Warhammer 40,000 general

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>>50481790
First for more Warband Colours.

>>50481790
second for TS are shit
SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

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>>50481815

>>50481817
You a shit.

>>50481815
>chaos with hand flamers
>this triggers the blood angel

4th for Blood Angels.

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>>50481826

>>50481829
You think so? Check this out. >>50481763

>>50481829
>>50481830
Tzzeench strike again!

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>>50481837

>>50481849
>silver with very dark blue/yellow chevrons
>this triggers the iron warriors

>>50481826
Well thats some interesting lore right there. Definitely no redeemed Magnus now bois.

>>50481842
I hate that rusemiester with everything i have in me.

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>>50481827
>>Everyone else was saying Dec or Jan

Nobody was saying this. There was a little wishlisting rumor that in Dec they will release a plastic cannoness as "teaser" but this was never reliable.

Kelly said soon and the Raziel guy here on TG came up with the Jan/Feb thing

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R8 my captains

Anon if you have the book does it go into the Thousand Sons numbers? Or explain the retconned Rubric?

>>50481886
9/10

>>50481886
The Relic Blade looks daft with the shield.

>>50481885
No he fucking did not. I said February, for months. Even made a bet with a guy where he'd have to make an all Grot army if I was right.

>>50481877
>artwork from bookof tzeench marines
>1/4 of the picture is a greater deamon of khorn
J..just as planned....

>>50481886
Nice, i love the relic blade/sheild guy, look heroic as fuck

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>>50481892

Thnx anon.

The plasma / fist one is just for fun, the other two I like to use in games

>>50481894

I know but it's a rules vacuum that allows you to take a storm shield with the two handed relic blade.

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>>50481897

>>50481908
WYSIWYG? Otherwise I still don't like the shield.

so /tg/ which of the chaos gods do you think watches over us?

>>50481913
That is liturally an old recycled bit nice work GW, nice work

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>>50481913

>>50481886
Nicely dynamic, nicely varied. Hoping for a great paintjob and basing! Keep us updated, Anon!

>>50481913
Pretty horrifying tbqh

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>>50481922

>>50481790
Has anyone leaked screenshots of the new Daemon stuff in WOM?

>>50481917

Yeah. The sword guy can be proxied to use a power sword , relic blade (the case in the miniature) or the burning blade.

I used that shield because a skull with the halo around it is the badge of my chapter, otherwise I prefer the long shields to the square ones.

>>50481933
I've seen enough henti...
>>50481937
you are dumb

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>>50481933

>>50481918
khorne, it explains why some anons are always so angry

>>50481945
Well that makes it a bit more excusable. The other 2 look pretty dope though.

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>>50481937

>>50481918
Khorne.

Explains the nerdrage.

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>>50481968

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>>50481790
I painted my first model in roughly 5 years yesterday. It took me roughly 4-5 hours, and I have 39 more of these bad boys to go. What do you guys think?
kill me

>>50481950
This is a nicely vibrant scheme. If only there was a way to base these miniatures in a fitting manner! If only there were worlds that they frequently would inhabit that could be decorated wildly different with a lot of visually interesting elements, based on the whims of the creator!

>>50481968
>>50481979
Doing Tzeentch's work.
Thanks!

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>>50481790
I started to collect Tau some time ago, shortly before the Riptide was released but the loss of my job forced me to stop.
I'm planning on getting back into it with an all robot Tau army. Just the mechs of all sizes, no tanks or footsloggers.

I've heard a lot of opinions, both good and bad, about it and was wondering where the truth is. Would I been seen as a WAAC player or something?

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>a unit of 11-20 blue horrors generates 2 warp charges instead of 1

>>50481981
Not bad/10 honestly.

>>50482007
Cause I didn't link to you I'll ask again.

If you have the book does it go into the Thousand Sons numbers? Or explain the retconned Rubric?

>>50481981
Pretty ok

>>50482007
>still can split after pinks are wiped out
>forced into one big group
silver linings

>>50482003
Not if you do it in a fun way. (Ergo, not too many Riptides/Stormsurges.)
Also, make sure you find a fun theme to tie the robot army together!

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Rate my fluffy Blue Berry?

From a lore point of view, he's a rogue Shas'ui that was disowned by the Tau Empire and now he can be glimpsed on the skirts of the battlefield lending aid in whatever way he can. He loathes the Ethereals and their practices, but endeavours to work towards a true greater good.

>>50482019
I don't have the book, just posting leaks.

>>50481895
Do you know what's coming?
Or is it just 'Sisters'

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Working on an illustration of a Salamander. If anybody here notices something off about the armor details that's particularly... heinous I guess, I'd appreciate it.

Or flame my ass if this isn't the kind of thread for this stuff.

>>50482010
>>50482024
thanks guys, I honestly thought it would turn out a lot worse since the only other models I've ever painted were some battle for mcgraig(?) nids I did when I was like 13-14, and they are truely the embodiment of underage fags painting models. 0 attention to detail, no thinned paints etc. For these guys I'm going for a wild west in space sort of feel, I'm pretty proud of myself desu

Can anyone post the contents of the new Deathwatch box?

>>50482038
It looks nice, but you might want to add some sort of feathers to frame his face or some other touch to make his silhouette more imposing, to add weight to him as a character. That, and to make the base nicely decorated, so that it makes the miniature (ironically) stand out.

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Combined Admech codex confirmation/release date fucking when

>>50482049

Typically terminators carry their ranged weapon in their right hand and powerfist on their left.

>>50482049
Very nice. The shapes of the Terminator armour is a little too... womanly, i'd say. The roundness of the knee joint particularly.
Also, you might want to add some iconography, or piece of scale-mail; I thought it was a Death Guard. Be sure to post your progress, anon!

>>50482064
thats obviously a genestealers cult guy jangling the keys to those pimpmobiles they had a long time ago

>>50482052
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Deathwatch-Overkill-EN
This box?

>>50482051
Cool
Also, you can ask here for painting techniques and tips, and in your games workshop store I assume too

>>50481981
Just learn to batch paint and you'll be able to do all 40 in about that time.

>>50482064
Dark Mechanicum.

>>50482077
>>50482096
>xenos or chaos
>getting more than 1 new release/year

kek

>>50482081
No, the new box set for Christmas.

>>50482030
At least they can't generate from Daemonology anymore.

