Warhammer 40,000 general

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First for Exorcists

>>50605833
t. Lorgar

3rd for doubling Ork wounds and hull points fixes the army

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I want to make a 1000pts Alpha legion list, any tips?

>lose every campaign you ever wage
>disliked even by the very Gods you worship for being incompetent edgelords
>turn to chaos purely out of daddy issues
>not the worst legion

Obsessive converter with free time issues here: Dubs decides what I try to tackle out of my to paint pile over the Holliday break.

I have at least one unpainted model from every Xeno faction, plus about half the imperial factions and every chaos except Nurgle.

>>50605886
Cultists and the aetifact that makes them zealots.

Throw in the termie annialation force and go nuts.


As for the "worst" bearers....a csm army with more warp charge then daemons is nothing to sneeze at.....

>>50605724
>>50605750
I'm not talking about rules, just releases.

GW even favored Khorne and Nurgle during End Times.

>Book 2, Nurgle
>Glottkin model
>Blightking unit

>Book 5, Khorne
>Plastic Bloodthirster
>Skullreaper/Wrathmonger unit

Tzeentch and Slaanesh got shit.

>>50605921
If you think ANY of the legion options are bad then you suck at 40k......

>>50605921
Tzeentch got the TSons line, though.

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>>50605813
>2. The short answer is no. The long answer is that it's okay but not in the Troops slot, 30 termagant unit is way too big a tax for that shit. It was actually alright before the nerf to MC cover in the new FAQ but now basically all ground nids aren't worth shit.
Ok so are there any troops choices worth taking that aren't mucolid spores? I'd love to just putz around and experiment with everything, but this game is expensive and I'd rather have something decent to play with sooner considering how bad everyone tells me nids are.

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>Trying to mess with a NL army in BS
>Adding a force takes 2 minutes and/or crashes
>finally add detachment
>no Raptor Talon
>mfw

Holy fuck why is BS so goddamn shitty?

>>50605886
I think the easiest place to start is by implanting activated triggers in the psyche of the recruiting populace of a space marine chapter. Give it a few hundreds years and you'll have a whole army of sleeper agents you can easily fill 1000pts with.

>>50605886
>infiltrate cultists to distract people and tarpit on turn 2
>infiltrate Chosen with special weapons as anti-tank or turn 2 charge
>independent characters everywhere

Maybe some heavy armor too.

>>50605886
Chosen, infiltrate heavy weapons next to your opponents dudes.

>>50605952
You can make an argument for Ripper Swarms because deep-strike obsec. Everything else is shit desu

>>50605936
Again, not talking about rules.
>>50605940
And that's wonderful, this discussion started with >>50605625 being wrong.

>>50605915

Use blacklight pigment to paint up a Hua Yuan Exterminator (do you have any Cadian hostile environment models?), or get me a Star Kraken with a boarding shield.

>>50605920
>>50605959
>>50605964
thanks Alfarius

>>50606000
alpharius* my dang

Is the traitor legions scan out yet? I hate having to wait.

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>>50606000

alfalfaius

Was building a Cult mech. list when i thought of the following:

Kastelan robots with the double shooting protocol finish firing then use mask of the aplha dominus to swich to double attacks protocol.

can the robots charge in this scenario or does the previous protocol still make them unable to charge?

>>50605902

Talos is having none of his shit, either.

>>50605833
>Spend all day painting 10 guys yesterday
>Decide today that the paint scheme is shit
>Defeated as I just gave myself tons of extra work

This is suffering for how lazy I am.

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>Mfw initiative 10 EC daemon prince with Blissgiver

>>50606054
Yeah, it specifically says 'at any time'

Beep boop the fuck out of those assholes, but keep in mind shooty Kastellans aren't great for close combat. Not bad, but S6 vs S10 is very much noticeable.

>>50606099
>assaulting through cover and having iniative 1

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pls rate my alphaness

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>>50606099
>mfw nurgle biker lord w/ accursed crozius

>>50605864
literraly who

>>50606111
Say, while we're here what's the consensus on the Stasis Field? That 2++ is nasty anywhere, but can a Datasmith have one and go to ground, and have the boops still fire at regular BS?

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>>50605921
>Nurgle gets more releases
>Warhammer fantasy
>Tzeentch got shit

yeah, no. Slaanesh got literally nothing in 40k since codex: daemons. So in the past 8 years.

Tzeentch has gotten far more than anyone else

>In battle, the jetbike riders of the Eldar operate as forward scouts
>Aren't scouts
Why did GW do this?

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>>50605971
Am I basically just taking minimum units to satisfy troops slot requirements? That's kind of a bummer. So I guess, 2 mucolid spores and call it a day?

Also, are there any formations worth taking other than the one that just spams flyrants?

I'm sorry for all the questions but anything I look up is dated or not current with whatever faqs or whatever.

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>>50606160
We're entering a glorious new age of fluffy armies. Just wait, pointy-ear, your time will cum.

>>50606160

Give them scouts, increase by 3 points per model and double the points cost of those stupid scatter lasers.

>>50606168
Formations are generally shitty. Skyblight and Sporefield were cool, but the FAQ that says you can't deepstrike in the reserves killed that fast. Living Artillery Node is pretty neat, but tends to get erased because ground nids are way too easy to erase for their price.

And yeah, minimum troops is the way things are. They're all mediocre shit.

>>50606203
Yes please, if only so that it wasn't so infuriating to try to build lists using 17/27 point models.

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How to make Berzerkers good?

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>>50606168
>>50606209

Tyranids are depressingly bad right now. Even Orks are probably better.

>>50606231
At least you're not Blood Angels

Best weapon for anti-infantry on an infernal relic predator? I'm tied between the basic flamestorm cannon and the plasma destroyer.

>decide with friend of mine to combine our Adeptus Mechanicus forces for our local 1500 point tourney
>test War Convocation with Knight Crusader
>go undefeated with a huge lead on almost all match results
>agree to never do that to our store ever again

Is this thing only that broken against non- to semi-competitive lists or was it just the low point range making the free wargear so absurdly broken?

>>50606249
if flamestorm has torrent, that. if not, plasma

>>50606128
What program are you using to make that list?

>>50606140
Pretty sure that a unit containing a monstrous creature can't go to ground, since the creatures themselves can't, forcing everyone to keep standing.

>>50606230
Unfortunately you legit cannot now that World Eaters rules give everyone their rules package. The only benefit they have is +1WS and the ability to buy Chainaxes, but those come at like 4 points more than a basic CSM with the same kit.

You take them for fluff and formation-tax reasons only.

Are the 'path of the' books for Eldar and DEldar any good? Just finished Titanicus and need something new for my 40k reading. Figured I should actually read the novels about my two armies. Though I dislike reading trash, and BL is super hit or miss with quality.

>>50606265
Can't find the fucking rules for half its weapons anywhere, honestly. Don't even know what the fuck the Magna-Melta cannon does. Where the fuck do I find these?

