Warhammer 40k General:

>>50465708
First for Lorgar Aurelian.

Magnus did nothing wrong

First for Scarab Occult Terminators are miles more useful than shitty CSM termies who can only termicide-kill-MAYBE-a-single-tank for 110 points a pop.

Gonna build up one of each thousand sons unit (besides Mangoes) plus convert up a rhino and a dread, but doubt I'll actually field them.

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>>50465743

Ahriman, 2x Rubrics, 1x Socrs, 1x Termies are on my purchase list.

Should I grab 1 or 2 boxes of Tzaangors?

>>50465790
Wait till you see how big their squad size is. If 20, get 2 for a nice blue blob.

>>50465790
2 boxes.

>>50465743
Since when have Termicide units just disappeared the moment they fire their combi-plasmas? Most armies can't afford to let a trio of ObSec terminators rampage through their backlines, and every shot on the Termicide is a shot that isn't killing something else.

Termicide units aren't great, but they at least can be tailored to fill a niche. Scarab Occult bring nothing together table that Thousand Sons needed.

>>50465790
Drop down to 1x Rubrics, grab 3xTzaangors for a Warherd.

Rubricae are still straight tax-tier, even in their detachment. One box of them is already giving you twice as many as you will ever want to run.

can mr mango the red be taken in csd or just ts?

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So any word on Traitor legions? I need leaks

muh Iron warrior chapter tactics
muh legion
muh heavy supports

>>50465852
Just CSM.

>>50465857
Well GW's sent out a bunch of review copies, so if you're lucky, someone will reveal shit. If not, GW might reveal stuff tommorow or friday.

The ban on talking about the review copies goes away friday night/saturday.

>>50465857
Late Friday FrontlineGaming is going to tell us what's going on. Expect disappointment. Every advance word has taken care to praise how thematic they are.

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>Release awesome new Bloodthirster
>Release Mongus the Bread instead of a new greater daemon of Tzeentch

Y though?

>>50465916
>release new Thousand Sons kit
>they're still dogshit
y tho

>>50465821
Would Scarab Occult Terminators be good if they could switch their AP 3 Combi-bolters for Volkite Chargers for free?

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>>50465916
money

i want a new slaanesh superheavy honestly. a better version of this or a giant chariot that does 6d6 s6 ap- rending hammer of wrath attacks

>>50465852
>>50465860

Magnus has a formation detachment where you can just spam him and daemon princes, and get Librarius style bonuses for doing it.

Taxless tzeentchien flying circus, anyone?

>>50465938
Good? No. They'd be a little more worth it. They need their Sorcerer to not be a bitch (same issue with baseline rubricae) and they need to not be stuck with shitty power swords.

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>>50465857
>ftw you know it's not going to allow real heavy weapons
>no basilisks, artillery, special havocs, just dinobots
>atleast we'll get bonuses with hellturkies i hope

>>50465940
I never realized how much I wanted a superheavy chariot pulled by 20+ daemons until this moment.

>>50465929
Give the Sorcerer another wound and mastery level like the Terminator Sorcerer, and let all the Sorcerers that are part of units buy Spell Familiars, then get rid of the Mandatory Tzeentch discipline roll.

There I fixed the Thousand Sons (somewhat).

>>50465708
Hi fa/tg/uys, how can I get into an orks army?

>>50465940
FW confirmed they were doing them for Titanicus, and that they'd be looking into porting the more popular designs from there into 28mm.

>>50465960
>play30k.jpg

Seriously. As a fellow Iron Warrior fag, look up Ironfire Rite of War. Literally everything you want. Also, havocs are BS5 with -1 to enemy cover saves.

>>50465953
So if they could take other Powe Weapons and uppgrade to Powe Fists and Lightning Claws, and If the Sorcerer could take a spell familiar and didn't have to waste a power on Tzeentch they'd be good?

>>50465977
Lower expectations.
Find casual AF group.
Build what you want, but with more bikers.
Don't buy the starting! box.

>>50465929
>Release awesome new Bloodthirster
>3/4 variations (Skarbrand counts) are crap

Don't worry, GW always gives their new kits OP rules to help sales.

>>50465708
>Leviathan Owners Club Edition
Are there really that many people here with levithans?

>>50465708

What's the cheapest way of getting a legit Leviathan model? I want to join the club.

Right now it's only like 90 USD on forge world because of the current exchange rate, right?

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>>50465995
>Find casual AF group

>>50465977
Get 15-20 bikes plus various biker bosses and painboyz, converted mekguns and buggies, some trukks, tankbustas and possibly battlewagons and MANZ.
Alternatively, start collecting a dreadmob or boyz-heavy army that you'll automatically lose with every time.

>>50465845
>>50465807
>>50465805
I guess 1x Rubrics and 2x Tzaangors sounds like a plan.

>>50465790
I'm getting two, but I plan on never winning. So, don't take any advice from me.

>>50465990
i play 30k IW
and i swap them between 40k and 30k
problem is i'm one of the few 30k players in my area even with the new boxes.
even went through the trouble of making a ten man tyrant squad that i never get to use.

I wish i could 10man tyrant + mark of tzeench

>>50465997
>3/4 variations (Skarbrand counts) are crap
2/4 more like, Give the standard BT a skullreaver and he's an amazing generalist.

>>50465821
Baseline termies can't threaten anything.
>Combi-weapon
One shot at BS4 then it's back to regular (not even TL!) bolter
>melee weapons
On a slow as fuck unit

The niche filled by them could be filled more efficiently by other, better, more versatile units that can do their job and more.

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>>50465743
>>50465821
>>50465916
>>50465929
hol up

i've been out of the loop for a bit but you're telling me the ksons update is out and it's confirmed dogshit? ppppppfffffffffffffffHAHAHAHAHAHA

the laughter hides my pain tzeentch just take me now i don't want to live on terra anymore

>>50466022
I already own 3 and plan on getting a fourth, guess I really don't intend to win.

>>50465805
10 basic, up to 30. 7ppm, starting at 70.

>>50466044
On the plus side, KSons did beat the shit out of the Wolves and killed most of Fenris, so I think it evens out.

>>50466044
Just the iconic units, Do you like Horrors?

>>50465929
They really aren't that bad. I, and many others, were expecting so much worse.

>>50466044
Thousand Sons are still dogshit, meanwhile Pink Horrors became tier one bullshit.

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>>50465978
god bless forgeworld

>>50465965
chariots are fun

>>50466044
Well most of the new units are mediocre to decent, rhe problem is they did literally nothing to change the basic Rubrics or address how shit MoT psykers are.

>>50466003

Well, I've not painted mine yet, but I have one yes.

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>>50465899
>Expect disappointment
I will never forget the years of disappointment.
I shall never hype again.

>>50466044

We've talked about this in previous threads, they are pretty strong at spamming psykers and getting good saving throws.

But the rubrics are still overcosted.

>>50465978

They doing nonhuman Titans at all?

>>50466004
>Right now it's only like 90 USD on forge world because of the current exchange rate, right?
Yep. It's definitely worth the money, for a myriad of reasons

>>50466054
noice

>>50466057
no, I don't have any daemons. I do have around 20 rubric models I picked up in a lot, I was looking to incorporate them into my existing tzeentch warband which is currently generic CSM, rhinos, some battle tanks, terminators, and helbrutes. I was hoping this update would buff them so I could add these models to my force and not lose every game but not today haha . . . ha . . .

>>50466087

Claw + Drill, or Claw + Cyclonic Melta?

>>50466018
are grot tanks still usable instead of buggie?

