Warhammer 40,000 general

>>50439824
How long have we been accepting rides from clowns instead of staying the fuck away from them?

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DA ORKS GOT HERE THIRD, WEZ FASTER THAN THE STOOPID ELDAR.

>>50439854
Since they're fun

Tell me 40k General:
Played any games recently? Plan on playing any soon? Worked on anything lately? Getting any cool stuff for Christmas?
Also, bonus question:
So how do you all think Failbadon will mess uo the 13th black crusade?
Who will be the next primarch to come back?

>>50439906
>DA ORKS GOT HERE THIRD, WEZ FASTER THAN THE STOOPID ELDAR.
>THIRD
>second post
Good for you

>>50439709

AFAIK, just a meme at this point.

>>50439767
IA14 in March, working on it :)

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>>50439906
NTH FOR MAGNUS DIES LIKE A BITCH TO DEREDEOS WITH WAR ON MURDER.

>>50439913

Assembling a Word Bearers Land Raider. Painting it will take a while because of the sheer amount of bling expected of me to put on it. Planning on getting Traitor Legions.

>>50439824
>Not 'Use psilencers on magnus' edition.

one job op

Repostan from last thread.
Anons, last I heard there was some muttering about Dark Mechanicus and IA14. Do we have any leaks from IA14/Ideas about whats going to be in it? I want new toys :)

>>50439913
>Played any games recently?
No :,(
>Plan on playing any soon?
I hope
>Worked on anything lately?
I wish
>Getting any cool stuff for Christmas?
Don't think so
>Also, bonus question:
>So how do you all think Failbadon will mess uo the 13th black crusade?
Ynnead sucker punching Slaneesh
>Who will be the next primarch to come back?
Mortarion most likely, but Russ do have a miniature now

>>50439887
>rule says single enemy unit, monstrous creature or vehicle
good thing Magnus is a flying monstrous creature :^)

>>50439993
Doesn't stop me from once killing Bel'akor before the game even began at a tournament. That shit's hilarious, because FUCK YOUR PSYCHIC BULLSHIT.

>>50439993
Good thing they count as Monstrous Creatures for all rules purposes.

>>50440013
You cheated if you used it on Bel'akor since he's a flying monstrous creature and the rule only covers monstrous creatures

>>50440028
See this post
>>50440027

>>50439946
>not trapping fagnus with 4 drop pods right next to a culexus
The FMC can not escape the spooky skeleton if you disable his wings

>>50439913
I played my Orks vs my friend's Tau, 1000 points.
Yes, we're moving up to 1500 points next saturday.
I bet ol' gazzy will smack him up.
Either the Lion all cyborg'd or wolf Russ.

>>50440041
>>50440027
Show me in the rule book where it says that

Magnus only loses two or three wounds on average from Lias Issodon.

Nonetheless IS possible for Lias' crew to snipe him dead before the game begins, even if less than likely. Which is hilarious.

>>50440048
How do you expect this to work exactly?

>>50440080
Poorly.

>>50440069
Even if Lias Issodon fails to snipe magnus before the game begins, Magnus still ends up starting the game with 2 or 3 less wounds, making him more vulnerable. If you're going first, there's good chance that can lead to a turn 1 frag of the big red dude himself.

>>50440063
Literally right on the FMC page you retard.

>>50440092
eh, he can start off the board, and fly on turn one, negating your attack, and losing nothing

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>>50440096
Proove it

>>50440063

>>50440096
But it doesn't say they count as monstrous creatures for rule purposes

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>>50440115
Here's your (you)

regular weapons should hit flyers on 5s, and skyfire weapons should hit non-flyers on 5s

this all or nothing thing is super bullshit

>>50439941
>IA14 in March, working on it :)
Whew, I hope the flying riptide wing isn't as terribly underpowered as GW's vanilla riptide wing.

>>50440114
how does he get on the board turn one? there are no "roll reserves on the first turn" shenanigans in CSM I thought?

>>50440114
Except 1 to 4 turns in reserve while the other 2/3s of your army has to fight the enemy with no support.

>>50440138
>flying monstrous creatures are monstrous creatures that have a number of additional rules
>doesn't say they count as monstrous creatures for purposes of rules
The only related things they share are special rules

>>50440138
Thank you anon, I am truly grateful you posted this.
No sarcasm.

>>50440158
>>50440170

if you are just walking onto your side you can do it turn one. its only if you are DS, or outflanking you need to roll

>>50440181

It does though

>Flying monstrous creatures are monstrous creatures

Have the rules from the Traitor Legions supplement been leaked yet?

>>50440193
Try reading the rules next time

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>>50440114
And then he suffers from Lias Issodon's reserve shennanigans. Enjoy being delayed by an entire turn. Possibly more if he also has a Callidus to make it a 7+ roll needed on turn 2.

>>50440181

>>50440193
What?

You have to roll for reserves and can only start rolling from turn one.
Are you sure you're not thinking of last edition?

How would /tg/ represent the Sisters of Cydonia?

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sisters_of_Cydonia

>>50440215
>>50440195
they are monstrous creatures isn't the same as they count as monstrous creatures for purpose of special rules

>>50440223
Possibly. its been a while since i played vs the dark eldar guy who used to do that

>>50440181
this is why 90% of the official FAQ is "actually read the rules you fucking idiots"

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>>50440230

>>50440230
They don't have to count as something they already are.

>>50440230

You are very technically correct: Being something and counting as something are different. One is actually directly being some thing, the other is merely having the relevant rules applying despite being something else.

But either way, the rule applies.

>>50440246
>loses an argument
>B-B-BAIT, Y-TOU MUST BE TROLLING, RIGHT?
Raptor anon on suicide watch!

>>50440223
>>50440234
turn two*

>>50440251
Flying monstrous creatures aren't monstrous creatures
Why do you think one has the word FLYING in the name
>>50440237
It appears you can only follow rules if it applies to your WAACfaggotry

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>>50440271
>>50440295

Should I just give in and buy a Heldrake? I never really liked it because it looks like it should be able to fight in close combat, but it can't even hover.

If so, how can I convert it to be Tzeentchier?

>>50440295
>Book says flying monstrous creatures are monstrous creatures

>Random anon says they're not

Sure buddy.

