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First for Dark Eldar

>>50429846
Second to combine mechanicus when?

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third for LEVIATHANS

So pink horrors are just unusable in their current form right?

Better left using the pre-split rules with friends?

>>50429862
I've decided to start up a Khorne worshipping Warband.

I don't know what scheme I want to do. The Iron Warrior lover in me wants to do them, but on the other hand, I also want to do My Dudes.

Wat do?

For fa/tg/uy in last thread who said he couldn't paint:
>Spray model Black
>Lightly paint whole model in primary colour (ie Red) so you can't see any Black underneath
>Use Black wash paint over whole model, but don't let it pool too much
>Paint details in other colours
>Wash that too
>Score 8.5 for painting abilty on dakka dakka

>>50429882
Take the IW scheme and alter it slightly.

>>50429882
Just do what you think looks cool. Paint up a model or two as color tests if you like and see which look you prefer.

Khornate IWs don't make much sense anyway unless you're going full Your Dudes with it.

>>50429846
Edition sounds like something out of a linkin park song.

>>50429882
Make them your own dudes with a similar colour scheme.

>>50429926
Edition is from a ETTSD episode.

Ive decided that im going to be building a tau list next so thank you all for helping with that decision.

>>50429932
>Being that guy with a boring army

>>50429938
>Tau
>boring
Come on man, you don't even know what he's taking. Fuck, he doesn't know what he's taking.

>>50429880
Splits are optional.

>>50429951
Yea >>50429938 I dont know what the hell im going to be playing but i know i want it to be suit tau but like i dont even want to actually use riptides because they are stupid. Tho tau do seem quite difficult what with the marker lights and all.

>>50429951
>tau
>not boring
>gunline:the army, with a dash of shoot and scoot
nice one, ethereal internet defence force

>>50429951
>>50429969
>Super anime robots
>Not being boring

>>50429991
>gunline:the army, with a dash of shoot and scoot
Tau haven't been gunline since the start of 6th. Do you even know what the Tau meta is these days? They are one of the most mobile armies around because they spam JSJ suits, be they Crisis or Riptides.

>>50430002
>what is an opinion?

>>50430002
Sorry anon we cant all have superior tastes in armies like you.

>>50430002
But if you paint them like gundam they become less boring

>>50430016
That's okay champ, keep at it.

Buy the new battleforce.
1 xv95
1 xv88
1 squad of pathfinders
1 devilfish
Was there anything else? I don't remember
Convert the HRR and the devilfish to a railhed. Then buy start collecting box, run 1 xv8 as a hq and the other 2 as mandatory troop choices. If you want to buy 2 stealth teams and the the OSC formation with the xv95 for ultimate anti vehicle rape since you auti hit rear AV. Then pick up some remora drones or a barracuda ax-5-2 from FW as they are great units. make sure to run drones attached to a commander with drone controller and vrt.

>>50430043
It comes with:
>1 Devilfish
>1 Pathfinder Squad
>1 Stealth Team
>1 Broadside
>1 Ghostkeel
>1 Commander

>>50430043
>Convert the HRR and the devilfish to a railhed
Seriously, stop suggesting this. As someone who actually owns multiple Hammerheads, Devilfish and Railsides, I'm telling you it would look retarded.

>>50430043
wait is this for me or what?

>>50430065
ok how about converting 2 HRR into a single railgun?

>>50430078
Idk, are you the new tau player?
It is just a suggestion honestly, take a look and see what you like. But the new battleforce with the start collecting box is one of the best ways to start as you get so many good units.

>>50430102
i am the new tau player. Im thinking of running a farsight enclave just for the sweet suit troops.

>>50429874
My Leviathan killed Bjorn in glorious melee last Friday!

>>50429915
Could do that.

>>50429920
Yeah, that's true. Though iirc, there's at least a couple named Khornate IW, and if there's any of the four gods an IW would worship, it'd likely be Khorne or Tzeentch, in my opinion.

>>50429927
Might go with that.

>>50430085
More likely. I said this a couple of times back, but a HRR is half the width of a Railhead, and just over half the length too. You could perhaps set them up like a fusion cannon, as long as you didn't do it in such a way that they'd be mistaken for one.

Imperial Agents leak when?

I'm hoping for some Inquisition updates but I'm sure it'll just be a lame copy-paste job.

>>50430141
USE THEM ON WRAITHKNIGHTS NOT HEROES

>>50430243
No one in my meta plays Eldar :)

>>50430241
expect the leaks next week. this leak there will be traitor legion leaks

>>50430243
>implying a leviathan would survive the turn it needs to get a wraithknight in combat
>implying the wraithknight wouldnt just move 12" away and laugh at the leviathan as it tries to catch it with its stubby little legs as it turns invisible

>>50430243
I want a Leviathan, how should I outfit one? I Play Minotaurs with plenty of Forgeworld like a fire raptor, contemptor dread, sicaran and a Spartan (with TH/SS termies inside lead by Asterion)

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New to 40k here.

I posted last week about my fiancee getting me some guard stuff for christmas. I'm getting the guard start collecting box, a command squad, GCS armoured claw box(which I wont use the GS sprues) and the cadian special weapons box.

Trying to make a small list for that stuff. Will vets work with armoured shield or does it need to be a regular infantry squad?

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>>50429874
>>50430141
Mine solo'd a knight last saturday! Fuckin' 2 hull points off of the knight in overwatch, 4 more over the course of 2 combats! He survived to see the end of the apoc game!

Here's the glorious fucker FATMAN standing next to the trophy he helped me get for most frags.

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>>50430358
>MFW my Google pixel randomly capitalises it's autocorrects

>>50430243
AUGH lets try something else

>>50430358
I usually give mine a Leviathan Storm Cannon, Siege Claw, the Hunter-Killers, Ceramite Plating, and recently started sticking it in a Lucius Drop Pod.

Does anyone know why the Leviathan comes with Frag Grenades anyways?

>>50430358
>>50430374
I was going to help you, but then I noticed that you posted the cute gril who does disturbing things.

>>50430361
Regular dudes.

I'm thinking about building a Haemonculi coven to supplement my regular dark eldar, what shold I aim for, lots of Wracks, lots of Grotesques, Pain Engines, or a balance of them? Or are they best as an allied force for regular dark eldar? Or vice versa? I play with chill friends (Tau who slowly phasing out for Skitarii, and Ork who's gonna get some 1k Sons, and a soon-to-be C:SM who's gonna run Cultists and Word Bearers).

>>50430371
>unpainted models in apoc
disgusting
also, please fix your gun barrels anon, every time i seem it makes me sick

>>50430358
You can't go wrong with either of the ranged weapons, and the Severing Claws. It's also good to give it the Hunter Killer rack, especially for the hilarious amount of protection it provides from Weapon Destroyed. Armoured Ceramite helps too. And give it a drop pod. The Lucius Pod means it can STAY in the damn pod for a turn, and then charge the dumb motherfucker that stayed too close to it.

>>50430401
If you can remember it, note that ALL your weapon shots happen at the same time. So your frag-grenade can contribute to its ability to thin hordes out. Also the Severing Cut wounds spread to additional models. So if you play your weapons right, a Leviathan can easily shred through the entirety of a conscript blob in a single turn. Those 6 'thingies' on the outside of the sarcophagus are actually its frag grenades. It can shoot them into nearby blobs to thin them out as it charges.

>>50430438
Are you sure the Severing Cut spreads? Looking at the rule makes it seems like its just that one model.

Okay so im thinking about putting kroot into my list for some cheap fodder is it worth it anons?

>>50430043
>Convert the HRR and the devilfish to a railhed.

Don't you dare use the rail rifle, it'll look dumb as fuck.
Buy a bunch of plasticard/styrene sheets. between 1 and 2mm, for a few (insert currency here) and make your own railgun, it's really not that hard. Find a suitable bottle cap of the turret and you're done. I'm half tempted to make one now just to show you'd be a fool not to.