>>50466066
>>50466044
The thing is that they didn't address what made the Rubric unit shit in the first place, but they did make it a little bit better in a way. Problem is you have to utilize formations and artefacts to make them work and pay extra points for that privilege.

Rubrics with flamers moving 12" per turn with the book artefact is quite lovely. Make a big blob of them, mix some weapons in there and keep Force up at all times to give them a 3++ makes them fucking immortal.

>>50465944
yes and it's well over 1000 points, and that's minimum

>tfw still no psyker focused space marine chapter tactics

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>>50466073

CSM players never stop fucking complaining. They're like Ork players except with no sense of fun.

>>50466097
>>50466054
Yeah, but Magnus ends up getting beaten up and running away like a little bitch in a fight with Logan Grimnar.

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>>50466132
>pysker focused chapter tactics
>psyker
>chapter tactics

>>50465991
Do >>50465971. Let Scarab Occult take whatever melee weapons they want from the usual marine terminator stuff.

That makes both units viable.

Is it ever worth buying a codex?

I'm tempted to pick up WoM as I'm sure it will have some great artwork and a great read. But why does it cost so much.

I mean I still buy models with the money saved. GW isn't really missing out much.

>>50466137
No shit they're complaining, there's plenty to quite rightfully complain about.

>>50466073
>"Honey... I'm pregnant!"
>"Don't care. Our son will be a disappointment anyway"
>"Why can't you be happy for us?!"
>"YOU DON'T KNOW MY PAIN!"

>>50466132

Blood Ravens Chapter Tactics:
>Can take an additional Librarian as part of each detachment or formation
>Can use Relics/Artefacts from any space marine army, whether loyalist or Chaos

>>50466026
>I wish i could 10man tyrant + mark of tzeench
just park a atomantic pavaise dorito near them

>>50466149
>great read
you've got the damn thing here
>40k great read
Nah man, dfc is as close you can get to a good read if you like reading war reports

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Yeah, you can kill me but I have to ask - were there any attempts to make something like fan made (or not) "sigmarized" rules for 40k? Maybe some kind of format with simplified rules and statistics?

No, it's not a bait. I have tried to sunk into WH40K but everything in rules looks so messy and needlessly. The setting and models look amazing and I want to do something with them but compared to AoS it is 3overgrown5me

INB4 reeeee normie get out

>>50466143
Then comes back, kicks more ass and uses whatever the fuck "the power of Fenris" is to pull the Planet of the Sorcerors out of the Warp into realspace, pulls every fucking Daemon Primarch back into Realspace and generally wrecks up the Imperium bad with a single strike.

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>>50466156
This applies quite well here.

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>>50466156
why CSM so weak? i mean they supposed to be the main foe of the SM.....

>>50466169
>total +2 invul
would cost a fuck ton

>>50466179
Wait for 8th.

>>50466179
>fan made
no but geeewubs is planning on doing it
also i fail to see the problem with the current rules outside of formations, flier and allies. it seems about right

>>50466188
Hence why they're so weak

>>50466179
I'd suggest starting off with killteam if you want less clutter.

>>50466132
Blud Angles, Grey Nights, 1K+1 Sons

Take your pick.

>>50466214
>HERALDS OF RUIN killteam
FTFY

>>50466106
20-man rubric blob. 2 Soulreaper Cannons, 10 flamers, attached Sorc with Third Eye helm, granting overwatch.

Second Sorc on disc, 5 spawn retinue with book artefact. Both squads move 12" per turn. Force maintained at all times for 3++

I'm honestly doubtful anything but the Mighty D can take that out in any decent length of time.

>>50466225
Shit my bad, nice save.

>>50466122

So?

Some people will love taking a flying monstrous creature Psyker only army. Burn things to death from the sky, land in the later turns when no resistance is presented. Grab objectives, wreck remaining face.

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>>50466210
BUT BUT this not make any fucking sense

Perturabo mini when?

>>50466249
Easy win for the wankmarines.

>>50466217
>1K+1 Sons

What is this new meme?

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How am I looking for 1k?

>>50466251
Like 2018, if you're lucky.

>>50466264
Going 1pt over in 1k games.

>>50466236

It dies pretty easily to massed lasgun fire.

As was mentioned in the previous thread, you should consider termicide squads with 3 combi-flamers + 1 chainfist each, or an allied detachment with 3x rapier quad heavy bolters and a melta termicide, to compensate for the list's weaknesses.

>>50466280
How did that even become a thing? It seems so inane.

>>50466271

Have any cheap 11 point upgrades to top off your list?

>>50466298
People screaming CHEAT at someone who's a couple points over when they post a list, so people started baiting those guys.

>>50466271
Well having your main AT be on squishy skittles is a bit of a risk, people talk big shit about grav for anti-tank, but it relies on 6s to do anything at all.

But unless you're facing Leman Russ 2:The Cannoning, you should be fine.

>>50466274
I want in NOW!

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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/11/30/rumour-engine-november-30/

Who's hype for some Admech?

>>50466271
Cognis Flamers aren't worth the cost IMO, Destroyers should be operating far back enough that they won't get charged. And if you're lucky enough to get a wound with your Phosphor Blaster pot-shots, your Grav shots become that much deadlier.

Also, swap the Infiltrator weapons for Taser Goats and Flechette Blasters. They do more damage via sheer number of hits than the base weapons do, and it's a free upgrade.

>>50466295
But any lasgun in range is going to get stomped flat. Fast movement, range, ignores cover and weight of shots.

>>50466308
I'm pretty sure the guy was an IG player who could have just taken a bolter away from a Sergeant.

I only allow points over the limit where my opponent would have to re-work his list to get close to the limit again.

>>50466251
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Perturabo-Primarch-of-the-Iron-Warriors

>>50466315
1. What about that says Ad Mech?

2. It was posted on Facebook under Age of Sigmar.

>>50466315
Interesting. Alternate Dominus sculpt, maybe?

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Hey all, I just traded some models I never used for a Void Sheild Generator

I've heard it's super good and I see a lot of tourney builds with it, it doesn't seem like something to use in a casual game

I plan on taking it instead of an aegis for my parking lot guard army in an upcoming tourney, anyone have any input on how well it does or how to use it?

>if anything the model is huge and cool as hell

>>50466315
Those fingers look far too fleshy to me anon, this better not be some fucking Heretek.

And what kind of model has a fuckhuge arm holding keys?

>>50466315
AoS Elves
Screencap this

>>50466333

Maybe, since you're using the 12" move artifact.

In general though, Thousand Sons seem geared to shrug off high powered blasts but are weak to massed fire for their points cost.

>>50466236
>>50466106
It's 20 space marines, dudes. They have an invulnerable save, but most units don't give a fuck and will just make you roll armor saves until you die.

The disk+spawn unit is a cute one, though. largely because both spawn and sorcerers are decent units.

>>50466348
> 1. What about that says Ad Mech?

Compare some of the mechanical arms from the cult mech release: It's functionally identical.

>>50466315

It's AoS steamhead duardin, dude.

>>50466249
GW are a textbook case of why you don't put fans in charge of an IP. Marines are the most popular army so a large chunk of GW employees are marine fanboys. They'll never let their armyfu's main enemy be good or having anything cool without giving marines a direct equivalent (other than things like daemons where that would be impossible)

>>50466149
I only buy the codex so that I have the rulebook right there and never have to deal with That Guys stirring shit about YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE THE RULES FOR YOUR CODEX BRO COME ON, even though I have the pirated pdf on my phone. Also some GW stores require you to have one, if the horror stories from the internet about those places are true. It really just depends on the store and who you're playing, if you're new to the game and your local group is mostly non-faggots then nobody should take issue with you not having a codex.

