Pathfinder General /pfg/

can we not have these fucking degenerate op images/topics please

fug ur shit pic OP

Anyone have the new Villain Codex?

>>50390438
>>50390462
I don't mind anime pictures but at least come up with a question that doesn't make us look retarded.

What's your character's family like?

>Building a cohort for my Warlord
>Starting to REALLY like the cohort
>Like, more than the original character
Uhhhhhhh
Should I
Should I switch?
Umm

>>50390488
What's your Warlord like, what's the cohort like?

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How would you make a Ramlethal type character?

Specifically, the two massive swords that do most of her fighting for her.

>>50390270
All three games I've been in have allowed Leadership, but those were all under the same GM. Results varied wildly, though in all cases the GM made the cohort use NPC wealth and the elite Array, which amounts to 15 PB.

>Game 1, GM asked the player interested in Leadership about their backstory, and ended up setting up an entire thing where they were the estranged daughter of a disgraced noble family, with the Cohort being a loyal servant of said family
>GM completely controls the NPC, on account of the player who took leadership being a fucking summoner god damnit you already have what amounts to a million cohorts you greedy whore
>Game 2, the GM is letting the interested player have free reign for the most part, though he is putting logical limits on race and such.
>No idea who's actually going to control the NPC for this one, since the cohort itself hadn't even been finished, and it
>Game 3 I finally decided to bite the bullet and say I was going to shoot for it, but pussyfooted around for a while until the GM basically leapt on top of a hook I left open in my backstory
>it appears as though I'm probably going to end up building and playing the Cohort myself for the most part, on account of the cohort being my character's Elven Warlock Vigilante sister

>>50390544
Psyarm Soulknife||Monk of some kind?

>>50390544
Psyarm for sure.

>>50390475
>What's your character's family like?
Her parents "divorced" when her father, an asshole sorcerer, found out his newborn twins had little to no magical ability. The idea was to reinvigorate her mother's bloodline by mixing with her father's, but it didn't work. Mother had to pack her things and get out of the noble's quarter of the city, shamed by all her "friends." Father married some floozy for political reasons and continues to be a stuck-up cunt, working his way up the ladder via charm spells and such.
Mother moved to downtown area and used what gold she was given to open up an Inn. The Dragon Inn. The sign features a dragon pulling an adventurer into it's lair using a rope. The Inn is doing very well now, so her mother spends most of her time goofing off, when she's not doing paperwork. She's become a very down-to-earth, motherly figure. Nags the inn staff like her own children.
Sister works at the Inn. Aspires to become a famous musician, has her band do shows at the Inn every other evening. She pretends to be "chill" and relaxed, but is secretly a very anxious and socially awkward person.
My character considers the Inn staff her family, too, but that's too many people I won't be typing up descriptions of.

>>50390270
Earlier this year, my group finished up the Kingmaker AP. Several of the PCs (three of them, IIRC, including mine) had Leadership. In most cases, the player controlled their cohort. It was rare for our cohorts to participate in combat, but when they did they were always under control of the player.

The only time I can really think of where the DM assumed control of a cohort is when the PC associated with that cohort sort of betrayed the party, or at least the party's trust in her, and said PC's cohort was no longer willing to serve her (they got a divorce over it, too). However, it's worth mentioning that the player of the PC in question was on board with losing her cohort because it was the only thing that really made sense given the context of the situation. The PC was killed with most of her fellow PCs having no intention to revive her. The party's Druid secretly used Reincarnate to bring her back, but because she had to return to both the party and the kingdom under a new identity, she had zero social connections. The DM let her player trade out the Leadership feat for something else, since it no longer fit her character.

An extension of the fact that the player controls the cohort was the fact that if the player left, so to did the cohort. For example, the Bard's cohort was his Cleric waifu. When the Bard's player semi-officially left the campaign due to IRL stuff, the DM didn't want us to still have access to the Cleric cohort for item crafting and cheaper rezzing.

Also if it's worth mentioning, the players built the cohorts mechanically but the GM spent the cohorts' starting wealth (they were given heroic NPC wealth, although the DM never got around to spending my cohort's wealth so he effectively came into the campaign broke).

>>50390536
My Warlord is a brash, my-way-or-the-highway type of woman. Specializes in slaying big monsters. A bit of a hoarder, carrying 2 bags of holding she chucks anything valuable into. Very CG in nature.

The cohort is a physically frail Bard that aspires to help and entertain people as much as she can. She knows a bit of magic, and is always looking for opportunities to use it to benefit someone. Tries her best to be LG, but ends up acting more NG usually.

The idea, originally, was to be tough warrior woman + cute sidekick, but the sidekick is really growing on me as a character of her own.

>>50390544
A well fluffed SynchSummoner or Soulknife.

>>50390575
I can find Soul Knives but not Psyarms, where can I see them?

>>50390772
https://pathminder.github.io/base-classes/soulknife-high-psionics-psychic-armory/

Making a level 6 spherecaster with Point Buy.
How retarded am I if I leave my casting stat at 18 post-racial?
I kind of want to spread my stats around.

>>50390819
That is perfectly fine.

>>50390819
How many points are you working with? At 25 or higher you should probably have 19 or 20, anything lower and 18 is fine.

>>50390834
25PB, yep.
I guess I should go for 20 then, huh?

Alright I'm just gonna post a short summary and if anyone wants to read the full backstory to give me feedback and critique that would help me a lot.


Shalelu's younger half-elf sibling has a reckless human mother who is a bad parent. When an extraplanar parasite embeds itself into the young child's shoulder, her mother takes her on a dangerous adventure/journey to find a cure. Cure is never found, and the child develops interpersonal interaction issues on top of looking like an eldritch horror hybrid.

Her character development would revolve around struggling against choices she had little to no say in during her upbringing.

>>50390859
Well like I said, a 19 is fine because at level 4 you can put another point in and get that +5. Using your points from levels is better than using your points from point buy.

>>50390646
How to terrify people from the past
Show him a drone with an Ipad on it and vape a weed consentrate which you inform him is now legal because the president's black.

