Horus Heresy General /hhg/

First for Legio Custodes

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Second for Xana Transfers.

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Did somebody say Xana?

What would you guys think about Heavy Bolters being an option for Legion Tactical Support Squads in the Troops slot, rather than a squad that takes up a Heavy Support slot?

>>50487030
they were meant to undertake missions were failure wasn't an option : their greatest victories were always against impossible odds and with no hope of reinforcements.

>>50487397
we know it's you Dorn

REVISED FISTIN LIST!
Onslaught Force Organisation Chart
HQ
Legion Chaplain
Artificer Armour, Solarite Power Gauntlet, Refractor Field.
140
Elites
Templar Brethren
5 extra members, Nuncio Vox, 10 combat shields
Champion W/ Solarite Power Gauntlet
370
Troops
Phalanx Warders
2 Plasma Guns, Vexila, Nuncio Vox
Sgt W/ Power Axe, Artificer Armor, Melta Bombs
335
Phalanx Warders
2 Plasma Guns, Vexila, Nuncio Vox
Sgt W/ Power Axe, Artificer Armor, Melta Bombs
335
Tactical Squad
5 additional men Additional CCW, Vexila
Sgt W Artificer Armor, Power Fist
240
Heavy Suport
Whirlwind Scorpius
115
LOW
Macro Cannon Aquila Strongpoint
4 additional Heavy Bolters (in the Main Strongpoint), Ammo Store (Main Strongpoint), 2 Barriers
610
Rogal Dorn
385
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>>50487320
I believe somebody did say Xana. Why do you ask?
Anyway, we seriously need some transfers for that place. That lightning bolt animal skull emblem is a tad hard to fit on a regular Castellax, and really fiddly on even a Knight. Hell, the little cog-with-an-X symbol is hard enough.

Also, how would you make the colour scheme on the Lascannon Thanatar on the FW store? Want to make a Xana army but can't figure it out. Maybe Zandri Dust with layer Tau light ochre and washed heavily around the edges with Agrax, and lightly everywhere else.

Also, shift Scoria to the LoW slot already, and make him available in Reductor armies, FW. The man deserves it.

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>>50487458
This Thanatar, if you're looking.
Also, make Scoria something that has to be represented on the model, so pe

>>50487473
#so no using a regular Magos as him. Convert an awesome DarkMech badass or dont use the awesome DarkMech badass, guys.

Anyone got that picture of Sarum and Mantilla helmets on MkII armour?

I'd get them myself but my internet's being shitty and taking ages to download the black books

One of my friends doesn't believe that the MkVII style helmets popped up occasionally

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Lets do this.

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>>50487590

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>>50487473
Boooo pic for ants

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>>50487694
That weapon on the giant robot reminds me of the plasma cutter for some reason

>>50487682
Cheers babe

I want Alpharius, Dorn and Scoria models.

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>>50487733

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>>50487741
Son, sometimes you have to wait. They'll probably come out somewhere between Book 9-12.

>>50487723
Well it is my headcanon, but that graviton thing is from when mankind had mastered graviton tech, and Dead Space's setting, set in the 2500-ish has mastered the graviton just like the electron. So yeah, that archaeotech is fom Dead space.

Did Legion squads ever deploy in mixed armor units? Would there ever be some mk IIIs suits in a tactical squad made up mostly of mk IVs.

I think it'd look awesome to see some mixed armor units. Be a lot more interesting too look at than a regular one, even if it might look a bit disorganized.

>>50487790
I could definitely see blackshields doing that, or legionaries that had been fighting for a long time so maintaining whole squads worth of the same suits would become hard

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>>50487414
No my friend, it is me, Nrod Lagor, long-lost Primarch of the 2nd legion!

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>>50487790
>Did Legion squads ever deploy in mixed armor units? Would there ever be some mk IIIs suits in a tactical squad made up mostly of mk IVs.
That's a very, very, very, very, very, very, very incredibly dumb question, Anon. The squad's not going to get in trouble because Brother Craig decided to wear mk2 in a mk4 squad. I'm sorry. Also what >>50487819 said.

>>50487779
>necromorphs, brother moons, and markers are all caused by the warp

I like this, I'm adding Dead space to my list of non-official 40k prequels, taking it's place alongside event horizon and the original doom series

>>50487819
yeah thought about that. would definitely be a thing by the time the "Mk V pattern" was "developed" since they had to start mix and matching suits just to get by in a few cases.

>>50487868
But "MkV pattern" was "developed" anon

You aren't referring to non-production MkV are you anon? Because that might start another armour autism war

And thatch certainly not what we would want, having just got over the MoM shittening...

>>50487858
awwww too bad

>>50487790
Well, I would imagine so.

Mark 3 is just Mark 2 with armour strapped to it, Mark V was made ad-hoc with whatever they could, and it and everything after it were made to be backwards-compatible with Mark IV.

Some people might say it's an eyesore, but unless they're randomly mixed without rhyme or reason there's no reason to complain. Even in "plain" squads the idea of the formation being ad-hoc legitimises mixed armour.

Space Marines use an absolute jumble of armour designs even within their own suit of power armour in 40k. One would imagine that back when they got suits shipped to them from an assembly line, they'd use the newer, "fresher" ones rather than wait until everything old had worn out or they had a big enough stockpile of the new ones to make the switch(es) overnight.

>>50487858
salamanders veteran squads can and do

>>50487937
Why don't the Reavers get brought up more? They liked to mix their armor with sub-patterns until they felt it was just right.

>>50487834
kek

>>50487790
No, because MkIII was usually reserved for Zone Mortalis actions.

MkII and MkIV make sense, though.

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>>50487858
>The squad's not going to get in trouble because Brother Craig decided to wear mk2 in a mk4 squad.
Brother Craig, I am disappointed. Paint your helmet red in shame and never violate uniform regulations again.

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>>50487996
Can I paint my armour in Sister of Silence blood for protection from psykers?

>>50487996
that remembrancer sketch make him looks like titus

Help me HHG, what legion shall I pick? I know, I'll not pick a traitor legion, so those, Dark Trai... Angels and Jiffys are out since I don't like these 2 at all. I have 2x the BoP Marine stuff sitting around as a cheap tactical base so I can put the teal money in some tanks and Leviathan Dreads of wich one should arrive next week since I had some money left over and was greedy as fuck about the sweet model, but I can't decide for shit.

I'd like to run tactical blobs with apothecaries, have some artillery sitting in the back pounding the enemy at range and at least 2 Leviathan dreads stumbling across the battlefield. What legion would you suggest that is most fitting with this idea of mine? (I'm not looking for the ultimate advice but some help to decide, but CC about the effectiveness of my "battleplan" is very welcome, too)

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>>50487996
Are you sure we can't talk this over? What do you have to lose?
>>50488017
No. It doesn't work that way!
>>50488019
The irl artist used Mark Strong as her basis.

>>50488031
like about 14 legions could fit that description.
what does your heart tell you?

>>50488031
What you have described is quite literally Iron Warriors Ironfire.

>>50488031
>Help me HHG, what legion shall I pick? I know, I'll not pick a traitor legion, so those, Dark Trai... Angels
Come up with that joke yourself?

