Horus Heresy General /hhg/

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>>50473405
First for Archaeobiology and ye olde hotpockening

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>>50473405
The Megarachnids were a thing for a while. What other xenos were there?

Will Great Crusade-era xenos ever get official models?

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Probably more appropriate in /WIP/ but really enjoying making progress on my Valdor.

What's everyone else working on?

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>>50473482
>Tfw nothing because I can't order my first Mechanicum models until January

>>50473454
>What other xenos were there?
Dead Xenos.

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>>50473482
Now there's a lovey shade of white. Nice work, Anon. Fluff for your dudes?

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>>50473482
Auxilla are so goddamn sexy when painted.

I'd be running them if I wasn't already running beep-boops.

>>50473444
>xth for FW better give us Land in the form of a Loyalist Mechanicum character with the option of bringing his Raider ala Dorn & Pert

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>>50473454
FW has said they're not going to do xenos and 30k. But there were Orks/Eldar/Crons/and other races.

>>50473444
The guy thinks monkeys naturally evolved tails as stingers and that the idea they lived in trees seems crazy to him.

Arkan Land is to the AdMech what Draco and Cezvak are to the inquisition.

So: Land's Raider: 525 points

14 14 14 HP 5 Transport 35 Super heavy Skimmer
Weapons:
Quad Volkite Caliver
2X Quad Las cannon
Special rules:
Dedicated Transport
Machine Spirit
Assault Vehicle
Flare Shield
Explorator Array
Living Metal
It Will Not Die

Land himself costs 50-75, he is not that great of a warrior.

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>>50473780
Only Emps know what monkeys looked like and explaining that would be too time consuming. Also, the only other monkeys in the galaxy are Jokero. I don't think they and Land would get along. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I_QsCXm1vrk

>>50473780

Looks a little expensive for that low of HP desu

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>>50473712
>>xth for FW better give us Land in the form of a Loyalist Mechanicum character with the option of bringing his Raider ala Dorn & Pert
And here I was already happy about Decima's DT Macrocarid

>>50473780
>Machine Spirit
Wait didn't you say it has a more potent machine spirit? Give those sponsons the Volkite Sentinel rule: independent targetting.

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>>50473405
Dammit, I was too late.

New fluff drama, new OP image.

>>50473910
>New fluff drama, more shitting up the thread
FTFY.

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>>50473910
Thanks, drawfriend. You're a best.

>>50473812
Actually the Loyal Supreme Magos in exile of Mars (internally) mocked him for not knowing anything about actual monkeys.

Also his Raider should have Icarus Targeting, Auspex, Vox (or AM version) and Command Vehicle (or AM version) with a special rule that Command Vehicle and Vox cannot be used unless a IC other than Land is on board.

Given the other special rules stuff like searchlights and smoke launchers are pointless. Explorator Array, Living Metal and IWND cover any and all imaginable toughness issues besides psychic assault. Given that it withstood direct assault from all 4 Chaos Gods in a extended siege without taking a scratch Blessed Hull from the GK books makes sense. The thing was directly blessed by the Emperors light after all.

The Emperor and Void Dragon don't agree on much. They do agree on two things though: 1: Fuck Chaos. 2: Land has a pimping ride.

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ooh, what's this? whatever could be in this package?

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>>50473991
A super-heavy?

>>50473879
Oh shit, I didn't know Decima could take one either. Makes me like him slightly more though I'm not big on his personality.

>why aren't you guys keeping me in the loop?
>...
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCKING TRAITORS

>>50473701
Aww thanks man. I don't have an airbrush but I managed to do a half decent ghetto OSL with a grey basecoat and carefully directed bursts of white spray paint. Pretty happy with how well it's worked out.

The Raven Guard (my main army) have infiltrated a planet that is in open rebellion against the Emperor, and have stoked the fires of loyalty in some members of the Solar Auxilia garrison stationed there. While the ruling nobility have thrown their lot in with the Warmaster and have begun purging those who refuse to adhere to the new order, many of the SA veterans have been biding their time to strike back and regain a modicum of honour for their traitorous regiment. With the RG's help they are able to gather arms and provisions and coordinate a small but effective resistance force.

Cunningly, this provides a plausible reason as to why the highest authority in the SA force is a tank commander, and the backstory for the inclusion of the Valdor is that it was pretty much a retired museum-piece but has quietly been restored and given a bit of a polish before the final glorious last stand. The tank commanders last remaining comrades from his armoured company ride around in either a pair of Vanquishers or a pair of Incinerators, and they are joined by a unit of Veletaris who have strong-armed a las-rifle section into joining their cause with heady tales of fighting for the glory of the Emperor of Mankind, both units mounted in Dracosans.

>>50473712
Agreed, the SA models are gorgeous. Shame the infantry are so tall, but whatever, the added detail the height allows is worth it.

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>>50474008
I don't know, I think it's just a bunch of garbage

>>50474029
I see Chinese lettering, guessing it's a recast of something big?

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>>50474022
Got any pics of the SA themselves you're willing to share?
>>50474029
It's a super-heavy until proven otherwise.

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>>50474067
I'll post pics of my SA when they're a little more complete. At the moment everything is pretty much only basecoated.

>>50474029
Pic related.

>>50473846
6 HP? 7? 8?

5-6 sounds reasonable, it has firepower but not enough when you consider it will be about 600 points with Land. It has supreme defensive abilities though.

If you combine AV 14 with Skimmer, Machine Spirit, Flare Shield, Living Metal and IWND it is almost impervious to non D strength shooting.

It is supposed to be ridiculously tough, not invulnerable which is how it was portrayed. If you need to get someone somewhere or get them away from something safely that is what it does because that is it's job.

>>50473900
Yeah, MoM specifically mentioned that it had independent targeting due to dedicated servitors.

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>>50474067
>>50474063
>>50474128
it's 1500 dollars worth of the finest recasted resin money can buy

>>50473910
OMG I usually don't bragg about people using my images like other anons do, but the white-eyed BL authors thing got worked on by Banner anon, thank you!

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>>50474191
That's an absolute fuckload of plastic crack anon.

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>>50474191
No super-heavies? Nice to see an IHfag though.

>>50474191
>Yer a pirate, anon

What's the stuff?

>>50474191
I recognise that handwriting on the baggie. Truly the best recaster out there.

What did you buy, exactly? An entire IH force?

>>50474216
I'm not banner anon, I'm just some guy who decided to whip up a makeshift banner for shits and giggles.

Glad you like it though

>>50474288
Still, thank you :)

>>50473780
>>50473900
So:
>14 14 14 HP 6 Transport 35 Super heavy Skimmer
>Weapons:
>Quad Volkite Caliver
>2X Quad Las cannon
>Special rules:
>Volkite Sentinel independent targeting
>Dedicated Transport
>Machine Spirit
>Assault Vehicle
>Flare Shield
>Explorator Array
>Living Metal
>It Will Not Die

>Volkite Sentinel independent targeting: Volkites may fire Snap Shots at BS 2, even if they had previously fired the previous turn. They may fire at a separate target from the rest of Land's Raider. All Volkites fire by Land's Raider have the Skyfire Rule.

It already is effectively BS5 and the Volkites are heavy 8 twin linked, all this does is let it incinerate a squad charging it and let it create a AA bubble. It was described as incinerating waves of deamons a few squads at a time, i think it is reasonably badass without being absurd.

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>>50474009
Land's Raider is a awesome Character. Think about it:

Marine>Custode>Primarch>Emperor
Landraider>Spartan>Mastadon>Land's Raider.

It is the Emperor of Imperial Transportation Technology and guess what? There it is by his side. Land's Raider is the Emperor's pimp mobile. None better bitches!

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>>50474254
for me, 20 Immortals and 20 IH tacticals, a dreadnought CCW, some volkite chargers and cataphractii fists, everything else is going to other folks, some WE, EC, and BA along with alpha legion and Night Lords toys, as well as some 40k eldar(gag) stuff

>>50473879
>>50473712
>>50473712
I get a blast out of the fact that Arkan doesn't even think it is that special, it is just his personal transport. Dorn and Pert and the IoM drool over it and he's just like 'hey, WTF? It's just my car you freaks. Get your own ride bitch'

Land knows seven things:
1: The Heresy is some messed up shit.
2: The Emperor is da man, respect yo!
3: Damn i've got a fine ride.
4:Custodes are cool, that BA guy is OK even if he is a tool
5: Fuck Magnus, fuck deamons
6: He don't need your shit, he got Custodes, Sisters and a mother fucking dreadnought as his homies. Some Blood Angel guy too.
7:Did he mention his sweet ass ride?

