Porphyrion edition Single Meltabomb sub edition Old Thread

First for one point meltabombs

Link to the new FAQ. Meltabomb units BTFO
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/11/22/warhammer-40000-rulebook-final-faq/

Can someone convert this(Taghmata Army List in epub) to pdf and post link here?
I can't convert it by normal converters(online and calibre), but i saw epubs like this converted to pdf, but I don't know how to do this.
http://www111.zippyshare.com/v/ubR1X6xt/file.html

>>50351811
We need somebody to make a pic to go along with the "pull a number and join the queue to use your meltabomb" meme.

This is a dark day indeed.

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>they nerfed meltabombs in units
>I can still one shot a Spartan with a saboteur and Dynat

Always win

You know what? I like this FAQ, makes power fists and dreadnoughts have a place in the game instead of getting glanced to death in one round.

>Q: Do plasma cannons and other Gets Hot Blast weapons benefit from rules that allow them to re-roll To Hit rolls of 1? For example, a Clan Raukaan character wearing the Tempered Helm nominates a unit of friendly Devastators to re-roll To Hit rolls of 1 in this Shooting phase. These Devastators are all equipped with plasma cannons. Do they get to re-roll the Gets Hot roll if it comes up as 1?
A: Yes.

Good to know that prefered enemy still works on gets hot! rolls.

>>50351860
i sure hope this is the last hussar of 40 guns, so we can go back to needing mixed armies again
give WE a chance

>>50351904
Guess they're so used to fighting them that they can ration their fire a little better, keeping plasmas cooler.

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>No more toe-in-rubble-for-cover for monsterous creatures

Suck it Mechanicum ! No more shall you get a cheap 4+ cover on your Thanatar because a pebble is hiding a part of its pinky toe ! Fire up the lascannons lads !

>>50351946
>hussar of 40 guns
huh?

>>50351961
Oh no, all the way down to 5++, what a nightmare

>>50351816
I could use printscreen and convert it to PDF from there, but that's gonna take a loooooooooong time as that means copying every single page individually

>>50351966
40k, but its been all gunline for the last 2 editions,

>>50352251
The bit I didn't understand was the Hussar part. What has this got to do with flashy cavalry?

Apart from Angel Exterminatus, (and Book 3, I suppose,) are there any good iron warrior books/essential reading?

>>50352497
Storm of Iron and all Mcneil's Iron Warrior stuff is pretty good.

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>>50351783
Aaaaah!

How do you guys keep focused?

I want to paint and play all the legions, but there is not enough time or money!

FUCK

Asking again, how does a Spartan theme for World Eaters sound? Also, could I fluff it as a Warrior Lodge's custom?

>>50352604
Maybe, but I think it is a bit overdone.

>>50352662
Overdone as in overused? I haven't seen anything like it but is it fairly common?

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>>50352604
Sounds good, they already have an official corinthian helmet

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>>50352604
Worked for me

>>50352730
Looks great. Where did you get the helmet?

>>50352604
Thinking of using Anvil Industries chain-glaives as spears for the hoplite-type units.

>>50352683
Hey, if you pull it of well..no worries.

Probably just still triggered by 300.

Spartans do not stand for Freedom and apple pie, god damit! Think about the Helots!

>>50352770
I made it by lopping the bunny ears off of a Veteran helmet, and scuplting the crest with GS.

>>50352772
Western audiece is western, and doesn't like remembering slavery. It's not like it was President Leonidas, right?

>>50352772
>>50352824
I could maybe ally one of the human forces as Helot meatshields. 300 is a terrible movie factually, I can understand annoyance.
>>50352801
Ah ok. Im not confident with green stuff, I might grab some helmets and pick up some crest bitz though.

>>50352282
I think he meant last huzzah

>>50351868
>>50351874
Added "The Man who Sold the World", "Staying Alive" and "Life on Mars" (along with "Through Fire and Flames" and "It's Tough to be a God")

"It's Tough to be a God"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dotsOGOLOHY

