up to a maximum of 4+.

3. Boyz are now I3, Nobz are now I4, and Warbosses are now I5.

4. A successful ork charge grants +1 Strength and +1 Initiative during the first round of combat.

5. Bosspoles now allow a reroll for all morale and leadership tests.

6. Characters now have access to non-Mega Armour wargear that grants a 4+ invulnerable save.

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What kind of list would one run for an IG army based on Imperial Japan? Catachans?

Does Dante scrape and lick to get his blood?

>>50672981
But anon magnus did nothing wrong
Im thinking of giving a lord some feathered wings and making them like a raven's as well

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>>50672947
actually i'm slowly building a guardian warhost, it's just hard to rate the eldar stuff since everything is powerful. i really like the idea of some bakers doing weekend war missions

>>50672840
I have one.
Its basically a flying battle cannon which is pretty cool, and you get to make vomit jokes because its weapon is literally puke. The model is also disgustingly beautiful.

>>50672901
Who's the Priest shack up with?
Can't fit in a rhino, can't keep up with bikes. Is he there to give a 60 point FnP to your devastators?

>>50672950
Point

Any changes I could make?

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>>50673034

Probably.

It would be infantry heavy with lots of heavy weapon teams.

Commissars for fearless.

Maybe some light tanks like the Hellhound variants.

>>50673076
I'd say skyhammer but BA can't take it

>>50673093
Are Bolt Action models the right scale? I'm sure they have some good bits to work with for kitbashing if they are.

>>50673034

I would need to read up more on Imperial Japan's war doctrine. I assume IG has enough toys to fit whatever the preferred tactics and combat doctrine were.

>>50673120

If there's one thing I've learned over the years of wargaming, it's that nothing ever looks right next to Warhammer models.

I would buy a sample box.

>>50673138
>>50673152
Also is the 4th Amaterasan Rising Sons an apt name for such a regiment?

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>>50673031
I keep seeing this posted. I assume it's bait, but I am beginning to think you honestly believe this is a good idea.
>Warbosses are faster than Eldar for the first round of combat
>1 point weapons are S4, assault 3
>A horde army gains a 1/6 chance to avoid death (also that'd be just shitting dice on the table every turn)
>Morale continues to be beaten like a red headed stepchild
Nigga, I love Orks and I think that shit's whack.

>>50673170

A bit on the nose, but sure.

>>50673120
bolt action would work pretty well for guard, the heads are fucking huge, as are the hands, but thats heroic scale for you
lemme post a comparison pic in a minute

>>50672619

I don't have to because my army is shit too. That is why I am such an expert connoisseur of shit and can spot shittyness from a mile away.

Checkmate, loyalists.

>>50673186
40k is all about on the nose.

>>50673186
>on the nose
That hasn't stopped anything in 40k before.

>>50672396
it's also that we were just talking about it in another thread about mediocre/bad units, and the Arvus Lighter is a special exception because even though the rules are terrible they're kind of supposed to be since it's just a civilian space truck more or less. also, the model is quite nice.

>>50673181
He's actually said a few times that he's been posting it here every thread because he thinks GW read /tg/ and actively take rules suggestions from us. He aggressively ad-homs anyone that says his ideas are shit.

In short he's either a delusional retard, an above-average troll (by /40kg's current standards) or more likely, both.

>>50672512
A hater is a traitor

Why not Wrath of Magnus/Traitor Legions battle reports yet?

I went on youtube and there was a grand total of ONE(death guard vs world eaters, showcasing how good the Talisman of Burning Blood is fyi)

Which Order should I paint my Sisters to bro around as an Allied Detachment for my Crimson Fists?

>>50672992
I dont want orks to be balanced. I want them to be fucking broken and OP as shit. Just for once.

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>>50673170
>>50673120
>>50673191
bolt action American infantryman, DKOK quartermaster, and MKIV marine

>>50672457
>Point adjustment on the nauts
those things should have been superheavy walkers from the very beginning. giving them that and making them ork-knights is probably all they need, since that would make them vastly faster and give them stomp.

>>50673201
>>50673209

Kind of. Rogue Trader much moreso, but more recently it's one or two steps removed, usually with just being a step or two removed in the naming convention, or throwing in just one or two unique elements that make them distinctive. And/or taking them to the extreme end of the spectrum and making them distinctive in their own way through that.

Still, it works. Why not?

>>50673002
Nice
ET and AoS fix the fantasy, AoE will fix 40k

>>50673233
Long time Eldarfag here. No you don't.

>>50673138

Well they were a naval Empire like the British.

They fought mainly on forested islands and atolls and thus had few tank designs. The ones they had we're light to medium cruisers and since they never came up against enemy armour, they were usually under gunned.

They relied on a mobile infantry force that carried everything it needed and was obviously highly indoctrinated.

They did have cavalry divisions but they saw limited use in WWII.

>>50673170

Sounds good. Maybe look at Japanese history. I'm sure there's some samurai inspiration to be had.

>>50673254
People already bitch and moan when they see I play orks. For once id like it to actually be warrented

>>50673298
what the fuck do they bitch and moan about with orks?

>>50673254
>mfw play fluffy assault vanilla marines during the era of leafblower, draigowing, and necrons
>"LOL NICE ARMY FAGGOT DONT YOU KNOW THIS IS A SHOOTING GAME"
>mfw playing same army after 6E and 7E
>"FUCKING LOYALISTFAG DONT EVEN BOTHER PUTTING YOUR ARMY OUT ITS JUST GONNA BE BATTLE COMPANY OR GRAV CENTURIONS"

>>50673236
Thanks a lot. It might be more prudent to just use the bolt action figures on their own.

>>50673281
Would kriegers be fitting rules-wise then?

I can't wait for the sacking of Na'nking.

>>50673309
The shop I go to is loaded with underage tau/eldar players who think that because they play a strong army, they should always win without taking losses

>>50672627
The Maelstrom + 2d6 move should get you that turn 1 charge against most armies, though I'd definetly take the Talisman against Tau.