>>50474496
>Land's Raider is a awesome Character
I don't wish to be obnoxious or cruel, but yes indeed it is, and you're just stating the obvious, friend
>Marine>Custode>Primarch>Emperor
JESUS CHRIST, you're using it backwards!
That sign is a "more than/less than" symbol, and you just said a marine is more powerful than a Custodes, you see the beak thing indicates who is less than the wide part thing. Like this:
10>5, 2<6

But yes, Arkhan Land has a Grav Spartan +5 as his Dedicated Pimp mobile, try stepping that up, anyone!

>>50474264
>I recognise that handwriting on the baggie. Truly the best recaster out there.
Where can I find them?

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>>50474391
I totally agree on this.
Can anyone explain to me what the Living Metal rule does? I don't necron.
>>50474632
>that BA guy is OK even if he is a tool
Why can't you be cool AND a tool? You can totally be both.
>Fuck Magnus and daemons
Yes, thank you!

>Arkan doesn't even think it is that special, it is just his personal transport
He may think what he will, but not even he can deny it's awesome and one-of-a-kind. But he's angry the regular version isn't grav but tracked.

Oh man, that implies he thinks everyone should have grav-Land's Raiders. He wants the good tech to spread to everybody. Man, can Arkhan Land stop being awesome?!

>>50474678
He finds you, sorry man.

He found me when I was shitting on Z in r/yoyhammer saying his casts were only good for terrain. Sent me a PM and we went from there

>>50474022
The Valdor has a surface to orbit vox unit and serves as the rebels main means of communication to any relief forces. The Loyalists hid it by building a bunker around it in a out of the way tunnel to serve as their command center.

The USSR did this sort of thing in WW2, they buried radios, tanks and even aircraft in isolated places to serve as resistance centers behind German lines.

The tanks are buried with only a vox mast sticking up a few miles away (no doubt linked by miles of buried cables to hide the real command post) waiting to be used for the liberation.

In a worst case scenario the Loyalist leadership could button up in the buried Valdor and other tanks and survive an orbital bombardment or even extemimantus. They would die from hunger or thirst soon after but they could survive and send a message via vox or just roll out for one last act of defiance.

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>>50474755
>Pss. Hey kid, would you like some minis? Spartans, Sicarans, Caestii, I've got all the good stuff...

>>50474674
Sorry, 4chan's use of (((>>>))) has ruined my knowledge of basic math and ratios.

>Marine<Custode<Primarch<Emperor
>Landraider<Spartan<Mastadon<Land's Raider.

I recognize my failing and will be sure to correct it.

>>50474780
Kek.

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>>50474756
Thanks for this fluff man, thats fucking awesome! Researching buried tank tactics now, just for personal interest...

>>50474780
Hahaha, that original copy of the Codex Astartes

>>50474752
>Living Metal rule does? I don't necron.

It prevents any special rule that assists in penetrating armor. Ordinance, melta, lance, whatever. Whatever special rule your weapon has that gives it special abilities to penetrate armor they don't work.

So Chainfists don't get an extra dice, dark lances don't lower the AV value, meltas don't get an extra d6, nothing affects the AV. All you get is S+d6 to penetrate or glance.

>>50474947
it doesn't do that anymore, it's like extra armour but better, ignores shaken on a 2+ and stunned on a 4+

>>50474840
You're a good anon!
>>50474884
I do understant the general sense of the gif, but I wish some russian guy could tell us what is the exact dialogue in that pic.
>>50474947
Wow, great. Amazing on that AV14 chassis.
>>50474969
Booooooo!

>>50474947
Does Haywire work as normal?

How viable is an all infiltration alpha legion army?

>>50475046
Good.
A RG army is more powerful with the whole Furious Charge thing, but the AL have no Flesh over Steel restriction, so they can infiltrating mechanized infantry.

>>50474752
The BA guy was pretty cool, he was the only ration person there besides that Admech guy who died in the first scene.

>Oh man, that implies he thinks everyone should have grav-Land's Raiders. He wants the good tech to spread to everybody. Man, can Arkhan Land stop being awesome?!

He does, that is the tragedy. The new Fabricator General and everyonbe else is thinking of all this other stuff, wars, rebelions and heresy. Land is thinking "hey if we all had invulnerable cars and scaled that up we wouldn't have to worry about anything"

It is why Land loves the webway idea, not having to worry about using the warp to travel is a great idea. He could just drive anywhere.

>>50475066
Infiltrating mechanized? I was thinking Skorr with veterans to infiltrate, then scout and give the vets multimeltas/heavy bolter and machine destroyer/sniper.

Also, how doe Exodus and Saboteur perform? I think they're cool as fuck.

>>50474884
Thank you, it is simple logic. Valdors have advanced communications equipment. The Loyalists cannot win without reinforcement. Logically they must protect their communications as much as possible. They must also hit the traitors communications ability as often as they can.

Why the Raven Guard would want to support them is obvious, they are fighting the way the Raven Guard do.

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>>50475076
>Land is thinking "hey if we all had invulnerable cars and scaled that up we wouldn't have to worry about anything"
You'd still have to worry about it if the other side had the same equipment as you, which is why the Heresy was indeed all that worrying, since they had both Land's Raiders AND daemons, which gets Kerbor's rocks off.

>It is why Land loves the webway idea, not having to worry about using the warp to travel is a great idea. He could just drive anywhere.
So you're saying Land's ideal future would be everybody driving everywhere in the web-highway and tanks being a central part of everyone's life like a grav version of Mad Max?

ARKHAN LAND IS INCAPABLE OF NOT BEING AWESOME

>>50475107
Other anons say Saboteur work great, but even better with Dynat. I said mechanized because if you want an infiltrating army and just that the Ravens do it better. But the AL can both do it good enough and who knows what you'll play tomorrow.

>>50475033
Yes, it isn't invulnerable. However:
>35 transport capacity
>Can carry dreadnoughts
>Skimmer
>Assault vehicle
>Probably carrying Custodes, Sisters and a Dreadnought

Haywire works, just don't expect anything using haywire grenades to live after they immobilize it.

>>50474029
>I think it's just a bunch of garbage
Going by the Chinese newspaper, I'd say you're right.

Enjoy your supercancer.

>>50475272
aw is somebody mad that they aren't buying the ultra-official high quality british resin that's proven to shrink tumors and empty wallets? :^)

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So I've decided to start up an Iron Warriors army. I'm not really interested in making a "competitive" army because I've learned that it sucks a lot of the fun out of the hobby for me. This is a rough list of what I'm planning on getting. Is it at least feasible to use in friendly games? Anything you would recommend adding?

HQ
Praetor

Elites
3 Iron Circle Battle Automata

1 Destroyer Squad w/ Jump Packs

Troops
1 Tactical Squad

1 Tactical Squad w/ Pistols and melee weapons

1 Breacher Squad

Heavy Support
2 Tyrant Siege Termination Squads

I've always like the Irons Warriors idea of "throw bodies at problem until it is solved" and I'm trying to reflect that in this rough list. The heavy and special weapons I'll be including are auto cannons and plasma guns. If its light on vehicles its because I'm planning to get those legit from Forge World later. Sorry if this is absolutely terrible.

>>50475272
nah, this isn't supercancer resin, it's basically the same as FW stuff, minus the mold oil

>>50475319
>Is it at least feasible to use in friendly games?
Sure. Everything is feasible in friendly games, that's why they're called friendly
>Anything you would recommend adding?
Are those Troop squads maxed?
>Destroyer squad
My best wishes.
>The heavy and special weapons I'll be including are auto cannons and plasma guns
What heavy and/or special weapons? Tyrants can't take the same stuff as terminators. They can't take pretty much anthing, really. And they're Elites ;^)

>>50475201
>So you're saying Land's ideal future would be everybody driving everywhere in the web-highway and tanks being a central part of everyone's life like a grav version of Mad Max?

