Horus Heresy General /hhg/

Can someone flood ADB's blob page with this wierd bookcover things?

Literally crash the site

Second for Ravens Talons should be a free swap for LCs

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third for anyone wanna redpill me on whether or not I should get the lascannon deredeo or the autocannon one?

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>>50621998
Anon, we can't do that. Let him just be confused about the pics.

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The Iron Warriors saved mankind and the imperium at Istvaan V through banter and bitterness.

>>50622032
Do you need help cracking heavy tanks? Then its good, maybe not a must and a bit expensive but it looks good. You could potentially penetrate a tank 4 times in a single shooting phase.

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sexy atramentar

>>50622103
on the one hand, 50 extra points...but on the other, I think the model looks awesome and probably won't be as floppy/bendy as most other deredeos I see with autocannons, but on the other hand, 50 points...

>>50622111
I was wondering when those guys would come out. That helmet isn't standard Cataphractii is it?

>>50622144
50 points is nothing

>>50622170
>That helmet isn't standard Cataphractii is it?

It's one of the standard ones from the plastic kit so far as I know

>>50622170
Sure looks standard.

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>>50622111
Wait are they for real Atramentar? A Cataphractii unit only armed with Chainglaives would be awful! Slower than Phoenix Blades, cannot run or sweep, lack even conditional AP2, only Rending. A Lightning claw unit would probably be better.

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>>50622209
>>50622211
Lens look a little different than this.

>>50622266
Only because it's painted differently. It's just a flat surface when it's unpainted.

>>50622266
He's probably squinting through his helmet because he's angry, Clint Eastlwood style

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>>50622266
Its just a standard plastic cataphract with the chainglaive kit they just started selling.

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>>50622283
>>50622298
I guess I can take that.
>>50622293
What about this Fist?

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>>50622333
The Fist
>>50622266
The bad


And the Bitter

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>>50622424
I'd watch that. Didn't that IW get abandoned on Istvaan?

>>50622453
Yes, he was considered unstable and was left on Istvaan V to hunt the Ravens. Records say he chose to remain, and I think the Ravens end up killing all three IW killgroups one by one.
Corax went full Predator on a Dreadnought, ripped its spine out, that kind of stuff.

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Finally built one of my UM praetors. I just need to clean up some of my greenstuff work, then I can begin on the others

>>50622506
Did they honestly think they could find a bunch of sneaky Beakies being sneaky?

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>>50622614
Slightly different angle

>>50622614
>>50622629
Mhmm, artificer MkIII
>>50622616
At that time Iris Kendrel had not yet invented the Ironfire, and they didn't know about Thiel's thesis on hot marine x marine action, but we all know the disporportionate amount of casualties the Istvaan III survivors inflicted on the traitors.
I mean, the EC losts what, 50 000 marines out of 110 000.

>>50622616
Should've just nuked them like they did the Salamanders.

>>50622614
>>50622629
With courage and Honor brother!

I like his belt buckle

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>>50622616
Sneeki breeki

>>50622662
>At that time Iris Kendrel had not yet invented the Ironfire, and they didn't know about Thiel's thesis on hot marine x marine action, but we all know the disporportionate amount of casualties the Istvaan III survivors inflicted on the traitors.
>I mean, the EC losts what, 50 000 marines out of 110 000.
Do you count the loyalists within the EC with those are not?
>>50622665
You'd think they'd run out.

>>50622716
Yes, both.
The DG in comparison lost about 20 000 marines, but maybe half or more of their armoured vehicles.

Is anyone else extremely worried that Inferno has been delayed, and keeps being delayed, because the Thousand Sons keep playtesting like shit?

We know the SW win in the lore but how do you represent all the shit that held them back in the lore with out it playing like shit on the tabletop?

>>50622800
Good shit or bad shit?
>Inb4 shit shit

How careful should I be about ordering HH stuff from ebay? I'm assuming everything shipping from china is a recast.

>>50622453

>HH movie starting Jhonson, Magnus, and Alpharius

The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe

>>50622814
Could honestly be both. The psychic phase can be busted OP or completely useless depending on rolls and restrictions. And if the entire legion is revolving around that? Welcome to balance hell. Add into this the new SoS into this as well lol and welcome to 3 years of delays. Thats just what Im worried about anyway.

>>50622800
>keep playtesting like shit?
source?

>>50622800
>We know the SW win in the lore but how do you represent all the shit that held them back in the lore with out it playing like shit on the tabletop
That has absolutely nothing to do with game rules.

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>>50622880

> Lion
> Not the Wardrobe

>>50622662
>>50622672
Do you think I'd get much flak for counting his back ornament as an iron halo?

>>50622035

Why is Chris Wraight on there.

>>50622883
What do you mean source? I was stating my worries with the long delay. I'm just wondering what other people think.

>>50622915
>That has absolutely nothing to do with game rules.
True, but they do have to be balanced within the game. Do you understand what I mean?

If the question of winning or losing as the TS is did they bring sisters of silence? Then shit will be pretty boring pretty quickly. But that doesnt have to be the question it could be well these psychic powers make this too good and these ones are all bad. What happens if we balance around these one but they get or use the others? Hmmm...

>>50622978
He's one of the "major" BL writers so he had to go up there. For a Dong Hunter he's not too bad.

>>50622928
>Lion
>not the Lion

Alpharius also likes to change

>>50623025

I'd say he's bretty gud.

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>>50622974
Nah. It's not too different to what Garro does, but if you want to add stuff to it, well that's fine too.

>>50623061
So far he's the only BL author not to get complaints.

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So I fuckin hate FW's Sigismund and want to fix him.

Gonna transplant the praetor's legs on him.

Use some mkII arms combined with some Custode gloves for that old school 30k glove look.

Use Polux's shoulder pads.

Give him a better looking Iron Halo and shave off that stupid head laurel and greenstuff some fuckboi hair on him.

Some chains on his sword arm too ofcourse.

Did a mockup on MS paint.

>>50622032
Can you skyfire with the Lascannons? If you can, then they should be better than the autocannons. The exoshock rules allow a second penetrating hit with ignores cover, so even if they could get a jink save versus the first one, the second will slip through and wreck the bird.

>>50623106
He's got that ISHYGDDT look.

>>50623106
custodes gloves aren't exactly to scale, and he may end up looking like a gorilla

>>50623142
holy shit I didn't even think about that. and yeah the helical array should give it skyfire. next question: atomantic pavaise or missiles worth it for a deredeo? was thinking of the missiles purely based on rule of cool.

>>50623010
Just let them use certain units to give them 1 extra warp charge, like Orks, so for every infantry unit you get an extra dice then counter that by saying if any psyker gets perils then they are removed from play instantly. BAM! Bunch of psychic dice, bunch of choices to make.

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>>50623106
>stupid head laurel
Plebeian taste, but it's still better than the Baldismund FW is trying to push.