>>50606282
What about Maelstrom of Gore? +3 charge range and Move Through Cover sounds nice.

>>50606246

Blood Angels are nowhere near being a bad army

>>50606300
Finding anything in GW books is next to fucking impossible. Wanted to look up what the wording on Ordnance weapons was exactly earlier today and we couldn't find that shit anywhere.

>>50606282
>>50606307

Just run the berzerker models as standard WE Chaos Space Marines and say they are berzerkers using the fixed rules.

>>50606246
If you want to bully someone using a bad Space Marine army at least compare them to Black Templars. They are way worse off than the Blood Angels.

>>50606307
Like I said, formation tax. But that + WE rules giving you Blood Mad move would be pretty great. Just saying taking CSM would give you all their rules for cheaper, so it's more of an efficiency thing.

WE don't have it as bad as DG do, as regular CSM do the Plague Marine's thing for 8 points cheaper per model, which is insanity.

>>50606231
Gow to fix them : 2ed customisation.
Eternal warrior all around like the good ol time
70 pts base carnifex

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>>50606316
>>50606337
Order is from worst to best
>inb4 results collected from 4.5k players don't count because they use a different D table

>>50606344

Plague Marines have plague knives, blight grenades and two special weapons at any squad size.

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Are the Skitarii a good beginner army? They interest me by the looks, but I hardly know their tactics other than they seem to be a ranged oriented army. Any care to explain on how they function?

>>50606139
Grey Knights successors.

Probably dislike the Bird Wearers very much.

>>50606365

>Orks
>mid tier

what is this madness

>>50606344
Maybe, but they'll do much less damage than Berzerkers with that WS4. And without the +3 to charge I'm not sure they'll even get therre in the first place.

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Well that was disappointing

>>50606365
>implying this invalidates the Black Templar statement
Just because some Chapter Tactics are among the strongest special rules in the game doesn't mean everything out of that codex is good.

>>50606286
I'm halfway through path of the renegade and I'm really into it.

>>50606385
I'm pretty sure it's from lists revolving around bikers/deffkoptas/morkanauts (or gorkanauts, sometimes it's hard to tell kunningly brutal from brutally kunning)

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>>50606231
Why must GW fuck me before I even start playing? I just want to play cute bugs

>>50606209
Any decent models I should I look into then? I was recommended zoanthropes, mawlocs, and lictors so far.

>>50605954
'Cos you're probably using the free version, the paid version is apparently better. Not entirely perfect, but better.

>>50605954
I can't even find the rules for alpha legion in it.

>>50606365
Man the FAQ on transports fucked Skitarii up bad

>>50606366
You don't want to assault with them, so knives and grenades are fairly moot. I'd give them up for the points difference honestly, and 2 special weapons isn't that big of a deal when you can take Chosen (double the attacks with no I penalty too) or Havocs for a better, cheaper loadout.

>>50606400
True, I just gave you a (You) because you gave me one.

>>50606365
Damn Daemons are strong.
Well it makes sense, they are the superior lifeforms.

>>50606373
we already told you to try your Fw army before going to skitarii so you wont buy what you dont need.

if you are really not that guy, just buy a Start Collecting box and do a couple of game with them

>>50606434
In a DG detachment at least, you'll still suffer from -1 I.

>>50606421

Nope. I'm using the paid version, and I'm regretting it more and more.

>>50606429

Legion rules aren't up yet except for WoM. I was just using it as a platform to fiddle with lists.

>>50606373
You have a few options.

1. Pure Skitarii with lots of infantry using a few walkers as fire support and to tank things

2. Pure skitarii with a lot of Sidonians to be incredibly mobile but fragile

3. Pure Skitarii with a mix of the above to be less specialized

4. Combine them with CultMec to get access to some decent formations and a roster of very beefy units OR with some other imperial force to get yourself some transports

They're not overly powerful by any means but can bring some serious pain if used right. Pretty much an army full of glascannons.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/709878.page

>With the new Psychic Power leaks for Tzeentch, Siphon Magic looks interesting.

>The way it's written, it is a blessing. For the remainder of the phase, anytime a friendly Psyker within 18" of this Psyker manifests a power, you place a die next to the Psyker that cast Siphon Magic. Those dice in question may be spent by said Psyker as though they are bonus Warp Charge.

>Here's the catch: The dice in question aren't actually Warp Charge, and while you normally get rid of any excess Warp Charge at the end of your Psyker Phase, there's nothing about discarding excess dice that can be spent as though they were Warp Charge (but aren't Warp Charge).

>The question then becomes: Can you "store" these dice over the course of multiple turns. RAW, I don't see why not. RAI, ymmv.


Thoughts on this? Found it on Dakka and it looks arguable. With the shit thousand sons got, it would be nice to have at least some way to cast powers from 20 psykers.

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>>50605833
new book out yet? (chaos legions)

I for one can't wait for 8e to release.

>>50606388

>they'll do much less damage than Berzerkers with that WS4

WS5 zerks are 19 ppm. WS4 "neo-zerks" are 15 ppm.

A 20 WS5 guys for those points gets 80 attacks on the charge, on average vs MEQ 53 of those hit. 25 WS4 guys for the same points gets 100 attacks, on average vs MEQ 50 of those hit.

You're only getting 3 extra hits per 380 points of models when taking berzerkers, which is mitigated by the fact that they die just as quickly to shooting, but there's less of them so they lose more hits to the same number of shooting attacks. And they can't take special weapons other than plasma pistols.

>>50606494

Whole book isn't, but there was a mega with legion pictures

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Does anyone know what the GSC models in Overkill come armed with?

>>50606139
Grey Knight successors who are invisible to Daemons, their next in line to be Chapter Master is Primarch sized and S5, but is effectively S10 due to his giant mace that was made to fit his size.

>>50606373
They are a strong army limited by a (hopefully) soon removed lack of transport and delivery options.

Skitarii with assault transports = massive rape.

I've been playing around with the idea of expanding my Crimson Fists KT into a 1000 point army besides the obvious choice of Sternguard (rerolls on their special ammunition sounds tasty) and a Devastator squad for heavy weaps what else should I get?

So what lists are available for Space Marines that allow me to take like mono terminators and dreds? I know there's deathwing but what else.

>>50606670
There are a couple of termie/dread formations you can use (First Company Hammerfall Assault Force/Skyspear Assault Wing)

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Anyone know how many Chainfists the Deathwing Termi squad box comes with?

>>50606605

Just one of those big brown floaty droid transports from Star Wars The Phantom Menace. Jam-pack the fucker up with folded-up Sicarians and just deploy them off the hanger racks. Those foul xenos Goongas will be chunky salsa before you can finish saying "I may have gone too far in a few places."

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>>50606750
Not likely, Gungans have mobile shields generators and super strong artillery

>>50606605

Is the Triaros in 30k an assault vehicle? I know it's the AdMech land raider equivalent and it has a shock prow, but does it have an assault ramp?

>>50606750
>hangEr

kys.