Well, yeah. Imagine it:

The Emperor completes the Imperial webway. Humanity is now a psychic species immune to chaos. We explore the Galaxy in invunerable hover tanks exploring every last bit of creation. The Eldar get pushed onto a few reservations, they are fun to talk to on a historical level but they are boring after a while. Those Necrontyr statues you and your friends have been collecting are actually Necron Warriors. You talk to them, meet this Necrontyr dude named the Silent King. He tells you that he has a message for the Eldar and the Emperor, there are some bug things that intend to eat us who come from another Galaxy. The Emperor agrees to a meeting, the Eldar bring an Ork and some primitive looking Lizard dude. The Necrontyr show up with the Silent King, Trayzin and a Primarch somehow.

>The Silent King points to the stars and says "bugs from another galaxy are coming to eat us, let's kick their ass"

>Eldrad says: "Second the motion"
>The Lizard next to him burps and gives a thumbs up
>The Ork shouts WHAGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!
>The Tau Ethereal who wasn't invited but somehow is present says: "It is for the Greater Good"
>The Emperor turns to his 18 loyal sons and says: "Kill me some bugs and find us a new galaxy to invade. Er, i mean enlighten. "

>>50475304
Nah mate, buy cheap shit if you want, I just don't trust anything built in China.

>>50475363
>Are those Troop squads maxed?
All the tactical squads I'm intending to be in squads of 20. The Breachers are in a 10 man squad.

>Destroyer Squads
They seemed neat on paper. Are they shit or just difficult to use?

>What heavy and/or special weapons? Tyrants can't take the same stuff as terminators. They can't take pretty much anything, really.
Tyrants are listed as Heavy Support in the Iron Warriors Red Book. The special and heavy weapons I'm intending to distribute among the tactical squads.

>>50473454
Laer
Kinebrach
Hrud

>>50475201
Yeah I am thinking of making a purely infiltrating Alpha Legion with Dynat, coupled with some saboteurs. Mutable tactics is great.

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>>50475448
>The special and heavy weapons I'm intending to distribute among the tactical squads.
Thing is, in 30k tactical squads are bolters-only. Vets are the ones who look like 40k tac squads.
Destroyers aren't bad themselves, but are overcosted. And about Tyrants, it's a bit complicated. FW books are riddled with typos and mistakes.

>>50475613
Okay thanks for telling me. This is my first time with 30k and my 40k instincts are hard to shake. I'll drop the destroyers and just make the terminator squad a 10 man. Is it worth taking transports for the infantry blobs or should instead get something for the Terminators?

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>>50475368
>YOU WILL DRIVE UP THE ETERNAL WEBWAY INTO THE VALHALLA, SHINY AND AURIC

>>50475688
Considering you want to use Tyrants, who are great at footslogging thanks to those Cyclone missile launchers, and adding the fact there's a bit too many AP3 pieces of artillery out there, yeah you might want some transports for those tactical squads.

Problem is, there's only one non-LoW land vehicle that can transport a 20-man squad, the Spartan.

You could attach apothecaries to help footslogging them, but that'll help only against phosphex, not against anything bigger than Earthshaker guns.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zoh9xI0huA
I'm not sure which legion this fits. Night Lords? World Eaters?

>>50475879
Fists

>>50475879
Iron Warriors

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>>50475893
>>50475900
Pain cleanses the body.

>>50475900
Too easy.
>>50475893
I don't think Dorn would like his kids wasting bolts on each other. Throwing a nigga into a pain glove wih your bare hands is probably more socially acceptable.

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>>50475879
Whyyyyyyyyyyy
Also, Fists. How do you think they became BS5?

>>50475743
Okay thanks for the advice.

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Magnus did nothing wrong.

>>50476278
We've already had our daily dose of Carnac, why do you seek to shit upon this thread as well?

>>50475922
Pain is an illusion of the senses, despair an illusion of the mind.

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I found the Night Lords' beginner's tool https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I9QuO09z-SI
>>50476278
Don't do this.

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>>50476307
And guess who, it turns out, originally said that "assassin" proverb/thought for the day.

Unification Wars.

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>>50476334
>Death Whistle
Huh, I didn't know about this. Nice.
>Fear
Kek, that's an illusion of the senses.

>>50476448
It's an effective illusion for most people. Imagine hearing that in the middle of the night. Bonus points if you hear it in a forest.

>>50476552
>camping in the wilderness
>set up tent, just about to fall asleep
>hear that last bit at 110 decibels just behind your pillow
>shit pants
>try and fail to sleep
>happens again the next night
>third night without sleep, you charge out waving an axe around, only to see a little pair of bat wings sticking up from behind a bush
Fuckin terror assault

>>50476552
Well I was pointing out the fact that the NL's only Sworn Brothers are also immune to the Fear they cause, and their Primarch is also scary, but man even if I heard that in plain day I'd be intimidated, no lying.
It's very similar to the "aaaaaah" you hear the natives cry out in the movies, but this means fewer people are required to achieve the same effect. Pretty clever of them.
Another NL instrument, this one for when they are sneaking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d1yDCWicf0

>>50475319
You don't have to worry about being competitive. Unfortunately, Iron Circlebots are too slow and don't deal enough damage for their points (they're good at being bodyguards), same goes for Breachers, and actually for Destroyers too (which, unlike the other two, don't get survivability for their cost).

You'll do well in Zone Mortalis missions though, which are great fun.

In regular games I'd try to take just one of those three, or if you must take two then not Iron Circle and Breachers. The latter are often out in a Spartan, which is generally considered too fancy for tactical blobs.

If you find yourself losing too much, quad mortars with phosphex, Medusas, and Whirlwind Scorpiuses probably cost too little for the damage they do. Don't take a whole bunch, but they can help.

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>>50475319
Dreadnoughts are a lot more effective than Domitar-class automata, and you should take tactical support squads in Rhinos if you can. I'd do that instead of taking Breachers. They can move up together with the ccw/pistol tactical dudes too, who definitely need transport.

Or try the Brethren of Iron rite of war and load up on robots.

give medusan immortals a stock 5+ invuln rather than a 6++/5++, and make hardened armour reroll armour and invulnerable saves against blast and template, not just armour
does this make them good?

>>50473454
Nephilim. Alien giants who cow humans with strange skin masks made from the xenos' own flesh. Blood Angels and Sons of Horus fought them in Fear to Tread.

anyone here collect Solar Auxilia? I wanna see pictures of your shit

>>50473405
>Back to the Great Crusade edition
>No Luna Wolves, Pale Nomads, Storm Walkers, Imperial Heralds, Dusk Raiders, War Hounds....

>>50477132
Literally who?

I can't hear you over the sound of the First Legion's giant footfalls.

Why do knock off Legions even try?

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>>50477124
Sorry Anon, I'm >>50474128, will take some pictures tomorrow for you if you don't mind mostly basecoated pieces. The Veletaris are closer to being finished I guess, but everything's largely WIP

>>50477253
damn, what a waste of 2nd edition bolters

>>50473454
I always figured that the imperial cults and militia book was for converting all these various xenos.

the ogryn entry even states that it could be used for any number of big lumbering creatures and not just ogryn. Nephlim, for instance.

as for megarachnids, I've seen more than enough people use tyranids for their rules and models.

>>50477233
>Be the First Legion
>Still get outdone by the Ultramarines after like a 50 year head start, using none of that DAoT bullshit Acid Bolters but regular bolters and discipline
Go chop down some trees, Lionboi

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>>50477388
how can other legions even compete?

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>>50477388
To be fair the First didn't have such a huge pool of worlds from which to recruit and replenish losses from, and the UltraSues didn't participate in the Rangdang Genocide.

Speculation/headcanon on events making up the Genocide? I imagine it to be the DA fighting absolutely batshit insane nightmare-fuel enemies, resulting in the horrendous rate of attrition attributed to that campaign.

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>>50477484
>ultrasues

>>50477525
So, when pre-heresy Magnus releases, how big do you guys expect him to be? They won't make him the plastic version size right?

>>50477554
not as big as plastic

but still a big guy

>>50477525
I don't even understand how "Magnus did nothing wrong" is a meme. He fucked up monumentally. Is it a meme because it's bait and almost guaranteed to get responses? If so, 6/10, made me go deep and start thinking about what memes even are...

>>50477554
If he's much bigger than Perturabo I'll be upset. Pert is so fucking chunky in comparison to the other primarchs, as he should be, he's the Lord of Iron, he should look like Magneto just walked through a steelyard. Magnus should be taller but less bulky, ideally.

>>50477571
*sigh* 4 u.

>>50477571
I remember reading in a recent white dwarf magazine, that he was like, 9 inches tall.