>>50466344
I mean Daemon Prince.

>>50466381
Example? Not really seeing it.

>>50466358
It works REALLY well.....for the first turn, then it gets less and less effective.

Remember that the shields are AV12, and a glance or pen will pop one shield, so it only takes 3 good shots to remove any protection your models have.

And those shields only come back on a 4+.

It works best if your opponent doesn't bring many AT guns, but you're running parking lot guard, so they are, you're better off with your ADL and camo netting.

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>>50466348
>>50466362
>>50466365
>>50466387

Literally click the image >>50466315 had in his post, the picture has been made more clear and it's obviously mechanical and in exaclty the same style as the 2015 admech release.

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>>50466387
that is a maqos arm it's too spindely and bare bones to be dorfs and looks just like my HG's arm for his macrostubber

>>50466390
GW is too big of a business to let this kind of retarded shit rule their company. This speculation seems a bit of a reach whenever it comes up, the Occam's Razor of it is that GW is probably just practicing the time-honored tradition of ignoring your customers like every other company, because people do not actually know what the fuck they want. They just know how to bitch. So GW does what they do, they keep making money, and the world keeps turning. And CSM players keep suffering.

>>50466403

The arm which holds the pistol on the Dominus.

One of the tiny loading arms on the side of the guns on Kataphrons.

Some of the limbs in the Ruststalker/infiltrator kit.

Stubby little t-Rex arms on the gimp walker.

>>50466348
Well the cog key is a bit suspect, but if it was posted under Shitmar then I wont get my hopes up for more actual tech priests.

>>50466393
I only own 3rd Crons and have them all on my Tablet and phone when I go into store. I've not had many complaints myself although do find having the physical book in hand is much easier to navigate to the rules I need.

Not heard of needing it, my store is pretty chill for allowing you to use the store copy. I mean I printed off the whole of 3.5 Chaos back in the day for using it. I might consider doing the same for the TSons rules.

>>50466315
I know what it is.

Dark Mechanicum.

>>50466420

Not to mention that middle key is more or less exactly the same as the typical AdMech power axe.

>>50466390

Not all marine chapters are GW's armyfu though.

>play Black Templars or Executioners
>be proud heroic melee focused Imperial Fists successor of either paladin or barbarian variety
>get no love from either GW or Forge World
>no decurion
>no relics
>poor chapter tactics
>have to share forge world transfer sheet with imperial fists, only get 1/4 of the transfers per sheet that most other chapters do

>>50466377
With exalted Sorcs they're even better. Might even be able to stand up in CC and not just be a zippy sorc laying magical skullfucks at ranged.

>>50466371
You're right, I'm just thinking 20 dudes with attached exalted sorc could possibly reasonably buff the squad enough or just has enough wounds to weather it. They give off enough heat to slaughter most any infantry that comes in range. Maybe not in 1 turn, but can surely cause enough damage to turn a threat into a non-issue.

Also what does everyone think about the Lord of the Silver Tower ability Exalted Sorcs have? Seems fucking nice, especially since each gets one and the supplement seems geared towards you fielding a good few of them. Small blast is mediocre but Lance is fucking sexy.

>>50466451
>Super popular Admech line with everyone begging for more stuff

>GW releases a tiny Dark Mech supplement instead

>It's shit

I can see it happening.

>>50466468
Black Templars got some FW loving.

Sigismund is pretty good.

>>50466315
I want that arm, then put it on a techpriest leaning against a flashy Rhino, jingling the keys at a SoS in a "hey, baby, wanna take a ride?" way.

>>50466085
We're pretty much guaranteed to see Orks and Eldar at least, once they start cranking it out.

>>50466100
Eh, they are great alternatives to Kans, but they can't outflank like buggies and they are way more expensive. Bring both.

>>50466492
>techpriest

>even knowing what lust is outside of it's factual description

>>50466490
And likewise, CSM have gotten some cool stuff from FW before. But regular GW? You can't deny both me and him are right.

>>50466487
Yeah, I can too.
I'd really want Darkmech to ally well with Chaos, and have lots of warpy guns, and maybe a build-your-own Daemon Engine?
Make it like the Looted Wagon, but better and with DarkMech stuff rather than Orky.

>>50466492
>Letting fleshy fucks in your ride

ABSOLUTELY HERETEKAL.psalm

>>50466506
Oh no, not denying that. Black Templars got fucked over hard. Between losing their codex and Retcon Library making them codex compliant, it hurts to see how far a chapter can fall.

>>50466492
>>50466515

Techpriests doing burnouts in rhinos, blasting binary chanting.

>>50466315
>slender Mechanical arm with studs
>Gear/Chaos star on the key, but probably just the former
>Admech is among the top 4 selling factions
>>50466350 is probably right, It looks like Admech at the very least will have an upgrade sprue.

>>50466520
Burnouts are not the designated purpose of the STC print Rhino you fucking Heretek.

Besides, Tech Priests have far sweeter rides, they surf around on their Abeyants blasting fleshy cunts with their stolen Dark Eldar weapons.

>>50465719
Exactly, Noise marines already do everything fine. All they need are free sonic weapons and reduce cost on Blastmasters & Doomsirens.

I can't actually think what else Emperors Children would want.

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>>50466528
>>50466350
>>50466315
Could be a new proper techpriest? We've had our new Engineseer and essentually-Magos.
One more completes the set.

>>50466567
And dick about with sweet Tau railguns.

So I want to start collecting Space Wolves and a close combat army sounds good.

But are Blood Claws EVER useful? I'll go with the start collecting set and work from there.

>>50466406
They come back on a 5+ so if you rock three you should expect to get one back per turn

Massed fire doesn't hurt my tanks, and the shield doesn't stop deep striking and drop pods that regularly rek my army

The aegis is nice since I can stack up to a 2+ cover when it's night time, but the way my tourneyment runs it is you still have to have the 25% obscuring to get the save so only my vehicle right up against it get it or I need the high ground plus my LGS always has tons of cover to hide behind since that's how the maps ate built

The generator itself is sorediculously huge it probably is as big as two pieces of aegis and my artillery doesn't care about LOS

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>>50466607
Don't join the Wolves, join the winning side.

>>50466588
>That Techpriest model mock up
Oh, the thing I would convert from it.

>>50466604

The first half of this is almost exactly what the AdMech are doing at any given time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o_8b31GRnU

>>50466567
Well, the 30k Magi have sweet rides. At the moment we have to footslog like plebs.
Maybe we'll get ourselves a Chariot in IA14? I can only hope.

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>>50465916
>instead of a new greater daemon of Tzeentch
Well what could this possibly be?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/11/30/rumour-engine-november-30/

>>50466643
See
>>50466315

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>>50466588
I still love how one of the design cues is "more will rees"

>>50466574
Speedy shit like back in the day.

>>50466492
>>50466528
>>50466643

Definitely Admech.

Wonder what significance the keys have though. Maybe a carjacker Magos that has magical keys from the vault of Mars that unlock any vehicle he comes across. Walk him up to a enemy tank and poof, he takes it for a spin after programming the machine spirit to kill the former crew with nerve gas compounded from engine waste.

>>50466631
Sorry, I prefer the Viking/Saxon Aesthetic and not having everything look like Spikey shit.

I don't care about Winning, in fact, the Twilight of the Space Wolves makes me want to play them more.

>>50466604
Nah, that shit's gay. They actually had to limit the rate of fire on them to operate them safely. What a bunch of fucking retards.

Everyone knows that correct application of oils, unguents and binaric psalm within a holy War Convocation allows safe use of the holy machine spirits within the Omnissiahs holy plasma weaponry.

