Warhammer 40,000 general

>>50556775
I'm torn between Black Legion, Alpha Legion, Emp's Children and Night Lords.

Are Alpha Legion forbidden from taking Marks?

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First for always trying to improve

>>50556812
Yes, by apparently they get to respawn cultists on a 4+ when the unit is destroyed + more special rules.

>>50556826

The Alpha Legion rolls to respawn Cultists TWICE for each unit. Once for the formation and once for the decurion.

>>50556815

Better than anything I can do. I am sure /wip/ would tear in to you though. But I like it.

>>50556815
Your posting speed like your painting skills are severely lacking
but really that gsc looks great, the only thing that looks off is the combination of the armour and clothes colours, perhaps if you tried blue instead of purple for the armour it would make a better contrast.

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How much points is this? I don't have the Dark Angels codex, so I just wnat to know.

>3 Tac Squads with Plasma Cannon, Gun, Pistol and Power Sword
>3 Rhinos
>Interrogator Chaplain with Plasma Pistol
That's the only things I know for sure they can take, and I want to get BaC, FW Plasma Cannons, and 3 Rhinos. What else should I get? Deathwing Knights look cool, and I definitely want a Dreadnought with a Plasma Cannon.

>>50556869
Can you create more cultists if both rolls are successful?

>>50556914

You'd have to check the exact wording.

RAI, no

>>50556914
No. The rules place the unit back into Ongoing Reserve, it doesn't say to place a NEW unit into Ongoing Reserve. Therefore when the first resolves the second does nothing because the unit is already in OR.

>>50556914
This will help you the long way
https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator

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>>50556815
>3.8 MB
>5312x2988
>holding model

>>50556929
Meant for>>50556913

>>50556848

I've heard that Canoness is a hyper limited model, and that pisses me off because I don't have a GW near me, just an LGS

Asking in here because I don't care about the rule just the wording and asking my meta of eldarfags that don't like anyone else having nice things turned out to be a bad idea.

Judging by the special rule of Transmogrify: If Roll (A) is a six (B), then the attack has Instant Death (C). If that happens then any models are slain they spawn in spawn (D).

So would it be
>If A=B then C Then D
Or does
>C=D

Being that The Blade of Magnus is a Force Weapon and can have all his attacks as ID.

>>50556920
>>50556925
Just a re roll then, eh?

Good enough

>>50556913
830pts

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>>50556966
>forgot pic

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First time making a list r8.

I don't know what any of this does.

>>50556966
>>50556989
The first.

>>50556989

"in this manner" refers to the roll of 6 causing instant death. Normal instant death isn't enough.

>>50556929
>>50556945
>tfw on mobile
>site doesn't work properly for me
Sadness.

A shame I can't see what the special rules do, but I can understand that one.

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Post a pic of your favourite ork conversions anons

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What would everybody's opinions be on a Close combat battlesuit and infantry heavy Farsight Enclaves list?

Focusing mainly on the close combat prowess of Commander Farsight as well as either separate or combined squads of crisis suits carrying the Onager Gauntlet and fusion blades mixed with a mobile force of breachers/fire warriors riding in devilfish and a healthy amount of backline artillery.

Probably wouldn't be ideal, but it sounds like an interesting idea to me. I'm starting Tau with the new battleforce and the start collecting box, and when I expand the force I don't want it to be another cookie cutter Tau gunline list. I like the lore of the Enclaves and Farsight's own combat style.

>>50557002
>>50557007
Cheers guys, it was the new sentence in the paragraph confusing me.

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>>50557032

it would be a bro tier Tau list

I couldn't help myself and ordered a realm of battle board, the original one with the modular hills, I really like that it's 3d and I can make one large hill or a valley, or a sweeping plain.
Anyone else own one? How do you like it?

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>>50557028

Hows this for a Harlequin HoR 200 point list?

Leader [60]
>Troupe Master (35)
>>Piercing Rose (10)
>>Domino Field (15)
Core [75]
>Harlequin x5 (15*5)
Special [60]
>Shadowseer (60)
Total [195]

They look speedy, and more like they should be closing to melee as fast as they can rather than relying on shooting, or scurrying off with objectives and hiding behind cover.

>>50557032
What is a fusion blade?

>>50556972
Oh, thanks anon.

>tfw no mobile friendly Dank Angels Codex pdf

I just want the rules, fluff is fine, but the rules are what I need.

>>50557065

a Farsight Enclave super meltagun that can also be used as super meltabombs but with a chance it breaks each time, iirc

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Alright, how best to field Thousand Sons focused Chaos list?
>What I've Got
10 Rubric Marines
10 Tzaangors
5 Scarab Occult Terminators
3 Exalted Sorcerers
Kairos Fateweaver
20 Pink Horrors
...and a bunch of Nurgle daemons that I won't be using, and a few Loyalist rhinos I can proxy until I get proper Chaos-y ones.

>What I'll Be Getting Soon
One more box of Tzaangors and Rubrics and big red himself (for >2000 pt games).

>Builds/tactics?
>Rubrics
Okay, so my first impression is that Thousand Sons still suck. They have a lot of AP3 but there are better units in the CSM codex for that, and the sergeant costs nearly as much as an independent sorcerer but with a worse psyker selection. I'm thinking I might give each squad two flamers, and while I'm probably going to build one of the cannons, I'm not sure if I'll field it. It's fucking expensive for something with such meh strength.

>Tzaangors
I like these more, but they're basically worse slugga boyz that also cost more. I might field a horde of 20 of them led by a Sorcerer to give them Jump type. Also, their generic CCWs look way better than their chainswords so I'm tempted to build them that way.

>Scarab Occult Terminators
Overcosted as fuck and missing power fists, but I like 40 points for a TEQ more than 23 for a MEQ. The missile launcher seems like a no brainer, but I'm not sure between the cannon or flamer. The TS definitely could use more anti-horde, but the cannon is still tempting (plus fuck Warpflame).

>Exalted Sorcerers
So fucking expensive for only ML2. Still, the artifacts give these guys interesting options but I'm struggling to see what units they'd synergize with- I'm thinking either give him the jump pack artifact and stick him with a bunch of Tzaangors, or just plop them down with the termies. If it weren't for that daemon FAQ I'd buy some screamers and put one on a disc.

>Kairos, Horrors, Magnus
Not much to say on these guys, they're the best things here by far.

>>50557065
A pair of fusion blasters with the overheating protections turned off for continual fire.

>>50557065
Fusion blasters that can be use as cc weapons s8 ap1.

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>>50557065

>>50557104
Neato.

So with Farsight Enclaves can you actually kinda sorta build melee Tau then?

>>50557143
Vs orks and other armies bad at melee.

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Made a simple 1000 pts list using the models I have and the new iron warriors rules (as known). How easily will I get stomped?

