/awg/ - Alternative Wargames General

Heads up, CMON is having a Black Friday sale. Wrath of Kings and Dark Age stuff is about 50% off.

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https://github.com/BSData/ronin

get here your Ronin datafiles for Battlescribe

Gates of antares any good? boromite models look fucking sweet.

>>50399375
From what I can tell, its like 40k, but not as bad.

Sometimes I wonder why there's no Alternative Cardgames General.

>>50400166
because they're all deaddddddddd (and netrunner can usually keep a general)

>>50399459

Never played 40k so I wouldn't know about tat but I like bolt action a lot.

>>50400443
It's kind of like that, as far as I'm concerned with some extra stuff.

>>50400443
Then you'll like it. Its mostly Bolt Action with D10's at its core.

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Welp, there's my boner.

>>50401026

Fucking cool.

Hopefully the other factions get cool centerpiece shit like that.

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Spartan's kickstarter has somehow reached it's goal.

>>50402310
Make a lie big enough and people will believe you.

>>50403081
I'm going to be generous and hope that Spartan turn themselves around and realise that they need to do a better job.

I'm not going to be generous enough to back.

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Anyone have any experience with Anvil Industries? Their upcoming SF trencher stuff looks cool but I'd like to know what sort of quality to expect.

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>>50403177
Bretty gud. They are flash free, tho there are some mouldlines that need to be removed, but detal is excellent, and they are really enjoyable to paint.

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This might overlap with /osrg/, but if you like old grogs who've been playing fantasy for decades, https://chirinesworkbench.blogspot.co.nz/search/label/game%20photos is absolutely worth a look. The first couple of posts in that link are a Tekumel Sakbe Road, and not terribly inspiring unless you're into that kind of thing, but the accompanying writing talks about a wargame. Other posts (and stuff outside of the photos category) are pretty great though.

He talks a lot about Braunstein-style games he's run - https://chirinesworkbench.blogspot.co.nz/search/label/Braunstein

Braunsteins are kind of the immediate ancestor of D&D, being multiplayer wargame scenarios with players taking specific roles. From https://chirinesworkbench.blogspot.co.nz/2014/07/essay-on-braunstein-part-second-for.html, for instance:

>You are:
>The Temple Guards from the Temple of Serqu's war god, Lord Karakan

>You have miniatures:
>A dozen human guards in red and gold armor, and several magic users who can cast spells; use long template for ranged spells.

>You also have:
>One small sailing ship, one longboat; name them yourself.
>A pile of gold for bribing your fellow players.

>Your goal is:
>1. Find the castaways, take them back to your temple, and collect the reward.
>2. Prevent everyone else from rescuing the castaways.

>Your figures move each turn:
>12" per turn in open terrain, 6" per turn in all other terrain, 4" per turn swimming
>Your ships or boats move each turn: 12 inches per turn

>Your Armor class is: twelve
>Your Attack factor is: fourteen

Of course, the fellow players - including the one playing as the castaways - have their own opinions.

>>50403342
Also those spell effect things are little IKEA LED domelight things. They look really good in dim light and darkness.

>>50401026
What the shit is that fuck?

>>50401026
>>50402014
its hideous but so cool as well. Like wtf even is that? Like a giant armoured carpet mite

>>50403505
>>50403511
Some kind of angry lava monster with armour and a crew.

>>50403553
Or just armour and turrets - I thought I saw someone riding her but I'm just sleepy.

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So this came out on pre-order today. Anyone getting it?

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>>50404142
>actualy buying anything from GW
Not gonna happen, even if I love SBG.

>>50404287
>letting a company decide if you buy something or not.
Seriously? Who gives a fuck who the company is if you enjoy the game?

>>50404559
>Who gives a fuck who the company is if you enjoy the game?
You know what GW is, right?

Also, how much is the book? 70, 80, 100GBP?

>>50405274
yes, i've been playing the game since it started in the early 2000's. and the book is £35 a for nearly 200 full colour page hardback.

>>50404559
Not buying from a company because you dislike their business practice is a perfectly valid reason.

>>50405968
>£35
I admit, you caught me off-guard with that.

>>50406020
Remember, the SBG isn't main studio GW anymore. It's a small, in house team in Forgeworld. They're basically working off what the fans want now. Looking forward to the plastic lake town houses in the next week or so.

>>50406097
>They're basically working off what the fans want now
Cheap plastic kits?

Because that's really not what they're doing with the...40GBP for 12 dorfs. Oh how I cry for the times when a box was 15GBP for 24 dudes, sculpted by the Perry bros...

>>50398057

>Mr. Jingles

Mee hee!

>>50406386
you'll never get those back and you know it. and it's still cheaper by about £8 than the finecrap blisters they have out right now.

>>50406386
I remember that the fact that they were super cheap monopose figures with few pieces was a drawing point, especially for newbies. Thankfully recasters and ebay exist.

>>50398057
What game is the clown from?

>>50403563

Someone is riding and controlling it though anon.

>want to get into dystopian wars
>Company makes nothing but dead games anyway

Nope.

>>50408474
Maybe this is just me being thick, but surely theres nothing stopping you playing the game if you can find players right?

So I'm thinking of using the CMON sale to pick up some Dark Age stuff. I was thinking of grabbing a small selection of Kukulkani and Fire Caste stuff for demoing purposes. What would be some good recommendations for someone just starting?

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How would you guys go to make a skirmish system with advancements that has a cool mechanic for resolving both conflict against the other player and against the enviroment?

The most used one I can think of is rolling below your attribute.

How about making one in which you may add risk for a potential reward? Something like SoBaH

Someone in a previous thread was going on about a fantasy battle game that made KoW look clunky and shitty, but I can't for the life of me remember what it was called- I want to check it out
Can anyone help me out?

>>50410018
Hordes of the Things.

>>50403239

+1 Worked for them briefly as an outsource sculptor, their casting is on point. Sculpt wise they are getting better, still not on the level of other companies but pretty high up there considering the other alternatives!

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Does anyone have the updated LOTR Battle companies PDF?

With all the new warbands and all

>>50410018
Lion/Dragon Rampart.

>>50409779
I was at one point toying with the idea of neutral AI for random encounters. It was a simple priority list; if in melee, attack, if not, charge, if can't, move towards nearest model, etc. Had like 3 or 4 different behaviors. But didn't develope it, didn't know if it was too complicated for use every game. That, plus couldn't inspirie myself to work on the game. Kept getting hung up on a few small things.