>>50430454
It spreads by virtue of how wound pools work. Model takes a wound, triggering the Severing Cut, Severing Cut adds d3 more wounds. Because it doesn't explicitly state that they don't spread to other models, then the victims must continue to keep making saves until the number of wounds inflicted hits 0, or they run out of models.

It's mostly only D weapons that cause wounds that don't spread, and they explicitly state their wounds don't spread.

>>50430371
The hand that Chaplin Dreadnought is goofy looking as fuck.

>>50430483
You do know that the additional wounds dont generate more right?

>>50430499
Yea, so a Leviathan can at most deal a whopping 20 wounds on the charge. 5 attacks for 5 wounds, plus 5d3 from Severing Cut.

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>>50430371
See, I told you Saturday I see you on here all the time. Our victory was complete. Ref even had to give reinforcements to the other team to keep us from winning so quickly- too bad they just deployed in the kill box created by our tanks, knights, drop pods, and dreadnoughts. Good game, my raptor brother. For Sanguinius and the Emperor!

>>50429882
You can either look up a realtively unknown canon warband, or fluff your own

Personally I only "my dude" my DE because they have so much potential, but play CSM as The Purge because they are surprisingly unknown and i love their fluff

>>50430510
Oh, I forgot it was each UNSAVED, I thought it was just the one roll

Does anyone have experience with running the R&H "Purge" detachment? Or even any Guard artillery army. I want to make a warband of The Purge (the CSM, not the formation) supported by renegade chemical artillery in the Purge (the formation, lel). Something like

>Nurgle Lord
>Plague Marines
>Regular CSM
>Obliterators
+
>As many blast templates as possible

I quite like the idea of the Purge as a warband ("life is cyclical and currently corrupt, kill literally everything for Nurgle so we can start this shitshow over"). CSM may suck and artillery may also suck but that doesn't really concern me. My main concern is that putting down that many blast templates means each turn will take over 9000 hours.

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With the relatively recent errata adding 2 attacks to all space wolves and blood angels dreads, including named ones like Bjorn and Murderfang, anyone know if this applies to ALL dreads taken in either army including contemptors or even leviathans?

While the relic leviathan has a rule stating it cannot benefit from formation or detachment bonuses this change was for the dreadnoughts stats in each army, so i wonder if they'd apply

>>50430361
Has to be regular dudes. Their entire purpose in life is to cling to the tank and prevent melee enemies from charging it. To this end they get a 4+ cover save while they're near it, and it gets a 5+ cover save from intervening models (which you can boost to a 4+ using Camo Netting).

You can punish baddies that DO charge the squad by buying a flamer and giving the Commissar and Sergeant power weapons. 35 points.

>>50430539
Your turns will take literally forever, yes.

>>50430484
The plan is to turn it into a Dreadnought-sized Crozius Arcanum. Probably by taking two custodian shields and mashing them together on top of the pike.

>>50430546
Personally I tend to err on the side of yes. Which brings the hilarious fun of 3 attacks base Deredeos. Also if you email forgeworld about their dreadnoughts, they end up saying that all of their "dreadnoughts" count as dreadnoughts for formations. Hilariously enough their Chaplain Dreadnought also counts as BOTH or EITHER a Chaplain and a Dreadnought. So for them, you -could- bring a Leviathan or a Chaplain Dread in a gladius. It's just that because of the Leviathan's Relic of Darkness rule, it can't ever claim a benefit from whatever formation you stick him in. No free drop pod, and no rerolls to hit on his BS5 guns. While a Deredeo ~can~ claim the formation benefits, he doesn't realistically benefit from them since all of it's guns are BS5 Twin Linked.. And who in their right mind puts a Deredeo in a drop pod?

>>50430401
>>50430438
Thank you based anons

>>50430410

I prefer the Dark Artisan formation as a complement to a regular DE force. I also like the idea of the Grotesquerie although I haven't run it yet. Based on my experience with regular Grotesques and considering how much better the formation makes them it's probably pretty awesome.

Some other anon I was talking with this morning seemed to support a similar conclusion

Some people like the Corpsethief Claw but it seems like overkill to me. Too unwieldy and it all counts as one unit. You'd be better off running 2 Dark Artisans or just 1 Dark Artisan and 3 Heavy Support slot Talos squads in my opinion (backed up by 0 experience since I only have 1 Talos and the 1 Chronos so far)

>>50430539
Ask in 30k gen about how to play IW, that's the closest you'll get to 40k The Purge

>>50430546
>torbjorn gets play of the game again
kek
that aside, its only the codex dreads that get it, FW deals with the rest of their stuff seperately

>>50430583

Fuck. I'm going to play a counts-as game and see if I can figure out how to make it take under 8999 hours instead. Because the idea is cool as fuck but boring the shit out of my opponent is not.

>>50430374
WWWHHHHYYYYY!!!!????!!!!!???

>>50430660
i mean we all need a spider in our mouths now and then anon.

>>50430539
I ran an army that looked something like this last week:

3 Basilisks
Manticore
2 Wyverns
Command Exterminator w/ 2 battle tanks
2 meltavets

Played against 30k Space marines. He got stomped. Even without the Emperor's Wrath Artillery Company (the reason I bought the models) that much ordnance can turn the map into a parking lot fast. He neglected to bring drop pods and without any way to attack my backline he gut buried.

In short, barrage and blast templates can win you a battle if you can keep the shooting units alive. Even Land Raiders (or a Spartan Assault Transport, in the case of that battle) won't stand up to the rain of pain an artillery-focused Guard army can shit out.

>>50430660
I warned you that she was a cute gril who did disturbing things, but you clicked on that gif anyways.

>>50430618
Gotcha. And while we're on the topic of dark eldar, Scourges are the current hotness these days in regards to anti-vehicle? I used to run triple Ravagers, or swarms of jetbikes (18 of them). Does inability to give incubi grenades at all now really make them useless as assault units?

And mandrakes don't suck ass anymore? I haven't played my dark eldar since 2012.

>>50430361
What list maker are you using.

>>50430552
Thanks. What choice should I take for the heavy weapons team in my HQ? I've went with a missle launcher, but from a more fluffy perspective I'd like to go with mortar, but I don't know if a mortar is a good choice or not.

>>50430691

http://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator

>>50430621

That's actually a good idea, thanks anon.

>>50430678

Thanks as well. I imagine the effect is even better when your blast templates stay around as a dangerous terrain blob for one turn just to fuck with the other guy.

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>>50430683
Not him but I actually blindly clicked on it without checking the filetype. >mfw

>>50430691
>it's asked literally every thread
This is why we ask for it to go in the OP, guys. Not because it's good, but because it's pretty enough that everyone keeps asking. >tfw I was the guy who originally pushed Marines Anon to post the site I have to atone for my sins
http://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator

The only problem with https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator is that it doesn't have any FW armies

How am i supposed to quickly draw up a Heretic + Renegade list for /tg/ to review?

>>50430685

>Scourges

There are mixed opinions on this, I like them. Haywire Blaster is superior to Heat Lance because it effectively has almost 3 times as much range.

>Triple Ravagers

Still a good strategy

>Swarms of Reavers

I love this but I only have 9 because they're expensive as fuck. Reavers are some of our best units.

>Incubi

Haven't run them so can't say for sure but yes people generally say they're fucked due to lack of grenades. I guess it kind of depends what you're running them with, and why?