I also have 6 bikers, a bunch more havocs, terminators, warsmith, dreadnought and a defiler

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Man i wish AdMech had skimmers, cause this'd make great count's as.

>>50557049
They're alright, don't lose the little clips that hold the board tiles together.

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>>50557032
>cqc tau
>willingly going into combat
>not ws5 across the board
>giving up shooting

sounds like a dream to fight, though i wonder if i'll ever see it in person. i wouldn't put all your stock in cqc, stock up on flamers in your fighting suits, don't forget the hit/run thing, honorblade and possibly that one independent riptide character. just because you fight better then assault marines isn't enough at times

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>>50557155

You should take a 10-point upgrade senpai.

>>50557204
But anon, that'd be cheating!

>>50557150
>Orks
>and other armies bad at melee
OUCH.

>>50557045
>image is hilarious because that's how loyalists and heretics talk to each other in their wank while Farsight and Shadowsun tend to be sober as fuck in their wank.

It's almost like imp players really want that shit to be true. You really want the Tau is Weeaboo shit to be true to justify your hatred of the faction. But I think you actually hate the faction because even with shiny sleek mecha, they tend to be far less anime than the main cast of 40k. They are a mirror and you don't like what your own reflection says about who you are.

I need a Warpsmith for my Death Guard.

Anyone have any cool ideas for a Nurgley warpsmith? I was thinking of somehow converting a Nurgle sorcerer.

>>50557221
t. first year psych student who just found out about freud

>>50557204
Maybe I can give one seargent a combi bolter or something. 5pts

>>50557085
>Alex R
I dunno, man, looks like some Barlowe shit to me.

>>50557180
Yeah most of the CQC would rely on weaker CC units and/or popping vehicles for the infantry squads. And like you suggest probably flamers/plasma rifles for that AP2 I might be lacking in.

>>50557235
Buy the forgeworld one. Paint it white with green shoulders. Voila

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>>50557032
Sounds fun. I have a list for CQC Guard that involves Straken, Bullgryn, Yarrick, Priests, Psykers, Infantry blobs and it's supported by Lascannon heavy weapon squads. I want to fit in some tanks somewhere.

>>50557085

bring predator annihilators for dat AP2

>>50557247
There's a Forgeworld warpsmith?!

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Second draft of rules for Doomrider

>>50556775
Why no normal picture?

>>50557272

OP choked on cocks

>>50556942

It's a jpg too. A special kind of retarded.

>>50557155

iron warriors/10

>>50556775
>>50556812
>>50556826
>>50556869
Is there an actual leak of the official rules or is this more bullshit hearsay? The 1d4chan article has ALL the legion rules written up but I've heard nothing of a full leak yet, just the Night Lord special rules.

Wishlisting faggots abound.

>>50557261
Forgeworld tech marine.

>>50557049
They're kind of a pain to clip together and there isn't a huge amount of flat space for scatter terrain. Also, you need to get some bubble wrap to go between the boards or they scuff the shit out of each other.

That said, you can set it up on a surprisingly small table and it packs down really well for storage and transport. If you're short on space it's not a bad option.

>>50557299
Literally everything was leaked days ago by the same guy who leaked all the WoM stuff, you tool.

>>50557032
I've considered it in the past, close quarters Tau is probably viable if you mean close quarters and not melee. It'd be entirely possible to play very aggressively with fusion/plasma/flamer equipped crisis suits, mechanised fire warriors (even better with breachers thanks to the new codex), and some burst cannon Riptides for serious melee, thanks to stomp. Maybe even throw in Ethereals and Cadre fireblades to buff Fire Warriors and you can get a pretty impressive point-blank pulse salvo.

The only issue is that either you annihilate whatever you just fired at/mop it up with a charge or you're basically gonna crumble against anything better than GEQ.

>>50557177
Or just magnetize the fuck outta them.

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>>50557277
>not chocking on cocks
What a fag

>>50557299
Dude the leaks came from the guys holding the review books and so far the rules are the same (and yet some released the full artifacts, while others only mentioned the formations, etc) so it's all legit.

The book is officially out in four days anyway if you wanted to pepper your angus.

>>50557219
I2, shitty armour, no melee inv and only unwieldy melee with ap3+.

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>>50557322

You called?

>>50557235
Fabius bile is a pretty solid bio-tech marine

>>50557287
I'm not sure if predators are actually any good. But I own 2 of them and a 3rd spare turret so may as well try

>>50557333
But how much does unwieldy matter when you're already
>I2
>melee race

are night lords going to be a usable or scary army to face now, or are they just going to be tossed aside in favour of EC/DG

>>50557350
It matters because you can't even use power axes to chop powerfisters apart.

>>50557358
How about you just play the army you like, not the one you think is the most "competitive?"

As a Blood Angels player I'm a little miffed that they get raptor troops, but at least we get furious charge and the red thirst.

>>50557358
Book isn't out yet.

>>50557358

Tossed aside because 90% of the meta doesn't care about fear because ATSKNF a retarded rule.

>>50557367
You can't do this with anyone, how does that matter specifically for Orks?

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>>50557341
I said no homo mang, go be a fag somewhere else.

>>50557155
>>50557287

Okay let me look at this seriously though.

Do you need the sigil of corruption on the sorcerer? He's mainly a support character in a list like this. Also, why are the weapons on the predators so mismatched? One doesn't even have sponsons and another has a different turret?

A Warsmith would be really useful in this list fyi, I'd consider him if I were you. Sabotaging enemy cover and repairing those tanks would be a good idea. Helbrute or Bikes would also work as a distraction unit to get the enemy off your back: this list will have a lot of trouble with Genestealers and with loyalist drop podding.

>>50557372
But all the rules are.

As for Night Lords, yeah they seem kind of underwhelming for the most part, but if you really want to just run TONS of Raptors with HQs and nothing else, they're the way to go. Everything else will come with tax.

>>50557314
Also true, my main idea was focus on CQC as much as I could with my crisis suits, but still keeping them as a relatively good shooting squad if it doesn't exactly go well for me. Or if I want to deepstrike them and have them do something before turn 3.

And the only thing I'd want to charge without losing an entire crisis team would be vehicles and fairly weak/unexpecting infantry. With a 3 man crisis suit squad with fusion blades it's a 50/50 against a 10 man space marine squad, hitting on 5's wounding on 3's with 9 attacks plus a pseudo power fist, versus hitting on 3's wounding on 5's with 10 attacks.

I like the in lore style of Farsight and the way he implements the Mont'ka, and trying to balance that with a list that won't lose to everything it comes across. But also something casual and not cookie cutter Tau.

>>50557299

Literally every website is saying the exact same stuff about what's in the book. Everything leaked is confirmed.

>>50557373
Raptor troops, rerolling failed charges and having stealth and guaranteed night fighting are all awesome though.

