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Those sterns....
So lewd!

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the hottest stern

>>50548242
someone has been overloading the engines.

>>50548355
I'd overload that Beijing's engines, if you know what I mean.

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>>50548242
>>50548389

I dont get it. Why is everybody talking about these games on the internet like they are a massive thing but I havent seen them plated once and I have frequented a dozen game stores.

>>50548727

Depends where you live. Drop isn't as big as some of the other wargames. The whole operation is like 5 man.

I think it is also much bigger in Europe due to distributor problems in the US.

Dropfleet is still in limbo while it sorts out its kickstarter problems. It has a lot of appeal and press because it was written by Andy Chambers and Dave.

Still waiting on mine to arrive.....

>>50548727
They're new.

>>50548922
Speaking of Chambers, is he a permanent member of the Hawk crew or did he just rock up to write the Dropfleet rules?

>>50548242
>Max Thrust every turn

>tfw you read the KS comments so often you have a mental list of the most angry and loud mouthed fags
>tfw you share a hobby with these people

>>50549277
I think he just helped write the rules.

>>50549277
He's just the writer, much like in the lamented Starship troopers game. Best fucking 28mm scifi game ever.

>>50548727
>>50548922

>tfw I've been dying to get into a spaceships game since catching the tail end of BFG but I live in the US

You damn brits have it easy.

so this shit is balanced or suck as dzc ?

>>50549850
What's wrong with dzc?

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>>50547766
>have to make an account to use the army builder
For what purpose.

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>>50548922

Game is pupular in UK/Europe - fairly small in the US. Similar to how KoW/Mali/smaller games fair. Depends on location (FLSG had 20 player Kings of War tournament last month, but for it's life can't get more than 4 people for Warmachine).

>>50549992
no one plays this shit in EU seriously no one - apart from fat fuck dave

>>50550076
Hello Sheltari

>>50549277
>>50549399

If you go to his facebook he commented on the rules and showed some of the Scourge he was building. Pretty neat!

>all these KS fags acting as if Hawk outright stole their money
Do they honestly think they're never going to get their stuff?

Why'd we suddenly get a bunch of haters again? Had none for like the last 3 threads? Any thoughts?

Battleship xp time!

Due to their proportionately larger signatures, I find myself spending two turns in Silent Running to get position before trying to light up a target.

Beijing-sama seems like she really needs to get every weapon firing. If she's not using her lasers or missiles, she has about the same firepower as a heavy cruiser. Those CAW really shine though.

Not a fan of the Scourge BBs over their BCs. Full Cloak is just an astounding ability.

PHR BBs and BC or CAs serve entirely different roles.

I actually think the Diamond is not really that huge a deal compared to the supercarrier. Bloom means you'll be the most visible thing in the Shatari fleet, and easily focused down even if you do kill a cruiser per shot.

>>50551081
>fagbook group is 70% bitching about the KS and 40% fuckawesome ships

>>50551181
What's the other -10%? A solid understanding of rules, tactics, and strategy?

>>50551219
Probably honestly about 50% awesome ship conversions, paintjobs
30% bitching like mad (NOTE: I haven't gotten my shit yet either, but talking as if this was a calculated betrayal is pretty over the top vs merely 'shit didn't go as planned)
20% newbie questions of newness.

>>50551219
The Resistance Fleet

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My battle ship has arrived I magnetized it too!

>>50551559
>Battleship

>>50551150
Remember that you lose signatures when you finish your turn on standard orders.

So Bloom weapons only give you a hot sig if you also use a special order on the turn you fire.

>>50551559
Bit of a slack jaw, don't you think?

>>50551745
Yeah it is a bit weird looking with the magnet

>>50551794
Anon, I'd recommend either a stronger magnet or some other forms of support, or just glue it.
Maybe a spine of wire extending from the body into a drilled hole in the jaw?

>>50551828
Sadly I'm not that good at modeling... thanks for the suggestion

>>50551585
That's clarified: You only lose signature when you BEGIN your turn. It's part of the typos changed when they did some rules rewriting as part of player feedback phase probably.

There's no way for a ship that fired a bloom weapon to not be at a spike currently.

>>50552094

That makes sense. I am glad that was an error.

Also makes the St Pete a little more enticing now that the Avalon gets a spike.

>>50551243
weaponized mass haulers and space garbage trucks never.

>>50552094
by saying bloom weapon can't avoid their spike, you mean for the turn right? or is that because bloom slaps on a major spike?

>>50555412
Nah, bloom adds a minor spike.

>>50553464
while they would probably be aesthetically pretty cool, it would break the fluff so hard as to be nearing 40k levels of inconsistency.

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>>50551559
I had to.

>>50551243
>alien space resistance that made a huge refugee fleet to escape the Scourge and have refitted their civilian ships for wars
Dreams are still real.

>>50556874
Wark wark wark

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>>50557716
>>50551243
>The Resistance Fleet is just the space station kits, with an extra sprue for engines and guns
>Survive by using ablative habitats

I'm surprisingly OK with this.

>>50557716
look its not resisting if you flee like a little bitch. Any faction of anything which is in a bunch of ships that ran away from the scourge cant be the resistance because they aren't by definition resisting.

>>50558652
Fine then.
>alien ghetto UCM that made a huge refugee fleet to escape the Scourge and have refitted their civilian ships for wars
Same thing in practice.

>>50551150
Have you got any experience with the tokyo or new york BBs?

>>50557716

Thing is, a fleet of refugees that escaped the scourge exists. It's called the UCM.

>>50551219
"guys r8 my phr fleet, i think the perseus is a really good ship and orions suck"

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>phone beeps in the middle of the night
>Shipment Notification
AAAAAAAA

>>50559314
>having a bunch of habitable planets to retreat to
Not shit enough. I'm talking guys who hang around terrible star systems with terrible planets, only staying put long enough to take the resources they need and fucking off as soon as their probes encounter somewhere new. Ruthless survivalists who've only survived this long through determination, planning and pure luck.

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progress continues on the Daemon, it's probably my favourite dropfleet model and the main reason I picked up the game.

>>50547766
When will my KS package come?

>>50560754
Thursday

>>50560767
>tfw Thursday is my birthday.

What do people think is the best way of painting their ships?

I know that I'll probably be doing brushwork as neither the money nor space for airbrushing things, but I'm fairly rusty so I'm not sure what the best ways of doing things will be.

>>50560644
Looking pretty good, anon!
Paint looks a bit rough, could probably deal with a layer of matte or satin varnish.

>>50560796
Drybrush everything.

>guys, guys
>retail is cheaper than the KS
When will this meme end.