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>>50488040
>No. It doesn't work that way!
Which bodily fluid is it then?

>>50488031
>I'd like to run tactical blobs with apothecaries, have some artillery sitting in the back pounding the enemy at range and at least 2 Leviathan dreads stumbling across the battlefield.

>mfw

(Also, Death Guard, and IH + Sallies).

>>50488031
Sounds like you want Iron Hands or Yellow Fists, but...

>the teal money
Tells me you're looking for loyalist Sons of Horus.

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>>50488069
>Which bodily fluid is it then?
None of them. I mean there is a book the Murder Clowns had that had the skin of some SoSs on it, but Inquisitor Fancy Coat stole it. Also the Emperor wouldn't like that.

>>50488048
Maybe fists, but I don't like yellow that much and I don't wanna run pseudo IW fists like the anon who posted his silver fists over and over.

>>50488051
Problem is: I'm not gonna play traitors ever.

>>50488068
Perturabo is that you?

>>50488083
yea, their colors look nice, but a lot of CC is not my thing.

>>50488124
>Problem is: I'm not gonna play traitors ever.

Loyalist IW anon, there's quite a few of them around.

Does anyone else think that MoM is hinting that the Emperor is actually going to die?

The Sisters plug in 1000 psykers which is the same amount they used to have to sacrifice to the throne everyday.

The Astronomican isnt powered by Emps and I dont remember a reference to him directing it in the HH series.

>>50488173
Are you for real?

>>50488165
Playing a loyalist part of a later illoyal legion feels kind of wrong.

>>50488124
>but I don't like yellow that much
It is a nightmare to paint. (Without an airbrush).
That said, perhaps the spray can will make my life easier, or else that new concentrated paint can help me get a base paint that's the hue I like.

Honestly you should go with whatever legion's fluff floats your boat, and work the gameplay around the crunch that's out there.

Unfortunate if it's the incomplete legions you like, but of all of them, the Dark Angels are one where Tactical blobs are likely to be of some use, and not stand-out unfluffy.

>>50488173
>and I dont remember a reference to him directing it in the HH series
But isn't that what kept him confined to Terra after Magnus smashed open a mini-warp rift in Terra? And it's how Malcador dies too, when Big E leaves for like a day to go fight Horus.

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>>50488124
Ain't bitter enough to be him. Just tired of the DAs are traitors joke. I don't know if they out-number the Ferrus head jokes, but I know they have been ran into the ground.
>>50488173
The man himself a long time ago said he guides it, and let me just stop. Just to look at this.
>Does anyone else think that MoM is hinting that the Emperor is actually going to die?
>Does anyone else think that MoM is hinting that the Emperor is actually going to die?
He's not going to die, just go on life support.

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At long last, another Bitter Boy joins the fray! Had so much to do these past 2 weeks I couldn't sit down and paint.

Happy with the stripes. Ended up covering almost compteley the ones on the fists with the claws but fuck it, they're still rad.

Just need to base him when the glue is dry, leaving it overnight for now.

>>50488031
Sons of Horus

>>50488191
>Are you for real?
Yes...

They plug them in so Emperor can gt off the throne and fight in the webway. So if it can work then maybe thats whats holding shit closed now.

Im not saying it is. Im just worried that Retcon Library is hinting at this.

>>50488220
Looks nice, Anon. Maybe it's your lighting, but those lens could be a little brighter for my taste.
>>50488230
That's what you're getting at.
>Im just worried that Retcon Library is hinting at this
I won't be too worried, Anon.

>>50488220
That looks good anon, if I had one tiny little thing to say, maybe wrap the hazard stripes all the way around the claw? I can't explain why, I'm just not big on the divide between the stripes and metal

But it looks really good anon, nice work

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>>50487884
>And thatch certainly not what we would want

>>50487969
Reavers made up a tiny minority of post-Istvaan forces, probably not enough to sway this futile argument.

>>50488124
>I don't like yellow that much
Just spray your dudes silver, give em a Nuln oil wash and paint a couple of vambraces yellow. It's tried and tested Anon, we'll know they're supposed to be IF.

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>>50488215
>Ain't bitter enough to be him. Just tired of the DAs are traitors joke
Indeed, the question about their loyalty was answered ages ago, but I guess old habits die hard.
That's why nowadays I only make gay and illuminati jokes about them

Anyone got the Burning of prospero painting guide pdf/epub?

>>50488269
>Reavers made up a tiny minority of post-Istvaan forces, probably not enough to sway this futile argument.
Just saying.
>>50488281
Good man. It's funny how people forget that Traitor Marines hate the newer equipment because it's loyalist equipment and prefer to stick to what they know. The Dangles being loyalists get the new gear like other loyalists.

>>50488195
Congratulations on getting your Horus Heresy lore from 15 years ago.

>>50488220
Just some cleanup on the fists and you're set! Good job anon, stay bitter.

>>50488124
You know you can just play Loyalist IW, right?

>>50488213
The painting is not the problem, I painted 40k IFs before, an airbrush is not really needed, but rather handy, I give you that. It's the color itself that I don't really like.

Fluffwise I like nearly every loyalist legion, except for doggies and DA, that is my exact problem right now. I've never been this undecided about this before, it makes me feel like a 16 y/o girl deciding between douchebag boyfriends... at least I imagine this feels the same.

>>50488321
>It's funny how people forget that Traitor Marines hate the newer equipment because it's loyalist equipment
It's not, and more than half of mars declared to horus
>and prefer to stick to what they know
Maybe. Subjective.

>>50488213
>But isn't that what kept him confined to Terra after Magnus smashed open a mini-warp rift in Terra?
No malc dies holding the webway closed during the end of the siege as far as the old lore was concerned. When Emps goes up to fight Horus.

The Astronomican is powered by the psykers of some latin named astronomican branch that die off to power it. The Emps just directs it I believe. I just cant remember that being mentioedn in the HH series is all. And if they retcon that then Emps doesnt actually have to be alive anymore. 1000 psykers sacrificed every day to keep webway shut. Astronmcan does its own thing. Imperial faith creates LoD and Saints.

I just dont like how easy it fits together.

>>50488352
Ok, another approach - have you read any of the novels? I really liked Deliverance Lost for ex, and that's part of why I picked Alpha Legion.

Is there any character or piece that really inspires you?

>>50488341
I do, but I don't like it.

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>>50488325
Old lore mentioned that some Traitors realized what they were doing was wrong after Emps murderized Horus. This would not however change Fulgrim as he was date raped too hard.
>>50488355
I beg to differ.

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Have faith /hhg/.

>>50488376
>I really liked Deliverance Lost for ex
For what?

>>50488173
>that the Emperor is actually going to die?

Anon, this is going to be a shocker but the Emperor has always been in a state of undeath, he barely lives and his life support is going down the shitter as he has been dying for the past 10 millenia. He is the CARRION LORD OF MANKIND, not the "sickly baron of humanity", I mean the fucker is a literal rotting skeleton.

>>50488400
for example, I abbreviated?

Or do you mean why I liked it? I just thought the guessing game of who was an infiltrator was pretty funny, it wasn't overdone and had some nice moments.