>Mandrakes

I actually like them now but they still die in 0.5 seconds to anything Ignores Cover. They're mostly good for
>1 cheap trolling units to fuck with enemy target priority (if you aren't taking Blasterborn then you can just run 3 units of 3 infiltrating)
>2 can also shoot GEQs pretty decently and can camp on objectives

All of the retarded "no baleblast until you pain token somehow but the pain token is impossible to get because you have no baleblast" shit is gone lel

>>50430518
> Based NIPPLE marines
Ah it was a glorious battle! It's a shame they did not deploy their free deathstrikes wisely, instead trying to use them on singular targets. For Corax and the Emperor!

>>50430749
Yeah, it was pretty bad when they get a free guard army and orbital death strikes and still can't catch us in points. It was amazing.

What a good weapons to put onto crisis battle suits?

>>50430742
One of the most memorable matches I had versus the ork player was fielding all 18 of my bikes. Unfortunately I lost because he completed his week-long secret project of mechanizing his orks. My arrival shattered their local meta since I was the only one with vehicles (I had been told that dark eldar were worthless without their flying cardboard boxes). I ended up forcing the mechanization of the ork player.

I used to use my incubi to carve up MEQs and non-TT/SS termies, or Crisis and Broadsides. But now that cover saves are handed like candy AND I can't even use PGL's to make up for the lack of grenades, I'm wary of using them. A shame, since I loved fielding them in a Drazhar lead army. I even kitbashed that Drazhar.

C'mon GW, just give Incubi their tormentor's rules already and make them count as assault grenades. Or cancelling Overwatch. Or both.

>>50430539
Actually anon that os exactly how I play. DG in 30k can also play like so with fun chem weapons. I'll post my list when I'm home

>>50430712

If you're going to be investing into more guard, don't.

The mortar is bad for two reasons:

First, it only performs well against GEQ and worse, since it uses a small blast with mediocre strength and poor AP. A densely packed squad of Space Marines will likely only take one unsaved wound, and TEQ, MC's, and vehicles walk through it like it's not there.

The second reason this is bad is because a LOT of other Guard stuff does that job. Rank-Firing lasguns can deal with crowds without having to invest the extra points and lack of mobility for a weapons team, and the Wyvern does better than an entire squad of mortars for an almost nonexistent increase in cost.

As far as heavy weapons go, here's your lowdown:
>Conscript Tier
Mortars, for reasons already stated. Heavy Bolters fall here too, since they're outclassed by other weapons for the same cost and appear on almost every vehicle in your motor pool.
>Trooper Tier
The Missile Launcher. It's a Jack of All Trades, Master of None. The Frag round has the same problems as the Mortar, and the Krak round underperforms against vehicles due to poor AP compared to other, more dedicated AT weaponry.
>Kasrkin Tier
The Autocannon. It's better than the Heavy Bolter against literally everything except GEQ, and as I already mentioned you have other weapons to do that job anyway. Unlike the Missile Launcher it uses rate of fire to deal with crowds instead of blasts, and hits at S7, which turns any infantry into paste once they fail their save - and at AP4, most of them will. And unlike the Heavy Bolter, it also works against vehicles.
The Lascannon. There's a reason Space Marines use it all the time. It hits like a train, can oneshot vehicles, and has great range. What's not to like?

Depending on what you want your HWT to do, you'll probably go for one of these two. If you're having your CCS sit out in cover instead of a Chimera, kitbashing or proxying a Master of Ordnance isn't a bad idea either.

Can anyone tell me how long The Devil You Know and Dead In the Water are (both audio dramas by Sandy Mitchell)?

Going on a road trip soon but Black Library doesn't mention their length like newer dramas.

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New Tau anon here and this is the list i drew up in like 20 minutes. Do me a favor and tell me what i did wrong.

>>50430865

About 1 hour 20 minutes each.

Dead in the Water is the better one if you're torn between choosing.

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>It's got to the point where you can no longer have various fluffy units and have a decent list
I hate that CSM have no barrage weapons

>>50430821
Put the two of same weapon on each suit in the entire squad
Burst cannons for anti GEQ (But fire warriors cover this)
Plasma rifles for TEQ
Fusion Blasters for Vehicle hunting

If you're going to be bad at JSJing away from melee (like when fighting GSC), consider adding maybe one or two flamers if you have points to spare.

>>50430921
>1475 points
Buy sniper rounds for the Kroot, they make them worthwhile.
Split your Pathfinders into two teams of five.
Drop counterfires on the Broadsides, they really don't get much use out of it. Replace with EWOs.
Don't buy more than two guns for any battlesuit because they can only shoot two. The only exception is throwing on a spare flamer every now and again for free overwatch hits.
The FSC Broadsides probably don't need stims but do what you want.

While not optimal you haven't made any glaring mistakes.

>>50430968
sorry the website freaked out on me and i could only do about that many points before losing it all when i had to refresh. But thank you very much for the input i thought i was going to be berated for using kroot. im trying my best to figure out how to use the support systems.

>>50430685
scourges are great, haywire blasters all round, though heat lances can also work, just takes a bit more work
i usually DS my scourges unless theres tons of LOS blocking terrain
triple ravagers is good, though it is expensive for what you get, especially since you oinly get 2 at full BS when you move
reavers are fucking god tier as long as you neutralize any ignores cover with/near their target, but they will gut most targets they get a charge on, units of 6, cluster caltrops. beautiful objective grabbers in maelstrom, especially turn one when they rock out with a 2+ jink save
incubi are alright, but getting into combat can be a chore, only invest in them as a bodyguard for a succubus, in a venom or raider with a webway portal
mandrakes are good at sitting on a objective in ruins and harassing lighter units that deign to come near but should avoid ever exiting their ruins ever

>>50429846
>people is genuinely surprised that the TS as a codex is weaker than the space wolves aka Kelly's chapter
I told you anons, didn't I warned you?

>>50430921
Bretty gud anon, just going to list out what I'd do with those models
>Don't mix weapons on Crisis suits. Always have 2 of the same, and if you add a 3rd weapon it should be a flamer for overwatch.
>Give the commander Iridium armour for survivability
>Give Kroot Sniper rounds
>Split the Pathfinder squad so you can markerlight two enemy squads a turn
>Drop the Bonding Knife ritual on the Broadsides and Crisis suits. It is useless until the squad gets 4 heads or more.
>Drop Counterfire defence systems too, if you're being charged all you're doing is paying a premium just to spite maybe one extra guy.
>Drop Stim on the Broadsides, Railsides are backfield and it's more cost effective to just buy more troops
>Ion Accelerator on the Riptide, you have enough anti infantry going on.

>>50431082
DAILY REMINDER THAT CRISIS SUITS ARE STRICTLY SUPERIOR ORK NOBZ, IN EVERY CONCEIVABLE WAY
> 22 POINTS
> 3+ Armour
> 2 Attacks base
> Better Leadership
> NO MOB RULE, YOUR DUDES DON'T KILL THEMSELVES
> RELENTLESS
> I2
> BS3

>>50431106
Show me in the codex where Crisis suits can buy klaws, I'd happily pay a premium for squads of motherfuckers with pile bunkers for arms.

>>50431082
Bonding knife ritual is required on all units that can take it in a farsight enclave.

>>50431121
> ONAGER GAUNTLET
S10 fucking melee.

>>50431130
>one attack
>one per army
Try again.

>>50431121
fusion blades are almost strictly better than claws

>>50431121

You are more than welcome to ally in a squad of Nobz with Klaws.

They're 43 points with a 6+ armour save.

>>50431129
That's Enclaves? It's not really using any of the Enclaves advantages at the moment to justify it, especially since the regular codex has better signature systems.

>>50431138
>also one per army
>S8 armorbane not S10
>50 fucking points

>>50431141
>Nobz are worse in every way
>but if you want to do this then you'll have to take Nobz as allies
You didn't think this through, did you?

>>50431148
>Dawn Blade Contingent
Never mind, just noticed that.

>>50431167
>also one per army
>S8 armorbane not S10
That's why I said almost. And yeah, multiple attacks at S8 with armorbane > a single S10 attack.