>>50440295
Well enjoy firing only one weapon and being int 1 from unwieldy then.

>>50439824
Wow this thread is off to a Flying start

>>50440080
Theoretically?
>infiltrate scout bikes with locator beacon and culexus
>place drop pods around magnus, trapping him as he can't move within one inch of them. Ensure no scatter because of scout bikers
>walk culexus up to magnus, take away his main advantage, ensure he only has 4++ reroll ones
>use deredoe to ground magnus
>next turn charge him with the levithan dreadnoughts you had in the drop pods
>let snippy snippy do it's work
>???
>profit

In practice?
What this guy said
>>50440089
Be fun as hell to try to do though.

>>50440323
It may say that but they don't count as monstrous creatures for purpose of special rules such as monster hunter
>>50440334
Which is why normal monstrous creatures are better than flying ones

>>50440295
Flying is a movement signifier, the same way jet pack or jump pack units are also another unit type, like assault marines being jump pack infantry or a wraithknight being a jet pack gargantuan creature. Refer to the entry that was posted and note that monstrous creature was capitalised in it despite not being a proper noun. That's because it refers to the unit type monstrous creature, the statement is not some fluffy descriptor but an actual rule.

Also if you're gonna be this deliberately obtuse in your interpretation of a rule, don't call people WAACfags.

>>50440334
Which is why you only take flying monster for their psychic powers, they're worthless otherwise.

>>50440361
Fuck your puns Anon.

>>50440379
He can move within1" of them because he's Flying. He just can't end his move within 1".

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>>50440381
It literally says, in the first line of their entry 'Flying Monstrous Creatures are Monstrous Creatures'

How are you this dense?

>>50440385
>implying jet pack units are the same as infantry or jump units

>>50440295
>>50440271
>>50440230
>>50440181
>>50440131
>you pack your army back realizing why that guy was sitting alone in the corner and nobody wanted to play with him
Here is your (you)

>>50440381
RAW is "Flying Monstrous Creatures are Monstrous Creatures."

You lose.

>>50440432
>because being a monstrous creature doesn't mean you count as a monstrous creatures, duh!

>>50440432
I'll say it again flying monstrous creatures are monstrous creatures is not the same as flying monstrous creatures count as monstrous creatures for purpose of special rules

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>>50440436
>>50440131
>>50440450

>>50440440
Right back at (you), WAACfag.

>>50440450
>this rule affects monstrous creatures
>flying monstrous creatures are monstrous creatures
how does this not compute for you?

>>50440450
I really hope you aren't as retarded as you are acting right now for your sake

>>50440441
see
>>50440450

>>50440450
You're right. They don't need to "counts as" anything because they are unequivocally that thing in the first place.

>>50440436
Except I did that at no point in my post, I only said that jet pack and jump pack are applied on top of a unit's type in the same way.

>>50440450
By that logic monstrous creatures aren't monstrous creatures then, as they don't have a rule that says they count as monstrous creatures.

>>50440423
True, true. So the solution is to make it so that there's a wall of drop pods surrounding him up to 24” away in all directions, with only enough room for the culexus to get at him.
It was a joke at first, but now I actually want to see just how many pods it would take. And how many levithans that would be charging him.

>>50440478
>monsterous creature is X
>flying monsterous creature is Y
>rules that effect X don't effect Y
Is this hard for you?

>>50440450
Check the newest official BRB FAQ on gargantuan creatures. They use the exact same wording, and are affected by anything that affects monstrous creatures

>>50440494
Yes, exactly, they're flying monstrous creatures.

>>50439913
>Recent games
Nah, been busy on Saturdays for the last month, been a real pain.

>Planned Games
Going back to the GW this Saturday, hopefully can try out my new Dragoons.

>Working on
My Ranger squad is verrry sloowlly being painted up. Built 6 Kataphrons, a Kastellan unit, two boxes of Sicarians, a Chimera, 10 Inq Acolytes and 3 psykers and two Dragoons since then, be a hell of a job to paint them all by Xmas in my new Xana colour scheme.

>Xmas toys
Hopefully getting my first 30k army in some Mechanicum. Going to be Legio Cybernetica to ally with my 40k Mech in March as well as 30k, going to kitbash me up a Scoria.

Man, I've only been playing 40k since august and I have a real backlog of stuff. Maybe it's because I find building, converting and playing way more fun than painting.

>>50440494
It's their unit type retard
>>50440487
but they are not

>>50440500
>monsterous creature is X
>flying monsterous creature is X, but also has Y
>rules that effect X also effect Y
Is this hard for you?

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If we're gonna shit around this thread then Cataphractii terminator captains can take bikes

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>>50440525

>>50440500
There's nothing that say "FMCs are Y", there is however a rule that says "FMCs are MCs which are X"

>>50440533
But not any terminator weapons.

>>50440202
Nope, unless you believe the ancient leak is legit.

>>50440393
:( since when did anons hate puns

>>50440321
Flames. Eye searing paint job.

>>50440525
The rulebook in no ambiguous terms fully and objectively disagrees with you.

Enjoy being either literally retarded or a friendless cheating asshole, though.

>>50440546
So?

>>50439824
>New plastic armless failure coming soon edition
Does that mean the ebin armless maymay is finally going to die?

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>>50440468
>WAACfag
Jokes on you I play deldar I never win

>>50440535
>Loses argument
>B-B-BAIT
>>50440527
But the same rules such as monster hunter don't apply to fmc's
>>50440585
But it doesn't I'm sorry that you're an illiterate inbred hick who's a WAACfag
>>50440540
It doesn't say they are also X for purpose of special rules it only says they are also X

>>50440587
Makes it difficult to make a super smashfucker.

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>>50440624
I have enough pics in this folder to last the entire thread mah nigga.

>>50440624
>Same rules as Monster Hunter don't apply

Monster Hunter applies to Monstrous Creatures

FMCs are Monstrous Creatures according to the rulebook

Therefore Monster Hunter applies to FMCs

>>50440569
Ever since they stopped being funny.

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>>50440618
Jokes on you, I don't even use monsters because I play Orks and never win!

>>50440624
>>50440440 is right, go back to your lone existence basement dweller

Any 40k bros here got tattoos of 40k related stuff they would like to show off?

