Warhammer 40,000 general

Death guard, best guard.

>>50599845
Iron warriors, best Iron.

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>>50599806
YOU FUCKIN TAKE THAT BACK OP

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>>50599806

KNEEL BEFORE THE BLACK LEGION

>>50599783
Badass electric teleportation is nice, but I think I'd prefer some kind of speed boost.

Maybe if you made them capable of mixing in units and then applied a bonus to charging any unit the Corpuscarii hit, so as a self-contained Numinous Conclave?
That would make them a nice unit for thinning out and then punching through tarpits and medium units, as well as nice against MCs because of ID.

Give them Dunestrider as well, because that rule is awesome and fun.

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>Orks are a melee race!
>I2

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Why dont you own a Leviathan yet anon?

>>50599882
Eliphas, you got kicked from that legion, so shut up.

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>>50599806
OP a shit edition.

Word Bearers best Legion.

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>>50599913
Because Chaos doesn't have them.

>>50599919
SH-SHUT UP

>>50599985
Don't get discouraged, Brother, we'll triumph in the end.

>>50599896
what if they gave orks +1 more wound?

>>50599982
Why do people like Word Bearers? They're get rekt by almost every single Loyalist Chapter out there. They're also a bunch of edgy retards that only worship the evil aspects of the Dark Gods.

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Just painted my first thousand sons model, what do you think?

>>50600056
It would certainly make sense considering they're the only race that can be literally blown to pieces and still live if a Dok stiches them back together.

Holy shit guys, the metal sisters are no longer available, is this the end for our metal girls? I know plastic is coming but how long till all the metal is gone? Poor little steadfast pewter sisters. I ordered mine this morning, did you save any from the GW fires?

>>50600095

Shit, wrong pic here's the real one.

>>50600057
They're a bunch of edgy retards that only worship the evil aspects of the Dark Gods.

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>>50599913
>being loyalist
>serving the one true Emperor
>receiving the back up from every man, woman and child in the imperium
>being the beacon of salvation for this people
>being lay down on service for the most just of causes but my zealot sustains me
>being interred in glorious tomb and become rage and fury given form
Sure is great being loyalist.

>>50600056
Wounds are fine as they are, only one who needs a fix in that department is the Warboss: More wounds and MAYBE Eternal Warrior (so that it can survive engagements with monstruos creatures).
What orks need is more bite in the form of power choppas and a fix to leadership.

>>50600057
Like I said in the other thread, complete Zealotry, they're the Arch-heretics, and they're generally cool as fuck to me.

>>50600142
Uhhhh.

>>50600142
dude.... lol

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>>50599913
>>50600154

Well, you'll have to live with the knowledge you've been forever outgunned by a glorified toaster, so have fun with that.
The Omnissiah's blessings work better on these, anyway.

>>50600095
>>50600142

Hahah.

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>>50600135

They removed the 'one-click' squad that saves fucking nothing over buying them individually.
Please post when something even slightly interesting happens, as opposed to this.

>>50600095

>Deathguard legion motto

>>50600056
>T4, 2 wounds for 6 points.

Orks have their problems, but power creep is just going to make things worse. They need points reductions; for some units 1 point, for other units a full 30-40% cut (I'm looking at you Nobz).

Special melee weapons would also help. Right now it's Klaws or bust.

>>50600142
The tension is killing me Anon.

>>50600135
IT BEGINS

>>50599806
Quick crunch question are heavy rail rifles or high-yield missile pods better anti-air weapons?

What stupid tricks have you found with the Legion update? Let's discuss stupid tricks.

Remember the Helcult Dataslate? One Helbrute, 2 Cultist units? Know how those Cultists trade ObSec for Fearless, no strings attached?

You can make that Formation an Alpha Legion detachment and have 70 super-cultists infiltrate and jam up the board like better Kroot now.

Word Bearers have a pretty cool Warlord table, especially if you use a Palanquin Sorcerer as your Warlord. 5 of the 6 results are actually quite useful. Their detachment is the easiest to adapt to from Traitor's Hate also, as they're the 2nd-least restrictive Legion.

>>50600135
Haven't sisters been made in resin and not pewter for a while now already?

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hey bros Space Yiffs anon here, after buying the codex i decided i want to go full retard and try collecting one non-human army as well.
What would you recommend?

>>50600288
Tyranids

>>50600288
> get double eights
Khorne is calling your name

That or Orks.

>>50600230
guys sisters are never happening

>rumours of Plastic sisters

>Never happening, this happens all the time.

>GW teases about plastic sisters

>They're just joking guys, they're never coming.

>rumours say plastics in jan-feb and canoness in December

>N..never happening guys, just bullshit again.

>Canoness happens

>No..not happening guys, really, it's just business as u..usual...

>they start removing metal sisters from the store

>S...serious..seriously guys...never happening..this..this doesn't mean anything...this happens all the time, nothing...nothing to see here.


This is just pathetic at this point, Anon.

>>50600249

U thunk u've humuluated myself enough for one nught.

>>50600192
>>50600152
So basically just edge? No wonder they keep getting BTFO by everyone in the fluff.

>>50600248
Not him, but I thought you couldn't hide power weapons in guard blobs anymore? As in, I thought they would die fast in the current edition.

>>50600325
Is that why lots like the Black Templars?

>>50600322
>they start removing metal sisters from the store

This has happened multiple times already for restocking. But I bet plastic SoB are incoming eventually.

>>50600230
??
There's no longer any way to buy standard battle sisters.

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>>50599913

If FW wants my money they'll have to make an actual Chaosified one.

>>50600338
Yup.
Useless people playing useless armies.

>>50600154

Leviathans are the worst Dreadnought to be put in. They are so complex and hard to pilot, they eventually drive the pilots insane.

>>50600356

>He can't glue a fence to a Leviathan himself

>>50600181

Why not toughness 6 instead eternal warrior?

>>50600342
What, them being completely gone has happened before? Not just "Temporarily out of stock" or "No longer available", but just gone?

>>50600380
So a Boss on a Warbike?

>>50600347
ERHMAGERD CORFIMERDDD ALL SPECIAL WEAPON SISTERS, IT'S TRYE, IF YOU DIABGREE YOU ARE BLINDS AND NAYSAYER!!!!!

>>50600324
NOOO you must post.

>>50600399
At this point, yeah, you are. And a shitposter.

Holy shit are SoB players/fanbase awful. Let yourself believe a little, man.

>>50600399
No need to sperg at me. There did indeed use to be both the bundle and also an option for just three battle sisters. They're both gone. Keeping the old special weapons Sisters around makes sense, they do it for Cadians.

>>50597826
Special Characters haven't been 'Special' for a while. Special Characters are essentially mini-formations. They change the way your army can be played. Back in 5th, I used Straken and various other units like Ogryn, Penal Legions, Power Weapon Guard blobs and things like that to create an aggressive melee Guard force. It worked well be cause of Straken's Furious Charge and Counter-Attack buff.

>>50600462
Unless your special character is called Ghazghkull.

>>50600462
Fateweaver is pretty special.

>>50600272
missile pods. for weapons that don't have skyfire, more shots are generally more desireable.
>>50600281
nooope

>>50600181
>Eternal Warrior

Give him +1 W to go to 4W
He's T5, only going down to S10 (and ID native weapons). Which is there really that much flying around?

>Seriously asking as it's easier for me to get S-D than S10 in my dex.

>>50600322

Plastic sisters are happening. There's no denying that.