>>50390475
We are hands down the most retarded general on /tg/ though

If you get to choose your casting stat, as an Incanter, is there ever any reason to not pick WIS?
Perception + Will saves is fucking phenomenal.
INT has skills I guess, and CHA is trash.
Right?

>>50390892
>We are hands down the most retarded general on /tg/ though
Reminder there was a paizocore-only PFG for a while

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Rolled 3, 5 + 4 = 12 (2d6 + 4)

Don't mind me just rolling something for Divine surrogate mother.

>>50390900
Character Concept.

Sometimes you want to be a smart motherfucker or a charismatic motherfucker.

As opposed to a wise motherfucker.

>>50390916
What was that, just Paizo shills arguing how broken Jingasa was?

>>50390918
>F-cups
Nice.

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>>50390918
Stop that!

>>50390940
>What was that, just Paizo shills arguing how broken Jingasa was?
basically

>>50390940
>somehow still smaller than Onryou

Eh, i suppose being six foot two might have something to do with it, as opposed to 5'5"

>>50390918
You could stuff a Childlike Halfling between those.

>>50390475

Big, noisy, and highly unnatural. Parents are actually PCs from a previous game; Dad is a Chosen One who was made a minor noble for services to the crown, Mom is a savage Abyssal Bloodrager who singlehandedly keeps their town safe from monsters and bandits via crushing fear. They have half a dozen kids, with more on the way, all of whom have manifested some form of divine or arcane ability, which they mostly use to get into trouble-the character in question is the eldest.

>>50390956
>he says while posting elf with the lewdest legs

>>50390475
Equally massive father, of typical Minkaian samurai demeanor.

Mother is a dainty Minkai nadeshiko human.

Is there a Domain or Bloodline power that grants a mental stat to AC?
I can't find one.

>>50391024

Lore mystery lets you do Cha to ac

>>50390985

F cups on a 5'5 woman with childbearing hips and a big bubble booty look a lot more appealing than H cups on a huge red skinned Oni.

Probably got fat puffy nips for maximum motherliness.

>>50390475
Riftwardens who disappeared shortly after her birth! Her foster parents though were gentle and caring.

I'm playing Wrath of the Righteous, save me.

>>50390544
dunno how to stat ramlethal herself, but the massive swords are probably just intelligent massive swords with a high CL and at-will telekinesis

>>50390475
Wife died in a landslide while he was working the quarry.

Son ran away from home years before, to become an adventurer and not be stuck in the quiet mining town

So now my Barb has nothing much left to live for, and does merc work to fuel his new drinking problem and fun a way to end it while still being useful.

Except now he's joined the party, he's decided to make himself the surrogate father for the party wizard and keep the young lad safe while he fights a merc war with the Aspis Consortium.

>>50391035
Lunar mystery lets you do so much more

Surprised there aren't any awoos in the game with Lunar mystery Cha-fuckery

>>50391040

You're god damn right... though huge muscles have their own appeal.

>>50391065
Does Scaled Fist and Lunar mystery oracle stack?

>>50391065
Oh I'm sure that any awoos that joined would have a different kind of fuckery.

>>50390918
>>50391040

In other news, are there any known cults in the greater Varsia region that want their gods resurrected or given flesh?

I need a cult to try to nearly kill Amalthea for Koya to rescue.

>>50390819
Depends on whether you're a dedicated caster or a gish-type. You can get away with a lower casting stat in spheres, especially if you don't have too many SoD effects.

>>50391111
For evil cults and corrupt motherhood, you can't beat Lamashtu!

And yes, there's an active Lamashtan cult in Varisia.

>>50390916
They're no longer around though

Which mean we win out in the race for most retarded.

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>>50390806

They made Lambda.

Nice.

>>50391144
What about towergirls general though

>>50391166
They are Kawata Shijo levels of retarded.

>>50391198
Yeah so we're fine

>>50391198

>tfw I had to explain to them why a slutty princess isn't actually a bad thing or makes her "worthless" as a lover

>>50391198
/ksg/ is the most retarded general on all of 4chan. We couldn't be that bad if we tried.

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So! Did you have an enjoyable Thanksgiving, /pfg/? Are you excited for the weekend?

>>50391144
We're still less retarded than /vp/

so I have a topic. How do you build theme'd spell lists when you play a prepared caster? Wizard for instance. Do you do it by school? Subschool? Element? Narrative theme?

I normally do it by school and tell myself 75% of my spells will be from that school. Do you all put similar limitations on?

>>50391243
I always theme my spell lists for "ultimate cosmic power" by powergaming and cherry picking the best spells

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>>50391219
Is that a challenge?!

>>50391279
no, it isn't
don't even try
it's impossible to get to that level now
they're too far ahead

>>50391243
Usually school or element.

>>50391228

I had a super awesome Thanksgiving, lots of food and merrymaking! Lots of it! We ended the night with Prince of Egypt and an interest in getting the folks watching Game of Thrones!

This weekend is the knightly quest of knighthood, but Sunday is going to be sooooo lazy.

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>>50391219
What's /ksg/?

Kitsune Shota General?

>>50391243
go for a kind of wizard i want to achieve. Build my spell list around it.

Example: wanted to play a demonologist last game. Got all the magic circles, planar bindings, etc.

>>50391321
I'm still totally amazed there's only one kitsune applicant for that game, and that he is neither a crossdressing trap, a shota, nor a fat-chested slut.

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>>50391321
Is there such a wonderful place?

>>50391348

He's a true hero, anon.

>>50391321
Katawa Shoujo General.

>>50391144
Aren't we still better than those ded thred generals like the 4e and Planescape ones?

>>50391321
>>50391446
My guess was Kickstarter General, a place to talk about and shill new /tg/-related Kickstarters.

Sounds like it would make for an incredibly retarded general.

>>50391380
Is he the hero /pfg/ needs, or the one we deserve?

Two questions.

1) How long ago did the Kaijitsus move to Varisia?

2) Is there a family tree of the Kaijitsus somewhere?