>>50440648
>FMCs are Monstrous Creatures according to the rulebook
Yes but not for the purpose of special rules therefore flying monstrous creatures are not affected by monster hunter

>>50440667
>Not using Squiggoths

Way to not have fun

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>>50440679

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>>50440648

Does anyone know a good reference for selling old OOP 40k minis? I have a ton of old stuff that I'm looking to get rid of in the next few months before I move.

Recast thousand sons dread guy from earlier:

Yeah, this is definitely a recast now that I've actually worked with the material. It's somewhere between forge world resin and plaster, much more fragile when worked on.

On the plus side, even though I've lost a small chunk off the back of it where the exhaust pipes connect to the body, it seems durable enough for gameplay, if shitty enough to need quite a lot of clean up work. Thinking I will report for my money back, because I spent more than the original product on it expecting an OOP forge world model, and traditionally recasts are meant to be fuckin' cheaper than the original.

Is there any special procedure I need to go through to do it?

>>50440658
Guess you just hate fun then
>>50440667
>TFW no mega ork warboss who is so big he is a MC

This is absolutely the shittiest 40k General I have ever been in.

>>50440681

>Squiggoths

Possibly the worst unit in Ork Heavy Support for not making it's points back.

>>50440679

Where does the book say they don't count as MCs for the purposes of special rules?

Seems that's something you'd need to prove since the book clearly states they're the same thing.

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>>50440709

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>>50440709

>>50440692
Check completed listings on eBay.

>>50440721
Will do. Got far too much to look up everything, but it's a place to start I suppose.

Thanks.

Anyone have any thoughts on this 1k Necron list? I want something I can bring to FLGS afternoon games, but with the potential to eventually build it up into something bigger.

I'm used to playing pretty much every army except necrons, so I'm not sure if what I'm doing makes sense, so thoughts/opinions are appreciated.


Combined Arms Detachment (Necrons: Codppex (2015) v2001) (997pts)

HQ (110pts)
-Illuminor Szeras (110pts)

Troops (469pts)

Immortals (85pts)
-5x Immortal (85pts), Tesla Carbine

Immortals (85pts)
-5x Immortal (85pts), Tesla Carbine

Warriors (156pts)
-12x Necron Warrior (156pts)

Warriors (143pts)
-11x Necron Warrior (143pts)

Fast Attack (258pts)

Canoptek Wraiths (129pts)
-Canoptek Wraith (43pts)
--Whip Coils (3pts)
-Canoptek Wraith (43pts)
--Whip Coils (3pts)
-Canoptek Wraith (43pts)
--Whip Coils (3pts)

Canoptek Wraiths (129pts)
-Canoptek Wraith (43pts)
--Whip Coils (3pts)
-Canoptek Wraith (43pts)
--Whip Coils (3pts)
-Canoptek Wraith (43pts)
--Whip Coils (3pts)

Heavy Support (160pts)
-Doom Scythe (160pts)

>>50440393
I kekd. It's good to laugh, anon, try it a little more often.

>>50440709
>pr-pr-pro-prove your argument before I prove mine
way to give up

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>>50440707

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>>50440677
Thinking about getting the iron litany tattoo but with Barabas Dantioch as source because
>Bitter loyalty intensifies

>>50440630
he could still take relic blade and gorgons chains, what else do you need?
at 195 pts
cata armour, bike, relic blade, gorgons chain

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>>50440754

>>50440769
Fuck off with this non sense

>>50440707
There's been worse. And you'll see worse.

What's better for Crisis suits? I have 6 and can't decide if I want to run one big "suitstar" unit with 6 suits and a buffmander, or 2 units of 3 and 3 with the commander in one of the squads. I usually kit them out with a missile pod, fusion blaster, and target locks. So if there's any better configuration, I'm open to hearing it.

>>50440746
Laughing is for games that arent super cereal as warhammer 40k is.

>>50439913
I'm in first in my flgs's campaign.

>>50439824
Let this thread die
>>50440811

>>50440870
No.

>>50440677
I want an Imperial Aquila but have no idea where to get it.

I reckon some fucking idiot would mistake it for a Nazi thing as well.

>>50440870
Fuck off.

>>50440891
Im thinking of grabbing the blood angels symbol myself id probably throw it on my should .

>>50440870
Witnessing the birth of a new meme is so much fun.
First we had No Eternal Warrior Magnus and now:
>Let's make a new thread because I'm assblasted

>>50440937
imagine if magnus didnt have eternal warrior like the fluff would be in higher flames than it already is.

>>50440857
Tell us about the campaign anon.

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>>50440870
REKT
E
K
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>>50440891
You should probably go with the one that's divided to distinguish the different factions it represents

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>>50440954
It has Eternal Warrior. What the hell are you talking about?

>>50440986
I know im just saying that if he didnt like omg their would be fucking riots man.

>>50440813
you asked for it dude

>>50440986
>reading comprehension

>>50440997
Like Saint Celestin, but beside me and the other 10 SoB players no one really cares.

>>50441015
Whats a SoB again :^)

>>50439824
I want my unified mechanicus codex, the separate thing is awful, just blend them together already, please GW!.

>>50440745
I'd say drop a unit of immortals and get some bikes for ignore cover gauss.
Other than that you're not cheesy nor too weak so you should be fine.

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What wargear do you prefer on Imperial Knights?

I'm leaning towards a Paladin with Rapid-Fire Battle Cannon, Twin Icarus Autocannon, and Thunderstrike Gaunlet but the Thermal Cannon is sexy too.

>>50441041
None, imperial knights can't take any for the same reason Cataphractii captains can't take a thunder hammer.

>>50441041
>not choosing BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT!
It's ok anon do what you want, just drop the Icarus, literally useless, if you want to drop birds go BRRRRRRRRT!

Wrath of Magnus formations:
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1432

>>50441041
Gatling+Battle Cannon

>>50441066
it has interceptor so it can fire on ground troops
not useless at all

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>>50440844
I come into these generals partly for info and part entertainment. As for super cereals, this thread's full of pic related.

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>>50440700

Hell I'm pretty indifferent about recasts as a concept, I'm just insulted it was marketed as the real deal and came full price for a noticeable quality loss.