>>50623182
He is Death's Champion for a reason m8

>>50623201
Are you using it alone on the backline? Then the bonus few ap3 shots would be cool. Especially if you stay put, because your main weapons would have skydive and cannot shoot ground targets effectively.

Are you gunlining with iron warriors or the like? Then the 4++ plus 6++ to guys nearby might be worth it.

Honestly, you should be using this thing for backfield flier/heavy tank killing. The 4++ will be better suited so you can sit him out in the open and not be LoS blocked by ruins or some shit. And this is 30k. You should have enough ap3 in your army to not need 3 more shots.

>>50623289
Skyfire not skydive

Sorry, I'm on my phone.

>>50623277
Praetor Harambus, never forget.

>>50623289
awesome response, thanks man. and finally my last question: what are people using as a proxy for the atomantic pavise?because there's a giant gaping hole in the top of the deredeo.

>>50623304
>>50623289
>your main weapons would have skyfire and cannot shoot ground targets effectively.
I thought that only mattered when Intercepting stuff. As in, you Intercept with Skyfire in the enemy's turn because you haven't moved, and if you want to shoot at ground targets the next turn (and obviously didn't intercept so you can actually shoot anything) then you simply move and lose Skyfire (but also Interceptor)

>>50623336
Someone post the police dread Deredeo wee oo wee oo wee oo

New Night Lords anon here again

I am thinking about buying and cannibalizing a bunch of CSM Raptors for my night lords. I think it will work, but I'd like a second opinion.

Night Raptors get MKIV torso and head, raptor/talon arms/claws, pack, and legs.

Terror squads without Volkite get raptor BP/CCW and torso, MkIII everytning else

Volkite Terror Squads and other Marines get MkIII everything

I was also thinking about giving the raptors MkIII heads, and maybe putting the talon heads on the terror squad.

Would this work? I think it would give me some spooky NL

Can someone post a MkIV marine next to a MkVII marine? I want to know the size differences in the kneepads for painting some decals on, like company markings.

>>50623341
"If the Deredeo chooses to neither move nor Run in its turn it may, if its controlling player wishes, gain the Skyfire and Interceptor special rules for that entire game turn (ie, both the controlling player’s turn and their opponent’s following player turn) for all of its weapons except its heavy bolters/heavy flamers."

Unfortunately it doesnt say that you get to CHOOSE to Skyfire, just that your weapons gain skyfire. So snap shots at ground targets.

Turn 1 get into position and shoot tanks. Turn 2 stay still and shoot tanks/fliers, intercepting fliers. Turn 3 fliers should be dead, can't shoot weapons that intercepted. Turn 4 mop up fliers/tanks.

If you stay stationary, just don't choose to gain skyfire if you dont need it.

>>50623426
>I think it will work, but I'd like a second opinion.
Its the same as my first and third opinion, yes.

Night Lords are right up there with Word Bearers and World Eaters for leading examples of "typical" CSM among the traitor legions. Given that they were THE trendsetters for over-the-top brutality and sadism with the use of mutilated remains of their victims Its hard to argue against the use of CSM bits and kits for 30k NL. Heck, it might even suit them better than the FW resin kits because of how much effort they made to have the edgiest armor possible.

If you can't get hype over an army coated in dismembered remains and skullspikes purely for the sake of shock value and gore over bland, perfectly uniform marks of factory-fresh armor than you need to seriously reconsider if you actually want to play Night Lords.

>>50623662

I'm just making sure, sorry.

I can get hype, trust me. I was just freaking out because the first time (wasn't in the last few threads) I asked about using raptors as legion raptors, I took shit for it and put it aside for awhile. You've helped, though, so thanks.

So, on the topic, I'm doing it.

Who should get what heads? I think the MkIII grate would look cool on a raptor, but the MKIV heads are also pretty cool.

>>50623083
whenever I look at garro's face, I see max payne.

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>My Praetor is MKVII
>I just say it's his Siege of Terra armor

AND NO ONE CAN STOP ME.

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>>50623909
I never said I would. Show us how he looks and we can judge you accordingly.

>>50623755
If people give you crap because you use plastic in 30k then the best solution is to counter-grognard them by bringing up the Visions of Heresy artbooks and IA articles. Furthermore, Night Lords are the epitome of style over substance so anyone insisting that Night Lords would even care about dumb crap like "supply lines" "standardization" or "common sense" is obviously far too unfamiliar with Night Lords for their opinion on the matter to mean anything.

Besides, the proper response for a Night Lords legionnaire in response to anything ever would be to call him a loyalist while throwing another infant on the barbecue

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>>50623909
>mfw my Master of the Armor has a Black Templar MkVIII chest, MkIII backpack, hands, shoulder pads and head and armed with a Heavy Bolter and a lighting claw plus a BT banner to represent the re-roll morale buff

Mixing armor marks is love.

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What would you guys use for a right shoulder pad for a Delegatus? I was figuring on pic related, but I dunno, maybe you guys have a cooler idea.

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>>50623954
I recommend these. They are usually seen on trustworthy individuals with reliable orders from your legion's High Command

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Good night, /hhg/. I made this just for you guys since I didn't do a thread summary.

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>>50624061
And in case you want the unedited version.

>>50623946

Thank you. That is exactly what I needed to hear.

I'm picking up a box of raptors right now so I can get to work when I get home.

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How Is the Horus Heresy: Primarch Series
Anyone have links to it?

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Trying to make a 2500 point Zone Mortalis list with the shitty, tiny force org chart.

Fucking kill me.

World Eaters – Zone Mortalis Assault Force – 2253 Pts.
~HQ~
Legion Praetor - 185
-Power Fist
- Paragon Blade
-Digital Lasers
-Iron Halo

~ELITES~
Red Butchers – 295
-The Devoured w/2 Chainfists

Legion Veteran Squad - 221
-4 Power Swords
-Heavy Bolter
-Sergeant w/Lightning Claw and Artificer Armour

~TROOPS~
Legion Tactical Squad – 240
-5 Additional Marines
-Legion Vexilla
-Extra CCW's
-Sergeant w/Power Sword, Melta Bombs, and Artificer Armour

Legion Cataphractii Terminator Squad – 202
-Heavy Flamer
-Sergeant w/Thunder Hammer, Combi-Melta and Grenade Harness
-Deep Strike

Legion Tartaros Terminator Squad – 460
-5 Additional Terminators
-10 Volkite Chargers
-5 Lightning Claws
-2 Power Fists
-3 Chainfists

~FAST ATTACK~
Rampager Squad - 255
-5 Additional Rampagers
-Champion w/Power Fist and Artificer Armour

~HEAVY SUPPORT~
Legion Heavy Support Squad- 160
-Autocannons

Jetbike Sky Hunter Squadron - 235
-Plasma Cannons
-Chainaxes
-Sky Hunter Sergeant w/Power Axe

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>>50624464
2500 points ZM...................what in the actual fuck bro, are you playing on like the hugest table in the known world?