New update from Hawk, not gonna repost the whole thing but here's the big points.

>285 pledges left
>ALL of those are Commodore
>if you're not a Commodore and you don't have your pledge, contact them immediately
>contact is [email protected]

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>tfw I might get my Shantae KS pledge before I get my DFC pledge.
So, what are you guys doing while you wait?

>>50560994
Oh, and specifically, all 285 of those are packed, but need to be shipped.

>>50560994
wait does that include late backers

>>50561048
Jerk off, shitpost, complain about GW pricing and balance. Play vidya.

>>50560900
That's the one where where you barely put any paint on brush to start with and wipe some off to begin with yeah?

Anything else that's a good idea? Washes, highlighting?

>>50561123
Late backers have been getting stuff, so I'd assume possibly.

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>>50561165
jesus either way, thanks for the catch anon
i am practically shitting bricks here

>>50560994
>>50561071
>I might get my pledge just in time for Christmas.
Its a Christmas miracle.

What's the verdict on the Scourge Battleships? Are they worth their points, or am I better off sticking with the Battlecruisers?

>>50561418

They're perfectly useable and two scourge torps is terrIfying but the BCs are just ungodly good.

You aren't gimping yourself by taking them but in a competitive environment they're outclassed

Interested in starting dropfleet commander,

How is it compared to Firestorm aramda?

How large is a normal battle, is the starter set considered a small battle?

>>50561071
haha got my notice finally

>>50562036
I think the battleships will develop a more useful function overall when the command cards are released and keeping your admiral alive/having an admiral becomes a more important part of the game. Extra survivability is going to be important as your admiral will likely get targeted right away.

>>50563038
No idea what it's like compared to Firestorm.
The starter fleets are around 550-600 points and the "recommended" size for a tournament game is 1500

>>50563038
It's a different feel to Firestorm - in FA, a ship usually wont get instagibbed in a round of shooting, but it certainly happens in DFC, for instance. DFC is more balanced, but since it's so new there's not nearly as much variety. The rules are less complex than FA, as well - another way to put it is that they're easier to grasp. Part of that could be because, as much as I love Spartan, they can't write a rulebook in a coherent manner to save their lives.

If you liked FA, you'll like DFC. Plus, it has about the same price point to jump in, maybe a bit cheaper, depending on where you buy from.

>>50563038
Like >>50563129 i cant comment on Firstorm armada, as i never played it, havent actually played Dropfleet but from reading the rules and listening to anons here combined with watching that demo game, seems like its fairly similiar to DZC in that its objective based with alot of thinking ahead to make the most of your moves as well as trying to figure what your opponent will do and counter/ limit that.

>>50563038
I've played Firestorm a few years ago and the most recent edition more recently, and I find DFC superior.

Firestorm is about rolling an attack to beat some critical damage values for an enemy ship, to do 1 or 2 HP of damage to it. Weapons go down per hit, so after a while, you're firing wet pillows at each other. Generally, ships end up circling each other in a little broadside age of sail duel. You generally don't get that many real maneuver choices in a game, to the detail that'll decide fights.

Dropfleet is very decisive. Like submarine combat, or point blank WW2 night fighting, where spotting the enemy first or them giving themselves away, and then landing a salvo is devastating. The 'land troops' based objective play is really, really different from anything in the other space fleet games. I also like the aesthetic somewhat more, it's less generic.

Also, the company producing it has a better history.

>@Justin, don't you realize you're being lied to. Hawk staff have been busy packing shipments to Distributors so people who didn't pledge can get product before backers. Seriously considering asking a Federal Judge to issue a TRO blocking all US sales of DFC product until pledges are fulfilled.
THESE
FUCKING
PEOPLE

>>50563428
how butthurt can a scalper be?

>>50563459
whats funny is by the time they probably implemented all that legal bullshit, they would have received their pledge, making it more or less moot.

>"i don't care about a game growing or surviving, I want the models faster and screw longevity of the game or product or quality."

Fuck you.

This is my first miniatures game, as I am now running into this problem I have to ask, what do you guys recommend for storage/transport?

Do I wait for Feldherr's Dropfleet stuff, Battlefoam, or http://gameplusproducts.com/product/flagship-gaming-bag-grey/ these?

Not sure what to look for in a case or even how much storage I'll really need.

>@Alex, the problem is, the ones not seeing the truth are people like you - basically what you said, all in reverse. The fact remains that people don't have their pledges, retail does, retail has been restocked numerous times, and now Wave 2 is on store shelves. That's not a bunch of people thinking that Hawk is lying to them, that's a bunch of people with irrefutable proof they are, and half-knights like you still insist Hawk isn't dishonest.
>@Johan, odds are, you'd probably actually like me IRL, I'm a very easy-going guy (Ask James Ho). I just don't take to being cheated - it is the most personal affront in my view, and since Kickstarter gives no other recourse than to throw childish tantrums, it's just what has to be done because doing nothing is not an option.
>But, think what you will. I got my pledge, sold my pledge, and will never forgive or forget Hawk's mishandling of this and will in every game group or social circle I frequent, always tell people not to buy Hawk products. They made a life-long hater of me, f*ck them, may they all go bankrupt and have to turn tricks on the corner to buy whiskey to drown out their shame.

>Khellposting
>ever

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Just in case anyone was curious as to how much bigger the 2-up is compared to the normal Beijing

The answer is a lot

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>>50565320
Hawk, pls send my rewards soon

>>50564562
Following with interest.

>>50565320
How much does that thing weigh?

>>50565320
That is very cool indeed.

DAVE WHERE ARE MY SHIPS

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Theyre actually going to arrive after Christmas, aren't they? They're going to arrive once I've used all my holiday leave and just start going back to work, aren't they?

>>50565527
Yeah just sell them. That's what I'm going to do when I finally receive them in 2017.

>>50565777
Khell pls go and stay go.

>>50565777
Checked, but for what purpose?

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>>50565230
>Your investment return is running late
>Quick, better throw a bitch-fit and try to ruin the company!

I don't understand. Is patience absent these days?
Yeah, Hawk sucks at shipping. But even though my stuff got here late (and folks here still don't have theirs, you guys have my condolences), I still got it eventually, and at a reduced price compared to what I would have gotten otherwise (not to mention the extras).

I dunno, maybe being alone my whole life has granted me vast reserves of patience, but we'd already waited nearly a year - another month wasn't going to sour it for me.