>>50606809
No, 30k AdMech have no assault vehicles.

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>>50606670

Black Legion

>>50606818

They literally hang on those racks, anon. It's not an airplane hangar.

>>50605936
Tell me why thousand sons are great

>>50606231

There's no probably about it. Nids have a monobuild that, whilst boring, is effective and competitive, though not against absolute top tier lists. Orks don't even have that.

>>50606742
Only one, unfortunately. Comes with heaps of other cool stuff, though.

>>50606934
>only one
Well that's not annoying at all. Especially since I need two.

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>>50605833
Rak'gol codex when?

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>>50606128
>>bikes instead of chosen or lernaen terminators
>>bike hq instead of tacticool operator alpharius or terminator assassin alpharius

Not particularly alpha/10

>>50606983
Chainfists are only powerfists with a chainsword blade below then, you can pretty easily convert an extra one if you have/a friend has some spare imperial bits laying about.

>>50606096

This happened to me but for 30 guys. Repainting was worth it. It took a long time but the results are way better and I wasn't happy with 30 pieces of shit lying around anyway. If nothing else, consider it a lesson learned.

>>50606983
You can find plenty of chainfists at multiple bits stores.

>>50607011
I bet it was worth it, but my God does that sound rough. Right now I'm moving on to another 10 with the new scheme and putting those others on the back burner. I have about 30 painted another scheme from years ago, but I'm just going to leave them. I think I might do something on the shoulder pad of them. An anon suggested that they are armies uniting together to fight against an enemy. With an Inquisitor ally, I might do something where the Inquisitor picked the best men he could find and put them together.

>>50606996
they belong where the Malal meme fanfic belong : in the trash.

GW cant even balance and update the army we have.

>>50607007
Yeah, but my friend plays 'Nids and Orks.

That, and I feel like converting one with a regular chainsword would look off to me, which would just really bug me.

Could probably go bits shopping or buy a second set to build as Deathwing Knights, I guess.

>>50606416
Hive Tyrants, obviously. I'm the guy that recommended you those models, though Lictors and Zoanthropes are less "Good" than "Stuff you can make with the shit you have." Frankly Nids right now are monobuild Flyrants+Mawlocs competitively, with Hive Crones being another solid model you can throw in.

Great units

Hive Tyrant, Mawloc, Malanthrope

Good Unit:

Hive Crone, Zoanthrope, Venomthrope, Mucolid Spore

Okay unit:

Lictor, Zoanthrope, Tervigon, Broodlord, Biovore, Carnifex, Gargoyle, Rippers

Mediocre Unit: Exocrine, Hive Guard, Tyrant Guard, Harpy, Shrike, Toxicrene, Diamacheron

Bad Unit: Tyrannofex, Trygon/Prime, Gants

Unplayably Awful Unit: Everything Else.

>>50606230
Keep points the same
Chain axes standard equipment no additional cost
Increase attacks by 1

Up to 2 Berzerkers may have
plasma pistol 10 points
Power axe 15 points
Power fist 25 points
Pair of lightning claws 30

Champion has access to armoury as usual - added special rule - martial master - Reroll All rolls of 1 when in a challenge

>>50606412

It revolves around being able to take a 400-point Stompa, I'd imagine.

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>>50607068
Just because GWs hasn't been able to balance the game ever hasn't stopped new armies from existing. Fucking Ad Mech didn't have an army until what, two years ago? No reason Rak'gol shouldn't have one.

How would you feel if I gave a sergeant a chainsword and called it a power sword?

>>50607190
I wouldn't mind, but some people like to be anal about WYSIWYG

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Alright lads,
Viper's Bite (Boltgun with STR 5 AP2)
or
Hydra's Teeth (Stormbolter with Blast, Ignores Cover, Poisoned (2+))?

>>50607190

I'd be fine with it if you didn't have sergeants with chainswords that were actually chainswords. Proxies need to be uniform.

>>50607178
>I like the fist+HFlamer idea, and it works in HH, too, though idk if that's a good loadout there.

depends on what lists you run into, it's good at killing bolter blobs but if you're fighting plebs who use pride of the legion and veterans as troops it won't be as good

>>50607178
>Still, replace HB with Havok "snipers"shooting shit, Raptors sky diving, and then this crazy Dread REEEEEEs forward spitting fire everywhere as it disembowels a tank.

good fluff, I approve

>>50607209
Depends on what you intend the unit to be fighting

In a vacuum I'd probably go with Hydra's Teeth though

>>50607190
Cut off all the chain's teeth on the sword, then paint it a different color so you don't have any issues like this >>50607211

Paint normal chainswords one way, but with the teeth cut off and painted up like a power sword, you shouldn't have any issue.

>>50607190
If all your chainswords are count-as power swords then fine, if its just one dude with this then no because thats exactly why we have WYSIWYG, so one dude cant go and "Oh I forgot that one sergeant with a chainsword is actually a power sword! Your shit is fucked!".

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>>50606128
my alphaness is even bigger
>>50606277
webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/

>>50607190
Nah mate, that's cool. There's power chain weapons in the fluff that just count as power weapons on the TT, like the 30k Cataphractii Power Axes, or the famous chainfist.

Of course, you should paint it a certain way to prevent confusion should there be others with a regular chainsword.

Or are you going to give your other sergeants power swords and call them chainswords?

>>50607162

AdMech has been a staple of fluff since Rogue Trader, with dozens of different interpretations and references before Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus came out.

Rak'Gol are FFG's own from Rogue Trader. They're a point of contention as to ownership, and GW is very much unwilling to get itself embroiled in legal troubles over anything, as a smart business should.

>>50606365
RIP blood angels you will be missed. how did we fall so far?

Does anyone have the Alpha Legion pages from the new book?

anyone on 40kg have Alpha Legion book suggestions?

>>50606431

What was that FAQ, by the way?

>>50606365
what are the ITC list building requirements?

>>50607340
Can't start in Battle Brother transports, so Skitarii lost the ability to drop pod or start in any transport, as Skitarii lacks them completely.

>>50607340
You can't begin the game in a battle brother's transport. You can still embark on it after starting, but you're basically losing a turn.

It also hurt eldar/deldar lists, so RIP wraithguard in venoms.

>>50606463
>Nope. I'm using the paid version, and I'm regretting it more and more

Well, I am truly sorry.

Here I am using an excel spreadsheet like a common troll.

>>50606365
>Quit playing when Guard were near top tier
>Join back in and now Guard are bottom of the barrel tier

NIGHT LORD ANON

The book I was thinking of was the LORD OF THE NIGHT

it's a stand alone novel and it's really really good

>>50606742
>https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q!c4pGAJDb
cut a chain sword in half and make your own

>>50607344
https://www.frontlinegaming.org/community/frontline-gamings-independent-tournament-circuit/itc-2015-season-40k-tournament-format/

Dunno why 2015 is in the url, it's the 2016 stuff.

1850pts, battle forged only.

Vast majority of the rules are just cutting down on lords of war.