>>50623307
Actually just did a quick MkII and Custode Glove splicing, and gotta say it looks normal.

>>50624464
>World eaters
>Not running 6 full tac squads with all chain weapons and apothecaries randomly flailing around the he tsblr

>>50623426
mixing HH plastics and the raptor kit won't look tooo great, since the raptor kit is loaded with details where the mkIV is relatively spartan

You could honestly use it as-is, provided you shave off/fill in the overt chaos symbols. They've got modified mkIV helms in the box.

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>>50624464
>zone mortalis
>jetbikes
>zone mortalis
>heavy support squads
>zone mortalis
>no apothecaries
>zone mortalis
>Z E R O dreadnoughts

>>50623909
>over two thirds (decreasing though) of my loyalist IW are in MKVII
>I just say 'you can thank the ordo chronos'

Yeah, I hate myself.

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>>50624709
My only dreadnought doesn't take up as many points as the squads I have, and I'm using as many of the things I own as I can. I'm still coming up short.

>>50624568
The damned force org chart only has 3 troop slots, but I'm doing what I can.

>>50624493
It's kind of large. Best part is, it's a team game. 5000 points a side.

The organizer may be an actual retard.

>>50624766
Remember, if people say that 30k Mk VIIs are heresy that just means you're doing traitor legions right.

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>>50624801
ugh I feel your pain bro, there the odd spaz here who just think more points = more fun, when in actual fact the smaller ZM games are nail biting slug fests. Have a pic of a double match on a sexy board I played a while ago as my condolences

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>>50624464
Close quarters, lots of units, and you're playing World Eaters? It sounds like it'll be a meat grinder. I love it.

Post a battle report when you return from it.

>>50624880
Oh, I will. Should be a wild ride.

>>50624858
He doesn't seem to understand the concept of games under 4000 points being fun.

Also:
>that pic
Fuckin' jelly. The board I'll be playing on is featureless pink insulation foam cut into a shoddy labrynth. It's a damned shame.

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>>50624977
oh you poor, poor anon...........get a fat mat and some walls and upgrade your life brah

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>>50624061
>>50624079
Thanks anon. I certainly did not expect that.

>>50624493
I can't stand HH art for abusing pure white.

>You make things completely flat you fucking fool.
>brightness is made by surrounding it in goddamn darkness, not just making it white

Are the Betrayal at Calth/Burning of Prospero actually decent games on their own?

I'm quite tempted to snag out after the disappointing Skitarii/CultMech "battleforce" but the issue is that my local area is pretty lacking in 40k players, much less 30k players, so functionality as a boardgame is a concern (at least until I move away from "literally the forest" in a year or so).

>>50624709
>>zone mortalis
>>jetbikes

>implying driving these at breakneck suicidal speeds down narrow corridors with sharp turns isn't badass

>heavy support squads
>zone mortalis

>implying they aren't just mobile Tarantula Sentries

Rest is valid.

>>50625247

I've heard no complaints about them and the people who played BaC said it was quite decent. They're probably not as good as Space Hulk but most likely better than the assassin vs. csm boxed game.

>>50625252
Nah, the mobile tarantula is the rapier battery. With the added benefit of being more durable than regular dudes.

But really, heavy weapon teams ain't too hot in zone mortalis. You want special weapon teams. It's basically what they're made for.

>>50625277
>but muh HF teams

>>50625290
Zone mortalis is the domain of dreadnoughts, apothecaries and terminators. Plasma, melta, sweep blobs in CC.

I find flamers underperform in feelnomarinepainhammer unless you have ways to supercharge them.

>>50624809
>loyalist

>>50625255
Huh, that's good to hear since nobody really talked about the game itself.

I might try and use it to drum up interest among some of my friends (once it's fully painted).

Ok so ive officially ordered my first HH army. armillus dynat, 40 alpha legion tac marines, and 10 tyrant siege terminators. Hows that sound?

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EC-guy, another scrap marine built! Cobbled together with a mish-mash of pieces, I'll be finishing him tomorrow. I still have to green-stuff the back of the left-knee, clean him a bit more, brush on some primer, and then paint. I'm also in the process of casting some aquila wings with greenstuff in the hopes of being able to create wing trimmings for my marines. At this point I'm just killing time til my BaC set arrives next week.

>>50625387

Oh, so you're playing Ultramarines?

>>50625456
Totally

>>50623465
" if its controlling player wishes" you can't gain only interceptor, but you can sure as hell elect to stand still and not use skyfire+interceptor.

>>50625455
>>using the DA wings as face eagle robotnik mustache
GENIUS!

>>50625551
It's actually made from a tiny aquila I got from an old Valkyrie, but I was indeed inspired by 40k era DA and RG helmets!

I've been thinking of getting DA sets just to hijack all of the wings they use.

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Raptor guy here.

I think it looks pretty good.

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>>50625806
>mk3 hat on mk4 body

>>50625837

You look scared, anon

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>>50625837
Combining to form mk V

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>>50625865
>mk V without an angry face
more like mk Very bad and ugly and shut up

>>50625865

THREE PLUS FOUR IS SEVEN YOU STUPID LOLI SHIT

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>>50625873

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>>50625873

Does this trigger you?

>>50625914
no, but I do question the point of wearing a cute little hoodie when it's going to immediately blow back on your first jump

Need couple of modelling feedback.

I want to make a TS moritat doing Pshh nothin' personal kid, to the Not-Bjorn model from BoP.

The question is how should I incorporate psychic power fuckery to the model?

I was contemplating either making the moritat ghostly with modelled smoke trails or use wires to model plasma/volkite bending in air.

Also, what mk do you guys like best for jump packs? I really dislike mk iv jump jets and mkiii was too heavy to jump with, so I'm struggling a bit.

>inb4 moritat sucks now

>>50625923
>muh parkour
>other marines can't catch me climbing to the second floor

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>>50625923

You'd wear a hood, too

>>50625970
>couldn't find a slave to flay before the battle
>had to claw his own face off to be accepted by his squad as "cool enough to jump"

>>50625970
So which claw does the missing finger go to?

>>50625970
>tries to scratch an itch on face
>rip face

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>>50626013

They both have 3 fingers. The Raptor/Warp Talon box comes with 2 sets with 3 fingers, one set with 5, one set with 2 claws on the gauntlet, and one with 3 claws on the gauntlet

>>50626122

Am I keeping this face now?

Also, here's a Terror Squad Executioner

>>50625455
Change the torso and we're game

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Finally got off my ass and started my Death Guard project. First thing to get done is some ZM bases. started washing and first coats of nurgles rot down

>>50624992
It was the EC marine, in the engine room, with the [thing best not described].

Why do you hate HH series so much?

Honest question, because I'm relatively new to the whole 40k world, started getting into it ~year ago, and started novels this fall, I'm at MEchanicum now.