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>>50557272
Not OP (this time) but I got tired of the normal images. This is an image board, after all. so I decided to inject some new ones into the mix.

They aren't all winners, but someone else seems to like some of them, and this one seems to trigger >>50557277 so what the hell.

Normal makes you boring. I still like this one. I like its storied history. It's like a single used mini that gets repainted by many owners. The 9-tile version was funny at one time, but it's not needed now. I missed posting the timely halloween version and I'll probably miss posting the Christmas version, too. But I hope it continues to get updated with the game, anyway.

>>50556775
For Guard, would it be tacky to change the armor color for different platoons or vets? I'm also struggling to figure out what color to use for the tanks and vehicles.

>>50557394
Proper snaps or just Dakka "leaks"?

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>>50557373
>Tossed aside because 90% of the meta doesn't care about fear because ATSKNF a retarded rule.
>implying 90% of the meta doesn't consist of tau or eldar
Anon please.

>>50557411
There have been some proper snaps. I don't give a shit about Night Lords so I didn't save them, but the truth is out there, anon.

>>50557373
>crying about ATSKNF

It's kind of amazing how every CSM whiner is so bad at the game.

If you choose an army based on the current meta, you are truly a fool.

The rules come and go, but if you pick an army you like for aesthetic reasons you will always be happy.

Winning games is probably the smallest portion of the hobby compared to modeling, painting, and discussing the game. I'd rather lose an interesting narrative campaign than a cookie cutter tournament scenario.

>>50557411
>or just Dakka "leaks"
Not sure why you're putting "leaks" in quotation marks like an asshole when the guy who posted this stuff was 100% confirmed when WoM came out and the Night Lords snap on BoLS.

Jesus you fucking faggots who cannot tell apart real leaks from fake are the most annoying people. Stuff leaked at this caliber has literally never been wrong in the history of 40k.

>>50557440
Because we had 4 waves of straight guesses for Thousand Sons alone.

>>50557399

I agree. I'm going Night Lords regardless, but fear is 99% useless.

>>50557412

>implying you'd ever get close enough to the point that fear is relevant

>>50557394

>stealth
>jump pack Troops
>artificer armor in CSM
>Raptor Talon

They're decent. Not the super brokenness of Death Guard, but they are good at what they do.

Also they have enough morale reduction for it possibly to be actually relevant against many armies, not everyone is loyalists or mono-god legions. Most Eldar, Tau and Skitarii armies all skip over the morale game for bigger guns.

>>50557434
Seriously, CSM have access to leadership 9 and hatred ARMIES OF THE IMPERIUM, +2 ppm for ccws, and ample access to fearless but somehow they still whine about ATSKNF.

IT'S NOT THAT GREAT OF A RULE!!! IF IT COMES INTO PLAY CHANCES ARE YOU ARE ALREADY LOSING FFS!!!

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>>50557440
No one can tell real leaks from the fakes without pics or credentialed leakers, dipshit.

>>50557411
But in this case that dipshit is right and the leaker has been vetted.

>>50557451
No, we didn't. We had one bullshit "leak" of just the tzeentch psychic power table with nothing else, and then we had a complete leak of everything which was all 100% correct. Stop making shit up.

>>50557455
>>50557434

Fucking morons. I'm not whining about not having it, I'm winning about how much shit it negates.

>>50557395
I don't wanna crush your dreams too much here anon, but fusion blades are only for Commanders. With that said, and as you've pointed out, melee suits aren't awful, they're still a multiwound MEQ, and if you've reduced an enemy squad's numbers by shooting before you charge then you'll stand a pretty good chance against most non-melee units.

Give deep striking some more thought though, your crisis suits will only enter on a later turn, but if you've opted for short-range weapons then it'll mean fewer turns spent getting shot at while you close, and when you deploy from deep strike you'll also be able to decide where the suits are needed most at that moment, rather than having to redeploy units that aren't all that speedy outside of a jetpack move from one end of the board to the other.

I think under perfect circumstances, you'd wanna try to focus down enemy vehicles/melee infantry for the first two or three turns while your crisis suits arrive, then mop up the ranged infantry with close-range volleys and charges.

>>50557465
>No one can tell real leaks from the fakes without pics or credentialed leakers, dipshit.
Anyone with common sense can. I've literally not once been wrong when calling something legit or not, just look at whether it makes sense in the context of the design stuff that's already come out.

>>50557467
Also fake magnus.
Wrong weapon statlines.
And 70 point terminators.

>>50557453
The morale reduction only applies specifically to Fear tests, it won't help you break units or weaken them to Psychic Shriek or anything like that.

>tfw I played Dust the other day

Oh man I really wish 40k had unit by unit initiative

Feels really good to actually have every unit be able to do something before getting murdered

>>50557452
>Not playing your favourite legion because their rules are fluffy instead of broken
Op is right people like your are the reason spawnhood exists.

>>50557455
shut up, colin you whiny twat
ATSKNF is responsible for a widespread and interesting rule being largely completely useless because the majority of factions that have access to it are also the most popular by far, and as such you still pay points for fear, but its completely fucking useless most of the time

>>50557470
it negates sweeping advance and fear, not morale

>>50557489
and I played the open wargame terrain tabletop version, not the game mat version

>>50557480
>fake Magnus
That was people guessing, no one tried to pass them off as leaks and you're a dumbass if you believed that
>wrong weapon statlines
>70 point terminators
Then you shouldn't be believing things you read that are not attached to the complete leak.

>>50557473
>I don't wanna crush your dreams too much here anon, but fusion blades are only for Commanders

No, fusion blades can be taken on regular and bodyguard crisis suits. They'd be better on a commander simply because of the better stat-line, sure.

>>50557507
Dakka leaker had terminators listed as: "2 Rhinos and a bolt pistol."

>>50557516
Uhhh, no. See: >>50557104
>Commander with twin-linked fusion blaster only.

>>50556942
>>50557279
yet you can see the model perfectly, autists.

>>50557494
Okay, and you have Hatred against the most popular armies. So they have a pretty nice defensive buff and you get a nice offensive buff against them.

>>50557473
I totally knew that, and somehow still totally forgot.

But I am still more than ok equipping some commanders, WS4 S5 and 5 attacks on the charge is pretty decent against a weakened infantry squad, and the fusion blades/gauntlet to pop open a weakened transport if need be.

>>50557524
No he didn't, VeteranNoob never worded anything like that, he just straight up stated points costs. You were clearly reading the wrong one.