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>>50477484
>Speculation/headcanon on events making up the Genocide?
If I recall the Rangda were mentioned as grey faceless hordes, I'm kind of picturing mass produced soldiers with limited intellect and probably an absolute bitch to kill.

Or maybe I've been watching too much FMA lately and I'm just reading the Immortal Legion into them.

>>50477484
>To be fair the First didn't have such a huge pool of worlds from which to recruit and replenish losses from
Not something to brag about lacking, really
> the UltraSues didn't participate in the Rangdang Genocide.
True, they did not
>Speculation/headcanon on events making up the Genocide?
We DO know the DA, DG and Xana participated in it, and we also know the IW participated in a different xenocide against the Hrud.

>>50477588
prepare to be upset because Magnus will be bigger. Only Magnus had the nickname of a giant and he's physically the freakiest of them all.

Only one he should be smaller to would be Vulkan since the fluff retcons turned him into the biggest primarch now.

>>50477603
>I'm kind of picturing mass produced soldiers with limited intellect and probably an absolute bitch to kill.
You're picturing the Rangdan Xenocides, which literally means "murder all those alien bastards", as a mass of generic humans? Whatever lets you stay awake at night.

>>50477634
considering that every other successful species in this galaxy is apparently humanoid it's not a bad assumption.

>>50476894
I wish it was easy to get epic models, same with bfg
cant find them anywhere

>>50477554
Considering the fan-scale retards have infected the FW design team, I fully expect magnus to be twice the size of the other already oversized primarchs.

>>50477588
>I don't even understand how "Magnus did nothing wrong" is a meme.
Its just a push back against the Magnus hate. You can only lay out the same points so many time before you just meme it up.

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>>50477776
He will indeed be "a head taller than Angron", which doesn't look too exaggerated. I mean, when compared to other Primarchs, it would help if they weren't already that huge.
So, I guess nerdboy will too be T7?

>>50477613
I believe Vulkan was the strongest, not the largest.

>>50477877
do his stats even matter when he'll be pooping out eleven psychic powers a turn?

>>50477932
it will matter whether Russ can actually physically hurt him in combat.

>>50477997
primarch fights usually last [until the game is over]

if magnus is tied up in combat, not pooping out spells, he's already lost

>>50478030
Talking of Primarch fights, has anyone got any experience in letting the Primarchs have 2 or more combat phases in their duels, just to speed up their combat and not let it take 5 game turns? Seems a shame to have Horus tied up for the whole game when he could go on to slap some serious shit after he's smushed Gorillaman or whoever

>>50478143
I love primarch slap fights. They make people cut them out of lists and bring more dudes and tanks.

>>50478177
Ah, that makes sense.

Also talking of, I'll be facing Corax soon. I have a Typhon, but his cheeky Sable Armour rule means I can't target him. What else is good against this slippery gypsy?

>>50478143
I thought you were supposed to finish a Primarch with a Primarch of your own only after you shot his deathstar to hell because you aren't playing a fair fight.

>>50478219
>his cheeky Sable Armour rule means I can't target him
You can shoot at him normally if he is the closest unit to the shooter, but that's easier said than done, yeah.

>>50478219
Ignore him and blow up all of his everything else.

Corax is 450 points of extra heavy ordinance that will get one or two turns of free shooting off.

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>>50476607
IM GONNA WEAR YOUR FACE LIKE A HALLOWEEN MASK.

>>50476607
http://www.viruscomix.com/page473.html
Well that explains the whistle.

>>50478477
>Like only 5 panels
>As much text as that cringy vampire character fluff pastebin that qualifies as a novel.
Sorry, not my usual kind of comic.

>>50478638
I read it. It was actually pretty good. Why are you reading Twilight anyway?

>>50478703
What twilight? I heard about it in a filename thread, and don't look at me, I'm not the one watching vampire diaries.

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>>50476334
Adding to this, I find it interesting they allegedly used "the recording of a horse stampede" in the reconstruction, considering aztecs had no horses.

There are maori marines, as well as egyptians. Are there aztec/mayan marines?

>>50473405
Say, are Ferrox Thallax worth it? Compared to Ursarax or Vorax, their only appeal is they can fill the Reductor's compulsory troop choices. Can't meltabomb like they used to, which is why I'm considering Ferrox over Destroyer.

>>50478871
>There are maori marines, as well as egyptians. Are there aztec/mayan marines?
Fan Chapter only I think?

>>50478930
>>50478871
Rainbow Warriors were supposedly Aztec if I remember

>>50478930
I've seen people writing Rainbow Warriors as Mayincatec Marines.

>>50479111
>>50479122
too bad they even sound fuckin gay, so gw will never write anything about them.

Ok, I wrote a casual Mechanicum Combined Arms list.
I know that the optimal strategy is to drown then in robots or tanks, but my local meta seems to be quite casual from what I've seen, and I like variety.

2500pt Mechanicum Taghmata
Primary Detatchment (Legio Cybernetica)

HQ:
Scoria on Abeyant - 315
Magos Dominus with Machinator Array - 100

Troops:

2 Castellax with no upgrades - 210
2 Castellax with Darkfire Cannon and Enhanced Targeting - 280

Fast Attack:

3 Vorax, frag grenades - 210

Heavy Support:

Thanatar with Paragon of Metal, Enhanced Targeting - 300

Allied Detachment (Ordo Reductor)

HQ:

Magos Reductor with Machinator Array and 3 Cyber-Occularis - 195

Troops:

3 Thallax with Meltabombs and Destructor - 165
20 Thralls with Carapace and Fearless - 100

Elites:

Tech-priest Auxilia, 2 Enginseers, 4 Automata with servo arms - 105

Fast Attack:

Primaris Lightning Strike Fighter, 2 sets of Kraken missiles, Servitor control and ground-tracking auguries - 210

Heavy Support:

Ordo Reductor artillery tanks, 2 tanks, Medusa cannon, machine spirit and siege plating - 310

Total 2500.

Ok, I think I've covered most things, but I see lots of Primarchs in my local meta while watching games and I'm wondering if I have enough stuff to kill them. Apart from Scoria, obviously.

>>50478224

This indeed. Crashing two primarchs together with intact deathstars is pretty stupid, and the players might as well have knocked 1000 off the points limit instead.

>>50477740
Epic's tough, you pretty much have to go 3rd-party these days. For BFG… try the AliExpress store called Irene^_^. If you don't see any ships there, they've been taken down but will be back up soon. Or try getting a hold of them. They don't have everything, but not too bad.

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>THE STORY
Oll Persson stands apart from the rest of mankind. He is one of the old ones, one of the undying. One of the Perpetuals. Now, fleeing from the ruins of Calth with his band of fellow refugees, the vagaries of the warp have brought him through the backways of time and space to a city that rests on the edge of oblivion... and no further. The path has ended abruptly, and Oll's enemies are finally closing in. Will his immortality be enough to save him this time?

http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/perpetual-mp3.html

Oh my god, Olly confirmed to be an Old One.

>>50479431

What trash, modern BL authors are such tasteless morons. They can't understand the importance of a story centred around an ordinary man - everything has to be bigger, more grandiose, less relatable.

>>50479717
But it all makes sense. His immorality, his obsession with being a family man, his resistance to the Warp, his psychic powers, his Christianity. It all ties in together.

Olly is a giant space frog reincarnated as a man. Considering that the Emperor is the same as Olly, then he also a giant space frog in a man's body!

>>50479431
This is just fucking bullshit. I'm starting to get /tg/'s hate for curent BL.
I haven't read the HH novels in years but I enjoyed the atmosphere enough to start working on a Legion army. What are they doing to the Heresy?

>>50479773

Oll Pius was best when he was an ordinary guardsmen, whose obliteration by Horus was what showed the Emperor that he was beyond redemption, and enabled him to make the reluctant choice to destroy his favourite son. Those universal themes of sacrifice, love, and betrayal were what made the heresy such an epic tale. Now they've all been ditched in favour of anime-tier convoluted plotting and contradictory arse-pulls.

>>50479431

I really don't want to hear this, if only because I've always had a particular voice for Oll in my head and I don't want to spoil it.

Can someone just spoil the story and everything in it?

>>50479849
But Pius didn't even exist.

>>50479871

What do you even mean?

>>50480121
The theory that he's a propaganda tool used by the Ecclesiarchy maybe? That's what I'm reading

About to dump £250 on a Spartan, Deathshroud and Quad Rapiers. Just before Xmas.