>>50431148
Yea sorry im trying to build new lists so im not that used to everything it has to offer. Any help to take better advantage of what ever im missing out on would be appreciated

>>50431182
It's also a Commander-only option. Are you trying to tell me a Fusion Blades Commander strictly exceeds the melee ability of a Klawboss?

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>flgs owner is super nice
>carry my codex's and dice in a back pack when I go to play warhammer
>owner let's me use the csm codex until my next pay check as long as I ask and put it back on the shelf when I'm done
>accidently put it in my back pack last Monday and walked out of the store
>don't realise I have it in there till Saturday
>mfw
What should I do
I feel like I'll get into some deep shit if I try to return it

>>50431167

Think what through?

You said

>I'd happily pay a premium for squads of motherfuckers with pile bunkers for arms.

Well, you can. Nothing stops you from allying in some Nobz. People don't do it because Nobz are terrible.

>>50431199
Nobz aren't Crisis with klaws, they're Nobz. If Crisis are superior to Nobz in EVERY way, there should be absolutely no reason why I should ever have to take Nobz, because Crisis should be able to do whatever they can do better.

As it stands Crisis cannot have klaws, so drop this meme, however accurate it otherwise is.

>>50431106
>>50431130
>WS 2 (hitting anything with WS 5 on 5+)
>only one attack
>only one per army

>>50430374
Cute grill with a cute spider. I like it.

>>50431197
Just take it back, explain and apologise you autist
Like as you as get into the store go straight to him

>>50431195
>Are you trying to tell me a Fusion Blades Commander strictly exceeds the melee ability of a Klawboss?
Since he's not limited to footslogging, I'm going to say yes. The commander is the one that can actually reach combat.

>>50431197
bring it back to the store and just tell him you accidentially put it in your back, its the truth. tell him also to put the book in the back of his store and that this will be the book you will pay for.

>>50431197
Return it, anon.

You'll only be in bigger trouble if you don't.

>>50431197
Take it back and apologise, you dolt. If he's as nice as he sounds, he'll understand.

>tfw Imperial Agents coming out
Anons, what if we get to play as Arbites?

Bringing law to the galaxy, one dead Lawbreaker at a time.

>>50431214
>ws2
commanders are ws4 you dolt

>>50430480
Or, buy the hammerhead box and use the leftovers to make the devilish a skyray.

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>>50430539
As promised here's the list I run.

+++ 1846pts/1850pts +++

++ Combined Arms Detachment - 1105pts ++

+ HQ (435pts) +

Chaos Lord (170pts)
Bike (20pts), Burning Brand (30pts), MoN (15pts), Power Maul (15pts), Sigil of corruption (25pts), Warlord

Daemon Prince (265pts)
Daemon of Nurgle (15pts), Power Armour (20pts), The Black Mace (45pts), Wings (40pts)

+ Troops (670pts) +

Plague Marines (175pts)
Chaos Rhino (35pts), 2x Meltagun (20pts)

3x Plague Marines (165pts)
Chaos Rhino (35pts), 2x Flamer (10pts)

++ The Purge Detachment - 741pts ++

+ HQ (75pts) +

Renegade Command Squad (75pts)
Arch Demagogue with Ordnance Tyrant (30pts)

+ Elites (250pts) +

Renegade Chaos Spawn (55pts)
>Lord goes here

3x Renegade Heavy Ordnance Battery (65pts)
Militia Training (10pts), Earthshaker Cannon

+ Heavy Support (316pts) +

4x Renegade Rapier Laser Destroyer Battery (79pts)
Militia Training (10pts), 3x Rapier w/ Additional Crew (69pts)

+ Fortification (100pts) +

Void Shield Generator (100pts) [3x Projected Void Shields (75pts)]

>>50431188
The main draw is to take Crisis suits as Obj Secured troops or to take one of the Eight, but you can't take great advantage of either in the Dawn Blade contingent.

The main differences I can see between this and the regular hunter contingent is

Dawn Blade
>Crisis suits have obj secured
>Get the Earth caste pilot array System for the Riptide
>Killing blow detachment rule (More damaging to secretly predetermined units for one turn)

Hunter
>Don't have to take bonding knife
>Get to take regular Signature systems like Iridium armour
>Coordinated firepower rule (can share markerlights and become more accurate if more units share markerlights)

Dawn Blade feels better if you have a solid game plan and can confidently destroy your priorities each turn. Hunter is more versatile but depends on you laying more Markerlights to work.

>>50431251
>what if we get to play as Arbites?
they're not in the book

Arbites play as a lite version of sisters+inquisition. Bolters, 4+ saves, lots of special weapon carriers in transports and little else. Possibly a token assault unit with shock batons and dogs. Fairly boring.

They're quite interesting in necromunda, which is where you should be playing them.

>>50431277
FSE can't take The Eight individually now. If you want to use one of them you have to use all of them.

Per the errata they can also take relics from the FSE list AND the Tau Empire list, so Fusion Blades + Iridium is a thing that can happen. The same FAQ made it possible for Riptides to take the ECPA again, so it's definitely legit.

If you're playing FSE it's to spam Crisis in a CAD or use the relics. The decurion is only okay.

>>50431285
>they're not in the book
Sadness. Just squat Sisters already and give me my Judge Dredd army.

>>50431277
actual according to the farsight enclave supplement i get to take iridium armour

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>>50431106
Dammit, why is this meme so strong?

>>50431268

Cool, thanks anon! Lots in there to consider, I appreciate you posting it since it contains some stuff I hadn't thought of

>>50431197
Just fucking pay for it

>>50431296
>Just squat Sisters already
I for one, wish this to happen simply to hear the miniscule fanbase's collective REEEEEEEEEEEEs.

>>50431277
Have you not played farsight since this edition? Eight only come together, and FSE can take regular Sig systems.

>>50430862
remind me, did they every clear up the interaction between mortar, master of ordinance, and multiple barrage?

>>50431296
arbites don't really work in the main game

Give me plastic arbites to use in necromunda, though. That's something I want and would pay top dollar for.

>giant mech suits can move 6", shoot all their shit, and move again because MUH TECHNALAGEE
>Deldar ravagers that move more than 6" can only shoot 2 guns

>>50431322
When it turns out that they aren't getting new models and the update is just deleting discontinued models from their list the tears will be delicious.

>>50430320
>what is dreadnaught drop pod
DSing next to WK and staying inside is actually not that bad idea.

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>>50431313
Keen so see what you end up with!

>>50431285
>>50431340
>Bring back Necromunda
FTFY.

>>50431345
I bet you don't use coasters either

>>50431351
well, yeah

They could just dump the old necromunda bulkheads onto the online shop and I'd probably buy a dozen immediately.

>>50431345
That would be boner inducing.

As Khorne is the Lord of Rage, I shall be empowered by their salty tears.

>>50431260
you fucktard said:
>DAILY REMINDER THAT CRISIS SUITS ARE STRICTLY SUPERIOR ORK NOBZ, IN EVERY CONCEIVABLE WAY
> 22 POINTS
> 3+ Armour
> 2 Attacks base
> Better Leadership
> NO MOB RULE, YOUR DUDES DON'T KILL THEMSELVES
> RELENTLESS
> I2
> BS3

dont switch back on the commander coz you lost the argument. commanders are also 85 points

>>50430510
Sadly, severing wounds dont spread. It says "model", not "models" or "unit".

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Grey Knight player, building a paladin squad.

Debating swords versus Halberds

Unit of 5, Daemonhammer, Apothecary, 2 Psycannons, 4 Swords

345 Points

Unit of 6, Daemonhammer, Apothecary, 2 Psycannons, 5 Halberds

410 Points

Are halberds worth their 2 points? Strength 7 with hammerhand seems pretty great.