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>>50441074
Also this.

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Grey Knights player needing advice:

I'm using the Nemesis Strike Force detachment - should I spend 250 points on a Land Raider Crusader or spend those point on more dudes?

On Paladins and Terminators - Swords or Halberds? Str 7 glances vehicles and wounds MCs.

Banners with Paladins - too expensive? overkill? or worth their cost?

Storm ravens - best load out? Assault Cannon/Plasma/Lascannon?

How's this for Babby's First 1k BA list?

Furioso Librarian (Level 2, Meltagun)

Death Company x5 (Jump Packs, 4x Bolter, 1x Power Fist)
Sanguinary Guard x5 (5x Encarmine Axe)
Death Company Dreadnought (2x Heavy Flamer, Blood Talons, Magna-grapple)

Tactical Squad (Vet Sarge w/ Power Axe, Flamer, Heavy Flamer)
Tactical Squad (Vet Sarge w/ Power Axe, Flamer, Heavy Flamer)

TOTAL: 995

>>50441098
i know anon im just messing around this is a game where we throw painted man dollies at each other and people are jumping at each others throats because a rule may or may not be clear.

Is it possible for Magnus to get a 2+ without the grimoire and cursed earth?

Does anyone have the Flesh Tearers supplement? And does it add anything not already in another book?

>>50441142
Power axes drop you to initiative 1 - making the red thirst fucking useless.
Take a power sword or nothing. You shouldn't be charging anything that has 2+ armor anyway.

sanguinary guard with axes?! Do 3 swords and 2 axes at most.

Do you not understand the value of the red thirst?!

>>50441113
doing the right thing anon
i'm grey on recasters themselves but people who market recasts as the real deal and charge like it to are scum
might wanna specify what forgeworld actually is as i'm not sure your average ebay redshirt knows what it is

Are noise marines good unit, medicore or they sucks?

>>50441142
You can't take two heavy flamers on a dread, the list says you can replace ONE of the following with a heavy flamer, not both.

>>50441184

Shit I must have got swords and axes mixed up.

So changing the axes to swords (I'm glad, actually, swords are more BA than axes)

>>50441191

Almost everything in CSM is medicore but overcosted, making it hard to play in games with more efficient or outright better armies.

They have salvo weapons so they don't want to move much but you can buy FnP Icon for them giving them a bit more survivablity.

How hard would it be, do you reckon, to build Vindicators which can turn back into rhinos by swapping out a few parts?

Loosely, I'm thinking of getting some thousand sons rhino doors, not using the tracks (converting them to look floaty) and was pondering buying chaos vindicator kits instead. Building them to lift the front panel and gun off, swappable for a rhino front.

Overambitious?

>>50441191

Sonic Blasters poor, Blastmasters good.
General consensus is to always run them as 5-men without weapon upgrades. Either Rhino & Doom Siren, or backfield Blastmasters.
They aren't great, but could be worse. A Fearless heavy weapon is rarely a bad thing.

>Some 1k sons formations - via Iuchiban, over on dakka

>"Let's go with formations then:

>War cabal:
>1 Ahriman, Daemon Prince, Exalted Sorcerer or Sorcerer
>1-3 Rubric Marines
>1-3 S O Termies
>1-3 Exalted Sorcerer or Sorcerer

>Benefits:
>If formation is maximezed in number of units, reroll 1's to sabe.
>I a Psyker manifest one power, during the next Psychic phase the Psyker and his unit may reroll 1's to hit

>War Coven
>1 Daemon Prince, Sorcerer or Exalted Sorcerer
>3-9 Sorcerer of Exalted Sorcerer

>Benefits:
>Same as War Cabal (reroll 1's to sabe when max)
>The formation may choose one of the psychic disciplines of the BRB and cast those powers with 3+, instead of 4+.

>Tzangoor warheard
>1 Sorcerer or Exalted Sorcerer
>3 units of Tzangoors
>0-6 units of Tzangoors or Spaws

>Benefits:
>Fleet
>Reroll to save 1's when max
>Tzangoors may run and charge. If charge distance is 9 or more, +1S and +1I.

>Sehkmet Conclave
>1 Sorcerer, Exalted Sorcecer, Daemon Prince, Ahriman or Magnus
>3-9 Units of Scarab Termis

>Benefits:
>Fear
>Reroll 1's to sabe if max
>Units in this formation have +1T if they are at 6" of any other 2 units of this formation.

>Ahriman Exiles
>Ahriman
>3-9 Exalted Sorcerers

>Benefits:
>Reroll 1's to sabe if max
>Ahriman and any sorcerer at 18" cast powers with 3+.

>Rehati War Sect
>Magnus
>3-9 Daemon Prince, Exalted Sorcerer

>Benefits:
>Reroll 1's to sabe if max
>If at 18" of Magnus, the formation cast powers with 3+, and have line of sight with every unit in the battlefield."

>>50440321
Make a giant screamer or disk of tzeentch.

>>50441091
Not anymore anon, now it always snaps fire on ground targets even if it has interceptor.

>>50441315
Do we know what the thousand sons decurion benefits are?

>>50441309
Vindicators are pretty easy.
Side armour needs magnetized.
Same with top and front.

Just Google Vindicator magnetized and you'll get tutorials / peoples magnetized crafts.

>>50441315
>"You want better rules? BUY MORE SHIT"

Who said new GW was less jewey?

>>50439913
>Christmas
Hoping to pick up a start collecting and armored claw for Imperial Guard. Trying to start a small army.

>>50441337
when/how did this happen ?

>>50440230
>in addition to the special rules all monstrous creatures have

>>50439824

I love the style of unwashed cult hordes. I wanna play full-Nod with hordes of shitty mooks, backed up by some seriously hitty monsters.
What's better for me; Renegades & Heretics, or Genestealer Cult?

Genestealers give me Infiltrate, Ambush and RttS, which are all shit hot and badass. I also love all the HQ options.
However I don't really like the actual Genestealer hybrids a whole lot. I'd basically be spamming out Neophytes and I don't know if that's an actual army. Probably minimum Hybrids for formation requirements, the usual HQ, then Neospam all day.
Probably get an allied Sporefield though.