Is this a bad idea? Who cares

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>>50473444
>40k
>know about horses
>don't know about mules

Also, possible reference to pic related?

>>50473771
Well, guess we'll just wait for GW to make rules for them. Enjoy all the eldar D.

>>50474780
>Hello Stranger...what are ya buying?.gif

>>50475427
I've got the OnePlus 2 smartphone, and it's pretty good for a chinese product. Easily comparable to phones at higher price ranges, too.

>>50477388
>The Dark Sovereign

>>50479849
>whose obliteration by Horus was what showed the Emperor that he was beyond redemption

Except that never happened. Pius, according to the tale, took a blow meant for the Emperor.

Quite frankly the "Sure, he might have just killed his brother, plunged the galaxy into war, is controlled by the dark gods that want to enslave everything, and has been nuking my palace constantly, but I can't kill him, he's my son" is fucking stupid ass bullshit melodrama straight out of a bad anime.

Horus, powered by the 4 gods should kick his ass until interrupted, allowing the Emperor to drive in the killing blow. Implying that the Emperor could have destroyer Horus but didn't because of sentimental crap is beyond retarded. If he didn't want to destroy Horus, why did he even teleport to his ship?

I like my Emperor as a pragmatic person who looks at the big picture. He has been through thousands and thousands of years, he's seen friends and loved ones die and die in droves, his souls (going by the Shaman fluff) are even older and have gone through it all for at least as long as the Emperor. Their mission is to safeguard humanity, not get sentimental over stuff. Doesn't mean he can't have a soft spot or he can't feel empathy, but he needs to be a rock upon which the setting is built. He can be cold and cruel, but he has a plan and he's doing it for humanity the best he can.

Same reason I enjoy the version of Prospero where it's the Emperor who gives the order to burn it. He told Magnus what would happen and he didn't listen, so it's Goofy time now, Magnus.

>>50480734
What's wrong with the Emperor trying to save/cure Horus whilst fighting him ? Family can go to extreme lengths for eachother. We can't all be autistic assholes you know, no matter how relatable that is for you :^)

>>50480772
>family

I wouldn't call the emperor and his gene-warrior generals for family.

>>50479356
>>50479356
Not original anon you are talking to, but yeah. Players at my store always have hard minimum tactical squads, then as many termies, flyers and Lords of War/Primarchs they can fit. Apart from WEbro, DGbro and IHbro, who run nice varied melee/infantry/mech lists, I keep feeling that once I have my Mechanicum ready I literally need to kill three units. Primarch and 10 termies in a Spartan, the Cerastus Knight they'd bring proxied by a regular one, and the flyer or Fellblade/Glaive.

I like a good deathstar, but at least keep it to under half your army, especially when I could probably beat it with 3 Vorax, a Vindicator shell and Scoria for less than half its point cost.

I could be misreading what I see on the board, but Guilliman, 10 termies of some description and a Primus Medicae footslogging, a Knight Atrapos, two 10-man tac squads and a Basilisk seems a bit on the extreme side for 2250.

>>50480772
>Family

The Emperor has biological children, the Sensei. He doesn't need to grow them in a vat. The primarchs are no different from Custodes, Marines, Thunder Warriors, etc. He made them as a tool, as a weapon.

We can't all be autistically crying after a bio-engineered weapon who went bad, you know, no matter how relatable that is for you.

>>50480798
I've dealt with Khârn + red butchers in a fully upgraded spartan below 2000 points. It might be my dice luck, but I've never seen the appeal of all eggs in one egg basket.

specially after it only wiped one of my tactical squads before being shot to shreds by a unit Seekers and one plasma support squad, after the saboteur made the spartan go poof

Where did the Perpetuals come from?

>>50480974
ADB's ass.

>>50480974
Out of BL's ass.

>>50480974
The plot.

>>50480995
Dan Abnett was the first guy who wrote about them, though. In fact, I don't think ADB featured any of them in his novels.

Still I don't have answer to my question. Are the Perpetuals the old Shamans? I must know.

>>50480974
Legion by Dan Abnett.
Gramaticus.

>>50481087
No the Emperor is the old shamans.

>>50481122
Gramaticus says that the Emperor is a Perpetual. One of the original ones like Pius, Are they all shamans?

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>>50476607
Night Lords, man, what can you do?
>>50476635
>Well I was pointing out the fact that the NL's only Sworn Brothers are also immune to the Fear they cause, and their Primarch is also scary, but man even if I heard that in plain day I'd be intimidated, no lying.
It's a duet! Two cousins using whistles to scare people straight out of their pants!

>>50481137
Don't think Pius is a psyker, where as the shamans were.

Who knows, I don't think even BL has any idea what they're doing, no matter how much Laura Goldie tries to tell is they totes have a plan.

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>>50480974
Out of BL's desire to crush hopes and dreams.

>>50481177
Pius suffers from loss of memory, though.. Maybe his powers will come back when he regains them.

There is another Perpetual that's part of the same group of Pius and the Emperor. Miss Alivia Sureka. She is a very skilled psyker.

>>50480832
Last time I checked the Senesi weren't always his biological children. They were his grand-children, his great-grandchildren, and so on.

>>50481221
Whatever they are, at some point the Emperor put his Imperial P in a worthy V and engaged in consensual coitus in the missionary position under the sheets with socks on and lights off for the sole purpose of procreation.

>>50481242
He got lonely. 50,000 years will do that. Doesn't really matter in the end though. The Inquisition found them, and grounded them all up to make anti-soul bullets.

>>50481242
Wait as second. Alivia Sureka who was a fellow Perpetual and a companion of the Emperor was sterile. She couldn't have children of her own so she adopted some.

Maybe all Perpetuals are sterile. It wouldn't make sense for immortals to be fertile.

>>50481282
As if the Emperor wouldn't be able to biomancy his way around that, if perpeptuals did work that way.

>>50481282
> It wouldn't make sense for immortals to be fertile.
why pray tell

>>50481345
Overpopulation and low genetic diversity.

>>50481351
Immortality is just some warp magicks though, at least it doesn't seem to be something genetic.

Otherwise it'd be a little odd we haven't been drowned in 'Ferrus lives !" as well. If turning people into perpeptuals was something possible with planning ahead it seems strange to only have Vulcan have unlimited respawns (which is odd enough already)

>>50481351
Not in the imperium, and no, one immortal wouldent have an effect on the population gentics.

also, why are you assuming this is a product of evolution?

>>50481397
>If turning people into perpeptuals was something possible

The Cabal can turn normal humans into Perpetuals via techno-magic.

Alivia, Pius, and the Emperor are the only guys that we know were born as Perpetuals. They are the real deal. So maybe it's genetic.

>>50481439
In "Wolf Mother", Alivia hints that the real Perpetuals were "cunningly" created to be resistant against Chaos. However, they are not immune to temptation and ambition.

This imples that someone created or had a hand in the creation of the Emperor, Pius, and Sureka. Having fertile immortals around in prehistory with its limited human population would impact the genetic diversity of the population. They just keep producing offspring and passing their dank dna over and over.

>>50481535
3 guys would have virtually no impact on pre-history; so long as they have no big defects, it really woulen't have done anything. You are also assuminbg these guys were all made at the same time, with only hints and rumours
>T. biochemist PhD

(on a side note, it does remind me of that anime family tree when the immortal dude sleeps with all his offspring)

>>50479111
>>50479122
REEEEEEEE I HATE THIS MEME

RAINBOW WARRIORS HAD NO OFFICIAL FLUFF, THEM BEING AZTEC IS A /tg/ THING AND HAS NO BASIS IN LORE

REEEEEEEEEEE

>>50481713
k

>>50481713
Rainbow Warriors seem to have been mentioned in the Space Marine Codexes.

>>50481713
>>50481973
They are an official Chapter, but they're another one of those super-obscure ones that we know the names, heraldry and chapter badge of, but no established fluff. The community has made up the aztec theme since Rainbow Warrior feels vaguely aztec.

>>50479871
This. I liked "him" when it was implied he was a myth about the regular man being able to make a difference (they do, but mostly by the million) and being noticed by the Emperor Himself on a personal level (which He might do in 40k, being psychically empowered by a trillion prayers a day).

I mean, every culture has one, why not the Imperium?