>>50488399
The marine next to the mk3 Word Bear. Why does he have a tube on his foot?

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I want a retinue of Raven's Talon-equipped Tartaros termies to accompany a Forgelord, but the Tartaros lightning claws look lame compared to the Cataphractii ones. I'd use the Cataphractii ones but they come with the pteruges modeled on. Life is suffering anons, can you help me source some badass-looking lightning claws that will go well on the Tartaros chassis?

>>50488394
>proud of their own weapons
>doesn't use jetbikes and most of the shit they already useed before Dude where's my Land's Speeder
Differ back at you

>>50488433
just play with cataphractii, pussy

>>50488394
wtf? I hate bolters now!

>>50488452
No.

>>50488432
>mk3

TRIGGERED

But it's just a cable on many of the mk4 marines.

>>50488409
>sickly baron of humanity
Aww I want to give the Emperor some SCP-500, but those damn dark eldar captured it
http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-500

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>>50488462
do it

>>50488433
>>50488462
Just do a shoulder transplant, cut the claws at the elbow and glue them to the Tartaros shoulder.

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>>50488409
>"sickly baron of humanity"
Wasn't that title taken by Mortarion, though?

>I mean the fucker is a literal rotting skeleton.
True dat.

>>50488376
Yep, I read Horus Rising, Angel Exterminatus and Know no Fear. I like Perturabos bitterness, but I never went illoyal or xenos since I started the hobby 17+ years ago. On the other hand not playing the knight in shiny armor and being the bitter asshole for a change sounds more and more appealing...

>>50488432

Lots of the Calth models do. It's a cable.

>>50488435
I'm talking about what they have nowadays. Should have mentioned that.
>>50488454
Good. You get this faulty plasma gun.
>>50488468
Why do they need a cable for their feet?

>>50488433
You could see if you could find the claws from the chaos terminator lord? Not much chaos iconography on them, and they're similar in style to cataphractii claws.

you'd probably have to cut them from the shoulder as they're indominitus obviously, but you get the idea

So /hhg/, what's cooler in looks.

A Warhound, or a Reaver?

And I play Word Bearers so should I get a Chaos or an unmarked variant of the bodies?

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>>50488508
>illoyal
I like this word
>On the other hand not playing the knight in shiny armor and being the bitter asshole for a change sounds more and more appealing...
You can be a bitter asshole AND be the good guy.

>>50488508
>but I never went illoyal
Is English not your first language or do you just not like the term disloyal?

>>50488508
I liked Angel Exterminatus (the first half more than the second half), I liked how Kroeger just came across as this put upon everyman (every-marine?).

>>50488523
Reavers

Go normal but put some subtle chaos shit on them, the titan legions didn't go word bearer tier chaos-retardation until just before the siege

>>50488520
Good idea. I need 10 pairs but I'll see what China can do.

>>50488519
But loyalists use plasmaguns, anon.

I want a Kaigun.

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>>50488529
*swears in bitterness*

>>50488534
kek duh. Better ask him what is his original language rather than ask for the obvious. Also, I think the word you're looking for is "traitor"

>>50488550
They're cheap as chips on bit's websites, nobody ever gives their termi lords dual claws, that's just silly right?

I'm never going to disassemble him, he was my first ever model

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Well, /hhg/, should I pick this up, or is it Cruel Authoritarian Tyrant Father: the 40K novel?

>>50488534
My first language is kraut, I'm out of school since for 10 years and my job only requires english for maybe 10 e-mails per year. You could say my english is a little rusty.

>>50488554
It's not new like those Grav-guns, Centurion suits, Corpse-Missle launchers, Dreadknights, mk8, Land Raider Redeemers, Razorbacks, and a whole other assortment of goodies. Therefore it's kosher. And Kaiguns are rare because those idiotic daemons had to destroy Kai.

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As an early Christmas present Forgeworld is giving you 2000 pounds to buy a brand new HH army.

It must be an army you do not already have, and you are not allowed to just buy 10 Fellblades and re-sell them, that's cheating. Can't buy titans either.

What army would you build if you had this opportunity?

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>>50488584
I'll do you one better

>>50488564
Legend says he's still cursing up to this day
>Footage of the 11th Grand Battalion's neophytes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j3_iPskjxk

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>>50488564
Perty's shade are actually here >>50488220

>>50488529
Argh, it's really tempting and MK3 fits IW nicely and with a little tape even the hazard stripes are easy to paint...

>>50488618
White scars jetbike force, all six of them!

>>50488598
"since for"... there you have it, choke on my bad grammar!

>>50488623
>I'll do you one better

You're a bro, but I was also hoping for the board's opinions about whether or not it is shit. Downloaded nonetheless, thank you.

>>50488618
thousands and thousands of renegade guardsmen

I heard Phoenix Terminators are bad, is that true?

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>>50488640
>IWLibrarian.remempic

>>50488659
it's shit

>>50488659
Nicely written, but the story is shit

I'd say read it regardless, and then laugh at ADB, goulding, and the current state of BL in general

>>50488661
Nah

>>50488618
Fury of the ancients - 34 dreads (contemptors, donutdeos and leviathans) only the needed HQs ad one Tactical squad to have a meatshield for the HQs. Imperial Fists.

The Thirteenth Wolf or Children of Sicarus link?
>>50488623
I see that my pdf is given to people who need it. Good :).

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>>50488712
>no boxnaughts

what are you doing

>>50488547
I liked the whole thing honestly, one of the few "scify novels" I went through in one go on a weekend.

>>50488670
Proper kek.

>>50488641
>>50488660
>>50488712
Fuck yeah, excellent choices. Especially the herds upon herds of guardsmen, my maxed out squad of Volkite culverins need something to zap

>>50488659
This board's addicted to lore that either never existed or is from 2E. Random blogger #271 would have a better opinion.

>>50488719
It is the duty of every /hhg/ anon to share what he can with the other anons, autistic camaraderie is what keeps this thread slugging through the hard times

unfortunately no one has the thirteenth wolf or children of sicarus

>>50488352
Some people paint IF black or steel with just certain parts like the shoulderpads yellow.

>>50488618
That's tough, especially if it all has to be the same army.

My brain tells me Sons of Horus, but my heart says Ultrasmurfs.

>>50488741
>This board's addicted to lore that either never existed or is from 2E.

Huh. Well, ADB has said at B&C that he thinks 2E is the best lorewise too, sooo....

>>50488741
That's because our headcanon is better in our opinions than whatever BL shits out, and it puts us into fits of autistic rage when not exactly what we want is made

Doesn't help that what is made is shite though

>>50488766
doesn't really show it in his work, that's for sure

>>50488741
3E, more like. The Legions were still called Chapters back in 2E.

>>50488598
Makes sense my Germans grown pretty rusty from lack of use.

Had to ask, because I've seen native speakers do crazy and horrible things with this language.

>>50488659
Remember how the Emperor couldn't bring himself to go all out against Horus because of his emotional attachments?

Of course you don't, the Emperor only ever viewed Number Sixteen as a tool.

>>50488719

Perpetual Link?

>>50488659
Well written, but it's half battles in the webway and half the Emperor talking to people, either / both of which may or may not piss you off depending on your nature.
I liked it but mainly for the side stuff like the trip down to the Throne room, Land and the Blood Angel.