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>>50390438
About to start a game, and GM said that Tome of Battle from 3.5 was allowed. If I want to be a higher tier martial, do I still go Warblade? Or has it been outpaced?

>>50391351

Oh gosh that picture is ADORABLE.

>>50391546

The latter, /pfg/ deserves to rot for the things we've done, but he protects us still.

>>50391615

I have an answer to both those things, but I'm phoneposting.

That said, I know for a fact the Kaijitsu family used to live in or around... god dammit, I want to say but it would be spoilerific! Just know they were a founding family of Sandpoint.

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>>50391321
What about a kitsune shota pretending to be a MILF using shapechanging in an attempt to seem more worldly and knowledgeable?

>>50391649
I skimmed the Brinewall Legacy, so I know they fled Minkai, but I'd prefer to get the specific questions answered rather than have to go looking and spoil myself more.

>>50391243
Well remember, your Spell List can often expand past your usual level amounts through study and paying cash to active new spells.
As for themes, that's personal for the character type, but what I usually do is pick 25-60% thematic utility, and the rest combat stuff

>>50391679

Okay, so! My specifics are a teensy bit hazy, but they arrived in Avistan around 4650 AR and the important guy you're thinking of in Brinewall Legacy is Lonjiku's father or grandfather.

>>50391653
You'd think there'd be some cultural disdain for shapeshifting because of stuff like this. All the pervy Kitsune would just have their human forms be thicc titty monsters.

>>50391747
Sounds more like it would lead to a cultural disdain for perversion.

Are there many/consistent undead foes in Rise of the Runelords?

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What's your favourite holiday?

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>>50391866
I like New Years Day. I get birthday fireworks and alcohol!

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>>50390438
>tfw you don't know if you want to go with aasimar archon-blooded awoo because you like aasimars or maybe ride the meme wave and go blinkling (they also have very nice racial traits)

And now this guy >>50391348 made me realize that I can still go back to my original draft and pick zenko kitsune.

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>Monk of the Healing Hand
>True Sacrifice
>All dead allies within the 50 foot emanation are brought back to life, as if they were the subject of a true resurrection spell with a caster level equal to the monk’s level. When the monk does this, he is truly and utterly destroyed. A monk destroyed in this way can never come back to life, not even by way of a wish or miracle spell or by the power of a deity. Furthermore, the monk’s name can never be spoken or written down again. All written mentions of his name become nothing more than a blank space.

Holy SHIT
Anyone know more stuff like this? Doesn't matter what class, even if it's 3pp.

Me i'm just sitting here.

>>50391866
I don't do holidays or days of significance.
The way I see it all days are equally insignificant.

>>50391866
Halloween, no doubt about it

>>50391943
There's Halloween in Golarion?

>>50391949
Sure there is. It's just got a different name.
This is Paizo we're talking about.

>>50391938
edgy

>>50391917
For extra fun it stacks with Sensei Monk, which allows you to activate your ki powers on your allies. With no save.

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>>50391905
Be /pfg/'s first blinkling player!

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>>50392031

So you could potentially obliterate a teammate from existence for a full-party rez?

Fascinating.

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I'm tempted to ask what the fuck is a blinkling but I'm too afraid.

>>50391905
Anon, that wasn't an invitation to make one of those stereotypes

>>50391959
Would you rather call them all equally significant?

>>50392093
It's a race that exists solely to torment a dev.

>>50392101
Yes
Fucking Shelynite

>>50392093
Halfing Blinkdog hybrid

>>50392054
>[Gareth's Liver Cirrhosis Intensifies]

I need some clarification on the SoP Transformation feat.
When it says "You gain all the abilities granted by this form"
What exactly counts as an ability?
It lists movement modes, attacks, special abilities and then says "etc."
Am I correct in understanding that you mimic the creature exactly, aside from feats/skills/ability scores/hitpoints/size?

Remember to ban DepressedHomebrewer from your games. He doesn't bring anything good and is actively worse than 2hu.

>>50392162
You get everything listed by the Form Talent you picked, as though you had used the sphere ability to use that talent to mimic a creature. IE: If you turned into a dragon, you would be a Medium Dragon of your selected color with all the abilities listed under that talent.

>>50392166
Remember that nobody cares about your witch hunt.

>>50392166
Or, I've got an alternate suggestion, we could just not witch-hunt or bully.

>>50391905
What is zenko kitsune from?

>>50392166
Have you considered a job with the Ordo Hereticus? You seem to be quite proficient at initiating witch hunts

>>50392175
Wait, I'm confused.
The feat says "but do not gain any traits from the Alteration sphere as part of this transformation"

>>50392166
>>50392176
Actually, it's a pretty good demonstration who's actively helping the thread; witch-hunt anon only goes after the people who are helpful! You'll note he didn't go after BUILDPOSTER.

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Alright now /pfg/, I got a shinanigan idea for us today. How about we build us a W40K Ork as best we can? Let's use a 25 point buy to whatever level you need to make a right and proper ork.

>>50392199
You can choose to add ADDITIONAL traits when transforming via the alteration sphere. IE, if you had both the Dragon and Avian talents, you could add wings to your Dragon form as a trait.

Transformation, choosing Dragon as your form, does not let you do this without taking the Improved Transformation feat. You ONLY get the base Dragon transformation unless you take the Improved feat, or do some bullshit involving Hybrid+Shifting Disguise to use the Alteration sphere on top of the Transformation sphere.

>>50392188
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GvwMclLSw15slYI7D5xLdjMzr-Nau92hNha9Sx0LOk4/edit
Playtest for second Bloodforge. /pfg/ willed additional kitsune options into existence.

>>50392094
The funny thing is, all of these fit mechanically. Blinkling is probably the strongest and zenko the weakest. And just because I like cute things doesn't mean I intend to be an obnoxious waste of space.

>>50392242
Ohhhhhh.
I see now.
Thanks for taking the time to explain it, anon!