>they start removing metal sisters from the store
They've been trickling out the range for a ling time. This isn't a surprise.

If the whole AS category was dropped from the web-store, then you have the right to go into 'eeds habbidig'.

>>50600495
Depends on the army. Guard have no D but a lot of S10 for example.

>>50600233
>full 30-40% cut (I'm looking at you Nobz).
Rather they tweak some of the foundation than slash points
>Free 'eavy Armour for Nobz and Flashgitz
>And a serious discount on special weapons for Nobz

>>50600494
If I add skyfire, do the rifles become the better choice, or would you still recommend the missile pods?

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>>50600379

Nigga you telling me to buy a force world model just so I can glue bits from the Chaos vehicle sprue...

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>>50600495
He needs a fucking invulnerable save that isn't pissing 5+.

>>50600390

Sure, but without the bike.

>>50600386

Yeah. It happened less than a year ago. They came back up after a few weeks. Also the lazy staff straight up removes some models, not just SoB, from foreign country websites instead of changing them to temporarily out of stock.

>>50600571
They're gone from the UK version though.

>>50600556
I think he's telling you that if your opponent is cool with forge world then they'll probably be cool with a loyalist model in a chaos list if you glue some Chaos bitz to it

>>50600568
Give him the option for a Mark of Nurgle too. And a Bike
T8 Warbosses or bust.

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>>50600154
Born on Shit Hive World 11829912.67 Beta
Spend youth praying to the Emperor. The Emperor Protects
Brother gets drafted into the guard, scared for him, but The Emperor Protects
Cults start to form after the draft, we're told we're safe. The Emperor Protects.
Get drafted into the PDF at age 16 to fight growing cults. Don't want to die, but I'm not afraid anymore. The Emperor Protects.
Most of my regiment dies fighting the cults, but I survive, commander makes me a sergeant. The Emperor Protects.
Our regiment gets tithed to the Imperial Guard because of our skill in killing heretics. We're sent to a world where millions have died. Still not scared. The Emperor protects.
The fighting is terrifying. Chaos Space Marine shows up, he pulps the Commissar, I can't rally my men. Close my eyes and charge, bayonet pierces his throat and cuts through his spine. The Emperor Protects.
They make me a Stormtrooper. Send me on an assault mission to kill some heretic commander. Squad starts dying to bolter fire. They miss me. Emperor Protects.
Fight our way to the enemy command center. He's a sorcerer. Squad cut to pieces. I'm the last man. The Emperor Protects.
I charge him, knocking traitors out of my way. Lighting all over my body. I'm dying. The Emperor Protects.
Latch melta bomb onto his armor. Goes off. I'm tossed aside by the blast, the room and my body are in ruins. I can't breath. I'm scared, everything is getting dark. I'm so tired. I'm so cold. Can barely whisper, the Emperor Protects.
Everything is white. I can see a man, his armor is golden, he takes me by the hand and pulls me close.
Everything starts to fade. I can't see the man anymore. I can see my brother. My squad mates. Even my Commissar. I close my eyes. As I become nothing I hear my own voice one last time. "The Emperor Protects."

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>>50600424
What did you expect from a bunch of beta larpers that need to play the female faction because they don't have the slightest drop of testosterone in their bloodstream?

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>>50600601

>>50600590
And US, and International.

>>50600541
remind me of the stats of high-yield missile pods again ?

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>>50600612
silly humies, da korpsez du not listn'

>>50600601
Wake up in the Warp, The Emperor Protects.
Screaming souls and laughing daemons all around me, The Emperor Protects.
Everything is pain and death and suffering, start melting into the Sea of Souls. The Emperor Protects.
Get ripped to pieces and then eaten by a Daemon. The False Emperor Did Not Protect.

>>50600288
Tyranids

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>include shit units in battleforce to sell them
>don't even bother to give it a bonus to make them decent and make people want to buy them
>they drag the whole bundle to useless with their tax cost

Fucking gw

>>50600643
36" range
S 7
AP 4
Heavy 4

Rail Rifles are
60" range
S 8
AP 1
and are twin-linked

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>>50600650
+++Begin Vox Transmission+++
+++Message sent from Lorgar's Fury+++

Have you filthy Xenos ever heard of Khorne? He'd be right up your alley, loves a good scrap and has plenty of good fighters to beat. You've just got to give him some skulls and he'll give you plenty of good "choppas".

Or maybe you prefer someone a little greener, well Nurgle's your man. He's a big as you can imagine and green as can be. He might be a bit smelly, but he's the toughest lad you'll ever meet.

+++End Vox Transmission+++

Reposting from KT gen because that is slooow.
GW Kill Team, my hopefully decent list:

Inquisition Warband (200pts)

Chimera - Dozer Blade, Psybolt, 2 HB (65 pts)

8 Acolytes with Storm Bolters
Crusader (Warlord)
2 Acolytes with Plasma guns and Carapace armour, Specialists, Preferred Enemy and Master-Crafted
Acolyte with Meltagun and Combi-flamer Specialist, undecided

Plan was to have the Special Weapons hide in the Chimera and shoot down specialists and light vehicles, although maybe another plasma would be better than a melta?
Crusader does something similar, although he might run off and try to kill a Specialist or something.

So far I tried it once and butchered a 30 Ork + Many PK list with bolter fire, only 3 casualties, but that doesn't exactly mean much.
What should I give to the last specialist?

>>50600706
Watch a heretic get torn to shreds by the very gods he worshiped. The Emperor Protects.
I'm in the warp, it's terrifying, but only a little worse than the last battlefield. The Emperor Protects.
Turns out the warp is shaped by emotion and belief. The Emperor Protects.
I never lose faith. The Warp can't hurt me. The Emperor Protects.

>>50600779
>Turns out the warp is shaped by emotion and belief. The Emperor Protects.
>I never lose faith. The Warp can't hurt me. The Emperor Protects.
Nice meme.

>>50600540
Oh yeah, some upgrades like 'eavy armour should definitely be cut. It's overcosted on regular boyz too.

I'm of the opinion that a lot of the problems in the game could be fixed if everything was just properly costed. Still, there'd always be things that are more optimal against other setups, but that's what happens when you have a game with hundreds of different units.

>>50600801
You may believe the warp can't hurt you, but everyone else believes it can.

>>50600380
Warbike boss is already fine as it stands and boosting it to T7 would be a bit too much.

>>50600495
He still wouldn't be able to handle a Dreadnought or a smashing MC, who will kill him before his Klaw gets to do anything BECAUSE NO FUCKING INVULNERABLE.
T6 would be nice too but it would make Biker Warbosses a bit too strong.
I know that baseline EW is a lot but they need to be able to eat S10 and not give a fuck while now they just get chomped by any thunderwolf seargent with a fist.

>>50600779
Get on a ship into the warp without a gellar field generator, see what happens, loyalist.

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>>50600755
Isn't the HYMP also twinlinked ?

Any how, mathwise the missile pods are gonna be better in either case, unless you really want to bank on the small chance of getting the destroyed result.
Pic related gives you a general idea. BS3 since you're not very likely to have markerlight support when firing at flyers, and AV 12 since that is probably the average AV of whatever you're firing at.
>1st line is Heavy Rail
>2nd is TL pods
>3rd is non-TL pods.

Sad really, since the rail rifle looks much better.

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>>50600762
>>50600650
++Begin Vox Broadcast++
++Message from The Brass Judgment++

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!!!