>>50488799
>the Emperor only ever viewed Number Sixteen as a tool.
Retcon alert!

>>50488795
Weren't they called Legiones Astartes back in 2E too? I swear I've seen a pic calling them that from 2E?

>>50488799
Oh you don't wanna know what a lot of germans do to their own language...

>>50488834
2e was the transitionary period. Some fluff called them Legions, some called them Chapters.

It wasn't until 3e that they stopped using "chapter" to describe the traitor marines entirely.

>>50488623
You brave magnificent bastard.

>>50488799
>the Emperor only ever viewed Number Sixteen as a tool.

n....n...no anonymous that shits all over all established fluff for the Emperor's battle with Horus, makes his not killing Horus outright unintelligible, and also shits on the Throne Room scene of the Inquisition War trilogy

it's not true

>>50488876
Laurie Goldstein already said he is going to retcon the final battle.

>>50488899
He out of BL. Let him spaz out all he wants.

>>50488899
>retconning the best version of the HH
FUCK HIM!.

>>50488899
>>50488918
>Laurie
>he

But that's a girl's name?

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>>50488876
Even Khorne can't handle this new fluff.
>>50488899
And I don't understand his reasoning other than he wants too.

>>50488930
Britbongs think otherwise.

>>50488534
You could say he 'illikes' the term disloyal.

>>50488618
Spend all that in IW torso upgrade sets, trigger /hhg/ and cry myself to sleep as always.

>>50488930
Gotta have a reason to be that much of an insufferable cunt.

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>>50488899
>>50488876

>>50489051
Goulding say lots of things, most are untrue. Dont take the bait.

>>50489069
I don't particularly like those lies either

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>>50489051
His reasoning being?

>>50489086
People just use him because he comments on topics a lot. His words arent gospel however no matter what he thinks.

>>50489069
Such as?

>>50489051
So he's shocked that people cling to a better story than a drivel of 50+ books? Ok, its his opinion I guess but people enjoy those books for a reason.

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>>50489119
How about this gem for the other day. I bet he doesnt see the irony in that signature either.

>Big E says that Primarchs aren't his sons, they are his tools.
I just read new ending of heresy. Horus killed Emperor on Vengeful Spirit but was mortally wounded. Seeing what he's done, killing his father that he loved so much Horus break and became loyal again. He used his Chaos enhanced OP psychic powers to look like Emperor. Dorn finds him and put him on a golden throne. Emperor on Golden Throne is in truth Horus. Abaddon finds Big E burned corpse and took his talon thinking that's Talon of Horus. Abaddon is now trying to get vengance on his own father.
Best ending ever with nice plot twist.

Which Mk. of suits would fit Iron Warriors best? I was think of a mix between Mk. III and IV.

>>50489377

>Iron Warriors
>Not wearing Iron Armour

Are you retarded? I swear the quality of posters here keeps on getting worse.

>>50489420
Sorry dude, no need to throw a fit. I was going to do majority Mk. III but wanted to mixed some other models in there so I don't get bored. Was just wondering if the later Mks were lore friendly or not.

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>>50489377
MkVI.
Any mark really. MkII was line armour and MkIV was built to replace it, while MkIII-Best-armour certainly looks well and makes sense for frontal assaults, but ultimately it's a specialist armour not meant to replace MkII. Doesn't mean you can't field like 100 dudes in it ;^).
Also, believe it or not, the IW also had lots of MkVI
>>50489420
Fuck off

>>50488857
Speak it in that incredibly whiny accent that all the yutes in Berlin seem to have?

>>50488955
Pretty sure that used to be word, though. Not sure when they made it into a two word phrase.

Does anyone have the Burning of Prospero painting guide?

>>50489476
>Not sure when they made it into a two word phrase
I think "dislike" is still a single word. What's a yute?

>>50489543
>I think "dislike" is still a single word.
I was referring to "ill like."

>What's a yute?
A goddamn setup to post a clip from one of the best legal films of all time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu8tX2BAD1k

>>50489377
they had mk6 too, and are shown wearing it often in the horus heresy visions art

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What if the volkite option for a Combi-Weapon was a Culverin instead of a Charger?

>>50489602
Ohh nice
I'm a bit sad I didn't catch the joke until the end because my hearing comprehension is bad enough I aid it with context clues and facial expressions

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>>50489376

>alpha legion know this and are actively trying to kill Horus now

>>50489376
>>50489834
>all those mentions of "the false emperor"
It all makes sense now.

if I really like the smell of phosphex in the morning, IW or Death Guard?

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>>50489903
Either? Death Guard Anyone but the Salamanders, really. I mean, Corax did use nukes on civilians.

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>>50489941

>mk8 chest plate on that Mk4

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>>50489903
Night Lords

>mfw phosphex in the daycare

>>50489958
That terminator armour looks strange
>>50489956
Lorgar please!

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>>50489958
>>50490015
>That terminator armour looks strange

Looks awesome too though, he's properly integrated with it.

What's on the Christmas wish lists anons?

>>50489051
Don't worry he is Jewing off to LA to join some shitty American publisher
Which suggests he has been ducking things over on purpose knowing he won't be here when the HH series ends

>>50490226

If I hadn't blown over $400 on Christmas presents for my family and friends, I was going to get myself a Caladius Grav-Tank.

>>50488876
His words are psychically placed into people's heads so it's probable they interpret them how they want to
The best example is the Land conversation where he shows no emotion which doesn't compare with how he talks to the custodians
The attitude reflects how the custodians don't like the Primarchs and see them as a project
Think about it they have been with the emperor from before the Primarch project started
That last conversation with Dico he says Horus
Oh and btw - what he tells Ra suggests somehow he will get Ra to return from within drach at the end time

>>50490226
>What's on the Christmas wish lists anons?

Nothing, got BoP for my birthday and Im still deciding if I want a Leviathan or 2 Eddienoughs with lascannons or wait to see if FW releases Furibundus dreads in January, I have high hopes they'll be in Inferno.

>>50490226
I have fifty bucks credit at my FLGS. Probably going to buy some ogryn with it.

>>50489377

Up-armored Mark II.

>>50489865
Or even better yet

>13th black crusade reaches terra
>Lords of Chaos breach the throneroom, only to find out the dude on the throne is actually the last guy killed by Horus
>Golden throne only broadcasts astronomican
>Sacrificed psykers did nothing
>Emperor has been on holiday for the last 10.000 years and walks in on them in summer shorts, no shirt, sunglasses, drink in hand
>Lowers sunglasses and goes "Oh, excuse me, I think I interrupted some delacate moment"
>Turns around and walks back out
>everybody else keeps standing frozen on the spot failing to comprehend what just happend

>>50487234
>Fulgrim
>Second most popular Primarch
Wtf

>>50490337
>so it's probable they interpret them how they want to
Its funny how people are saying this but dont realise it means exactly the same thing.

>I hate how manipulative and uncaring Emps is
>Its ok because he just manipulates everyone uncaringly
I ah... ok.

>>50490438
isn't that mk3

>>50490463
yeah

>>50490463
:^)

>>50490463

No.