>>50673254
>Start playing 40K late 6th
>Buddy drags me into play 5th Orks with me at this new place
>Fast forward 1 year
>He has stopped playing, and the army I spent 400 bucks on is now the Antichrist, and an excuse to see 3 Riptides allied with a demi-company

How's this for a fun tau list? CAD is actually the targeted recon cadre from the new box, battle scribe just didn't have the formation so I threw in the firewarriors instead of making a new cad


+++ New Roster (Warhammer 40,000 7th Edition v2004) (1490pts) ++

++ Combined Arms Detachment (Tau Empire: Codex (2015)

+ HQ (145pts) +

Commander (145pts)
XV8 Commander Crisis Suit [Command and Control Node, Multi-spectrum Sensor Suite, XV8-02 Crisis 'Iridium' Battlesuit]

+ Elites (394pts) +

XV25 Stealth Battlesuits (90pts) [Stealth Shas'ui with Burst Cannon, Stealth Shas'ui with Burst Cannon, Stealth Shas'ui with Burst Cannon]

XV8 Crisis Battlesuits (124pts) [Crisis Shas'ui, Crisis Shas'ui, Crisis Shas'vre, 4x MV7 Marker Drone]

XV95 Ghostkeel Battlesuits (180pts)
Ghostkeel Shas'vre [Cyclic Ion Raker, Early Warning Override, Stimulant Injector, Twin-linked Fusion Blaster]

+ Troops (276pts) +

Breacher Team (161pts) [9x Fire Warrior with Pulse Blaster]
TY7 Devilfish [2x MV1 Gun Drone]

Strike Team (115pts) [8x Fire Warrior with Pulse Rifle, 2x MV7 Marker Drone]
Fire Warrior Shas'ui [Pulse Rifle]

+ Fast Attack (163pts) +

Pathfinder Team (163pts) [MB3 Recon Drone, MV31 Pulse Accelerator Drone, 9x Pathfinder]
Pathfinder Shas'ui [Pulse Carbine with Markerlight]

+ Heavy Support (70pts) +

XV88 Broadside Battlesuits (70pts)
Broadside [Early Warning Override, Twin-linked High-Yield Missile Pod, Twin-linked Smart Missile System]

++ Formation Detachment (Tau Empire: Codex (2015) (442pts)

Formation (442pts)

Ethereal Honour Guard (442pts)
Ethereal on Hover Drone [Hover Drone, 2x MV7 Marker Drone]
Strike Team [9x Fire Warrior with Pulse Rifle, 2x MV7 Marker Drone]
DS8 Tactical Support Turret [Missile Pod]
Fire Warrior Shas'ui [Pulse Rifle]
XV8 Crisis Battlesuits [2x MV1 Gun Drone, 2x MV7 Marker Drone]
Crisis Shas'ui [Early Warning Override, 2x Plasma Rifle]
Crisis Shas'ui [Early Warning Override, 2x Plasma Rifle]
Crisis Shas'vre [Early Warning Override, 2x Plasma Rifle]

Did no one ask the Lion what happened to Caliban?

>>50673375

Fuck off nigger, nobody liked it the first time you posted it either.

>>50672294
I want to get like 3 or 4 or them and put them in a wing, so i can drop an entire platoon from orbit (and because they are each 50pts less than a valkyre)

Why do people hate Tau? Is it the rules, fluff or models?

>>50673375
Why 1490? Add a member to the strike team to bring it to 1499.

>>50673375
what are the new formation's rules?

>>50673401
>implying I posted this before and didn't just make it

OK buddy, settle your tau hate boner and attempt to formulate an actual response.

Huh, all these new Relics for Khorne, and the Axe of Blind Fury is still the best Weapon for a Juggerlord. Bloodfeeder is both Unwieldy AND gives slightly fewer attacks than a regular Daemon Weapon on average thanks to the Juggernauts +1 A. Gorefather is unwieldy and not a Daemon Weapon. Berzerker Glaive makes you guy a lot easier to kill, and is AP3.

How does this look for World Eaters 1850?

++Butcherhorde Detachment
+Chaos Warband
Chaos Lord- Juggernaut, Sigil of Chaos, Mark of Khorne, VotLW, Axe of Blind Fury- 170
Chaos Space Marines (5)- Meltagun, Powerfist, Mark of Khorne, VotLW, Meltabomb- 125
Chaos Space Marines (5)- Meltagun, Powerfist, Mark of Khorne, VotLW, Meltabomb- 125
Chosen (5)- Meltagun (2), VotLW, Mark of Khorne- 120
Havocs (5)- Meltagun (2), VotLW, Mark of Khorne- 105
Raptors (5)- Meltagun (2), VotLW, Mark of Khorne, Powerfist, Meltabombs- 155
+Lord of the Legion
Chaos Lord- Juggernaut, Sigil of Chaos, Mark of Khorne, VotLW, Gorefather- 165
+Heldrake Terror Pack
Heldrake- Hades- 170
Heldrake- Hades- 170
+Spawn
17x Chaos Spawn- Mark of Khorne- 544

Spawn probably get broken into a bunch of 2-3 Spawn units. Might go 5-4-2-2-2-2. Fists and Meltabombs can move around.

>>50673425
Iirc each member gets a move before or after they shoot. Im pretty sure it's the eldar rule, battle focus?

>>50673421
Yes, YES, Sometimes.
Also, it's boring to fight an entirely gunline army. Guard are almost as bad, but they're willing to counter-charge occasionally, plus they aren't game-breaking.

>>50673421
Mostly their rules but some faggots hate the weeaboo aesthetic and a few autists are butthurt there's a faction that isn't 100% gothic grimdarkness.

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>tfw chose Eldar because they looked cool
>tfw mobility out the ass
>tfw it's too fucking OP
>tfw units themselves are too fucking strong

Goddamnit, 8th ed, hurry up and nerf them so I can feel good about playing

>>50673421
As a Tau player, there are several reasons why
1. Supporting fire
2. MCs that should/could be walkers
3. Markerlights
4. Undercosted riptides and stormsurges
5. OP formations (OSC) (riptide wing)
6. It's too easy for us to remove cover saves
7. Easy access to Interceptor + Skyfire

>>50673421
>>50673440

You forgot all the faggots who play Tau making the faction intolerable.

>>50673465
You mean like every other faction? Tau players arent cancer, its 40k players who are cancer.