Some of them are not the highest heights, but that's expected from "franchise" novels. But it's still pretty nice read for background and lore. Some of them even have good amounts of manly tears in them.

I hear about retcons all the time - are they that bad? What are some examples? (don't worry about spoiling anything, I can stomach it).

>>50624464
I better not see this at TTS.

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>>50625837

Malcador the Sigillite
Malcador the Hero, The Regent of Terra, Master of the Administratum, Grand Master of the Officio Assassinorum. Malcador may be taken as a HQ choice for a Talon's of the Emperor army list.

Some damn number of points, I'm thinking 250-ish.
WS 8 BS 8 S 3 T 3 W 3 I 5 A 2 LD 10 Sv 6+ 3++
Infantry (Character)
1 (Unique)

Wargear:
Archeotech Pistol
The Staff of the Sigillite S+2 AP4 Melee Concussive Force Master-Crafted Soulblaze
Digital Weapons
Psychotroke Grenades

Special Rules:
Adamantium Will
Eternal Warrior
Fearless
Independent Character
Preferred Enemy (Everything)
Oath of Moment
Psyker (Mastery Level 5)
Malcador the Sigillite rolls powers from Biomancy, Divination, Sanctic Daemonology, Pyromancy, Telekinesis and Telepathy, in addition, he is considered to be a Grey Knight for the purposes of casting Sanctic Daemonology.

>>50627018
>WS8 BS8
Don't really think Malcador was a more skilled fighter than Ferrus, Guilliman, Mortarion, Lorgar, Vulkan, Corax and Alpharius.

>>50627057
I went off him being Grand Master of the assassins, that's what they have.

>>50626492
If you have no connection to the old lore, then there's 90% less to bitch about.

>>50626492
Without specifics it comes down to this. The Horus Heresy series only exists because of the lore that was came before it, but BL is more then happy to change this lore however they see fit to make room for 50 more books.

>>50627068
Yeah, but he didn't get that position by rising through the assassin ranks due to all the kills he carried out.

Actually, forget it, the way BL are going it probably will turn out Malcador is a ninja in his spare time or something.

>>50627100
Well, that's true.

Aside from the statline then, what do (You) think?

>>50627182
The rest of it seemed pretty solid. Mostly normal human but shithot psyker. Maybe add that the staff acts as a Fearless-granting vexilla or something I guess, it was said to be more recognisable than him.

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Can someone help explain to me how volkite weapons work?

It is a red beam that will hit a biological target and then incinerate it instantly? This sounds a lot like a melta, but at range and effective on flesh rather than armour. Though I prefer the Space Marine video game's take on the melta, being a flashing shotgun blast.

What happens if the volkite beam hits power armour? How could it penetrate it?

What happens if the volkite beam hits a vehicle or a heavy tank?

What does a volkite beam look like from a bigger weapon of its kind? Like on dreadnoughts and the glaive. How would having a bigger beam do anything better? Isn't this also exactly just like any other typical las-weapon?

>>50627224
Volkite is based on old-timey martian death rays, which chain-reacts into explosive decomposition something, usually flesh into gas and liquid and all your other bits and pieces. Because this decomposition reaction is so powerful, it can somehow inflict the same hit again after causing a wound, presumably by the reaction continuing to effect your buddy after you explode all over him.

If it decomposes the armour, the reaction will continue to effect the flesh. If the reaction stops before that, the armour held fast.

Lighter volkites just ping off armour, same as bolt rounds. Carronades and demi-culverins probably just explode a hole through armour because their initial power is higher or some such

Bigger beam, moar power, greater initial energy in the first reaction to cause decomposition.

All of the above is baseless supposition from how martian rayguns work comparative from other media when talking about a weapon in a game of plastic and resin army men. Possibly being baited because frog picture, i dont know how you young'uns do your trolling these days

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>>50627224
I think they're heat rays rather than lasers. See the description of the Fighting Machines' heat-rays from War of the Worlds (because they're literally martian deathrays).

>"However it is done, it is certain that a beam of heat is the essence of the matter. Heat, and invisible, instead of visible light. Whatever is combustible flashes into flame at its touch, lead runs like water, it softens iron, cracks and melts glass, and when it falls upon water, incontinently that explodes into steam."

Except volkite beams are visible and go CHOOM rather than being silent. Bigger beams look like the energy attacks out of illustrated Mongolian animal husbandry manuals.

>>50627344
Are those Shermans in the background?

>>50624992
Oh it's the fruity 2nd legion club

>>50627344
>>50627224
An addendum. Volkite beams don't have to be able to penetrate power armour. Imagine you're a dude encased in metal, for example you're wearing full plate armour on a hot summer's day. Your armour's gonna heat up, and it'll be uncomfortable. Now for volkite, turn that up past 11. Turn it to CHOOM. Heat transferred through the armour can cause the flesh & organs beneath to combust explosively, flash-boiling any fluids (of which the human/transhuman body is 70%). Ouch.

>>50627382
I think so, yes.

>>50627442
>WWII tanks taking on space aliens
Is Mars Attacks! a 40k film?

>>50627459
Considering they're using a horrifically bad country song the same way your average Noise Marine uses guitar riffs (namely to explode heads), it definitely close.

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When do Grey Knights turn up in lore?

I think that a grey knight squad or two would be pretty cool in a talons of the emperor list

no babycarrier of course

>>50627630
they turn up post heresy. so no dice

>>50627630

The 40k-style Ordo Malleus Grey Knights only show up after the HH.

The closest equivalent you can get in 30k is a Knight-Errant agent. The rules for them are in Book 6.

>>50627664
Damn, I thought it'd be a cool counter to probably more daemon shit the traitors will get when we lead up to the siege

>>50627690
The Imperium lost their anti-demon shit at Nikaea. Thats what you get for listening to Mortarion instead of my boy.

>>50627382
No, they're M41 Walker Bulldogs.

>>50627708
>Listening to a LITERAL pawn of tzeentch

Magnus was a mistake, propsero pt2 when

>>50627797
You'd know there already was one if you read the Ahriman series.

>>50627797
>>Listening to a LITERAL pawn of tzeentch

He was right though, Nikaea was a mistake.

Of all the BL authors, which one do you want to write the Siege of Terra and the final fight?

>>50627920
ADB
-I'm sorry Dad :(.
-Fuck you XVI.

>>50627344
ACK ACK ACK ACK-ACK!
"Do not be alarmed. We come in peace."

>>50627920
Chris Wraight. Or even McNeil, he can blow hot & cold but generally doesn't get too ridiculous with his writing.

>>50623088
I complained about him once years ago, and then he turned up in the thread. IIRC was a about fenris children outsmarting a thousand son commander. But he seems bretty good.

>>50627920
I want every single person who's written for the HH to do something for the siege. Even the utterly talentless ones, they can do a 4 page short.