Renegades look slow as fuck without much Infiltrate or Outflank. However there are fucking *swarms* of them and I love Spawn as a unit. Seems like they have more options as an army.
Would probably go Purge to spam out Spawn and ally some Daemons in.

Is there a way to ally 'Nids into a Cult that isn't absolute ass? Do they have a Decurion yet?

>>50441428
Since 7th kick in, they change it God knows why.

>>50440839
Anyone?

>>50441133
bumping for advice

>>50440224

>SoS with Skitarii/Cult Mechanicus or HH Mechanicum allies.
>SoB with Skitarii/Cult Mechanicus or HH Mechanicum allies.
>Assassins allied to Skitarii/Cult Mechanicus or HH Mechanicum allies.
>Marines with female minis and a few special rules flavored towards Skitarii.
>SoB/SoS sans null powers and blended with Techpriest Enginseers and Skitarii/Cult Mechanicus options and special rules.

>>50441337
If we're talking about the gatling cannon on the arm, doesn't it not have the AA rule, and therefore fire snap shots against AIR targets, instead of ground targets?

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>>50439913
>Played any games recently?
Yep last night. 1100 points IG vs CSM. Ended in defeat.
>Plan on playing any soon?
I should be playing one this weekend.
>Worked on anything lately?
Guardians of the Covenant terminators
>Getting any cool stuff for Christmas?
Not entirely sure yet.
>So how do you all think Failbadon will mess uo the 13th black crusade?
I couldn't say. I admittedly have not followed his feats during the last crusade to predict.
>Who will be the next primarch to come back?
Mecha-Girlyman or maybe Russ. Surprise twist would be Khan.

>>50441454

Genestealer Cults can easily go neophyte heavy. You won't get all the toys available to acolytes, but it's reliable infantry, and you get lots of it.

If you want to run a Cult Insurrection and spam neophytes, you need the Armored Cavalcade as your core choice. You can still infiltrate squads inside transports, so no problem at all really with that list.

>>50440839
>>50441473
Double plasma and kill everybody outside transports, use apocalypse with hyml to kill vehicles with mass missile fire.

>>50441116
So I could take a Raptor Talon formation with Warp Talons for some counts as TS assault squads? Got dat AP3 and everything

>>50441473

Take them naked and in hordes. They are essentially 2W/S5 Assault Marines for 22pts.
Melee Tau, they'll never see it coming.

>>50439913
No recent games, thinking about attending a 2k tournament on Dec. 3rd just to get a few games in, even if I don't do too well. I'm trying to decide if I should wrap up my Word Bearers Chosen with plasma guns or paint my Imperial Fists.

Thinking about getting the Thousand Sons for Christmas, maybe a few drop pods.
Re: Abbadon, I think he'll get some kind of power-up from the Chaos Gods, try to go toe-to-toe with The Lion and eat shit. I'm not even a DA player, it just seems like the Lion is next to return.

>>50441454
>Is there a way to ally 'Nids into a Cult that isn't absolute ass?
If you don't give a fuck just ally in Flyrants.

>>50441133
>more dudes

>swords, baby carrier will deal with big things

>too expensive, don't do it

>depends on the opponent

>>50440966
Sure thing. It's nothing special. It works by territory control, and each week, you challenge another player for part of their territory, which are represented by these little hexagonal tiles. The attacker wagers one of his own, and then a third neutral tile is rolled up from a chart, and all three are put in a pot. Then the two opposing players play a game from 1k to 2.5k, and the winner gets to choose two of the tiles, while the loser gets the leftover tiles. Whoever has the most by the end wins. I have eight.

>>50441041

Which would be the weakest weapon options?

If I'm playing HoR Kill Team, what loadout would make a Knight a formidable adversary a Boss type model or environmental hazard to be avoided while stealing objectives without wiping the floor with any teams set up against it?

>>50441543
Yes, but you're shooting 12 shoots with rending to the flyer instead of 2 s7 ap4

Anyway to play tau without being deemed a piece of shit?

>>50441647

Just don't use the decurions.

>>50441647
Just don't spam riptides and stormsurges, use tanks and other options.

>>50441647

Combined arms detachment, only one 'tide scale suit, no LoW suits. Try to keep your marker units to about two units so you have some redundancy, but still theoretically they can be targeted out.

>>50441560

Yes. And give the Chaos Lord leading the formation the Seer's Bane daemon weapon.

Actually sounds pretty powerful, arguably better than basic rubric marines if you take it with one of the 1kSons-only formations to get lots of sorcerers.

>>50441573

>initiative 2

>>50441647
Dont abuse battle suits and instead make a list of mechanized pathfinders and strike teams backed by auxiliaries for mobility and use hammer heads and skyrays for your anti-armor.

>>50441713
So that means its a melee army right?

>>50441133
resident /tg/ gk player here.
>should I spend 250 points on a Land Raider Crusader or spend those point on more dudes?
Generally you're better off with another DK. The Land raider can be very good vs some armies, but absolutely terrible vs others. Dreadknights are usually a safer bet, are slightly cheaper. Remember we aren't a full on assault army. We need our 24'' mid range shooting on our units to help us.
>Swords or Halberds? Str 7 glances vehicles and wounds MCs.
Generally I say go with what aesthetic you like more. I personally like swords and most people will say swords because we have hammerhand anyways which brings us to S6, so wounding t4 on 2+. Halberds also add up quick, and 2 points may not seem like much as first, but for GK lists, every point is very direly needed.
>Banners with Paladins - too expensive? overkill? or worth their cost?
I don't use them, and I wouldn't suggest them. It's better to spend the banner money on hammers other things. Paladins will usually either crush the enemy in combat or get demolished to shooting/higher initiative deathstars. Paladins are more about their double psycannon shooting in my experience than their combat prowess, though they are no slouch in cc. Sticking a killing HQ in with the Paladins will be more than enough to bring them to good levels of cc killiness without the banner.
>Storm ravens - best load out? Assault Cannon/Plasma/Lascannon?
Personally don't use them, but lascannon is probably best. Storm ravens are very all or nothing units in my opinion and you will absolutely need them to be scary and do damage when they come in.