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This application doesn't have the Wrath of Cadia, and that's upsetting.
How's this 1250 points list look?

>>50607369
I'm not sure we're actually that bad. Could be a fluke. I mean Skitarii are normally considered High-Mid tier and Orks are considered bottom tier and that's not at all reflected here.

>>50607216

I'll likely be magnetizing the arms anyway, so I can swap the loadout for 30k.


Anyway, here's a quick 1000 points. Just need to fluff the Spawn...

Murder Talon -1000

>Chaos Warband

Lord w/ Jump Pack
Claws of the Black Hunt, Sigil of Corruption,

Sorcerer w/ Jump Pack
ML3, Force Axe, Spell Familiar, Stormbolt Plate

Terminators x5
Champ w/ Dual LC
Combi-Plas w/ Axe x3
Reaper AC w/ Axe

Raptors x6
Melta x2

CSM x5
Plasma

CSM x5
Plasma

Hellbrute
PF + HF x2

Spawn tax

>>50607380

Well then. Thanks. I'll keep an eye out.

>>50606365
I don't know what any of that means other than that they're ranked from worst to best.

>>50607248
just to clarify, the hellbrute formation is actually the mayhem pack, that lets you deepstrike them, i belive thats fluffy beacuse what is more alpha than send dreadnaughts alone to infiltrate a planet?

>>50607433
I hope so, but so far I've seen nothing but Guard being mediocre at best and in general bad. Every bat rep I've seen in the last 2 years has the Guard being pretty bad. Even the guys at the store I went to were talking about them not being too great.

That said, I have a question. So back when I played, Guard blobs with hidden Power Weapons were pretty solid. Can you still do something like that? The way I see wound allocation seems to be done closest to the model attacking, but is there a way to put the Power Weapons in the middle of the blob to still hit others?

>>50607470
it's in the Black Library mega in OP under stand alone

>>50607514

Even better, thanks.

>>50607433
Skitarii is high-mid tier when combined with AdMech and maybe Knights/other Imperials.

And with data from so many different events with so many different players, it's probably not a fluke.

Buuut, there is a bright side. Not a single army on that list was incapable of winning games against any other army. IG might be lower tier, but the gap between low tier and high tier isn't as insurmountable as you might think. The far-and-away best and most successful player in the tournament, Matt Root, played an AdMech army, which sits roughly in mid tier going by the overall results.

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>>50607326

>>50607495
It's basically just two different systems of collating results, then he averaged the ranks in both for the final faction ranking.

Honestly I'm not sure how it works either, came from one of those mathpriests on reddit who lovingly gathered all the data.

>>50607506
So long as the power weapon is withing 2" of the enemy can hit so just put a wall of normal guardsmen in front of your power weapons guy to take the hits for him. You can also Look Out Sir if he's going to take a wound.

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I kind of want to do a Slaaneshii Terminator Warband but that wouldn't be a very good idea would it? Nurgle seems like the best way to go with terminators.

>>50607141
>Power axe 15 points
Power fist 25 points
Pair of lightning claws 30
Change power axe for 'Power Weapon'.

>Champion has access to armoury as usual - added special rule - martial master - Reroll All rolls of 1 when in a challenge
I'd name that one 'Skulls for the Skull Throne', though I agree.

Also, give them Feel No Pain. They're always extremely tough in the fluff, and they need help getting into melee.

>>50607506
>>50607581
With the new character rules, characters have to move as close to the enemies as possible when piling into an assault. According to GW, "their place is at the forefront".

You could kinda work around this by equipping them with power axes (which is probably the best choice anyway), making it so that the higher initiative guardsmen pile in first, keeping the sergeants behind a solid wall of bodies when the I1 step happens.

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>>50607531

>>50607624
Wait, really? I've never heard of that. Was that in the new FAQ? That's going to ruin conscripts with Commissar tar pits.

>>50607531
>>50607636
thanks <3

With Guardsmen, does an infantry platoon count as a single unit?

RAW for the medi-pack says it gives every man in the unit FnP, so I was wondering if a single medic in the platoon would apply to everyone.

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>>50607665
Nah, it was just in the rules for characters in the rulebook. I don't blame you for missing it though since it was preceded by generic rules jargon.

>>50607676
No, each squad is a unit.

>>50607676
It doesn't. It's just a single selection on the organization chart.

>>50607686
>>50607691
figured it was too good to be true.

>>50607681
Well I'll be. Guess there's still LOS.

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>>50607671

Where do I get books 9-12 for the beast arises?

>>50606571
Acolytes are all barebones
Neophytes have autoguns, 2 grenade launchers and 2 mining lasers

>>50607715

>two snakes

ALPHA LEGION!

>>50607681
So basically, since the Sergeant is a character, I can't hide Power Weapons in the blob. So no more 30-50 man squads with Commissars attached. I could still do it, with a Priest too, but man that seems like a point sink for those Power Weapons to die right away. Straken giving Furious Charge doesn't help either thanks to it no longer giving +1 S and +1 I.

Guess I'll use Bullgryn then.

can someone tell me the death guard rules? i can't make them out from the tine pic i found

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>>50607061
>>50607011
>>50606096

I feel your pain bros, my GSC has 2-3 different themes in it already but my painting is improving so much I just want to keep going.

I just tell myself they had different jobs or they're mutations are coloring them differently.

>>50607833
Little things like that are nice. I personally feel that multipainted armies are superior to primered or no paint armies. I think most would agree with that.

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>On a business trip, cant acces a computer and only have android phone (GS7Edge)
>Trip is 14 days long
>All epub apps are garbage tier (at least the 60+ i tired)

why doesnt readium make a phone app already ? i just want to die right now.

pic related literraly the best.

>>50607898
I agree, it just sets off my autismo.

They all have purple armor/carapaces and greyish skin to reflect on my nid hive fleet though so it still works I hope.

What list/army can beat a Warlord Titan coming in at 2750 points.

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Is this a fluffy and viable list for a casual 650pt game?

>>50607981
Yes. Only losers and faggots wouldnt play against that list.

does any on have pics of the new wordbearers rules?

R8 my 1850 List:

Unbound: Space Marine Faction

3x Relic Leviathan Dreadnought, Ceramite Plating, Hunter-Killer Missiles, Leviathan Storm Cannons, Siege Claws

2x Relic Leviathan Dreadnought, Ceramite Plating, Hunter-Killer Missiles, Cyclic Melta Lance, Siege Drill, Lucius Patter Drop Pod

>>50607977
Necron Guass spam
>>50607981
fluffy? Sure, you've cornered Magnus
viable? Nah, he's gonna get nuked by an entire 650pt force each turn.

>>50608016
http://natfka.blogspot.fi/2016/12/traitor-legions-images-of-all-9-legion.html

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psted this in the last thread revised my 1850 point Formation Detachment of World Eaters Allied with Daemons a bit to include power weapons and bloodletters instead of horrors and made the bike deathstar. I am about to place a fat order with Z and would like a little critique on this first. I own the brutes, cultist, and csm already so those id like to keep in the list.