>>50408474
The new kickstarter *might* kick some life into it but caveat emptor and all that.

Still I think DW is one of their slightly less dead games.

>>50410679
Only because the few of us that like it desperately try to keep it alive in spite of Spartan trying to kill it with lack of models, updates and advertising.

>>50408538

I can find the players but getting more players and dealing with discontinued support is a problem.

>>50401026
Did somebody make a giant monster cream puff and slap guns on it?

>>50408474
I'm thinking of buying two starters, and just using FullThrust rules for the ships. It's actually very good match, aside from no boarding (which is a fucking mess in DW anyway).

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Why hasn't anyone decided to make a wargame involving plastic armymen?
>incredibly cheap & easy to get
>usually standard size (around 1 1/4")
>varied poses & weapons
>vehicles like choppers and tanks add more variety
>only downside I can think of is they're not the best to paint
I'd be down to start one if others can help & contribute.

>>50411854
Because that's everyone's first wargame homebrew.

>>50411854
Not to burst your bubble but I'm fairly sure there exists more than one wargame precisely like what you describe.

Of course, don't let that deter you from making your own.

>>50411854
Several people have.

>>50411937
>>50411985
>>50412035
Oh.

>>50412062
Its actually a good exercise if you're into game designing.

>>50410441
Sounds kind of like Frostgrave.

>>50412062
Don't get too disheartened anon, designing your own game is definitely a good experience to have and you might be able to make a better game than those which currently exist.

>>50409626
Grab starter sets. If one isn't available then make sure to grab a model qith leader or command or whatever that ability is called.

trying again, does anybody here have opinions on Dreadball? (does it even belong here?) (do you happen to have its rules?)

>>50412281
are you italian?your name sounds very italian

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Some photos of new Star Saga models from Mantic Games open day were just released.

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>>50412346
I think that's the guy from Ctrl-Alt-Del on the left there. They have the same haircut at least.

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>>50412346

Ken just wasn't the same after being drafted.

>>50412331
Nope. American born and raised.

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>>50412363

>>50412379
if you don't know, in italian la bamba means the weed

>>50412566
I did not. I got it from the song.

>>50412586
If the internet has taught me anything, it is that any conceivable combination of letters means either 'dick', 'pussy' or 'weed' in some frickin' language.

>>50412226
Kinda. Was working on a sci-fi dungeon crawl similar, but with full warband progression.

>>50412281
I wanted the Shadow starter, but they're still sold out. Shame they couldn't get any more in before the sale.

I'm thinking the Kukulkani starter with one or 2 extra purchases , and then 500~ of Fire.

>>50408413
formerly comfychair's spinespur range, now rebel minis.

>>50414627
It looks like the Fire Caste starter is sold out on their site, too.

For Fire Caste grab a Spirit Lord. They're big and beefy but offer leadership abilities that are super helpful.

Thankfully you can check out all the stat cards online and figure out what will work best for you.

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For a 28mm mini what is the averange size of its base?

>>50415233

Usually 25mm.

Depending on the bulk, they might have 32mm for a Space Marine-sized model, but a standard adult human-sized miniature at 28mm is usually universally based on a 25mm base.

>>50415233
Usually 25mm.

Once the models get to 32mm scale you start seeing more 30mm bases come into play(which I personally like more anyway).

>>50415348
>30mm bases come into play(which I personally like more anyway).
I like those a lot too. I've decided to base my fantasy minis that I use for skirmishing entirely on such bases, and I'm trying to convince myself not to base my Deadzone minis as such, but Iunno, they just look much better.

>>50415348
>>50416589
You mean lipped bases?

I thought they were unnecessary and ugly, or required extensive basing (which is a faff I didn't usually bother with), but then I got into Malifaux - with such a low model count, basing is not a trial and the models look so muchbetter for it.

>>50417608
>You mean lipped bases?
Yes.

>>50411854
>several people have
>YOU DON'T NEED A NEW UNIQUE GAME JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE ARMY MEN, JUST PLAY FUCKING FIVECORE OR YOUR SKIRMISH SYSTEM OF CHOICE, JESUS

>>50406386

The Perrys will never release well priced historical figures of arabs and asians comparable to the Harad and Khand miniatures they made.

Friends, countrymen, Romans!

Tell me about Your Dudes, who are they? What were their crowning glories? Regimental colours? Anything!

>>50398057
Am I crazy, or does that mega link for Frostgrave in the trove go directly to the lich addon? I'm looking for Sellsword. Anyone want to help a new anon out? Just got into miniatures on Friday. Got a Hordes circle of oroboros battlegroup for $11 on sale after I found a local fg league, want to make the human from it my captain.

>>50418979
Used to have a Skaven team for Mordheim that was fucking glorious.

The assassin used throwing stars with all those skills to make them more deadly. More range, 3 stars per turn and a lot of power. Pretty deadly.

Most of the other guys were melee though, not the typical 40 shots per turn skaven warband. The only exception was one of the shittier heroes (don't remember the title exactly) that had become a really competent sniper and used a Hochland Long Rifle. Everyone in the group was afraid of him, because he had good BS and a lot of shooting skills, was known to 1-shot-1-kill everything.

Good times. One of my black skaven had become stupid after failing a check and falling only a few centimeters, getting himself killed and retarded in the process. Mordheim was such fun sometimes.

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Just ordered this. Black Friday (weekend) deal. 20 pounds instead of 70. I would recommend you guys to do the same if you have any interest in it. Even if you don't, you get so much stuff that you can just use them to practice painting or something.

128 page rulebook, 31 minis, metal Kyle Reese model, cardboard terrain, dice etc. It's a great deal at 70 pounds and a fucking no-brainer at 20 pounds.

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Anyone working on anything? I just painted the last Mount for my 150 points of Caprice, ready for a game on Tuesday.

>>50415265
>>50415348
So a bottle lid can work as poor man's minis

>>50418979
I've got so much itxd be hard to go through it all.

Last thing I painted was Hansen's Hunters; my CCC team for MERCS. Their colors make them look like Doomguy, which is okay with me.

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I'm about to grab pic related, am I making a big mistake? I just went for the miniatures I loved, I realise most likely all the forsaken do not belong to the same sub faction.

Also, I am a sucker for fluff & artwork, are the books worth it? Or are the drawings & paintings deviantArt tier?

>>50423613
Nothing wrong with grabbing stuff because you like it.

If you're worried about playability, you got enough for that. Nice thing about Dark Age is the low model count. Mounted Saint Mark is something like 200 pts. out of thr standard 500 pts. alone.