>>50392257
No problem senpai, I was basically just explaining what I had for one of my potential alternate characters anyway, since he was a Shifter||(Brutal Slayer/Bushi) Stalker, taking the Transformation+Hybrid Transformation feats in order to ALWAYS be in a dragon-like state. Dude's a huge dragonaboo who may or may not even have any dragon blood in him.

>>50392240
>How about we build us a W40K Ork as best we can?
A GM's plot device, considering they literally run on "It just works"

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>>50392166
Would you let either of them play blinklings?

>>50392031
>>50392068
Even better, technically you can use it on an enemy!

>>50392240
Orc Urban Barbarian

>>50390462
In what thread, on which board, on which website do you think you are?

>>50392202
2hu isn't really helpful.

>>50392338
I beg to differ. I've received plenty of really useful chargen help from 2hu.

So I read through a few threads. I looked through NToRacle's sheet and honestly can't see what's so broken about it. Literally he has a 3k magic item and that seems to be what people are freaking out about.

>>50392338
He is. Sometimes he just get kinda caught up in minmaxy optimization.

>>50392403

In a campaign full of interesting, flavorful purchase lists... his seems kind of boring.

>>50392407
That's an understatement. He's never not caught up in it.

Doesn't mean he isn't right when he works.

>>50392427
The only reason anybody cares is because people vaguely know who he is.

What in the Bestiary would be most appropriate for large magical ravens, similar to the Great Ravens in Malazan? I'd like them to be quite powerful preferably (though they'd be in a flock).

Right now I'm looking through the Magical Beasts and Outsiders (particularly Demons), but not finding anything that really jumps out at me so far.

>>50392427
It literally is an amulet he stole from the council of ushers that gives him knowledge religion and is shaped like a holy symbol to someone that matches the mark on his back. How is that not flavorful?

>>50392532
Because that's all that he has, and it's taking up all of his money? That's boring.

>>50392532
It's an amulet that gives a +10 on a single skill check.

>>50392541
He took Rich Parents he's sitting in like 600gp to buy other things. His purchase list seems like it just has the bare necessities to submit a character.

I doubt he's done buying things. Hell be even said he wasn't in another thread.

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How bad do Tiefs get horn envy?

>>50392403
He basically just focused on getting the most retarderdly high diplomacy bonus possible.

>>50392559
I know i haven't even started buying shit for gamagirly

the game is still more than a month off.

>>50392554
It also gives a +5 competency to a single knowledge which he chose religion and they're all shaped and can work as a holy symbol. Everyone is focusin on the +10.

>>50392575
Because that's why he bought it, to get another floating +10 once per day.

>>50392572
I don't know where people get this from either. Go look at the sheet. He isn't especially better at diplomacy than anything else. He does all skills. It's like people just repeat memes and don't look at the sheet.

>>50392596
>its like people just repeat memes

On 4chan? You think someone would do that?

>>50392594
He got rid of it on the last iteration of the character sheet and just kept "strange amulet".

>>50392596
That's after several iterations of changing his character. People still remember him when he had a +55 and with him literally saying he built the oracle and the dwarf to fuck with people.

>>50392617
Apparently it worked. People are still freaking out about it.

>>50391040
You have no idea how cup sizes work.

>>50390438
Who's that cute boy in the OP?

>>50392657
Does anyone really?

>>50392676
Yes.

>>50392657
>>50392676
Yes. Measure the chest under the breasts, then around the breasts. Subtract the two, and you'll get your bust size. AA is under an inch, A is an inch, B is two inches, C is three, and so on.

>>50392703
this madman googled holy shit.

>>50392711
Or he went shopping for clothes with his wife. That's where I learned it.

And that image looks like her breasts are larger in diameter than her torso, so I don't think the measurement systems really works there.

>>50392407
>>50392454
2hu's "optimization" does nothing but sully the good name of PoW and SoP.

>>50392737
Oh shush.

>>50392711
>>50392728
Femanon, but sure. The measurement system goes up arbitrarily high. J cups are the highest I've seen, but it's not like you can't just go further.

>>50392746
I've seen GMs ban PoW and SoP because of 2hu.

>>50392523
Would anyone mind helping me with my genuinely Pathfinder-related question?

Rolled 4, 4 + 2 = 10 (2d4 + 2)

>>50392244
I'm more worried about the shitposting that might happen BECAUSE of one of your choice in cute thing, rather than the cute thing itself.

Nice double dubs, by the way. Somehow that prompted me to try an unrelated roll for kicks.

>>50392755
No you haven't.

>>50392755
I've seen people go on the internet and tell lies.

>>50392757

Refluff a Roc.

>>50392751
AND THIS

IS TO GO

EVEN FURTHER BEYOND

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>>50392767

>>50392755
And they probably would ban it without 2hu.

Nigger hasn't posted in ages, find a new witch to burn or better yet piss off.

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>>50392793
No witchunting!

>>50392737
He's actually very bad at optimizing PF.

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>>50392767
You take that back you fucking slut!

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>>50392798

What if we're playing Witch Hunters?

>>50392757
How powerful. What do you need them to do. Why do they matter in your campaign.

Answer these first, then I'll see what can be done for you.

>>50392814
I uh... I guess that's okay then?

>>50392814
A shitposter is a shitposter, even in a dream.

>>50392804
DHB is actually good at optimizing, which is worse.

>>50392523
Roc

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>>50392830

Is there an archetype or something so I can either be a fighter who gets rage or a barbarian who gets more feats?

>>50392846
>Is there an archetype or something so I can either be a fighter who gets rage or a barbarian who gets more feats?

Fighter (Viking), one of the more powerful archetypes available to Fighter!

>>50392846
VMC Barbarian on a fighter maybe?

>>50390438
>What kind of cute blinkling would you take as a PC/cohort/waifu/husbando/meido?

My character wouldn't. She's entirely asexual. If she ever become sexual, it will be because she's eaten sentient flesh and is becoming a hag, at which point any cocks a cock and it'll go in the pot after it's shot.