>Possession look I get a D-Thrister AND 22 Blue Horrors

>>50482107
Abaddon is coming in January, so you're already wrong.

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>>50481895
And WHO are you? Or why did you said Feb? Is it just a feeling or do you know... mooooore?

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A death star command squad I'm assembling just for fun and casual games.

The apothecary is missing and the guy with one arm is missing the banner, as I dont yet have a command squad box for the parts.

>>50482116
How does that make me already wrong, retard.

Abaddon coming in January would mean that there was one release for Chaos in 2017.

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>>50482087
Yes you can, that is what we are here for.
But it might be good to take a look at one of the painting .PDF's in the OP, >>50481790
to get a general grip of the process. You can also check the Games Workshop painting YouTube channel, https://www.youtube.com/user/GamesWorkshopWNT/videos

Also, when painting Tyranids, there are some simple management techniques you can get into when painting to make it quicker and easier, such as painting 10 of the same body parts at the same time. 10 heads, then 10 torsos, and so on. This is substantially better than doing one miniature whole, at a time.

>>50482134
A year is 365 days. There's already been one Chaos release in the last 365 days prior to Abaddon coming out. So you're wrong.

I'm thinking about finally starting 40k in a few months after being a fan of the fluff for 10 yrs (and playing WM/H and Malifaux on the tabletop) if I manage to save some money. How viable and expensive would and army of Deathwatch with some Inquisition be?

Thinking about some Henchmen in Chimeras or Razorbacks for numbers and some Ordo Hereticus guy to fuck psykers or Coteaz from the Inquisition, and getting the DW side of Death Masque plus maybe the new battlebox, or some flyer shit.

>>50482131
If you're buying the Command Squad just for the Apothecary set and the banner arm, you might want to consider buying these pieces individually from bits sites such as Bits n Kits or Bitzbox.
I can't vouch for Bitsbarn
You better do justice to those bases, anon

>>50482149
The year starts in January you heathen.

>>50482168

Deathwatch are one of the easiest armies to get onto the table quickly, because all their units are expensive to field.

Although, surely your Inquisitor should be Ordo Xenos?

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A mini of my inquisitor in power armor.

To be used in roleplay games and tabletop as well.

I will make a retinue with maybe one other space marine, servitors, an eagle etc....

The smoothness of the armor is done on purpose so I can paint details on it, and also because it's a basic mk 8 power armor that he shouldnt have in the first place.

The bolter is a relic he has that a servitor carries, and he only uses to shoot menaces from three feet away, hence why it looks so out of proportion.

He mainly gives orders and is on good terms with my custom chapter.

This means this miniature can be proxied to be an inquisitor, but also a veteran in a command squad, a sternguard or a sergeant in a tactical squad as well.

>>50482170
>Saturday, January 28
>Chinese New Year 2017
Checks out.

>>50482168
Are you getting these d00ds just for painting, or for playing too? You might want to make a list first, then buy according to the list. Kind of like making a shopping list actually
Also, Forge World stuff is generally quite expensive, but your army might overall be cheaper than other armies since you'll have less dudes with more equipment. Kind of like the Grey Knights.

>>50482169

I'll look into what looks good with dark purple armor, but I'm not a big fan of giant bases crammed with shit. I'd rather have standard bases on all my miniatures, regardless of how unique they are.

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>>50482170
Yes, 2017 starts in January, but January is not a year after the last chaos release.

>>50482058
I was considering making his Com-device (which he has engineered to listen in on Tau com traffic) and his braid a shade of Red to contrast the skin which will be Blue to frame his face.

>>50482130
I'm Anon. :^)

>>50482168

Deathwatch is very viable economically but its hard to win games if you dont powergame and minmax, because almost all models are one wound and they have arguably the smallest model count army (tau powergamers aside)

>>50482198
That's a good attitude to have, smack-filled bases can easily bring a miniature down.
But just a bit of sand, paint, shade and pigment makes a model significantly more delicious, anon.
Grass might be too contrasting if you're going with purple, an arctic tundra might work with it since there's blue tones, but a dusty, orange sandscape might be just right.

>>50482208
If there was only one Chaos release in 2016, and only one Chaos release in 2017, then that means there was only one chaos release per year, you fucking mongoloid. The fact that they were released a month apart is irrelevant.

I can't believe we're arguing over a joke post

Also you could've shut my argument down a lot easier by mentioning that Chaos literally just got BOTH Wrath of Magnus and Traitor Legions

>>50482184
This sounds daft, but he looks TOO much like a marine to be an inquisitor. I would've used an IG head.

>>50482229
Sounds nice. Depending on the rest of the colour scheme, you might want to make it a more purple-burgrundy red, think Farsight so it doesn't contrast *too* much.

>>50482244
Traitor's Hate, Wrath of Magnus and Traitor Legions.

But I'm just having fun arguing over stupid shit. I am an easily pleased person.

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And last but not least, I'm assembling all overkill models with helmets on.

I tried to be as lore accurate as possible, so all models have fluffy helmets.

The helmet on the White Scar is the equivalent of the one he has on his bike in the original model.

I still dont have the Dark Angel helmet or the Iron Hand miniature.

I'll try to get a FW night lords maximus helmet with a skull for Cassius

>>50482181
I always had a boner for Hereticus, but Sisters belong to the kitchen. DWs color scheme is cool and their new models look sweet, and relatively low model count is a huge plus.

>>50482194
I'm mostly interested in playing, painting was often just a chore for me (thank all the Malifaux undead for that).
Haven't made any lists yet, not even read the full rulebooks or anything, just planning in advance. Codex: Imperial Agents might change some of those plans though.

>>50482253

I'll paint it in blue or dark red with imperial / inquisitorial symbols.

It is based on oldhammer, when inquisitors had terminator armor and weird patterns painted on them.

It's also clearly inspired by Silas Hand from the Daemonifuge comics

>>50482235
I have nothing against powergaming and minmaxing as long as the army looks cool in the process. Was seriously considering starting orcs when Nob Bikers and Battlewagons were the shit, but ended up spending my money on more Malifaux as I haven't had time for two games.

>>50482275
Reading the rulebook is my recommendation, it gives you some thoughts as to what parts and aspects of the army you like and want to reflect in your fighting force.
Also, i implore you to atleast prime and basecoat your minis, it looks significantly nicer, takes little time, and might save you issues with sniffy GW or game store employees.