Looking for plastic for early 100 Year War dismounted knights i.e. Crecy (1346) and Poitiers (1356).

>>50423613
stingers are st. luke specific, and flense st. Mary IIRC. Otherwise looks like a good set of Mark/Outcasts stuff

>>50424698
...ok?

>>50424698
28mm

>>50424713

Sorry if I was unclear. Does anyone make a plastic early HYW range in 28mm?

>>50424735
Perry.

>>50418979
I have been inspired to write a narrative-style army list for My latest Dudes:

https://ideaswithoutend.wordpress.com/2016/11/27/heavy-gear-army-backstory-the-mendez-connection-150tv-caprice/

They're a bunch of anti-colonial resistance squatting in an abandoned airport, running out of food and wondering how the fuck they're going to see out the winter given attacking the occupation forces too strongly will invite harsh retribution on civilians...

>>50424492
>>50424705
Thanks anons! Any opinions on the books? Are they worth it?

>>50425816
They're more fluff than anything else, with the semi constant profile updates they've been pumping out. At half off thats pretty good I feel.

>>50425000

None of the Perry plastic range is early HYW. The Agincourt (1415) sets have far too much plate armor.

>>50424698
>>50425957

For historical plastic knights in general you have 2 choices: Perry and Fireforge Games (whose teutonic/templar knights are probably to early for your taste).

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>>50419666

Well Satan since you asked, no I am not.

I would be painting my Forge Fathers for Deadzone but I just have no idea how to paint them.

The official scheme is pretty bland I think.

>>50423613
Pretty nice haul.

I quite dig the mounted Saints. Just make sure you can actually use everything if you plan to play.

If not the models are beautiful and I hear a blast to paint(I suck at painting, so I'm going off what others have said).

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>>50419666
Well, oh Lord of Flies. I'm working on my KoW Elf army since I now have some free time.

I manged to get some Elf stuff for cheap during a black Friday sale.

>>50419629
I haven't bought this and probably won't, but it's worth pointing out that if you just want the dudes, the plastic Resistance Soldiers set is £10 for 16 right now.

I mean you could just pay £20 for that and the rest of the big box's contents, but maybe you just want dudes.

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New render of River Guard Captain for KoW.

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>>50429031
As well as a Wyrmrider hero.

So what's the standard size for Dark Age games: 500 or 750 pts.?

>>50429031
There's something endearing to me about frog men.

>>50429361
I believe it's 500. 750 would be pretty big, and 1,000 would be huge for that game.

>>50429828
The elite nature of the Fire Caste is driving me nuts, so much I want to cram in a list, but no space for it all.

>>50429985
That's sort of how Ice Caste feels, too. Thos big guys are baller, but they eat up points real fast.

Thing is; those big guys are durable as fuck. They can take a beating and just keep truckin' on

>>50430046
I look at Rath'Zhi's card and drool, but fuck, 200 pts. is a lot out of 500.

I'm also looking at Kukulkani, but can't decide to go ritual heavy or just bash face.

>>50430187
200 points? Holy shit.

Also the dark age site is just not mobile friendly.

>>50430229
That it is not.

He's a beast. Has Rage with 4 health, can reach PW 14 on his weapon when he's down to one HP left. He's best with a lot of Truebloods, his Arbiter once-per-game ability is that all Truebloods can re-roll one attack roll when they charge for the turn.

>>50430046
>>50430046
Just put in an order for 2 500 pts Dark Age lists.

Fire Caste:
>Rath'Zhi
>Soul Warden
>Volcanic Phalanx
>Volcanic Phalanx
>Brimstone

Kukulkani
>War Priest
>Doom Seer
>Living Ancestor
>Tuucha'nak
>Kaachika
>Kaachika

dark age question, how effective are lists that are just basic dudes? like no one with commander and no characters.

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>>50426525
That's my main problem as well, man. My Enforcers follow pretty much the standard scheme, but I'm really not sure about the Forge Fathers. Check some Mass Effect armors, maybe you can find some inspiration there.

>>50430229
too be fair every faction has some big bad these days. It's who has more than one that's scary.

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>>50431640
>tfw you can run a list of a Soul Warden and 2 Greater Elementals in 500 pts. these days

Guys, we're a bit slow - everyone's working on shit or what?

>>50435617
I'm at work.

I posted some My Dudes stuff last night here >>50425601 and will write more tonight, but currently I'm waiting for parcels - some 15mm rocks and terrain shit and my 10mm Orcs.

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I played my first game of frostgrave yesterday, and despite my initial apprehension, I had a ton of fun. I used some cryx satixys models I had while my opponent used a mix of reaper bones and pre-painted and minis. We are already thinking of starting up a store campaign to take advantage of all the campaign rules, but I am looking for ideas to keep everything organized and remove some of the balance issues people have reported with campaigns. Since we have a core group of about 3 players and then another 3 that are semi-reliable, I was thinking of running it with an online reporting system- you and your opponent can play a game whenever you are available during the week and report the results of the game and out of game actions on your own time. Has anyone used this kind of system for other campaign games? Are there pitfalls I should watch out for?

I also have a few frostgrave specific questions.

I would like to implement a turn limit, but with only one game under my belt, what would be a good limit? 6 turns? 10?

Wizard death and experience already seemed like it could skew a campaign unfairly. Does anyone have any good alternate experience rules?

Any other advice for running a campaign? I ran a regular and campaign for years, but that was with a specific group of people, this would be my first time doing organized play at the shop and I wouldn't be managing every game myself of course.

>>50435617
I'm anxiously reading on Dark Age after ordering >>50423613. Hopefully UK customs won't tax it, I might immolate myself if they do.

Any decent videos about Dark Age, apart from the 6 months old series from Beasts of War?

>>50429031
>>50429057
I WANT to give my money to KoW after the WHFB debacle, but with such sculpts I just can't justify it. They are consistently terrible, style wise.

>>50436849
I'm not that much of a fan of their fantasy stuff either...my KoW army is mostly base on Skull Pass dorfs, AoW rangers and MageKnight heroes and some random chinese toys for elementals. Tho their scifi stuff is really great, I like it much more than their fantasy stuff.

>>50435729
How is frost grave? Trying to Decide between mordheim and the former

>>50437253
Not him, but generally speaking Mordheim is more about the whole gang, whereas Frostgrave is all about the Leader/Wizard and all the henchmen are just replaceable. They don't level up and you can't really change their equip.