>>50607941
Have you tried Kobo. It has no issues for me

>>50607981
lol. i would love to play that.
Thats the one game i could win easily with my tyranids

>>50608061
A few things.

How are those CSM going to get into combat?

Why no icon on the bikes?

Why Bloodletters?

Helbrutes are kinda bad too, especially if they're just generic fist + melta dudes. That's 200 points that could go to metal boxes or upgrades.

How are you going to deal with armor, air units or Monstrous Creatures? You seem to have lots of chaff units but not enough killy things.

>>50608146
May the patriarch bless you anon...

>>50608061
I'd free up another 100 points, if not 145 and get another helbrute for the deepstrike formation and give them heavy flamers on their power fists.

>>50607607
I5 lighting claw termies is nothing to shake a stick at

Oh cool tau get another free 6in move so helpful

>>50608061
>no METAL BAWKSES

you're going to lose half your army before you can say "chaos is still good guys"

>>50607531

Isn't a 2++ a bit overkill against flamers?

>>50608198
>How are those CSM going to get into combat?
tell me if im wrong but cause I am new to 40k, Id figure with the World eaters 2D6 movement rule in the beginning would be a good enough.
>Why no icon on the bikes?
Figure they already have fearless and furious charge with the khorne votlw buff in the legion rules
>Why Bloodletters?
I was gonna use pink horrors (since I have some already) but decided to keep with the theme and maybe find a use of them with their deep striking into a objective or something.
>Helbrutes are kinda bad too
Yea I know that much sucks they look nice and I alraedy have 3 was thinking of doing mayhem pack but needed to fill Chaos warband formation and used a 2nd to fill
>How are you going to deal with armor, air units or Monstrous Creatures?
For armor and monstrous Creatures, was gonna rely on the Lord, Termi, and D thirster once he gets in and as far as flying was gonna ignore it

Any suggestions? im all ears I havent placed the order and only have the hellbrutes, cultist, and csms.

>>50608061
2slow. 70% of that shit is going to get destroyed before reaching combat, 3 turns or shooting is too much for that army, and without Rhinos they won't even last 2. Replace those Brutes with Maulerfiends, take the formation if you can. I'd get rid of the allied Detachment entirely and just get more Bikes instead.

does anyone have the death guard rules?

>>50608214
Yea I liked that idea if i would use a CAD instead of the formation detachment thing is im using the brute to fill the requirments of Chaos warband and that would mean 4 brutes total to run the formation and fill the required original detachment.

>>50608236
Ill prolly get metal boxes if the 2D6 rule with the World Eaters Legion isnt sufficent enough. Im not turning away metal boxes but prefer to not have them if I dont need them.

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What are some good weapons to have for a tzeentch chaos contemptor?

>>50608382
Take them anyway, even if you don't put your troops in them. Dirge casters will deny Overwatch (a huge issue vs Tau) and they're good for objectives too.

>>50608348
Oh yeah, Traitor Legion rules. Still, average roll on 2d6 is only 7. 7" is a little over half of what a Rhino would get you, and you don't get any protection for it.

Icon makes sense with WE tactics.

Eh. Daemonettes are basically just better Bloodletters. Paint em red and pretend they're Khornate (or Tzeentch tricked Khorne into letting Slaaneshi daemons into his army).

Lord and Termies are not nearly enough to deal with massed armor, especially not AV 14. D thirster is alright, but he'll be getting focused down pretty hard too.

The really important things to keep in mind, though, are these:

1) what's your local meta like

2) what objectives are you playing in order to win

>>50606122
Move through cover bro

>>50608025
Thanks man, Its nice to see some of the old 3.5 khorne stuff back.

>>50608406
You forget the 2d6 move is free. Icon is completely redundant when they already reroll charge range and have FC.

>>50608436
2d6 is free but way too unreliable.

And yes, I already agreed the icon was pointless, though I see the source of your confusion--I should have said "your choice about the Icon makes sense with WE tactics."

>>50608406
>>50608400
Ill invest in the rhinos then just wanted too see fi those rules were sufficient enough guess they are not.

>Icon makes sense with WE tactics
ill trim the fat and remove 1 hellbrute and add rhinos and icon to my bikes (Skull crushers actually cause they look baller).

I have 10 Deamonettes too I figured so and I might as well use them especially if they are better

and my meta is casual and I wouldnt want it any other way but still wanted a good list nothing op which shouldnt be hard since it is CSM. should I give my CSM Melta guns? figured its a waste if I have cc weapons

>>50608416
How can you even read those small ass images?

>>50608473
Sorry, see >>50608460. I meant that you were right to not use the icon.

Meltaguns on the CSM are fine since they are assault. You can pop a transport and then charge the occupants.

>>50608473
>I have 10 Deamonettes too I figured so and I might as well use them especially if they are better
You don't really need the Daemon allies if your meta is casual. Just spam more bikes, they're good if not better, and will keep the list fluffy.

>should I give my CSM Melta guns? figured its a waste if I have cc weapons
I'd give them flamers if you're fighting hordes, otherwise yes meltas are worth it.

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Can the Custodes Shield-Captain take the Custodes vexilla or just the mook Custodes?
The rules state "One Custodian in your army may replace his guardian spear with a Custodes vexilla" but I'm not sure if it means a model from the Custodes Faction or the non-sergeant Custodes in the unit.

>>50608575
why are space marines so short

>>50608583

Custodes are as tall as a tank.

>>50608606
im taller than a 1998 base model jetta

>>50608583
Marinelets and Chadstodes

>>50608575

Whenever GW writes shit like that, they mean SPECIFICALLY THAT UNIT, as spelled.

So "one Space Marine" means no sergeants, no veterans, etc. Has to be a spare tactical marine "space marine" or devastator, etc.

The place you find the "exact name" of the model is in its stats. The stats should have one line for the regular fags, and one line for the leader. The leader will have a different name. The regular fags should be named what the word says on that rule.

If the names are different, then GW fucked up, and they probably mean any Custode model.

>>50608633
Wait, so does that mean I can't give units like a Deathwing Champion the Deathwing Company Banner due to him being the Champ? Man, that sucks, would have made for an awesome looking modelling opportunity.

Anyone got a scan of the new Magnus Suplement?

>>50608701
check op before you ask silly questions

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>>50608690

When have you ever seen the dual wielding "champion" of a marine army also be the banner wearer? They're two distinct roles. One dude holds the flag, the other dude dual wields to defend everyone's honor.

Do we still not have a scan of the traitor legions supplement?

i checked here https://mega.nz/#F!Wl5DAbCb!TYxZG4CgX_x-NJu7JBwbZQ!2tgBUTYI

but i didnt see it

>tfw can't include a Mayhem Pack in my Murder Talon

Deep striking Hellbrutes would be awesome for a night Lords

>>50608780
Do you even know how to reply to others

nope, iam a pleb

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>>50608746
Yeah, but I think it'd be cool to have the guy with the Halberd of Caliban have the banner upon his termi armor. Not as cool to me now, but still cool.