++End Vox Broadcast++
++Commencing Boarding Maneuvers++

>>50600801
Belief can shield you from the warp, but it doesn't make you invulnerable.

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Wip black legion marine

Painting up a hounds of abbadon army to use as world eaters

Do you think any spergs will complain that its "not worldeaters"

>>50600832
>>50600878
>You may believe the warp can't hurt you, but everyone else believes it can.
It doesn't matter what anyone believes, the warp is shaped by souls and the primal emotions they manifest. Humans aren't Orks.

Not to bring up skub, but anyone ever think that a part of the reason why girls don't play 40k is that people always try and get them to play SoB and that is an expensive army, with no support, and is hard to collect. Probably should tell them to play space Marines like everyone else.

>>50600888
Girls don't play SoB, they play Nids or Eldar.

>>50600888
Literally never seen anyone try to push SOB on anyone, and it sounds more like your personal experience which isnt great evidence for the general tendencies of the community.
>plus the girls plays nids meme

>>50600850
>>50600762
+++Begin Box Transmission+++
+++Message sent from The Rock+++

Hey gu-I mean- You filthy traitors! Have you seen any of our bro-Uhh no- any abhorrent betrayers like you wearing black armour with long black or white coats?

+++End Vox Transmission+++

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>>50600885
>>50600878
>>50600801
Just gotta believe hard enough. If you get gibbed by daemons then you didn't believe enough, heretic.

>>50600879
>More than three colours
>Well highlighted

Looks like tabletop quality to me. Just needs some basing.

>>50600846
Yes they are twin-linked, I missed that part. Awesome thanks so much for the help. What's the name of that program, looks useful.

I actually really like the look of the missile pods but the rail rifles are just better for non-flyer fire. Do you think a mixed squad could work? Like two rail rifles and one missile pod?

>>50600888
The night I normally go to my store there are two girls, one plays KDK the other is just in it for the hobby side and either doesn't actually play, or just doesn't play in store. So no I don't think SoB have anything to do with it.

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>>50600944
>i-it w-works in my mind!
Only in honest and diligent service to the Dark Gods may our souls find true salvation, heathen.

>>50600888

Yeah, you're right. Spergs chase them away.

>Be playing at flgs with gf because she was curious about 40k
>Just a small game to show her basic shit
>Neckbeards keep hovering past and talking to her about 40k plot and the Silver Skulls I gave her to use
>Didn't know squat about it, except what she's heard from me
>She just smiles and nods while the mouthbreathers ramble on
>Manager was a friend and I didn't want to chase away customers, so I just hoped he'd get the hint to shoo these guys away
>Was too busy dealing with a family to help out
>gf never asks about 40k since

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Why does Krieg (and I assume other regiments) have their own commissar? Aren't commissars raised and trained by the schola progenium? is a death korp commissar the same as any other commissar, just wears the uniform of the regiment they are attached to? Or do specific regiments have their own form on unique commissar?

>>50600834
Bikes giving toughness was stupid to begin with. A gigantic bomb will kill someone on a bike just as well as someone on foot.

Now to paint 60 more

>>50601023
Bikes should just give a cover save.

What's the best way to represent 30k Terror Squads in a 40k NL army? Unfortunately, I think it might be possessed, only instead actual possession, they're crazy murderers.

Would a NL Favored of Chaos be decent? Nurgle/Tzeentch DP to lead the pack, with Stealth and shit to help them out before my Raptors arrive.

>>50600295
>>50600305
>>50600713
yeah it's either Orks or Tyranids for me.
Tyranids look hard to paint though..

>>50601041
Bikes should do nothing to increase toughness

They should give units hammer of wrath and hit and run and make it compulsory to use

They should also be much cheaper

>>50601019

>Aren't commissars raised and trained by the schola progenium?
Yes. But because Krieg are nearly fearless and act so robotic, commissars act as human links between the regiment and a planet governor.

>>50601019
Death Korps commissars do not come from Krieg. In Siege of Vraks, all other infantry units in the Death Korps army have the "Death Korps" rule, but the Commissar-General does not.

The way Death Korps work, it seems like they wouldn't need commissars, but in Dead Men Walking the commissar is basically the regiment's diplomatic officer.

>>50601078
Tyranids are really easy to paint. You can always just paint using nothing but washes.

>>50600725
are there any pics of the other boxes formations around?

I know the deathwatch one was something like auto passiing hit and run if 2 units are in combat with the same thing

>>50601107
>using nothing but washes.
how does that even work

>>50600994
Look at this guy! Look at how little he believes, and now he's a daemon! Heretics BTFO again!

WHY DID FORGEWORLD STOP MAKING DREADCLAWS YOU FUCKING PIECES OF SHIT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>50601124
Hit& run for all units in formation, reroll if 2 or more ar in the same combat.

>>50601127
Washes are just thin layers, so you can build ip very good desaturated schemes if you build on white primer.

>>50599913
Because I am an Heterosexual

>>50600978
http://www.mathhammer40k.com/
I aint saying missile pods look bad, there's just something about the rail rifle i like more.

I don't know if i'd mix them since the pods serves the same role as autocannons in other armies, a generalist weapon to bug general infantry or lighter vehicles, while the rifle is dedicated vehicle hunters.

>>50601019
Just wear the uniform. Comissars attached to Krieg regiments are usually in for a very different line of work - instead of keeping their men in line as usual, they are usually the ones who have to order the Kriegians to fall back and not have unnecessary suicidal last stands.

>>50601041
Jink is exactly that.

>>50601023
They probably just wanted to simplify it, made it a single T value and called it a day. As far as rules simplification goes this is bearable.

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>>50601127

>>50601102
>>50601104

From what Siege of Vraks fluffs out, DKK need Commissars not to keep order, but to make sure they follow tactical orders rather than acting as pure war robots. DKK do not like to give up trench line or abandon their posts even when a tactical retreat is much more prudent than trying to hold a failing line.

They are a direct connection to the Imperium's approved doctrines and links to the command structure of the greater warzone itself. If, say, another regiment or a squad of space marines needs the DKK to clear out so they can do their thing, the Commissars make sure the DKK follows those orders even when it's against their combat doctrines.

>>50601175
Is it every stated that commissars wear the uniforms of the regiments they're attached to or is the best we can do is assume, due to the krieg commissars wearing the krieg uniform?

>>50601197
It's due to krieg being a post-nuclear hell, so commissars use the protective uniforms and masks or rot away.

New guy trying to settle on a traitor legion, picking between Death Guard, Emperor's Children and Black Legion. Did either of them come out better or worse than the others with the new supplement/codex, or are they somewhat on the same level?

>>50601219
That's a hard one, though DG and EC are probably a tiny bit better off after this update than BL.

>>50601219
Strength is coincidentally in the order you posted of best to worst. However EC are a personal favorite.

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Man DoW 3 looks like utter trash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OvfwYUA9os
The thing about it that probably irks me the most is how the devs translated the Eldar "Battle Focus" into god damn regenerating shields ripped off straight from the Protoss of Starcraft.

Fucking lazy, unimaginative gits.

>>50601219
All of them came out pretty solid, and in about that order in terms of best, second best, and third best.

Death Guard will also have the easiest playstyle to utilize, but I think Emps Children will be the most fun.

>>50601197
>Is it every stated that commissars wear the uniforms of the regiments they're attached to
sometimes

The black coat and cap are the only set parts of their uniform. If need be they can modify the rest to blend in with the troops under their guidance.