>>50411854
someone from tg already made one: https://onepagerules.wordpress.com/portfolio/army-men-combat/

>>50437253
Guy with a DW photo here:

Personally I would prefer Mordheim, since I feel there is more room for personalization and granularity. However, I was very happy with the pacing of frostgrave, and felt that there were still great narrative moments, such as my bear mauling his barbarian with a critical hit.

My concerns come from variability and power gaps. The d20 system used, where your roll is used for hitting AND for damage means that your fight value is FAR more important than other stats.

Also, I steamrolled my opponent. If this were a campaign game I would have gained 4 levels on my wizard, and 600 gold+magic items, while he would gain 1/5th of a level. That kind of a difference would put me way ahead of other players, so I would suggest houseruling a smoother experience/treasure curve.

The game is easy to setup and play though, and if you already have some models laying around, I suggest giving it a shot, since it is such a low investment initially.

>>50436849
Guerrilla Minatures does some nice ones. Was just watching one from September, where they were showing a sneak peek of the new Fire Caste cards. Ash's Cabrakan just annihilates the Fire Elemental in one go, I think it was like a wound the first turn from its ranged attack, then second charges in and does 4 wounds on one go. It was brutal.

Beasts also occasionally does them for midweek filler. They just did a short one last week to show off Mongo versus St. Luke on his griffon (I think its Luke, the one with the power armor and hammer).

>>50436849
if you like their rules just buy them, their models are really shitty, not worth supporting over

>>50437570
So frost grave would be better for a one-shot game?

Thanks!

>>50438380
You can play great campaigns with it as well, especially if you use the "Lich" supplement where your Wizards aim to become a powerful lich themselves (or fail horribly).
Its just that the campaign progress "rules" can use some tweaks here and there, but since you usually play campaigns amongst friends it shouldn't be a big deal to agree on some tweaks beforehand.

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DW KS update: They've finally revealed one of the models from the expansion boxes. They're really dedicated to not giving anyone any information, it seems.

>>50437882
Cheers, will take a look at them. And yep, that's St. Luke.

I love St. Joan's model, but absolutely hate the art :(

>>50439115
It's... uh... fucking not quite nothing?

That sure is a Kingdom of Britannia ship.

Realistically I think their best plan would have been to open the KS with "here's all the cool new shit your cash money will fund, look at these renders!

Anyway, I had another go at writing some Your Dudes stuff, this time space assholes with a genetically engineered grunt army...

https://ideaswithoutend.wordpress.com/2016/11/28/heavy-gear-army-backstory-red-sands-western-garrison-cef-line-formation-150tv/

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>>50398057
WTF? Is that Ouchy the clown? He's a total bro!

What do I have to do to get my own miniature?

>>50439115
I'll say this about the DW KS, it sure is making me more interested in Aeronef.

>>50435617

Does it have to be /awg/ related? Other than that I got nothing.

>>50439841
Win Dark Age's Immortals tournament is one way.

>>50439115

They've also thrown together some background pdfs.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/921886974/dystopian-world-expansion/posts/1750226

The most interesting part of that update is the use of "Victorian Super-Science Fiction" instead of Steampunk. Probably the most intelligent decision Spartan has made in the Kickstarter.

>>50439812
Spartans trend of continuing to release small pictures of renders and barely ever official painted miniatures continues.

I think the only way you can find the new official OmniDyne paintjob is to look for reviews done by third parties. I cannot comprehend.

>>50441071
Victorian super-science fiction has been Spartans terminology from the start for DW. As far as I can remember they've never officially called it steampunk, although I could be talking out my arse.
And to be fair, the meat of the Kickstarter, the new 2-player starter box is a very solid offering and got detailed renders swiftly (although why they weren't there from the word go is again baffling)

>>50441187
It used to say steampunk on the official DW page on Spartan's site. I remember looking it up while posting in one of those "Steampunk worst setting" threads that /tg/ love so much.

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>>50398057
One clown isn't enough, you need the full circus.

i just found this ( i think) italian created ww2 skirmish wargame,models look great, but still didn't loom into the rules, thought you might be interested

>>50442446
yes i am retarded
http://www.48storm.com/the-game/

Does anyone play Deadzone?

Do you have to fill out the Hardpoints on a vehicle or can you just use them unarmed?

I suspect you have to buy weapons for them otherwise there's nothing stopping the plague from just running a zombie and mech clobber horde which seems a bit daft.

>>50442446
>>50442461

I've seen this on facebook a while ago, but apparently no store i know stocks it.

>>50442802
are you italia? because from my initial understanding it seems the game is still very small and probalby only some italian shops stock it( i think i read some french talking about becoming a distributor as well), i have no idea on their shipping directly to ccustomer policy as of yet, i just sent them an email.

>>50442996
i'm not, thats why i wonder. The minis look really good actually and the game looks small and fast paced which could be fun.
If you get an answer, just post in here or the next thread. I'll read it.

>>50443020
i sure will, i can't say about the real price,but i found it on an italian online store a pack of three miniatures+rules for the gme for 20 euros,but unfortunately said store didn't have the whole stock(also i found first edtion space hulk and a 2nde edition marines deatachment for sale)

>>50435617
I received my Warzone: Resurrection 2e books and cards today, pretty hype, going to do a battle report/shill article for a few webzines I know.

>>50443146
pls remember to post here, i am vvery hype about warzone too

>>50443146
when can we expect it

>>50442721
I think its dependent on the entry. I'd have to check when I get home, but I think every vehicle entry lists that you must under the options.

>>50443207
>>50443216
Now, HOPEFULLY, I can wrangle a game out of one of my friends this weekend, have a first draft ready that evening and something ready to submit later in the week. So here you can read it in a week or two, blogs and webzines maybe a month or so.

>>50442721
>>50443279
So looking at my copy of the rules, I can't for the life of me find anything that says you have to fill them.

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>>50443146
>>50443207
Not sure if you gents saw this today. Pretty stoked for the Strike Skimmer.

Lots of people bitching about unicast, though, without any experience with it.

>>50444325
I'm a little curious and concerned with how the material will handle conversions and hot water bending, I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. After seeing those single characters for space crusade and the AVP stuff on display at Essen I'll try and remain hopeful.

What's got me really happy about that schedule is the 2 player starter in March and the 2 player campaign boxes in February and April. That's going to be sick.

>>50444565
Yeah; the little two player sets are going to be pretty awesome. I'm stoked.

>>50439841
JESUS FUCK GROPEY. WHY DID YOU MAKE ME GOOGLE THAT!?!