Also, is the Nemesis Banner worth its cost? I worry that it makes a single model too expensive but it does provide a nice buff for the paladin squad.

Ok anons with your advice i changed up my list to now be a bit better. Now i need to know if i should keep it as a Dawnblade contingent or if i should change it to a normal Hunter contingent.

>>50431405
Depends on the meta and what else you're bringing.

>>50431388
>implying that was me
only commanders can take onager gauntlets, though

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>>50431414
Forgot the image

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>ork player puts nobz in Gorkanaut
>it gets super close to my riptide so I blow it up
>nobz emergency disembark
>next turn
>miss all my shots at the nobz
>nobz kill rip tide with their op armor saves and strength
Orks need to be fucking nerfed
My battle suits shouldn't be able to get get killed by an overgrown retarded piece of fungus
Also fuck my lgs for its house rule of preferred enemy unpainted models
I'll paint them when I fucking feel like it

>>50431444
Frogposters deserve everything bad happening to them.

Space marine chapter themes?
White scars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUCzFFrMM9I&feature=youtu.be

>>50431423
nope, every shas'vre can do aswell (32 points)

>>50431419
That's true of everything, unfortunately it doesn't help me decide on what to do.

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>>50431444

>>50430059
Hold the fucking phone, what comes with a d-fish, pathfinders, stealth suits, a missleside, ghostkill and buffmander?? New bundle??

>>50431444
even if the scenario would be true. the nobs cannot assault in their turn after the gorkanaught blew up in your turn. since its not a assault vehicle (read it up, its true)

>>50431532
actually, the only time they can assault out of it is if it explodes

>>50431532
>reading comprehension

Disembarkation Restrictions
After disembarking, models can manifest their psychic powers and either shoot or Run in
their subsequent Shooting phase, counting as having moved that turn, but they cannot
declare a charge in their subsequent Assault phase. If a unit disembarks from a destroyed
vehicle during the enemy turn, it cannot charge in the Assault phase of its own turn
unless the destroyed vehicle had the Assault Vehicle special rule.

>>50431550
>>50431559
>talking about reading comprehension
>cant fucking read themselves

If a unit disembarks from a destroyed
vehicle during the enemy turn, it cannot charge in the Assault phase of its own turn
unless the destroyed vehicle had the Assault Vehicle special rule.

>>50430411
My local Games Workshop had a policy where all unpainted models were considered to have -1 to all their stats (and their guns stats) for the purpose of apocalypse games.

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So Anons what are you doing with the money you got refunding your 1KS preorders?

Me? Some Black Friday stuff and Christmas presents for friends and family

>>50431583
It appears you can't read
>anon blows up Gorkanaut
>next turn happens
>riptide fires weapons at disembarked nobz
>misses all his shots
>goes onto the ork players turn
>the nobz charge

>>50431631
the nobz cannot charge in their own turn after the vehicle blew up in the tau players turn.

read this sentence from the BRB:
If a unit disembarks from a destroyed
vehicle during the enemy turn, it cannot charge in the Assault phase of its own turn
unless the destroyed vehicle had the Assault Vehicle special rule.

for some clarifications : replace "enemy turn" with "tau turn" and "of its own turn" with "ork turn"

>beeing this retarded

>>50431672
They charged him the game turn after the Gorkanaut blew up you illiterate retard

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>>50431620

Getting BoP and building a space wolves army, then perhaps converting some wulfen by removing their weird legs for some armored legs.

>>50431691
>still beeing not able to understand the fucking rulebook text

>the tau destroy the vehicle in their turn
>orc turn comes up, they cannot assault in their turn because its not allowed unless it is a assault vehicle/open topped
>another tau turn happens
>orc player is at his turn again. NOW he can charge.

>>50431620
Why pre order if you give a fuck what their rules are?

>>50431715
Which is what happens in the story.

>>50431620
i am happy with them and i spend 550€ on it

>>50431715
When I said game turn I meant game turn not player turn you illiterate hick

Also
>beeing

>>50431692
You too. >>50431726

People bitching about 1KSons not being Eldar level OP bullshit.

God forbid we actually have fun games.

The only reason people aren't happy with this hobby is themselves and the people with whom they associate.

People forget that 8th Edition is coming and there will be a lot of changes.

Pick an army you like overall, not because it's powerful now. Rules change.

>people who actually used Thousand Son models are happy with the update and new models
>csm players who never took them because 1d4chan said they're bad are unhappy with them not eldar level

>>50431756
It's disingenuous to imply that there aren't any flaws with 40k as a game.

>>50431726

To be fair, their points cost is absurd.

>>50431778
Yes, but why pre-order before you know the rules if you're going to change your mind once you find out the rules are bad?

It doesn't make any sense.

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>>50431756
People seem far too obsessed with the official rules, they forget that the beauty of the hobby is that you can make your own rules, like this.

>>50431776
All games are flawed. Most of the flaws can be fixed by acting like a decent human being and playing with other nice people.

I play 40k over Warmahordes because those people are way too far in the other direction.

I watch them play games and they insist on using flat "terrain" so that it doesn't interfere with placing models or making tactical decisions.

I'd rather play an imperfect game like 40k that focuses more on fun, narrative campaigns than a game that focuses more on "HARDCORE TOURNAMENTS"

You're never going to get balance. War is asymmetrical. If winning is really that important then choose Eldar and call it a day.

>>50431809
>I watch them play games and they insist on using flat "terrain" so that it doesn't interfere with placing models or making tactical decisions.

Is this like the person I saw in here objecting to lots of terrain because it stopped them shooting and slows down the game?

>>50431809
Games may be flawed, but that isn't an excuse to not try and then make me pay for it.

>>50431819
The way war machine players are obsessed with competitive play, they don't even need models. They can (and often do) just use blank bases to represent a particular model.
It's so far in the other direction from 40k that I wonder why they even bother with models at all.

If you look at modeling, converting, and painting as a chore - chances are I don't want to play against you because it's a pretty clear indication that you care about winning more than playing.

>>50431827
They obviously do try, they just aren't doing what YOU want. That's what you're really saying isn't it? That you're unhappy with the decisions the game designers made.

>>50431853
Myself and the people I play with. At this point we don't even use GW's rules at all, as they actively work against having a fun game.

>>50431853
Not him, but yes I think Games Workshop's game designers are assclowns who don't know what their doing, and make rules more based on tradition than what would be fun to play as or against.

Basically I'm playing homebrew for another 5 years, but at least the models are nice.

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>>50431844

>>50431756

GSC had actually given me hope that GW's rules writers had turned a corner, which in turn gave me hope that 8th Edition might not just fix my Orks, but also the game in general.

TSons shows that this was a completely unfounded belief and that the rules writers are their same old inconsistent self. On the one hand they continue to shaft Thousand Sons players because they don't understand how the game they wrote works, and on the other hand give Codex Daemons the most broken unit to exist in a game that already has plenty of contenders for that title.

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>>50431844
I enjoy modeling, I love converting, and I enjoy playing the game.

However I view painting as a chore. I'm not terrible at it, but not great either. I get complements on my models, but I think it's just people being nice. Either way I'd rather spend more time kitbashing and hacking up plasticard into armor plates.

>pic related my two most recently painted models

>everyone bitching about rules

>in 4-5 months time, everything changes

There's not even going to be scatter dice.

>>50431907

That's a bit of a long shot, mass spawning warp charges aren't Wraithknight level broke.l

Hell, in the same book Magnus is far more broken.

>>50431922
Anon, stop fishing.

Dudes, what was the name of those 40k booklets that had a blueish-green cover with gold corners? I need the cover but cant find it :(

Rule number 1 of wargaming is don't be a dick.

You're playing this game with another person who is taking time out of their day to play a game with you. Your objective should be to make the experience enjoyable for both of you. If you make a list with the intention of "oh boy I can't wait to table the poor son of a bitch" stop, start over.