I believe that started with gaunt's ghosts? Abnett plays fast and loose with the setting, but I'm sure it's been mentioned in codexes proper at least once.

>>50601064
The formation with cypher. You get chosen with ATSHNF, NV, Fear, stealth and infiltrate

Fuck you guys, I like the Word Bearers.

>>50601219
Death guard best

World eaters and emperors children good

Then Iron warriors (depending on your meta)

Alpha legion
Black legion
Night lords
Word bearers
Thousand sons (shit thanks for nothing gw)

Fuck you guys I like the alpha legion.

>>50601258
it sounds like a perfectly good way to represent battle focus.

>>50601290
Can't actually do that, since Cypher is a Special Character and thus can't be included with Night Lords.

You could try using a Forgeworld Purge detachment maybe?

>>50601297
Congratulations.

>>50600879

Yes, there is always one.

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How to fix Ogryns?

>cost reduction?
>access to improved AP?/Rending?
>better armor?

>>50601318
Yes, the ability to accurately shoot while running fast is represented perfectly by regenerating shields.

What the fuck is wrong with you.

>>50601334
Convert them into obliterators

>>50601242
>>50601245
>>50601277
>>50601309
Thank you all, that's very helpful! Narrowed it down to either DG or EC.

>>50601258
>Eldar ripping off the Protoss

guys, do we tell him ?

>>50601334
Cost reduction. That's it.

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>>50601318
What part about being fast and combat trained enough to move swiftly and still fire accurately at your foes, translates to regenerating personal combat shields?

>>50601363
Fearless is where its at

Don't play black legion unless you want deep strike shenanigans

>>50601334
Slabshield Bullgryns are usable.

>>50601297
Me too, Anon. So do about 10-15 other anons that replied to a poll earlier.

>>50601219

>Death Guard
Super powerful now. Most of their stuff got Feel no pain rerolling dice rolls of 1, making it tougher along with the +1 toughness it already had.
Models with heavy guns can now move, shoot AND get into close combat.
All for the cost of swinging a bit later in close combat.

I believe Black Legion got a relic to grant Eternal warrior. Pity it can't be used with Marks or Daemonheart.

Didn't see Emperor's children leaked yet.

>>50601380
>>50601356
because that literally is just part of it. they also run faster and shoot more accurately on the move.

>>50601366
>Thematic steal
It's still a game design steal, and isn't a good rep of the rule.

>>50600878
It's shielding Draigo right good

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>>50601366
M8, I was talking about gameplay mechanics.
DoW 1 and 2 didn't have every single Eldar donning a personal shield.

Besides, ultimately, the Protoss are and Eldar weren't even that much alike in SC1.
SC2 on the other hand, is a different story.

>tfw I'd actually pay top dollar for Citadel quality Starcraft 1 miniatures.

>>50601258
Eldar battle focus

It should be represented by eldar being able to shoot freely on the move and have them be really vulnerable when not in good spirits

>>50601334
higher rate of fire on their guns
make them bulky again, rather than very bulky
MAYBE fnp, but that'd be pushing it

That's it. Being able to stick five and a character in a chimera wasn't bad.

>>50601383
Correct, but I'm asking about Ogryns. With the Ripper guns and the lack of carapace armor.

>>50601383
No they arent. They are horribly overcosted for their job. Stop spamming this meme.

>>50601334
Proxy them as Custodes.

>>50601334
>slight point reduction and an extra wound
should make them into the tough melee beatstick, but will still make them scared of highstr/medium AP like they should.

>>50601363
I'd say EC since DG which mostly just makes you tougher, but doesnt add any fun choices imho. Meanwhile EC boosts your offense, lets you hunt cover campers, combat drugs throws a fun random mechanic to play around, and hitting marines is always kek-worthy. Just more option as to what you can do with it.

Of course it comes down to personal taste.

>>50601334

Improve armour Sv, leadership and Initiative. They get shot up by Bolters too easily, forcing you to use Slabshield Bullgryns with a Ministorum priest.
If they lose an assault by just 1 wound, they'll get murdered like puppies.

>>50601319
Crap you're right, NL are fluffy but awful just like the 30k version. I'm going to stick to DG

>>50600288

A Non-human army? Space Wolves.

>>50601426
>Over costed for their job
>How do you know that? What other unit is mobile 4+ cover?

What's the best way to use infiltrating chosen?

>>50601258
>Muh GW steal Blizzo0rd!!1

kys already. i know its summer in australia but dont push it.

>>50601391
But where doe the shields come in?
Why the fuck do they have personal shields?
I mean, units like Dire Avengers could get a personal Shield as an upgrade via their Exarch, sure, because that unit actually has a Shimmer Shield in the TT, but EVERY SINGLE Eldar unit having a personal shield is fucking retarded bullshit.

>>50601420
Agreed.
That would be far better representation of Battle Focus. They should be able to run and shoot at the same time, making them super fucking mobile.

>>50601472
>Yeah i mean they are so perfectly a viable option that no tournament list in the past 5 years included them.

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Does anyone know if Forgeworld has made any official ruling on whether or not Raptors chapter tactics can be taken with the Talon Strike Force?

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>Thousand Sons are shit
I just wanted my favourite chapter to be cool, man.
At least this way, less people will be playing them, so I get to be a special snowflake.

WHERE IS THE SCAN OF TRAITOR LEGIONS???

THE BOOK HAS BEEN OUT

>>50601420
>>50601504
I don't know what the other guys are talking about, but that is how battle focus is represented in Dow 3. Shielding has nothing to do with the battle focus . You can tell when they have battle focus when their troops move faster and have a trail behind them, like at the start of the video. I think it works when near webways?

The shields are there so that they could represent fragile eldar using powerful shields to protect themselves, since in the lore eldar are about as tough as space marines, most of the time.

>>50601258
>GW being "unimaginative gits" but i really need to suck Blizzard cock for making the so amazingly original and imaginative Protoss.

go back to /v/

>>50601509
There's viable for normal play, and then there's viable when playing against cheeselords, which case about 90% of units are unviable garbage.

>>50601334
Make Ripper Guns S4 AP - Rending Templates.
Give them innate Feel No Pain
Allow Bone'Eads to take proper wargear.
Or make them S4 but give them Smash.

>>50601487
The fuck are you talking about?

It isn't about GW stealing from anyone.
It's about Relic being lazy, unimaginative gits and adding regenerative shields to Eldar and calling that "battle focus" for some absurd fucking reason. It smells of poor game design, where they added the shields in order to encourage hit and run gameplay as a simple and easy solution, instead of thinking of a more appropriate mechanic.

Eldar don't make high use of personal shields in the lore or the TT. They have maybe a couple of units with access to shields, but for some reason, Relic gives such shields to every fucking Eldar unit.

>>50601366
Nah... it's funnier this way.

>>50601523
Noone scans anymore, we just use Epubs and there's no advance copy of that.

>>50601540
>You can tell when they have battle focus when their troops move faster and have a trail behind them, like at the start of the video. I think it works when near webways?

No, that's Fleet of Foot.
The DoW 3 page about the Eldar says that Battle Focus are the shields.

>>50601546
Read>>50601570

>>50601550
them being viable while unpainted on your shelf doesn't make them "viable"

>>50601509
>using tournament lists to judge unit viability in thee power creep clusterfuck that is 40k
Uh, no. As long as the meta is full of garbage like decision Necrons and riptides, tourneys are not a good place to judge whether a unit is viable. If it worked in a tourney it's not 'good', it's 'broken'.