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>>50439898
Have you seen Imperial Skies? The rules look pretty good.

for aeronefs.

I generally prefer the simple aeronef aesthetic to the overdetailed spartan stuff. Different fleets still have different aesthetics, but everything's fairly plain. Germany has its complete lack of subtlety, the US has flying ironclads, Britain and France have more similarities but still seem different, Russia's doing whatever the fuck Russia does, Austria-Hungary's doing its best to build crude star destroyers, the South American nations are having their own thing going on and also buying foreign ships, Turkey's mostly relying on digs...

The recent freighters (and this fairly small coaler) look cool, too.

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>>50446835

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>>50446858

>>50442721
You don't. The Forge Father Forge Guards have a hard point too, but you don't have to put anything there.

so should i get the resistance fighter or terminator infantry box from warlord games while they're cheap or pass it up seeing as i have no plans for them?

>>50447970
Resistance fighters could work as generic scifi militia or postapoc stuff too I guess, so get them while they're cheap.

>>50444325
i didn't know about unicast, if it really can do what they promise it will be great i guess, but why the fuck are they bragging about not needing assembly anymore? I both like assembly and need it to paint the miniature without his arms getting in the way. We will se i guess

>>50448411
Plus how do you make optional upgrades with unicast? If out of 5 dudes one can be armed with a rocket launcher, how will they do it? Separate RL blister, or one dude is armed with it?

Tho I WANT them to lower prices if they do this, as this'll basically mean boardgame figures.

>>50443279
>>50443926
>>50447464

That's a bit daft. Just buying a naked Strider for 30 pts is really worth while just to have them punch things to death. Maybe buy they a chainsaw but the flamer and laser are pretty pointless on something thats shoot 6.

The majority of the time they'd be rolling 5 dice in melee so they'd do a good job of clobbering most things.

In 150pts you can have 9 zombies or dogs (or a mix of the two), 2 naked striders and a stage 1A for your leader and since there is nothing that says you can't use the 1A's ability on vehicles you could mutate the striders to give them stat boosts.

I'm starting to think that Forge Father might be a bit overpriced because I don't think they could beat that.

>>50449040
>and since there is nothing that says you can't use the 1A's ability on vehicles you could mutate the striders to give them stat boosts.
Think of it as the pilot getting those mutations.

Has anyone ordered from Hasslefree? How does the quality and sizing stack up with GW?

>>50449826
Quality is top notch.

Size of the mini? Depends on what mini you choose, some are kinda huge barbarians with lots of muscle, others are small children or women.

>>50449943
Are they comparably-scaled, at least? Barbarians wouldn't look weird next to marauders, etc?

>>50450190
>google
>Hasslefree GW size comparison
>see pic results

come on anon..

>>50450215
I don't want to know how they compare to space marines, I want to know how they compare to warhammer fantasy stuff.

>>50450468
Your problem was expecting anyone on 4chan to be helpful.

>>50439115
This KS is making me mad. On one hand, I'm definitely backing because I like the game and the miniatures (and I play Russian Coalition, so I actually know what I get). On the other hand, fuck Spartan Games with a spork. This KS campaign highlights everything wrong with the company. Nothing has been prepared, not even the lies supposed to hide the fact that nothing has been prepared.

Obscure Wargame Information Request: anyone played The Company Rules by Peter Pig? I can't find much about them online, other than that they're a small team SF skirmish game and some battle reports. An old Peter Pig catalog listing describes them as "Sci Fi 15mm squad combat, about 8 figs a side, assaults etc" and advertises the minis range as including "The Phugs are aliens that crawl around on all sixes," which is very informative regarding the actual rules.

https://occasionalambush.blogspot.co.nz/2011/10/revisiting-old-rules-ambush.html and the following few posts have the battle reports, if anyone's interested, but there's not much in the way of info. It doesn't look to be a big set like AK-47 Republic or Bloody Barons - no fancy pre-game sequence, I think.

>>50449040
There's definitely balance issues in the game. See the FAQ confirming no points refund for weapon swaps and all the Veer'myn specialists. Its generally considered that Plague has underpointed troops, while Forge Fathers and Veer'myn are overpointed.

>>50451851

Yeah it's a shame because I actually enjoy the game and the minis are pretty nice by Mantic standards.

It's almost like it's unfinished, I mean the weapon lists are a shambles. A magma rifle is arguably better than a magma cannon while being cheaper and a twin linked autocannon is worse than a single one but it's the same cost ...

And yeah replacing weapons should be a thing, it'd alleviate some of the cost issues.

>>50446835
What is the appeal of this style of airship? They all look like steaming dog turds.

>>50450877
Theoretically if the KS had failed and Spartan truly went tits up due to Neil being pants-on-head-retarded, how likely do people think it is that some other company/companies would pick up the Dystopian Wars and Firestorm Armada property?

>>50450877
The funniest thing so far is that they've had to change the KS because they broke the rules.

They were trying to bribe people to pledge at the highest level by offering them royalties on sales of the model they designed, totally ignorant of the rule that KS forbids financial incentives to back projects.

>>50452551
Well, they don't have a choice there. Designing a model means you get royalties on it, and some countries don't allow people to forfeit their right to said royalties.

So, it was getting told by the KS team or getting told by international justice. Sounds like it's going to be both.

>>50452479
>Hawk Wargames buys out DW & FSA at rock-bottom prices after Neil's failures catch up with Spartan.

Be still, my beating heart. Who's dick do I have to suck to make that happen?

>>50452479
>>50452658
I doubt anyone would buy Spartan Games. Maybe just the DW, FA and/or Planetfall IP (if that's at all possible), though the player base is small and the IP is a trainwreck. But no one in their right mind will touch the Halo deal with a ten-foot pole.

>>50452653
Typical Spartan not thinking things through.

>>50452765
I just want my favourite boat game in the hands of someone competent, Spartan Games as a whole can go fuck itself.

>>50450468
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=24406.0
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Ix9rKRdR6fk/Uquy9FixLYI/AAAAAAAAAxQ/7ceAwYagzwQ/s1600/FigComparison1.jpg
I know for a fact that Lord Ulthrak fits well, I remember seeing it in some blog.

All it took was 3 min of googling.

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Wow! spartan has revealed a whole ONE more model!

>>50452382
Its definitely unfinished. The thing is filled with errors and holes. They released a 5 page errata and FAQ shortly after publishing. I know they outsourced a lot of development stuff the backers, but they still needed to hire a real damn editor.