>>50673477
>its /tg/ posters who are cancer
>its 4chan posters who are cancer
>its humans who are cancer

Fixed

>>50672457
>>>
FnP 6+, nerf old mob rule, max it out at ldr 10 but no fearless, if over 10 just get reroll at ld10 instead. Bosspoles can give plain stubborn. Leave low initiative but do give back old furious charge. Lower some points values, give squadrons of 1-3 to most heavy choices.

>>50673432
>World Eaters army
>almost all of it is shooting
What are you doing.

>>50673332
What special rules do Kriegers get, anyways?

>>50673523
Shooting still causes blood to be spilled.

>>50673527
higher WS, dont take morale from shooting, and their own special orders which revolve around fortifications and trenches/arty

>>50673543
So does menstruation, faggot. If glorious melee combat tightens your butt-cheeks so much then maybe you should play Tau.

>>50673579
Excuse me, did you just disparage Khorne's waifu?

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>>50673579
Anon theres no need to be upset
not even the guy who posted the list

How many Warp Charge is too many? Looking at taking a 2500 point daemon list to the monthly tourney that generates 36.

>>50673613
definitely potentially too many, but if someone gets a culexus/silent sisters in at you, you might be cucked

>>50673618
Eh, I've got triple Plegm Bomardment Soul Grinders, and I can summon more shooting as needed.

>>50673312
> TFW I play only CAD with an ungodly number of ouflankers as marines
> TFW when people hear I'm playing marines, so they bring out all the stuff for killing Centurions
> Ignores Cover out the ass, artillery ready to shell me from a distance, and all of the anti-tank I could ever imagine
> MFW I have 30 sternguard in rhinos, all combat-squadding with infiltrate, and 6 scout squads, for a total of 15 infiltrate/outflanking units.
> Tfw I bypass entire gunlines and win games the fun way against people that list tailor against Gladius or grav cents.

>>50673550
I like that except for the trenches bit. I'd probably use Catachans to fit the whole "sneaky japs" stereotype.

>>50673633
catachans have no special rules anymore bud
the best they have is straken

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>>50673606
What?

>>50673608
Fuck off Slaneeshi faggot. Shooting is for queers and xenos. Anyone who disputes that deserves to be cleaved in fucking half for their blasphemies towards the Eightfold Path.

Praise the Brass Citadel or get rekt.

>>50673651
Fuck I'm out of the loop.
Any suggestions?

>>50673661
You know you love slaanesh anon.

>>50673672

Fluff your own, use the old 4e Codex rules for build-a-regiment and fill in, revise, and ignore when needed. Add additional costs for these toys and you're good to go.

>>50673397
wait, when did the lion come back? i havent paid attention to fluff in a while, do we know more about the dark angels and cyphers deal and all that? was cypher the lion??

>>50673661
Khorne actually support Biomancer users, since Psychic powers are not sorcery, they are natural and biomancy isnt tricky nor deceptive. It makes you stronger to pound things easier.

>>50673700
Do you know where I can find these rules? Please don't tell me they're in the mega or I'll feel like an idiot.

>>50672899
Did you ever live in Kansas by any chance?

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>>50673686
>muh tsundere fag-shit
I already have a wife and she is war. Which is why Slaneeshi degenerates and Imperial heathens who pervert her must be killed on sight.

>>50673719
It is cheating, you worthless heretic. Our glorious Primarch knew this from the beginning, and guess what did he do to all the cancerous psykers that plagued the legion? He hacked them to fucking pieces. It's like you don't even know who the Huntsman is.

ABOHR THE WITCH
DENY THE WITCH
DESTROY THE WITCH

SUCH IS THE WORD OF THE SCRIPTURES OF SLAUGHTER
SUCH IS THE WILL OF THE BLOOD GOD

Would you allow someone to use a sonic dread instead of a helbrute in a chaos warband formation?

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So I analyzed the Kharn and Abaddon fight

>During the fight Abaddon balls up the Talon of Horus and punches and backhands Kharn with it
>At one point Abaddon grabs Kharn's unarmored arm and flings him away

From this we realize that Abaddon didn't want to kill Kharn. The Talon of Horus isn't mean to be used this way. It's suppose to be rend and tear. Impale and disembowel. His known usage of the Talon before this fight, had him slashing marines into shreds or impaling them with it. Each was an instantaneous death. Heck, he killed Horus Reborn with one thrust of the Talon.

Going by what have seen from the fight, any of the Talon blows would have been fatal had Abaddon used the Talon as it was suppose to be used. Abaddon's punches with the Talon were so fast that the story commented that Kharn couldn't see or react to them. Kharn would have been dead in the first blow or would have been serious maimed, if Abaddon just thrust the Talon forward instead of balling it.

The most telling thing that Abaddon didn't want to kill or seriously injure Kharn was one he grabbed Kharn's arm with the Talon. Instead of throwing him away unharmed, Abaddon could have crushed and shredded Kharn's arm by just applying a little pressure. Instead he chose to throw Kharn away from him unharmed as if to give Kharn some distance so that he won't be forced to hurt him seriously. You got to realize how delicately Abaddon would have to hold Kharn's arm and throw him bodily away without destroying Kharn's arm? Very delicately. The last character to have fallen within the grip of the Talon of Horus was an Eldar warlock and that xenos exploded into a fountain of gore when Abaddon closed the Talon on him.

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>>50672361
whats painted so far of my Crusade.

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>>50673807
>Abaddon pins Kharn down with the Drach'nyen locked with Gorechild. Abaddon is overpowering Kharn and slowly pushing Drach'nyen closer and closer to Kharn's head. Kharn is losing blood and is close to fainting. He can swing Gorechild around and cut off one of Abaddon's limbs but the cost would be Abaddon cleaving his skull

So from the start we get confirmation that Abaddon is physically stronger than Kharn but lets not get distracted with that.. There is a lot of things Abaddon could have done with the pinned Kharm.

1)He could have thrust the Talon forward and finished up the pinned Kharn

2) The safest option. Just shoot the pinned Kharn with the Talon's bolters. Kharn is in no position to defend himself from this

>A Bloodthisrter and a daemon army appears to break up the fight. A conversation takes place.