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>>50557495

U fucking wot

>>50557530

But they get hatred against you too

>>50557487

>raptor talon
>Vox Daemonicus
>heldrake terror pack
>Terrify

>>50557539
It says you auto Regroup, not auto-pass Morale. You can Fall Back off the table, get Pinned, etc. with ATSKNF

Speaking of all of the Raptors, rate my absolutely 10/10 genius Night Lords list /tg/

Night Lords CAD
>Sorcerer (140) - ML3, Jump Pack, Spell Familiar, Force Stave, Bolt Pistols
>Raptors (135) - 2x Melta Gun, Champion with Melta Bombs and Power Axe
>Raptors (135) - 2x Melta Gun, Champion with Melta Bombs and Power Axe

Raptor Talon
>Chaos Lord (120) - Jump Pack, Burning Brand of Skalanthrax, Sigil of Corruption
>Raptors (125) - 2x Plasma Gun
>Raptors (125) - 2x Plasma Gun
>Raptors (125) - 2x Plasma Gun
>Raptors (95) - All Bolt Pistol/CCW

I see literally no way this could go wrong and it's the best army idea ever, y/n?

>>50557530
ooh boy, a melee buff in an army with shit for options in terms of assault vehicles, in a game so focused on shooting that a unit needs to be either incredibly undercosted or just straight overpowered to be useful in a mainly combat role(TWC, Wulfen, sword and board WK), and if we beat them hard, they're fine, but if we whiff they can run us down just fine
its fucking retarded m8, not to mention CSM needs to pay for their hatred while SM gets it built in

>>50557542
Yeah but short of the Relic which is only a -1 within 6" all Chaos has access to those things, it's not Night Lords exclusive.

>>50557549

Why is all the plasma in the squads that want to charge the turn they arrive?

>>50557536
Yea?
Never put his credibility into question, just Dakkas in general.

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>>50557528
Hmmm. I see your point.

>>50557539
Please highlight the word Morale in your image.

>>50557554

Fuck good point, I wasn't really thinking that through. Imagine the exact same list except with some of the stuff moved around :^)

>>50557553

The point is you stack it until Necrons start failing their fear tests against you. And even if you're up against ATSKNF, you can still psychic shriek em just fine since their Ld is already lowered.

>>50557493

what? I said I'm still playing them despite half their rules being irrelevant

>>50557545
>>50557569

Why the fuck are you talking about moral. I'm talking a out how fear is useless against half the armies that exist because of this shitty fucking rule.

>>50557550
SM don't have hatred CSM. Where the hell are you getting that?
Night lords get free VOTLW, re-roll charge distances, have stealth, have automatic night fighting, have raptor troops - if you don't make it into assault then you're the problem, not the game.

I play Blood Angels, I only get Hatred against Abaddon - not chaos space marines.

Dark Angels get bonuses to Chaos marines but that's like one of their chapter tactics.

Space Wolves get a bonus against Thousand Sons.

I think Imperial Fists get a bonus against Iron Warriors.

But basic Codex Marines don't get hatred against chaos marines.

>>50557595
i meant atsknf, rather than hatred

>>50557587
No the point is that none of that is stuff only available to Night Lords. They have no Morale reducing effects that you can't do with EC, for example, except for specifically Fear tests or that extremely short-ranged Relic.

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>>50557569
It's right here anon, wasn't it obvious?

>>50557594
Are you retarded? You responded to a post saying "ATSKNF negates Fear and Sweeping Advance, but not Morale" by saying "u wot" and posting the rule, which... does nothing to negate Morale, and that guy was correct.

Keep moving those goalposts I guess?

>>50557614
Underrated post

>>50557601

The Relic isn't useless, it also messes with enemy reserve rolls, which is huge.

Fear and morale stuff in general for Night Lords will probably have an actual effect on the game, but since it isn't all that relevant against ATSKNF it's probably wise not to make it your only strategy. More of an incidental thing.

>>50557549
Don't post lists without include the complete army points cost.

>>50557633

1001
:^)

Anyway I realized I am dumb so here's the new and even more improved version

1000 pts
Night Lords CAD
>Sorcerer (140) - ML3, Jump Pack, Spell Familiar, Force Stave, Bolt Pistols
>Raptors (135) - 2x Melta Gun, Champion with Melta Bombs and Power Axe
>Raptors (135) - 2x Melta Gun, Champion with Melta Bombs and Power Axe
>Raptors (125) - 2x Plasma Gun

Raptor Talon
>Chaos Lord (120) - Jump Pack, Burning Brand of Skalanthrax, Sigil of Corruption
>Raptors (115) - Flamer, Power Weapon
>Raptors (115) - Flamer, Power Weapon
>Raptors (115) - Flamer, Power Weapon

>>50557681

Solid enough, does the Chaos Lord not have a power weapon?

>>50557719
I think the Burning Brand doubles as one, but I haven't touched a Chaos dex in years.

>>50557743
It does not. also dont give the soc a force stave, they are fucking awful

>>50557681
>1001
You're 249 points short on your 1250 point list there

>>50557719

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF I knew I was forgetting something

One of the Talon guys doesn't get one I guess. I can't think of anything else that makes sense to drop really.

>>50557753

Oh. I had one on a GK Librarian before and I don't recall it being terrible. All the force weapons are the same points so I guess I'll make it something else.

>>50557761

That's okay, Night Lords are so scary the enemy will need 249 extra points to stand a chance.

I don't have any of the models yet but I've been waiting for an excuse to build a bunch of Raptors forever. So anything dumb can be changed still.

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>IW Legion Rules
>no option to take Warpsmiths without taking a Chaos Lord/Sorceror tax to fulfil Formation requirements.
>no re-rolling Warlord traits if he's a warpsmith because LOL CHAOS WARBAND NEEDS A BOSS
Awesome. GW shitting the bed with minor oversights, as usual.

>>50557832
Dude, even the Iron Warriors are led by Chaos Lords.

>>50557832
Warsmith =/= Warpsmith.

Warsmiths are Iron Warrior Chaos Lords.

Warpsmiths are Chaos Techmarines.

>>50557753
Why not? Is it universally terrible?

I'd think with Iron Arm, a staff would be amazing. That's, what 9 str? If you get lucky and roll a gift of mutation with +1 str, you're a greater daemon, but at 9, you could even crack open Land Raiders on a 5+.

Really curious why it's considered so bad.

>>50557851
relying of getting a spell is never good, the main problem is a lack of ap 3. cant speak for everyone, but in my meta, it may as well be ap -

>>50557832

You can make anyone in this type of detachment your warlord, and still get the bonus.

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>>50557681

>1001

Looks good to me

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>>50556775
I just noticed the ork in that picture my sides!

>>50557820

Good call anon. I will have to test it out with some counts-as models (I am bad at math lel). On the one hand the flamers could help save some overwatch deaths but on the other hand with a disordered charge (from the DS rules) I feel like you'd also want the +1A from pistol/CCW to make up for losing the charge bonus.

Opinions of mixing Space Wolves with Deathwatch?

So what's the rules for cultists formation things roughly?

I had an Alpha Legion army planned in the WIP que and I'd love to know how they affect cultists.