>>50480558
So, Arkhan Land has a game?
Mechanicum box when :^)

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>>50480798
>Guilliman, 10 termies of some description and a Primus Medicae footslogging
By the Emperor, I hope I can play against that one day.
>Pic related, my Primarch equivalent

>>50481620
Isn't Ghengis Khan related to 0.5% of all people on Earth? And everything is alright.
>(on a side note, it does remind me of that anime family tree when the immortal dude sleeps with all his offspring)
Make me :(

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>>50481620
This?

>>50482025
>Rainbow Warrior feels vaguely aztec.
Same dude who asked about aztec marines here, what do aztecs have to do with the rainbow?
Maybe with hurricanes at best
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huracan

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>>50482246
Don't ask me. They're often depicted in colourful garments?

>>50482246
Maybe something to do with Azetc mythology? http://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends/warriors-rainbow-prophecy-001577

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>>50482291
Oh, maybe it could be. I always imagined them as jaguar warriors. Sure there were eagle warriors and others, but jaguars warriors are the good shit
>>50482317
Those are cree. Native americans are already taken by early Dark Angels.

>>50482246
Or maaaybe, it's because it's cool, shut up.

>>50482362
>Native americans are already taken by early Dark Angels.
what , dark angels are monastic knights IN SPAAAAAAAAAACE

>>50473454

Carnoplasm. Horrific things that liqufied your flesh and drank it. Did it to that one mechanicus dude and made him crazy.
There's also the harrowing but I can't remember if that was after the heresy or not.

>>50482442
In Ye olden days they had a Native American theme going on. Or at least the Deathwing did.

>>50482362
While the fluff does exist, GW has long-since overwritten and avoided that bit since they decided to style the Dark Angels as monastic knights. While I'm not sure if they ever completely canned the fluff or it's supporting details, it's clear that GW kicked it under the rug and hasn't looked at it in well over a decade.

>>50477233
>Be Luna Wolves
>Emperor chooses you to be part of the first battle of the Great Crusade
>Win First battle in minutes via superior tactics
>Crush enemies so bad that the remaining forces beg the Emperor to call off his wolves, we were first wolves, be first executioners
>Be first Legion to gain a proper name, don't even need a Primrach for it
>Primarch thinks our name is good enough and doesn't change it
>Primarch wanted to be part of our Legion
>Other Legions wanted to be us
>Primarch ends up being bro-tier, a good addition to our Legion
>Didn't need fancy DAoT shit to win
>All of this is literally in our first few years of service

Feels good to be part of the Luna Wolves

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>>50482485
Found the pics.

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>>50482537

>>50475692
All that armour yet no gloves...

>>50482537
>>50482548
interesting
explains the feathers some of the deathwing have on their armor
thanks anon

>>50482548
In the old days the Deathwing wore black paint, but if a Deathwing member felt that the upcoming mission would be his last he would paint his armor the bone white we know them for. I guess the modern Deathwing aren't too confident in themselves.

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>>50482563
Forgot my picture.
>>50482562
You're welcome. Now go get a plastic bag, and shove Fallen into them. If you bag five you become a full member of the Deathwing and get the garbage bag to prove it.

>>50482563
They changed that to them painting their armour bone white in recognition of a group that died in a space hulk, if I'm remembering right.

Was it with the deathwing expansion? I think that's when it was.

>>50482643
I have no clue. I'm probably wrong.

>>50479431
Just finished listening to this.

>Got information about the Perpetuals
>Got the age of Olly
>Got information about the Dark Age of Technology and its absurd tech
>Got information about the End Times War
>Anathme foreshadowing
>Alpha Legion


Among other things but the most thing that stood out is Olly thinking to himself that he has no love for the "thing" that normies call the Emperor. However, it's side with him or side with the "usurpers" and nobody in his right mind would side with them.

>>50482135
When Games Workshop gets off their arses and put away their marine boners and realise that since all 30k legions can uses automata, plus 40k Admech when IA14 comes out, we at least deserve plastic Castellax, Thallax and Magos.
I want one too, brother tech-priest, but we must be patient.

>>50482142
Hah. I do like the well-endowed eagle of disapproval, but I've never had it be high enough on my priority list to buy one. My planned answer to Primarchs is Scoria and his Vorax if I go Cybernetica, or a group of Grav-myrmidons in a Triaros when playing Reductor. Enjoy 12 almost guaranteed AP2 wounds, Horus, and if I equaled your cost it would be 24 discounting the retinue and difference in transport costs.

>>50482561
I mean, he's highly unlikely to be charging into genuine battle and I think I'd like to be certain about keeping a hold of the handle bars.
Unless you were talking about leather gloves, which I agree he is sorely lacking.

>>50482695
More spoilers?

>>50482743
>I've never had it be high enough on my priority list to buy one.
Well, I haven't got one either, but my FLGS has one and I'm the only who I've seen use any fortifications beyond an aegis.

>>50482793
Kat is qt.

Servitor unit Graft is a bro.

Olly sounds like a British Clint Eastwood who is perpetually too old for this shit.

Using anatheme makes you travel through space and time. So the best question when using it to travel around is "When are we?"?

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>>50482814
Ah, cool. I was considering getting some Haemotrope Reactors and some Myrmidon Secutors next to a cyber-occularis to greet Deepstrikers with 18 S6AP3 blasts, or to upgrade a Thanatar Cynis to 4 large blasts. Shame the Mechanicum has no long-ranged shot or small blast plasma.

They fit in really damn well with my plans for a Xana II darkmech army, too. Going to get the first 30k models Xmas.

>>50482869
>So few fortification slots
>So many things to put in them
Whyyyyyy GW.
WHYYYYY!

>>50482903
>Looks at Castellan FOC for Age of Darkness
>Notices it has 4 Fortification slots

... yeah, too bad there's no way to take more than one fortification :^)

>>50482903
Makrotechs allow you +1 fortification, which can be multipart as per Stronghold/Planetary Assault, both of which have attacker-defender FOCs in addition to 30k's Castelan FOC.

>>50482943
Can you believe the SA have Dedicated Aegis lines?

>>50482903
>>50482943

Or just take a Magos Macrotek for rerollable 3+ battlesmith and an extra fortification, but that might be a bit of a waste of a Magos Prime Space PHD.

>>50482962
He doesn't need to be the Archmagos, a regular Magos Prime Macrotek unlocks the thing.
But damn they're expensive indeed.

>>50482992
They need to be, because otherwise we could spam army-wide buffs for little cost.
As is I use 1 Magos Reductor in allied, 1 barebones Magos Dominus/with Machinator Array, then Scoria, and in 3k+ games I bring either an extra Dominus or a Magos Prime of some kind.

I do like the custom though, my 40k Magos Dominus is so BORING in comparison. All he has is a choice between 2 guns, a 5pts 4++ and possibly a relic.

>>50482992
>But damn they're expensive indeed.
It's not like you HAVE to make Mr. BuildingBro T6 2+/3++ right?

>>50483094
Yeah, you can keep them cheap. When I theorycraft lists (as aforementioned, army is being bought Xmas) my Domini and extra Magi have nothing, or only a Machinator or Familiar, and my Warlord gets all the presents.

He's usually Scoria since he's awesome and fluffy for a Xana army, so that saves some points (somehow, a 315 pt char SAVES POINTS sometimes).

>>50480798
>Primarch and a Knight.
Pretty sure you can't do that. They're both seperate LoW choices, so he's cheating you somewhere.

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>>50483119
I'm just appaled by their 95+pts cost plus PhD, all of that before wargear.
I guess he better strip down and stay at home. Huh, fem Macrotek

>>50479849
I actually like the concept of pre-history immortal humans who knew the Emperor personally and give glimpses into the DAOT. I had no issue with Legion and like Grammaticus

But yeah most agree Pious being one was a dumb idea. His immortal arc should have been merged with Jon Grammaticus imo.

>>50475076
>Land is thinking "hey if we all had invulnerable cars and scaled that up we wouldn't have to worry about anything"
Point is traitors woulg get the same things, only better and in bigger numbers, since they got all the major forge worlds allied with them and have traitors amongst loyalist mechanicum leaking them newest loyalist tech.

>>50483150
Not cheating me, I cant play yet since my 30k Mechanicus army is currently limited by how much Xmas money I get/feel like spending and so is currently at 0. Also want to buy a Knight to finish WarConvo first.

Maybe they agreed on this, fucked if I know. Was just the game on the next board while I ripped some hapless Tau to bits with Shroudpsalm.