>>50490441
>the last guy killed by Horus
So, still the Emperor? Unless you were talking about either Ollanius "I liked you better as a myth for the common man" Pious or Sanguinius.

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>>50490463
>>50490476
>>50490483
>>50490491
I'm screencapping this.

>>50490504
Well the Emperor got put on permanent life support remember ? Laurie hasn't retconned the final fight ending in the actual death of the Emperor

yet :^)

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>>50490527
i've been bamboozled

Someone should spam ADB with /hhg/ Phantom Pain copypastas.

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>>50490535
Quién es él? And what do you mean bamboozled? Is it like bedazzled?
>>50490530
>mfw
>>50490448
Well I'm sorry if my vote for Mortarion didn't mean much

>>50490602
>>50490569
Sudden feeling of deja vú here ...

>>50490457
It's more
>I hate how the Emperor no longer cares for his favorite puppy
>It's okay the Emperor is just tsundere

Though if the Emperor does only think of the Primarchs as nothing but tools to be used, we just got confirmation that Angron did nothing wrong.

>>50490602
>bamboozled
He means he's been cheated/tricked.

>>50490629

Played like a damn fiddle.

>>50490623
Except being a slave for everyone, he was a slave for Nuceria, a slave for the Emperor, a slave for Horus and now he has an eternity of slavery to Khorne. Angron has always been used by others, Angron is just a dog being given new masters to unleash him.

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>>50490623
>we just got confirmation that Angron did nothing wrong.
Or nothing right, considering the whole "he was going to get killed" thing. So close to dying free, though...
>>50490629
Oh I see. Well, we /HHG/ are like Fateweaver with one side saying lies, the other saying truths but with a third head laughing about it and posting dank memes, quoting the book and theorycrafting.
If anything, FW confirmed a bit ago a certain excerpt on MkIII. Modernized it, if you will.

>Did the captcha like 6 times
Fuck captcha.

Why would someone look at a legion like the Night Lords or World Eaters and think "hmm yes this is fine, I'll let my deranged sons continue running it like this."

>>50489377
Mark II a best.

>>50490721
Someone who only sees them as tools who are valueless beyond their short-term applications.

>>50490721
When you've got xenos like Orks, Hrud, and the Yu'Vath, you need a pretty intense response.

>>50490721
Well, there were some seriously fucked up xenos out there. And it would have been very hypocrytical to dissasemble the NL and WE when you're already keeping the closet furries

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>>50490721
>A
To combat monsters, monsters of your own may be useful
>B
He wasn't ok with it, and was indeed going to censure both when the Heresy happened.
Do you see how censure came first for the WB than for monsters like NL & WE? Because a tool that works, not matter how nasty it is, is better than a nice looking tool that doesn't work as fine as it should.
>>50490746
This

>>50490721
He was going to hug Curze when he met him, but Curze had a fit.

>>50490793
>He wasn't ok with it, and was indeed going to censure both when the Heresy happened.

He was going to censure Curze because he was getting more unstable and going AWOL, not because he murdered children, Curze may have been crazy but he wasnt murdering entire systems like Angron and having your reputation alone bringing systems into compliance out of fear is extremely useful. The Emperor didnt care that Curze enjoyed terrorizing civilians, he made the legion to do exactly that.

>>50490647
>a slave for Horus and now he has an eternity of slavery to Khorne.
The former is probable, but arguable since the position was quickly usurped by the latter. And the latter isn't his fault because Lorgar did it too him without consent.

Thanks, Lorgar. You're like King Midas, except you turn everything you touch into shit.

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>>50490793
>screening out for aggressive recruits
>Khârn asked his recruiter where they were going to get the skulls for million skulls challenge
>was embarrassed so throughly the embarrassment stayed with him way after that is still probably embarrassed about it in the modern 40k

>>50488659

I get the impression that if you're heavily emotionally invested to pre-HH book lore, you'll be a little irked.

I don't play the game, I pretty much just enjoy (most) of the HH books. I thought "Master of Mankind" was pretty good, and ADB is the best BL author (although I base that opinion on "Betrayer" and not this).

I can understand why some people wouldn't care for what this book implies. At the same time, if you like your 90s lore as it is and don't want it changed at all, why would you be reading any of these books?

>>50490721
He failed to censure the World Eaters because he recognized that Angron had literally spent his entire command screaming, "Do it, faggot!" at him.

And Twelve cannot be allowed to have anything he wants. No matter how much suffering this causes.

>>50490918
>He was going to censure Curze because he was getting more unstable and going AWOL, not because he murdered children
Yeah, never said otherwise. Not following orders is indeed worthy of censure, and I don't remember if the destruction of Nostromo was sanctioned, so there's that.
>The Emperor didnt care that Curze enjoyed terrorizing civilians
Well of course not. Who do you think was the one who unleashed the Eight originally.
>>50490955
>>Khârn asked his recruiter where they were going to get the skulls for million skulls challenge
>Gee private Kharn, I don't know! Maybe you'll spot a skull tree someday or something. OBVIOUSLY FROM YOUR ENEMIES, PRIVATE! NOW DROP DOWN AND GIVE ME 2000!
>>50491026
He was probably thinking "eh, he'll probably die this very century out of Nails-induced aneurisma, no use crying over spilled water. Or over failed man-weapons"

>>50491103
>Well of course not. Who do you think was the one who unleashed the Eight originally
He used the 8th to terrorize folks who were actually able to make the Emperor sick to his stomach.
>>Gee private Kharn, I don't know! Maybe you'll spot a skull tree someday or something. OBVIOUSLY FROM YOUR ENEMIES, PRIVATE! NOW DROP DOWN AND GIVE ME 2000!

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>>50491140
I forgot my image.

>>50491103
Well, if Lorgar's diagnosis was to be believed, Angron only had a few years left in him after Ullanor.

>>50487473
>>50487458
>>50487320
>>50487300
Samefag pls go.

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>>50491233
not him, but boom. Xana. I'm sad about the Calix being hard to justify, even with the S10 non-blast weapon.

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>>50491194
And a few years being "maybe a hundred" or "Angron would die during the Heresy"? I don't think Lorgar's the right guy to give medical advice.

>>50491295
What about the Emperor and Arkhan Land?
I mean why do you think the Emperor went "ah fuck it" with Angron? He knew it wouldn't last long.
Poor XIIth, fatherless for so long, doomed to lose him near (or a bit after) the end of the Crusade, and yet everything got fucked up in less than a single century.

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>>50491354
How come Angron just didn't murder his way out of captivity before he got nailed? Is Eldar killing that tiring? Or better question: why do Eldar suck at baby killing?

>>50490261
Have you read is goodbye post? He says that they already finished the HH. Everything up to Siege of Terra ha been written up. It just needs to be printed and released. He also said his editorial work streches to 2017 and that whoever takes his place just needs to hold the current course and do nothing else so he will be okay.

Get hype. The HH is ending in the coming year.