>>50557872
Well, you've got a 50% chance of getting it at ML3. That's really not that bad. You aren't allowed to stack the same powers across your army anymore so one dude rolling entirely on Biomancy isn't exactly wasted. I don't know if you recall, but Biomancy is pretty great for a core book table.

>>50557843
The bosses also tend to be warsmiths.

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>>50557832
>confusing warsmiths with warpsmiths
>MFW
[Decimation intensifies]

>>50557851
Because s9 ID dont mean shit when you have 66% chance of bouncing off powerarmour.

>>50557898
Why? Are you doing this because of the special ammunition?

>>50557895
Raptors don't swap weapons for their special weapons. You still got the bonus attacks, boss.

Loyalists get special weapons on Bikers without any swaps, Heretics get special weapons on Raptors without the swap.

>>50557937
Iron Arm grants Smash.

>>50557843
>>50557850
>not aware that in IW fluff, the guy in charge of getting shit down invariably has servo arms and shitloads of bionics, regardless of Chaos Lord/Warsmith/WARPsmith nonclementure.

>>50557945

I should learn to read better. Thanks anon.

>>50557930
>implying they're not the same thing with a different name
Tell me how you equip your totally fluffy Iron Warriors Chaos Lord, anon.

>>50557953
>Not using a power fist as a count as servo arm
Fucking casuals

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>>50557937
You get Smash as part of Iron Arm so your attacks resolve at AP2. Note: this is not the trade in attack, this is all your attacks. So yeah, it does actually mean shit.

>>50557953
So model a warsmith and use the chaos lord entry. Done.

Which is the most rapey aircraft in the game:
Points to power:
Total rape:
Bomb power:
Other?: In case I missed something
I was thinking the new barracuda is the best points to power flyer, would I be wrong?

>>50557976
>using an expensive Lord with Fist when I've got a literal guy with servo arms and mechadendrites that fits the theme so much better and can take shit like the Black Mace for a gigantic demon-possessed Servo Arm and still have extra arms spewing melta and templates
Fuck off.

>>50557973
>Power fist for power/Lance weapon for claw/mechanditres and putting the claw in the model, then explain my opponent that that servo arm is it's power fist leaving both arms free for the gun/relic/cc/shit I want him to have.
Not so hard

>>50558016
>leaving both arms free
HA. Have fun explaining that to the rules lawyers.

>>50557948
>>50557977
Oh my bad, i never see smash used so i only remembered the "trade all attacks for one" part.

>>50558016
ahh so you cheat?

>>50558003
Against what target?

>>50558007
>implying warsmiths weren't the captain's and commanders of the legion instead of the tech Marines
>implying you can't take a generic power weapon or relic instead of pf to represent mechadendrites
Learn your fluff you fucking pseudo iron warrior, I bet you want them just to spam obliterators.

>>50558043
Total Dakka, or
I guess vs infantry/vehicles/aircraft/mc

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>>50558029
>>50558039
>being this autistic of how someone else models his/her miniatures.
This is why nobody wants to play with you

>>50558079
I said nothing about modeling you fuck wad, model however you want. trying to go 'oh i modeled him with extra weapons so i get to take more than normal' is what makes you a cheating asshole

>>50557984
Point was I can't take a Warpsmith as the Command portion of an Iron Warriors detachment because there was no amendment to the Chaos Warband despite being fluff-friendly, so I have to take a Lord to fill out the Formation, AND a Warpsmith to take any of the interesting Warpsmith-only relics. A single line of text reading "Iron Warriors may take a Warpsmith instead of a Chaos Lord/Sorcerer to fulfil Formation requirements". Nice fluffy rule and no HQ taxes for our armies.

>>50558016
Care to post any images you may have of it? All those extra weapons aside, it sounds like it could be cool.

>>50558087
Relics are in addition to regular wargear limits unless specified.

>>50558062
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WhvvNGeHHME

>>50558088

Can't you do CAD? and take the iron warriors formation separate? What do you gain from taking the warband anyway? tax units and boons? take some warpsmiths, obliterators, and fortification formations and call it a day.

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>>50558087
>I said nothing about modeling you fuck wad, model however you want. trying to go 'oh i modeled him with extra weapons so i get to take more than normal' is what makes you a cheating asshole
If the roster says it's equipped with "x" equipment who the hell gives a fuck of how many appendages my model have? If I put a servo arm in my model and say it's a power fist is that much of a big deal? Perhaps only if you're an autistic asshole that is probably already ignored by the rest of the group, my opponent will most likely ask me for the roster to know with what the converted miniature is equipped with anyways.

>>50556990
>not legal/10 try again scrub
actual advice: you need the guard codex which has specific rules for infantry platoons (you don't have even a single full troops slot in your list)

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>>50558058
>implying Warsmiths weren't both and don't have their own collections of meticulously-modified and repaired vehicles and other creations
>implying the Obliterator-related rules compensate for them still being expensive heavy weapon blobs
Even blowing your Warlord trait on letting them shoot twice barely makes up for their points and isn't a sure thing. The only one that's remotely 'good' is cheesing the 'attack twice' for Mutilators by striking first with power swords to get Initiative then immediately following with Chainfists which will likely get FAQ'd into the dirt within a week of release.
>thinking I'm going to be rustled by some hamfisted attempt at a No True Scotsman

>>50558136
wow, you are illiterate as well as stupid

>>50558130
Warband is your 1+ Core for the IW detachment from what I've read. Like I said, HQ taxes.

>>50556990
God I hate this site, the fact that it even allows that list to be made is fucked up. No idea why people keep shilling it.

Anyways, not your fault new guy, don't worry.

Infantry squads (the 50pt ones you bought) must be bought as platoons. A platoon MUST contain 1 platoon command squad and 2 infantry squads. In addition, it can contain up to 3 more infantry squads (so a total of 5) as well as a unit of conscripts, 0-5 Heavy weapon squads, and if I'm remembering right 0-2 special weapon squads.

Basically think of it as a force org in your force org. Also, that list is horrible, but I'm going to wait to see if you're even still around before I go into a longer post explaining why you want to change it.

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>>50558163
>Not liking ap 1 las cannons, or ap 0 meltaguns
what are you, an imperial fist?

>>50558172

You can still do IW CAD. that whole oblits are troops bit. you dont need warband.

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>>50558175

>I need something to hold my hand when making lists

Any word on when imperial agents is up for pre?

>>50558181
I don't like them when they're 70pts each and go poof when you point Krak missiles at them.

>>50558217
>krak missile
>killing an oblit
sure like those 1/6 chances dont you anon

>>50558217

That does suck, but at least they get a 2+ followed by a 6+ FNP now

>>50558136

Aren't servo arms and power fists the same thing? Let's be real, he's not going to be hitting anything where the AP1 matters.