[Lorgar]
I can't lead, I'm not qualified
He told me He won't be deified
We were disgraced by the Ultramarines
[Kor Phareon]
Lorgar, what are you talking about?!
The Emprah forced us to our knees
But religion is a need
We'd better seek some gods other than him
[Lorgar]
Other than him? Other than him? Other than him?
[Khor Phareon]
Chaos gods!
[Lorgar]
I shall look for some gods
Tread where mortals have not trod
I will be enlightened, I'll surpass Guilliman
Need an object of devotion
Need a subject for psalms
[Kor Phareon]
It's a rather touching notion,
all those prayers and those salaams.
[Lorgar]
And who am I to bridle
if I'm chosen as their champion?
If they say that I'm their man, that's what I am.
What's more, if we don't comply
with the chaos gods' wishes,
I can see us being sacrificed or cursed.
[Kor Phareon]
You have a point, yes, that's very good thinking.
So! Let's seek gods!
The perks are great.
Emprah gone without a trace!
The Word Bearers should not be rebuffed.
[Lorgar]
Never rebuff, never rebuff Word Bearers' prayers, no Father!
[Lorgar and Kor]
We'll seek old Colchis' gods
but we should get some Primarch's nods,
"Count your blessings,
corrupt Horus",
that's their advice.
[Lorgar]
It's great advice!
[Lorgar and Kor]
Steal the Kinebranch Athame
[Kor Phareon]
And wound Horus!
[Lorgar and Kor]
Form a cult!
Fight on Davin,
and make his legion
take him to the Serpent's Lodge.
[Kor Phareon]
Don a supernatural habit
[Lorgar]
We'd be crazy not to grab it!
[Lorgar and Kor]
So sign on our legion for heresy...he-re-sy!


>>50352887
Come on man, you know 300 isn't a historical movie. It's a fantasy manly drama

>>50351807
>>50351811
>>50351838
What happend to melta bombs?

>>50353043
Duh, forgot the link
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Grimdark_Songwriting

>>50352887
Cult helot meat shields sounds amazing.

All in all Spartans did care about freedom as long as it was theirs.

As they had their hands full with holding their position they DID try to keep the athenians from grabbing the other city states.

>>50352601
I know that feel.

>>50353062
That has just given me an idea for Ultramarines as Athens vs Word Bearers as Sparta kinda campaign. It would be like Grimdark Peloponnesian War.

>>50353069
What are your biggest projects you want to tackle?

I would love to do some MKII ultramarine Nemesis chpater guys, or grey word bearers.

I just want destroyers to work.

>>50353119
Sounds pretty fun!

I hope you habe a lot of BFG players, world conquering via space seems cool.

>>50353057
The FAQ said you can only use 1 per assault phase. WHich if it were an errata would have been fine, but then they quoted the BRB blurb about THROWING a grenade; despite the BRB going out of its way TWICE to tell you that using grenades in assault is NOT throwing that it is clamping as a MELEE weapon.(p180)

They quoted their own wrong rule and made it an incorrect FAQ instead of an errata.

>>50353119
>Ultramarines as Athens boylovers
Anon stop being so accurate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhJfEhIKcmM
>>50353127
>I just want destroyers to work.
Don't we all. Destroyers a best.

Does POTL only really work if you max out on Terminators and Vets, at the expense of things like artillery and tanks?

It seems if I only pick 2 vets that it's really easy to lose those VPs

>>50353160
>It seems if I only pick 2 vets that it's really easy to lose those VPs
Depending on your points range you should consider other rites. Example, the Delegatus' Chosen duty, Primarch's chosen, Maloghurst and the Reaping all turn Vets into troops, with verying provisions.

>>50353160
>Does POTL only really work if you max out on Terminators and Vets, at the expense of things like artillery and tanks?

I got no idea what you're talking about, Veterans in rhinos are cheap enough that you can have other things. Terminators on the other hand work best if you bring tons of them, they are expensive and limiting but that has nothing to do with PotL.

>>50353127
>>50353155
Really we should just start using house ruled point reduced destroyers so FW get the hint.

I mean vet tac pricing and like 50points for packs makes them decent, not great, but you dont hate yourself for taking them

>>50353160
Unless SW get some RoW that lets Vets or Terminators be Troops, I'll have to use PoTL to make room in my Elites. Damn my love of terminators and dreadnoughts!

>>50353238
Play fury of the ancients

Dreads as troops, termies as elites, shit'll be hardcore

Are there origins of Big E in Master of Mankind? And something about him when he was young?

>>50353214
If your enemy kills all your vets/terminators, they score extra points. So taking that two vet squad Troop tax and stocking up on other units means they're easier to get wiped out and giving your opponent more points. So anon is clearly asking if the counter to such a thing is to take a lot of vets/terminators.

>>50353264
Forge Lord and Primus Medicae tax, though. I ain't got the characters.

>>50353160

Yeah pretty much

My go to is that I have 25 terminators on the table plus DT and HQ and if you kill them all, I'm probably done anyway.

>>50353155
>>50353220

Well, the Word Bearers variant are working a lot better.

>>50353301
And that's not even talking about auto-losing seizing the initiative, inability to take fortifications and each destroyed dreadnought giving the opponent victory points.

>>50353286
But why is he using PotL to just use two Tac Vets as tax? That sounds weird, you could be using any other RoW and still have two scoring Tac Vets, the point of the rite is to open up your elite slots and have a deadly troop choice in Tac Vets/Terminators and even if you take 40 Vets you still have enough points for other stuff.

It seems like too much worry for nothing.