>>50491419
>How come Angron just didn't murder his way out of captivity before he got nailed? Is Eldar killing that tiring? Or better question: why do Eldar suck at baby killing?

really makes you think

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>>50491419
>How come Angron just didn't murder his way out of captivity before he got nailed?
He was like a few months old, physiologically just a child
> Is Eldar killing that tiring?
Give him the benefit of the doubt. You don't know how many Eldar were there. I'm not saying it was an entire 1500pts list of aspect warriors against Angron, but I'm not saying no either.
>why do Eldar suck at baby killing?
For the same reason they suck at prophecy.

Poor Angronius, he just got off a rough start with the whole murder attempt + kidnapping + nails + slavery thing. I mean, even utterly alone (Curze) or with wild animals (Lion and Russ) or mutants (Sanguinius) or literal jail (Corax) or even necromancers (Mortarion) or even being poor (Fulgrim) was better than what Angron got. Not to mention those who landed on decent worlds and had a normal family like Guilliman or Dorn.

Sucks to be you, Angron.

>>50490794
That image was not relevant to the conversation at hand but it's moderately amusing so it's been saved. Thank you.

>>50490899
Oh yeah, that was quite a good bit of fluff actually. And when Curze looked at Fulgrim and saw that his destiny was super hazy and inscrutable.

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>>50491450
>Get hype. The HH is ending in the coming year.
I doubt that.
>>50491468
Even more questions. Why did they stop trying to kill him after they failed killing him as a kid? Why did they not give him back to the Emperor instead of killing him? Sure Angron would still probably kill them if he didn't have Nails for brains, but at least then he wouldn't be a daemon with the questionable benefits that provides. I guess they didn't weigh their options.
>>50491512
>He was like a few months old, physiologically just a child
Primarchs grow fast, and he knew how to murder.
>Give him the benefit of the doubt. You don't know how many Eldar were there. I'm not saying it was an entire 1500pts list of aspect warriors against Angron, but I'm not saying no either.
The Eldar may have underestimated what one baby could do and sent maybe ten dudes who were okay with baby killing.
>For the same reason they suck at prophecy
Because they're smug space elves who try to tempt us with their women?

Why isn't no one talking about the new stuff from the new audiobook?

Pius pulls up a more potent version of anathme and says that his blade is not only meant to slash time and space but to kill a god. He is heading to Terra with it.

What does he intend to do with it?

>>50491591
To get smacked around by the Emperor for trying to bring up something that won't affect the plot.
>could be using that on Horus
>nah I think I'll go back to Terra
This is what I call slacking.

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>>50491567
>Primarchs grow fast, and he knew how to murder.
That's why I said months instead of years. Six months are still only 24 weeks. In my headcanon he looked like a literal child getting jumped on by aliens.
>Because they're smug space elves who try to tempt us with their women?
For your own good I'm going to assume you mean tempting us to use them as punching bags.
>>50491591
>What does he intend to do with it?
Calling it now, he'll slash his way into the Vengeful Spirit and wound Horus, thus creating the opening for the non-loving Emperor to kill "Sixteen"

>>50491269
it really does need to be either multiple shots, blast or just be straight up D

>>50491647
Give him a break. He is being hunted by Cabal time Warp assassins, the Alpha Legion, and Daemons who want to stop him. He was misdirected and got stuck in a DAoT VR city lost in time and space stuck at the edge of the Warp because a godzilla Iron Man took a giant bite out of reality.

>>50488409
He's also a Perpetual and knows other perpetuals and dark age creatures like him.

Its funny cause the Imperium is turning the Emperor's greatest power into actual torture and setting back their own salvation via the Emperor's revival abilities.

>>50491679
>blast
And let Flare shields reduce it to Str 8? Two single shots are fine, maybe Ordnance, maybe the D.
It simply costs too much and needs a retinue baaaaadly, unlike the other Thanatars, which do need retinues but less so, given their "I kill any kind of infantry" blast guns.

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>>50491651
>That's why I said months instead of years. Six months are still only 24 weeks. In my headcanon he looked like a literal child getting jumped on by aliens.
And they still failed to kill him.
>For your own good I'm going to assume you mean tempting us to use them as punching bags.
Of course. What else would I be meaning?
>>50491704
>mfw
That last part sounds too out there to be true, but I can believe it.

>>50491591

Do you have the Audio? Can you share it?

>>50491720
>flare shields
god damn, there were a fucking mistake

>>50491775
What was a bigger mistake?
Flare shields
Armoured Ceramite
Artillery in the game that is supposed to be about hordes of infantry
Armoured Ceramite Flare shielded AV14
Niggas with Eternal warrior

>>50491770
Yep.

In a few hours. Got some work to do first.

>>50491812

If I can repay you, I will.

>>50488618
Fortifications!

And then I'll use them as terrain at my LGS.

also, lets get at least 1 HQ and 2 Troop for Imperial Fists.

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We fight for Number Seven and its Legion.

Militia Grenadier.

Question for you guys:

What would be the best way to model the HH for both 30k and 40k use?

>just use 30k rules

I want to use them with the new Thousand Sons rules and will be painting them HH colors.

>>50492084
Not sure what you're asking but just use the 30k rules, I wouldnt object if someone used the plastic terminators to count as Tartaros 30k termies/sekhmet/whatever or if you kit bashed minis with bits from 30k stuff and plastic thousand sons marines.

Dont mix and match rules that shit is retarded, they are different game modes for a reason.

>>50492137

I had no intention of mixing rules. I just want to be able to use my HH models in a 40k list and a 30k list.

As in one game, they're CSM and maybe next game they're a Legion Marines.

I don't really plan on playing 30k, but in the off chance it does become available, I want to be ready.

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>>50490794
I wholeheartedly agree with this statement.

>>50492029
Forgeworld skittle bits on a cultist body? Not bad.

I'm using scions for my smurf militia. Hotshots make decent laslocks, considering what their old rules were .

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>>50491651
>Shota Angron surrounded by space elves
I've read enough of my Japanese porn comics to know where this is going!

>>50491803
allowing the same vehicles that take ceramite to have flare shields
artillery is also a mistake(sort of), as it could represent the enemy getting a surprise attack upon your backfield/fire support units, but its absolutely too powerful and pushes things away from the fun marine blobs to deathstars and rhino tacticals, except for WE who's tactical blobs are actually useful

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>>50492320
Chris Orksen comes and arrests the panzies wif his Boyz!

>>50492278
Indeed the skittle bits look great on the cultist bodies.

Only thing I'm sad is no special weapons cos Land Raiders can only transport 10 models :(

>>50492504
can provenances give you infiltrate or some kind of alternate deployment?

I've never thought about them much because the RoW locks mine in, but there's gotta be something to help them move up the field faster.

>>50492574
I don't think any Provenances grant infiltrate or scout.

But I am planning on an army of Grenadiers in Land Raider Proteus with triple Twin Lascannons.

>>50492617
Hm, so they can't.

It is pretty ass that grenadiers can only take special weapons as extra bodies, rather than upgrades. I wonder why they decided to do it like that.

>>50491803
Artillery.

Flare shields and armored ceramite could always be countered. Artillery can only be countered with more artillery.

>>50492681
Artillery is countered by Podding Levi :)

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Would you play Age of Heresy?