>>50558203
So you're telling me you want an army builder that isn't made correctly and can shit out completely broken lists?

The whole point of an army builder is so that it works without you having to have the codex memorized so you can quickly slap a list together. What's the point if it can't even remotely tell you "hey dipshit, you built that platoon wrong"? Especially for more complex units like infantry platoons, which, as shown by noobie up there, are hard for new players to wrap their heads around.

Nice b8 m8

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>>50558101
I don't have. a picture right now but it's basically pic releated with all imperial thingys cut off and more skulls and daemonic motifs.

>>50558249
How is that a techmarine in any way but power armour?

>>50558235
>>50558226
>for some reason I'm thinking Krak missiles are AP2
Well whatever, I meant any St8 AP2 or better will gib them.

>>50558242

I think the frogposter is referring to the fact that you need an army builder period. Skilled players and veterans simply write lists manually, by hand, from memory or with the rulebook nearby.

>>50558136
Because your wording was "leaving both hands free for relics/etc" implying you could cheese shit with 2-handed equipment.

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>>50558242

I used paper and pencil for years, all this does is allow me to print a neat copy.

I am sorry its too difficult for some.

>>50558278

Still have that 5++ followed 6+FnP

But I get what you are saying.

>>50558333
>double strength causes Instant Death
No FNP for you.

>>50558290
>>50558310

its convenient to have one on my phone and I can tap one out on battlescribe faster than it takes to break out pen and paper and write it down. Plus if I need it on paper all I gotta do is print it.

I play guard. When we build a list it has a shit ton of stuff in it. If my choices are writing down a page worth of shit or just a few taps, I'm gonna pick the phone. And this is a guy who has the damn codex memorized, I still prefer the app just because it organizes things nice and quick with minimal effort.

Also I really don't like wasting paper on a list that I'm probably just going to throw away after that game. Call me a tree hugging faggot but I don't like wasting paper.

Nothing wrong with writing it down, I completely get that. I was mainly stating that the new website builder people keep posting on here really sucks from what I've seen and I don't get why they use it.

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>there are people who do pen/paper to make their lists in 2017 minus 26 days

Wish they had given terminators tank hunter as well. Just finishing up my iron warriors terminators

>>50558337

Ah yes, so used to mine being nurgle I forget about that,

>>50557953
>the guy in charge of getting shit down invariably has servo arms and shitloads of bionics
some do

But the bulk of them are just commanders in the vein of perturabo and know how to delegate shit.

>muh 3.5
A servo arm was an option for a warsmith, but like the dark apostle's crozious was never mandatory. They're space marines. Space marines have a ton of variance in what they make use of.

>>50558165
I'm not giving the model extra weapons or equipment beyond what he's allowed to have, he's a generic chaos Lord with power fist and bolt pistol or power weapon if I have the spare points, I only use the power fist as an servo arm.

>>50558339
>and I don't get why they use it.

Because they are retards who don't know how to make a list without one.

>>50558295
Sorry, it wasn't my intention to be this misleading, English isn't my native language, I humbly apologize for any misunderstandings.

>>50558340

You're playing a game where you have to buy physical models, physically build them, then PAINT them too, just to roll physical dice to play with them.

Don't try to pull your trendy technology card on me when it comes to making lists. This isn't some virtual reality headset super porn hoverboard arena.

>>50558339
they use it because it's the first result when you search "warhammer 40k army builder"

>>50558359
My warsmith is built of the tech marine. He has 4 servo arms, a bionic arm and the axe as well as a flamer. I used him as Huron but, well that's out the window now

>>50558265
I'm still working on that mang.

>>50558356
As I mentioned earlier, my main complaint was that you have to take a Chaos Lord AND Warpsmith regardless if you want to take any of the Warpsmith-only relics because of the Chaos Warband being a 1+ Core choice. If what >>50558190 said is true and you can just make an IW CAD then I'll just take a Warpsmith as my HQ and go on my merry way. Remains to be seen which exact special rules I could miss out on by doing that, though.

>>50558350
I hope CSM get HH terminator armours for sweep advance with world eaters terminators.

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>>50558340

>There are people who haven't played their army enough they still have to build lists

>>50558382

At least they're googling. That's better than some people on here.

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Can someone point me towards the exact post on the net where Lady Atia said there would be Plastic Sisters?

I see a lot of people say she confirmed it but I've never seen the exact post of her confirming it.

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ask a guy who's played over 150 games with his Orkz anything (yes I've been keeping track since I started the hobby)

>>50558427
How many % of your army is scratch built/converted.

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>>50558378
The future can't come fast enough, yugioh but with miniatures would be amazing.

>>50558403
...ya know i could probably do that with daemons, challenge accepted

>>50558386
Let's hope the relics have some way to better represent the warsmith beyond a generic chaos Lord.

>>50558435
I'd say a solid 15%

>>50558403
Variety is the spice of life and all.
Keeping the enemy guessing is the only way my boyz can compete even slightly.

>>50558453

Godspeed to you anon.

you could throw anything on the table and I would still play you.

>>50558427
Is it better to brutal but kunnin or kunnin but brutal?

>>50558427
Which unit in the codex is your favourite? I personally like killa kans but the new morale rules for them seems stupid and too crippling for them to be reliable.

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>>50558416

Who cares now?

GW certain doesn't.

When some dude in Russian can make these, GW is out of fucking excuses.

>>50558480
GW also has monopose sisters.

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>>50558497

They do. These have options.

>>50558480
aren't those just resin though?

Also does anyone even have these yet? I've never seen pics of them in the wild

>>50558497
Yes but at least this ones look decent rather than the band of deformed midgets that GW wants to sell.

>>50558503

I've seen one here. They're pretty good.

>>50558480
The "sisters are niche as fuck and not worth investing heavily into" excuse has never been invalidated, however.

>but GSC
Space hulk and tyranids carry more popularity than you think, most importantly outside the general 40k fanbase. They're up there with the space marines themselves.

resin garage kits existing doesn't really change that

>>50558339
There's nothing wrong with the listbuilder. It's a tool to quickly calculate the points costs of everything you take. It's the user's responsibility to follow the rules if they're making a Battle-forged list, just like it is if they're writing the list by hand.

>>50558480
>>50558502
This is reaching shilling levels of posting.

>>50558416
Didn't she just confirm the Canoness and say something like it was "a nice hint"?

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>>50558520

I know several people irl willing to drop hundreds

>>50558503

Here's the pack. Not mine.

>>50558416
>>50558592
Yeah. here it is.
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1457

>>50558581

>one company refuses to supply
>second company does

>>50558593

Grishnak is the 2nd best producer of SoB models right now, but I don't like their faces or the scale of their models. The overall sculpts and level of detail are perfect though.

I prefer Raging Heroes even though they're not as accurate as Grishnak's.