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Out of curiosity: how much rage would the Dark Vengeance Chaplain generate if used as part of a Horus Heresy Dark Angels force? He's in MKVII, but covered in robes and his hands are styled like gloves. The helmet is kind of crap but that aside it's a nice model with fairly typical Dark Angels attire. Some of the details can be eased down with a little bit of shaving and filing, though the backpack is sculpted to his cape.

>>50628044
too much bling

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>>50628069
Isn't that DA in a nutshell though?

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>>50628044
>not wanting objectively best chaplain model
It's like you don't want to pay 20 points for a fist when he already has a power weapon, or something.

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>>50628142
I like the older sculpt more

Why aren't non-Troops squads over 10 models in size?

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>>50628198
I like the terminator one.

>>50628226
Because they have to represent non-troops being more rare somehow.
And it's not like anybody actually would want to field a unit of 20 terminators, that's just too cumbersome to be effective

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>>50628096

>>50627920
William King.

>>50627834
No, Jaghatai and Hawkboy were right.
Magnus took it too far.

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>>50628264
>I can only look loyal for so long

>>50628258
Just feels weird that some squads are 20 man max and others 10.

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>>50627708
>The Imperium lost their anti-demon shit at Nikaea
What are you, armless?

>>50628198
Were power fists always that big?

>>50628389
The way he's holding it doesn't help, that fist is about the same size as a normal plastic powerfist in the space marine box. But palm forward does make it look a lot bigger.

>>50628282
Magnus could have been showing everyone how to give Tzeentch fellatio and banning psykers would have been a terrible choice.

If Magnus had fucked up so hard remove him like the other two. Known as the trial of Magnus the Red and he is found guilty, yet you just let him go home with no oversight or guardian to check in on him. ATS has Ahriman training his pleb psyker friend on the ride home, thats how easily they ignored the edict.

>>50628198
One of my favorite Models, I would not be mad to see him in a 30keks army

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>>50628448
Are you saying all legions recieved Wardens except the wizard legion? Even if they had Chaplains, it'd be like asking Magnus to regulate himself, it's weird how you must treat him like a child.

The TS should have been escorted by Custodes to psychic rehab.

>>50627834
No it wasn't. Psykers must be purged and only those who are necessary may be brought to heel to serve.

Legions don't need battle psykers.

>Mortarion was right
>Magnus and Typhus are degenerate
>Even when he signed his soul to nurgle, he traded personal power for codex power for his sons.
>So even when Draigo signs his name of his heart
>Morty gets the last laugh as his sons never get anything worse then ok rules
>when a plague comes through in some editions, they get mad rules
>Morty is always right.

>>50628448
>Magnus could have been showing everyone how to give Tzeentch fellatio and banning psykers would have been a terrible choice.
>This is what foul witches actually believe

Anyway, what you're basically saying here is the Emperor was wrong because he trusted Magnus, which kinda counteracts what you said about Magnus being right.
Oh, and the Emperor didn't ban psykers, just Marine psykers.

>>50628198
Probably one of the best models GWs ever made

>>50628514
Is Magnus standing in a ditch in that picture, or does he not have legs?

>>50628416
>>50628492
>>50628528
What I like about it is that he looks like he's about to hug someone.

>>50628514
Every time I see a picture of Magnus with his legion, he looks like he's an overgrown midget. He's that large, yet not much taller than his marines. His legs must be tiny.

>>50628517

Psykers are required, but the most useful psykers in the setting are known best for their divination. The Ultramarines had psykers who accurately predicted the Calth massacre but they were ignored because of the edict.

There should be psykers but with a limit on how much power they're actually allowed to wield at any point in time, or they should be gutted of their powers.

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>>50628536
It's supposed to be a projection of him. Basically the Sons are trying to create a stand in the form of their daddy.

>>50628559
>trex arms

>>50628545
I've actually mounted a jetpack on my copy of that model... Power Hug!

>>50628559
What is a stand that I keep seeing people talk about?

Is it something Jojo related? It seems there's a lot of 30k fans who like jojo as well

Also, I always like how two of the TS in that picture have cream shoulderpads like Blood Ravens

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>>50628536
>>50628547
He's squatting, that witch power he learned from a slav manual.

>>50628514
>Are you saying all legions recieved Wardens except the wizard legion?
Yep lol. Lorgar gets punished and gets a couple of Custodes, Magnus got a sern warning and motivation to prove 'Dad' wrong.

PS Thats terrible art.

>>50628517
Go home Mort youre drunk.

>>50628523
>because he trusted Magnus
Then he was an idiot 2 times over.

>which kinda counteracts what you said about Magnus being right.
Magnus can still be wrong about the warp, but in this case, even for the wrong reasons, he was right. Banning psykers from the legions was a huge waste of potential that most legion realised as soon as the HH started.

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>>50628585
>I always like how two of the TS in that picture have cream shoulderpads like Blood Ravens
!!
But I thought the raven was the corvidae cult's symbol, not that eye. I like it however.
>>50628559
>>50628577
>>trex arms
T-rex aaaaaarms!
>>50628585
A stand is like an astral projection that can fight in your stead.

>>50628598

Lorgar was a moron and Big E had no expectations of him from the get go. Magnus was going to be part of Big E's grand plan to free humanity from the warp realm and create Human Webway Heaven at some point and Big E knew that Magnus knew his shit, so Big E trusted Magnus to be responsible and just sit on it instead of going full sperglord.

>>50628577
I never said it was a finished thing.
>>50628580
Pics?
>>50628585
>Is it something Jojo related? It seems there's a lot of 30k fans who like jojo as well
Yes. Perhaps I should try to put it in more 30/40k terms. The Thousand Sons in that picture are trying to create a Warp projection of their papa out of their love and devotion to him. Despite them being more devoted and loving their papa more than the other two legions who are really devoted to their dad(Luna Wolves/SoHs and the Blood Angels) they still do not know how to form his arms quickly.

Banning all psykers was a stupid retconn. Sorcery being banned after Nikea made things way less complicated : Magnus still gets punished, but we don't have this stupid issue of all Space Marines ignoring the Nikea edict for over 10.000 years when every other word of the Emperor is treated as holy, unbreakable law.

>>50628264
topkek
but use roflbot to make texst readable next time

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>>50628550
>There should be psykers but with a limit on how much power they're actually allowed to wield at any point in time, or they should be gutted of their powers.
Yes, a regulated librarium would be a good thing, too bad Magnus was pushing for Unlimited Psyker Works and ruined the shit for everyone else.
>>50628598
>Go home Mort youre drunk.
Wait no don't make him drive after drinking!

>>50628635
>Big E knew Magnus was (((important))) despite the finished Webway gates probably being self sustaining and having no need for Golden Thrones.
>Big E trusted Magnus to be responsible
I think that's even more of a reason to make the Custodes follow him.