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Guys, I've re-started this game's campaing for nostalgia' sake, but I don't remember what was better for Bjo-Davin Thule, if full melee or full assault cannon.

I ask here because this game's general is now long dead.

>>50481826
I actually like this one

>>50482342

The problem is you'll have to spend a fuckton of money to buy bits to build your army

Deathwatch is not good unless you specialize absolutely everything.

This means for example you'll have to buy three extra frag cannons for each 4 frag cannon unit you want to make.

Also you'll probably be better off running them as allies to Imperial Guard because that can give you meatshields.

It sucks to spend a fortune on three terminators and five marines only to see them get rekt in the first turn because they only have one wound.

>>50482037
>not too many Riptides/Stormsurges
One of each of the big ones to much?

>>50482348

That assault cannon is the absolute best gun he can have.

You can rekt everything in the game just with him at a distance.

>>50482233
so you just guessing

I need a marine colour scheme that really gets across the idea of 'We're going to cut off your heads because we can." Any suggestions?

So that spell which gave +2 to existing inv save was a joke?
I can't find it in warzone fenris book.

>>50482380
Honestly, started as shitposting, turned into honest guess when the first rumours started up.

>>50482368
Depends on the point ranges. If you're under 750 then yes, it is too much, but if you're above 1250~ i'd say it's fine. But WAAC is mostly an attitude, people can tell who's a nice d00d and who is a trihard.

Would TSons be good if you play at 4000 points?

>>50482381

Red armor black helmet

White armor red helmet red "bloody pattern" neckpiece

>>50482381

Flesh Tearers.

>>50482381
Flesh Tearers, or Flesh Eaters.

>>50482399
>implying you can't be a nice dude and a tryhard
Some people really just get the most enjoyment out of the game when it's played in a competitive way. It is really easy to be a dick about it though. There's a fine line2

>>50482381

>>50482411

Better off:

Bright silver armor, intense red helmet, intense red "bloody pattern" neckpiece (or upper chestpiece)

>>50482377
Ok thanks!

I was feeling a bit awkward for asking about the videogame here, but I'm glad I got the answer

>>50482381
Sons of Malice.

Marines gotta eat somehow!

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Getting into the game.

How should I paint my Admech?

I don't want to go with straight up red because I mean, what's the fun in that.

>>50482454
All of those schemes are shit
no i dont have any better ideas

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>Model Magnus barechested with abs out
>Tzaangors all posing
>ExSorcs all with flamboyant colours
AWAKEN, MY RUBRICS

>>50482454

Call me edgy but I like the Blackguard scheme

>>50482454

Bone white with dark red details, as opposed to dark red with bone white details

>>50482030
>Silver linings
>silver tower models
kek

>>50482454
Ryza, or Hazard. Same thing.

>>50482465
I wasn't necessarily considering any of the schemes from the picture, I'm just looking for suggestions.

>>50482381
Executioners, Flesh Tearers, Blood Angels Death Company, unless you want to make your own scheme. You can look up how people paint their Crimson Slaughter CSM to get some great inspiration.

>>50482454
Dark yellow with black trim and gold accents.

>>50482433
This. The guys I play with at my store are all pretty competitive and play to win, bUT theyre all chill people. I'm fine with that because I end up learning a lot more about the game.

>>50482038

Looks good but the lack of helmet is heretical

Is there something that can be considered particularly Slaaneshi, model-wise?
I'd like to find something to differentiate my noise weaponsless Noise Marines from the generic CSM, so I was looking for something like feathers for Tzeentch or bloating, pustulous bellies for Nurgle
and BDSM equipment over the armor is more DE than Slaanesh

>>50482553
Tentacle limbs

>>50482553
A single tit, modeled as boob plate on one half of the chest.

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I'm going for a Dark blue scheme for my DE, what's a good complimentary colour for a Coven?

Any Wych Cult would be Orange/Yellows

>>50482454
No 8 is very very nice, go for it

>>50482553
Left breast is Slaaneshi.
I'm not magical realming or exaggerating. you see it as a running theme on a lot of slaaneshi models.
Crab claws too if you want to model a mutation.
Big speaker mouths and black beady eyes too.

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Maybe features that express ecstasy? Nude bodies draped over tanks in states of hypnogogia, slaves in chains tasked with pleasuring the warriors as they fight?

>>50482606
Wrong thread or just slaaneshy cultist?

>>50482553

Buy raptor and warp talon shoulderpads, torsos and heads.

Also posessed shoulderpads and some legs

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>>50482454
I like this one, but paiting it would be pain in ass.

>>50482619
He's answering this guy. >>50482553

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>>50482553
>>50482606
>>50482619
h-aha-ha

>>50482585

Green, red, purple, black, white, silver

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>Look for the plotline of 8th Edition to wind it’s way to Mars, seat of the Adeptus Mechanicus.
>Upon it’s surface the Emperor has laid a grand plan millennia in the making.
>Which only his returned sons can complete.
>An ultimate tool to cast down the Ruinous Powers.

Thoughts?
http://spikeybits.com/2016/12/8th-edition-40k-rumors-secret-weapon-of-mars.html

>>50482007
Could you post the brimstone horrors, for the full demonic house please?

>>50482629
>>50482606
i come to this thread to learn about warhammer not to get turned on you bastards.

>>50482394
So everything comes back to square one and I was fully justified in posting Laughing Mr. Burns in the last thread as there is no Plastic Sisters coming.

>>50482553
Add tits? Add various bits of naked people skewered on your iron halo? Give your iron halo tits! Or, model a sound cannon that looks only like a vagina. Going the alternate route, include loads of weirdly colored syringes injecting into the models or maybe give them a cocaine nose for the lulz. Or, better yet, just give them a big ol power dong. Strapped right to their crotch plate. Count it as an unwieldy power weapon.

>>50482649
http://g.e-hentai.org/g/899306/58c8dd4d36/
Anyhow Officer, there's no cultists around these parts!

>>50482650
Well GW themselves put out a thing saying they were coming, so not really.

I just happened to shitpost at the right time.

>>50482579
Personally I've always found that to be more Tzeentch. Look at the new sorcerers, for example

>>50482583
>>50482601
That's certainly the most basic idea, but probably the most difficult to make "tastefully" so that it doesn't appear a bit ridiculous with the boobed power armor
However the claw can definitely work on a couple of them, that's for sure

>>50482606
Were you answering to me?
If that's so, I was already thinking of adding things like that on the vehicles

Thanks to you all for the answers

>>50482553

Speakers are a really Slaaneshi thing.