>>50567076
>I don't understand. Is patience absent these days?
>expecting normie-grognards to be emotionally mature

>>50567076
Honestly, they're more mad about retail (and thus non-backers) getting stuff before backers, and while understandable, that just boils down to "I'm jealous that someone else has something I want, me me me"

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>>50567123
> Looking on in disgust at the whingers and scalpers, yet also feeling a bit embarrassed to have so much in common with them.
> mfw I realise this is how the PHR must feel about the UCM.

>>50567300
>FUKKEN XENOOOOOOOOS
>>[Sphere preserve us]

how do you guys decide on names for your ships? just picking from the known ships in the rulebook or perhaps you've got some sort of naming convention?

>>50567728
Pick a theme for a fleet and pick bames based for that. Even if it's stupid.

>>50567168
how dare more people play this game I'm excited for.

>>50567728

UCM: Not yet decided, probably famous landmarks/people of the cities/surrounding areas of the class namesake

Scourge: Predatory species group/genus/species names. Scutigera, Agelenopsis, Architeuthis

PHR: Culture Names. Ends of Invention, Unscheduled Rapid Disassembly, Lapsed Pacifist, Problem Child

Shaltari: Mathematical jargon and/or something spiritual or cosmic sounding. Transect of Fate, Array of Wonder, Tangent of Loss, Radius of Influence, Voice of Light

>>50567728
UCM: History! History's full of awesome shipnames that are very HFY.
Scourge: Demons/Monsters! There are so many mythological cultural monster types with cool sounding names, that can easily be callsigns without being edgy. (Really, names like 'Blade of Darkness' are edgy trash, while designating a mysterious enemy squadron 'Ravana, Belphagor and Sycorax' seem more interesting.
Shaltari can be all sorts of rude, clearly bragging translations of things probably too advanced for stupid human ears.
PHR can use artifacts of myth, possibly very short technical/procedural type names (also differenciates that a Navy is not just the same theme as their army). Plus possibly claiming credit for any vaguely supermany/philosophic thing in history.

>>50567728
My Scourge are all named after the ocean, sea monsters or other aquatic animals.
Since all the Scourge stuff is just names given by the UCM anyway it really wouldn't surprise me if there are some with downright insulting/stupid names.

>>50567300
It's pretty much how both sides feel about each other. They're both immature retards in their own way.

>>50567168
>they're more mad about retail (and thus non-backers) getting stuff before backers, and while understandable

I totally get that. I'd probably feel the same, if it weren't for ALL THE EXTRA SHIT I got as a backer. Battlecruisers, extra sprues, even the small shit like the dog tag and coin - all that was worth the wait.

>>50567076

People see KS as an elite preorder system, rather than an investment, sadly.

>>50568677
>>50568966
>mfw people still think that retail, even with discount, is cheaper than KS.
>"several hundred pledges yet to ship"
>less than 300
These people need to take an English course, fuck.

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>>50557983
Heh.

"Ok, I'm done deploying my fleet."
"That's... that's just terrain."
"Terrain with ENGINES!"

>>50569561
>hollowed out asteroid as a battleship
>special rule that lets you bombard a sector to hell and back by entering atmosphere with it

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Which PHR battleship should I build with the Heracles or Minos

>>50570541

They're exceedingly easy to magnetize

The Heracles does something unique for the faction

The Minos is a god tier brawler and has enormous alpha strike

>>50570558
>>50551559
I tried to got any tips?

>>50570685
Use a smaller/stronger magnet?

You can play just fine missing the lower hull. It's better to sit and wait and get the magnetizing right rather than locking into one design due to haste.

>>50570954
Thanks

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>>50570492
>Ramming rules are intended as last-ditch attacks for dying or crippled ships
>But for the Resistance, they're just a way of life

>>50570991
Oh Christ.
>special faction rule: ships built out of asteroids can choose to ram, and if above a set hull threshold, it drops a corvette lifepod out that can still fight after the ramming action.

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>>50571046
>The corvette immediately Rams again

>Special rule: "Resistance Ships are always able to ram, even if they have not suffered any damage."

>Aww fuck.

Newfag here, are Simon's lists good. Also, is the scourge faction any good?

>>50572090
Can't say, as I don't have my ships yet.
But Scourge looks good, at least.

>>50569561
Looks like an ork kroozer. Think hawk's been cribbing?

>>50573044
that pictures is from 2009 bro it doesnt have anything to do with DZC or DFC, just neat art

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>>50572797
>I can't help, but I'll post anyway to tell you I can't help

>>50573313
How else can I passively-aggressively bitch about not receiving my kickstarter pledge yet, post on the thread with the guys threatening legal action? I'm just disappointed, not crazy.

>>50572090
>are Simon's lists good
I don't know, care to link them? We are talking about DFC, yeah?

>Also, is the scourge faction any good?
Their heavy ships are terrifying and have excellent CAW.

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>>50571425
>Resistance Ships are always able to ram
> always able to ram
>always

***desire to ram an asymetric station made of ablative habitats and guns into the Scourge lines intesnifies***

>>50572090
In DFC? Yeah, they're pretty dangerous. You definitely want to get close with them and silent running seems to be a mainstay.
Frigates are good, atmospheric is a great skill for a non-strike carrier frigate to have since they're far lower priority targets. They're rarely worth the effort for your opponent to kill unless they have free corvettes nearby.
The heavy options are crazy. Even half cloak is a really potent skill, and I expect full cloak to be far worse.

I dunno who this Simon bloke is and I'm too lazy to find out.

>>50561162
Washes are easy, but you have to do them right. you can make your own washes by thinning paint down with water and a drop of dish soap, or just buy a wash from your local hobby shop. Highlighting can look very good, but it's also easy to fuck up. Noobs are often better off doing a basecoat, followed by a wash, followed by a drybrushing, and then finally picking out any remaining details with a fine tip round brush.

Another day without ships

Rate this list:

1500 Test - 1496pts
PHR - 8 launch assets

SR15 Flag battlegroup (285pts)
1 x Heracles - 285pts - S
+ Fleet Vizier (20pts, 2AV)

SR20 Vanguard battlegroup (410pts)
1 x Bellerophon - 180pts - H
2 x Ikarus - 230pts - M

SR7 Line battlegroup (178pts)
2 x Medea - 78pts - L
1 x Ajax - 100pts - M

SR7 Line battlegroup (208pts)
1 x Orpheus - 130pts - M
2 x Medea - 78pts - L

SR7 Pathfinder battlegroup (208pts)
1 x Orpheus - 130pts - M
2 x Medea - 78pts - L

SR7 Pathfinder battlegroup (187pts)
1 x Orion - 107pts - M
2 x Europa - 80pts - L

Too much launch, or not enough?

>>50577015
No specialist frigates?