>>50628653

Magnus was for the rampant pursuit of knowledge because he knew that humanity barely knew anything about the warp and there was more to it than the Imperial Truth. The real issue was he kept assuming that Big E didn't know what he was talking about, when literally anyone who wasn't a primarch would have trusted Big E's wisdom and judgment concerning assumptions about the warp and would have had faith in Big E to reveal the whole truth when the time was right.

>>50628678

That would have just made the Thousand Sons paranoid.

>>50628688
Yes. If everyone did what Emps said nothing bad would have happened. But I guess obedience to your ancients is too much to ask.

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>>50628586
I figured he was Tbagging some ded space furry

>>50628635
>Big E trusted Magnus to be responsible and just sit on it instead of going full sperglord.
And that was idiotic beyond belief. Magnus stayed in contact with the Emperor after being scattered. When the properly meet it was said they embraced as old friends. When On Terra they sailed the warp together and the Emps told him things about the warp. When he broke this trust punish him for it. Sit him on the chair of unending agony. Dont let him go home by himself because he is GOING to use his powers. And once he does once there now no stopping him as now the ban is meaning less and hes going to try and prove you wrong.

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>>50628701
>That would have just made the Thousand Sons paranoid.
Ooooooh the humanity! Get into the trench with us, witchlord.

>>50627920
This is the only correct answer: >>50628269

Eat it, Laurie.

>>50628717

Magnus is a primarch. He is expected to obey and have faith in the Emperor. When he betrayed that faith, the Emperor did not seek his destruction outright like the -=REDACTED=- and instead told Russ to bring Magnus back to give him the cleaning mop and make him clean up his own mess. The situation wasn't beyond repair, but Horus fucked it all up.

>>50628688
>>50628706
I'm pretty sure that was justified when the Emperor gave Magnus a broken, mutating legion that was on the verge of collapse and let him figure it out.

"Hm dad is too retarded to save them, but I found a solution. So what else was dad retarded about?"

In the end Magnus was an idiot with no self-control, but he was shaped by the Emperor.

>>50628780

The legion stabilized when Magnus returned to restore his geneseed and his leadership, like all the other legions. There were other legions who were left in a far worse state of affairs when they were finally picked up by their primarchs.

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>>50628645

>>50628796
>There were other legions who were left in a far worse state of affairs when they were finally picked up by their primarchs.
EC are the only ones that come to mind.

>>50628769
The thing is were not even at that point yet. That cock up was the obvious next step after Nikaea.

Magnus could not be trusted by the Emperor, Nikaea made that clear. If he could not be trusted why leave him alone unsupervised? Why let him leave at all? If you have to keep him for the webway project keep him with you where you can watch him 24/7. Better you waste a legion doing nothing then letting them do nothing by themselves.

>>50628796
>The legion stabilized when Magnus returned to restore his geneseed and his leadership
This really isnt true. Only in the old sources is this the case.

>>50628820
What do new sources say. Not that anonBTW

>>50628796
What? No they did not stabilize at all, the mutations were rampant and it took Magnus making a blind pact with Tzeentch to finally stop it.

>>50628828
Magnus made a deal with Tzeentch to save his legion. He just didnt know it was Tzeentch.

The Emperor rocked up and dropped his legion off then bailed and left him to sort it out. Magnus only knowing how to use magic used magic to fix it. There has no explaination for why the Emperor let to get to this point. When they got to Prospero 1000 TS were left, with many locking in statis pods.

>>50628828
Magnus + TS reunited.
Magnus spends all of his energy trying to stop the mutations.
On the cusp of despair, finally discovers a warp denizen who is able to stop the mutations.
Agrees to a pact with the entity, sacrifices an eye as payment.

Just kidding of course it all under control the moment they were reunited, Magnus just popped out an eye for shit and giggles.

>>50627920
Siege of Terra will be massive, look at how much stuff we got from Isstvan V or Calth. Terra will be much bigger.

>>50628861
>>50628856
New fluff never really seems like an improvement. But ok.

So magnus never achieved anything without tzeentch's help. kek

>>50628940
Honestly FW may just retcon it back to old lore. GW just ignored the shit out of BL with the new Traitor Legion release. The Burning of Prospero release also says nothing of the deal.

>>50628940
Magnus did nothing _____.

>>50628940
He just got unwittingly dragged into Tzeentch's plans before even Erebus had fallen. Which just makes the Emperor all the dumber.

>>50628982
Likely it was Tzeentch's doing that the Thousand Sons mutated so heavily in the first place.

That guy does no half work when he decides to fuck somebody over

>>50628996
Pretty much. As the legion with the highest affinity for psykers, it must have been terribly easy for him to fuck it up in preparation of them reuniting with Magnus.

>>50628550
>The Ultramarines had psykers who accurately predicted the Calth massacre but they were ignored because of the edict.
That's just retarded.

>>50629013
And Emps still didn't think there was anything to worry about, even though he of all people should know what Tzeentch is like.
>hmm, lot of crazy mutations in that legion, dudes turning into creatures remarkably similar to chaos spawn
>I'll let Ecksvee sort that out on his own

>hang on, didn't Ecksvee have more eyes than that?
>whatevs, it's probably nothing

Waiting for the day we stop talking about Magnus for 2 minutes

>>50628641
>Pics?
I'll have to go look where he's at first.
I've had that model for quite some time (as in, probably more than a decade), it's the metal version. Don't have pictures of him on hand I think, but I'll see what I can dig up.

>>50629083
This, let's talk about the Khan or something.

How can the Khan be so based anons?

>>50629186
He goes fast and he doesn't afraid of anything

>>50628712
The paint on that Space Wolf's boltgun is way too thick.

>>50629186
What has khan even really done? Seize the space port and.......... Literally who the legion.

PRIMARCHS OFFICIAL 2016 POWER RANKING

>Elder God Tier
Sanguinius

>God Tier
Vulkan
Alpharius/Omegon

>Great Tier
Perturabo
Magnus the Red

>Good Tier
Fulgrim
Mortarion
Corvus Corax

>Mediocre/Boring Tier
Jaghatai Khan
Rogal Dorn
Horus Lupercal

>Bad/Autistic Tier
Lion El'Jonson
Roboute Guilliman
Lorgar

>Shit Tier
Konrad Kurze
Ferrus Manus
Angron

>Furry Tier
Leman Russ

>>50629356
Biased list is biased

>>50629356
That's like the worst list I've ever seen.

>>50629356
Based on what exactly ?

>>50629356
>POWER RANKING
Depending on what you mean by thats a shit tier list.

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>>50629356
This is bait

>>50629356
Lion, Jaghatai one up, Kurze 3 up, Morty and Corax 2 down, Leman Russ in Great Tier and you're set.

>>50629369
>>50629420
>>50629421
>>50629428
>>50629437
How should it look like then?

>>50629356
Could we not do this?