Tau are almost as bad as Hereteks, fucking Tech Heathens.

>>50466517

They don't follow codex organization, but GW apparently revised them in the novels to be one to two thousand instead of five to six thousand.

Which is still pretty stupid.

>>50466659
Yea, so far the only model that really has any of that is Draykavac with his horse-skull head.

>>50466716
BT were always mentioned to Flucate depending on how buttfucked the crusades get during fighting.

>>50466693
Not that guy, but not that many spikes on TSons models.

Enjoy your Wolves and no, not really, in reply to Blood Claws.

>>50466728
How do they supply the power armors for it? Aren't each like gorillion years old and irreplaceable?

>>50466693
>Wolf Wolves
>Vikings

>>50466694
In addition, these holy sacraments allow our plasma to operate at peak efficiency even when charged by the Omnissiah's Haemotrope Reactors. S6? Ours are LARGE BLASTS.

>>50466689
I kind of want daemonic viruses we can use instead of canticles to fuck with our opponents, like that one HH relic in the admech book.

Stuff like "all enemy Ordnance weapons fire at BS1" (not snapshots, BS1. Important difference) and stuff like that. Maybe not so specific, but you get the idea.

>>50466315
New Key-per of Secrets

>>50466757

They can be viking rather than furry, if you focus on blood claws, long fangs and rune priests, rather than on cavalry and wulfen.

>>50466746
No. Mark 8 Power Armor is a post Heresy design for example.

>>50466225
>>50466214
Is there any significant difference between them?
>>50466197
So something like 6 months of waiting? That's a lot of time to fill, maybe a good moment to try the X-wing too

>>50466784
>Is there any significant difference between them?
Heralds of ruin is much more diverse and has a lot more thought put into it
rather than just grabbing from the codex and being unable to take certain units there is less of a limit and more of a balance so to speak.
also heralds is free to pick up because it's all online.
over all heralds is much better thought out and well realised compared to the official one

>>50465743
>overcosted as fuck termies with AP3 bolters in an army of mandatory AP3 bolters and AP3 witchfires.

You'll probably take them in the formation and run around thinking you're hot shit with a 2+/3++ rerolling 1's, but then you'll realise you can only kill fucking MEQ because you spent all your additional points on more AP3 bolters instead of useful shit.

Also, they should've made one of the formation special rules for 1ksons AP3 soulblaze to actually make the Flaming Banner useful.

>>50466834
I'm not fielding that many dudes. The rest of my army will be Sorcs and daemon engines.

>>50466834
This

What the flying christ are you supposed to do with power sword terminators?

Power swords in general are completely worthless since all of your guns are ap3 anyway

>>50466834

Take an ectoplasma cannon or laser destroyer Rapier battery if you need to ignore armor saves that desperately.

>>50466881
it takes me back to the time when power weapons didn't need an ap.
and you could actually argue for a powerweapon over a powerfist sometimes, there was a reasonable trade off but the Pfist was all together a better choice.

>>50466106
That's a terrible idea. Flamers of Tzeentch aren't good, and they shit all over 30+PPM Flamer Rubrics.
>>50466037
The argument isn't whether their are more efficient units than Termicide, it's whether Termicide are better than Scarab Occult. 2x3 Termicide is more likely to do something useful than 1x5 Scarabs.

>>50465997
Skarbrand is okay, he just needs built around (Instruments to get him in turn 2, Icons to place him optimally). D-thrster and Skullthrster are both great.

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I'd probably jump on 1ksons if magnus wasn't oversized garbage.

He's by far my favourite primarch but he's meant to be a daemon prince, not a fucking kaigu knight-titan.

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>>50466769
>not wanting cyber keys

>>50466918
wasn't magnus the largest primarch by far?

>>50466504
>>50466515
The likes of Arkhan Land, for example, wasn't cybered up.

>>50466918
Magnus was the tallest of all the primarch, makes sense why he is huge but he is defo not titan sized

>>50466918
You know what 'Magnus' means in Latin, right?

>>50466918
>ser jobs-a-lot as your favorite primarch

>>50466918
BUT demon primarch have always been fuck heuge, it's why they show up in epic

>>50466930

Yes. He's a big guy.

>>50466271
> Cognis Flamers
> Phosphor Serpenta
> Arc Rifle in a Vanguard squad
Don't do these things. I assume it's a relic of the program that they're listed with stubcarbine and power sword?
You want the macrostubber for the Dominus because it costs less points and does better overwatch. At all times, he should be using the Erradication Ray or Volkite Blaster to ruin days.

You won't see that much mech stuff in 1000 points. The Plasma Culvern is just better, even if you have to drop out an Omnispex to get it. I don't think you will, after dropping off the cognis flamers for long-ranged weaponry - if your Destroyers are assaulted, flamers aren't going to change what happens to them.

If you happen to have the spare points for it, I'd try the Omniscient Mask on those Infiltrators, as a final way of rounding out the list.

>>50466918
Careful anon you've invited but he's the biggest primarch, and this one time he wrestled a titan! Arguments

I agree with you for what it's worth

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>>50466928
Are Sparks a manifestation of machine spirits?

>>50466891
rofl, it's not even about ignoring armour saves.

There are these things in this game called Vehichles and Monstrous creatures anon, and if you want to bring the formation that gives you rerolls of 1's on saves you'll be playing at a points level where you need a solid answer to those things.

S4 bolters wont cut it.

Also to take those things you need to take a CAD, so you'll either be piling on more compulsory troops & HQ's or ignoring formations in the first place, in which case 1ksons are just as bad as they've been for the past 3-4 years.

>>50466764
Yea curses would be sweet. Something like this;

>Rangefinder-Djinn malediction
Targeting is fucked up; -1 BS on enemy unit, and Ordnance fire on BS1

>Script of deceleration
Enemy vehicles halve their movement for all movement modes.

>Ironplague
All AP rolls against vehicle is rolled with one extra D6, discard the lowest result. Failed AP rolls against this vehicle must also be rerolled.

>Obligatory Gets Hot curse

>Fuel leak inferno
Any embarked units take X S3 hits, where x is the vehicle's remaining hitpoints., if no units are embarked, the vehicle suffers a glancing hit instead.

>Machine spirit rebellion
Caster gains control of targeted vehicle, and may make a 6" move and shoot, any embarked units immediately disembark.

Hey CSM players, is the Raptor Talon formation any good? And would it go against the fluff for any reason to have a Tzeentch-aligned one?

I've been thinking about starting a TSons army and that anon's idea above about having a combo of 2 fast units (ExSorc with Disc+Book+Spawn and ExSorc+Third Eye+Rubrics) sounds fun to me. I was thinking of what to add to it and I've always loved how Raptors (and to a slightly lesser extent Warp Claws) look. So I was thinking since you can take any CSM detachment as part of a TSons force I'd do something like this at 1850

>blah blah blah regular TSons detachment
+
>Raptor Talon (590)
>Chaos Lord (120) - MoT, Sigil of Corruption, VotLW, Lightning Claw, Bolt Pistol, Jump Pack
>Raptors (140) - MoT, 2x Melta Gun, Combi-Melta, Melta Bombs
>Raptors (140) - Same as above
>Warp Talons (190) - MoT

Plan would be to run up super close to the other guy, DS in, blind with Warp Talons hopefully, bless the Lord/whatever unit he's in ASAP, and make a disordered charge, and hopefully kill the shit out of whatever I pointed the formation at

Opinions?