>>50392846
Not sure about the latter, but the Viking archetype for the fighter can grant Rage. It takes away Weapon Training though, which makes it a little bad with the advent of the Weapon Master's Handbook and such.

>>50392846
Viking Fighter, but it honestly kinda sucks.

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>>50392761
>do a joke roll
>it's maxed out
>feel obligated to actually use it now
>I may have a reason for my character to look so smug

I've made many mistakes in my life

>>50392846
So you have a few options here.

The Viking Fighter is an archetype that gets rage.

Personally I say however that you should instead use Variant Multiclassing rules and VMC Barbarian.

Then you get Rage, one rage power, DR, etc. but retain 16 of your 21 feats.

>>50392768
>>50392821
Thanks for being the good ones. I appreciate the Roc suggestion but CR 9 is a tad high if I intend to make a small flock for the encounter.

Perhaps CR 3-6 at an individual level with some spellcasting ability, intelligent enough to speak. They'll be guarding a citadel the PCs are headed to and while they won't outright attack, the PCs may run afoul of them.

Thanks.

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>>50392879

Is it for a girl who's now got two very large reasons to put on that shit-eating grin? Or a guy who's got a big surprise for anyone he takes to bed.

>>50392879
I did that once.

It was a kobold.

It's a dangerous game we play when we roll for endowments. One must be careful what they wish for.

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>>50392804
>PoW and SoP aren't Pathfinder

Sure buddy.

>>50392857
Oh hey that actually fits really well
>>50392859
I don't know what VMC means I'm kind of new to Pathfinder
>>50392871
What's so good about Weapon Training?
>>50392872
Why?

>>50392846
The Viking gets rage, but it's a bit mixed. On the other hand, the Mutagen Warrior gets Mutagens, and trades out armor training.

Either that or VMC barbarian as other people have suggested.

>>50392900
Perhaps just use the version that Rangers or Druids get access to? They're much weaker than normal Rocs while still being dangerous. Your players probably won't be able to tell the difference if you don't tell them.

>>50392919
VMC is Variant Multiclassing. You trade out half your feats for class features from a second class.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/character-advancement#TOC-Variant-Multiclassing

Weapon Training is great because it's a scaling bonus to attack and damage with your chosen weapon.

>>50392879
I'm guessing the dong chart is 3pp.

Luckily I don't think Adventurer's guilds have penis inspection days.

Has anyone else realized that an alchemist spec-ed for polymorphing face-punching is actually incredibly good?

It also gets pounce.

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>>50392879
Anon, don't you know the true smug comes with small package?

>>50392947
>Luckily I don't think Adventurer's guilds have penis inspection days.

The ones in Andoran do.

>>50392949
Well yeah, that's usually what Vivisectionist is used for anon!

>>50392900
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/psychopomp/psychopomp-nosoi

Then go here and look up a couple of appropriate templates - or better yet, apply a few templates to different versions (this works especially well with the simple fighter, druid, cleric, and sorcerer templates).

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/indexes-and-tables/templates-by-cr-adjustment

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>>50392919
VMC = Variant Multi Classing, from Pathfinder Unchained.

>http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/unchained/skillsAndOptions/variantMulticlassing.html

>>50392967
>vivisectionist
Why?

>>50392918
Those are parts of pathfinder. Those are also the only parts he's good at optimizing. He can't cope with anything that might have imagination or any non-linear reasoning behind it.

>>50392905
It's a dude this time around.

>>50392914
>>50392947
>>50392951
The irony of this whole thing is, as a shapeshifter, my roll is likely completely irrelevant.

>>50392982
Sneak Attack dice are really good when you're pouncing motherfuckers? Try to keep up, anon.

>>50392982
You're not gonna use bombs and sneak attack is free damage. If you optimize for natural attacks you can get:
bite, claw, claw, wing, wing, tail, gore, stinger, hoove, hoove

If you're flanking they ALL sneak attack for an extra 100d6 damage.

>>50392982
Sneak attack instead of bombs, and you can get some hideous surprise modifiers using 3rd arm and the high number of skill-points they get.

>>50392919
>What's so good about Weapon Training
Weapon Master's Handbook actually gave options to make the feature useful, and helped bump the Vanilla Fighter up in capability.

>>50393005
>+350 damage average on a full attack.
Absolutely disgusting.

>>50393005
>If you're flanking

Also jesus that is a lot of natural attacks. I was going for a more normal morningstar + 2xvestigal arm claws and a bite.

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>>50392992
>He can't cope with anything that might have imagination or any non-linear reasoning behind it.

What do Paizo martials have to do with imagination and non-linear reasoning?

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>>50393005
>extra 100d6 damage.
FINNA BUST A NUT

>>50393005
>bite, claw, claw, wing, wing, tail, gore, stinger, hoove, hoove
Jesus what?

And can you do this without being a skinwalker?

>>50393029
That's also fine! Vivisectionist is just "the default" for melee-alchemists, is all.

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>>50393029
>thinking you can use Vestigial Arms for ANYTHING besides looking cool or not needing to let go of your weapon to drink a potion/extract

Boy, are you about to be disappointed

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Is there a good way to go about building a character who uses smaller weapons but isn't trying to be sneaky or do anything like that?

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>>50393038
>What do Paizo martials have to do with imagination and non-linear reasoning?

I think I'm being pretty imaginative and non-linear with my martial.

>>50393075
Yes. Give us parameters faggot, otherwise you're going to get blown up with PoW builds.

>>50393005
>If you optimize for natural attacks you can get:
>bite, claw, claw, wing, wing, tail, gore, stinger, hoove, hoove
how?

>>50393075
Yeah. Mostly Fighters.

Focused Weapon lets them jack up the damage dice of something like a dagger, and Trained Grace means you don't have to be hammering down on strength so hard.

Anyone know of 3pp Oracle Curses other than the ones on the SRD?

>>50393094
not like people won't tell him to go OD/ZS warder anyways because god knows thats the only fucking build ever talked about in pfg.

>>50393075
warpriest lest you replace your weapon damage with a scaling damage.