>>50608823
Click on the number on the end of someone's post for a quick link. You can type it out/copy it too if you really want to.

>>50606365

>Both of my armies are in the bottom 5

kek, why do CSM and Orks players bitch?

>>50608824
Thats just being greedy

>>50608831
ah, thx

>>50608790
Wish Helbrutes could have claws.

>>50608835

ITC is more favorable to Orks because they allow the Buzzgob Mek Stompa, something that many Orks players have little interest in fielding due to it being so out of date (mind you, it's reasonably costed at 400 points as opposed to the ludicrous 870 that it normally is).

In addition to that ITC missions are more skewed in favour of grabbing objectives every turn. Orks are actually surprisingly decent at this, thanks to units like Deffkoptas. ITC Ork lists will commonly feature multiple single-model Deffkopta units simply for nabbing those objectives each turn.

Chaos I can't speak of.

>>50608885

Power scourges?

>>50608848
>Give him robed termi armor, wings, AND the banner you say?
My, what a blinged out champion is he.

>>50608889

That's actually a decent non-meme answer, thank you anon.

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>since traitor legions came out people are mentioning Chosen a lot more
>mfw chosen are finally good or at least okay

hol up, I still haven't read TL. why are Chosen better now? might have to bust out my plasma dudes. man I have been waiting so long for Chosen to have their day, I am hype about this

How would you represent a NL Spawn as something that isn't a... Spawn?

>>50608889

This is also the reason Tau does slightly less well in ITC. They're still in the top but people immediately point to the fact that they're not in the top 3 which are C:SM, Daemons, and Eldar, and go "HURRR TAU IS BALANCED"

Fucking idiots

>>50608942

Winged LC Terminators on 50mm.

>>50608931
Alpha Legion allows Chosen to be Troops, and you can infiltrate them. Makes it a lot easier to bring all those special weapons to bear. They're basically the new termicide but they're much less of the 'cide because they'll spawn in cover AND they have shrouded on their first turn, and much more reliable because no combi-weapons and no deep strike mishaps.

>>50608959

That's kinda what I was thinking, actually. Some big scary dude with wings orbs jump pack.

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WHoopsie. Looks like I fell asleep after Angel's Blade and just woke up yesterday. Who wins in Wrath of Magnus?

>>50609001
Games Workshop

>>50608931
Alpha Legion Chosen (and CSM and Cultists) can infiltrate. Death Guard everything is tanky now. World Eaters Chosen are better than Berserkers. Everything in Night Lords gets stealth, including your special weapon chosen.

>>50609013
this actually

>>50609014
do we have the new chaos suplement in our rules section? i didnt see it

>>50607981
Would be fun to play against with my 'Magnus the Red' list.

>>50609013
>>50609073
haha. yeah. cool. but, like, who wins in the book?

>>50605833
Are there any videos of tournament battle reports? Every time I look for some I just find people preparing for them. I'd love to watch some of the ITC tournaments.

>>50609114
wolfs got one of their worlds blowded up, tsons recreated prospero and have buggered off

>>50609174
One of their worlds or Fenris itself?

>>50609114
Who cares? The book is not canon.
Only codexes are canon.

>>50609199
AYYY LMAO

>>50609191

Nope, some red shirt world.

It's more or less exactly like the Black Crusades 1-12 i.e. Chaos shows up, gets blown the fuck out, but then GW writes that Chaos totally won because they achieved this random objective right, and that's going to totally lead to Chaos being REALLY powerful in the future and the Imperium didn't really win, Chaos actually won because they got this objective done.

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>>50609199
You must be an Imperial Fists player.
because I am and the pain is eternal

>>50609001
Its a shit show for both sides honestly. Magnus gets everything except anything meaningful till Khonre team kills him so then he fucks of and brings the Planet of Sorcerers into realspace, which is pretty bad jew-jew for the Imperium.

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I have an idea for Iron warriors detachment

haemotrope reactor to get blast plasma, then manufactory to get re-roll armour saves on gets hot as well as 4+ cover area terrain (doesn't use 25 % rule).

60pts altogether, yay or nay?

>>50609114

Magnus. He steals power from Fenris to bring the Planet of the Sorcerers into realspace, in the prospero system. His daemons corrupt Midgardia, forcing the wolves to destroy the planet. The Grey Knights kill a couple thousand Fenrisians, because they came into contact with so many daemons that it is inevitable lots of them got corrupted too.

Khorne overcomes the bindings on Grimnar's Axe, turning it into a daemon weapon, just so he can BTFO Magnus: thus the space wolves don't actually get wiped out. Fenris is still around, the worldsoul rune power is still there(though diminished), it's been ravaged severely, Chaos corruption is everywhere, both daemonspawn and the feral animal spirits that awoke to fight them are still all over the place.

The Space Wolves pack up and head to the Eye of Terror because Wolftime has begun and after the Wulfen debacle and the Axe Morkai turning into a vessel of Khorne, they need to prove they aren't corrupted too.

>>50609225
What happened to imperial fists recently?

>>50609248
nothing.

and it never will again.

>>50609164
the white feary guys do those but they are in german

>>50609238
>Khonre team kills him

Khorne HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. He didn't act directly.

A shard of him that was tamed by the Wolves Fenris magics is what screwed over Magnus. If Khorne has any control over the shard, then he would have either corrupted Logan or taken it back instead of sending legions of daemons at the Space Wolves in order to get it back and claim Logan's skull.

>>50609248
Nothing much. Except that they all died after the Horus Heresy and the ones in 40k now are fakes. Also the battle of the Phalanx started at the beginning of the latest black crusade and still hasn't been resolved or talked about again.

>>50609264
You can't begin healing anon if you don't tell me where the lore writers touched your army

>>50609244

>my loyalist army is Executioners, an assault-favoring, feral-worlder Imperial Fists successor
>Iron Warriors can take as many fortifications as they like because it's an auxiliary choice

How do I avoid getting caged this time?

>>50609245
>Khorne overcomes the bindings on Grimnar's Axe, turning it into a daemon weapon

What a fucking lie. The text says that since the axe was originally a Khornate weapon that was reforged it bypassed Magnus's shards that protected him against all Imperial weapons including the Grey Knight anti-daemon weaponry.

Khorne did NOZING other than laugh in amusement.

>>50609317
Magnus's wards*

>>50609283

>tamed by the Fenris magics
Wouldn't Khorne take that as an insult and plan to fight the Space Wolves over Morkai's corruption(sanctification?) of his artifact? Last time I checked, killing rival war gods was how he got some of the biggest skulls on his throne.

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>>50609288
Wait really? Christ alot changes when you leave hobby for like 3-4 years.

>>50609283
>Khorne HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT

>In the distance, thunder rumbled long and loud. Only the psykers present heard it for what it was – the laughter of the Blood God himself.