>>50577071
I couldn't think what to cut given I was assuming 2 Medeas per 500pts and a troop ship for every 750

>>50577015
Ikaruses are better used in broadside BGs desu, if they're not getting close with their Orion/Europa buddies and using their guns you might as well just go double Bell instead.

Calypsos are always a worthwhile investment, you could dump them in with the Heracles or the Bell.

Otherwise seems alright.

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>>50567728
I am not a terribly original person, so I tend to just take names I've heard before from various sources. However, what fleet I'm playing, my flagship is always named Eisen's Folly. Been doing it for 20 years, no reason to stop now.
Also, I am using /fit/ names for my PHR. It's stupid and silly but it makes me laugh.
>UCM: Halo-esque names - Knock Knock, Smack!, Stop and Frisk
>Scourge: Force of Nature type stuff - Typhoon, Tectonic Shift, Whirlwind
>PHR: Gainsmaster, Squat-thrust, Made It

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>>50577818
>Gainsmaster

>>50577818
>>50577915
It's even better if you make them sound pretentious.

>Unbound Progress
>Balance and Power
>Achievement Through Struggle

>>50577948
A significant lack of gravitas / gainvitas / gravigains

>>50567728
Rock songs for my UCM. Classical composers for my Shaltari, except for Voidgates which are musical notes.

>>50577992
>naming voidgates
but anon, they're not real ships.

>>50578033
Yeah, but I think the humiliation of being named the hemidemisemiquaver is worth it.

>>50577990
The PHR does seem perfectly suited for all the names from the Culture starships, the Gravitas series would be cool on a Battleship with its escorting battlegroup.

>>50573828
Simon's lists are found under the army bundle section on the main site.

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>>50577818
This seems applicable.

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New Ship ideas, GO

UCM Cruiser/BC with Bombardment-caliber weapons designed for space use - i.e. UFC - B - 8000's, but single mounted in turrets for ship to ship use. Has a trio, mounted on the wings and centerline hull. Maybe toss in a torpedo for the Battlecruiser variant, for shits and giggles.

>>50579620
Resistance shit fleet never ever.

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>>50579620
>New Ship ideas, GO

How about a PHR light cruiser with Bombardnent + light calibre banks?

>>50579968
>>50579926
>>50579946
>burger, the post

>>50580073

No, that would be if he ever did one for PHR. That sprue has something like 100 possible distinct variations on it.

>>50579620
given that they would have to increase the power requirment since they are being fired at much higher velocities for space engagement I dont think those would make sense as turrets anymore

>>50580698
Hrm, that's true. So maybe a pair of them in a fixed forward configuration? Basically like a solid-shot burnthrough, but instead of rolling for further damage, it counts as a crippling weapon?

Although at that point we're approaching Halo MAC systems and the like. Could be fun though.

>>50580769
dont forget the number after the weapon is the diameter of the projectile in millimeters so weve already gone past halo in terms of fire power, given that standard UCM railgun turret is 4200 mm or 4.2 m diameter, the length is unknown. That is a huge projectile

>>50581132
length is about the same, UCM rails are specifically mentioned as firing disc shaped projectiles if I recall correctly.

>>50581245
no thats the ground versions, the ship versions fire rectangular projectiles, I presume its an older style of technology compared to the ground based railguns

>>50580178
I count 105. 7 underside optios and 15 distinct broadside options.

>>50579620
WOAH THERE BASELINES, IT'S TIME ONCE AGAIN FOR THE MARCOS BARROS FLEET DESIGN POWER HOUR

SO GRAB A PROTEIN SHAKE AND LEARN FROM THE MASTER

>THE ECHO CORVETTE IS A EUROPA THAT SKIPPED LEG DAY, THAT SHIT ISN'T AESTHETIC. JUST STICK A TORPEDO TO A PLANK WITH AN ENGINE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS

>SHALTARI VOIDGATES GET ME DOWN LIKE SEEING SKINNYFATS THAT CAN'T LIFT. THIS OEDIPUS CLASS BATTLESHIP HAS THE ATMOSPHERIC RULE AND LIGHT BROADSIDES, AND SHOOTS LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER

>SEE WHAT I DID THERE JOCASTA

>WHAT IF WE PUT A DARK MATTER CANNON ON A CRUISER? CALL IT THE EJACULATUS OR SOMETHING

Orbital assault (and the flyer RoW) now gives storm eagles and Caestus the drop pod assault rule

Go

>>50582388
Checked, /dcg/ is now /4kg/, Kek wills it.

>>50582484
>My pledge has successfully arrived at its new destination - maybe I should work for Hawk, I got a months-late pledge re-sold and delivered before they made much in the way of progress with all their outstanding pledges.
>As someone said below, Hawk is a young company...maybe some crib death is in order, does anybody have the number to a good British nanny who can shake a baby like a paint mixer?

>got his stuff
>sold his stuff
>stuff got to his buyer
>STILL Khellposting

>>50582697
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>>50582226
>WHAT IF WE PUT A DARK MATTER CANNON ON A CRUISER? CALL IT THE EJACULATUS OR SOMETHING

I CALL IT THE HARPOON, BECAUSE IT SPEARS FATTIES ALL DAY AND DOES IT WITH A SMILE

>>50582484

Whoops.

If it helps, it's now /hhg/, not /40k/

>>50581448
It's probably because the actual shape doesn't matter for flight characteristics out of atmosphere and rods have more mass than discs, not to mention you don't have to make the ships' magazines as tiny as possible to fit a dropship.

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>>50581245
UCM's newest top secret designs. You heard it here first, kids.

>>50583535
That's a Scourge dropship anon.

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>>50583672

>>50583764
I fucking love that gif.

How do we fix Shaltari?

>>50585148
What's wrong with them? Aside from the whole "Arrogant Hedgehog Douchebag" thing they got going on, I mean.

>>50585148
Fix the aesthetic. The vehicle designers need to learn something called negative space.

Anyone managed to magnetise their battleships yet?

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>>50585388
>implying it's not done intentionally for camouflage reasons

Pic related.
Then again, only the UCM and Scourge are even partially free from awful silhouettes.

>>50586446
>oddly shaped planes of different color, tone and pattern are the same thing as series of consecutively patterned bumps.

You are the 2nd biggest idiot on /tg/

>>50586446
> camouflage
> in space
> at engagement ranges of thousands of kilometers

Nah.

>>50586565
Wew.

It's like you don't understand the purpose behind dazzle patterns.

Tell me, how many guns does the ship have?
Similarly, what armament do the Shaltari vessels have? Some are decently clear, but others less so

>>50586615
Hence, pretending to be retarded on purpose.