>>50466979
Maybe the decurion has tack-on unit options like all the others, for havocs or daemon engines

>>50466588
They should make a Techpriest/magos kit that could represent the different schools and apply different benefits to an army. The one IG has can be used for a bog standard Enginseer.

It's weird that even with all the models, GW didn't include neither the Enginseer nor servitors into the Admech/Skitarii codexes. Hell, I'm sure they could squeeze in techmarines in there as well as sort of adepts learning the ways of the machine. Could be an upgrade to an Enginseer, so you could have either to normal Enginseer or upgrade him into a techmarine adept with Marine stats. Could be useful if you're making a more CC oriented unit.

>>50466271

What you use for this kind of list generator? Battlescribe is fucking infested with bugs recently

>>50466959

I was just hesitant to give the Vanguards PlasCulvern, because that's 3 shots of Gets Hot on a 1W model each. They're 9pts per model and calivers are 30pts each. 39 points gone on one failed roll.

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>Magnus, the most powerful living psyker in the galaxy, a 10,000 year old living avatar of pure chaos magic, The most expensive non-fw named character in 40k by far, can be totally shut down by a 100 point squad of Sisters of Silence

LOVING EVERY LAUGH

>>50467025
For at least two turns you'll be BS6+, giving you a reroll. If you can't make your points back over two turns with a 3-shot plasmagun, I don't know what to tell you.

>>50467004
Speaking of servitors, should techmarine with servitors be treated like Tau character with drones and SW character with wolves? Like let him be able to join units with his servitors. Wouldn't that make him and his servitors a little more useful?

>>50466918
Also he's a master of biomancy (despite not having access it). Able to change his appearance and one time grew to the size of a Titan to wrestle it.

Mind you this was all done BEFORE drinking the daemon koolaid while he was just a vanilla Primarch.

>>50466991
That sounds badass, so use them as a psychic power replacement? Magi can use one, Archmagi 2. Magi could be a slightly more expensive Vet Sarge for Dark Skitarii.

Fuel leak sounds a bit weak, maybe make it force a disembark? That way you could shove them out of their vehicle and then shoot them in the following shooting phase, assuming powers cast during psychic phase, which seems logical. Make them work like 30k Cybertheurgy, so leadership tests at varying penalties to cast.

The awesome army-wide curses would be Archmagos only, and would have severe penalties to the LD test, but nearby other Magi could help to boost the spell, meaning you have to dedicate stuff to it like Psychic powers.

Ill just scrape all the chaos symbols off of them and paint them red and wait for inferno to release

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Fucking love venoms

>>50467094
The only chaos symbols are on banners and shit. Look at the sprues. You could just paint them red out of the box.

>>50466930
Not by far, pretty sure Vulkan is close.

But either way a normal daemon prince comes up to his fucking crotch. The FW Magnus will probably be like a head or so taller than vulkan, or maybe less.

Having him be literally 3 times the mass of every other 'big guy' on tabletop is just obnoxious.

Also whats the fucking point of his LoS through walls rule if he's bigger than all the fucking terrain anyway?

>>50466948
>picking some wanker who does everything perfectly as your primarch-fu in a universe where everything is shit
enjoy having a shallow primarch :^)

>>50467066
Yes. Same with Engiseers (if applicable)

>>50466996
You can use the Deepstrike artefact in the TS list to make the talons not scatter. But I wouldn't rely on Blind. It sounds pretty good to honestly, deffo great for casual play.

Nobody ever expects TSons to be played aggressively. I will focus on that, I think. I probably won't use raptors/warp talons but I'm thinking a maulerfiend for sure, maybe 2 or a forge.

>>50467090
>Fuel leak sounds a bit weak, maybe make it force a disembark?
Leadership check to not disembark, represents bravery in the face of a ruptured fuel line.

>>50466948
>implying every primarch isn't either a jobber or a literal who?

>>50467126
>You can use the Deepstrike artefact in the TS list to make the talons not scatter.

Oh cool, I hadn't seen this. Thanks anon! And yeah I basically wanted to take the army in a direction that most people won't. I am a bit worried I'll be too light on actual bodies but I guess some filler Daemons can help with that for objective holders etc. Screamers are cute_____

>>50467128
Yeah, that makes sense. Forcing stuff like meltavets out of their transports right before the shooting phase should probably not be a thing a regular squad leader can pull off fairly reliably.

Also, make all these curses and shit ignore enemy ATSKNF, because screw that blocking all the leadership fuckery.

>>50467128
>>50467090
Leadership check. If passed, they take damage (up it to s4 to compensate for the downsides of disembark?) and if failed they disembark as per normal.
>>50467160
Absolutely. It's a leadership check, not a morale one.

>>50466996
It's as good as it gets, for now. If coupled with the Heldrake formation you could multicharge with all the Raptors on backfield units and force enough LD debuffs to make the unit flee off the board, but otherwise you're going to have to rely on terrain to keep your harrassing raptors alive. Or you could just throw meltaguns at them and drop them on some tank.
I wouldn't bother with Warptalons though, they're still so expensive and the blind is pretty unreliable.

>>50467090
Could also have different casting difficulty depending on what your target is, I guess, to make it just a little bit harder to possess a Baneblade compared to a Razorback.

>>50467157
Shit, I can't find it. I could've sworn there was a Deepstrike non-scatter artefact or wargear choice in the TS update. Where the fuck did it go? Maybe was in a fake leak?

sorry man, I thought it was there..

>>50467128
Take leadership test, on pass, either emergency disembark, or take D6 "Whatever" hits.

On fail, emergency disembark AND take D6 "Whatever" hits.

>>50467192
Eh, I feel like that's a bit much.

>>50466951
Yeah but epic's scale has always been a bit off because of how small you can actually make some models whilst still having detail.

Also why isn't he a fucking monkey like in epic?

>>50467069
Well fuck it then, this isn't a mini-wargame anymore.

Just make him the size of a small child and have him deployed off the table, gazing down and firing eye-lazers on the battlefield.

>>50467181
>>50467160
Also, maybe instead of having rollable powers and such, you could purchase a specific scrap-cant box or something as a upgrade to the characters. You could have a whole separate section in the wargear list, with some being limited to HQs and so on.

>>50467220
>You could have a whole separate section in the wargear list, with some being limited to HQs and so on.
Guard orders.

>>50467100
nah they're gay.

The only appeal of Deldar is the space-pirate ships and venoms just squander that by being a generic eldar skimmer.

>>50467112
To give manlets a bigger target?

>>50467182
Maybe just have them be a -1Ld vs SH vehicles, walkers and flyers, no need to make this REALLY complicated.

>>50467220
That sounds awesome, better than bullhit psychic rolls.

>>50467192
>>50467204

I like leadership test, if passed, take D6/3 whatever hits. If failed, emergency disembark. Enemy player can choose to normal disembark instead, but autofails the Ld test for doing so.

>>50467190

It turns out it's a Warlord Trait. 1/6 chance but that can still help sometimes. Just means the "I'm going to die in combat" Lord has to be WL

>>50467220
I thought they would work better being the same as Admech canticles, one use per game, being able to recycle one if you take their book detachment.

Prevents spamming specific curses.

>>50467003

It does.

>>50467262
Canticles work because they do things to your whole army, though...

Unless you mean this to affect every enemy vehicle?

>>50467259
Oh shit, yes! That sucks but the traits aren't that sucky at least. Just means you gotta be careful with placement and pray.

As for my own list, apart from the rubric/spawnsorc idea I told you, I'm probably going with 3 more ExSorcs on discs solo or bunched up, a maulerfiend or two, scarab occult going flat out in a Land Raider and maybe a DP of Tzeentch, depending on points.