>>50601598
Decurion*. Fucking autocorrect.

>>50601590
The vast majority of games are not played at tournaments.

>>50601470
nice meme :^)
but aside that, what would you recommend

>>50601550
>He thinks tournaments ONLY have cheeselords.
What defines a tournament is the mid-tables. Cheese-lists will end up in their Top Tables Ghetto in the first 1 or two games (mostly depending if it's a 3 or 5 rounds tournament) while "normal" lists (or bad netlisters) will hang around the rest of the ladder having fun.
And even in those tables no one would dare to get Slabshield bullgrins when an Aegis Defence Line and some Camo Nets do their job better, cheaper and won't be removed by a single pieplate.
Are they cool? Yes they are. Are they viable? Hell no.

>>50601514
You can't. Talon Strike Force requires Raven Guard tactics. Just like you can't use Black Templars with the Imperial Fist one because they aren't using Imperial Fist chapter tactics.

>>50601651
>What defines a tournament is the mid-tables
It just sucks when 9/30 armies is the same eldar list.

>>50601522
I been waiting for TS to be released in 30k for so long I almost got rused into buying some off of the hype. So glad I waited because its such a disappointing release.

I've been trying to put together a list that involves Ahriman and his new formation but it cost so much and still relies on the most rng aspect of the game to work that its just not worth it.

>>50601590
>unpainted
Holy shit, have you no grasp of the modeling aspect of this game?

>>50601169
Thanks! Yeah makes a lot of sense, I just like both weapon systems and I think they both look awesome so I'm trying to figure out a way to include both of them without expending another heavy support slot.

General question to all is a Hammerhead, a dedicated tank-hunter crisis team, and some broadsides enough to anti-armor or do I need more/less? Just a general question not sure if my meta is super armor heavy just starting to get into the hobby.

>>50601430
Dg gives you move and fire havoks

>>50601588
More precisely, it is this piece of text that I am referring of.

>The Webway: The Eldar build Webway portals on the battlefield, which (with sufficient tech) allow them to relocate their armies. These portals also project a large aura that grants Fleet of Foot (a speed boost) to all Eldar units and increases the regeneration rate on their Battle Focus (a health shield).

Can't find it on the main DoW 3 page, anymore, but it is stated on this article about the game:
http://www.dualshockers.com/2016/09/23/warhammer-40000-dawn-of-war-iiis-eldar-revealed-with-first-screenshots-and-gameplay-video/

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>>50601570
I hope you picked your tickets for the next Blizzcon :^)

So - i just bought the deathwatch battleforce, looked like a fun army... but i forgot the fucking painting guide that i had planned to get, has it been ripped yet? I checked 40klibrary.ru and couldnt find it. Figured id check it out. Anyone know?

>>50601651
>What defines a tournament is the mid-tables.
You mean the tables where you don't win anything? What's the difference from casual play, then?

Get your head out of your ass. If you get into a tourney, you're playing to win. And if you're playing to win, you have to bring cheese.

We're not talking about that. We're talking about making Ogryns not Rough-Rider-tier garbage.

>>50601679
You have no grasp of reading comprehension.

>>50601019
krieg commissars are external as always, they are there to convince the krieg commanders to do not waste men in pointless assaults

>>50601675
Could be worse.
You could be a S3 I2 melee race.

>>50601064
Why not just run 30k night lords? It's compatible with 40k.

>>50601762
Has it changed at all since yesterday?

>>50601472
So you rather have 2 units in 4+ cover
or
3 units in 5+ cover? Its piss-easy to coversaves in this edition, no point paying 200pts for stealth.

>>50601719
Why the fuck are you implying that I am some sort of Blizzard fan?
The only game of theirs I like is Starcraft 1.

Besides, if you think that the reasons I am angry about DoW 3 Eldar having shields is because "they stole dat from da Protoss!" you clearly utterly missunderstood my grievances.

My issue with the retarded shields is because first off, Battle Focus on the TT, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HAVING A FUCKING PERSONAL SHIELD.
Secondly, because I feel like slapping on regenerating shields on the Eldar is just a lazy fucking solution to encourage hit and run tactics.

If Battle Focus was implemented like this anon suggested>>50601420, you'd still have hit and run attacks, and also be more appropriate for the faction.

>>50601670
I'm sorry for you if your "local" playerbase is that fucked up. In my area we have monthly tournaments with 20+ people and of those usually only 2-3 are "cheesemonger" lists and they only come out of their nests if there's a cash prize.

>>50601775
this. ive never seen someone rufusing a 30k vs 40k game unless its unpainted half assembled lazy shit

>>50601766
I dont know man we just got a huge release and it's terrible. How long until the next one now? When this sells like shit will TS even get another shot in the spotlight? I mean yeah you guys have been fucked over for so long it hard to compare, but fuck man its just so disappointing.

>>50601522
>>50601675

i waited years aswell and honestly. i am not so disappointed as most of the guys.

there is only one thing that annoys me and that is the rerolling saves of 1 rule only to be accessible if you max out the units.
but if they do carry that over to other armys i am perfectly fine with it.

>>50601777
Why would it, its perfect.

>>50601878
Great, no reason to post it then, if you hurry you have 3 minutes to delete it.

>>50601820
My two armies have historically been Dark Eldar and Orks.

Kill me.

>>50601740
Check the links in the WIP thread

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>DEEN of Imagination

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>>50601792
you are right! the other faggot OBVIOUSLY doesnt know what is a true masterpiece of video game with very imaginative settings and game design like we do with Mag.. Hearthstone or Warham.. Warcraft !

>>50601904
Well DE are probably a little better now that you can run jinking Raider gunboats.

>>50601919
Whatever nigger, if you just want to shitpost and not actually discuss the subject I was talking about, go ahead, I won't stop you.

Are there any kits with an outstretched or open power armoured left hand? I need one for a sorceror conversion.

>>50601910
All that work on a shitty freehand when they could have just printed out a decal.

>>50601902
But then I won't get silly anons recommending I add a single group of Manz in a trukk.

>>50601749
A lot of people like tournaments just for the "event" and social part of it. This is true for both "It's just 30 minutes from where I live, might as well" to "I'll have to book an Hotel for two nights" type of tournaments.
But still they'll try to bring lists that make some sense. They'll go more for the Cool than for the Math but people don't like to make a list that just doesn't work even if they aren't going "all out, bandana-and-knife-in-mouth".
Obviously you'll find people with a Dread Mob-tier list but it'll usually be the most beautifully assembled and painted army you saw in the entire year and you can bet your ass they'll get much more satisfaction by showing it to a convention room full of other nerds than any "game" victory can.

They'll most likely get crushed in the first games if they end up against a CheeseMaster but unless they're aganist an actual Asshole (which are rare in organized play and tend to just stick to LGS) they'll still have a blast.

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>>50601928
Well, surely I can beat orks at least!

>>50601847
What list are you going to run then mate? Genuinely curious.

Re-rolling perils and an extra spell sounds good until you realise we have terrible ways of generating WC and if we build for that we dont have enough guys on the board. This also effects our VOTLV bonus needing to be a buff instead of harnessing a warp charge. Are you going to waste 3 warp charges on every Rubric squad you bring just to cast force? No probably not so now your adding another sorc to an already costly unit just to get the bonus. Which by the way the only reliable buff is the divination primaris that is the same but better bonus then war cabal formation bonus.

>>50601904
Dark Eldar looks like terrible fun though I'm going to give them a go after christmas.