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>>50586637
Just stop fucking posting. If you think Shaltarii are using Dazzle camo, you need to gouge out your eyes and shove them up your asshole because you can't seem to see shit.

>people itt don't like the Shaltari aesthetic
>people itt think the Shaltari aesthetic is camo
>people itt don't realize that the Shaltari are covered in gubbinz because they're so high-tech that their highly-ornamental looking stuff is actually optimized to serve a specific purpose

>>50586767
> people

It's one guy.

>>50586782
>not referring to anon in a solely collective sense, with the exception of when directly replying

>>50586767
Shaltari ships are ribbed for her pleasure.

>>50586767
Doesn't justify making the ships look ass

>>50586935
>I don't like them so they look terrible

>>50586935
>opinions

>>50586935
>implying they're not the best looking out of the bunch
>with the exception of the frigates

>>50586952
I'm pretty sure that they are also the least popular of the fleets given the online presence.

>>50587018
Who would want to be an urchin?

And more importantly, who wants to listen to more than the bare minimum of uncivilized monkey shit-flinging?

>>50587064
people would want to be urchins if the ships didn't look so ass.

>>50587117
Urchin here. The ships look fine

>>50587117
The ships are fine except for the frigates.

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>>50587117

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>>50586732
There is literally nothing wrong with space alien geometric pseudo-dazzle patterns.

>UCM might arrive soon
>finally decided how to paint them
You're the best, Anonymous.

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>>50587291
man I hope we get Pungari in every faction. Pungari defectors hero worshipping everyone in retarded ways.
>Jellies face when the pungaris volunteer for brain transplants

>>50587920
It's NOT FUCKING DAZZLE CAMO

>>50590199
Trust the inferior monkey-thing to assume it knows anything about naval design.
[spines rustling in amusement]

>>50590362
Light bulbs don't make camo
[Jimmies rustling in anger]

>>50590199
why does it matter god damn it, some people dont like the designs, they arent my favorite ships ever but they are unique and interesting compared to alot of other alien factions ive seen in space games. I find them to be fairly solid all around, hell even the frigates dont bother me much.

>>50591551
Because if it isn't dazzle camo it shouldn't be called dazzle camo.

>>50590380
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehudi_lights

>>50591573
who said it ever was dazzle camo? It fulfills the same purpose of blurring the outline doesn't it?

>>50592715
>posts pic of dazzle camo
>call it pseudo dazzle patterns
>I totally never said it was dazzle camo guys

>>50592708
neat

I'd like to point out that at spaceship combat ranges it's so far you most likely can't see the enemy and that most of the targeting will be done by computers using energy sigs.

>>50592771
apparently computers aren't good in the future because that's what happens in DFC

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>check Dropfleet on boardgamegeek out of curiosity
>sole written review is "Don't support this game or company, they are dishonest"
>it's fucking Khell
>the rest of his account's reviews are a bunch of other minimum scores for Kickstarter-funded games that presumably wronged him in some way

I think this confirms that he's not a troll, and is in fact some sort of escaped specimen from an attempt to weaponize autism.

I'm a bit sad that all the 10mm Dropzone terrain I can find online is sourced in Britain. I can afford the buildings, not so much the $50 USD shipping.

Are there any decent options in the States I'm overlooking?

>>50592918
Did it get deleted? I didn't see it

>>50592985
You have to click the rating number itself to view statistics, reviews, and comments. I hate that I can't honestly write the game a review that isn't a reflection of some bizarre vendetta until I actually have my stuff in hand and built.

Does anyone have an idea how long they take to reply to emails because I emailed them after the last update and I'm still waiting.

>>50592977
Links? I keep finding American stuff as a Britbong

>>50593009
>I hate that I can't honestly write the game a review that isn't a reflection of some bizarre vendetta until I actually have my stuff in hand and built.

Well, that is the reason why you're better than Khell.

>>50595059
Do bitter vendettas against khell count as being any better?

Got my starter set from Warstore. I'm drooling over these spaceships. Now I just need to find someone to play with.

>killme.jpg

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>>50595643
>Now I just need to find someone to play with.
Same boat I'm in. Wanted to get the starter fleets painted up and do some demo games, but it's too cold to basecoat with sprays. And if I build everything, it starts to look insurmountable and I never make progress.

So here I sit, staring at a large box of goodness with a few ships built, waiting for a warm day. It's a special kind of hell.

>>50594112
They probably have a lot of people to respond to. Give it another 2 days before you get nervous, maybe dig up your order info if you can find it.

>>50592771
dont forget this isnt deep space combat happening light minutes away, almost all combat in the DFC universe takes place in high orbit, and happens at 1000s of km at the longest distance while moving at sub orbital speeds

>>50597175
That doesn't really make a difference to anything that anon said.

>>50594112
I emailed after last update, just got a reply today.

Just read through the rulebook, and I'm very impressed. The rules are light and clean, and the objective-based airdropping format should make for some engaging games. I hope this catches on enough for me to be able to play.

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>>50549948
That is very crisp

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>mfw playing my first game against Scourge with my PHR

I have since come to love my Andromeda squadrons. That PD boost from fighters is crucial.

>>50596331
>tfw plenty (relatively speaking) of players, but every single one seems to play PHR, myself included

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>>50599903
Well, I was originally ALL PHR ALL THE TIME, but the more time I spend with these UCM ships, the more I find myself drawn to them.

Something about them man, I dunno. I caught myself eyeing a DZC UCM starter earlier. Their fleet is like a gateway drug. I'm even starting to admire the curves on those Scourge ships, too.

God damnit Dave, HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

>>50600043
I liked PHR as the least over designed and overly 'busy' fleet, but having got Yoo-see-em and scourge fleets in the starter, I'm impressed with the models. Def growing on me.

>>50587117
There's literally nothing wrong with them.
It's almost like beauty is an entirely subjective thing, amirite?

Special Admiral: Khell
You must shitpost whenever you fail a reserves roll.
After the game, sell all your models to your opponent. You must also tell everyone in the room to do so as well.

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Still need to go over the raised metal bits and redo the yellow dots but shiny purple aside i'm pretty happy with how it's turning out.

>>50603974
I'm in love. Can I have one as a pet?

>>50601267
Yeah, Scourge definitely has the benefit of a coherent style.

>>50603974


I love it, good job m8

>>50604218
>>50604506
Thanks, I think this is easily the nicest model in the entire dropfleet range and the main reason I picked the game up.