>>50393075
Warpriest, or that one Advanced Weapon Training that let's you apply double bonus while weilding a guessable weapon

>>50393075
Warpreist

>>50393094
Paramaters?

Must be cute. No dwarfs.

>>50393075
PoW Landschnekt with specific focus on Scarlet Throne. Best class for entry would be either a Warpath follower or a Myrmidon Fighter

>>50392936
>>50392972
Thanks guys. This templates chart is great. A basic companion Roc or Giant Eagle with a +1 or +2 template would work great, perhaps a Dream Eater or something.

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>>50393156
>Must be cute. No dwarfs.

Half-elf Warpriest.

>>50393156
Exposed Vigilante with Companion to the Lonely.

You know exactly what I meant, and this is what you get for trying to be funny.

>>50393004
Nah, I can see it happening.
>Stop showing off with those... things. Just because you can make them this huge doesn't mean you have to. Go back to you normal self.
>B-but this is my normal self.
>Riiight.

>>50393067
I don't get any extra attacks until I put claws on them.

>>50393248
Vestigial Arms cannot give you "additional attacks". IE, even with claws on them. Even if you have 4 arms, you are still only ever actually able to attack "as though you had 2". You COULD theoretically alternate, but you could not get more attacks overall than if you just had 2 arms.

Yes, it's fucking retarded. Deal with it.

>>50393235
I think I rolled the wrong thing, since I rolled as though the human form was the "real deal". That said, I don't think a small-sized animal have an entry.

>>50393110
Demongrafts, weird armor, and discoveries

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>>50393233
Okay. I want to know if there's a class/build where speed can translate into more damage, or perhaps one that makes better use of critical hits.

so.. when crafting stuff.. And let's say that I want to add a spell to the item.. and the spell has a DC to beat to resist it.

Is there some way that I can increase the DC of the spell by crafting somehow?

>>50393340
>movement into damage
There's the Mobile Fighter archetype, but it kinda sucks.
>better use of crits
Magus

>>50393326
...so what is the best way to do that without super sketchy "if your dm allows" magic items and armor?

>>50392761
>I'm more worried about the shitposting that might happen BECAUSE of one of your choice in cute thing
Well, then at least I will be recgnized and that will improve my chances! You know, it doesn't matter what they say as long as you are talked about.

>Somehow that prompted me to try an unrelated roll for kicks.
What kind of dice would blinklings get for that roll? I'm almost sure aasimars are 2d8. Not sure about kitsune, logically they should get 2d4 because they are modelled after Tien people but the amount of hunks and titty seductresses kinda contradicts that.

>>50393381

Tien are 2d3 as they tend to be small and thin, Kitsune being 2d4 literally represents them being hunkier and more voluptuous than the average native.

>>50393075
Swashbuckler, wakazishi, slashing grace feat.

Done.

>>50393377
Hooves and stronger become impossible to get.

>>50393423
>Swashbuckler
Why would you do that to the poor anon?

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>>50393444
Its an excellent class if you know what you're doing which perfectly fits what he wants.

Its also great for weeaboo sword fighting by just refluffing things.

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>>50393465
That's a cute picture!

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>>50393490
I have a lot of pictures of cute boys doing cute things with swords.

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>>50393465
Why must you lie in this way? Is this the return of the Charmed Life memer

>>50393516
I want your cute folder!

>>50393432
Not if you are a skinwalker. Although I've never seen anyone actually allow one of these into the game.

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>>50393518
Charmed Life memer?

Charmed life is babby divine grace. Its better then a whole lot of nothing though.

what are the best reroll based abilities and class features?

>>50393465
>Its an excellent class
That's gets outperformed at its job by a fucking Cavalier archetype, and what it does sucks anyway, and honestly you're better off being a or refluffed Magus

>>50393527
Which skin walker can get a stinger?

I kinda wanna make dune drifter work

>>50393558
none? But one can get a gore, and two hoof attacks.

>>50393465
>excellent class
Low T5

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>>50393549
Daring Champion is a swashbuckler with -4 levels and a challenge while missing out half the deeds including some of the best ones.

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>>50393516
Two can play at that game.

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>>50393465
>posting loser buttslut Nier
>not Papa Bear Mode Nier

>>50393656
As if Papa Nier has never taken it in the ass for his little girl.

>>50393650
And swashbuckker is literally worse than Fighter.

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>>50393656
You know he fucks up, fails everything and becomes the Shadowlord right?

>>50393692

BUT

IN HIS HEART

HE DID WHAT HE KNEW WAS RIGHT.

Canonically, Yonah dies from the Black Scrawl like two years after the events of NieR.

>>50393650
There's only one worthwhile deed and it's a 1 level dip.

Nothing justifies staying in Swash for more than 1 level (of Inspired Blade for maximum cheese factor).

Also, the Daring Champion gets order abilities which are massively better than deeds.

>>50393692
So does Brother Nier.

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>>50393689
Fighter is a really good class but making it a DEX specialist is a waste.

I kind of want to check out Nier, is it on pc?

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>>50393727

Are we posting cool character art for people looking for some now?

>>50393728

Nope, 360 and PS3.

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>>50393720
I think you haven't really bothered to think swashbuckler through if you think that, not to mention your "better then swashbuckler" cavalier build now has 1 level of swashbuckler.

Besides its a massive waste to make a daring champion instead of a base cavalier with a griffon mount and flyby attack.

>>50393728
No.

>>50393728
It's for the PS3 and 360, IIRC. If you can't get the game, check out the OST at the very least.

It's really fucking good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgMRNiEPPYg&list=PL8DDD2D047A076DC8&index=6

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>>50393744
Does one need a reason to share art?

>>50393724

I love how the writing makes Brother Nier look like a starry-eyed shonen protagonist and it makes Papa Nier look like a FUCKING WEIRDO.

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>>50393744
>>50393770
>Nope, 360 and PS3.