>>50601939
Burning of Prospero Ahriman
The new Rubric Marines Sorceror

>>50601976
unless they bring loads of mek guns.

>>50601019
DKoK Commissars are always from other placed, they are just issued similar wargear and look the same because of it.

There was a picture of Commissars from different regiments in the Only War books, and all Commissars wear the same getup but with slight alterations so that they fit in with the rest of the unit as much as they stand out. Things like Commissars based with Valhallans will have thicker coats and fur lined caps, while those based with Tallarn have thinner coats so as to help with the heat.

>>50602022
>terrible fun
Exactly.

>>50601792
youve never played any STR above casual level or dont understand game design 101 if you think having a whole faction shooting while moving in a game were nobody does that is better than regenerative shield.
i see no reason why a medium to high APM player will play anything else.

>>50601700
Same anon as before.
If unsure on how armor heavy your meta is, hammer head and some broadsides should do fine, you can then have a team of plasma/missile crisis suits that can pull double duty.

>>50602022
you are going to put £400 and a few month of painting for you opponent to have fun. thats for sure.

Im making a list for my Black legion which includes the hounds of abbadon and a raptor talon. warlord will join a squad of warp talons and will have the burning brand of skalanthrax. 1st turn drop in and toast a unit with the brand and charge the unit if it is not already dead. what do you guys think?

>>50602089
My little group is a necrons guy with no transports and an orks or eldar guy depending on what he feels like playing, it'll be fine i think.

>>50602054
They'll also put female Commissars with all female units and such.

>>50601319
you can do that. cypher's formation is a formation. it'd be a separate detachment from your nightlords detachments.

>>50602134
oh wait fuck i read it wrong. you wanted cypher's formation with the nightlord rules. yeah that doesn't work.

>>50602038
My bad, glossed over that you need a left hand specifically. The Rubric Marines Sorcerer has one.

>>50602076
>youve never played any STR above casual level or dont understand game design 101 if you think having a whole faction shooting while moving in a game were nobody does that is better than regenerative shield.
>waah, having actually lore appropriate mechanics would be too hard to ballance, lets just slap in some stock regenerative shields like the hacks we are!!

Even more of a reason to never touch DoW 3.
There is zero reason why Battle Focus couldn't be handled via giving the Eldar the ability to fire on the move. You could make them more frail, and grant crowd control abilities to the factions to limit such mobility etc.

Hell, you could have even have battle focus represented so that other armies always need a small set up period for their dudes before they can shoot, whereas the Eldar would have needed none or something like that.
But no, the devs couldn't figure out how to actually ad in Battle Focus anything even close to the way it works in the TT, and instead they just slapped on some shields and called it a day, like the incompetent gits they are.

And DOW now enters my filter. Feels good man.

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Facing three Marine armies at the same point value. Unlikely to be a ton of vehicles, but definitely some named ICs as HQs (Kharn among them).

How will this do?

>>50601258
Is IG confirmed as a faction for DOW3 yet?

>>50602259
Only Muhreens, Orks and Eldar.
Some secret fourth faction might also be in too, but who knows.

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>>50602267
Orks get a new game before they get new models or rules

>>50602172
further proves my point.

game will do fine without you. now go back to the SC 2 bronze ladder

>>50602253
Well, you'll certainly kill any HQs before they can get into melee with that much AP2

>>50602299
>game will do fine without you
Wow, what a perfect way to deflect criticism of literally anything.

>>50602299
Not an argument.

Actually explain why having a faction be more mobile and have the ability to shoot while on the move is something that cannot be balanced.

Are Armoured Sentinels good units?

>>50602349
As usable as most IG shit.

>>50601258
Hey look, bait

>>50602349
Take more tanks then just them, then yes.

>>50602325
Kinda figured. I know what one of them runs (Raven Guard scouts and marines, backed up by a single dread and some rhinos), the others are iffy (Blood Angels and a Khorne CSM army). AP2's the name of the game.

>>50602349
Not really

>>50601762
Thought experiment: How would you optimally crush this as Tau? Few squads of Firewarriors, HYMP Broadsides and a couple of Riptides with Heavy Burst Cannons?

>>50602367
>opinions I disagree with are bait!!!

>>50602393
Add in the obligatory Optimized Stealth Cadre to fuck up their back line, and yeah. You could probably beat this with Tau at a 400-point disadvantage.

>>50602299
That's the same attitude that the Battleborn developers had, then no-one played it because it was shit and attacked anyone who said it needed changes.

>>50602349
Like basically all IG units they're pretty okay. If you're running mech guard they're somewhat useful as a more survivable heavy weapons team without firing snapshots. Gunline is better off spending the points on heavy weapons teams or melta vets.

>>50602393
Riptidewing, 9 riptides with HBCs. Drone network, all marker drones.

>>50602434
I'm gonna laugh so hard if DoW 3 ends up like Battle Born.

>>50601290
>>50601464
>>50601319
>>50602134


While the cypher formation fits perfectly, you missed the point that I want to fit them into the Murder Talon, which is the problem. I'm actually being hindered with Raptors being core because I can't take a Warband + Talon.

>>50602393
A dozen or so Punishers.

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>>50601258
>>50601318
>>50601356
>>50601380
>>50601366
>>50601391
>>50601487
>>50601540
>>50601546
>>50601570
>>50601588
>>50601716
>>50601719
>>50601792
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>>50601932
>>50602076
>>50602172
>>50602189
>>50602259
>>50602267
>>50602299
>>50602334
>>50602367
>>50602406
>>50602434

Go back to your containment thread please >>50595112

Whats above a regiment in imperial guard hierarchy? Does it go straight from regiment (such as the Tanith 1st or the Valhallan 597th) to the Departmento Munitorum? Or is there something in between the two.

I ask because a friend and I were trying to figure out what the Death Korp of Krieg, Cadian Shock Troop, Valhallan Ice Warriors, Vostryan First Born,etc. would be called from an organisational stand-point. We thought they were regiments, but they cant be because examples of an imperial guard regiment are the Valhallan 597th, Valhallan 301st and Valhallan 296th. So are the Valhallan Ice Warriors as a whole called something different, are they ALSO a regiment (made up of regiments?), or what? A division?

>>50602526
Yeah, I apologize for bringing the topic up here.
I didn't expect it to blow up like this.

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Do you think they make a plastic sister squad and thats it? Or do you think they make a new engine, a new immolator etc etc

Anyone wanna play on tabletop simulator?

>>50602640

I believe everything currently on the web store will get a plastic kit of some sort. Vanilla bolter sisters and Immolators included, of course.

>>50602640
>skeleton boobs
>high heels
Holy shit it's beautiful

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>>50602640
how about not posting the fucked up version

Greetings, /tg/


I'm new to 40k and chose Eldar as my army since friends I'm going to be playing with already play Ultrasmurfs, Necrons, Chaos, Tau, and Orks. I just chose them on a whim and didn't know they are OP. That said, what should I avoid while playing them to not piss of friends?

Inb4 "play a different army," I've already dropped money on models

>>50602757
Whaddya got so far?

Is the council of Nikaea the single dumbest event in the Fluff?

>>50602786
You didn't read master of mankind yet did you?

>>50602786
The Council in old fluff was fine, where it was pnly sorcery that was banned.

Hilariously enough, even if that was still canon, the wolves would still be hypocrites, as if Morkai is real, then they truly are sorcerers themselves.

>>50601334
Point cost reduction is all. For what they can do I'd say 25 for ogryn and 30 for bullgryn.