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>>50488741
>>50488766
Let's be clear what about what the old fluff was. Here's an excerpt from The Lost and the Damned:
>Horus's fall came as a great shock to the Emperor. For a vital month the Emperor hesitated, stunned by the extent of Horus's treachery, unable to believe that his friend and general was really gathering forces against him.
>friend and general

I haven't finished reading the novel yet, but it does look like things have changed.

>>50484227
>The amount of bullshit they've pulled with Calth and Ultramar in general is arguably even more of a mess than what they've done with Nikaea/Prospero.
The 1989 rulebook for Space Marine (1st ed. Epic) has stories and illustrations of Word Bearer attacks on Ultramarines. "Calth" isn't mentioned, but it was basically already in the old fluff.

Imperium Secundus is new, but I'm okay with it. It makes good boy Guilliman a little bit treasonous - he's more interesting that way.

>>50492827
>A model may carry a vexilla
Fixed.

You're also going to need to include the special weapons sergeants can take as well.

>>50492862
I think I'd cut it down to Power Weapons and Heavy Weapons to avoid bloat. Power Weapons are Chainswords at -4 Rend, Heavy are 2+ Mortal Wounds but models killed by them may attack before they removed from play.

>>50492827
>>50492862
But yeah, I'd play it. It'd need to be slightly more complex than AoS, but as it is, AoS is a legitimately good game that normies/Ork players can love due to how rules lite it is compared to 40k it is.

>>50492911
Maybe. A few of the AoS warscrolls list more than a few weapons that units can take, which is nice.

So Fists and maybe Axes would count as Heavy Weapons?

>>50492662
Yeah its really lame. You could ride around in Arvus flyers with two special weapons tho.

Holy shit MoM was bad.

Seriously, the Dornian Heresy had better plot.

>>50492957
Pretty much yeah.

Shits on so much established lore.

>>50492936
Fists, Axes and Hammers probably?

>>50492861
>"Calth" isn't mentioned, but it was basically already in the old fluff.
You're right in that the word bearers attacking the ultramarines is old as dirt, but the proceedings were quite different.

The battle of calth was added in third edition. With the new series they swapped it from being the end of the word bearer's campaign to the opening act. I can kind of understand why they did that, novel-wise, for the sake of the suspense caused by an obvious (to the reader) betrayal and the dramatic setpieces of the suns getting nuked, but messing with the timeline like that raises more questions than it does answers, and basically had the authors desperately trying to find shit to fill the time that was previously occupied by a lengthy campaign of all out war by the red team to distract/occupy the blue team while everyone else bumrushed the heart of the empire.

Like, man, the ruinstorm? The pharos? Lionel, Sanguinius, Vulkan, Konrad, Lorgar and Angron all showing up in Ultramar while the war's going on galaxy-wide? None of that needed to happen, and the whole plot of the Heresy suffers greatly for it.

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>>50492861
I really hate how they're making the emperor less relatable with each passing book.

It's they took a legitimately interesting retelling of Paradise Lost, made every character an OC donutsteel, autistic caricature and decided to switch the actually amazing old fluff with anime tier shitty storytelling.

BL 'writers' are for the most part hacks, and they're single handedly taking a massive shit on this awesome setting.

>pic made me kek like a retard.

>>50492827
I kinda like it, looks straightforward and fast, bit shouldn't marines hit with their Bolter on 3+?

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>>50492827
Nice.
Post moar.

>>50492827
The only problem with this is that there are too many different weapon options in 40k.

Which is hilariously bad for an AoS style game, as it uses Keywords and set weapons and stats, rather than what we have now.

Other than that, good job! Post more of them.

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>>50493142
Here's another one. Check out that Land Speeder.

>>50492827
If you're going full AoS tomfoolery, "Rapid Fire" would probably be re-rolling hits that roll a 1, rather than extra shots.

Extra shots would be if you brought a unit over ten models.

>>50493114
>Like, man, the ruinstorm? The pharos? Lionel, Sanguinius, Vulkan, Konrad, Lorgar and Angron all showing up in Ultramar while the war's going on galaxy-wide? None of that needed to happen, and the whole plot of the Heresy suffers greatly for it.
I'm fine with the Ruinstorm (there had to be an excuse for those legions to not make it in time), but I agree with the rest of what you say. My guess is demand for primarch-on-primarch fights was high.

But there have been some good books in the series. It's been fun.

>>50489102
"I wanna."

>>50489258
No, see, if the Emperor never loved his sons, that's dark. And dark and serious stories are better than ones with tiresome human beings as characters.

>>50493290

>Grimdark is automatically better than literally anything else

But thats wrong you fucking retard

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>>50493142
>Parrot parroting other people's opinions

Staaahp. There isn't enough crackers in the world.

Anyways, as promised.

"Perpetual" by Dan Abnett

http://www.mediafire.com/file/dh8xcf9ms2rmmau/Too_old_for_this_shit.mp3

>>50493257
>there had to be an excuse for those legions to not make it in time
they made an excuse for something that didn't need excusing

The salamanders, iron hands and raven guard were completely shattered, trying to rebuild themselves.
The imperial fists, blood angels and white scars made it to earth in time.
The ultramarines were busy fighting the only legion big enough to actually keep them tied down.
And the wolves and dark angels were at the edges of the galaxy and only barely made it back in time to force Horus' hand.

Like, the ruinstorm is completely unnecessary unless you're trying to pad shit out. Especially when you can just go "warp travel and communication is being an ass because chaos" without the need for some contrived plot bullshit explaining it. That's literally the explanation they went with in Collected Visions, too.

The novel series has so many nonsensical changes that I'm not sure it's possible to pinpoint how many stupid plot holes they've opened up for the sake of including more primarch drama.

>>50493142
>I really hate how they're making the emperor less relatable with each passing book.
There is an upside - it makes Horus's fears of being discarded very, very real. The traitor primarchs have benefited greatly from the BL series.

>>50491103
>>50491140
>>50492029

Referring to the Primarchs by their numbers triggers me so fucking hard.

>>50493307

>Not understanding sarcasm

I'm sorry, did you need a Reddit-Brand /s?

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>>50487491
Scoria for the Scoria god, convert a crazy magos up and go nuts lads. Watch the tears flow as he mows down everything

>>50488952
Britbong here, no we don't.

>>50493523
fake britbong detected

I bet you eat hamburgers and freedom fries

>>50493318

Anon, I will find some way of making this up to you.

>>50493371
Everyone knows Number Sixteen did nothing wrong. It was tricked by the Ruinous Powers.

>>50493371
XV did nothing wrong!

>>50493371
>>50493699
Lol. After reading that book and how many times it mentions Magnus's Folly I wish it was called Fifteenth's Folly now.

>>50487397
Death guard already have this as a rite of war and can choose any support squad.

>>50493371
VIIth Loved his father most dearly!

>>50493371
After all this time we finally know the missing Primarchs names! II and XI. Amazing.

>>50487764

That helmet is pretty stupid. If someone hits you in the nose your eyes water like fuck.

>>50494419
Or, you know, just get stabbed in the eyes throught those giant slits.

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>>50493371
>Be Lion
>Father always calls me #1
Winning.

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This is it for this week? Fuck.

>>50494503
forge world why, you could have given us such nice gubbins
LIKE FUCKING INFERNO

>>50488534
English is a pretty illoyical language.