>>50482666
t-thanks anon. ive read it before but i do love my aheago.
back to the matter at hand tho. Not original anon but im a bigger fan of the excess part of slaanesh than i am the sex part so anything along the lines of people going to far in the pursuit of their pleasure such as making them look drug addled might be good for slaanesh units

>>50482508
Dark yellow/black/bronze might b cool

>>50482592
I like it too, but not sure I'de have the skill for it.

So I guess I might be getting back into 40k since it looks like a few of my friends want to do this team tournament thing. How are the necrons these days? I still have my army and I don't really want to start a new one.

>>50482752
i was thinking about bronze but it might be to brownish.

>>50482734
>like people went too far
How much do you have to hump to start chafing? Some meat-chafe might be really effective

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>>50482467

AYY AYY AYY AYY

>>50482801
i think it might take a bit anon go test it for yourself :^)

Quick Question about 1kSons.

Can regular Chaos Sorcerers and Daemon Princes use Divination and Telekinesis now? Or is it just the Exalted Sorcerers?

Also, does the updated Discipline of Tzeentch work for non-Thousand Sons armies?

>>50482813
But Anon, i couldn't possibly achieve this myself, maybe you would care to lend me a bodypart?~

>>50482810
How could I make my playstyle "JoJo" ?

>>50482865
daemon familiars? credit the pyschic powers to them and kitbash a stand to fill its slot?

>>50482865
Familiars + biomancy?

>>50482907
>>50482914
Fuck yes. Custom cards all with named stands and the name of the actual power in brackets. I love it.

>>50482553
Well aside from sex and nudity, which is the obvious route, the thing that I think best expresses Slaanesh in model terms is luxury. Things like big luxurious furs, ornate polished armor. Bling of all sorts but not the psychedelic kaleidoscope of Tzeentch. This would also cover elaborate black bondage gear stuff too. Purples, Golds, Blacks, Whites and Flesh. This is cleaving more to the original Emperor's Children look, but I think it still works for Veterans of the Long War. It gels with Noise Marines too if you give them the old Glam Rock-y style rather than stretched skin, strung out junkie look of recent models.

>>50482454
Ryza Orange.

>>50482553

Studs, black leather, whips, sabers and recurved weapons, noise weapons, black + bright color, screaming faces, gruesome implants / modifications. Hooves and other mutations. Fur and rich capes. Ornate armors.

So, a saintly kind man that I know is painting some Marines for me for free. Hes a professional and I'm just giving him the ork stories from battle of Verdos. I'm getting some third party bits from anvil to roubd out the fluff. The army I'm doing is a renegade SM chapter that relies heavily on scouts and concentrates rare equipment on members who can generate the black carapace. Anyway, what are some general etiquette rules for asking this guy to paint my stuff? Also what's a good paint scheme for these stealth Marines that incorporates grey scale and a shade of light purple?

>>50482077

Up the brightness and that arm has all the distinctive joints, servos, and studs of a Mechanicus arm.

This is some Skitarii or something arm holding jangly keys.

>>50483035
>Up the brightness and that arm has all the distinctive joints, servos, and studs of a Mechanicus arm.

Citation requested.

>>50483051
no, just paint.net or similar free program.

with my broadsides should i go full missles or use thew rail gun, rail gun seems a bit pointless really

>>50483057
The burden of proof is on you, faggot.

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>>50483051
>>50483057
>>50483091

Best i can do in the minute of time you are worth.

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>>50478979

>I don't know what the Peltasts do

Secutarii are Forge World Skitarii. Hoplites are Haywire lancers, while Peltasts are essentially Skitarii Sternguard; Skitarii with neat guns and lots of weapon profiles.

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>>50483091
>he hasn't seen it.

Hah.

>>50482639
It's a planet sized Ullanor Ordinatus.

Strength:DD

Bringing the Emperors beats to xenos and Heretics, one system at a time.

>>50482064
>That Mechanicum Key like the power axe
>That half robot, half hunched seer looking hand dangling it

Im gonna go out on a limb and say Dark Mechanicus, or CUSTOMIZABLE SEERS

>>50483146
>Sources tell BoLS
Not worth discussion.

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>>50483104
>>50483120
Thanks anon.

So are the claws something the Mechanicus usually has?

What do we think it is? Tech-Priest servo arm?

Im personally hoping the keys mean that we're getting either some kind of vehicle or a long range weapon.

>>50483151
>GW releasing Dark Mechanicus when Admech isn't even a complete army yet
>GW releasing ANOTHER army when Orks, Tyranids, SoB, Deldar, etc are all still shit

Anon that's a stupid fucking idea and it sounds exactly like something GW would do

>>50483132

Now that the Space Faggots are confirmed chaos, will the Imperium purge them once and for all?

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>>50483165

>>50483151
Nah son, arm looks like the Admech tech dominus. If it was Dark Mech it would have gay Daemons and shit all over it.

>>50483165
In 40k keys are symbolic of secret knowledge, same with librarians.

>>50483177
If DarkMech is going to be a thing it would probably be a supplement, anyway. I would be all in for that.

>>50483165
Special Rule: We make all your shit, faggots.

If your detachment contains any model with this special rule, then you can take any vehicle (Except the Baal Predator) from the Forces of the Imperium in their usual Force Org roles.

>>50483223
Yes please. The Space Marine and Guard players attempted to prove their "superior war machines" to me the other week. Not only did they lose, they lost with the stuff WE built and gave to them, and maintain. Where's the gratitude....

Although watching the Chaos, Nid and Deldar players defend me over it in the ensuing fluff argument was oddly cathartic. Maybe this is my reward for playing fluffy Skitarii lists and hopefully not being a WAACfag?
Thanks, guys.

>>50483165

Looks like a Dominus arm. It looks like he's dangling jangly keys to the amusement of a cherub servitor that is yet to be pictured.

>>50483177
Dark Mech seems more like a thing Forgeworld will end up doing.

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>>50483299
Ayy

>>50483223
>>50483265
A lot of Marines make a fair amount of their own stuff.

>storyline all coming to focus on Mars

Year of Admech is here boiz

>>50483319
You mean made by loaned out tech priests and admech trained tech marines.