>>50602769
Start collecting box, unit of Dire avengers, and my Codex. Stand-ins are allowed so while I'm strapped for cash, I'll use paper units. Thinking a couple boxes of guardians might be useful or a Wave Serpent.

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As an imperial fist, I'm gonna take a second here and emphasize how crazy fucking jealous I am of you silver striped bitches with your infinite auxiliary fortifications in your detatchment.
>> 2/6 warlord traits involve fortifications
>>like half the tactical objectives involve fortifications
>>no fortifications in detatchment
Sure puts me in the mood to knock dorn some heretical houses, I tell you what.

>>50600356
>chaos
>ever getting glorious levithan dreadnoughts
N E V E R
E V E R
seriously though, it's never happening. Even during the HH traitors had few levithans, as it was a terran design. 10k years after there would be so few traitor levithans left, if there are any, that it wouldn't make sense to give them rules. It's like Grav or Cents. loyalty is its own reward faget

>>50602797
I still feel the Emperors feeling about his sons are reflective of the people who heard him. As for Abaddons sword I'd love it if Ra somehow effects it and this will come into effect later. So I'm gonna wait to call MoM as it felt like the start of a story line not the end.

>>50602806
>where it was pnly sorcery that was banned.
Yep. I'm rereading ATS and the whole thing is a joke. Malcador who knows how bigoted Mortarion is just takes his bullshit speech on its word. Like fuck me why? All the chaos shit with Russ is just terrible as well. Magnus comes across totally reasonable and it obvious that he wont follow the edict but noone gives a shit. Chaplains get sent out after this to force compliance but none go to the TS? Why? Isnt that the whole point?

Would the AoS Bloodbound Khorgorath work as a Khorne Daemon Prince?

>>50602846

First thing: I know you probably aren't gonna get one yet, but don't get a Wraithknight. They're peak cheese.

Really, just pick the stuff you like. The Eldar cheese builds are stuff you have to specifically build toward.

>>50602911
No. The Khorgorath is too ugly. The FW one is fine though, but it's too large.

>>50602945
I figured the Wraithknight was cheese, and I'm only really considering bringing it when my other friend brings a Transcendent Shard of the Nightbringer. Apparently, everyone is okay with me shoving Necron's shit in. I'm personally going by Rule of Cool, and Wraithknight certainly fits in with that, but I will reserve that for Crons

What about Jain Za as my HQ in a unit of Howling Banshees? Too cheesy as well?

>>50602995

Jain Zar and Banshees are fine. Yeah, they wreck shit in melee, but they're also wet-tissue-paper fragile. If the opponent is shit enough to let them make it to a charge, it's their own damn fault when they get cut to ribbons.

>>50602995
Just so you're aware, c'tan shards aren't very strong compared to the rest of the cron codex.

Are emperors children good now? Especially with the kakophoni?

Is taking the veterans+hellhound formation good?

I was thinking of doing Plasma and melta veterans

>>50603065
Really good

Question
Who attack first when both sides have same initiative. For example Loyal SM will charge CSM unit. Both I4. Who will attack first?

>>50603086
The attacks are resolved at the same time.

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>>50599913
because I do own one and am waiting to finish finals before getting to work on it

on a side note whats a good way to do paint chipping when your base color is a metallic?
If I should even try a paint chipping effect at all

>>50602846
What Eldar units do you like the look of? Certain Aspect Warriors? Wraith units? Vehicles?

For the former, Striking Scorpions are a tough(er) melee unit that don't need a transport since they have Infiltrate. Fire Dragons in a Falcon are an anti-tank staple and Dark Reapers are a classic anti-Marine shooty unit.

For Wraith, try to avoid the Wraithknights and Wraithguard with D-Scythes. Both units are very undercosted for how powerful they are. Try a Wraithlord out, they're overlooked but still pretty good.

For the latter, go wild. Mechanised Guardians/Dire Avengers will probably be your mainstay. War Walkers are a good pick, especially if you like the AT-ST aesthetic and Fire Prisms are very versatile. You can also spring for a Forgeworld vehicle at some point for a nice centrepiece if you decide to go that route.

>>50601961
Alright, fine. Back on topic.

Ogryns. Make 'em work.

>>50603085
Elaborate

>>50603176

Say "please".

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1850 list with Primary Detachment World Eaters Legion with allied Deamons. Will be proxing the bikes with sweet Skull Crushers of Khorne. Any thought suggestions?

>>50603176
Their kakaphoni formation gives noise marines plus one strength and shred to their noise weapons when they are at max units for that formation

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>>50603036
>>50603026
Neat, thanks for the advice

>>50603131
Fire Dragons look badass, and supposedly, Dire Avengers can get shit done. I've only played the army once before in a small game with Guardians and Rangers. Wraithguards look radical and if I need to avoid D-Scythes, that's not a problem. I think I should get a better feel for them before I go making any more purchases, but I will certainly take your advice to heart.

>>50603111
Not him, but how does that work?

>>50599913
I can't run one because Grey Knights aren't loved enough by GW...

>>50603130
>Find surface for chipping
>take dark brown paint
>draw a fine, straight line
>Take edge highlight color like Stormhost Sivler or Runefang Steel
>Draw line directly UNDER the brown line
>???
>Profit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onspoa5N6Zw

>>50603203
Please sir

>>50603256
You each go through all the attacks and wounds and then remove the appropriate models.

>>50603219
I like it. Any chance you can hook the champions up with power weapons? Might even be worth throwing a flamer in.

Also I want to hear how the sigil plays in a juggerlord with bikes. Seems like turn 1 charge is possible.

>>50603238

Fire Dragons, you just point them in the direction of vehicles/monsters you want dead, then give your opponent the smuggest smile you can muster.

Dire Avengers are decent troops. Good at drowning dudes in shots, just be aware that their shuriken catapults have a shorter range than most other standard guns.

Wraithguards with wraithcannons are another "fuck that shit in particular unit". Plus significantly tougher than the rest of your army.

>>50603219
Uh, but why pink horrors though? I thought you could only hang with blood bleeders.

>>50602640
Probably a similar size release to GSC. A couple dual build kits, a few characters, and a vehicle kit or two, at least one of which is probably just a rhino conversion sprue. I don't think they'd bother with SoB at all for just a single kit.

>>50602878
for some chaos SM the Heresy happened like 10 minutes ago they literally just flew Terra. I dont see why we couldn't have them.

>>50603318
Because Horrors are fucking broken and I doubt he gives a fuck.

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>>50603297
>Wraithguards with wraithcannons are another "fuck that shit in particular unit". Plus significantly tougher than the rest of your army.


Oh my, that sounds like fun

But yeah, sounds like a good mix of Guardians and Avengers with Shuriken Catapults /Weapons platforms is not a bad idea.

>>50603165
4+save, points cut.

>>50600181
>power choppas
Why? We still strike last whenever it matters. Just pay the extra 10 for a klaw. GW won't price them based on who is using it, they never do.

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>>50603238
Dire Avengers can definitely do some damage. If you like the look of them, it's certainly viable to take them over Guardians. They work especially well with a transport.

Also, I forgot my pic.

>>50602731
I wish.

How are solo Skitarii? I wish to bring forth the word of the omnissiah but hate the look of basically every Cult Mechanicus model that currently exists.

>>50603376
People will hate your guts if you spam Wraiths though.