>>50483184
>only better
traitors are incapable of making things that aren't dinosaurs or infested by shitty daemons, so they'll never get the tech advantage

>>50483164
>tfw you will never be an Imperial Fist captain having autistic chats about the finer points of Architecture with the 10/10 wouldn't-bang-because-you-are-the-Emperor's-bulwark-against-the-Terror fem Macrotek
Why live?

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>>50483209
>I ripped some hapless Tau to bits with Shroudpsalm.
You're doing the Omnissiah's work.
>>50483229
Anon, my day is barely starting, don't turn it lemon-sour just yet.

>>50483229
>Iron Warriors captain having an autistic chat about the finer points of architecture
FTFY.

Pert was all about architecture. That guy loved him some architecture. Even Fulgrim admitted it!

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>>50483256
>Even Fulgrim admitted it!
Damn right he did.
Also, Kyr fortifies better than any IF save perhaps Dorn

>>50483229
>Why live?
>live
Even in death you can do that, if you're an ultramarine.

>>50483164
>TWINS THEY WERE!

Ultramarines won at Calth

>>50483377
Rogal Dorn puts the Fist into the Imperial Fists.

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>>50483531

>>50477388
Hidden star fortresses across the galaxy.

>>50483377
no, chaos meant to lose so that means they won

>>50483670
ADB told me that.

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>>50481713
The only official image shows what could pass for a Native American chapter symbol, and the Legend of the Rainbow Warrior (that the Greenpeace ship was named after) was a fake Native American environmentalist prophecy. By "fake" I mean that's what most people thought it was, but it was actually based on a proselytizing Christian piece trying to convince Native Americans of the second coming of Christ.

However, it could also look like a Norse carving, and they did have the idea of a "rainbow bridge" connecting this world to the afterlife.

At some point a fan created an image showing a Rainbow Warrior in Mk VII armor with a multicolored feathered plume on his head, and that's where the Aztec/Mayan theme came from - not at all official, but more people have seen that image than the Rogue Trader one.

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>>50483679

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Anyone doing the Black Library advent calendar? If yes, can you please share picture related?

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>>50483377
>Smurfs lose 147,000 Marines
>~60% of their entire Legion
>WB's lose only 50,000 and fulfill strategic objective of cutting off Guilliman from Terra via the Ruinstorm

Nope

>>50480974
In Vengeful Spirit it's implied that they're a race of pre-humans who existed before the Great Flood of antiquity.

>>50483839
I know, and the fact Guilliman remained alive meant the bulk of the UM wasn't present at Terra after he wasted time with the entirely-justified-from-his-POV Imperius Secundus...but fans say you lost, so you lost.

Sorry about that ;^)

>>50483886
>entirely-justified-from-his-POV Imperius Secundus
There is no justification for being a traitor, even a temporary one.

>>50483853
We got at answer from picture related >>50483806

They are a vestigial branch of the human race. Each one is born with special powers and all of them are immortal. So basically, they are X-men in SPESS!

>>50483886
I still find it hilarious that Rawbutt assumes people are dead the minute they don't immediatly answer his phonecalls.

>I would make a 'reminds me of a GF I had' joke here, if only I ever had one...

>>50483911
He was pretty much making an elaborated wake after he thought Emps had died
>>50483948
Indeed. Quite eagerly to be fatalistic now that I think about it. "Classic Imperium, to get destroyed by traitors. Only my 500 worlds can be trusted".
But I guess we'll have to wait for that Ruinstorm novel.
>Greentext
Come on buddy, you had one, even if she didn't do that particular thing.

>>50483886
>the bulk of the UM wasn't present at Terra
That was thanks to the Ruinstorm - same reason he couldn't get word from Dorn. He was never going to make it back in time without some kind of deus ex machina like the White Scars found.

So Olly has a personal dislike for the Emperor. Care to guess why, guys?

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>>50483948
>a communication disruption can mean only one thing
>they're fucking dead

>>50484062
The religion thing maybe?

>>50484062
Maybe he was jealous of His existence not being fluff raep.

>>50484037
It's not like the Pharos is one, ask Sanguinius.
But also ask the Lion, where was he?

>>50483886
>the entirely-justified-from-his-POV Imperius Secundus
Imperium secundus is only really justified by black library piling on the retcons until they realize they need something for half of the legions to do while horus actually gets to earth.

The amount of bullshit they've pulled with Calth and Ultramar in general is arguably even more of a mess than what they've done with Nikaea/Prospero.

I don't even want to know what they're doing for the siege and vengeful spirit.

>>50482750
ever seen a flayed hand?
i have...
it's pretty nasty

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>>50484227
None of us are ready for what will happen once BL reaches Terra. The retcons will be out of this world. Pray to Spiidesh for deliverance.

>>50484275
It will be like the coming of the apocalypse. Loyalists legions turning out to be traitors, and traitor legions turning out to be loyalist. Daemons making out with Sisters of Silence. Marines wielding bolter rounds that fire boltguns. Custodes cavorting naked in the streets. Perturabo and Dorn coming together in unholy union.

And all will be despair.

>>50484329
>>50484275
I can almost fucking guarantee Abaddon tearing the talon of horus off will be made into some epic ascension planned millennia ago by all the powers of chaos, rather than him just looting the body of his commander for an icon of authority to lord over the remnants.

>>50483215
>implying daemon-infested robo-dinosaurs aren't awesome

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>>50484329
Spider God preserve us all.
>Custodes cavorting naked in the streets
And then Bruva Alfabusa's work becomes canon.
>>50484356
I'm half-expecting that honestly. If a daemon says it's probably just a daemon talking about junk it doesn't know about(lying).

why is the UK podcast scene for heresy so fucking lame compared to the rest of the world? hes such a monotone boring fuck with his almost mute painting sidekick... we need Australians and yanks to teach the brits

>>50484523
Eye of Horus and Age of Darkness confirmed for best podcasts.

Haven't listened to Radio Free Istvaan, anyone care to give it a quick review?

>>50484726
>Haven't listened to Radio Free Istvaan, anyone care to give it a quick review?
Not as much fun, but it's the best as far as rules and list discussion. It's also a fine culinary and cultural exploration of the American Midwest.

>>50484726
>Hear about Eye of Horus
>Find first episode, start listening
>They immediately launch into discussion about the mechanicum army of some guy I don't know and don't bother introducing
Are there some nega-episodes where they introduce people.

Laurie Goulding is leaving for LA... I wonder if he'll be working on the Star Wars backstory.

I'll actually miss him. I know he grates on some people, but it sure beat GW's previous uncoordinated efforts.

>>50484865

Not a popular opinion to have around here.

He was a nice guy once, and maybe this distance will help him see the light

>>50484356
Abaddon was in grief. It wasn't about power.

Also Be'lakor will be revealed to be the benefactor of Abaddon (Unknown to him on behalf of the Chaos Gods whom he hates). His ascension would be a part of a millions year old plan by Be'lakor which was in fact the plan of the Chaos Gods all along.

>>50484384
Get back in your cage, parrot.

>>50484865
Early 00s Black Library was the best time for Warhammer fiction, we got Soul Drinker trilogy, Night Lords stuff, Helsreach, Gaunt's Ghosts and Ciaphas Cain series as well as Inquisitor and Eisenhorn stuff. All good shit.

If Laurie is the one responsible for "cleaning" WH40K's lore and trying to run it as a comic book lore then I wont miss him and I hope BL goes back to telling stories set in 40k as opposed telling stories about 40k.

>>50484902
Oh don't you worry, BL will make it about power for Abbadon.

Or about sellout craze.

>>50484902
>Implying Be'lakor isn't some irrelevant Old One chaos junkie who takes credit for some of Tzeentch's schemes and isn't dancing to the unheard tune of the big 4

>>50475448
>Destroyer Squads
Too expensive. Should be 100 base like 15ish ppm and 50 for packs

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>>50484854
Nope. It's Tim, who plays loyalist Mechanicum and is a big fan of Ferrus Manus and the Iron Hands, and Michael, who plays Imperial Fists Stone Gauntlet and is a good painter (and is planning on starting White Scars).

Age of Darkness is the podcast to go to if you're into the BL novels (yes, there's another podcast that actually goes through them in detail, After Ullanor, but in a verbose yet superficial manner). JP (Jean-Phillipe) is a French Canadian Iron Warriors player and thinks the Emperor is a dick. Mark plays... Cults and Militia, I think. He's there more for rules discussions than fluff. Lately they've been bringing on Miles from Lil' Legend Studios (commission painting) for their weekly how to paint a legion segment.