>>50483177
Thats the only reason why i say darkmech. Fleshing out Admech would make too much sense, and GSC limo would make too many people happy.

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>>50483326
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>>50483307
The holy filename speaks truth.
Fuck you, Primarchs.

>>50483319

That they do, but somehow I feel the Ultramarines are not known for being overly blessed with skilled Techmarines. Also after my Dominus soloed his Spartan it slightly put the wind out of his sails.

>>50483326

So, this.

>IA14, 30k goodies
>Combined Codex
>Possible DarkMech supplement.

Toss in some unique characters in these, my mechanical body is ready.

>>50483326
More like year of not-Xenos (i.e. every year). Going by the rumors basically everything Imperial and Chaos will be important.

>>50482458
I'll just be using them as Cultists probably. Stick some flamers on and go to town

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>>50483356
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>>50483193
Thats what i meant by seer, i dont keep up with admech names. I run Kroot/Vespid/Gue'vesa so i spend enough time explaining NO i dont cheese, not studying names.

>>50483132
So did they warp the planet to where Midgardia used to be or did it appear next to Prospero?

>>50483387
Ah, I see, Magos is the work you are looking for.

Same kind of word but a Seer sounds morel like the title of a member of a Telepath house.

>>50483406
Prospero

>>50483406
I think he just put it back where it was

>>50483364
Heretic and Heathen shits btfo, Omnissiah4lyfe

>>50483350
>GSC limo
Doesn't really fit the theme of miner GSC we got now.

>>50483461
Unless they expand it to be a 'civilian' theme.

Limo smells more like FW anyways

>>50482629
Tell me that's not jynx porn

>>50482077
Hes just bragging about stealing the ork deffrollas.

>>50483484
that's not jynx porn

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>>50483132
>tfw TS and SW are next door neighbors now.

Is there a tau player here that can tell me what the tactically advantageous sides of Breacher and Strike teams are?
Should I favour one over the other? Act offensively or defensively? I haven't touched Tau since 4th

>>50483481
It makes more sense for cults to be from the lower classes anyway, the Imperium works like "1984" where the upper classes are watched like hawks for any hint of sedition, whereas the lower classes are kind of left to their own devices as long as they meet their quotas and don't start shit.

>>50483425
Ah, thank you kind anon. Like i said, not my expertise. Was thinking of running Mech with my tau, but i think Renegades&Heretics will be more fun.

Plus I'd like to houserule myself that my tau shit brix when someone morphs, and just scatter. 'No experience with the warp' and all.

Sorry for the paragraph, had a dog die in my arms at work due to a heroin addict boss, so im now jobless and really bummed, enjoying debating over tiny men.

>>50483517
Your breachers are going to be object holders, more shots the closer folks are. Zoom them in with Darkstrider, and camp.

Your Strikers are line troops with further range(unless you use carbines like a pleb)

>>50483461
>>50483481
>>50483533
The limo is actually directly referenced in the Codex. It directly says they make use of any vehicle they can get their hands on including "civilian stretch-cars".

>>50483533
The limo really falls more under crime lords and gangsters than actual upper class.

>>50483146
Cypher calls DJ

Dark angels are the top loyalist beat droppers after all.

>>50482454
Go shiny. Everyone wants to be dark, so ride shiny and chrome.
Also, go CULT, you get a cyborg pope.

>>50483578
Crime lords would make terrible cultists, the last thing you want is the Arbites to bust down doors and find people with chitin on their faces.

It's all about keeping a low profile until either the big beasties arrive, or if they are strong enough to stage a coup.

That's why they work extra hard at their jobs, the powers that be are less likely to take a closer look if everything is going well.

>>50483563
Darkstrider seems like a good boots on the ground style leader, so he's a must.

Question. If I mark a target with 4 markerlights and then use two of them to improve our BS, does that stack and carry over to the overwatch shots, or do I need to use the last two markerlights?

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>>50483605
Here's a low quality pic, but you get the idea. I based with bronze spray paint. Saved loads of time and effort.

>>50483588
Mechanicum DJs are able to produce beats that fix robots and make them stronger. Their beats can influence reality itself.

Come back when Cypher is able to tear down an impenetrable fortress through the power of dank tunes.

>>50481913
Wasn't this in the old WHFB Beasts of Chaos army book?

>>50483640
How drunk were you when you posed those sentinels.

>>50483616
Idk, an above average day seems to me like something an inquisitor would still blam someone over.

>'your quota was 5 tons of dirt. Why are there 5 and a half? Are YOU going to haul the half a ton on your shoulders? We will see if you can, LOAD HIM UP.'

>>50483640
>Here's a low quality pic
>7mb

>>50481979
>See another really expensive book in addition to your main codex and this expensive supplement

>>50483666
Filesize =/= High quality

>>50483385
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If I have 3-4 Bullgryns base to base in front of a Demolisher, does it give the Demolisher cover? And if yes, does it give cover to the enemy as well?

>>50483663
I like them, it's like a unit of Sentinels given to Chem Dogs. One is just staring into the sky, one is trying not to fall over, another is trying to peek around a Kataphron

>>50483687
If it's 25% obscured

>>50483687
Yes and not if the firing weapon clears the Bulls by 25%.
So, your tank gets cover, but the enemy will if you fire anything hull mounted. Your turret weapon will fire as normal

>>50483682
I know anon-sempai, i just thought it was funny to point it out :3

>>50483687
They give cover to the demolisher yes, 5+ cover from obscuring it and another +1 for the slabshield bonus.

The second point depends on if the gun can trace a clear line of sight to the enemy, if the gun is higher than the Bullgryn then you are fine. And at worst, they will get a 5+ intervening model cover save, they don't benefit from the slabshield

>>50483723
>>50483704
>>50483694
Thanks guys.

>>50483664
I don't even know how to properly tell you how wrong you are.

The aren't enough inquisitors to bother with that, it's like assuming the ATF raid people who use to much TP while the neighbours are selling rocket-launchers off their lawn.

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As per an earlier thread.. I wish I had the models for this. 14 S9 large blast ordnance barrage shots with ignores cover or tank/monster hunter scattering all over the place and 14 shrieking psykers in the flimsiest possible packaging.

>>50483752
No, they just send someone to give the premises a once over when electric is a little too high, even if the electric company meter is fucked. Something i really dont think would be rare in a society that shoots you for knowing your enemy.