>>50603290
Don't know much about the sigil being effective I have most of this models and was gonna order more to make a list so I'll take it out if it isn't necessary. I can prolly make room for power weapons by making the pinks blues or nurglings

>>50599806
Do you guys clean up all the mold lines on your models?

>>50603318
If it's allied detachment can put non khorne right? I won't pretend to be know 100% tho, using pinks cause I already have the models and figure they would make objective humpers

So I've decided to get into 40k with a Tzeentch Daemon army (eventually might get a small contingent of Thousand Sons models since they look amazing even if they're expensive, plus Magnus is a centrepiece I really want). Anyways, how exactly should I go about building it? Obviously pink horrors are going to be my bread and butter and I think I'll want to pick up screamers for mobility but what about chariots, flamers etc? Are they worth taking? How many Daemon Princes/ Greater Daemons should I be looking at? Also, if I decide to branch into more daemons which god goes well with Tzeentch?

>>50603490
I try to clean them all up, but I sometimes leave ones I KNOW won't see the light of day due to glue/position.

>>50603511

How to play Tzeentch:

>Step 1
Dump all your friends and any concept of friendly games

>step 2
Pick some models

>step 3
????

>Step 4
Congrats! You're playing tzeentch daemons!

>>50603562
Well during 15 years you were basically the shitty end of the stick, so i guess it's alright

>>50603066

It's more or less what every IG player runs in a CAD nowadays, bar the Hellhound. You get PE for clearing objectives.
So yes, if you already play mechanised IG.

>>50603562
I'm guessing by /tg/ standards I should just be playing shit armies like Orks, then?

On DE Reavers, do you guys give the guy with the Blaster/Heat Lance the Cluster Caltrops, or give it to one of the guys with the splinter rifles?

>>50603515
This. You have to be a special breed of crazy if you clean the entire model when working on a horde army.

I actually used to do it and I've probably got some sort of lung problem at this point.

How's this for a semi-competitive non cheeseball tau list?

+++ 23 (Warhammer 40,000 7th Edition v2004) (1498pts) +++

++ Combined Arms Detachment (Tau Empire: Codex (2015) v2001) (1141pts) ++

+ HQ (110pts) +

Cadre Fireblade (60pts)

Ethereal (50pts)

+ Elites (569pts) +

XV104 Riptide Battlesuits (275pts) [2x MV84 Shielded Missile Drone]
Riptide Shas'vre [Early Warning Override, Ion Accelerator, Stimulant Injector, Twin-linked Smart Missile System]

XV25 Stealth Battlesuits (124pts) [2x MV1 Gun Drone, Stealth Shas'ui with Burst Cannon, Stealth Shas'ui with Burst Cannon]
Stealth Shas'vre [Burst Cannon]

XV95 Ghostkeel Battlesuits (170pts)
Ghostkeel Shas'vre [Cyclic Ion Raker, Early Warning Override, Stimulant Injector, Twin-linked Flamer]

+ Troops (90pts) +

Strike Team (45pts) [5x Fire Warrior with Pulse Rifle]

Strike Team (45pts) [5x Fire Warrior with Pulse Rifle]

+ Fast Attack (307pts) +

Pathfinder Team (214pts) [2x MV1 Gun Drone, MV31 Pulse Accelerator Drone, 2x Pathfinder]
Pathfinder Shas'ui [Pulse Carbine with Markerlight]
2x Pathfinder with Rail Rifle [2x Rail Rifle]
TY7 Devilfish [2x MV1 Gun Drone]

Pathfinder Team (93pts) [MB3 Recon Drone, 4x Pathfinder]
Pathfinder Shas'ui [Pulse Carbine with Markerlight]

+ Heavy Support (65pts) +

XV88 Broadside Battlesuits (65pts)
Broadside [Twin-linked High-Yield Missile Pod, Twin-linked Smart Missile System]

++ Allied Detachment (Tau Empire: Codex (2015) v2001) (357pts) ++

+ Uncategorised +

Farsight Enclaves

+ HQ (145pts) +

Commander (145pts)
XV8 Commander Crisis Suit [Command and Control Node, Multi-spectrum Sensor Suite, XV8-02 Crisis 'Iridium' Battlesuit]

+ Troops (212pts) +

XV8 Crisis Battlesuits (212pts) [Bonding Knife Ritual]
Crisis Shas'ui [Missile Pod, Plasma Rifle]
Crisis Shas'ui [Missile Pod, Plasma Rifle]
Crisis Shas'ui [Missile Pod, Plasma Rifle]
Crisis Shas'ui [Missile Pod, Plasma Rifle]

>>50603589
If you want a melee race, sure

>>50603617
>>50603515
I never knew that was a thing when I first build all my stuff. I started painting all this primed stuff I had from years ago and just started to notice. I'll try to clean them up in the future, but I have so many Guardsmen, I'm definitely not going back over 60 already built and already painted ones.

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>>50603620
>tau
>2 units of 5 fire warriors

really

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I have a friend who wants to start a necron army, he is just starting and was wondering what everyone would recommend?

>>50603409
Awesome

>>50603444
I imagined as much. Like I said, I don't want to make my friends hate me, so I will avoid spamming Wraiths, D Weapons, and overly amazing units.

I'm still gonna stick mostly to RoC but with some limitations.

>>50603738
the ''start collecting'' box set

>>50603738
The Start collecting Box. It's a really good start point, maybe even 2. Then branch into some Tomb Blades. Aiming for the Base Decurion is a good start point.

Whoops left my /vp/ trip on.

>>50603620
Drop the Ethereal and add a 3rd Fire Warrior Squad and you can run a Hunter Cadre instead of a CAD. Yeah, we get shit for playing Tau, but even in a semi-competitive environment, the object is to win using the tools you have, not make sure you're gimping yourself enough to not trigger the opponent. That right there is a very fair list because you're using the tools in your codex but not abusing them. I personally would drop the special weapons from Pathfinders as they cost more than the models themselves and Pathfinders are paper thin. You could use those saved points to give the Crisis suits and Broadside some upgrades and the Stealth suits a Fusion Blaster. Speaking of the Crisis suits, usually you should stick to 2 of the same weapons. But they're your suits. You do you.

>>50603589
No you don't understand. Horrors aren't just "this is rather undercosted" like most things people complain about. Their rules are degenerate to the point of actively preventing fun and making it hard to play the game. They're incredibly durable and heavily punish you via split for trying to fight them (i.e. play the game) in any way at all with anything at all. Nor can you just ignore them because they're both obsec troops and psykers. Unless your playgroup is on the absolute WAACiest end of the spectrum a Tzeentch Daemon army is a quick path to no one to play with.

>>50603582

Tzeentch daemons have been more than playable since 5th when you had an army of 4++ and each horror had 3 4/4 shots plus a S8 Ap1 shot with null deployment

>>50603589

>Tzeentch Daemons are actually broken
>WOW GUESS THAT MEANS I HAVE TO AT ORKS RIGHT???????

I've been playing Tzeentch daemons for awhile now, and I had to stop. They're just too strong. Hell, the newest 1850 list has 45 fucking power dice that rerolls psychic tests and 3 FMC. Even without summoning, there's so much shit they can do.

Go ahead, though. Play 1000 points of tzeentch against some friends and tell me how it goes.

Here's an example:

Daemon Prince
ML3, Flight, 2 Greater, 1 Lesser

Herald
ML3, Locust of Conjuration, Paradox

Herald
ML3, Locust of Conjuration

Horrors x11
Horrors x11

Screamers x3

Burning Chariot