>Magnus’ arcane aura had been compromised badly, for though he possessed wards against every weapon the Imperium might throw at him, he could not guard against an axe once forged in the name of the Blood God.

Stop lying mate.

So Logan left Fenris a more determined and faithful man after seeing the damage on his home planet and witnessing a vision of Russ. He went to Cadia to take command of the forces there.

Isn't it canonical that Logan defeats the black crusade? By not finishing the wolves Magnus caused his side to lose.

>>50609288

They are a successor chapter that was very similar to their First Founding Chapter, and got rolled back into it. Does that count as fake?

What would really be fake is if the Fist Exemplar were an Ultramarines successor, but they aren't.

>>50609360
You

see

>>50609317

You are the one lying.


>>50609343
He did. In Sanctus Reach book 2.

He sent whole legions of daemons called Logan's bane which were made from his hate for the guy.

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>>50608488

>>50609374
Yes, yes ignore the quotes obviously proving you wrong. Let the butthurt flow through you.

>>50609363
This is like the 6th or 7th time you tried this bait. Start using a trip plz.

>>50609395
Lets ignore the fact we have a whole novel about the breaking and taming of Khornate shard within the axe (Arjac Rockfist novel) where the potency of axe is kept but its corruption is contained. Lets also ignore that Khorne is extremely butthurt with Logan over the humiliation and theft

>VENGEANCE

>Hundreds of years ago, on the burning fields of Armageddon, Logan Grimnar incurred the wrath of the Blood God. Khorne’s mightiest champions had been defeated by the combined might of the Space Wolves and Grey Knights, great Angron himself banished back to the Warp alongside the dozen-strong honour guard of Bloodthirsters that fought by his side. Grimnar had been newly promoted to Great Wolf a matter of months before the battle began, but it was his strategic genius and unflinching heroism that had held the legions of Chaos at bay long enough for Khorne’s servants to be foiled. It was Grimnar who had slain one of the mightiest lords of the World Eaters, claiming his axe as wargelt. It was Grimnar who had been hailed as Armageddon’s great victor. It was Grimnar upon whom the eye of wrathful Khorne had settled, and whose skull the Blood God now desired above all others.

>Time flows differently in the Warp, days passing in years, decades in mere moments. All the while, Khorne’s desire for revenge roiled in the Immaterium, growing furnace hot and forging legions of Daemons whose only purpose was its fulfilment. Bargains were struck, mighty entities trammelled in brass and fire and standing ready in serried ranks for their master’s command. Now, as the skies opened above Alaric Prime and the Warp bled through, the Blood God seized his chance. Grimnar’s bane was loosed upon the world. The blood debt would be settled.

>>50609412
>THE VENGEFUL HOST

>A teeming mass of gore-slick Bloodletters, the Vengeful Host formed the heart of the Daemontide. Every last Daemon in this fell company was born from the Blood God’s thirst for revenge upon Logan Grimnar. They were birthed from the raw stuff of the Warp with his name already burning upon their lips. When the Bloodletters spoke, it was ever to proclaim their hatred of the Great Wolf and brag to their fellows of how they would be the one to claim his skull. They hungered only for Grimnar’s soul, thirsted only for his blood, though they would slaughter any who stood between them and their chosen prey. When the veil tore asunder above Scrap Peak and their chance was presented at last, the Vengeful Host charged screaming into the fray with every fibre of their unnatural forms straining to reach and butcher the Space Wolves’ lord.

>>50609412
>BL
>Canon
Pick one mate. Traitor Legions and WoM just ignored most of BL's shit tier books.

Also I noticed you still didnt address the quotes I posted.

Ok. everyone get their dicks out while i get the ruler

>>50609436
do you have an inverted ruler? :(

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>>50609436

>>50609431
>implying

MoW acknowledged BL Ahriman as the canon version and mentioned characters that only appeared in his series. It also nodded at the Ragnar series by mentioning Madox. The only issue was the warning lore which is a mess is just GW not agreeing what to do with it.


>Traitor Legions

Where?

>Also I noticed you still didnt address the quotes I posted.

Already did. Your only "proof" is that Khorne laughed and it isn't a proof. Then you tried to dismiss my proof from the novel that says that the Wolves broke the spirit of Khorne within the axe and tamed it making its power the thrall of the Wolves.

>>50609436
Chaos made me take estrogen to shrink my penis I swear!

>>50609463
Forget to mention that MoW also confirmed that Magnus did indeed get sharded like what the Ahriman novels said.

>>50609463
GW ignores BL all the time. SEE ATTACHED.

When GW writes something down its canon, BL material is supplemntary/extended universe that can be retconned whenever.

>Yiffers in this much denial
KEK.

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>>50609486
>>50609463
Interdasting.

>>50609486
>GW ignores BL all the time. SEE ATTACHED.

Except MoW acknowledge a lot of BL material in book. So you in trouble here. You have no proof that Arjac's novel is not canon. The majority of the MoW book character lore is taken from the BL novels about them, in fact.

>BL material is supplemntary/extended universe that can be retconned whenever.

Except GW never stated as anything like that and in reality said that they are all equally canonical. Your only issue here is the warning lore which didn't contradict just BL but other GW and FW sources. So it's either a mistake or some retcon is coming that will filter into the newer BL edits and FW books.

But back to the point. Khorne DID NOZING. It was Morkai that the Khorne shard acknowledge as Alpha.

>>50608942
A fucking vargheist.

>>50609494
It says Alpha Legion. Notice that it says nothing about what Alpharius and Omegon were doing.

>>50609529
You can keep denying it all you want but as you can see GW just ignored all the BL books about the Alpha Legion.

Stay forever salty friend.

>>50609374
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>>50609436
>>(my post number)

found the alpha legion spies

>>50609578
>Reaching this hard
Go find the others if you want to learn more. Surprise surprise they all follow the old pre-BL fluff.

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>>50609580
You

see

>>50609578

Only the innermost circle of the Alpha Legion knew why really Alpharius sided with the warmaster and it was even vague to them. For the majority of the Alpha Legion it might have been that >>50609494

In HH series they fragmented into many cells fighting the Imperium while fighting themselves at the same time. It was a mess.

>>50609555

There's an idea.

>>50609600
But they dropped any mention of Alpha and went to his legion motivations, not his.

The other pages goes in detail about their involvement in their legion's fall and what happened to them afterwards. Alpha is no where to be seen in that page.

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>>50609632
Why dont you both go have a look here
>https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1470

>these autistic fucks don't even realize the fluff is intentionally ambiguous and open

You do realize that the point of ambiguous fluff is so that you can make YOUR WARBAND the way YOU WANT IT TO

why do you think night lords have renegade cells using scavenged 30k tech and full daemonic cells led by daemon princes and possessed?

>>50609632
Disregard what I said about nothing been seen about Alpha. The blurry part in the upper left corner. It mentions Alpha and OMEGON. Omegon the BL creation that only appeared in Bl until that page.

You just screwed yourself man.