Will also check how many charges I realistically need. Might add some Brimstone Horrors I'll fluff as Tutelaries summoned to act as a psychic battery (exactly their purpose, really..)

Start of game I bukkake the field with Lord of the Silver Tower abilities, of course. I'll have like 5 of the fucking things. I can't wait to try it.

>>50466996

>lightning claw and bolt pistol

why.jpg

>>50467126

Deep Strike Artefact in the TS list? What?

>>50467288
Well you can have it similar to the canticle modifiers.

The more Dark Mech units you have, the more the effects of the curses, in the case of curses that effect specific units, increase the amount of units it effects.

>>50467288
>every enemy vehicle
As if vehicles are weak enough as is.

>>50467044

>charge the sisters with Magnus
>kill them the old fashioned way

>>50467346

I couldn't think of anything better to give him lel. I don't play CSM usually, I play DEldar. I also thought it'd look cool when he was with all the Lightning Claw dudes.

>>50467343

Sounds good anon. I particularly like the idea of including a Maulerfiend and a bunch of disc sorcs. My only concern is that you'll be pretty short on points. But the Brimstone Horror solution sounds like a good idea, I was basically thinking the same thing. You can get over 9000 warp charges from a bunch of 30 point shit units and if your opponent wastes time killing them then he's not blasting your important elite guys who'd die to massed fire.

>>50467385
give them the D strength force weapon

>>50467418

Give him the new daemon weapon, or at least a power fist or something.

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>>50467419

>>50467223
Sure, you could go that way, but imo the idea of them taking out a dusty old HDD from the vault containing rabid data-daemons to unleash in battle (kind of like pokemon really) sounds more fun.

>>50467262
Yea, at least the better ones should probably have limited charges. Alternatively have some stuff like one of the HH ones that can jump into other nearby vehicles and spread the infection.

So does anyone know when all this Mechanicus stuff is actually going to be brought out? I'm still new and despite having to use two codexes I feel a bit limited.

>>50465776
Is it just the style of art, or does he have scipture tattooed on his skin?
It fits regardless.

>>50467467

He has scripture tattooed on his skin.

Getting all the Imperial Cult ink removed and replaced by Chaos ink must have been a bitch tbhfam.

>>50467460
The 30k curse is the biggest bullshit ever. Once it's in a vehicle, it's on borrowed time, it reinfects every vehicle, including itself, so unless all your vehicles are far enough away, they just keep getting hurt until they die.

>>50465708

> Writing a Tyranid list is not very fulfilling

1850pts

> Hive Fleet Detachment
Hive Tyrant- Wings, 2x TL Devourers, Electroshock Grubs- 250pts
Hive Tyrant- Wings, 2x TL Devourers, Electroshock Grubs- 250pts
Hive Tyrant- Wings, 2x TL Devourers, Electroshock Grubs- 250pts
Mucolid Spore Pod- 15pts
Mucolid Spore Pod- 15pts
Mucolid Spore Pod- 15pts

> Combined Arms Detachment
Hive Tyrant- Wings, 2x TL Devourers, Electroshock Grubs- 250pts
Hive Tyrant- Wings, 2x TL Devourers, Electroshock Grubs- 250pts
Mucolid Spore Pod- 15pts
Mucolid Spore Pod- 15pts

> Combined Arms Detachment
Hive Tyrant- Wings, 2x TL Devourers, Electroshock Grubs- 250pts
Hive Tyrant- Wings, 2x TL
Devourers, Electroshock Grubs- 250pts
Mucolid Spore Pod- 15pts
Mucolid Spore Pod- 15pts
Rippers- 5, Deep Strike- 65pts

>>50467526
Huh, yea I guess they derped the wording there a little. Should be limited to infecting once per vehicle.

>>50467467
Well the current rumour for the book porting 30k Mechanicus to 40k Admech is March but the previous rumour was September THIS year. so take as much salt as you want with that.

Combined Cult/Skitarii codex is Eventually (tm)

I can't even guess at this new arm thingy.

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>>50467532

that's some serious Tyranid business right there

>>50467526
Only.one haywire hit per turn, though, and it takes a couple turns to spread enough, plus only a 12" range to start means it serves more to weaken a good chunk of the enemy vehicles than outright murder them.
Only time I've seen it kill anything is the first Rhino I tagged with it.

Wait, you mean that the infected vehicles spread to every one within 12", so if a vehicle is within 12 of multiple infected, it gets hit twice? Holy shit, we didn't notice that.

What powers can magnus actually roll on?

It's all of them right?

>>50467532
Your army sucks at objectives.

>>50467594
Oh no, I didn't mean it multiple hits. but a hawyire hit every turn that jumps between vehicle forever unit all infected vehicles are dead is insane.

It forces you to really spread your forces out thin, otherwise it will just spread up the chain.

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It's 55€ for a book... but it's Fabius Bile!

Jeez, I want it so bad, but I shouldn't.
I don't even know if it's a good book.

Why are you doing this to me, GW?!

>>50467627
*forever until

Brain pls.

>>50467419
does magnus even have the D

>>50467622
>>50467648
he automatically knows all Change and Tzeentch spells, plus Gaze of Magnus
thus he has two D-Spells, one is a beam
the other thing was a joke though

>>50467526
It's fine. Seeing as it's a relic and therefore not allowed in normal games.

Do any of you use 30k vehicles in 40k and find them more useful?

I'm thinking about a Venator but I don't know if it'd be of much use in 40k.

>>50467044
in an army of AP3 bolters I don't think that 100 point squad will last that long.

That said you can put a 40 point inquisitor in ANY army of the imperium squad to make them completely immune to psychic powers and he'll also make Magnus I1 if he gets charged by this same squad.

>>50467627
Thing is, there only 7 turns tops in a game, and it will take two just to close to virus-launch and one more to start spreading. So it wont have a game-changing effect unless you get a T2 launch or are okay against an IH tank spam list or some such.

>>50467671
Okay, I guess that's better anyway, though I liked the idea of him having access to all the disciplines at once.

I'm just gonna use Gift of Mutation on him over and over again until he's either a smaller daemon prince, a spawn, or invincible.

>>50467682
your point is also true for the inquisitor, he's gonna die fast
except if you put him in gravcents or somethingthen we would have to resort to skullfucking him with a daemon weapon

>>50467680

The Venator is worth it purely for the time you fight a Knight Crusader and negate 400pts of guns.

>>50467418
Oh yes, for sure I'll be tight on points but I'm considering just having a wingless DP for the sole purpose of summoning more Brimstones if that's possible. i usually ran him with wings, armour and either the burning brand or the black mace but now I might have to rethink his role as my entire playstyle for CSM changes.

I will find a way.

>>50467705
*Playing* against IH tank spam, sorry.

>>50467705
Well if you go full relic spam you can take the teleporter relic, the virus and the nanite weapon. Teleport within range, let loose with both weapons, then use a jetpack to jump away.

>>50467680
Stunlocking warlord titans is hilarious.

>>50467715
pro tip: use the spell that turns enemies into spawn on 6s to wound instant deathon their riptides
thats also on his sword

How do deldar beat cover fucking high armor fnp reroll everything AdMech?

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I hope the rumorbait is indicative of combined Admech codex with new units early 2017.

Something right before IA14 comes out would make a lot of sense.

It would really make sense, considering how popular Admech has become. And there's so much potential even without expanding the fluff, as well as so many opportunities to make small adjustments to units like Electropriests that could make them popular and start moving models.

At the least I hope the formation rules for the Eradication Cohort coming out next week are good.

>>50467680
Spartans sure beat Landraiders and Sicarans are awesome.