>>50558616

>Raging heroes
>shit taste confirmed

Christ, why do people like that shitty cheese cake crap?

>>50558443
>"I ACTIVATE DISORDERED CHARGE WITH MY SKYHAMMER ASSAULT MARINES!"
>"Not so fast, Yugi-boy...you've activated my trap! TAU OVERWATCH!"

>>50558630
>cheese cake

That's probably why. Even if you look at the non-cheesecake models, the faces are better than Grishnak and the armor is bulkier and more heroic scale.

If you think every single Raging Heroes sculpt is cheese cake or shit, then you're just a brainless hater. Although that might already be the case if you think Grishnak sculpts > Raging Heroes.

>rumours from top sources repeatedly state Sisters will be in February
>GW releases a new allies toolbox book that includes some Sisters in it as one of 9 sub-factions
>Sistersfags freak the fuck out whining that they're being squatted and rolled into another book
Holy fucking shit, chill out, you're still getting an actual Codex/new model releases in February. Imperial Agents is just a fucking supplement.

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>>50558630

>>50558630
>GW
>shit taste confirmed
Christ, why do people like that shitty Space Marine crap?

>>50558641
>>50558662

One of these looks like a sister of battle and the rest do not.

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Things will get loud now!

Lord of the Legion
>Chaos Sorcerer (MoS, Steed of Slaanesh, VotLW, ML3) - 135

Kakophoni
>Chaos Lord (2x Lightning Claw, VotLW, MoS, Steed of Slaanesh, Aura of Dark Glory) - 150

>Noise Marines [7] (1x Doom Siren, 1x Blastmaster, 7xCCW, Icon of Excess, VotLW) - 184

>Noise Marines [7] (1x Blastmaster, 5x Sonic Blaster, Icon of Excess, VotLW) - 177

>Noise Marines [5] (1x Blastmaster, 3x Sonic Blaster, VotLW) - 139
>Rhino (Havoc Launcher) - 47
>Noise Marines [5] (1x Blastmaster, 3x Sonic Blaster, VotLW) - 139
>Rhino (Havoc Launcher) - 47
>Noise Marines [5] (1x Blastmaster, 3x Sonic Blaster, VotLW) - 139
>Rhino (Dirge Caster) - 40
>Noise Marines [5] (1x Blastmaster, 3x Sonic Blaster, VotLW) - 139
>Rhino (Dirge Caster) - 40

Renegades and Heretics CAD
>Renegade Command Squad (Banner of Hate) - 55

>Renegande Infantry Platoon (3x 10 Renegades) - 90

>Renegade Hellhound - 115

>Renegade Strike Battery (2x Wyvern) - 110

>ADL (Quad Gun) - 100

Total: 1846

>>50558654
I literally haven't seen any SoB player complaining aabout that and most of them are thankful they'll get plastic sisters in the near future.

How should Grav be nerfed, /tg/? It's currently mathematically the best ranged weapon in the game against all targets not counting D-weapons (and is even superior to D in numerous cases), even when you factor in the higher points cost. Something needs to be done.

>>50558675
>One looks like a drag-queen the rest do not

>>50558691
Really?
So guardians and boyz too.

>>50558692

So you agree

>>50558700
Shill harder

>>50558479
new book crippled the piss out of them I agree

My favorite unit is my big stupid overpriced Morkanaught

>>50558474
brutal but cunnin

>>50558688
who are your leaders going with? steeds means no rhinos

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>>50558691
>Something needs to be done.
Pict releated

>>50558691
I'm guessing by this you mean best all-round, not better at killing guardsmen than a flamer?

In any case, grav was a mistake. It just took over plasma's niche by being better in almost every way, when plasma wasn't broken or in need of something to replace it.

>>50558697
With a grav-amp it wounds 5+ save models on better than 4+ and shits out an unreasonable number of shots.

>>50558720
t. Space Marine player with 6 grav-centurions who literally doesn't know how to win games without them

>telling others to get gud
Oh the irony.

>>50558723
Yes, sorry, there are fringe cases where other weapons overtake it but it is by far the best all-rounder and strictly better than numerous other weapons.

>>50558427
Do you know your winrate? You ever won any tourneys?

>>50558691
Well, there are sevral ways
>increase prie, 50% across the board
>reduce shots (1/2 salvo for gun 2/3 for cannon, 3/4 for heavy)
>make it only do glanceing vs vehcles
>remove gravamps

if you did all of that (apart from the price increase) it could work

>>50558746
I haven't kept exact track, but I know I've won more games than I've lost, I'd estimate 60-70% win

I have actually won 2 local tourneys! I had to cheese like a fucker, and roll lucky, but I've done it

>>50558749
>
post your avarage tourny list

>>50558737

I love playing guys who spam grav

most of my armies are essentially immune to them though.

>>50558689

You clearly haven't been on Dakkadakka or BaC then

>>50558691

It's inferior to melta against vehicles. Your "math" forgets to account for the fact that grav is 15/35 points instead of 10 points.

If the game had no more high toughness high armor overpowered garbage models, grav would be useless. How many space marine players are taking grav against orks and daemons?

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>>50558737
>tfw your army literally consists of only a couple hundred guardsmen

Where is your precious god now, grav users

in reality the joke is on me of course, it's just fun to laugh at any weapon wounding guardsmen on 5's.

>>50558691
Maybe it could be a roll-under toughness instead of against armour save so that it has a more clear role as an MC killer, and is less effective vs MEQ and TEQ (something plasma is already meant to handle).

Maybe it could instead have its AP value removed or severely reduced, considering the great fire rate, making it not simply a "no, fuck you" to anything with a good armour save, but a gun that's good at bringing down tough units through loads of saving throws.

Or maybe it could just be removed, because having "plasma, but better" added nothing to the game in the first place.

>>50558755
I could go digging but Ima just give you the short version

Generally I go with a biker deathstar with a painboy and boss, supported by a bunch of artillery and a solid footslogging line

One that I won with a year ago was a full on footslog with some killa kans, that one I won because of luck to be honest though, I got matched against opponents that couldn't keep up with wounding them, and I had lots of cover

>>50558716
The Steeds are to outflank the two squads of 7 - lord with the Doom Siren and CCWs and the sorcerer with Blast master and Sonic Blasters.

>>50558688

Renegades and Heretics CAD
>Renegade Command Squad (Banner of Hate) - 55

>Renegande Infantry Platoon (3x 10 Renegades) - 90

>Renegade Hellhound - 115

>Renegade Strike Battery (2x Wyvern) - 110

>ADL (Quad Gun) - 100

Total: 1846


Where's your second troop choice? A platoon of infantry is only one slot.

>>50558825
He probably meant to take an AD.

>>50558825
That's an allied detachment, isn't it?

>>50558801
How are you planning to model them?