>>50608308
Considering it already was giving 2+ armor which most flamers don't ignore, yes it is

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>>50609645
>why do you think night lords have renegade cells using scavenged 30k tech and full daemonic cells led by daemon princes and possessed?

Because Talos is a bitch ass punk?

>>50609641
That's it? That's all the fluff in the book? No timeline? No stories? How do you guys justify this?

>>50609673

>bitch ass punk
>Told Horus he was shit to his face

>>50609696
Because it doesn't need any more fluff. If they had a timeline, there'd be what, one entry per Legion?

If you wanted lots of fluff for all of them, you'll end up with a huge book, and this is not a codex.

>>50609645
it really is retarded to see presumably grown men arguing about if something "really happened" happened in a fictional universe. why do people even give a shit about what is canon, if there's some conflicting information just believe what you want to believe, that's part of the fun. having an argument about it is bazinga tier.

but I don't want to shit up the thread with a purely negative post, so I will also ask a general question to everyone: anything cool happening with chaos terminators now? iirc they are troops in black legion, but are there any particularly interesting new combos/decurions involving terminators?

>>50609666
non-human or non-marine

>>50609714
You mean Abaddon

>>50609727
The other supplements had timelines AND features decent length stories.

The Farsight supplement, The Iyanden supplement, pretty much every single one. This is no justification for this except that GW hates Chaos and always did.

>>50609769
>The other supplements had timelines AND features decent length stories.

They were all single faction Codexes.

>>50609769
You are correct. Abbadon is exactly what I had in my head.

>>50609732
There are a limited number of subjects for this general to discuss especially with the post rate it typically has.
This means there will be a lot of pointless filler arguments over inane shit no one except the resident autists cares about, and then you get the deadly mix of the autistic and the bored.

>Chaos Marines now have access to plasma blasters

How does this affect the game?

>>50609797
>Chaos marines get access to wargear that isn't grav
No one cares

>>50609666
Eldar

>>50609805
>implying grav isn't going to be nerfed anyway

Besides, assault 2 18" plasma guns would be awesome

8th edition when?

>>50609805

I bet if CSM had grav they'd skyrocket to 2nd "best" army. C:SM is only #1 because of popularity. Daemons and Eldar are both better but underneath due to not being as popular and requiring joke units that only work with one build whereas marines can just hurl bikes and tac marines in their netlists.

its friday, where are my damn imperial agent leaks, ive had to put up with chaos shit for almost a month now

>>50609852
March-April-May

>>50609868
Saturday, not Friday. Late Friday if you're in a lucky time zone. Late saturday if you're in an unlucky one.

>>50609843
People said grav was going to be nerfed when 7th edition dropped, but instead it become core.
The only way grav will get nerfed is if they pull an AoS and completly redo the wound/ap/save.
Personally I wouldn't mind that as I find the multi wound / multi damage / rend system better.

Do you think people would be fine with me taking a gaunt summoner as an exalted sorcerer as my HQ unit if I make it look nice?

>>50609888
thisn the rending in AoS is much more believable than "i have my armor or i dont."

>>50609895
Yes

>>50609888
If you don't think grav, gargantuan creatures, and psychic powers are going to get slapped the fuck down hard with the nerfbat come 8th edition, you're not paying attention.

>>50609888

I like that system, too, but how would you make grav not better then everything?

>>50609898

Makes termies better.

Also, what if Invulnerable saves reduced rend instead of straight up being an impenetrable save, while cover added to your save?

>>50609888
>The only way grav will get nerfed is if they pull an AoS and completly redo the wound/ap/save.

I play vanilla marines and I want this so bad.

>>50609917
Would the look of a summoner generally translate over well to an ES and his possible wargear/upgrade choices, or would I need some at least half decent conversion skills?

>>50609934
>and psychic powers are going to get slapped the fuck down hard
>remove summoning
Fixed. Also I'd personally prefer them not to be random as fuck that noise.

>>50609934
>6th edition: 240 point Wraithknight MC
>7th edition: 240 point Wraithknight GC
>6th edition: twin-link, ignore cover blessings
>7th edition: psychic phase, ignore cover, ignore line of sight, swap places with enemy, lower AV, move buildings, summon dozens of units

Going by history, 8th edition is going to buff all those things.

>>50609951
Make grav a roll-under toughness, where the roll has to be less than toughness (ie equal to toughness would be a failure).

That way grav is slightly less effective vs MEQ and much less effective vs TEQ (the units that plasma, not grav, should combat), is still trash vs GEQ and the like, but is extremely useful as a monstrous creature killer.

Also seriously strip back the fire rate.

>>50609843
Really? Ours are Assault 3 and BS7. Given how much they cost, I don't find them really worth it a lot of the time, I prefer Haywire for half the price.
laughingdominus.noosphere

>>50609994

Does admech assault, though? I'm just imaging a dual fist+blaster hell brute or blaster raptors or something.

>>50609989

That could work, yea.

>fire rate

Fucking christ yes.

>>50610011
Plus maybe remove the ability to immobilise vehicles. A glance on a 6 is an alright, slightly mediocre anti-tank utility if the fire rate is stripped back, especially since anti-vehicle is the lascannon/ML/melta role, but grav guns are just too easily able to cripple vehicles and strip huge amounts of hull points currently.

>>50609967
Should work pretty well out of the box, honestly.

Though if you want guns, you'll need conversion skills.

>>50609934

Gargantuan creatures are not the problem. Its a Tau and Eldar have something that is under-costed and should be a walker is the problem.

Seriously, whenever I play one of my nid GC it hurts my list.

>>50610002
That does sound nice, and in fact one of our Heresy battle-automata is similar. Jump MC, two S9 AP2 lightning claws and a chest-mounted plasma blaster.
It kicks five different kinds of ass, but doesn't have a model yet, thanks FW.
40k Admech can do assault, but we can't put plasma on our melee. The Vanguard squads carrying it are decent at mopping up units you just hit with 9 plasma shots and 21 better lasgun shots, though.

What's the best chapter and why is it Salamanders?

>>50610035

Personally, I don't think vehicles should be able to be glanced to death. I think you should need a pen to finish it off, AP2 Pens instead of glance, and AP1 does an extra HP.

>>50610060

That's pretty scary, yea. At least Hellbrutes have fleet, and 1ks can jump with the book.

>>50610035
>>50609989
>make grav completely useless

so basically you don't want grave in the game. that's fine but just be open about it, don't strip it down to shit level nobody ever plays, because the last thing 40k needs is another pointless option

>>50610126
Because you are a nigga ?
amd being the only niggas of 40k you identify to them

Are Corvus blackstars or the BSSF any good for deathwatch? For a sort of 'fuck that unit and probably those units near it' group.

>>50609978
Going by history, we're getting AoS'd, and Gargantuans are going to get weaker as they take Wounds, whilst psychic powers are going to be 1 per phase each, period, and easier to deny.

>>50610148
>killing half the things in the game is useless.

I dont need more to know what army you play.