>>50429932
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>>50431853
Dude, lots of the new GW stuff is clearly not playtested. This is inexcusable.

>>50431976
What exactly did you want? Play testing how?

I play Grey Knights and Blood Angels. I love assault armies even though assault is much worse than ranged combat.

What did you want from them?

>>50431907
A friend and I have planned a 1500pt game of Thousand Sons vs Genestealer Cults in a week's time - I'll let you know how it goes.

>>50431943

Units that generate more units are inherently powerful, because you get points for free. High points cost might negate that, but that hasn't been the case thus far.

Brimstone Horrors however are completely ridiculous. 3 points for a 5++ save Objective Secured pseudo-Fearless model is utterly bonkers.

Comparing Wraithknights to Horrors of any variety though isn't an even comparison. Both help you win the game, just in different ways. The Wraithknight is an underpriced heavy hitter that can delete anything in the game. Horrors generate you the psychic fuel that you use to win the game, and sit on objective points for you, which also wins you the game. Both excel in different ways, both are broken, I just feel that Horrors are more broken than Wraithknights.

>>50431990
Expect the new edition to have a reserves/summoning system like in AoS.

Do Space Marine jump packs fit on the MKIV or MKIII kits? They look similar enough.

>>50431982
As in get together groups of experienced players to play with the rules before you print them, and then see what works, what doesn't work and what works too well.

>>50432010
they do

I accidentally dropped into this general from my regular general where are the anime shitposters in this general?, but I figure I might as well ask while I'm here, are you guys only about the wargame, or do you sometimes talk about RPGs like Dark Heresy, Only War and Rogue Trader?

>>50431928
i cant tell if you actually think this or if you're trolling,. can you clarify

>>50430410

As other anons have said your choices really are the Grotesquery, Dark Artisan or Corpse thief.
I've just finished building my grots and have a 1750 tournament coming up I'm going to run them in so I'll reserve judgement but they never let me down pre-coven supplement.
Dark Artisan is awesome especially with Web way to pinpoint it, make sure to position the cronos up front so he tanks the wounds, his ap 3 flamer is very nice when landing too.
Corpsetheif I find a little clumsy but it definitely makes a huge distraction and can win you some decent points in games, as I say the biggest benefit you'll find is that your reavers/venoms/raiders will get ignored in favour of this 600 point beast.

Scourges with haywire are awesome when you don't have to foot slog them across the board or they don't mishap every time you try and deepstrike, I'll get back to you on that one. For an additional 20-30 points you get 6 reaver jet bikes, 2 heatlance/blasters and d12 caltrops worth of str 6 hammer of wrath, that barring ignores cover have much higher survivability. I love the models though so I'll find a way to make them work

>>50432043
There's a separate general for the RPGs.

>>50432054
I actually think this.

>>50432031
neat, thanks

>>50432063
Thanks anon, I'm actually retarded.

>>50430961

Don't they get access to some through forgeworld?

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>>50432043
Don't worry we are around

>>50431774
Thank you Mr. Kelly.

now go and stay go

>>50429930
>ETTSD
who

>>50432244
Text to Speech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR8Six9qpcA&list=PLyiDf91_bTEgnBN0jAvzNbqzrlMGID5WA

Aka effective canon

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Hey guys, in a few weeks I'll be getting my first models, I'm going to go Imperial Fist Space Marines, I know this thread pretty much gets bombarded with players seeking advice, and I was wondering if pic related is a good way to get started rather then buying a "Start Collecting" box.

>>50432289

Terminators and landraider aren't used much at the moment because of balancing making them weak choices, everything else looks fine especially if you make those marines into sterngard or something.

Everything in the box will be fun to craft and paint (drop pods are super fun) so go wild buddy

So i'm looking to get an allied Deathwatch force for my SM custom chapter, i'm getting 2 boxes of the Kill Teams and 1 Librarian in Power Armour. Already got a Drop Pod for them to ride in.

Now, how should I kit these out? I'm torn between:

Mixed Squad: 4 Boltgun/Power Swords, 3 Shotgun/Power Mauls, 1 Sarge with Boltgun/Xenophase and a Blackshield with Heavy Thunder Hammer, or...

Full Melee: 4 Power Sword/Hand Flamer, 4 Power Maul/Storm Shield, Blackshield with Heavy Thunder Hammer, Sarge with Hand Flamer/Xenophase.

I'm very open to changing these, that's just what I had so far. The rest of my chapter is *very* melee-focused and has a tonne of Jump Pack Infantry and Librarians (enough for every squad I own in 5000pts to have one attached), if that helps with context.

>>50432289
Unless you are completely sure about this, a Start collecting would be better imo. Its easy to get overwhelmed with such a Big box, speaking of experience

>>50432344

Sorry, that should be 3 with Maul/Shield, not 4. Can only take 9 with the attached Libby.

>>50429913
>score 8.5 on dakka dakka

Im ded

>>50432333
>>50432345

Thank you both, I'm not worried about getting overwhelmed, I've spent a lot of time thinking about this, originally I was going to play Tau but I like the look of the SM more, even though some of the models are underpowered in the meta, they'll still look nice on parade at least.

Also, I'm lucky to have friends that brought me into the hobby, the two biggest players are an Imperial Guard and a Dark Mechanicus player, though, we do have someone who plays Orks but he doesn't have his Codex yet nor has he painted up the models, long story short, I have people who can physically teach me some of the more difficult aspects of the hobby.

Once again, thank you both.

>>50431798
That's great if you just play with your friends and they're into that level of house rules. I don't think that's the norm for most people though.

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I've got my 2nd game with my Khorne Daemonkin army against iron fists. The only models I have are:
1 chaos Lord with plasma pistol and power maul
8x bezerkers with rhino
8 cultists
8 bloodletters
Hellbrute from DV
Magnetised forgefiend or maulerfiend.

How can I not tabled /tg/?

>>50432550
More dogs and bikers

>>50432560
That's the plan long term but with the models I have is there any way I'm not fucked for tonight?

>>50431297
>>50431324
>>50431293
>Suddenly realizing that my Tau friend hasn't played any 40k games since before Mont'ka.
>Realizing we're all feeling the grinding change of working
Fuck, real life sure snuck up.

>>50432568
Use cover

How much better is the game if everyone doesn't spam metal bawkses?

>>50431424
>2 squads with Markerlights
Dawn Blade it is, Hunter contingent will be missing out once your pathfinders die.

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hey fa/tg/uys, judge my army plox

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>>50431296
>>50431322
>>50431345
>>50431367

>the last thing you see when sister release

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>>50432606
Looks like a decent list to me. Is it for a fun game, or a competitive game?

Also, what army building program did you do that list in, or is that something you made yourself. Looking for a new army builder after the Battlescribe creator went full homo... Never go full homo.

>>50432606
gimme a link to this please

>>50431232
This.

How do I get into Warhammer?

My only experience with it is Warhammer: Invasion and some vidya I played with my previous roommate.

>>50432678
Have a look at the armies, see what you like the look of, read up on them, get a codex for it, buy models.

>>50432678

Decide what models you like the of.

Buy a copy of the 40k 7th edition rule book, templates, dice and a codex box for the army you have chosen.

Buy a start collecting box for said army. If one does not exist, buy a hq and two troop choices.

Buy a set of clippers, a modelling knife, plastic glue.

Buy a few brushes. Usually a medium size dry brush, a medium base brush, and a small brush for fine details.

Get the basic paints you need, and watch some painting tutorials on YouTube. This will give you an idea of how many paints you'll need, as well as some basic skills.

Then go and have fun.

>>50432472
Dark Mechanicus? Does he just use the Admech books or has he converted everything? Been thinking about adding some Chaos to my Admech.