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>>50560994
I've still yet to receive word from them

Just got my pledge today. Frankly Im amazed I got it in such a short time after they started sending out emails about correcting addresses since I recently moved from the UK to the US. Im fucking hyped to put these together and try and rope in some of my friends. Ive got a sizable amount PHR, UCM, and Shaltari

>>50603974
I'd go over her raised metal bits if you know what I'm saying.

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>Building Avalon BC
>Fuck up the armor plate on top, mis-aligned ever so slightly
>This means the front set of probes/sensors is off kilter
>Resin wing pods are slightly warped but still workable, albeit goofy looking
>Bottom hull/turret mounting lists to the left slightly
>Say fuck it and assemble it anyways

This thing either has a ton of character, and is obviously a ship that has been around a long time, or it was build by the Nicollum Shipyards Short Bus Division.

>>50606390
It's a """prototype"""

>>50606390
They say there's only one Avalon-class in service, but there's actually two. The UCM is just so embarrassed about how silly the second one looks that they pretend it doesn't exist.

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>>50606487
>The Scourge are overwhelming us! Where are our reinforcements?!
>Sir, a ship has just jumped in - heavy tonnage, a battlecruiser looks like - It's one of ours!
>Thank god, which ship?
>...Sir, it's the Black Hawk Downs

I'm tempted to mount the turrets at odd angles, facing in random directions, and give it a mismatched paintjob.

>>50606614
Congrats anon, there's coffee all over my screen now.

>>50605262
No scourge, anon? Gotta have some jellies, even if its just to blow them up.

>>50594790
Sorry about the delay, finally home for the night. Here's the best group I've found in my search.

https://darkops.myshopify.com/collections/10mm-sci-fi-terrain-bundles

What was that you were saying about American stuff?

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>>50596331
Just be glad you aren't stuck somewhere that a "warm day" is -11F five months out of the year. For once I'm entirely discontent with spending the winter halting my backlog at the assembly stage.

I didn't even get my impulse Dropzone armies fully primed before winter hit, so much for demo games

>>50579946
>>50579968
Every single one of these look like shit.
Massive hull, tiny engines, I hope whoever designed these hangs himself out of sheer shame.

>>50609291
You know what a mock up is, friend?

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>>50609336
Well, I do know about the "mock" part.

DOHOHOHOT

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After weeks of low-intensity shilling, my LGS is actually considering bringing in an order of Dropfleet starters this month.

Praise Spaceball!

>>50610558
Lucky you, mine has spent months giving me excuses for why they can't get any Hawk product. I've given up at this point.

>>50608311
Ive got the starter set amount so that I can demo the game for people with the little scenario but otherwise I really dislike the Jellies. Will probably get some more eventually but Im a sucker for the PHR and Shaltari

>>50612233
>I really dislike the Jellies.

I used to feel that way until I was forcibly assimilated

Dear Backers

>yada yada yada ...

1. Packing Progress

We have packed every pledge that we have from our exports. We are aware that there are some emails that are coming through to us from backers who have received no parcel or no shipping notification, and we are collating these together along with any missing parts to get these packed/repacked/dispatched as quickly as we can. Apologies if you have had no reply yet, we are getting through emails as fast as we can and are recording all the information needed from these or replying with more information requests.

2. Shipping Progress

We have approximately 140 packages of the pre packaged pledges left to ship out (going down as we type this as another few labels and consignment notes are printed off and affixed to another few boxes). We then have the late backer pledges to ship out. As mentioned above, we will be getting back to those people who have been emailing us with their queries as quickly as we are able, and will be resending some pledges that have been returned to us or where there have been address issues. We will be doing everything we can to get all remaining pledges out to backers before the end of this year!

3. Christmas Advent Reveal

Over the next few weeks (in the run up to Christmas), we will be showing off a few images on our social media of a few of the planned releases for the first part of 2017. These include a range of models from both Dropzone Commander and Dropfleet Commander, including Corvettes! These Corvettes will also be shown in updates to backers.

4. 2017

For the new year, we are going to be releasing a range of new Scenarios for Dropfleet Commander along with a tournament pack for the forthcoming year. Each new scenario will be available via a backer update first, and we are hoping to do one every month for the first 6 months. We will have more information about this in the run up to Christmas and the New Year.

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>>50612760
I need dem Corvette renders.

>>50612185
Man, why so shitty?

My LGS brought this stuff into the store without any shilling. They just noticed that the kickstarter was hugely popular and decided to stock up for when people inevitably want to expand.

>>50613215
Not him, but my store is the same way. Their reason, though, is that their main source of income, by a huge margin, is Magic the Gathering. Therefore, they really dont have much of a reason to splurge and pick up DFC, unless I make some serious effort to shill and demo some games.

>>50613289
>Only FLGS within reasonable distance
>Mon/Fri is Magic tournaments, every flat surface taken up by MtG
>Tue/Thur is Yu-Gi-Oh, store is full of little kids and a few creepy older guys
>Can't find time to go to the store on Wed usually
>Saturday has become an impromptu 'Star Wars: Destiny and Dicemasters' day
>No wargammers
>Store has very little in terms of board games, mostly filled with collectible games and 'nerd merch' and worst of all, collectible nerd merch.

I have very little respect for my local game store. Only respect I have for them is the fact that they're apparently making mad money hand over fist.

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>>50613782
>Only respect I have for them is the fact that they're apparently making mad money hand over fist.
Which is, unfortunately, the way it goes. Card games are often times the only thing that keeps our beloved stores afloat - at least, that's how it is here in CA. Miniature gaming seems to be an add-on, included only if the store owner feels like taking a risk. Us wargamers are fickle beasts anon - I don't know about you, but I've jumped from system to system more than I care to admit, and that makes stocking a product hell for a store owner, as you never know when the current big game is going to suddenly fizzle out, sticking you with a pile of unwanted merchandise.

I just wish the Magic fags at my store knew how to work a fucking shower nozzle. I swear these fucks bathe at max once per week.

>>50613215
I'm not entirely sure. The owner has bitten burned in the past by people getting really in to Dust, Wrath of Kings, Robotec, and Heroclix and then abandoning them for the next big thing. I can understand being wary of stocking newer games after that,but even with that it takes literal months to get any special order stock if he can get it at all and he always blames the distributors. I once waited two months for a single Raven A blister, contacted Hawk to verify that his distros stock it, told him that, and finally got my models only for it to happen again with the next order.

He'll leave you waiting for months on end (still no sign of Reconquest 2 or thrFalcon Bs I ordered) and doesn't give you any information unless you bug the shit out of him. It sucks cause I was always really vocal about buying from him when I was a Press Ganger for Warmachine and bought almost my whole WM army from him but he just stubbornly refuses to be any help when it comes to Hawk.