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Does anyone here know if the Warhammer 40k: Armageddon PC game is any good? It looks a lot like the old Final Liberation PC game I used to play back when I was in my early teens.

Is it restricted to just the missions in the DLC or can you throw together skirmishes vs the AI?

>>50558894
Well ive read a fair amount of complaints that the levels are very linera, as in one way to win only.

>>50558831
>>50558833
Yeah, that's my bad, meant to put Allied. However, this made me think - can you have a fortification in an allied detachment? >>50558825

>>50558854
I'm planning on getting some seekers, the legs for the marines I'm not so sure. Maybe kitbash with some bikers? It'll be a fun conversion project.

>>50558928

No fortification in AD

>>50558788
Changing Grav AP is not an argument as Long as Riptides exist. I Know its the nail in the coffin for terminators but its also the main counter to cheese-fests. Wounding ona "reversed" Toughness seems neat though.

>>50558944
Shit. Is there a way to take one outside of a CAD?

>>50558894
I played it. It's typical hexbased strat game. It isn't anything special.

>>50558951
Could give Grav a disabling ability against big single targets instead.

>>50558955
I belive you can just take a fortification detatchment.

>>50558951
Wrong. SM still have access to AP 2 in the form of plasma AND AP 1 with melta. Grav needs to fulfill a different niche.

Is it true that IW can't take marks on non-unique characters now?

Asking because I normally run a juggerlord and this may fuck with my awesome conversions.

Just make grav do nothing against vehicles except cause a terrain test or something.

>>50558378
>he actually buys models
>he actually builds them
>he actually paints them
>he actually plays

You're doing it wrong. /40kg/ is where people come to pirate the latest shit to moan about it and people like Carnac to exist purely to shitpost about the lore for (You)'s. If you're actually supporting evil Jew Double Jew then you're a good goy.

>Am I memeing right? Do I fit in yet?

>>50558951
Do Riptides even matter that much in the current meta? Tau failed to make the top 4 in ITC this year, and it's not like this is the start of 6th when everyone was trying to adjust to monstrous creatures and flyers becoming alarmingly common.

I do take your point though, so I'll stick to the roll-under toughness idea. Especially if it was so that equal to toughness rolls were failures, which would mean that MEQs only have a 50% chance of taking a wound. Otherwise they'd just be exactly as effective vs MEQs as before.

>>50558985

Grav will fill NO role if it an't even penetrate the 2+ armor of the terminators and Riptides it's meant to shoot against.

>>50558989

Looks that way in every rumor.

>>50557255
Straken + Nork + Yarrick supported by priests, psykers, and guard with lp/ccw/medic is a legit death star. theyll wreck anything and everything that isn't smashfucker or 3++ melee units

>>50558985
Don't forget Lascannons.

There's literally no reason for SM to have yet another AP 2 focussed weapon.

>>50558993

So if I actually paid money for Battlescribe's premium mode, would it fix all those mistakes it always has?

>>50558997
They're Tau's TEQs.

>>50558998
The point is it needs to be changed so it's not meant to shoot against those things, because as it stands, Plasma has NO role, and Plasma is older, more balanced, and more iconic.

You guys are all missing the point. SM players don't want grav to change because then they would actually have to put thought into games.

>>50558985
>>50559006

Because people were taking so many lascannons and plasma guns before grav existed. You guys are fucking morons.

Grav needs a nerf, but if it does happen, you need to nerf everything that people take grav for as well.

>>50559013
What role would it have then?

>>50559017
>Because people were taking so many lascannons and plasma guns before grav existed.
...yes, you fucking newfag. Have you never heard of lasplas teams?

>>50559013

What does that tell you, idiot? It means you need to nerf other shit so plasma becomes good again before you nerf grav. Removing grav doesn't make plasma good again, it just makes marines unplayable except as "how long can you survive" Battle Company.

>>50559017

>he didn't play in the min-max las-plas days

>>50556775
My emprah...
My emprah...
MY EMPRAH!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFHK2a0t6Gg

>>50559023

People took melta and MLs in 5E. Nobody took lasplas except as RB turrets.

If you're going back as far as 4E and before, you're a fucking retard, because you fail to account for literally 99% of the shit in the game right now that didn't exist back then.

>>50559025
but plasma isn't bad
grav is just better in every way

>>50559017
Weren't plasma guns the go-to special weapons before grav for all round usefulness?

>>50559002
Bollocks.

I'm gonna have to check out the rules, because I don't wanna waste my juggernaut bike conversions that I had planned to go with my juggerlord.

>>50559025
>Unplayable
fuck off, tier 2-3 is not unplayable.

>>50559025
>marines
>unplayable
in this man's world the only factions that exist besides marines are eldar and tzeentch summon spam

let us pity him

>>50559026
>>50559023
>implying LCs and plasma aren't to the game back then as grav is to the game now

If lasplas was good, people would take it. It's cheaper than grav. You guys should have been around long enough to have seen the calculations for how many heavy weapon shots it takes to kill a Riptide or Wraithknight. More lascannons than you can fit in an army at 1850 unless you played full troops and triple devastators.

>>50559017
>Grav needs a nerf, but if it does happen, you need to nerf everything that people take grav for as well.
Yes, and? The original question wasn't "how to nerf Riptides", that's another discussion.

>>50558981
This doesn't exist.

Just tack on 30 points of mutant rabble and take the CAD.

>>50559046
>nerfing one tier 1 army and not the other 4-5 just because your own personal vendetta
>the nerfed weapon doesn't even hurt lower tier armies and one of the tier 1 armies
>multiple armies rely on grav

Fuck off. Eldar nerfs would be way better for the game.

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>>50559025
>he plays competitively

>>50559019
I like the previous suggestion of it wounding better the higher T the target has.

Maybe extend it to be very good at immobilizing skimmers too.

>>50559047
>>50559056
>casuals trying to balance the game

Why are you dumb casuals always this retarded? If you're not "competitive" then what does it matter if grav is op?

>>50559050

>I make sweeping generalizations and get mad when people call me on my bull shit

>>50559053
because vehicles and 2+ armour saves need nerfing

>>50559055
>multiple armies rely on grav
marines, marines, marines, marines, marines, admech, and marines

>>50559061
>If you're not "competitive" then what does it matter if grav is op?
gee i dunno

guess there's nothing wrong with the nid codex then, because we're not waacfaggots :^)

The problem isn't grav, it's relentless. If you all cry about grav with movement penalty you're beyond shit at this game.

Also remove grav-amps.

>>50559055
No personal bias except againt people above t4 complaining about being unplayable.

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>>50559061
>He plays 40k competitively with a "holier-than-thou attitude"

>>50559060
If it doesn't have the ap to punch through saves, you might as well take plasma for that instead. Might as well change its niche entirely and make it good against fast units instead.