The game's still fun, but it needs some love and houserules, like Mordheim.

>>50453125

How uninspired and tacky.

>>50453125
Goddammit. Those banners looked stupid on the Mississipi, they look downright horrible here. How is the crew supposed to use the walkways if there's five hundred kilograms of cloth smothering them?

>>50450989
I haven't played but I've heard Peter Pigs rules are just mediocre.

Always used to be rules on one of these first two sites for using army men in wargames
https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=free+wargames+rules

>>50453276
They are a terrible example of "I know what I mean so I don't have to describe it" rules

>>50453418

Wouldn't that make them a good example?

>>50454326
They know what they meant, but the readers do not.

Bumping the thread with content in the form of a battle report!

https://ideaswithoutend.wordpress.com/2016/11/29/heavy-gear-blitz-battle-report-150tv-cef-line-vs-south/

Impressively despite being the guy who introduced Heavy Gear to my LGS, and who lends out all the armies, I haven't actually won a game of it yet...

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>>50448411
>>50448648
So it seems that unicast minis are already dripping into the product range, the Brotherhood Visionaries are apparently unicast. I had no idea and I have two squads of the bitches, feels and handles like their normal resin, poses are quite open and easy to access for painting.

Yeah, nah, I dunno what to really think, squads with multiple options are going to be the curve ball, are they going to just include X number of models that are allowed to take that option in the kit? Will those squads still be cast and sold in multi part resin kits? I'm very curious to see and desperately hoping they don't cock this up, Prodos really doesn't need the negative press.

Some renders of the Mule APC and Bauhaus Bully heavy tank have popped up, I'll post those next.

>>50456073
Fucking A! Battle reports are always nice to see, I don't play heavy gear myself, so some of it will probably fly over my head, but I'll give it a read anyway.

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>>50456401
Here's the Bauhaus Bully render, as an Imperial fanboy I am feeling pretty fucking hype.

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>>50456475
And the CTL-422 Mule Armoured Carrier. Cartel issued APC available to ALL factions. It's sporting a very interwar period aesthetic, hell, if you were impatient enough you could tinker with any number of the armoured cars and carriers from Warlords Bolt Action range to make a proxy of your own.

I kinda like it, but it's a render, with a not very flattering colouring and only a single angle, I'm reserving my full judgement for when some pictures of the real model pop up later.

Also doesn't look like I'll have an opponent for my inaugural WZR2.0 battle report this weekend. Though with having lost my job I shouldn't be too disappointed with that, I have bigger fish to fry right now.

>>50407315
Eden. Has a clown faction.

Punkocalypse is pretty similar in terms of style.

>>50456475
>Those exposed shells

Wew lad

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>>50456806
>mfw nobody know about Eden

>>50456891
Wew indeed, internal magazines? Who needs 'em!

>>50456073
That was a hell of a read! Glad to see someone getting some Heavy Gear in! I've been too busy to do anything hobby wise for a bit now.

Also that game sounded brutal.

>>50456581
I kinda dig it. Don't know if I'll get one, but it certainly fits the setting.

>>50457031
It wasn't as brutal as my follow up game where I ran North v Caprice and realised you can't actually flank a Mount

so I was reduced to fishing for lucky HAC hits, rolling constant 1s for guided missiles and my one Duelist XMG Hunter trying to punch an Ammon to death before getting triple 1s to dodge vs a 5 dice railgun attack and evaporating

Hey guys what's the word on Dropfleet? Some of those ships look kinda swank.

>>50400443

40k is like Bolt Action, only not WW2 and also shit

>>50407315
I messed up my quote. >>50414859

>>50456898
Jingles isn't from eden though

>>50457632
It's actually big enough to have it's own thread, /dcg/.

Current iteration is here
>>50445416

>>50424698
>>50426195

Your best bet is hoping that Perry makes them eventually, and they actually might if they ever get bored with ACW

>>50426525

Maybe urban/winter camo? Have you tried asking /wip/?

>>50458209
Oh shit. That's what I get for not using ctrl f I guess. Thanks fampai

>>50456401

I admit I'm a little worried about unicast. Maybe it'll be fine but their normal resin cast models have been great lately. I wouldn't want them to spoil them by cheaping out.

Still those new vehicles look great, definitely happy with them.

>>50456898

I do! Love Eden... and I'm not French. Me and like five other people...

>>50424698
don't ask awg about hystorical miniatures, go to hwg, also there s a forum about miniatures, The Miniatures Page which might be helpful. Both of the have many links to miniatures manufactureers or you could ask them, also try googling around it actually works with hystoricals.

>>50456401
i don't know, i am a very bad and meticulous painter, it feels like that sister in the middle would already be a pai to paint and these are just infantry, i can't imagine them always leaving their models so that they don't cover themselves and even if they will actually pay attention to it and avoid it it doesn't feel right that the sculptor should be this limited.I hope they use this unicast thing only where they should and don't start making everything unicast.(well it depends on the price i guess let's not be so fast about it)

hey fellas, what is a good skirmish game to play? I am trying to get into tabletop but the idea of plopping down 500 off the bat is pretty discouraging. However, I have come across the fact that skirmish games exist and they arent as time consuming. I am willing to put 100 down for a game that could probably be good enough for 2 people to play outright

sci fi preferred but I am open to anything

>>50456581
Oh come on, this is just an M3/5 haftrack.

>>50460880
try looking into mercs, its rules should be free and you need only 5 miniatures per side(you didn't include currency while writing 100)i also find it a lot of fun.I also read some people talking well bout urban wars and maybe you could consider infinity but that isn't going to cost you 100 for two people no matter the currency

>>50460880
I've been into Dark Age lately, so I'm going to plug that one.

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>>50461131
>that isn't going to cost you 100 for two people no matter the currency

On the one hand you're being a very helpful poster who is offering good advice.

On the other hand, I am a pedant and will point out that currency's such as the Japanese Yen, Renminbi, Tai Baht and Vietnamese Dong exist.

>>50453276
Every Peter Pig set I've played (Bloody Barons, the Samurai one, ACW or AWI I forget which, PBI, square bashing, AK-47) has been a great time from set-up to conclusion. The actual writing is occasionally unclear though, yeah.

>>50456581
Looks kinda lazy, just an M3 with a round hood. but maybe it'll have some use for historical players.

>>50460880
I just got into Dark Age, haven't played yet but looks solid. The starter sets, for a standard 500 pts force (the usual poitns level, besides 750), cost 54$ or so (27 if like me you bought them during Black Friday sales).