>>50441743

Nah, you can use suits, just don't take the piss. Crisis suits are a totally balanced unit and are one of the iconic Tau units.

>>50441647
Don't play against manbabies.

>>50441560
And if you bless them, they'll get a sweet +2 to invul from Blessing of Tzeentch and Mark of Tzeentch for a pretty neat 3++

>>50441744
Yup, checks out.

>>50441624
Personally I would just make boss fights by pitting kill-teams against buffed-up Special Characters from various codexes. Like say have them try to fight someone with Marneus Calgar, or Lias Issodon's statline.

>>50441033
That's exactly what I'm going for.

Thank you for the tip, that does sound like a much better use of points.

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>>50439913
>Played any games recently?
Played 1250 against Marines and nuked most of a Grav cent squad with my Combi-plas command squad, then only lost 2 models to return fire thanks to 5++ warlord trait and FNP. Then my canoness chewed up the rest with her Evicerator. It was pretty fucking satisfying.

>Plan on playing any soon?
Hard to say. My LGS is very flaky because there aren't many players yet? by they're growing so maybe.

>Worked on anything lately?
Just this. Haven't really had time to finish touch ups or start another.

>Getting any cool stuff for Christmas?
Hahaha

>Also, bonus question:
>So how do you all think Failbadon will mess uo the 13th black crusade?
>Who will be the next primarch to come back?

>>50441552

Rules Question:
> Neophyte Calvacade states that every unit must take a Chimera and start the game embarked
> Neophytes have a limit of 20, Chimerae transport 10

Can I still choose to take a Calvacade with 20-man squads, and since they cannot fit into their rides, Infiltrate them and simultaneously Outflank the Chimerae?
Because that's super fucking neato.

>>50441647
From my experience, you can't.

I field six total Crisis suits and no larger suits and still get called a mechafag OP shitter on a regular basis.

We suffer for the Greater Good.

>>50441867
Maybe try only using Stealth suits?

>>50441875
Then they'll start complaining about railheads and Skyrays. You can't win as a Tau player (and, for that matter, I don't usually win games). You're gonna get shit on.

>>50441857

That's a really good question, I advise you take it to GW via email.

It's unclear, because it's not a formation restriction, it's the deployment method as part of a special rule.

>>50441074
Fuck, that dudes spelling is atrocious.

What should my first army be?

>AdMech
>Grey Knights
>Blood Angels

>>50441893

>tfw Hammerheads are a powerful but fair Tau unit
>tfw they used to be iconic but are now overshadowed by lolRiptides and lolStormsurges

I want a flying dread.

Jump walker with zoom mode.

Dreadnought with a giant jump pack.

>>50441893
Then just go mass flyers and ask them what their problem is if they continue complaining. Some people will not be pleased until Tau are removed from 40k altogether. What you can do is try and play those people with the most cheese you can possibly field. Run that riptide wing, run they heavy retribution cadre, run mass barracudas, run OSC and ranged support cadre. Make those people rue the day they thought they could fight the greater good. Then go and play non-cheese lists against normal opponents and enjoy your game with them, play fair. But for those autistic whiners, you fuck them so hard you'll tear them not just one new asshole, but turn their ass into swiss cheese.

>>50441937

I have respect for the Tau players who are still out here fielding Railheads and Broadsides as their HS.

Especially since, yeah, Riptides and Stormsurges have overshadowed them, but mass Railguns are still fucking scary.

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>>50441074
>Benefits:
>Fleet
>Reroll to save 1's when max
>Tzangoors may run and charge. If charge distance is 9 or more, +1S and +1I.
This is the formation orks wish they had.

>>50441936
Admech are the fresh new thing.
Grey knights are being folded in to imperial agents so it's a bad time to start them.
Blood angels are great.

>>50441116

I think I might do this with my BoP/Calth boxes.

One thing that stands out to me is that is says Sorcerers can CHOOSE to generate their powers from Tzeentch, which is under modifications. To me, that implies that the tzeentch sorcerers don't HAVE to generate a power from the tzeentch table.

>>50441771

Probably a better option to just have a Big Boss running around with a few disposable squads giving him support, like Plague Zombies or melee Cultist squads harassing the players while a CSM big bad tries to take out their team leaders, or a Lictor boss that goads genestealers into charging the teams.

But having a large setpiece/hazard in the middle of a dense board is appealing to me, if impractical.

>>50441936
Go Admech

>>50441397
More like LOL FAVORITE NUMBER AREN'T WE FLUFFY.

Because if GW wanted to push: Assault Centurions, Orknauts, and Flashgits woulda been op.

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>>50440677
I got this. Sex, drugs, rock and roll.

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>>50441936
Adeptus mechanicus, join the machine cult and become a vessel of the multi force.

>>50441957
Blood angels.

>>50441957

Jump Walker is a thing. Forge World has an Eldar War Walker variant that junctions just as you describe.

A Jump Dread might be a little much.

>>50441967
We don't know that 100% about Grey Knights, the Imperial Agents book could actually make them stronger since they will have access to cheaper units and better anti-armor.

>>50442039
Those used to exist. In an older Edition BA Libby dreads could fly.

This might be a dumb question, but can my unit of electro priests start the game in my allied Inquisitor's rhino?

>>50441857
Sounds like you cannot take more models in the Cavalcade Neophyte units than the transport capacity of their chimeras.

>want to buy gf an iron priest and cyberwolves for her SW army
>GW only sells units of one cyberwolf at more cost per model than just buying fenrisian wolves and converting
>but there's no fucking way I could ever hide me converting them from her and I'm probably not good enough at converting to make them look good and not orky as fuck

God dammit.

>>50442040
It's a bad time to start them because we have no idea what they will be like, not because they will be weak.
They MAY be weak, they may not be, we just don't know.

>>50442048

Might as well allow them, then. Strap huge jets to the back of a Dread and punch it.

>>50441113

Get in touch with your local tax and counterfeit goods department and they'll recieve a fine and prison time. That'll learn em.

Signed, guy who sold a counterfeit eldar bought for £30 for £150

>>50441624
I'd do the melee variant or any gun / sword, but give it a handicap. Like the Knight is damaged so it only moves 6" or its gun can only fire every other turn.