The BT smashes aside Abaddon and Kharn to end the fight. Abaddon is relieved at the arrival of the messanger of Khorne and demands that Khorne's honour his promise to him. Abaddon grips Drach'nyen tightly waiting for the reply of the Greater Daemon. The story says that if the Daemon gave a reply that angered Abaddon, Abaddon would have fought it to. This would have resulted in Abaddon fighting the Thirster, Kharn, and possibly the Bloodletter army surrounding them. This is how much Abaddon doesn't consider Kharn a threat. He was willing to fight a Greater Daemon and irs daemons at the same time as he was fighting Kharn. These were acceptable odds for the Warmaster.

And lastly. Abaddon not once had to draw upon the power of Drach'nyen. His ultimate trump card. Kharn wasn't a foe worthy of the full power of the End of Empires.

This whole fight makes Kharn like a chump. A child throwing a tantrum being chastised by an elder. justify this, /tg/.

>>50673814
still more than 99% of tg.

>>50673798

They... Uh. Yeah, they're in the Mega. Older Codices, look for Imperial Guard 3.5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1roRomkPLQ

This was actually pretty funny, kudos GW

>>50673824
Talon of horus what page??

>>50673798

Sorry, did not mean to link >>50673829 to you, but to >>50673755.

Also, I would allow the Sonic Dread, even if the rules might not agree, Mostly because I love the look and flavor of Sonic Dreads, even if I have to face one on the field.

>>50673788
>t is cheating, you worthless heretic
nope.
Besides Khorne hates slaneesh and it's neutral towards Tzeench "magic" and Nurgle"decay"
The fact that you are not familiar with your pantheon's enemies and allies it's fucking retarded. Your skull does not deserve a place on the throne.

"hacked them to pieces"
In what? ADB edgy shit? Puhhhlease! back in the day Khorne and the WE didnt give a shit about psykers as long as they brought blood to the blood god, hence biomancy.

>>50673807
>>50673824
What are you talking about?

>inb4 black library

>>50673824
Where is this fight source location anon?

>>50673839
GW is on a fucking ROLL

>>50673788
>It's like you don't even know who the Huntsman is.
the only true huntsman that I know was the Khan, Angron was a fucking gladiator.

>>50673870
>>50673841
Red Path series. The last story.

>>50673839
i feel like they just gave them free reign on videos; and it's working

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>>50672361

Here's my sisters. Most of them anyway. I have a few more Seraphim floating around and an armless canoness somewhere, too.

All I really need are a few more special weapons, maybe another exorcist, and more immolators, which I will be getting now that they're back on the market.

In the picture, I can get 2000 points out of it probably. Two units of melta doms, Seraphim, three squads of flamer heavy flamer troops, 2 exorcists, a full HB Ret squad, and a unit of 20 sisters on foot. The rets and the blob can be broken into four troops of 5 with a heavy bolter, too.

>>50673897

Anyone have a link to the Uplifting Primer website?

>>50673824
> justify this, /tg/.
Justify reading Black Library first? Especially an Abaddon book.

>>50673906
Regimental Standard?

https://regimental-standard com

>>50673220
>dark angels
>loyalist

pick one

>>50673909
It was a prelude to Traitor's Hate and I wanted to know why Kharn suddenly joined Abaddon when we know that he hates his faithless guts.

>>50673868
Those days are fucking over then, faggot. We literally have tactical objectives in both WE and KDK demanding the slaughter of cowardly witches like you. If ABD triggers you so much there are still Codex heroes like Scyrak the Slaughterer and the Huntsman. Every single piece of new fluff emphasizes Khorne's righteous hate for psykers and you conveniently ignore it.

No amount of Tzeenchian lies will save you from the teeth of my chainaxe. Every single witch on this galaxy WILL be slaughtered, from the disgusting Eldar xenos to the fucking False Emperor on his throne of lies.

>>50673824
>justify

GW didn't want kharn to die like a bitch so they embarrassed him even more

>>50673932
Everyone hates Abaddon. But they all also know that he has the military forces to back up his demands, and if nothing else, always manages to make good slaughter whenever he goads the other legions to war, so they will usually swallow that hate to focus on attacking the Imperium.

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>>50673928

>>50673432
are you actually walking around with all that melta?

and not taking CCW on any of your CSMs?

>>50673958
that dude on the far right is fucking stylin

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>>50673878
The Huntsman, young warrior. A Herald of the Bloodfather. Here's a quote


Fight or flee psyker, it matters not. I will rend you with my blade and revel in your blood. I will tear out your skull and flog you with it even as you die before I place it on the throne of Khorne!

-Final message transcription decoded by Astropath Sukord

Do they not make initiates read the Scriptures of Slaughter anymore?

>>50673950
Kharn hates Abaddon so much that he refuses to have anything to do with him. No amount of threats or goading can get Kharn to agree to follow Abaddon's wishes....

Until the Red Path series happened and it was revealed that Abaddon and Khorne had to beat some sense into Kharn until he yielded and agreed to serve Abaddon's cause.

My issue is that Kharn was portrayed too weak in the fight.

>>50673824
Not canon. Read Traitor's Hate, Kharn has literal anime-tier speed and stength.

>>50674001
>>50673996
>>50673971
>>50673878
>>50673882
>>50673909
>>50673932
>>50673946
>>50673950
>>50673841
>>50673824
>>50673807

>there's no canon

the books only exist so that autists like us will shit post about them and then buy more space marines

>>50674001
>Not canon.

Actually, canon. It explains why Kharn is on Abaddon's payroll.

>Kharn has literal anime-tier speed and stength.

And it appears Abaddon much faster and stronger than Kharn. If Kharn is Vegeta (Saiyan Saga), then Abaddon is Frieza.

So with Kharn being a no match for Abaddon, is there a loyalist or traitor marine out there who can fight Abaddon on an equal level.

Lucius the Eternal, maybe?

>>50674068

Probably Sangy

>>50674073
That's a Primarch doe.

>>50674084

Wrong Sangy

>>50674068
>>50674073
>>50674084
in short no

in long

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

>>50673996
>>50674034
All that was retconned in TH. Kharn never dealt with Abaddon not is said to be part of the BL forces, instead he was promised Death Company skulls by a BL sorcerer (who is also the guy who planned the whole operation) and then unleashed with his Maelstrom of Gore after the Crimson Slaughter got swept. He only got mad when they teleported him out of the battlefield because the sorcerer had "further use for him".

Though I admit it would be quite interesting to see 40K characters get into a training arms-race DBZ, with no permanent power-levels.