>>50411854
I played one at Historicon 98, War Pigs I think it was called. Pretty good system, even had an equally good one for Wild West plastic toys.

>>50462356
Lucky, by the time I got to it, the 2 I wanted were sold out.

>>50460956
>Oh come on, this is just an M3/5 haftrack.
>It's sporting a very interwar period aesthetic.
Yup, That's a lot of what warzone's vehicular aesthetic is like. A mix of and sometimes almost 1:1 rip off of WW1/WW2/30's Interwar period/Korean War. Cybertronic breaks the mold there, but then, they're Cybertronic.

>>50462092
>Looks kinda lazy, just an M3 with a round hood. but maybe it'll have some use for historical players.
I think players of historical games would be better off with all the other halftracks and armoured carriers on the market, rather than a halfarsed sci-fi model.

Is anyone else out there playing West Wind's Empire of the Dead, or is it truly a dead game, killed by it's own kickstarter?

>>50446835
I have and it looks pretty cool, the only problem is I can't find any pdfs and the only alternative seems to be buying the physical book from Brigade which is a little expensive for me.

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Westfalia are doing another KS for people who like Halflings. Got some cool buildings this time as well as bandits and stuff.

From what I gather their previous KS was pretty well executed so they've got a decent track record.

>>50460880
Sci Fi is hard. But anything 15mm is doable. Mantics Deadzone (though i think you need to buy terrain?). Any really small scale skirmish (ospreys black ops is pretty great, but it's near future). 40k Killteam with 3rd party models or ebay and one or two pirated codizes. Ganeshas Sci-Fi skirmish ( muntants and somehting... can't remember the name).
Non Sci Fi is easier, especially historics in 1/72 is cheap as fuck. And anything 15mm is rather cheap. But 28mm fanatsy can be cheap as well. Dragon Rampant with Mantic models or reaper bones or a mix of these with historical miniatures. I also recommend you check operation squad if you're interested in ww2. Can easily be played with 2 boxes of warlord ww2 minis.
I'm mostly taking into account the cost for the mini, especially colors and brushes cost a certain amount of money. Terrain is not necessary as you can use books, or other stuff that you can place minitaures on.

>>50419629
>>50428931
see I wanna buy it, its got like a little bit of terrain and a mat but then I doubt I'll ever play it. I think its the massive money off thats drawing me back to it

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>>50460062
I'm not even into post apo, but I like the guys.

>>50449826
>>50450468
Quality is about as good as it gets really.

Scale depends.
Old perry sculpts are gonna look okay, but generally speaking HF leans towards actual scale instead of heroic scale.
Newer empire plastic kits will look a bit goofy next to the HF stuff, in particular the women I think.
Elf kits might look right next to it though.

GW is inconsistent at best.

>>50449826
>>50450468
>>50464566
come to think of it you can mix and match them with GW LotR minis without any concern though.

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>>50464636
nnnnot exactly

They're close, but if you mix hasslfree with the LotR minis (or even perry historicals) you'll still end up with some chunky ogre men and women towering over the regular soldiers and carrying giant swords.

They're closer to 5th/6th edition warhammer models in scale. With slightly exaggerated features to read better on the tabletop, versus the more lanky builds and slim weapons historical miniatures have.

>>50464785
>They're closer to 5th/6th edition warhammer models
Highly doubt as that was the hamfisted-telephone pole spear period.

>>50464820
>With slightly exaggerated features
You fucking trog.

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>>50464820
The plastics, for sure. But it was also where the bulk of the human models were sculpted by the perry twins. Where all those excellent mordheim metals came from.

Hasslefree's sliding scale is much closer to heroic 28mm than it is "true" 28mm.

>>50464536
I'm pretty shock right now at how cool that is

>>50464785
since you are posting them, i have been wondering for ages if i should buy victrix or perry for my 28 mm napoleonics, do you have any suggestionb? Maybe somethng else entirely?(i am looking to get some austrians if it's a factor)

does anybody have opinions on wild west exodus? Setting looks pretty interesting(nothing too fancy,just sci fi-cow boy war)

>>50465066
Not actually my image, and I don't collect napoleonics. I'm more of a medieval guy.

Do perry even do plastic austrians, though? I know they've got metals, but that would probably be enough for me to go with victrix instead.

>>50465066
>>50465121

Victrix minis are monopose right?

>>50465006
It's the pet project of a professional painter and sculptor. It shows. The rules are really good too, from what I've heard.
I'm more into robots personally.

(For those who wonder, no not all miniatures are references from things, just an handful.)

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>>50465121
>Do perry even do plastic austrians, though? I know they've got metals, but that would probably be enough for me to go with victrix instead.
They do though.

I never had these minis in particular, but I love, love, love the perry minis that I bought so far, both metal and plastic.

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>>50465222
And yet I forgot my robot.

>>50465116
Cool minis and setting with a fucked up scale (both the ~32mm mini and the mass skirmish battle scale).
I'd buy the shit out of the plastic boxes and make some IG out of them, but they are way too big. Who decided this was a good idea?

>>50452765
Why would no one ever touch halo? Under the right guidance it might as well be a license to print money.

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Is it possible that the guys (or rather THE guy) behind DUST are the biggest jews ever?

I just checked the website with their new range of minis. Some of them look really nice, others are kinda meh, but thats ok.

Then i realized that they offer some kind of conversion kits to "dustify" existing Tamiya 1/48 scale kits (historical tanks and trucks etc) to use them in the game (or in Weird War games in general i guess).

Now thats an awesome idea. Its basically spures with either a whole turret or just couple of parts that fit into the Tamiya kit.
That range is limited at this point (which is ok, they just re-established the game) but to order these you have to be member of their "Elite" club. Well, a quick registration on the website for their newsletter and their silly "club" can't hurt i thought. I really wanted to order that sprue with the 2 turrets which would allow me to convert my Puma i use in Bolt Action to other variants easily.
Then i realized that i have to pay fucking $50 as a membership fee. What the literal fuck? In order to buy a single sprue for $25 (which is 2 whole 1/48 Italeri/Tamiya Puma kits btw) i have to join a shitty club for $50?

Now you could argue that the club gives me access to other benefits. True. But all the other exclusive items from the webstore are $120-155 pre-painted and pre-build kits.

Fuck those assholes. I'm mad as fuck right now

>>50468282
You're better off making models in CAD then printing them, or scratchbuilding from plasticard.

This is a really fucking dickish thing tho. Dust is a clusterfuck anyway.