>Yep, it's a great big flustercluck.
>On November 26th they claimed 310 parcels remain - 150 Commodore plus 160 Late Backer and/or other pledges. On Dec6 (10 days later) they still had 285 left, giving them a solid 25 shipped in 10 days. That's pathetic beyond words to describe, and it kind of validates what we've been saying all along - either there's only one person packing (likely an autistic chimpanzee on loan from an ape sanctuary), or they put all-hands on retail and shelved us backers. Seriously, two and a half packages a day average? Hawk sucks worse than we imagined. And we are to believe they dropped from 285 to 140 in three days? More lies, me thinks.

>he's STILL Khellposting
>despite already have gotten and sold his stuff
w e w

>LGS is fucking huge and is the biggest one in the state
>almost entirely Magic since it prints money but they have a massive floor so they support just about every game even the ones that barely move product
>go in to get some paint and ask about DFC getting supported in the store
>apparently there is a sizable DZC community and DFC will eventually get supported

Feels fucking good.

>>50614822
That's weapongrade autism right there.

>>50614822
that guy needs an intervention, hes really really mad about im not even sure what anymore. At this point I think someone must be paying him to sit around and shitpost.

>>50615491
I guess he won't stop until a next kickstarter fails to overdeliver.

>>50615481
>>50615491
>@Jeff, frankly, shut up.
>When something is as mismanaged, late, and disappointing as this project has been, we can whine all we want. It's not to you to trivialize anyone's feelings.

>DON'T TELL ME TO STOP BEING AN AUTIST
>DON'T TRIVIALIZE MY FEE FEES

>>50614822
Did he say if he managed to make a profit on the sale?

>>50615946
I would assume so, he at least broke even.

>>50615965
I remember before he said he was going to sell even if he wouldn't break even, he was that mad.

One of the reasons he's so mad is that he didn't want the Scourge and he could no longer make a profit on them via ebay scalping.

Which class is the worst looking, or most in need of a redesign, in your opinion /dcg/?

http://www.strawpoll.me/11836581

>83 posters
Holy shit, do we become an #officialGeneral once we hit 100?

Putting these ships together is really fucking daunting. I have no idea what is a good fleet composition. I have one Troopship right now since I figure it'd be a good idea to have something that can rapidly deploy forces to the surface. Otherwise I have no idea. Im doing my UCM right now since Im not going to play them constantly but its still making me nervous. What is a good basic overall composition or is it really just per person?

>>50616306
I'm starting with one of every medium cruiser and one Moscow (Commodore pledge so 6 cruisers plus Atlantis) and one pair of each frigate, which eill leave me with more as I shake out what I like. Once the cruiser boxes go up I'll grab another San Fran and a pair of lights of some sort.

>>50616472
Yeah think I'll do that too.

>>50616306

I expect that we'll want about a third of our points at the least to be able to deploy troops, just for redundancy's sake. I'm looking at building two San Frans and four Nawlins from the two starter fleets I'll have, plus some more Nawlins later.

>>50616745
That seems like an awful lot of New Orleans class frigates. This seems like it'd be a a soviet style rush to the surface with the fleet largely not being able to resist heavier ships. I think an Aegis with the New Orleans might mitigate some loses by having a ton of PD

Video from Dave via BoW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaWBI0EWR8c

And the obligatory Khell being a cunt

>So...you can find the time to record videos AGAIN - a lengthy 40m to boot - but never had the time to comment or interact with your backers. Classy, you useless gits.
>First fifteen minutes are all "oh poor us, we didn't understand the scope of what we were doing". Not an excuse, not for any supposedly professional company. Lots of blame placed on the rulebook, how it caused so much delay "for the right reasons", but never acknowledging that retail got shipped with said rulebook just fine. They managed to pack and ship countless retail copies, it shows how much of the manpower really was on retail. And plenty of new excuses why to prioritize retail ("we needed the space" was a new low). Claiming that shipping to retail had no meaningful impact on our pledges, perhaps the biggest bit of bullshit this project has heard yet.
>Icing on the cake is how they spend pretty much the whole video obsessing over time spent, time lost. It's not the TIME that myself and so many others had issue with. It's the lies, the decisions to prioritize others over backers, and the complete community disengagement. A late project doesn't make a shit project - what Hawk did, and didn't do, is the issue.
>"The Backers are the lifeblood of this"...which is why you shit all over us at every turn, right?
>And I love how Dave repeatedly says he understands our anger - tell you this much, he doesn't understand mine. If we passed each other on the street, he might get a sense of it...

>>50617966
What does he hope to achieve from this shitposting?

>>50617990
What do anyone of us hope to get from shitposting? It probably amuses him.

>>50617990
I think he's an agent at this point being paid to shitpost. You could not be this mad at the kickstater it wasbt that horrible.

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>mfw finally decided on a paint scheme for my UCM

THANK GOD
WEEKS OF STARING AT PICTURES AND PAINTING SPRUES HAS YIELDED RESULTS
I CAN FINALLY BEGIN

>>50618968
What is the scheme?

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>>50619050
Not telling.
I'll post photos when ships are done.

>>50619243
in before anon never posts again

>>50619498
What do you think this is, a Fantasycraft thread?

ERMAHGERD SHIPPING CONFIRMATION

>Special Instructions
>Signature required

Fuck, niggas I work. Hopefully I can just leave a note that says just hide it on the porch.

WOOO THIS COMMODORE IS GONNA GET HIS FLEETS MONDAY

>>50620268
I'm so happy for you anon :,^)

>tfw goan home for Christmas
>if my package doesn't get here in 6 days, won't be able to pick it up from dorms for like 3 weeks
AUUUUUUGGGHHHH END ME

>Just watched the video, is Dave a fucking moron?! At least 90% of that shit fest of a beast of war video contradicts the last 60 updates... I really don't have the energy to quote the whole thing, I'll just list a few gems.
>Warren - That kickstarter's been a hell of a thing, hahaha
>Warren - I've noticed one of two comments about delaying the boot camp, the thing about boot camp is this boot camp was planned about a year ago, hahaha. So it was before the kickstarter even launched we had pencilled this in. The boot camps are a long process.
>Dave - You can't move Christmas and you have got a lot of people (off) as a company
>Dave - The printing was slightly late but that wasn't a big reason.
>The entire puff piece annoyed the shit out of me to be honest, instead of posting here, to backers they made another video. The laughing and blase attitude was great, Warren's interview technique - let dave say whatever the fuck he wants and agree with him was brilliant, it showed a lot of journalistic integrity.
>I don't understand how you can be so stupid, have they not learnt anything?!
>TALK TO BACKERS, TELL US ANYTHING, SOMETHING, PLEASE.