>>50483752
>>50483779
And if not an inquisitor, a supervisor or overseer, which the fuck ever term youd prefer

>>50483763

Not ITC legal, since by those rules you can't spam the same detachment more than twice. Are there tournaments that would allow this?

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Why does everyone say these guys are bad?

Sure, they're going to die if they get shot at. But they're melee focused guys in a primarily shooty army.

Wouldn't they be decent for hiding in/behind cover, then counter-charging the enemy's assault units?

>>50483791
>supervisor or overseer
The ones that DO get blammed if sector productivity falls to low?

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>>50483800
>ITC

Random question

So both Magnus and Mortarion HATE their respective Chaos gods, right?

Well, what's stopping them just giving Chaos the finger and not doing what it wants?

>>50483801
So are Rust stalkers, and they have solid guns and fast robot legs too.

>>50483132

So typical Tzeentch pattern of losing then declaring a side goal to be your keikaku, huh?

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>>50483663
>>50483690
Oh yeah, they're mobile. Their bodies, legs, and feet pivot. I placed all in different poses to display the motion.

Doesn't everyone make motion models?

Pic is me spraying more models with metallic base.
My army is IG Armor and Cult Mech.
Formations make things unfair for opponents. Pask Punisher kills everything. EVERYTHING.

>>50483824

What armybuilding format do you do then, anon? Anything goes except unbound?

>>50483801
No, because other assault units will tear them to shreds. They're way too expensive for what they do.

Most AdMech players run the War Convo anyways, where Canticle-boosted Skitarii units tear things apart in melee. S9 infiltrators and robot-chickens its just ridiculous

>>50483801
The models themselves are hideous.

Give me gas masked and robed dydes who shoot lightning, not some dudes with their eyes sewn shut. This isn't a Tim Burton film.

>>50483841
What's wrong with unbound?

Why became admech such a huge thing? i mean they are cool... but are they rly so cool, that they get release after release?

>>50483807
Have you never worked above production expectations? Ive almost gotten fired for the above and beyond. More work means more logistics and paperwork, more money to ship what you're doing, or a surplus (which depending on your work) that could spoil. Im not saying they'd do it first time, but in this universe anything not within the 'average' sector is either A) Too slow and must be replaced or B) Too efficient for protocol, must be heresy or daemons.

>>50481979
>Blue Scribes and Herald spam as auxiliary
Welp, I'm sold. Incursion is still probably the better competitive option, but this new FBD looks fun.

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What is the best was to field this guys ?
Grav + Phosphor ?

>>50483801
> melee focused guys in a primarily shooty army
> melee focused guys in a primarily shooty game

Melee units rarely work, much less so when they are T3, move 6" a turn and have no assault transports.
It's all well and good to say they are better than your other options, but compare them to actual melee units. A good melee unit needs to be on the same level as:
Wulfen
Thunderwolves
Wraiths
Flesh Hounds
Genestealer Hybrids
Harlequins

If they can't fight an actual melee threat, then they aren't a threatening melee unit.

>>50483829
They are literally a piece of their patron, and their patron a piece of them.

Even Magnus' whole 'fuck tzeentch, im gonna do THIS' is tje plan all along.

>>50483763
I brought this up in the other thread.
It's legal and stronger as a Cadian Battle Group Formation. With the formation it's even stronger.
Add an Aegis for 50 points, give camo and just laugh.

>>50483834
>tfw love TS but hate Tzeentch for this exact reason

>>50483860
Admech was one of the things that GW not only didn't disappoint but exceeded expectations, so I think it's good that they've really blown up.

>>50483829
Because they are spiritually bound to them.

Also pretty sure most of Tzeentch's servants hate him, but they serve Him without knowing. Magnus, Ahriman

>>50483860

It's because they are that cool. People love the look of them. I love the look of them. And they released with pretty solid and fairly balanced rules.

People have also been waiting on models to represent the fighting forces of one of the setting's largest and strangest organizations, long fluffed as being replete with bizarre technological marvels and legions of relentless half-flesh half-tin soldiers.

>>50483873
Depends what you want out of them.

I generally have multiple grav + phospher units as a the main gunline, with a side unit of all plasma + flamers

You get your techpriest the autocadeuseus and attach them to the plasma unit, and they can just slowly walk forward obliterating everything and shrugging off Gets Hot like it's nothing

>>50483862
>A) Too slow and must be replaced or B) Too efficient for protocol, must be heresy or daemons.
Obviously not.

And they aren't packing melons for walmart, it's drudgework, mining, slag-metling, fungus farming in a city where the bottom 20% edge around starvation.

It's all in their lore, they advance to become managers and earn privilege with productivity.

>>50483801
The issue is the T3, I3, 1W, 5++, 5-man squad costs 90 points. If they got an Initiative boost (Electric men deserve I5 at least, I think) then it'd be justifiable, but for the cost it's not worth it.

They exist to crush MCs, but it just doesn't come together. If they had Rending that'd be another story, but as is even just 2 of them to guard gunlines would be money better spent on some more Kataphrons/Skitarii.

I don't mind the Corpuscarii, though I'd like to see them get Tesla or some other boost to the 'drown them in shots' idea.

>>50483891

Even Skitarii get better with their speedy Sicarians.

Corpuscar are somewhat better if you get them into range and take them by volume, plus stacking modifiers to add to it. They can be the ded shootingest army you can get with all the lightning they can put out, practically a footslogging electrical storm.

>>50483921
thanks,but i`ve got another related question
In what cases are breachers better ? When i looked at the codex it looked like as if destroyer were better at everything, except for close combat

Skitarri/Admech wide canticles AND doctrines fucking when?

>>50483964
there is a formation that gives imperial knights and skitarii the canticles, which is really usefull

>>50483873
Yeah. If you're in a War Convo the Plasma is 100% broken, but otherwise the Gets Hot means you can lose a guy to stupid fire. It's still good, especially if you've got a Tech-Priest to heal wounds, but end of the day Grav is Grav, and that's never a bad thing, especially with 30" range.

The Flamers are ok, if you're facing hoards it's downright dirty, but unless youve got the extra points don't do it- your boys shouldn't be up close in the first place.

>>50483951
4+ or 3+ and different weapons.
They all have great weapons. The Breachers seem better for popping vehicles, but can make a great tar pit with 2w and 5t.