Also termies and a Land Raider really aren't too bad against stuff like Orks and Guard, both fairly/really low tier codexes. SM are top tier, you can afford some suboptimal choices.
Against Admech, don't even bother with the LR or Termie squad though. They'll crunch them both quicker than than they will a 10 man tactical squad. Can't really recommend anything else, since I don't play Space Marines, but if you know what the Admech guy was using in his games I can tell you what level of power you'll need to fight him.

What chapter were you thinking of painting/playing, anyway? They have rather different playstyles.

>>50432750
Dark Mechanicum, thank you. Not Mechanicus.

>>50432655
>>50432659
sure thing compañero, it is a web aplication but i really like battlescribe better

http://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator

>>50432789

Thank anon. Much appreciated.

>play the army you like the look of, they said
>it'll be fine, they said
>favorite armies thematics wise are Tyranids, Orks, DEldar
>never win
>ever

>>50432874
Maybe its just me that i cant play for shit, but i got lots of fun games where i had my ass handed by nids and orks.

also the dark eldar are pretty good, you just need to understand how to play them.

>>50432874
>Build DE models
>Use Corsair rules since the Duke isn't around anymore
Easy fix, but as an old archon i feel you pain

Do Hellhounds and Sentinels have a place in IG armies? I want to make a fully mechanized guard army revolving around chimeras, vets, kasrkin in valkyries, hellhounds, a lot of sentinels, and a few russes

Also, are bane blade variants better or macharius variants? I'm eyeing a macharius vanquisher or a hellhammer

>>50432894

Sentinels are a pretty good way of packing heavy weapons into an aggressive mech list. Hellhounds can be situationally great. Magnetize both of them so you can switch weapons.

>>50432889

>understand how to play them
>just take 20 Talos xDxDxD

>>50432916
almost as bad as the "nids aren't bad" faggots

>just take 20 flyrants!

>tfw abandoning the concept of even trying to be competitive
>tfw fielding units you'd never field before
>tfw said units are fun as hell

Why did I never try Death Company Dreads or SangGuard before.

>>50432750
Imperial Fists.

He uses a lot of Imperial Knights which he has converted, heavily mechanised, no Skitarii infantry to my knowledge but he has a few Dunecrawlers and other AdMech vehicles and such unconverted, the only thing converted are the Knights I believe, he also sprinkles in a few Daemons, I don't have a good understanding of the Tabletop Rules so I'm not sure if he is allowed to do this.

IG dude is almost the polar opposite, five platoons of men relying on swarm tactics, he's the dude who would try and outnumber Tyranids, he has Knights, though not as many as DMech dude.

Our player base has been planning a massive get together where everyone brings everything, its certainly going to be fun watching the Imperium arm wrestle with Chaos while the united Xenos cower in the corner(we only have about two Xenos players who actually have models)

Ok, I'm probably getting a Baneblade variant of some kind to add to my armies come Christmas.
Thing is, I've never magnetised a model before, and I would like to get as much as possible out of the model, given that it's a tad expensive.

Is magnetising models a simple enough process?
I can follow a YouTube tutorial as well as the next man, but I'd like to know if I am likely to horrifically maul my first ever Superheavy if I screw it up at all.

>>50432916
did i ever said you should play like that? i dont even have a single fucking talos.

but yeah, its not my fault if you play with autistic waacfags who play an army of just one unit.

>>50432958
Sorry, let me fix it

>just take 20 Venoms xDxDXD

How do I take an allied Skitarii detatchment, when they don't have HQs?

What will Cadia do about the space wolves refugee crisis? I, for once, do not want those smelly unwashed barbarians on my planet.

>>50432996
Take the skitarii maniple in their rule book

>>50430371
>FATMAN
Needs rollerskates.

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I got a thousand son lore question, ok so everyone knows ahriman casted the rubric of ahriman to stop all mutation on his fellow brothers but doing so made all non psykers turn to dust in this armor. so my question is, if this stopped all mutation then why da fuck does the exalted sorcerers of the thousand sons have mutation?

>>50432874

>play Deldar and Nids
>win as much as I lose
>take lists I like rather than WAAC even though my friends are all WAAC fags
>you just need to git gud

>>50433029
Those mutations are beneficial mutations granted by Tzeentch I would assume

>>50432961

Gunboats are viable now anon, get with the times. Also the list of non use able models isn't that big if you know what you're doing with them.

What else did you expect? You play MSU armies

>>50433044
hmm i guess so

>>50433029
He stopped geneseed mutations.

Also

>why isn't a spell cast by a mortal strong enough to stop mutations from the literal god of magic?

GEE I FUCKIN WONDER

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>>50433088
don't get your panties in a twist

why haven't the formations leaked yet?

why are there literally people who already have the most anticipated thing in forever and they haven't leaked it?

do they not understand how much (You) they'd rake in?

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>Anon please don't use Necron Decurion or Canoptek harvest or Destroyer Cult
o-ok, will you not be using Chapter Tactics or formations either?
>Of course I will, what are you some waacfag?

>>50433116
People wanted Wrath of Magnus to play Thousand Sons. They got the book and realized that it did fuckall to actually make Thousand Sons even remotely viable, so they lost all interest. Better that we unprivileged masses harbor hope for a few more days than have our dreams dashed upon the rocks.

>>50433136
Well, not a same thing. If you exclude some marine units then space marines are pretty fluffbunny-tier army.

>>50433116
They have leaked. Go find them.

>>50433141
People who want to play TSons are loving this, you're wrong.

>>50433136
Chapter Tactics are an innate rule. Asking him not to use them would be more analogous to asking you not use Reanimation Protocols.

The formation thing is likely kinda bullshit, but it's entirely possible that he's running really shitty formations/load-outs that would still result in a fun game.

As usual, the answer is to act like an adult and talk to your opponent about your and his concerns and find a mutually satisfactory solution.

>>50433141
>They got the book and realized that it did fuckall to actually make Thousand Sons even remotely viable

idk man magnus looks like wraithknights on steroids

>>50433147

>People who want to play TSons are loving this, you're wrong.

Until they get to the tabletop and are brutally whipped around again and again with their wincingly expensive units.

>>50433156
Problem is Magnus is TOO good and no one in their right mind will let you actually run him, so he might as well be deleted outside of fun fucking around apoc games.

Everything else that's left is super expensive points-wise, and entirely reliant on randomly generated psychic powers. You need to be playing a 2500 point game before you can even use the one of the Formation special rules for the core Formations in the Decurion.

>>50433147
There have been multiple people in these threads who already own Thousand Sons lamenting the fact that baseline Thousand Sons are still as hideously overpriced and ineffectual as ever. Scarab Occult aren't that much better either. Their shooting is okay, but their melee is pretty pisspoor for the price-point.

>>50433136

I play a marine player who is exactly like this. It sucks, but you meet people like this anywhere you go.

>>50433172
No, they aren't that bad. They're solidly mid tier.

>>50433180
Very small minority.

>>50433178
>Magnus is TOO good,
Tell that to the D

>>50432874
>play the army you like the look of, they said
>it'll be fine, they said

I love Mechanicus. And Admech-affliated Knights who are little more than brainwashed cyborgs.

So I play War Convocation. And thus, i have no friends.

IA14 when I want to play again!

>>50433178
Post your battle report proof plz

>>50433200
its pretty hard to D him out of the sky.

>>50433180
>pretty piss-poor for the price point
Nice alliteration bro

>>50433192
>Very small minority.
According to you. We'll see what the minority opinion is once people start sitting down and realizing that Thousand Sons still can't do jack-shit on the table despite their exorbitant cost.

>>50433141
I wasn't disappointed with what we have seen so far. But then, I'm not a competitive player, and neither are the people I play against.

I can understand why some people would be upset, though.

>>50431496

FAQ screwed using Force and Hammerhand together.

Bring halberds.

>>50433146

>My formations are fluffy, but yours aren't!