>>50467796
The Eradication Cohort will probably be limited to just the units in the box though, which won't leave a lot of room for fielding Electropriests save one unit, probably.

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>>50465708
>Leviathan Owners Club Edition

>>50467720
>your point is also true for the inquisitor, he's gonna die fast
are you a bit retarded anon?

he's not gonna die fast if his in a unit, which is obviously the whole point, and that entire unit will die a lot slower vs a tzeentch army as they are immune to all psychic powers.

Magnus is a monstrous, not gargantuan creature so he'll still get tarpitted to shit and from what I've read his blade isn't a daemon weapon.

>>50465960
I've been building up a big World Eaters army to supplement my even bigger Iron Warriors army, but I expect that the rules will be so weak for both that my incredible bitterness will force me to go back to improving the Iron Warriors army.

>>50467766
Caltrops

>>50466062
>>50466057
I fully expect their reign to be short. 99% 8th will use reinforcement point pools for summoning and created units like AoS.

>>50467840
That a nice bloop you have there. It would be a shame if it tripped and fell in to 15 haywire shots.

>>50467796

I still maintain all Electropriests need is a price-cut. They're surprisingly effective close-range shooters.

>>50467892

What about the stick ones?

Review of the Lord of the Silver Tower ability? When's the best time to use it? I'm thinking it's your Turn 1 initial softening bombardment desu

>>50467734
No more than 1 relic per character, anon. Although the Avatar of the Omnissiah build is hilarious.

>>50467796
This. all of the YES. Toss in a DarkMech supplement and I'd let another year and a half go by without new stuff. Assuming they are all good of course.

>>50467766
Pack some Agonizers and fry the Kastelan with them, Haywire blasters for the Dunecrawler and Knights, just shoot Sicarians and Dragoons, melee the shit out of everything else. Admech, exception given to the dedicated CC, completely suck in melee fights.

>>50467892

Yeah, they really aren't that bad, but not worth 18ppm.

>>50467877
He killed all my caltrops with his reroll everything cover fuckery.

ALL 8 OF THEM

IN ONE TURN

24 BIKES

>>50467532
I'd suggest some Flyrants, they're pretty good.

>>50467892
A price reduction and access to an assault transport, or any transport at all would make them worthwhile.

At the moment they have to start out in the open, just waiting to get drowned in small arms fire.

>>50467902

I know it's pie in the sky, but having that 3++ at all times would be a huge boon. The problem is getting that first unit kill to trigger it. After that they're gravy.

>>50467907
Not in 30k. Only restriction is that your opponent has to agree to relics being used. Which is more than often enough for them to never see use.

>>50467908
You mean reroll-hits cover saves at -1, right? 40k Admech can't force a reroll on cover saves, only 30k Mechanicum.

>>50467886
Good luck, I'm behind 7 retros

>>50467892
What they need is a transport more than anything.

>>50467925

Hell, even give them Dunestrider. Just something to either protect them on the way to combat, or get them there faster.

>>50466184
Nice fanfic

>>50467975
Nope, Wrath of Magnus.

>>50467953
Yeah that. I have no idea how to beat it without resorting to covens.

>>50467958
Even if GW doesn't want to make a kit for them they really need to at least give them access to the Rhino, Chimera, Taurox, or Goliath. Maybe an upgrade sprue.

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>>50468073

>Skitarii Rangers in chimeras

>>50467852
true with the psychic powers, but as you said, a squad of SoS is gonna die fast, and so is every other squad save Terminators or, to an extent, Bikers
also i didn't mean Magnus' Force S8 instakill-on-6-to-turn-to-spawn weapon, i meant Seer's Bane

" rumors of plastic SoB in dec...."

LOL jk its chaos....

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So i've ventured into 40k picked up some Nids second hand off a friend. I know nids aren't in the best of places atm but I like their aesthetic. I'm pretty well brand new with 40k I play AoS already but 40k is a new beast entirely. What are some must haves for playing Tyranids? What are the optimal things to be putting on Warriors etc.
Right now i'm working off of
20 ish gene-stealers
8-10 of each termies and hormies
1 trygon
1 hive tyrant
3 warriors
1 broodlord
and 2 carnifexes

>>50467343
>depending on points
Should be good in a 3000 point apocalypse game. Good luck fielding all that shit in any normal game.

>>50468073
I feel like GW wrote themselves into a corner. On the one hand, they refused to give Admech transports (despite Admech being the people who BUILD TRANSPORTS for the entire Imperium). On the other hand they gave Skitarii a bunch of speed abilities to make them sanicfast even on foot.

So what happens when they give Skitarii transports? Scouting dunestrider Infantry that can cover a ton of ground and unload a boatload of 2-wounds-on-6s shooting that will melt face

>>50468188

Yeah, that's why I suggested in >>50467966 to give them Dunstrider. I actually like the idea that the AdMech don't use transports. Because they're either already there defending, or they just use those robot legs to march the fuck in.

>>50468222
It's cool thematically, but in the end it's a weakness that people don't like to have to compensate for. And it really ruins some units.

>>50468180
I think I can do it honestly. 2K doable.

Rubric blob, scarab occult and landraider would be about 950 or so. 4 Exalted Sorcs, maulerfiend, the rest on kit, spawn and brimstones.

>>50468188
aren't Ruststalkers Bulky? just add a Rhino-like rule if that's the case.

>>50467638
I've loved some books by Reynolds (Blood of Nagash), but I don't like Fabius enough for that.

>>50468073
>Goliaths
Skitarii Vanguard in a speedy, cheap and well-armed transport. WANT.
Sicarian Infiltrators in a speedy, OPEN-TOPPED transport with gold guns for popping light transports. WANT MORE.

>>50468188

Eh, no Dunestrider on the basic infantry. Just add a rule that Sicarians can't be carried in them, bump them up to T4 and everything is golden.
Also, were not asking for rent-a-pod back, we just want a fucking truck. Fire Warrior Breachers can get Devilfish, which are an order of magnitude above Chimeras or Rhinos (although more expensive).


>>50468222

I liked that fluff too, but even the Admech must recognise that a transport magnifies battle effectiveness of powerful short-range infantry exponentially. It would probably cost less to make Chimeras for all the Vanguard than replace those killed while closing to range.

>>50468188
Probably not an issue as long as it's not an assault transport. Which in retrospect eliminates the Goliath.

>>50468188
Another simple fix is no assault transports / shooting hatches
>but but muh admech CC units

Marines (Vanilla, Snowflake, or Spiky) have lived without effective Assault Transports.

That or Walker Transports (with Dunestrider).
>Slightly faster than walking
>Safer
>Reason for more Crabbots

>>50468318
>lobstertonk transport
that would be cool

>>50468222
Well Forge Worlds due use Goliaths in non-military capacities already. They could easily include them with fluff that they're primarily used in a logistical role within the Skitarii.

With all this talk of daemon formations let's talk about the daemon hunters How can GW make GKs work again using their current design philosophy?

I say a small formation that gives rhinos the assault vehicle rule

>>50468258
>>50468180
16+1 Rubrics/Sorc = 426 + Soulreaper Cannon 25 + 5 Flamers 35 = 486
4+1 Scarab Occult/Sorc = 250 + Soulreaper cannon 25 = 275
Land Raider + Dirge Caster = 235
4x Exalted Sorcs = 160x4 = 640
Maulerfiend = 125

1761, 239 free for wargear, leftover for spawn and Brimstone Horrors. Can cut back of flamers and soulreaper cannons to get more points.

>>50468392
Make them specialist allies again.

>>50468266
Yup, they made units from the faction with no transports bulky.