>>50674088
But the Sanguinor is not a marine doe.

>>50674068
I think Lucius could, and even if he's defeated, Abaddon is sure to be proud of the feat. So Lucius wins in the end.

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>>50673824
Welp reading your post again. It's just GW forcing Abadaba down our throats.

Kharn can't really die anyway because Khorne always brings him back.

He should've just killed Kharn like one punch man wait for him to revive and kill him again til kharn just goes fuck it.

And even though it's not explicit Khorne definitely revives Kharn regularly. Fucker dies almost as often as Lucius.

There's no justification other then mr No arms being forced as big bad despite he fact almost no one has liked him since forever.

>>50674099
I don't think so.

He was promised the skulls of the Death Company but it's doesn't say anything what got him on board to even negotiate his price.

Also in the end it's said that because ABADDON had further use of him so he was teleported aboard a ship.

>>50674107
>>50674103
>Kharn can't really die anyway because Khorne always brings him back.
>Lucius

Drach'nyen would consume both their souls and then there would be nothing for the gods to bring back. Like Abaddon, Drach'nyen is a free agent who serves no one but its will.

Fuck man why arent there any mini manufacturers that don't make ridiculous looking werewolf heads.

>>50674161

I just want some that make good Marine-scale diving bell helmet bits for a Kill Team of Star Krakens.

>>50674152
I would assume you would have to be killed by the sword rather than just next to it. So just kill him with the talon. There's very little more humiliating then serving abaddon even talos told him to fuck off.

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>>50674031
okay

>>50674107
>Kharn dies all the time because I say so
Nigger, he literally dodges plasma shots and cuts Knights to pieces in TH. Is it really that hard to believe he only died once?

>>50674126
If Kharn was on Abigail's orders don't you think they would've explicitly said so? There is NO mention at all of him even texting Abaddon. The whole book acts like if Red Path didn't exist.

You are literally trying to get mad at a non-issue. Red Path also makes Abaddon look like your average edgy cartoon villain unlike the charismatic leader we are shown in ToH. BL will never be canon becauss there are a shitload of different authors contradicting each other all the time.

But if you just want to bitch for no reason then I'll leave you to it.

>>50674190
I just want some that don't look like they're out of a cheap horror movie. I just wanna make some 13th company wolves.

>>50674203
Which once?

Died at siege.
Impaled on a dozer blade somewhere else.

I like kharn but they have fagged him up over time.

>>50674203
>If Kharn was on Abigail's orders don't you think they would've explicitly said so? There is NO mention at all of him even texting Abaddon. The whole book acts like if Red Path didn't exist.

This.

The BL ships even want to shoot him down before their boss tells them not to.

1k list for a objective heavy game.

+++ (993pts) +++

+ HQ +

···Warboss [Choppa, Gift: Headwoppa's Killchoppa, Slugga, Warbike]

···Zhadsnark 'Da Rippa' (FW) [Warlord, Zhadsnark]

+ Troops +

···19x Boyz [Shootas]
···Boss Nob [Big Choppa, Bosspole, Shoota]

···19x Boyz [Shootas]
···Boss Nob [Big Choppa, Bosspole, Shoota]

···19x Gretchin
···Runtherd [Grabba stik]

···19x Gretchin
···Runtherd [Grabba stik]

···5x Warbiker
···Warbiker Nob [Bosspole, Power Klaw]

···5x Warbiker
···Warbiker Nob [Bosspole, Power Klaw]

>>50673460
Honestly Tau rules read like a 14 year olds yugioh fanfic where the tau are the mysterious mary sue who's really a misunderstood good guy, who, each time he gets into a fight magically has the -exact- counter he needs to his opponents strategy.

Honestly I hate seeing tau players win because they act like it was well fought victory, when their rulebook may as well just say "tau win".

>>50674203
>If Kharn was on Abigail's orders don't you think they would've explicitly said so?

It wasn't important to the story why he was there, though. The most important part was the plan. In the end it shows that Abaddon was the guy controlling Kharn's fate teleporting him aboard a Black Legion and sending him to gods know where.

> Abaddon look like your average edgy cartoon villain

charisma is wasted on one such as Kharn. He had to be beaten down and shown his place. and not even that. It took a Thirster verbally and physically beating on him until he yielded to Abaddon.

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>>50672797

>>50674246
>mysterious

The Tau are not mysterious or are they good guys. They are the weakest faction in the fluff. Only stronger than maybe the Eldar.

>>50674161
There are lots that don't.

>>50674273
>trying to measure factions up by their arbitrary """""strength"""""

No Anon, you are the retard. You're also missing >>50674246's point entirely anyway.

>>50673824
>the nigga main-lining all four chaos gods and decked out with enough Chaos bling to make the Magpies jealous
>versus the dude whose claim to fame is stabbing allies in the back
Of course Kharn got his ass beat. If there is an HQ unit that could be made into a LoW and given a statline appropriate for a LoW, it's Abaddon.

>>50674220
Only at the siege. The dozer blades didn't kill him, he went into the Astartes-comma thing. Fucking Loken cheated.

>>50674248
Nice speculation, but I'm talking facts here. There is no evidence in TH that Kharn and Abbadon ever met each other. Furthermore, if Kharn was there on Khorne's orders it is even a bigger reason for including it in...

Nice cherry-picking too. Sadly for you, I read the first 3 books in the series and Abaddon was being the same edgelord with a stick up his ass that he's always been.

>>50674283
Like who? Maxmini and puppetswar are the only okay ones I've found.

>>50674107
>Abadaba

My fucking sides

>ABBA D
>GLORIOUS HE

>>50672362
Ski-tar-ee-RYE

>>50674304
Most don't do werewolf heads at all.

>>50674302
>ice speculation, but I'm talking facts here. There is no evidence in TH that Kharn and Abbadon ever met each other.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. There is no proof for your claim. Kharn singling out those planets and furthering Abaddon's agenda is not an accident,

> I read the first 3 books in the series and Abaddon was being the same edgelord with a stick up his ass that he's always been.

Cite them.

>>50674311
How the fuck do I do this

>>50674328

Electromagnets.

>>50674328

Fucking MAGNETS. Like one of those magnet science toys.

>>50674313
What's it like being wrong?