>>50629481
Youhavent defined waht you mean by power? Are you talking 1v1? Before or after the heresy?

>>50629481
Keep Omegon in God Tier, move Alpharius in Rekt Tier

>>50629356
OBJECTIVE 1v1 POWER RANKINGS BEFORE DEMON BULLSHIT

>Can fly/cheat tier
Sanguinius
Magnus

>Will win if the opponent doesnt cheat tier
Horus
Angron
Ferrus Manus

>Both called the best duelist tier
Fulgrim
Khan

>People think they're good but they're really not tier
Russ
Lion
Vulkan

>You cant see him so he gets one chance to win tier
Corax

>Depends which authors writing tier
Curze
Alpharius

>Should have built a wall to hide behind tier
Dorn
Perturabo

>Utter disappointment tier
Mortarion
Guilliman
Lorgar

>>50629369
>>50629420
>>50629421
>>50629428
>>50629437
>>50629481
>>50629494
>>50629524
>>50629570
It's overall rankings. Not really about "physical" or psychich power at all.

Just how much do you like them.

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>>50629356
>>50629570

>>50629570
100% approved

>Bench-presses Titans
Angron

>1v1 Titans and wins
Magnus

>Everybody else
:^)

>>50629602
I was asking did we have to do a ranking?

>>50629570
>Ferrus above Fulgrim
It's like you don't know what you're on about.

>>50629660
>BEFORE DEMON BULLSHIT
Dont know how you missed it tbqh.

>>50629673
Fact: Fulgrim was the better duelist, better strategist and forged a better weapon.

>>50629673
He beat Ferrus before he surrendered to the daemon in the sword. It was a fairly straight up fight.

>>50626900
index astartes isn't canon
t. laurie golding

>>50629701
>>50629720
Perhaps I have been mislead? I believed that the fight was going in Ferrus favour before Fulgrim went demon.

>>50629762
Nope. Fulgrim went daemon after he killed Ferrus because he realized what he'd done and gave up.

>>50629729
Laurie and his boys at BL just got BTFO by GW so there really is no need to take him seriously.

>>50629853
Whats the source on that? Most of my lore on the Primarchs that I dont care as much about comes from Visions of Heresy and I'm pretty sure that states the demon slew Ferrus.

>>50629848
>>50629881
Oops.

>>50628971
>GW just ignored the shit out of BL with the new Traitor Legion release

Except they didn't. They mentioned Omegon which is a BL creation.

>>50628971
>The Burning of Prospero release also says nothing of the deal.

MoW mentions the deal. Get Rekt, Magnusfag.

>>50629950
>They mentioned Omegon which is a BL creation
Mentioning Omegon so they can sell another $200 model doesnt mean they arent ignoring all the other lore in the new release.

Honestly I dont get your logic?
>GW ignore these 9 things
>But they followed this one
>This means they arent ignoring BL
?

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>>50629881
It's in Fulgrim. He wasn't an actual demon at Istvaan V, but the demon inside the sword was gaining control over him. During most of the fight it had control, but the demon edged him out when it saw the opportunity to kill Ferrus. After the battle while coming to terms with what had he had just done, Fulgrim slipped up and the demon took full control.

The actual worst part of any hobby set in a narrative universe are the arguments about continuity and canon.
As soon as people grow up enough to realise it doesn't matter, the generation behind them stops being kids and grows into caring about it.
It never ends.
Don't mind me, just having a jaded sigh

>t.old-as-fuck-fag

>>50630019
Nope, it's the reverse. GW mostly acknowledged BL stuff. You are one jumping on the singular exception.

>>50629570
Take that back!
Lorgar is the strongest primarch and a gentle soul.

>>50630178
>OH NO
>He proved me wrong.
>I'll just say it doesnt count

Whatever floats your boat mang.

What are you working on tonight bros?

I'm putting my first Quad Mortars together, coming along nicely

>>50630160
Have you considered that instead of "Realising it didn't matter" you actually knew it didn't matter all along and instead "Stopped caring"?

>>50630088
Hmmm... I kinda prefer it the other way. Feels a little to rough for him to get bitched out so easily considering its the only thing he does. Oh well.

Where would you place him then?

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>>50630223
You proved nothing wrong. You said that 9 times GW ignored BL and acted like its the norm when in reality it's the opposite. GW's releases mostly acknowledged what's in the novels.

For example WoM which was full of BL references and even went with BL's Ahriman and magnus backstories.

GW mentioned the deal, the sharding, and much more. This confirms that Magnus was the first Chaos Primarch, not Lorgar.

>>50623088
The question is will it stick like that forever, or will it be ADB 2: Electric Boogaloo?

I remember taking a break from /tg/ and 40k for a while and was surprised to find out that /tg/ went from liking ADB to hating him.

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>>50628641
Took a while to find the model, but I've taken a few pictures, see image related.
The jump pack is from another chaplain model I believe, ordered it from a bits site I think, all metal.

My apologies for the somewhat thick paintjob, but I painted this a long time ago.

>>50626471
Theres a secret passage from the strategium to the garbage disposal.

>>50630277
Hey anon, don't lump all anons in with those anons who can't into perspective.

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>>50630160
That's any setting, any time, any where. People have, and always will fight over what they think is 'the right version' in any setting.

>Video games
>Sports teams
>The Bible
>Animu
>Miniature games
>Books

The moment you leave something up for individual interpretation, you can expect people to take sides. And because 30/40k has a 'setting', guess what? And even if it was just the game, people would still bitch about what pieces and units were the best

>>50630277
ADB hate comes from the meme crowd. They are a group of mouthbreathers so don't mind them.

>>50630284
Just give him a bath, he should clean up nicely. He can always be painted again to higher standards.

>>50630284
>Soul Drinkers
Didn't expect that, Anon. Thanks for finding the model.

>>50630364
had a small 1500 point army of them back in the day. I rather like the novels as you might imagine.

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>>50630413
>had a small 1500 point army of them back in the day.
What happened to them? Pic is unrelated but is something I did make recently.

>>50630269
>GW's releases mostly acknowledged
>Mostly
The only thing GW printing BL material does is make it canon.

Please explain this.

Honestly I dont get your logic?
>GW ignore these 9 things
>But they followed this one
>This means they arent ignoring BL
?

>>50630437
Nothing really, the models are sitting in storage.
Dusty but mostly intact I imagine.
But I played a lot more then.

>>50630437
I thought shitposters were Australian. If you shitpost enough you gain honorary citizenship and a complimentary emu.

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>>50630466
Any other armies back then.
>>50630484
>>50630484
>I thought shitposters were Australian. If you shitpost enough you gain honorary citizenship and a complimentary emu.
/pol/ meme, and I based on what I've seen there /pol/ is right. Again.

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>a complimentary emu.
I couldn't address that until now. Pic related.