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>>50494503
>And the release of the week is....
>A collection of books overflowing with outdated and inaccurate rules!

>>50493326
>Like, the ruinstorm is completely unnecessary unless you're trying to pad shit out.

The ruinstorm is fine. Half the Primarchs travelling to Ultramar and half of *them* on to Terra while it rages isn't.

>>50494503
5 4 3 2 1 6
Fucked up the order of the books as well

>>50489476
for example

>>50494562
Unrelated but that pic reminds me that I still call bullshit on Alpharius actually dying in the Praetorian of Dorn novel. I mean it just leaves too many loose ends and subplots they introduced having no conclusion if he actually died. Not that the series have had the best writing to begin with, but even so that would be pushing it in my mind.

I would assume the BL author's claims that he is actually dead might be them lying to setup a future surprise or some shit, but I can't recall them every blatantly lying about something for that reason (feel free to correct me if there was a case of that). Either that or they saw the Alpha Legion plot as getting too complex, decided they needed to quit while they were ahead and killed Alpharius off so that they only had to deal with one Primarch for the Alpha Legion. Making it easier to keep things consistent for their authors and add to the Primarch body count since the only one before that was Ferrus.

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>>50495391
Do you know how fucking sad it is to be killed by dorn? The loser who was killed by mooks on a chaos flagship. The chump who curze violated.

It's even more fucking sad they killed alpharius over omegon who is shit anyways.

>>50492957
The more I read MoM the harder it gets to continue. Some real inconsistencies Emperor saying "I'll make humanity not-psychic" and "I'll lead humanity as a race towards psychic mastery" on the same page and the number of 'waifus' keeps growing.

Letting ADB write about Sisters of Silence was a mistake.

>>50496281
Black Library was a mistake.

>>50496281
>Letting ADB write about Sisters of Silence was a mistake.
I thought he was the waifu author? Or was that Graham McNeil...

/HHG/, I bet you can't come up with a writer you agree you can tolerate, let alone one who is good.

>>50495710
And how Alpharius got himself killed was a joke as well.

>be smallest of primarchs
>organise a 1v1 against on of the tougher ones to show him who's boss

Also how the AL got suprised by the IF fleet that they couldn't find was really stupid. Like if the Phalanx with a big fleet around it led by Dorn himself no less goes missing _inside_ the Sol system, why assume they're just going to the fake battle you set up and you failed to notice ?

>>50496349

No that's Damn abnett, the original Blankfu writer.

Fucker even managed to make a literal admech waifu in Know No fear

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>>50496387
>Fucker even managed to make a literal admech waifu
And this is a crime becaauuuse?

>>50496351
It's almost like hubris and overconfidence is their thing or something.

>>50496349
Graham McNeil made that one Mechanicum waifu chick. It was pretty bad desu.

Chris Wraight is pretty good. Hell, Graham McNeil is decent.

>>50496281
Are you an idiot from the other day? Fucker, it was already explained to you. I mean FUCK. It's in the conversation. You even lied to. The Emperor said that humanity is evolving into a psychic. It's not his doing, it's nature doing its thing.

The Emperor cannot stop the psychic evolution of Mankind. It's happening all over the galaxy but he can lower their reliance on the Warp and isolate them from the Warp via the Webway. His ultimate goal is to cut off humanity's psychic connection to the Warp forever.

>>50496416
>His ultimate goal is to cut off humanity's psychic connection to the Warp forever.
It'll be a difficult task but those Eldar heathens achieved something similar, so it's not impossible. Or was not impossible, before Horus.

>>50496416
Let me break it down for the retards in this thread this is how the conversation went. i'll try to use small words for you

>Emperor : Humanity is evolving into a psychic race more powerful than the Eldar. I will do my part to guide them through it and I will use the Webway as my tool.
>Custard : Golly mister Emperor. Webway....Psychic race. That sounds just like the Eldar and those guy fell to the power of the Warp.
>Emperor : True, the Eldar did use the Webway the same way I intend to do. They didn't rely on the Warp in their empire. However, they did not cut off their connection to the Warp. This link to the Warp is what fed the powers that destroyed them. After humanity evolves into a psychic race, I will cut off their connection to the Warp.

>>50496403
>Graham McNeil made that one Mechanicum waifu chick. It was pretty bad desu.

You take that back. She is like one of the Top 5 HH waifus.

>>50496525
Is there some list? I would like to read it.

>>50496474
>When Warp sends its denizes they're not sending their best. It's sending daemons that 'ave lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing mutation, they're bringing sorcery, they're possessed, and some I assume are some tutelaries/familiars.
But how will He cut mankind's connection to the warp? Reduction of exposure isn't enough, more psykers are born each day even in normal planets unaffected by the warp.

>>50496525
Nah, her apprentice was much better. Koriel Zeth was pretty fucking dumb.

>>50496397

Crime? If that's illegal I want to share a cell with him

>>50496552
The Webway project, thanks to Magnus, exploded. So we will never know for sure. Maybe he wanted to move swathes of mankind inside the Warp. Start culling the most gifted psykers. Mass breed pariahs. Like I said, it no longer matters because without the Webway his plan is permanently halted.

The evolution of mankind continues apace. Assuming that the Emperor guides humanity safely through and it doesn't explode into daemons, assuming that no Chaos tainted warlord destroys him and humanity on the way, then they might evolve into a race of power psychics. This will result in a golden age of wonderment but it won't last. Like the Eldar before them, the Chaos powers will feed on the psychic energy and emotions of the human empire until BOOOM. This why the Emperor at the end of the book was depressed and doomsaying. Humanity is fodder for Chaos forever. There is no escape.

>>50496947
Early bread for a dead thread

>>50496351
This is the first account I have read of dorn being tough and not an unremarkable faggot.

Its pretty shit cause I've not being paying attention to this stuff lately. Only realised he dies today.

But AL have gone from

2nd ed sneaky and obsessed with trying to prove themselves (Cool)

IA Deceptive little shits, no one knows anything about them except they are liars, Robute probably killed him or did he? (Cool)

BL Legion AL are retarded xenos lovers, also their twins (Shit)

FW HH Really nice write up essentially an improved IA article, with more and cool details. (Cool)

BL PoD Alpharius is ded, he died no one cares. Left with the stupid twin from Legion who every faggot thinks is some grey knight or some loyalist shit. (Fucking awful)

Black library can suck it. If your gonna kill my homeboy make it better than this. Gulliman killing him was better.

>>50491803
Quad mortars not being 0-1.

Flare Shields are good but pretty easily countered.

Armored Ceramite is only good because it's possible to spam melta. There's plenty of S10 shooting and armourbane melee.

At least artillery is 0-1. So they have to target the same thing. It's unfortunate if you have blobs. Medusas have limited range, but basilisks are pretty spooky. It's too late to remove them. Just going to have to adapt. Flyers, holding blobs in reserve, things like that.

>>50492681
>Artillery can only be countered with more artillery.
Or
>Deep striking
>Flyers
>Simply not giving a shit if your dudes die
>Outflanking melta
>Bikes with melta
>Anything with melta
>Taking vehicles

>>50491803
Angron having a 3+.