>>50674313

The meme...it's transforming before my very ryes

>>50674342
>>50674343
Obviously but is there a guide

>>50674302
Yeah well BL made him into a wimpier version than before. He's "died" twice. Once is cool, twice is a pattern.

>>50674320
>Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. There is no proof for your claim. Kharn singling out those planets and furthering Abaddon's agenda is not an accident,
YOU are the one who made the claim of Red Path being a canonical preview to TH, YOU are the one who has to prove it.

>Cite them
Nigger it's 3am I'm on my bed typing from the phone right now. But are you going to tell me Abaddon wasn't being retardedly stereotypically edgy towards that Black Legion captain in Furnaces of Haeleon with all that "muh ego" shit? He literally almost murdered him on the spot for slightly raising his tone after Mr. Armless publicly humilliated him for no reason.

>>50674359
>install primary magnet in base
>install secondary magnet in bottom of model

The guy who made the videos didn't do a tutorial but it shouldn't be any harder than installing LED lights and wires.

>>50674383
>almost murdered him
Are you sure? That doesn't sound like Abaddon. I thought he was meant to be 'armless.

>>50674377
That goes for Khorne in general though. Every time some shitty BL author wants to wank his main character they show them killing a Khornate champion or Daemon. This ends up making us look like a joke in spite of our supossed might.

That's why I only take GW material as 'canon'.

>>50674401
Now you're just being salty.

>>50674417
I'm not salty, I'm someone else entirely.

I just wanted to jump in and make a bad pun ;-;

>>50674383
>YOU are the one who made the claim of Red Path being a canonical preview to TH, YOU are the one who has to prove it.

And you made the claim it's not canonical for no reason at all. Tratior's Hate doesn't go into why Kharn was specifically there but it was shown that his arrival was expected and counted on by the Black Legion command and was an integral part of the plan. It ended with Abaddon having Karn rescued because "He had further use for him". This implies what Red Path series is correct.

So again, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. So you must find a proof for your claims that A) RP is not canon. B) That Kharn wasn't there for Abaddon.

>He literally almost murdered him on the spot for slightly raising his tone after Mr. Armless publicly humilliated him for no reason.

Misread your post. I thought you said that you read three different books.

And Abaddon was always a dick to the chaft/cannon fodder that he didn't view as important. He is charismatic to those who might find useful like Khayon, Kranon, and that turncoat Iron Warrior from one of the "Age of Chaos" stories.

>>50674359
Install the magnets so they push apart instead of pull together.

>>50674417
>That's why I only take GW material as 'canon'.

Good for you but everything is canonical unless GW says otherwise or overwrites/rewrites it.

>>50674446
>Abaddon was always a dick

IIRC planet killer use to team kill in BFG when abs would get mad at his own ships. Abs has always been a tool, I like to think dracyn leads him around and orders his breakfast for him. Like the 40k version of a special needs carer.

>>50674476
Again, killing chaft and cannon fodder. Every CSM Lord does it. Abaddon is not unique in that regard.

What he is unique in is his brotherhood with who he considers useful and worthy like Khayon and Tech-Pokemon or whatever he is called.

>>50674446
You still haven't provided any evidence of Kharn having met with Abaddon. Of course Kharn's arrival was expected, the Sorcerer had promised him Blood Angel skulls which is stated to be the reason he was there. He did not spare a single tought about Abaddon, nor it is implied he had knowledge of his involvement.

>And Abaddon was always a dick to the chaft/cannon fodder that he didn't view as important. He is charismatic to those who might find useful like Khayon, Kranon, and that turncoat Iron Warrior from one of the "Age of Chaos" stories.
Comfirmed for not having read ToH. He was nice even to Khayon's fucking Rubrics.

>>50672276
So are nu sisters of battle confirmed or not?

>>50674446
Im not the guy youre arguing with but GW just ignored the crap out of BL with the Traitor Legions release. This isnt the only time theyve done that either.

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>>50674506

>>50674506
Confirmed to be unconfirmed but maybe coming in feb but also no ETA

They're not coming anon

>>50674476
>BFG
Not canon. Don't even bother replying, read up the timeline of the Gothic War then come back and apologize.

>>50674506
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>50674525
You can tell me how I'm wrong or go back to being a faggot

>>50674502
>You still haven't provided any evidence of Kharn having met with Abaddon

How many times do I have to be say the absence thing?

>Of course Kharn's arrival was expected, the Sorcerer had promised him Blood Angel skulls which is stated to be the reason he was there.

Which could have been negotiated after Red Path concluded.

>He did not spare a single tought about Abaddon, nor it is implied he had knowledge of his involvement.

Except when he teleported and raged at Abaddon saving him from certain death alongside his fellow Khornates.

>Comfirmed for not having read ToH. He was nice even to Khayon's fucking Rubrics.

Which was a show to Khayon and likely nothing more. Khayon noticed that beneath Abaddon's calm charisma was disguised rage.


>>50674511
Like what?

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> Just starting with 40K

I've got some spess mehreens on the way, what color should I paint them?

How retarded would this scheme look?

>>50674542
>Like what?
Most of it tbqh.

You should read it im not going to post pages of stuff. A lot of it is based of the older lore pre-BL and only mentions a few BL ideas.

>>50674576
I read it and there nothing of the sort. Only the AL was pointed out and it mentions bloody Omegon which is a BL creation. The AL mentions why the Legion rebelled but it omits Omegon's and Alpha's involvement in the HH and their movivation. So you don't know if GW acknowledges it or not. Only select few in the AL knew why their legion sided with Horus.

>>50674506
They did a "Why would you trust a guy in a dustbin post" that has since been removed from their FB.

>>50674566
Very.

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>>50674506

>>50674537
>too afraid to check himself because he already shrekt himself

>>50674542
>How many times do I have to be say the absence thing?
How many times do I have to say the burden of proof thing?

>Which could have been negotiated after Red Path concluded.
More speculation.

>Except when he teleported and raged at Abaddon saving him from certain death alongside his fellow Khornates
Please cite where it is said he was specifically mad at Abaddon. And it is dubious to say it was certain death when it was said that several bands were still roaming about and probably escaped as well.

>Which was a show to Khayon and likely nothing more
A 'nice show' which even the Rubrics noticed.