>>50630513
not really, I did start a 3.5 Edition All Sonic Emperor's Children Army, but never finished it.
And a small daemon army (again never finished)

I have a hard time keeping my interest up building armies, that Soul Drinker army is the one where I managed to pull it off.

>>50630513
That's only a reaction to /pol/ shitting on leafs whenever they appear thanks to "DUDE" Justin "If you defeat your enemies, they win" Trebeau.
Australians however, will always shitpost, forever.

So is a leviathan worth it and should i make it all close combat and deliver it via dreadclaw drop?

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>>50630537
>not really, I did start a 3.5 Edition All Sonic Emperor's Children Army, but never finished it.
>And a small daemon army (again never finished)
>all sonic
How loud did you want to be at the time?
>>50630564
Aussies do it because it's integrated in their dna and souls plus bad internet connections.

>>50630445
>The only thing GW printing BL material does is make it canon.

Nice opinion. Got statements to back it up?

>Please explain this.

Already did. By default GW follows BL lore. Only some exceptions when they deviate.

>>50630445
Acknowledging a thing means the opposite of ignoring it no matter how small an acknowledgement, fyi

>>50630592
>How loud did you want to be at the time?
Pretty loud I imagine, I was a bit of a metal fan (still am).

Forgeworld Sonic Box-dread (twin-Blasters, FW managed to misplace my Blast Master arm).

Heavy Bolters on Land Raider replaced with Sonic Blasters (yup, hardware downgrade at the time)

Lucius the Eternal as HQ

1 5-man squad of Sonic Blaster equipped Terminators, converted from metal Grey Knights, replacing the wrist-mounted bolter with a sonic blaster.
2 10-man squads with Sonic Blasters and a Blast Master

3 squads of 6 metal sexy daemonettes
1 squad of 3 metal sexy Slaaneshi cavalry

The army was a cool concept, but apart from a few test conversions and ordering the bits it never got going.

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>>50630710
>Heavy Bolters on Land Raider replaced with Sonic Blasters (yup, hardware downgrade at the time)
Those were?
>Lucius the Eternal as HQ
Was he any good at any point in time?

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>GW vs BL fluff discussion

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>anvillus pattern dreadclaw is marked as no longer available, not "temporarily out of stock"

They're just k-kidding r-right?

>>50630753
>>Heavy Bolters on Land Raider replaced with Sonic Blasters (yup, hardware downgrade at the time)
>Those were?
Heavy Bolters had their usual profile. Sonic Blasters were both Assault 2 and Heavy 3, but still S4 AP5 like a normal bolter, 24" range too.
I swapped them purely from a fluff perspective, even if it made them less potent.

>>Lucius the Eternal as HQ
>Was he any good at any point in time?
He wasn't fantastic, fun to throw in combat with the rules he had at the time, but he needed backup to work, he was pretty fragile.

>>50630795
That is interesting and worrying...
Maybe they've made a new version of the model, which isn't ready for release yet?
That or GW has actually made a plastic one...

>>50630795
Changing or at least replacing the mould, I heard.

>>50630795
>>50630831
>>50630832
Yeah, chances are it's one of these two. Either they're replacing/updating the mould, or GW decided to claim it (like the Valkyrie) and make it themselves. Completely discontinuing the iconic drop-pod of the Horus Heresy seems a bit silly.

>>50630832
>>50631011
From FW's customer support, they are repacking it in the new boxes.

>>50631011
... Plastic Dreadclaw could mean Chaos Space marines get a drop-pod equalivant

>>50630088
Am I the only one that wants marines with those diamond knees and MkIV helmets with the slit going down the center?

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>>50630088
>that wrench

>>50623465
>>50625530

You both are right, however the true problem about using this rule has not been mentioned.

You get to decide whether or not you gain the skyfire/interceptor, HOWEVER, you have to chose that immediately, not later during the shooting phase depending on your targets.

During the movement phase, if you do not move, you must immediately chose whether you will be getting the skyfire/interceptor or not. No take backsies.

>>50631078
There are a lot of armor designs from the BL artwork I'd love to see, there's so much variety and individuality. It's part of the reason I'm being a bit liberal with my armor choices on my scrap Emperor's Children (and because I have very limited options for parts)

>>50630088
>MkV and MkVI not on RG at Isstvaan
>Contemptor with a castraferrum parrten lascannon
>Ferrus sqinging a wrench around

Fuck, BL cover art never makes sense even if it is sexy as fuck

That said, that power maul on the IH sergeant is cool as fuck and topknot MkVI is cooler than I thought it would be

>>50631137
It doesn't even feature in the fight IIRC.

>>50631233
I'd think that other Legions would have a handful of MkVI suits (perhaps a couple hundred at most, compared to the tens of thousands of other Marks) after the success the RG had with it, but nowhere near the numbers of the RG. As for the MkV, I consider that the blanket category for studs and non-categorized armor designs from the Late-Crusade/Heresy.

>>50630088
The good:
>Studs everywhere
>that power maul
>beakies
>Byzantine art on the dreadnought's shield thing

The bad:
>Fulgrim has no foot
>copypasta marines
>EC sergeant with a regular, non-powered sword
>inconsistent lighting
>that IH's face. Seriously, what kind of rebreather is that? Why are his eyes so far apart? What is the purpose for that retarded cable that goes from his head to his backpack?

Is there anyone else here that paints their army pristine and plain but mark them up and add extra things to them as they go through games? Few marks for a loss, extra decal or detail for a win? I'm considering doing this with my Word Bearers and I think it's a good way of going about things, especially if it's a new army.

>>50631596
Totally makes sense.

>>50631596
I hadn't thought of that, I might try it on my Mechanicum. Would give me a nice excuse to keep them reasonably simple and get more complex as my painting skills improve, too.
Seeing as most of the Reductor vehicles and Cybernetica have broad flat surfaces, it should be fairly simple as well.

>>50631554
I love Neil Roberts' Byzantine art on his marines.

>>50631554
I think that sword is cool as fuck

It looks like a real sword, not the extra THICC swords we get on our models

>>50631596
I like to add another tally mark to my 40k suicide-melta termies everytime they pop a big tank or something

I think Blood Angels should get special rule that ignores Rad-phage. After all they live on radioactive desert.

>>50632025
Salamanders are markedly resilient to all kinds of radiation, but they're only flame resistant in game.

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>>50631974
Some swords IRL were pretty thick, like the gladius that is ubiquitous thanks to muh space Romans, and in 30,000 AD it would make sense for swords to be pretty thick in order to hack through power armour.
Though of course the EC would have a preference for using "aesthetic" swords built for fast slashing and stabbing angles, like the "charnabral sabre".

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>>50631061
>yfw new CSM codex doesn't give you shit
while new SM codex contains contemptors, cataphractii and dreadclaws

>>50632453
I'd say just use either the IA rules or the 30k rules for Contemptors and Cataphractii. We traitors deserve love too.