>>50468311
Yeah, there are a couple of alternatives for me to get turrets like those, getting a sprue to simply build both of them would have been super easy and nice.

>Dust is a clusterfuck anyway.

True and i have no intention (nor do i know players) to play the game, but some of their walkers are still the best looking on the weird-war market. But luckily lots of people seem to sell their stuff on ebay these days.

>>50466183
I like both 32 mm and that awkward position between skirmish and company level games. Do you have any more insights about the rules(or maybe even a pdf)?

>>50466183
>I'd buy the shit out of the plastic boxes and make some IG out of them, but they are way too big. Who decided this was a good idea?
Could use the perry range of ACW plastics and get some lasguns from victoria.

>>50468371

As much as I like some of the minis I refuse to give Paolo Parente any money. He's that winning combination of hack and asshole.

>>50456898
I do; Gonna play tomorrow.

>>50418979
Buncha post-apoc raiders. The boss has got a bike and an awesome beard.
Played about six games with them, only to get stomped by aliens, arab mutants and robots. Fared a bit better against killer clowns and in a mirror match, but I've yet to win a game.
Eden can have a pretty steep learning curve depending on your starting faction. The fact I have absolutely no money to put into it at the moment doesn't make things any easier. Dante's Angels starter box might need an overhaul.

>>50419666
From which game is that?

>>50470631
Wait, which ones are the aliens in Eden?

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Today's "should have been there from the start but is being dribbled out slowly because Spartan can't into planning" is a slightly smaller squid.

>>50470653
Heavy Gear Blitz, it's the new plastic Caprice stuff.

*teleports*

So can somebody give me a rundown of the dust saga? Wanted to pick up a few walkers for other www2 games

>>50475110
>of the dust saga?
Do you mean how many times Paolo Parente sabotaged his pet project with his own ego or do you mean the lore of the game?

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>>50418979
>Tell me about Your Dudes, who are they?
This is Not a Test warband. It's a pack of mutant cannibal hillbilly slavers, who raided a Highway Patrol armory in the Fall.
• Matilda, The Ogre Queen: Pre-war stun baton, handcuffs/meathooks, flashbangs, and a silenced Colt 10mm pistol. Mean as Hell with her abilities (she's a Infiltrator who can force opponents prone in CC and ignores wound penalties)
• Jeffro: Cowboy carbine, rope, knives. Your basic degenerate mutie face-eater
• The Twins: Mutated man-blobs. One has a massive shotgun, the other a standard Police carbine and power fist. Both are hideous.
• Grampy Eliphalet: Psyker with a shotty and a bayonet. He has a pet Psychic Husk
• Baby Jane: Unmutated strumpet. Her primary role is to lure prey and/or enemy troops into an ambush. Packs a 10mm colt pistol as well, along with more rope, knives, and some cheap frag grenades

>What were their crowning glories? Regimental colours? Anything!
Well, we had to restart the campaign after Maw ran down, flashbanged, tased, and successfully >ate< a 175pt (out of 400 total in the warband..) Brotherhood of Steel Paladin in powered armor, which was particularly amusing because the Brotherhood troops managed to take down the entire cannibal warband in their retreat with only one other loss (a robot), We survived, mangled and irritable, but the Brotherhood player had to re-roll after his other Paladin was killed in Wasteland Deck mishap.

I need to get some more paint on these little bastards.

>>50475110
Garbage comic, not that good of a setting and a creator with an ego the size of a small planet and a self-sabotage streak a mile wide as a result of that ego.

The aesthetic is nice though, I'll admit.

>>50476911
That sounds amazing, please do!

>>50465066
>>50465121
>>50465230

Victrix is cheaper, Perry is way, way better sculpted though.

>>50465178

Victrix actually has various poses and a lot of customization (a lot of people complain that too many bits are separate) Perry are more monopose (body that you stick arms+head to)

In general, Napoleonic infantry wont be doing much besides standing at attention/firing, or marching forward. Perry tends to include a few skirmish-pose figs though (like 4-6 to a box iirc)

Final note, Warlord's napoleonics are a worst-of-both-worlds compromise, costing even more than Perry while also being worse sculpts with way, way less variation. The only reason to buy warlord nappys is if they make something Perry doesnt (I think the cavalry ranges are complimentary)

>>50449826
Good sculpts, well cast, but as other Anons have said, many don't scale against GW's weird IP-protection sizing scheme.
Alittle bit too skinny, generally, for the meat-blocks that GW's warriors tend to be.

See >>50453089

>>50465233
Awww shit dawg, that's cool.

A lot of the line is, actually.
And the guy can really sculpt some mechanical animals.

I'm not a fan of games with eleven tiny factions though, personally - I think it looks better to have more depth to fewer factions than eleven factions with eight models each.

>>50443020
Ok, they just added prices on their site a nd you can contact them directly on the email provided there tp buy.

>>50411854
>Why hasn't anyone decided to make a wargame involving plastic armymen?
>fucking filename of his picture is "Combat Storm 2nd Edition", the main army men wargame

>>50479586
Yeah, that's a real turn off of the game. You go to their site and you see all those faction symbols, and you think "Wow, this must be a fully fleshed out game with a history and an extensive line!" But then you start going through them, and the small selection for each one makes it feel like a deception.

Wild West Exodus has the same problem.

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>>50465233

>>50456806
>Punkocalypse

But it has its own set of problems, those figures make Infinity easy to mount and highly resistant.

Any thoughts on Mantic in general?
also what do you think of that The Walking Dead game they are releasing?

I'm interested in the game but those prices for the different sets are kind of incredible.

>>50486819
I heard only good things about the Walking dead game. Game-wise and also mini-wise. (sadly i don't like the show, the comics and zombie stuff in general).

I like mantic as a company. They started with fairly weak minis but every new range has been an improvement. Their prices are pretty good and so are their current minis.

>>50486872
the only thing stoping me now from that TWD kikestarter box is Guild ball The Kick-Off box.

argh why everything I like has to be so expensive

>>50486819
I like them, generally. Their models are a bit hit-and-miss but they've been steadily improving (some better studio painters would work wonders for them).

>>50488947
That being said I have no real interest in TWD. I haven't read the comics or watched the show and I'm kinda done with zombie games.

>>50488947
>>50488962
I can't say that I'm either a fan of the comic or the series.
today I just saw some of the gameplay and I have to saiy I liked. it was simple to follow and also the walkers work as a 3rd faction, one faction that controls itself.