>Khayon noticed that beneath Abaddon's calm charisma was disguised rage.
'Lava' as it was mentioned could be a lot of things that aren't rage. Which still didn't stop Khayon from willingly dedicating his life to serving him and his cause. You think the guy who managed to make Daemon Magnus kneel would've known if his intentions were false.

>>50674593
>>50674603
Yes that one, looks like they pulled the entire conversation thread.

>>50674611
>too afraid

The sky is red go check yourself. Nah prove it or shut the fuck up faggot.

>>50674566

Stop putting the colors on random parts like the belt and cuffs and elbow. That's not what any space marine chapter looks like.

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>>50674638
>the sky is red go check yourself
Your move, faggot.

>>50674611
>How many times do I have to say the burden of proof thing?

Abd how many times do I have to repeat absence. You cannot proof that RP is not canon by what's in TH.

>More speculation.

"The Khornate horde that attacked Amethal was a ragged and fractious alliance of bloodthirsty lunatics, held together by the unbreakable will of Khârn the Betrayer. Separate from the invasion force led by Lord Xorphas, Khârn’s Butcherhorde nonetheless furthered the will of the Black Legion thanks to the machinations of Abaddon the Despoiler".

It doesn't say he was promised skulls by the sorcerer by the way. He was there because Abaddon planneed for him to be there

>Please cite where it is said he was specifically mad at Abaddon.

"Khârn felt his fury rising. He had been snatched from glorious battle, had been forced to leave the faithful of Khorne to their holy end as if he were some slave of Abaddon’s to be borne away at will. Gorechild revved in Khârn’s fist, and the magi had just enough time to shriek in panic before he came for their heads.

>A 'nice show' which even the Rubrics noticed.


Irrelevant.

>'Lava' as it was mentioned could be a lot of things that aren't rage. Which still didn't stop Khayon from willingly dedicating his life to serving him and his cause. You think the guy who managed to make Daemon Magnus kneel would've known if his intentions were false.

Khayon was starved for a purpose and companionship. This would led him on this illogical and dangerous misadventure in the first place. He would believe in something false if it filled the hole in his soul.

>>50674649
Its still your move you retard. Prove your assertion. BFG isn't canon because what? Some timeline. Prove it. I literally thought you would tell me then I would go fair enough anon, but you seem to be afflicted with some kind of tism. Just kill yourself instead.

>>50674068
If we are talking lore, I'd like to think Commander Dante could. If we are talking rules, the Calgar or Grimnar.

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hey what's going on in th-

>it's a carnac speging about abababadon episode
oh

>>50674673
Not him.

But didn't some of the BFG lore get retconned by the Black Legion supplement?

>>50674725
Well anon, that's actually helpful holy shit. I wonder does it invalidate a rule from the game BFG where Abs use to shoot his own guys, which is not even fluff. Maybe it does and says Abs is a swell guy who's cool and not a failure.

>>50674709
If this was fucking carnac I finally understand.

>>50674673
Do you really expect me to post the whole page you retarded nigger? Go read it yourself or enjoy being wrong like the little bitch you are.

>>50674761
It doesn't but it doesn't show Abaddon firing at his men either in the Gothic War section. It just says that he outmaneuvered and outthought the Imperial forces until the Eldar gave the Imperials access to the Webway.

Also isn't Abaddon playable in the BFG game? I don't recall him having a special skill about shooting allied ships in that game.

>>50672405
Increase shots on all weapons by 1 at minimum. Army-wide 'Ah, Close 'Nough' rule- reroll shots which would have hit if the die roll were 1 higher (so 4s in virtually all cases, 5s on OW).

>>50674780
BFG video game*

What would a decent start to a world eaters army look like for a newfag?

>>50674780
It's also a different guy who sacrifices himself at the end.

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>>50674566
So these guys as space marines? I can dig it.

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>>50674780
Thats the rule Im talking about.

>>50674725
>But didn't some of the BFG lore get retconned by the Black Legion supplement?
Not particularly. If I'm remembering right it doesn't go into much detail about the gothic war. Armada has slight inaccuracies, but that's more because it has to fit in a player character doing things.

>>50674761
And now you know.

>>50674794
Maelstrom of Gore
x15 Zerkers, 2 squads
x8 Zerkers, 2 squads

Hellforged Warpack
x4 Maulerfiend
1 Hellbrute

Spend the rest on your Lord, Warpsmith and Upgrades. Against fliers bring Heldrakes instead of the warpack.

>>50674643
Dont listen to him
Play chaos space marines
laugh at people who tell you how your dudes should look

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>>50674811

It's supposed to be the colors from Steam's chat client, but honestly I don't know wtf I'm doing so it just sorta came out looking like some asshole cosplayer who went to cosmic bowling night

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So whats the weakest ?
A rubric Marines force (without primarch or deamon, just marines/arhiman etc)
or an ork force ?

>>50674817
>that Girlyman's quote

Was girlyman alive at the time of the first crusade? And fierce glee? He really doesn't know what Abaddon went through.

>>50674864
>first thing he does is loot his commander's body for shit
gosh, being abbadingdong is so hard, so trying

how brave and noble he must be to live life on borrowed arms

>>50674843
>>berzerkers
literally why? for four points cheaper you have all the same special rules and statline minus WS5 and access to better equipment. Hell for two points cheaper you can even have bolters AND pistols and ccws.

>>50674858
Pick one colour. 95% of your Space Marine is going to be that colour.

>>50674654
>Abd how many times do I have to repeat absence. You cannot proof that RP is not canon by what's in TH.
And how many times do I have to say burden of proof. RP not canon unless TH proves it.

>Separate from the invasion force led by Lord Xorphas, Khârn’s Butcherhorde nonetheless furthered the will of the Black Legion thanks to the machinations of Abaddon the Despoiler".
It literally says they were a separate force. Though I guess it's just your confirmation bias speaking for you at this point.

Since you have the book in hand you should read up that whole chapter. It is stated by several characters including Kharn that they were there for the skulls of the Death Company.

>Khârn felt his fury rising. He had been snatched from glorious battle, had been forced to leave the faithful of Khorne to their holy end as if he were some slave of Abaddon’s to be borne away at will.
>as if he was some slave
Which confirms he wasn't working for Abaddon.