Either that or if you have good terrian lots of tall LOS blockers with narrow alleys that the Kill Team can run through, but the Knight has to go around. And go for a cat and mouse route.

Who is better in assault? Grey Knights or Blood Angels?

Force Weapons delete 3+ armor and MCs

Death Company drown enemies in buckets of dice.

Deep Strike eliminates the need for transports.

Daemonhammer is 10 Points, Blood Angels pay 15 for a basic power weapon and 25 for a power fist.

>>50442055
No. New FAQ just shut that down.

>>50442068
Lol...pretty hard for them to get any weaker honestly. GW can't go any lower than they already have.
The current GK codex is stripped down to the fucking skeleton.
Also, there's no proof that the Imperial Agents will fully replace the GK book or just supplement it.

>>50442092
Both of them are pretty bad desu.

>>50442092
Depends on the victim
GKs will win vs 3+
but BA probably win via bucket of dice vs most.

>Deep Strike eliminates the need for transports.

You pay 35 pts for:
Mishap Immunity
Auto enter T1 (or T2)
6" disembark to spread out / minimize bad scatter
Objective Secured AV12 box

GKs stay nice and bunched for Interceptor since they can't run til Shooting Phase.

>>50441052
I saw this and felt bad you didn't get a (you)

>>50441936

First off, choose an army you like the fluff and models for so you can get "in" to the army and enjoy every aspect of the hobby.

AdMech:
>split between two codexes, you can use just one or use both
>skitarii are augmented human infantry waves with some of the best basic guns in the game
>battle servitors and robots are very resilient, cost more points, carry heavy weapons on everything
>powerful light vehicles, but lack heavy vehicles or dedicated transports
>high-tech anti-tank guns
>protocols to change combat style or tactics each turn
>no psykers, you're the mechanics guild not the mages guild

Grey Knights:
>extremely elite army, low model count
>resilient individual models
>every model is a psyker specialized in fighting other psykers and daemons
>force weapons and medium range machine guns everywhere
>teleporting assholes in dreadknight suits

Blood Angels:
>furious charge
>jump packs everywhere
>unstoppable death company rape train
>faster tanks than other space marines
>frag cannon dreadnoughts
>psyker dreadnoughts
>can use most "vanilla" space marine units too if they want
>heavy flamers and melta pistols

>>50442143
No, not with Rites of Teleportation - the can shoot and run, or run and shoot after deep striking.

>>50442092
Blood angels have higher initiative on the charge and their captain can get ap2 on initiative.
They can get vanguard vets and command squads with storm shields to block their weapons while responding with power fists or power axes.
Also, they can get I5 dreadnoughts to smash up their dreadnoughts in combat.

That relies them getting the charge I guess. A real game between them would be blood angels dropping down with 10000000 melta guns, I doubt they would see much melee.

>>50442165
Does that mean they get to shoot again in the shooting phase?

>>50442165
And Interceptor happens at the END of the MOVEMENT phase while running happens in the SHOOTING phase.

So the GKs are still bunched up for Interceptors.

>>50442165
Does it say IMMEDIATELY after Deep Striking? If not, then no - Interceptor happens at the end of your Movement phase.

Outside of Taufags - what other army has access to a lot of interceptor?

>>50442155
>tfw can't decide between tyranids or admech

halp

>>50441857
No. Because you must have the Neophytes embarked. If you buy the squad too large you're not fulfilling the requirements of the formation just as if you weren't buying the correct units.

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>>50440361

>>50442219

tyranids are bad right now, and are hard to paint

t. tyranid player

>>50440677
Not 40k but I've got the skaven emblem linked into my Norse themed sleeve

>>50442214
Pretty sure there's a Divination power that grants it.

>>50442084

Damaged is how I thought I'd do it if I did. BS2 base and limping, but still stubbornly refusing to die. Might even have It Will Not Die, making it more an avoidable hazard than something to stick around trying to kill. Sword and gun is good because if a model closes to melee it's a death sentence.

But, yeah, terrain would have to be built around it, so there are very few places it can move freely but plenty of places players can duck their models, even if it only means safety for a turn before the Knight or their opponent moves into intercept position.

>>50442230
Nids are easy to paint, they're just hard to paint well and make them stand out from every other random assholes uninspired Tyranids.

>>50442230
Yeah but. World devouring horrors from beyond the stars.

>>50442214
Entirety of the imperial army because coteaz

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>>50442072
There is art of that.

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>>50442155
>Grey Knights
>resilient
It doesn't feel like that, anon...I should pick up Tzeench with all the 1's I roll.

>>50442283

Well they're supposed to be resilient, but with riptides and stuff running around, Paladins probably aren't as great as they look on paper.

Those Tzeentch formations though...

>>50442264
Sounds great on paper until you realize basically none of their rules represent them properly on the table and your basically playing some flat, featureless PoS grey blob army reskinned to look like Tyranids with none of the feel or soul.

>>50442214
Orks get Traktor Cannons, Guard get Hydras (And flying tanks are great anti-flyer), Skitarri get the Icarus Array.

>>50442303

this

>>50442283
>resilient
Nah GK are glass swords.
Hyper expensive, good melee (but loses to true melee specialists), and the durability of models half their cost.

Just like Deathwatch are the hyperfocused Glass Cannon

>>50442303
so sad

nid player here, where my flyrants at?

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>>50442303
>>50442322
s-surely they'll get a rework soon though?

r-r-r-r-right?

What are some Thousand Sons war band colors besides blue and gold? Or do we know of any?

>>50442344
Play GSC and ally some in.,

I'm having a lot of trouble picking an army because, although I've got a few armies I want to play, each army only has a handful of units I'd want.

For example, I'd love an AdMech army...but without Dunecrawlers, which I understand are pretty important.

Or a GK army...except I really don't like PAGK. But termi-only GK armies are garbage.

>>50442318
Thinking of Skyfire there
Of the three you listed only the Skitarii has Interceptor (and only 1 of the 3 guns profiles in the array)

>>50442351
Nope. GW doesn't care about Tyranids or Orks.

We're the NPC's. We exist to make everyone else look better.

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So why does the faction that literally makes all the technology for the imperium not have access to vehicles

>>50442351
Probably. They're one of the oldest codexes. Orks, IG, and Nids all really need a new book. I'd expect at least one or more of them next year.