>>50393650
>implying Swashbuckler Deeds are relevant by the time you get access to the "good" ones.
>implying your DPR will ever be acceptable or useful as a Swashbuckler
>implying you aren't screwed with your action economy
Have fun playing what is literally a shittier fighter.
And besides the Daring Champion at least gets Challenge to shore up the shitty damage and his Order choice can make him much more useful

>>50393747
Yes, Swashbuckler is worse than Daring Champion, which is worse than base Cavalier, which is not even a good class.

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>>50393771
>Does one need a reason to share art?

I've got a lot of art, and I would rather share specific pieces to people who have a concept in mind.

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Also what do you guys think of a summoner 5/diabolist 2 whom has three imps. (Imp-like eidolon with wings and UMD feat, Imp familiar and imp animal companion)?

Or a crossblooded sorcerer with eldritch heritage feats so they have three bloodlines?

>>50393773
>being a caring and protective father makes you a weirdo
I take it you never had a good father figure in your life

>>50393727
>fighter is a really good class
>making it a DEX specialist is a waste
>implying either of these is true

Are you high. Even "wasting" fighter's potential by going Dex, you still get a net result that's miles better than Swashbuckler

>>50393814

Nigga I wasn't talking about Nier's interaction with Yonah, I was talking about the rest of him.

And you take that back my father is GREAT.

>>50393771
Wasn't Brother Nier a bit of an ass? Like halfway through the game he was just running on bloodlust and didn't really care about Yonah? I understand the personalities were different too.

>>50393727
>Fighter is a really good class
Tell what system you're playing. Because it's obviously not PF

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>>50393784
You get the best deed at level 1-3, many which cannot be recreated by a fighter without investing in a minimum of 4 feats for one deed to be as effective as a level 1 or 3 swashbuckler.

>>50393807
No, but a daring champion is worse then a swashbuckler and a cavalier is an entirely different kind of character from the getgo.

I swear by this logic everyone should just play sorcerer.

I need to disguise the main villain of one of my questlines as a character who the PCs regularly interact with. They're half-undead and I want them to appear as a human, but I can't use disguise self because each time they meet I'd have to roll Will checks with a high chance of him being found out.

How can I reasonably do this?

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>>50393770
Ooh, I'm actually really enjoying this OST. Thank you thank you!

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Time to go sadly

>>50393713
Wow, that's a bigger kick in the teeth than that kid Gyro was trying to save.

>>50393847
You seem to imply that the swashbuckler deeds are good enough to matter.

>>50393852

Kaine (Salvation/Escape), Snow in Summer, The Wretched Automatons and Song of the Ancients (Fate) are all fantastic and you should listen to them next!

>>50393847
Do you not understand the concept of Tiers in PF

>>50393850
Just use a more powerful polymorph.
Pull a special abilitiy or SLA out of your ass if you can't find a spell you like.

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Is spamming bombs viable at higher level, anyway? Do you have enough supplies to sustain your full attacks?

>>50393874
FUCK YOU FOR REMINDING ME.

HOLY SHIT

Everyone in Nier world was screwed anyway because it's a fucking Taro game nigga.

>>50393888
Don't argue with PanzerCreed

>>50393847
>No, but a daring champion is worse then a swashbuckler
Yet they can have better skill utility, and often shot on the Swashbuckler in terms of DPR with Challenge, and especially if they go Order of the Eastern Star.

How much would a small house cost? Not a hovel, just a three/four room house in Sandpoint.

>>50393888
To be fair tiers are wholly irrelevant in actual play, they only matter in theory crafting.

>>50393852

Don't mention it. Also, everything that>>50393886
suggested is on point, they're all good songs.

>>50393917
Don't forget being a dwarf for another 0.5 dmg to level bonus.


>>50393847
>I swear by this logic everyone should just play sorcerer.

Anon, just how retarded are you?

>>50393902

Canonically false, everyone in the NieR world was *not* screwed, the Popola and Devolas of the villages that were not touched by Nier's Naughty Rampage of Pointless Imouto Rescue successfully reunited the Gestalts with their Replicants and, eventually, Humanity once more returned to Earth.

Still, the Devola and Popola models feel pretty salty about the whole affair.

>>50393917
>Skill utility
>cavalier
>Not a bard or skald

lmao martials when will they learn

>>50393927
Congrats. You've proved your opinions don't matter

>>50393922
>How much would a small house cost?

1,290 gp.

I bought one for Casimir.

>>50393946
I was saying compared to swash.
Of course Bards are better, their in a much higher Tier all together

>>50393956
Cool, thanks!

How old is he now?

>>50393938
Wait what?
I thought with the Shadowlord dead any hopes of reuniting the replicants and gestalts was lost and the tree was slowly fucking up and failing at making replicants.


Also that Radio Drama where Emil gets a robot body and watches over the dead world and fends off an alien invasion

>>50393847
>I swear by this logic everyone should just play sorcerer.
No, they should play a solid T4-3 class instead

>>50393969

Still 32, but that's because I haven't had a chance to sit down and actually make him older. I'll probably make him 47, that's a nice number, right?

>>50393949
Lmao why, you never played in a fighter only game? Or NPC class only game? Or just with people going for quirky shit instead of minmaxing for maximum effectiveness?

As long as you hit a base amount of effectiveness which often means just buying power attack and having high strength, or spell focus into evocation, conjuration or necromancy you can spend literally everything else in whatever you want, like a fighter 1/eldritch knight 10 from level 1 onwards to be the dumbest knight ever or making a sorcerer with 8 sorcerer bloodlines.

>>50393976

NieR Automata takes place almost nine thousand years after the events of NieR, killing the Shadowlord only fucked up NieR's part of the world, things kept on ticking elsewhere.

Emil fights off the alien invasion while Humanity is still struggling to rebuild, giving them enough time to escape to the Moon, he kicks their asses so hard the aliens eventually revere him as a War God and build the Living Machines in his image.

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>>50394011

>>50393899
Not really.
If you've got like what, 30 bombs? That's at most five rounds of throwing per day by endgame.

Their damage is okay, but this basically covers like, TWO encounters, and the default is 3-4.