>literally posted to the KS 30 minutes after it went public on BoW
>expressly made for the purpose of letting backers know what was going on

Are these dudes mentally impaired, or what?

>>50620597
Well yeah.

>>50620597
>Are these dudes mentally impaired

I thought this was obvious by now.

Quick question as a Commodore backer with nothing funny I should have 3 frigate sprues, and 4 cruiser sprues for each faction sans battlecruiser parts, right?

>>50620686
Correct, yes, assuming that you got one of each fleet in the commodore.

>>50620597
What do they want to know at this point? Everything is nearly out not much left now. What is there to talk about?

>>50621558
They want to be told that Hawk tried to steal their money or has stolen their money. They want to believe that Hawk actually did this all intentionally for... some reason.

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>Oooh, I like that concept - Black Knighting.
>A tale I once heard (may or may not be entirely accurate) was that in medieval times, sellswords and disgraced knights would lack the funds or servants to maintain their armor, causing once-polished mirror finishes to oxidize and turn blackish - which was a speculated origin for the term Black Knight. It fits, here on Kickstarter it really fits. Black knights, once proud and loyal supporters of a project, lose faith in the goal and abandon their lordship creator, swearing off fealty. Us Black Knights wear the garb of our old commitments (in this case, maintaining our pledges when refused a refund), and now fight against the "white knights" who stay loyal to the corrupt lords.

Khell is a gift that keeps giving.

>>50622249
A U T I S M

So, lads, I personally don't like the bases Hawk supplies for the ships. They're a good idea, but they just don't cut it.

What's a good alternative beyond just regular acrylic squares? I'll need to track orbit, spike, and health.

I'm thinking I could get pretty creative with 1.5", 2", and 2.5" square wooden bases with reliefs cut in for health tracking dice (plenty of carpentry tools at home), but I don't know what to do for spike and altitude; maybe another two relief wells carved in for some tokens/beads/pebbles for them?

I figure having a proper, weighty wooden base will help more than light and floaty plastic ones.

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>"wow what a waste of time, how dare you laugh about these delays while your backers starve and suffer without their promised rewards"
>ALL I FEEL IS BITTERNESS, ALL LIGHT IS GONE FROM THIS EARTH WITHOUT MY PLEDGE
>literally incessant Khellposting
I think it's time to stop looking at comments entirely outside of 4chan in case this autism is infectious.

Any fellow Americans know how one might get their pledge package redirected prior to courier pickup on Monday? I can get packages delivered and signed for at my new workplace, but I don't know which entity (Hawk, UK courier, US mail) I would have to contact.

>>50623727
You might just want to send a message to Hawk themselves and see what they have to say. They haven't sent me a message back yet but I saw other anons saying they got replies, and your question should be a pretty simple answer.

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>@Daniel,
>Short answer - no.
>Long answer - I sold it for what I paid, even though I could have asked for more, because more than anything I just wanted to get it gone and out of my life in one easy lump and a fellow backer was amicable to that proposition and a real decent fellow through our dealings. And the money was just released by paypal into my account today, so I took my entire pledge funds and turned it into about $400-something worth of Anime dvds instead. At least that will give me enjoyment, unlike this game.

>$400 dollars worth of taiwanese animation
Can we make Khell our mascot or something?

>>50624949
He's already Kickstarter's mascot

>>50624949
whyd he even back the kickstarter in the first place, to get 600 dollars worth of Taiwanese animation?

>>50623258
Feast your eyes up these!
http://www.themodelexchange.co.uk/shop-7

>>50625762
I want to laugh maniacally with Madrid-chan as she lays waste to entire armies on the planet below.

>>50625762
Thanks for the link, anon! Those look great, but personally too vibrant for me, and I'd prefer to make my own bases if I could. I've got the sheetwood and tools, why not use them?

>I read through the game rules and played a few battles with non-backers ships and found the game to be dull. I am not at all proud of "what I've accomplished". There are some serious balance issues between factions and the "drop troops all the time" makes for a very limited one dimensional gaming experience.
>Fleet activation is more gamey than Battletech with fleet design dictating imitative a. Maneuverability is limited and most battles turn out to be front on dice chucking exchanges.
>I wasn't impressed at all with what "I created".
>Give me Federation Commander, A Call to Arms, X-wing, Star Wars Armada, Firestorm Armada, even Renegade Legion is better.
>@Conclave, While I can't speak for Khell, I am divested of Hawk entirely and my vitriol has just begun.
>Wait until Hawk shows up at conventions, people in game stores ask about the game, and fanboys run demos. I'll be there slamming DFZ over its gamey activation system, lack of balance between fleets, lack of true diversity between fleets, game balance, fragile miniatures that are difficult to assemble, and steer everyone to games made by other companies that deserve to remain in business.
>Until Dave realizes he screwed us by lying and focusing on non-backers, I for one, won't shut up.
>You fanboys best get used to very vocal detractors.

>Being so bad at the game that you promise to sperg out every time it's mentioned

>>50628139
Shame he didn't stay and name his PHR Battleship "Mistake Not My Current State Of Joshing Gentle Peevishness For The Awesome And Terrible Majesty Of The Towering Seas Of Ire That Are Themselves The Milquetoast Shallows Fringing My Vast Oceans Of Wrath"

>>50628139
what sort of objectives do those other games have, besides kill all the things?

>>50628139
>fragile miniatures that are difficult to assemble
What is this sausage fingered moron on about?
I've not had any issues (bar tiny gaps that just needed to be filled in) over the course of making 4 fleets.
I used to mainly play malifaux, now that is fiddly and difficult to assemble

>>50628430
>Difficult to assemble
Only if you play Shaltari, and only if you rush it.

>>50628927
Don't forget the Scourge frigates, the ball joints are bit annoying but not too bad.

>tfw your Perth does all the work
Best battlecruiser, no one else can compare.

ive fallen in love with my pair of theseus cruisers, they do so much legwork, two of them killed of 2 scourge heavy cruisers (fly 1 on each side and unload + close action), 1 troopship and sniped last 2 hullpoints of manticore.

They work well paired with hercules and 2 bellerophons cleaning up ships weakened by the burnthroughs

>>50627763
What about tokyo-sama?

Got my spaceships, no ups tracking email when it was sent but I got one when it was delivered. Weird but oh well.

Kinda regret not getting a BB to go with my fleet but I'll rectify that soon enough