>>50441867

To be honest, you're going to have people belly aching for no reason if you play Tau in general.

>>50442354

What don't you like about dunecrawlers?

>>50442355
Ah yes, my bad.

>>50442354
>except I really don't like PAGK. But termi-only GK armies are garbage.

Except PAGK are more garbage than GKTDA.

Btw they nerfed Purifiers with the FAQ, can't cast Cleansing Fire from the Shooting Slots from Rhinos.

So they can't DS or shoot from inside a Transport.

>>50442362
Because GW didn't want to make tank molds.

>>50442381

I'm not sure, really. They just don't really fit in aesthetically.

>>50442362
GW didn't expect them to be popular enough to be deployed as a stand alone army.

>>50442353
thats a funny way of saying double HFD

>but actually working on a true mine spam list
>54 minimum spore mines

>>50442352

Their original red and gold, of course.

Quad Heavy Bolter Rapier batteries for Chaos Space Marines Y/N?

>>50442362
I could see not wanting to give them battle tanks to accentuate the weird science aspect. But they really should have access to Chimeras or something.

>>50442394
look at a model in person, they are very comfy

>>50442428

They should have crazy hover-tanks or some shit. It'd be too dull if they just had Chimeras.

>>50442438
>hover-tanks
no

>>50442438
Anon, they do but they don't want to get them lost or destroyed.

>>50442438

>hover-tanks

they aren't the custodes fampai

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>>50442394
>he doesn't like the CRAB TANK!
what a fag
you're entitled to your own opinion and I totally respect your right to not liking the onager dunecrawler

>>50442428
>>50442438
Interestingly In the GSC book one of the described cults is from a Forge World and their Goliath trucks are all painted in Admech red.

>>50442468
They or rather Land made those tanks and bikes for the Custodes.

>>50442417
**HFD** (375)
HQ
Flyrant ESG (240)
Troops
9 seperate Mucolids (135)

4 of these is 1500 on the dot

>>50442428
>>50442438
they should just make dunecrawler/dragoon transport variants

>>50439913
Played a 1500 point game the other day, my necrons vs his orks, probably gonna play another one next week

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Whadd you guys think the chances are that Admech will get some goodies?

>>50442526
In Imperial Agents? None.

In Imperial Armor? Good.

>>50442516
I like how you didn't mention who won, assuming we would know that the orks lost.
>kek

>>50442472

Would it be possible to convert a Dunecrawler into something like a Transport? Asking because I want to try my hand at building something like that, though I suck at scratch-building.

Also a walker transport would be neat. Shame I missed out on the mircroartstudio not!Skitarii tank when they still made it.

>>50440321
Heldrake can hover.

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eventually(tm)

Clarification here. Does the Mark of Tzeentch prevent the model from ever getting anything more than a 3++ or does it simply mean the Mark cannot increase it past 3++?

>>50442664
>SISTERS 01/2017 CONFIRMED

How many plasma calivers does the Skitarii Vanguard box have?

>>50442664
I don't want new models, I want plastic models

>>50442665
I play it as the mark cannot increase it past 3++ (or in more specific words, if you are using your mark buff, you cannot have better than 3++ - no "mark then cursed earth to get me to 2++!", but if you have a ton of other buffs from various places to get you to 2++ WIHTOUT the mark's bonus, then go for it)

>>50442709
one

>>50442709
One.

>>50438691
Is this true? Why?

>>50442723
If they make anything new it'll be plastic.

>>50442723
They could be both though.

>>50442055
No, read the rulebook.

>>50442751
What's wrong with ITC?
I don't play the format I'm curious as to why it gets bashed a lot
The rules for it seem balanced

>>50442761
This is an interesting one, because (afaik) the rulebook DOES NOT prevent starting the game in a (non-dedicated) allied transport

>>50442723
u is smart :)

>>50442362
Iunno.

Fluff-wise, only the Land Raider is marine only though, iirc.

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>>50442740
>>50442742

And I bet they're going to be perpetually sold out on bitz sites.

>>50442665
No, it just cannot be used in achieving a higher save. If you have a 4+ and MoT gives you a 3+ a further positive modifier would leave you at a 3+ as the Mark loses its effect. Yet another modifier would bring you to a 2+

>>50442394
>Not liking glorious CRAB TANK
Get out. Now.

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>>50442574
AdMech won't have any transports until Cyraxis, in which case FW gives us our Macrocarid, which is just slightly smaller than a Land's Raider.

Pic related is the wizard known as Arkhan Land, inventor/discoverer of the M.U.L.E, Land's Speeder, Land's Raider, and other such devices.

>>50442785
I'm saying I want plastic models of the ones we already have
I don't give a fuck about any new units until a 10 man squad doesn't cost 80 fucking dollars

>>50442884
who says that they wont do plastics of the old model and charge you 80bucks, might aswell hope for new models then

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q8RUhpP0Hk

MEIN KUK, IS SO HARD

JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>50442791

You would be correct. Transuranic Arquebuses take a second on the scarcity list, followed by the Arc Rifle.

>>50442904
they didn't for Rubrics
it cost 81$ to build 10 of those assholes

>>50442844

>AdMech won't have any transports until Cyraxis, in which case FW gives us our Macrocarid, which is just slightly smaller than a Land's Raider.

I need something to move a single squad around cheaply, not a huge transport. Seems my only choice is to built it.

>>50442786
Land Speeder Storm is exclusively used by Marine Scouts, despite the fact it'd be a great ride for an Inquisitor and acolytes to cruise around in

>>50442844
I'm not familiar with the MULE, what is it?

>>50442723
open your eyes anon; sisters haven't aged well

>>50442936
not really comparable, as sisters have fully blown kits, but 1k sons were just helms and shoulders to add to regular dudes so of course it be more than a box of a one kit squad

>>50442947
Well, there is the Triaros, which FW might give, but that's a DT, so they might give it, or they might not. I believe that one is approx slightly larger thana Rhino.

But no, AdMech currently have NO transports.

>>50442967
The original non-militarized variant of the Onager which was based upon the insectile beast of burden used long ago on Terra with which it shared it's name. It was used to transport magi around Mars safely.