Radio Free Isstvan is Ryan Kimmel out of Indiana. He plays drop assault Salamanders and bike-heavy Blood Angels and wrote a treatise on how to use bikes and jetbikes. He also makes "Just the tips" Youtube videos for beginners. Most rules-knowledgeable guy in 30k podcasting, imo. Michael plays Raven Guard and Blood Angels and is based in Texas (the Forgotten Legion 30k group). He's not bad with rules either, and both of them organize events that sound pretty awesome.

>>50478219

Thunder Hammers. Being 450pts of 5++ is pretty turd-tier if he's Concussed and can't use his HnR.

>>50482213
Where did the red hair come from?

>tfw your wife cheats on you so you sleep with 4 generations of her children

>>50484921
I agree on the 40k stuff, but when the HH series went in the direction of Battle of the Abyss, it needed help.

He doesn't decide what gets written, just keeps track of how the timelines and characters relate to each other.

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>>50485169
Inbreeding will do that to you.

OK HHG R8 my fist-list!
Castellan Force Organisation Chart
HQ
Legion Chaplain
Artificer Armour, Solarite Power Gauntlet, Refractor Field.
140
Elites
Templar Brethren
5 extra members, Nuncio Vox, 10 combat shields
Champion W/ Solarite Power Gauntlet
370
Troops
Phalanx Warders
2 Plasma Guns, Vexila, Nuncio Vox
Sgt W/ Power Axe, Artificer Armor, Melta Bombs
335
Troops
Phalanx Warders
2 Plasma Guns, Vexila, Nuncio Vox
Sgt W/ Power Axe, Artificer Armor, Melta Bombs
335
Tactical Squad
Additional CCW, Vexila
155
Fortifications
Macro Cannon Aquila Strongpoint
4 additional Heavy Bolters (in the Main Strongpoint), Ammo Store (Main Strongpoint), 2 Void Shields, (one on each building section)
640
Agis Defence Line
Ammo Dump
70
Agis Defence Line
Ammo Dump
70
LOW
Rogal Dorn
385
2500

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>>50484329

>All these people being bad a DA fluff
Following the destruction of Caliban during the scouring the Dark Angels became a fleet based chapter and moved their recruitment to the nearby Plainsworld, a planet with Native American themes.

This remained their recruiting world until some time during or after M36* when the recruiting party returned to find that genestealers had taken over the planet and enslaved the people. Following the customs of their people when going on a suicide mission they painted themselves bone white and decorated themselves with mortuary symbols.

After the success of their assault the remaining marines purged the population of any sign of taint and divided the survivors amongst themselves as new tribes and taught them the ways of the plains people.

When the Dark Angels arrived to figure out what the hell was taking them they decided to leave the terminator armor white in honor of the campaign and left the marines on plainsworld to live out their lives leading the people.

In light of the danger losing their sole recruiting role could pose the Dark Angels switched over to having multiple recruiting worlds including Piscina V and Kimmeria.

*At least 50 years after the Exterminatus of Thranx, a planet whose last dated appearance is in M36

>>50484921
Laurie had nothing to do with the change to 40k, as he only worked as an editor and lore master for the Horus Heresy. He only wrote a few stories in 40k and that's the extent of his involvement there.

Reading Master of Mankind.
Blood Angel, Custodes and Knights are walking very deeeeeep underground, after many hours of walking in the palace's undergrounds they reached Eternity Gate so Sanguinius holding Eternity Gate was fighting deep underground? I always imagined it as fighting before palaces entry on the surface.

>>50485169
First, that's clearly blonde.
Second, Tomaroo probably has a recessive blond gene.

>>50485705
Isn't Eternity Gate right before the throne room? Which is obviously underground in the Imperial Dungeon?

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>>50485705
The Imperial Palace is a hive city and that section of the palace is the size of the Himalayas, there's bound to be layers upon layers of buildings dug deep into the mountain, so yeah its underground or at least a giant structure rather than a gate in an open field.

>>50485705
The throne room at least being underground has been a thing since the Rogue Trader days.

>>50485257
1) Aquilla Strongpoints are more than 500 points which makes them a LoW.
2) Just get a bastion and combine it with the aegis lines to make an Imperial Strongpoint.
3) Templar brethren are not a good retinue for Dorn. Templars want to fill the opponent's infantry's asses with power swords Dorn wants to show off his 7-9 S7 AP shredding attacks on the charge +2D3 to combat res to your opponents warlord.
4) Learn to format

>>50485838
>Aquilla Strongpoints are more than 500 points which makes them a LoW.
wut

>>50485862
Newest book, fortifications worth more 500 points are LoW.
Presumably Primus Redoubts and Castellan Strongpoints are exceptions since they are listed as Fortifications in the same book.

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>>50485954
I disagree.

>>50486018
well... fuck... i guess it's an onslaught detachment then... with one less voidshield for points and some barricades to replace the agis defence lines

>>50485954
Lords of War are taboo in 2k?
Ive played a few proxy games of 30k while waiting for Xmas to start Mechanicum, and ive been taking a squad of myrmidons in every one just to kill the inevitable primarch. Should I be telling them not to use Knight+PM at that level against a newfag? I assumed I just sucked.

Also, does Primarchs Chosen still use the LoW slot? Or can they take another along with it?

>>50486068
>onslaught detachment
One heavy support mandatory.

>>50486087
>Primarchs Chosen still use the LoW slot?
You can't take LoW with that RoW.
So it's actually impossible to take exactly one knight and a Primarch.

>>50486110
OK, then. Next time, Scoria, just to punish that one. Knight Atrapos, meet Lightning Fighter. He has 4 presents for you, and the Magos Reductor buffed them special.

Also, allies. Normal? I was going to add a couple Reductor tanks as well as a Magos to my Cybernetica for the + 1 Damage table + Sunder buff on something big like those Kraken missiles, because more Boom is required.

>>50486094
with the saved points from the void shields and the aegis defence lines i have slipped in a scorpius.

>>50486141
>and the Magos Reductor buffed them special.
Only if he's near it.

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>>50486222
>Scorpius
Excellent choice.

>>50482869
I love how it looos, I do not care what ot does.

Same with the electro priests.

>>50486325
why settle for anything less than complete annihilation of your enemy, the destruction of his armies and the whining of his super bitter petulant manchild primarch?

Who has the new banner? The one with the Custodes.

>>50478143
In my experience, primarch fights usually end the turn after one of the bodyguard units die.

I've had Kurze up against Scoria and someone's custom Sanguinius rules and usually the one with better bodyguards wins. which is why my raptor champion accepted Scoria's challenge so that the Night Haunter could go ham on all those big-bots.

>>50486325

And still they did not win the right to bear the Aquilla.

>>50486316
True, but flying the plane on from reserves within 6" of him shouldnt be too difficult, and even with the ion shield thats still really painful, especially at BS6 from cognis signum.

By my rather shitty mathhammer, 4 Krakens at +1 damage table (Already AP1, so effective 4+ explodes), Ordnance, Armourbane and Sunder at BS6 do 5.92 HP to an AV13 target, 2.96 with the ion shield.
They will probably kill any non-superheavy and, if you can flank the Knight with something big, almost def. kill it with either the 6HP or 3HP plus whatever else you shoot the open side with. Nice, for 210 pts.

>>50486432
>custom Sanguinius rules
Post?
>>50486373
You mean the giant double eagle onna stick?

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>>50486368
Why indeed?

>>50486532
I meant the /hhg/ banner.

>>50486373
Um....I do?
Why?

Would make a baller EC or general imperial Herald Banner.

>>50486559
Anyone who checks the last couple of threads.

>>50486475
I know. What the hell, Emperor?
>>50486487
No just saying so you were aware of it. I mean it's a flyer, it'll get there in like a single turn of movement. But it has to get there, so don't forget it.
Nice maths.

>>50486487
Also, BS6 isn't that better than BS5, which you can get from Ground-tracking auguries instead of from a Djinn-skein, which you can't get if you bring Scoria as your Archmagos.
I think, because there can be only one. Or at least that's what happens with Archmagos Dominus, which Scoria happens to be.

>>50486588
>I know. What the hell, Emperor?
According to lexicanum Fulgrim was found two Primarchs in front of Dorn, so it's just a matter of getting there first.

>>50486475
Why settle for a bird when you've already got the Emperor's right hook emblazoned on your armor?