Don't be a massive faggot.

>>50431444
No KEK, you are the bait.

>>50432512
I actually often get away with using my own rules for pickup games with strangers, even in official GW stores.

The fact that I always bring a 30k Mechanicum army as an alternative might have something to do with that though.

>>50431692
If you remove their legs, can you send them to me please?
Providing you are UK.

>>50433270
Decurion or Canoptek harvest or Destroyer Cult are Necron cheese. If necron cant bring them, SM cant bring their cheese either. Both can bring they shitty formations and have a blast.

>>50433284
Yeah, people are a lot more amenable to playing CSM with some minor tweaks when the alternative is a Warpflame Host with FMC support.

>>50433303
>If necron cant bring them, SM cant bring their cheese eithe

That was the entire point being made.

>>50432606
Put in in a format that's not a pain to read and I will.

>>50433313
...Oh, true. Fuck I've been up for almost 40 hours now this is unhealthy.

Time to design some Rough Rider lists!

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>tfw can't decide between Necrons or Admech

>>50433323
That's not hard to read, Anon.

>>50433351
Check your privilege, able-minded scum.

>>50431345
I'm a SoB player and I like the cut of your jib.

>>50433363
Are you even trying? Welcome to /TG/ newfag

>>50429846
pleasse some one explain to me, Chaos Traitor Legions rules will come on the wrath of magnus book? or is another book coming out?

>>50433447
>mad obvious joke
>/TG/
>calling others newfags

no john you are the newfags

>>50433526
>falling for the /TG/ gag
>Getting mad over obvious bait
>calling others newfags
First time getting trolled? :^)

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Shame i'd never play it

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>>50433566
You sure got me xDD

>>50433566
>>50433526
>>50433447
>>50433363
https://youtu.be/m2ZQxEzqA5s?t=76

>>50433645
This is now a cringe thread

>>50433136
I got this from a necron player.
>only want to place three pieces of terrain tops
>asks me not to bring my stompa or gaz in 1850pt or higher.
>asked me not to bring flyers
>shows frustration when i want to roll for witch direction we fight(long way vs shot ways)
>insists we play long way

I finally won a game when I place a avrage amount of terrain on the table.

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Why is your legion better than mine /tg/?

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>>50433700

Because my legion has Renaissance Space Jesus.

Any word on how much the Relics and new weapons cost for Thousand Sons? Trying to figure out how much kit I can throw on the Scarab Occult at 1000 points and whether the Astral Grimoire is viable at that point level.

>>50433694
Who is he to you?
Friend
Educational peer
Colleague
Random guy in a GWS / FLGS?

If it's the last one, just don't play him any more.
You can tell him why and he can falsely accuse you of being a sore loser. Or you can just say you'd rather not and save yourself hassle.

Doesn't sound like he's worth playing unless he's close to you, you have to put up with him in your daily life or he's the only other person who is local to play warhammer with.

>>50433716
All your sons are crazy mutants and should be exterminated. Next!

>>50433672
Well I must say that was an epic first post right their!
Truly cringey!

>>50433700

>The actual arch heretic who ruined the Galaxy because he couldn't handle not being a chosen scion of the gods

What a whiny piece of fuck.

What's the deal with the Wolves Wolfs? Are they Fenris only or would it make sense for a Successor chapter to have some too?

>>50432951
Ok then, the Skitarii medium infantry excel at their jobs, but without those he will have a very low model count on the whole. Bring big guns and anti-tank, and try to focus on eliminating one or two units per turn. If you have to, throw some Tactical squads at the Knights and try to tie it up for a turn, but since on average you have a 45℅ chance of breaking after the Knight chops at you don't rely on it.
He is allowed to add daemons, but he has to deploy 12" away from them and if his units are within 6" of a demon or vice versa, he has to roll a die at the start of turn. On a 1, that unit can't act for the turn.

Dunecrawlers are badass, they are the best anti-aircraft in the game and pack some nasty lasers.
Fairly squishy in a group of one or two, shoot them first.
Imp Fists are great vs swarms, add a Whirlwind and just Bolter them down.
Be warned that yellow is the hardest colour to paint, so be prepared for a few messed up tactical marines or a LOT of time spent perfecting the colours.

>>50433737
SW cannot into successors.

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pleasse some one explain to me, Chaos Traitor Legions rules will come on the wrath of magnus book? or is another book coming out?

>>50433743
Why not? Every chapter has to provide gene seed samples as tithe to the High Lords.

>>50431907
>GSC had actually given me hope that GW's rules writers had turned a corner,

wew lad

>>50433764
Yeah and SW geneseed only works on people from Fenris. Look up the wolf brothers if you'd like to know more.

>>50433763

Another book.

>>50433771
People have been shillposting about how Rowntree is going to fix everything for over a year now. It's not surprising that people actually drank the Kool-aid.

>>50433723
He's a friend and he wants to play atleast one time a week. Now that we play at my house on my table we play by my rules witch I only follow the book. The last game we had I think it made him see that a close game is more fun. He'll learn with time.

>>50433723
>>50433694
Other you could play him at his own game with the longest range guns you have.
>double CAD, big meks with force fields, shokk attack guns, minimum slugga squads with big shootas
>outflanking minimum sized squads of kommandos with rockets/burnas for anything hiding backfield
>dakka jets with super shootas for fast attack
>lootas and mek gunz everywhere, kustom kannonz, lobbas, traktors if he tries to bring a flyer
>everything in your army has at least a 36" range
>play long with no terrain

If I want to get into Skitarri/admech where do I go after getting the start collecting pack. (Also not that guy who can't make up his mind.)

>>50433772
The problem here is that the Wolves have some cool units but I think their colour scheme is arse.

Wat do.

>>50433829

Make your own successor.

>>50433829
Wolf Lords have a good deal of autonomy. Create your own reason as to why your guy changed their paint job. Honouring a victory or a mighty deed got drunk and lost a bet. Maybe someone who knows the SW fluff better might even know an example of this.

>>50430146
No, it's not true. In the old rules Khorne was the only god they could get marks from, in Storm of Iron there is a heavily khornate IW dude with his company of berzerkers, and IW went down the path of a lust for blood and giving no mercy assaulting like World Eaters to leave the trench work. So khorne makes a lot of sense.

>Thousand Sons detachment lets each psyker cast one additional power
>all of them are losing their primaris and quite possibly one additional power to the Discipline of Tzeentch
That's not much of a benefit at all.

>>50433700
You don´t know what to expect from us because you don´t know jack shit about us. Hell, neither we know anything about ourselves, mate.

>Thousand Sons Grand Coven
>War Cabal
Thousand Sons (5)- Rhino- 185
Scarab Occult- Additional Mastery Level, Spell Familiar- 290
2x Sorcerer- Spell Familiar, Additional Mastery Levelx2- 140x2= 280
>The Exiled
Ahriman- 230
2x Sorcerer- Spell Familiar, Additional Mastery Levelx2- 140x2= 280
>Tzaangor Warherd
3x Tzaangor- 70x3- 210

Total is 1475. Probably just buy the Missile Launcher for the Scarab Occult. Plan would be to infiltrate the Scarab Occult with a Sorcerer and as many Tzaangor as possible. Cabal Sorcerers ride with their formation units, the Exiled all hide with the Tzaangors unless I Death Star it up with the Scarab Occult.

>>50433825
Select a unit that isn't Electro-priests, Ironstriders, Ruststalkers or Rangers. Buy however many you want. One Ranger squad is good, one Ironstrider is OK (not the Dragoons, those are awesome) only ever get 5 Ruststalkers and 5 Infiltrators max.

Everything else is awesome and fine with most armies. Add a Knight for extra fluffiness.
I love the Admech books in that nearly any unit can be used well apart from Electro-priests if you don't care about power level that much. Electro-priests just suck at everything.