>>50483971
I know what War Convocation is, anon.

I want my Admech units to get Doctrines, too.

>>50483951
Breachers are when you absolutely, positively need some enemy vehicles fucking dead. They're fantastic breachers, but that's about it

Destroyers can simply lay down more firepower, since all their weapons are either template or multiple shots, they always count as stationary even when moving, and they can fire both weapons in the same turn

>>50483933

...Corpuscarii already have Tesla.

>>50483841
Well yeah? If its bound only then its not really anything goes. That cadian battle group CCS spam list is bound, consisting of a single battle group. Its just a bit of fun.

>>50483898
I may have to proxy some stuff and just try it.

>>50483982

If they did you'd still probably only get to choose one per turn.

Either way, it'd be interesting to see how they combine them for the Red Book.

>>50483868
Only thing I dislike about this the loss of so many things for mehh
> Lose both of Corruption / Obj Secured
> Lose Reroll 1's for +1 to Invulnerable (max 3++).
>Reroll Warpstorm, but Fateweaver already does this...

Maybe if it was +1 to any save with no max. (Because who cares of a 2++ no reroll, when it's already possible to get a 2++ rerollable)

Granted it frees you from Fateweaver having to be Warlord... but I kinda would rather take a Daemon Incursion / CAD with Omniscience Oracles for megabirds.

>>50483982
Anon, there IS a formation that does that very thing.

It requires one of EVERY unit from both codices, you need 2 Onagers and 3 Dragoons or Ironstriders, but in return you get army wide use of both Doctrina nad Canticles and a unique doctrina and canticle.

The Doctrina improves WS AND BS by 3 points and the Canticle gives everyone an invun save 1-3 units is 6+ 4-7 is 5+ and 8+ is 4+.

It's the formation that came with the web store bundle sold ages ago but taking it in aregular game is nearly impossible as I'm pretty sure it's over or near 2000 points naked.

>>50484047
Also I forgot, you need 2 units of Kastelans

The Dominus Maniple (the formation from the Skitarii Start Collecting box) is so fucking good.

It gets you a legit Warlord in a Skitarii-only army, it gives you rerolls on ranged attacks, and it only costs a few hundred points, and is made of units you'd be taking anyway (literally just a Dominus, Vanguard/Rangers and an Onager)

>>50481790
I'm getting back into 40k, do you guys know of a good place to get paints and paint brushes?

>>50484113
other than gw ?
maybe your local flg or waylandgames

>>50483860
They are brand new, have cool rules with unique flavor, look gorgeous and are still not fleshed out fully so of course they get lots of releases for now. They're like the #4 selling army despite only being a year old and GW can sometimes recognize a good thing (sometimes)

Aldo they've already sold a shit load of half codexes and have an opportunity to sell a full sized codex to the very same people only one year later. They've struck jewgold

>>50483860

There are people who have been waiting 20+ years for an AdMech army in 40k.

>>50483860
Like the other Anon said, people have been waiting for a long time for AdMech. I have been waiting since 3rd edition for something like Bullgryns. I know they are bad, but I've been wanting them to look cool and be tougher, just like the rules and models have made them. I'm super happy about it so I always include at least a squad of 3 in my army. They are a point sink in the end, but I'm always happy to field them, even if all they do is tank shots or die.

>>50484149
It's kind of strangely funny that we didn't get little metal men until the age of little plastic men.

>>50483829
They are apart of their Gods now, being demons and all.
They are basically a shell of their old personality inside a demon body. The gods could take their power back hypothetically. Plus secretly they love their Gods for the power they have provided them.

>>50483990
They do? I've only got the e-Codex and it says they're Assault 2 Twin-Linked. Do you have a picture, cause that's awesome!

>>50483829
Spawnification.

>>50484278
Oh fuck I forgot about shock, brb gonna kill myself for being this stupid. Why don't they just give the gun that rule? Seems odd

>>50482508
>another fan of black+yellow
my nigga

>>50484278
Reading from my codex they have a rule called Shock, which does 2 additional hits per 6 rolled to hit, except on snap shots.

So it's basically Taser but shooty.

>>50484000
Yeah, Incursion with Fateweaver Warlord is still clearly the optimal build, but this at least lets you roll on the new traits table with a reroll and keep the Warpstorm reroll.

Any word on what Omniscient Oracles do or the full Tzeentch Warpstorm table? I heard it had a lot of potentially crippling symmetrical effects.

>>50484308
>>50484322
Welp, beaten to the punch. But the weapon does have the Shock rule in its profile.

>>50484136
>wayland games
It's shit.

at least go with triple helix

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Thoughts on my current 2 DE scheme options anons?
Of course i'm going to keep practicing my skills because i'm a shitter

>>50484410

Green one is better.

Would having EVERY action be based on initiative and not just combat solve the i go u go nature of game?

>>50484350
>being a bong
bubbly bubbly

>>50484468

oh boy i can't wait for CWE to get EVEN BETTER

>>50482184
>see that? That's why we commit Exterminatus!

>>50484468
Not without causing worse than it fixes.

>>50484468

>Orks are an army

>i2

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>>50484136
>>50484113
>buying citadel brushes
they're marked up 100-2000% and are cheap garbage. Buy some cheap $1.50 sets from an art store and just get more when you need more. You'll spend less in the end

>>50484468
fuck no, because armies would still largely be segregated by their majority initiative

>I5: Eldar
>I4: Marines
>I3: Humans
>>>>>>I2: Orks, Necrons, Tau

>>50484436
Yeah but sadly it's basically Vect's Kabal colours
I still don't know what colour to do the Blue scheme's eyes

Also i'm probably going to end up doing the Sentai colours as a test

>>50484326
Could be wrong

>OO
Reroll 1s to hit, to wound, and to harness

>Warpstorm:
A lot are mehh that help the enemy too much or don't do enough. Personally I like the base Warpstorm because it has only "4" (2-4, & 6) negative effects vs this one which helps my opponent "6" times (equal bonuses). Take salt

2 – Choose at random one non-daemon Character. This character suffers 1D3 Wounds withount saves of any kind. If slain, create a Chaos Spawn

3 – If any psiker manifest a power, the have to roll on the perils table with any double result

4 – Choose at random one Daemon of Tzeentch Character. Remove it from play. Return him to the battlefield via DS.