Retcon time: tell me how you like it


There is only 1 lost legion now that still has the same mysterious circumstances of its censure

The other legion is now revealed to have been a loyalist legion that was present at the dropsite massacre and was completely annihilated to the last man, primarch and all.

Any remaining legionnaires either integrated with surviving legions or became blackshields. By the 41st millennium very few outside the astartes and higher positions of the Imperium know anything about them.

>>50353483
Shit/10, takes away from the other Istvaan legions and adds nothing while taking away mystery from the setting.

>>50353512

Considering that's essentially the Astral Claws backstory anyway, it's not all that bad.

And I think it highlights the tragedy of the loyalists at Isstvan more than just Ferrus dying

>>50353483
>killed to the last man
>any remaining legionnaires

what?

>>50353539
>Considering that's essentially the Astral Claws backstory anyway

How? The Astral Claws story is a cautionary tale about not paying your taxes, it has nothing to do with being annihilated by traitors.

>>50353539
But what about the Raven's 98 day flight, or the whole Vulkan lives thing? Istvaan was never Ferrus only

>>50353483
>killed to the last man
>completely forgotten
i feel like that would make 0 sense
for myself i'dd like to see ollanius pius be a regular dude again

>>50353587
I just want Laurie Goldberg fired.

>>50353587
Yeah, fuck giant immortal space mongs.

Emps did it for humanity, THEY were the tool to achieve his goal.

>>50353587
>falling for the Ecclechiarchy's Ollanius Pius lie

best bullshit the church ever came up with

>>50353638
He's been a real person for some time now.

>>50353542

Presumably the men present were killed to the last man and any marines not present went rogue

>>50353658
No he hasn't.
You're thinking of Ollanius 'Pius' Persson, who is the real person the story of Saint Ollanius Pius that the church made up to embolden dog troopers to walk into certain death, is based on.

>>50353658
I assume Anon means "not a perpetual." I don't think perpetuals are a good addition to the story, but they've been in the fluff for ages.

>>50353385
I didn't mean I would ONLY use 2 Vets. What I said was that you need to max out your troops, which ARE more expensive than your usual tac tax, and maximise it otherwise POTL just doesn't feel worth it.

At lower points, POTL means you forgo artillery and tanks for dudes because otherwise you lose dudes and VPs too quickly otherwise.

>>50351816
I've begun to convert it. I don't know if the final product will be of any use, since I've never done it before. I'll post it if it's good.

>>50353581
>or the whole Vulkan lives thing

I believe you mean VULKAN LIVES

>>50353686
>He actually believes chaosfucker lies
Has anyone got that 'down the slippery slope that is BL' pic?

>>50353753
LIIIIIIVES!

>>50353753

Vulkan lives matter

>>50353686
>Pius isn't real because the Ecclesiarchy didn't use his correct name

Well ok then.

So if I'm reading this new FAQ right I can only infiltrate units if they cannot be seen by enemy units? No more infiltrate 18" away regardless?

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Reposting for great justice.

>>50353706
>Tac Tax
>Not using 2 20-man Tac blobs and a 20-man Assault blob

Mate do you even (half the Traitor Legions)?

>>50353844
And Ultrasmurfs.

I love tac blobs...or as IH with that right....Immortal Blobs!

Even SoH with reavers get a place as jump packs make them bulky.

Hol Beloth leading a WB force with lots of dudes, a Herald and a chaplain sounds sort of fun as well.

>>50353779
Nah, that's not what I was getting at.
Pius only existed as a motivational Saint who was said, thousands of years later, to have been at Guardsman who got inbetween Horus and the Emperor at the Imperial Palace.
In Bill King's fluff it was a Terminator aboard Horus' battle barge.
In Visions of Heresy it was a Custode.
In BL it's gonna be Ollanius Pius, on the Vengeful Spirit, for technically the first time.
BL's actually making it 'canon', it's just that making him a Perpetual devalues the story of the Saint. Which is actually fine because the story of the Saint is a church legend told to make Guardsmen walk into enemy gunfire. It's more 40K to have the truth be twisted by the church for grimdark purposes.

>>50353888
Fug off, muh humanity!

>>50353796
No, the bit of text about deploying 18" away in plain sight doesn't get replaced in the errata. You can still do that.

I'm going to use mk3 iron hands tactical(the FW kit) for my veteran tacs, and was thinking mk4 for my regular tacs, but I want them to stand out a little, any ideas for how to achieve that?

>>50353993
>regular tacs
>stand out a little
But why?

>>50354003
I want something to represent inviolate armour on the tabletop, something that represents their superior toughness to other marines

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What's better for general AT, two squads of attack bikes with Multi-Meltas, or one squad of sky slayers with Multi-Meltas?

>>50353888
>negating current Pius' existence because of a several times over retconned fluff blurb from Rogue Trader

Be as mad as you want, the fact is that Pius is a real flesh and blood person in current year HH and what role he plays by the end of it we'll see when we get there.