Because just in case you dare to start them next to a transport, pray you get first turn, then board it in your turn, they better make sure not many can get in that transport.

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>>50468318
Im fine with no Assault Transport, but it at least needs 2 Fire Points for Arc Rifles, or I'll just ally in Chimeras and damn the deployment embark, like I do now.

Walker transports would be awesome, but I keep imagining an antigrav speeder with handles on the side so you could tank desant on it like the Trade Federation battle tanks in the Star Wars prequels

Probably be best with a large walker like this one, though.

>>50468385

Also this. Not like GW would give us cheap Chimeras when they could sell us the expensive and smaller truck along with an upgrade sprue.

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>>50468424
>tfw GW makes plastic Triarios

>>50468405
We need more than that. Outside of 1 Libby+Termie squad, we start to leech points that could be better spent on the primary army. Looking at 2v2's as "main army+GK ally" hep visualize this. You end up with 2 gimped armies because the GK just soak up points to be midly effective instead of having a sufficient standalone army with GK allies for psyker shenanigans/deep strike threat.

>>50468463
FUCK YES.
Hell, cut it's capacity to 12 and drop some points off it, but that thing is a beauty. DUNE TRAIN MOTHERFUCKERS!
Also plastic Castellax, but that's just me being greedy.

>>50468424
i want this
don't care if its land raider costed
Neutron Laser on top with Large Blast
sponson Arc Rifles/ Heavy Grav Cannons/ some kind of 5-shot Radium thing

>>50468474
That's my point. They should juice them up to make small GK detachments attractive. The GK role as pure anti-daemon specialists jives poorly with being a main army. Both Deathwatch and SoBs are able to handle that much better.

>>50468405
>Make them specialist allies again.
Won't help.
Hell right now SOSs are better at Daemonhunting (if Daemon in question is a Psyker)

>>50468392
Couple (sweeping changes)
>Banishment reduces ANY invulnerable save by 1 (6++ worst case) instead of only vs invulnerable saves vs Daemons

>Let Banishment stack with itself

>Purity of Spirit lets GKs reroll harness dice or harness on a 3+ when targeting Daemons or if locked in Combat with a Daemon

>Reduce Paladins price by 5-10ppm

>Give GKs an Intervention / "Ally" Formation that lets one GK in Deep Strike reserve to automatically come in when an Imperium unit is charged (one unit per charge) (Kinda like how Deathmarks can come in). Units that Intervene can Charge after landing (only able to target the unit that activated Intervention)

>>50468560

Yeah, a small GK detatchment should be enough to really fuck shit up. GK are the elite of the elite, and having them as a full army does them a disservice.

>>50468586
I still would like to keep the ability to run a full army, though. For those fluffy Daemons vs GK matches. Plus I own over 2000pts of them and I don't want a bunch of them to become useless because they become allies.

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>>50468171
Wings and dual devourers for the hive tyrant obv

If you want to run warriors, I'd keep them as cheap as possible, maybe a heavy weapon to sit on a backfield objective with a 'thrope nearby. Maybe find a formation you like that includes them and cater to that.

Otherwise, at this point the Tyranids I see played rely on multiple flyrants, mucolids and cheap objective securers.

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Many people think that the Emperor would be furious and disgusted about the Imperium if he ever awakened from his psychic slumber. Would that also the case with the Primarchs? What would be their reaction upon witnessing the modern Imperium of Man?

>>50468691
1. He'd probably be like "What the FUCK did I say about revering me like a god?"
2/3. They would be like "Guys, what the FUCK!? We should've formed that new Imperium with Girlyman before Sanguinius died..."

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>>50468691
he'd be a tad upset

>>50468691
why are goliaths so expensive and chimeras so cheap?
how big is the goliath?

>>50468648
Maybe a high points cost to make them as allies more practivate but also make major matches

>>50468739
didn't mean to reply to
>>50468691

also they would all be pissed

>>50468691

I think that the rumor is that one of the loyalist would be so pissed that he will join Chaos. Meanwhile, there's the chance that one of the Chaotic ones will redeem himself.

>>50468691
>>50468734
>>50468737
The Emperor is well aware of has happened to the Imperium, and he's fine with so long as it holds humanity together.

>>50468691
All of the would be super fucked off except Lorgar
Guilliman would be incandecent because they've completely twisted his teachings despite explicitly saying how they could be used

>>50466693
check out the champions of fenris book if you want to go light on the wolves and heavy on the viking, it should be in the mega.

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>>50468775
>Meanwhile, there's the chance that one of the Chaotic ones will redeem himself.
>yfw it's horus

>>50468392

Even more teleport shenanigans

One of the best bits of GK fluff is how they're always using teleporters to trick their enemies and show up at inopportune times. Like that one short story from the current Codex where a bunch of GK bust down a door, then pretend they're being overwhelmed and retreated down the corridor they came in from. The Daemons all follow them in and a second Terminator squad teleports in behind them, at the doorway, to sandwich and murder the shit outta all the now-trapped forces

Personally I don't want them to turn GK back into being an allies-only tier force because I want to play GK some time in the future

>>50468811

Not that anon but the whole reason the Emps is in the perma-cripple Golden Warp Toilet is that he got BTFO when he expended too much energy to expunge Horus' soul from any possible plane of existence (ironically Horus' body survived kek)

>>50468775

>Meanwhile, there's the chance that one of the Chaotic ones will redeem himself

The only primarch this is even a remote possibility for is Alpharius.

>>50468843
I'm well aware of that, but it's not like crazier stuff hasn't happened.
And with that, you can have a siege of terra 2.0, where horus battles abby to the death, sacraficing himself to save the imperium for MAXIMUM POTTERY

>>50468825
Grey knights should absolutely get get a formation that lets termies deep strike with less scatter and assault the same turn, that would help them out so much because they can actually get stuck in without being shot to shit for a turn

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>>50468739
The Goliath kit is a fancy new kit and is a dual build with the Rockcrusher which has a bigass dozer blade, an enclosed deck option and a bunch of big turret gun options on top of the Goliaths TL AC. The chassis itself is quite small, but the kit is nicely detailed and has a lot of bits.

>>50468856
>Alpharius
Hate to tell you. Dorn done killed him.

Unless dead Primarchs are coming back. Which means my boy Ferrus Manus is returning

>>50468394
What is the Land Raider for? The Scarab Occult want to just mill around shooting at shit with magic and magic bullets.

That Rubric block is beyond retarded and will never even come close to earning its points back.

Naked (Exalted) Sorcerers are shit. They all need ML3 and Spell Familiar to be worth it. If you're going to run a bunch of Exalted's, throw them into Ahriman's Exiles for the 3+ casting.

You need a big block or two of spawn for Disc Sorcerers to roll with, and they're available through the Warherd. Which is good, because you need the bodies anyways.

>>50468887
Omegon?

>>50468781
No he's not, there's a story in the lore book that comes with the brb where every statue of the emperor started to weep, does that sound like he's okay with what's going on?

>>50468876

If the Nemesis Strike Force did this along with its current rules it'd actually be pretty good

Imagine the Tau player's face when 10 Paladins turn 1 deepstrike into his gun line kek

>>50468856
Could also be Perturabo in my opinion. He hates the Emperor, but oh boy does he hate the Chaos Gods. I could see him charging out of the Eye of Terror and ripping the 13th Black Crusade a new one before going off to the Halo Stars and proclaiming his own Empire where he can finally build things without anyone being able to tell him to tear it down.

This includes the idea that GWs retcons him into not being a Daemon Prince because of the "No Chaos Undivided Princes" thing they've had for a few years.