5 – All psikers manifest powers with 3+

6 – All flamer weapons gain the warpflame SR

7 – Each player may reroll up to 1D3 dice until end of turn. Each player rolls the D3 separetly.

8 – Psychic power cost is reduce by 1 (mínimum 1). If one psyker fails to manifest a power, automaticalli roll on the perils table.

9 – Roll a D6 for every unit on the battlefield. With a result of 1 or 2, D6 hits, S4, AP4, Warpflames

10 – Via DS, deploy a unit of 10 Brimstone horrors

11 – Choose at random a non-Daemon of Tzeentch Character. Check LD. If failed, model is removed from play, replaced by a Herald of Tzeentch

12- Choose a Daemon of Tzeentch Character. Check Ld. If failed, model is removed from play. If passed, model is replaced by a Lord of Change.

>>50484543
Tbh i haven't really though this through, but I believe this would be in conjunction with some overhauls

No idea what these would be yet though

>>50481918
The more I think about it the more I think slaneesh takes a very special kind of pleasure from this board.

>>50481918
All of them

>>50481933
There are no Wolves on Fenris, only Krakens

>>50484552
>Reroll 1s to hit, to wound, and to harness
Yeah, the Frontline review mentions those, as well as a reroll for seize. If those aren't conditional in some form, those are fantastic bonuses for models that I was already going to take anyways. Even just the reroll to seize or manifest would be worth it on its own.

>3 – If any psiker manifest a power, the have to roll on the perils table with any double result
>6 – All flamer weapons gain the warpflame SR
>7 – Each player may reroll up to 1D3 dice until end of turn. Each player rolls the D3 separetly.
>
9 – Roll a D6 for every unit on the battlefield. With a result of 1 or 2, D6 hits, S4, AP4, Warpflames

Eh. I could see that table being kinda okay with the +/- 1 from the Incursion, but that's pretty risky with just a reroll.

>>50484326
>>50484552
Missed some others.
Again no screenshots to confirm, but I play heavy DS daemons so getting rerolls to reserves is huge.

>Omniscient Oracles
reroll the seize the initiative roll
Reroll any reserve rolls.
reroll 1s for all your to hit, and to wound rolls
Reroll all of your psychic test.

>>50481933
Fenris is a Deathworld packed full of gribbly land and sea monsters.

>>50484136
Dark Sphere 4 lyfe bitch

>>50482049
Needs either some flame or blacksmith iconography if you don't fancy adding drake skin.

>>50484621
Exactly I'm taking Fateweaver and one Lord of Change is no tax. (Although methinks the bonus gets better the more Lord of Changes you take)

And ya. If I take incursion I'll probably use Tzeentchs Storm. But without reroll (via FW) and +/- 1 the new Warpstorm feels more a liability than the asset that the current table feels like.

>>50484622
>reroll the seize the initiative roll
>Reroll any reserve rolls.
>reroll 1s for all your to hit, and to wound rolls
>Reroll all of your psychic test.
That's absurdly good. Like holy shit, that's probably the best formation in the book. Is the seize reroll only for yourself?

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Best Chapter Master?

>>50484678
No idea. I know that the formation is 1 Fateweaver and 1-3 Lord of Changes.

I'm betting the more Lord of Changes you take the more bonuses you get.

Otherwise it's stupidly good. Considering everyone listed is BS5+ making them effectively BS10

>>50484683
yes

>>50484683
Dante, Vulkan and gabriel seth, in that order

>>50484621
One thing I saw:

>Greater Loci of Trickery:
Start of the turn roll a d6. Enemies that target the loci's unit treats the rolled # as 1s.

Think that on the Warpflame Host's Herald over +1 S Loci?

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So how should we go about fielding Exalted Sorcerers? I'm probably gonna need to use two until I get more daemons to fill out my Thousand Sons army, but I'm legit not sure how to use these guys.

They're not terrible in melee so I was thinking perhaps using them with terminators or tzaangors? Maybe even give one the artifact to make a unit jump type, put him with twenty Tzaangors and have them rush something early?

I wanted to give one a disk and put it in a unit with a few screamers, but turns out I can't do that so I'm having a hard time seeing a use for the disc.

>>50484712
>>50484683
The order is:Seth, Tyberos, Asterion, Lord Magyar, Hearon and whoever the Executioners' CM is

>>50483496
Thank you.
Google answered the question already, but thank you anyway anon.

>>50484735

Did leak anon post the Rubric sheets or Armory page? I'm guessing no since I didn't see them in the last thread or this one.

>>50483496
What is it then?

>actual storyline progression, however minor, in 40k

Pls no.

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>>50484683

>>50484735
Did they change the powers Ahriman or regular sorcerers can generate from?

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>>50484714
Vulkan isn't the chapter master. Tu'shan is.

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What do you think of my Void Dragon /tg/?

>>50483640
what spray paint?

>>50483873
Always grav cannons.
Flamers if they're going with a dominus, mostly for the psycological effect. But go with phosphor any other time.

>>50484822
>Those feet
no

It really should be a fuck huge Eastern style dragon made of metal

>>50484822
Looks like a sonic OC with a blog post detailing the smell of his feet.

>>50484822
Goofy/10

Post Christmas boxes? Can't find the leak

>>50484885
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/11/19/this-december-all-is-dust-and-loads-of-new-books/

>>50484873
This made me kek, didn't think of seeing it in that light

>>50484732
Probably not. S7 versus S6 is pretty big on Flickering Fire, doubling effectiveness against the ubiquitous AV12. Personally, I'd also rather a constant, good effect than a variably effective effect.

I could definitely see nabbing some on the Heralds Anarchic though, depending on cost. Would be great on a Pink/Screamer-star, especially with Fateweaver's reroll if you roll a 1 or 2.

>>50484735
He's too expensive to spam, especially when a regular Sorcerer is just as good a caster for 60 points less. I'm thinking one with the Seer's Bane will be plenty for me. Throw him on a Disc with some spawn, and he can mulch pretty much anything. Almost always wounding on a 4+ or better with Instant Death on demand, AP2, at-initiative. Probably go for Biomancy, although Librarium isn't too shabby either.


Tzeentch Spawn have the potentially to be pretty beefy if you can get any of the Invuln-granting blessings on them, and, if nothing else, you should have plenty of dice to go fishing for Endurance. Do we know if they get the the Warherd formation benefits? Fleet Spawn with the potential for S6 would be sick.