>Irrelevant
You're the one who claimed the 'nice touch' was somehow proof of Abaddon being a fake even though the fucking Rubrics acknowledged him.

>He would believe in something false if it filled the hole in his soul
More speculation.

>>50674879
Abaddon didn't ask to hold the burden of mankind's survival as well as balancing madness of the traitor's and gods on a knives edge. He just does it because it's his duty and what he was created to do. There is no glee in what he does. Only bitterness and hate.

Girlyman can never understand a man like Abaddon the same way he could never understand his father.

>>50674890
Please tell me how to take CSM in the Maelstrom of Gore and get +3" charge on both units without relying on sticking a IC with the artifact.

>>50674566
you should definitely do them in this scheme

>>50673459

It's literally two weapon profiles numbnuts. If you're not taking D or scatbikes you're upper mid. It's fucking easy to build a fair list.

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>>50674858
>>50674897

Here's that scheme but actually good looking.

>>50674911
>burden of mankind's survival
>literally carries the marks of all four gods of chaos
also goolima'am doesn't care about understanding his father because he's not a mental case failure with daddy issues

>>50674890
Without WS 5 you miss with half of your attacks, which means kiss your ass goodbye against any target that cam actually put up a fight. But more importantly, +3 charge range AND Fleet from the formation. 2d6 just by themselves are worse than a Rhino.

>>50674930
In my LGS we have an unwritten rule. If people play Eldar, they don't get a game. We just pack our models away.

>>50674954
sounds gay

>>50674863
An Ork force would beat a Rubic force through weight of fire.

Seriously, they get like 15 or so guys per 1000 points?
What were GW thinking?

>>50674954
You guys are assholes.

>>50674954
Way to be an asshole to people who like differently sculpted army men than you.

are there anyways to make the khorne beserker models look a little less shitty?

>>50674954
Do you at least fuck over tau aswell?

Will Imperial Angents be relevant in 8E even though it's a 7E release?

Also what was the name of the new Traitor book that just got added to the op list?

>>50674984
Most of us play Tau so... no.

>>50674954
wow u are so tough omg wow

>>50674970
>>50674969
>>50674960
>eldar queers mad because they don't get to table honest players 24/7
The horror!

>>50674901
>And how many times do I have to say burden of proof. RP not canon unless TH proves it.

Which was proven by RP. There is nothing in disproves it.

>Since you have the book in hand you should read up that whole chapter. It is stated by several characters including Kharn that they were there for the skulls of the Death Company.

And it says that he was there because of Abaddon's machinations. The next line says that though Kharn was there to reap the worthiest of skulls, he was so out of it that he doesn't remember if it was Khorne that sent him there or was it something else.

And it was separate force from the Sorcerer's force.

>Which confirms he wasn't working for Abaddon.

Nope, like I said, Kharn's mind was so out of it that he doesn't know why he was sent there. Also even in RP conclusion, he didn't consider himself Abaddon's slave.

>You're the one who claimed the 'nice touch' was somehow proof of Abaddon being a fake even though the fucking Rubrics acknowledged him.

Rubrics are mindless. They don't acknowledge that mundane with their witchsight. If they turned to look at Abaddon, then it means that they saw something magical about his aura.

>More speculation.

Ain't speculation. Khayon's starvation for brotherhood had befriending a xenos and even that wasn't enough. His loneliness was killing him. So it's unthinkable for him to befriend Abaddon despite what of Abaddon's true intetion that he would choose to ignore..

Remember that Abaddon killed anyone who tried to kill the Weeping Girl regardless of who they were or how close they were to him. This aggravated Khayon. Abaddon puts his goals above friendship.

>>50674978
not really. Combining them with the normal chaos marines or old warriors of chaos plastics to avoid their giant hands. They need a new box set eventually.

>>50674990
kek

>>50674954
>>50674992
>Actually falling for the meme that all players in a specific faction are the same and use the same netlists

>>50674990
This explains it. _____Nice one :^)_____

>>50674978
Forgeworld, or did you mean something affordable?

>>50674992
Don't play Eldar, play Word Bearers.

Those guys are still assholes. And they all play Tau too. >>50674990

>>50674990
Funny cunt

>>50674992
MT desu

every eldar player's army is WK + scatterbike spam
every tau player's army is stormsurges and riptides up the ass

in the grim darkness of 40k general, there is only shitposting

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Sisters player here.

What exactly is the agents of the Imperium and am I forced to use it instead of my own codex?

Heard We are losing one of our two characters in that book atleast, the saint of all things, so I'm utterly confused.

I never bought into the sisters "release" hype, been burned too many times, but gutting what little we had and Black templaring us seems extream even for GW.

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>>50674912
You won't, but you'd probably be better off with 276 more points of anything that isn't khorne berzerkers? Feel free to prove me wrong, but in practice I've yet to see khorne berzerkers do anything other than be a 19-22 point T4 3+ guy who dies like a punk.

At least the csm give you more units, more bodies, and other shit to be scary with to take the heat off your power armor men. The zerkers are just too many points per model. The additional movement is nice, but I don't see it being better than fielding their number in guys with the same durability and special rules, a nearly identical statline, AND a great deal of points worth of fast stuff to back them up like bikezerkers.

>>50673281

This skips out on the theatre that saw the most fighting for the IJA in WW2, China.

>>50673034

Japan produced relatively few tanks in WW2 due to two factors; the Navy got the majority of manufacturing focus, so most steel went to them. Secondly, the main enemy Japan was fighting was China, who had few tanks of their own. Japanese tank doctrine was based around using tanks to support infantry. They were not designed to go after enemy armour.

As the war went on they did start to up-gun some existing models and work on something that could take on a Sherman. They did eventually get to that point, but none of the models saw combat before the bombs fell on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

With that in mind, you're looking at primarily an infantry based force. Japan's military system was extremely brutal. Cruelty was a common tool, as was indoctrination. Closest you'll get to that in IG is lots of Commissars. Retreat is not something you're going to be doing.

Japan did make extensive use of cavalry in Manchuria and China in general. Furthermore Japanese tactical doctrine was highly focused on speed. Bicycle mounted troops were used to great effect in the Malaysia campaign. Troops tended to be lightly armed, and unlike other forces in WW2 that heavily used SMGs, Japan made little use of them. Only around 23,000 of the standard Japanese SMG were produced in the war.