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>>50394011
>Playing all fighters or NPC classes
>Fighter into Eldritch Knight with no spellcasting class levels
>Sorcerer with 8 bloodlines, something that cannot legally happen in the system outside of maybe that one mongrel archetype

Playing quirky characters does not automatically mean "playing something that is total garbage", and being suboptimal does not mean you're building like Harsk.

>>50394043
>that first part
So that was the confusion. Thanks.

>>50393981
Last time I checked the listing swashbuckler was a high T4 bordering on T3 actually.

>>50394007
I'd advise building a timeline. 47 means he was 42 when his wife died. You have 3 choices to make.

1) How old was he when he had his kid.

2) How old was his kid moved out?

3) How long was he in Sandpoint before his wife died?

1+2+3+an extra five years gives you his current age.

>>50394062
The list you were checking was almost certainly garbage. Swashbucklers are near the bottom of t5.

>>50394062
No, it's T5
http://pastebin.com/5ekDL471

>>50393899
You can spam bombs to nova down an encounter, but it's suggested you keep a backup weapon. Typically a longbow, since you'll have a mutagen to boost your str, and the ranged feats for bombs anyway. Maybe even throwing weapons if you're doing TWF too and don't mind blowing obscene amounts of money.

>>50394068
How old was his kid when he moved out, rather.

>>50394062
Pure Swashes?

How? They really don't have anything meaningful on a fighter in combat, and can't even make use of the weapon/armor master options that finally pushed them into t3.

I could see like, some class dipping 1 level of swash making it into t3 easy, all those free feats are pretty sweet.

>>50393038
I wasn't the one who said anything about martials. I said that TuHu can't do anything beyond strictly math for optimization, so outside of SoP and PoW he's pretty much lost in PF.

>>50394011
that only works if your party builds specifically for low power and gimmick runs.
in your average game, where players are building with a competant grasp of optimization, especially when its your first time with the group, the Tiers are a very real thing.

Running a game soon. I need a large humaniod monster that has basically just a slam attack, and a whole bunch of health. Any ideas?

>>50394146
your mom lmao

>>50394146
CR 10 to 12 each. sorry.

>>50394146
Clay Golem.

>>50393549
This is bullshit, and anyone with half a brain knows it.

>>50393720
Order abilities are shit, anon. The penalties you suffer for using them limit you far more than the benefits help your damage, and even worse, it's limited times per day damage. The one feat that gives you more uses of your challenge fucks you in the ass on AC.

>>50394091
>Arcanist and shaman T1

lmao pure trash

>>50394189
>t. person who has no idea how an arcanist or shaman work

CG rowdy and rough Ragebred (Wereboar) Skinwalker who's loud, rude, crude lewd big and tough, yes or no? She was raised in a Wereboar tribe until the shaman/elder told her to go and find her destiny across the world, she has no idea what this means so she's just going to hang out with whoever she first meets and fiercely protect and love them, she gets very attached and follow them. She may seem bad at first but she's very loving, motherly and busty, I rolled for it and she has got DDD cups holy shit and she's only 5'4", rolled for that too once you get to know her. She spends almost all her time in hybrid form (+10 foot speed and gore usually, I took the Extra Feature feat) because that's the form she is most comfortable in and she doesn't realize its rather intimidating to "normal" people.
Mechanically she is a Ninja/Superstitious Barbarian
18
14
17
7
9
14
33 HP
AC 12 (no armor for now)
50 foot speed
Masterwork Glaive- +8 to hit, 1d10+6 damage, reach and X3 criticals (this glaive is carved from various bones, given to her by the shaman/elder)
Gore (After the glaive attack) +2 to hit, 1d6+2 damage
I took the Raging Leaper rage power, Acrobatic Master Ninja trick, extra Rogue Talent feat and High Jumper Ninja trick, meaning if she uses all those she can jump 20 feet straight up on a 10 (I know that isn't optimal, but weeaboo jump attacks are awesome)
She doesn't have a name yet by the way.
What do you guys think, good character for RotJR, or should I go back to the drawing board?

>>50394173
>AC
>implying that's useful past lvl 6

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>>50394189
>Arcanist not T1

>>50394189
If you think Arcanist shouldn't be t1, you have literally no idea how the tiers work.

>>50394173
>Order abilities are shit,

They are better than the wast majority of deeds, however.

>The one feat that gives you more uses of your challenge fucks you in the ass on AC.

That's an Order you are thinking of. There is now a feat that replicates it without fucking your AC.

>>50394202
>implying ac isn't a usefull defense all the way to level 15 at least
Surviving a full attack is nice to have dude. HP damage is the win condition for most of the monsters you will face.

>>50394202
>nothing attacks AC at higher levels
Uh huh.

>>50394220
Reread that feat, anon.

>>50394165
Thanks. What should I change if I removed the magic immunity? I'm basically using the stat-block for a custom enemy.

>>50394091
Huh. Unchained monks are now tier 3, with potential tier 2 abilities.

Unchained rogues are tier 4 at least instead of tier 6.

>>50394267
>Huh. Unchained monks are now tier 3, with potential tier 2 abilities.
wait what?

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>>50394068
>>50394108

Number crunching says he would be 53, which is pretty gosh darn old to be running around with a bunch of twenty somethings! I've also expanded his family a tiny bit to include two sons and a daughter, all of them out of the house and living their lives hither and tither.

Thanks man, this helped a lot! It even got me to pick up on a lil ole error in my numbers; namely, the Late Unpleasantness occurred in 4702 AR, and the Vanishing occurred in 4699 AR, which means Casimir would had to have gone from Brevoy to falling for Miranda to settling in Magnimar to retiring in Sandpoint all in under 3 years. Yikes! This puts his backstory in a bit of a bender now, I've got time tonight or tomorrow to work out a fix, but I'm always up for suggestions if someone has some!

>>50394218
>>50394207
Arcanist is T3 at best, and a shitty one at that.

>>50394242
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/chain-challenge

What am I supposed to see?

>>50394207
No. An arcanist is a tier 3 with above average damage output and above average weakness to anything sneezing at it.