Next you'll be telling me Russ ain't a primarch and we shouldn't believe all these lies about him being one, because this old fluff piece says he's an Imperial commander.

>>50354003
Coolnes?

>>50353993
Personally, since I will use a lot of tanks and my blobs as object grabbers and anvils..I will give them a lot of upgrades and the tac squad.

I like to spoil those machine men.

Ordering 10 torsos and heads means half of them, at least, will get upgraded.

>>50354023
cybernetics?

>>50353888
>It's more 40K to have the truth be twisted by the church for grimdark purposes.
I liked this, which is something we see in real life as well. Khornetrips says the truth

>>50354029
Vultarax

>>50354023
Go nuts
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-EU/Iron-Hands-Legion-Tactical-Squad
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-EU/Iron-Hands-Upgrade-Set
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-EU/Iron-Hands-Legion-MKIII-Squad

>>50353844
>>50353885

Is a pair of 20-marine tac-blobs (with apothecary) any good, or will they just be deleted by phosphex-quads?

>>50354039
>Make a polite post about that finishes by saying BL have made Pius a real dude in current HH
>get accused of being mad and saying Pius isn't a real dude in current HH

Okay

>>50354076
ooh, when the rules get official, can iron hands using head of the gorgon take a vulturax in elites? that would be sicknasty

>>50354116
Quads they can survive, but Earthshakers, Medusae (and Whirlwind scorpius if you arent IH) won't care.
>>50354127
Damn.

>>50354076
b-but I p-play WS

>>50354210
Have you thought about Graviton Land's Speeders?

>>50354255
>Land's Speeders

I like you.

>>50354116
Thats why I put them in tonks.

>Cybernetic laughter intensifies.

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>>50354270

>>50354255

:^)

>>50354210
Bikes or Storm Eagles.

>>50354255
>>50354270
Eh, I don't like it. That one doesn't roll off the tongue so well with the double ss-ss sound in the middle.

>>50354255
I've already got a couple of Las-javelins, hadn't thought about grav-speeders t.b.h

>>50354332
Already got a storm eagle and a fair few bikes, just got a few points floating around spare and more Anti-tank never hurts

>>50354352
How many points?

Sicaran Venator might be a good idea, or maybe a Xiphon/Lightning.

I thought you were blob anon, sorry.

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>>50353844

>only ordered 10 assault marines

T-they're not shit at 10 r-right

>>50354116
20's a liability, and pie food.

10 in a rhino is the healthy number. No apothecary, but apothecaries should be in your specialized squads.

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>>50354335
It's not even a single extra second of s, you can handle it.
>Land's knechts

>>50354394
What about 15 Reavers?

>>50354383
I think you could do multiple 10 man squads in a Drop Assault Vanguard list and it'd work reasonably, magic number is 15 for assault squads as they have enough bodies to weather shit and be a pain when they hit something without being too expensive.

>>50354383
Which legion do you play? The (half the Traitor Legions) thing may have been a reference to the fact SOH and NL get bonuses for outnumbering the enemy in an assault.

>>50354411
No, it stops the flow of the sentence, and is therefore ugly and unacceptable. The golden rule of English is how it sounds trumps all.

>>50354414
I don't give advice to traitors.

>>50354449
And DG,WE,WB also play spammy fluff wise and sometimes even rule wise.

>>50354477

Oh no, totaly loyal Luna Wolf here :^)

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>>50353770
I've got you covered.

>>50354382
looking to bump my 2k list up to 3k, so if I really wanted I could probably afford to fit in more bikes and speeders

Points wise that is. Wallet wise, I certainly cannot afford more bikes and speeder. But I can go a few weeks without eating, right?

>>50353888
Actually now that we have confirmation that the Emperor wasn't fighting hordes of daemons in the webway during the Siege, we can actually have both the Palace encounter and the Vengeful Spirit encounter.

>>50354552
I feel your pain.

>>50354552
At that points level, I feel a sicaran venator could be a really useful addition, to stop enemy vehicles shooting as much as to kill things. At 3k there's a decent chance of a superheavy tank on the other side of the table, and you do NOT want a typhon firing at your expensive jetbikes.

How you would fund this is up to you however.

>>50354552
>But I can go a few weeks without eating, right?
Ramen and an egg, anon, you'll live.

You'll want to die, but you'll live.

Havoc Launcher on a LR Phobos, yea or nay?

>>50354688
>you'll want to die
I feel like the only one who can eat ramen (and eggs) for weeks without getting bored of them.

>>50354688
As in, instant noodles and an egg in the entire day? Even with a full stomach I know that'll feel heavy in my stomach, and I'm kind of a Death Guard myself.
>>50354729
Yeah, you are.

>>50354633
Sorry, mistyped, it's 2.5k to 3k

Still got a bit of wiggle room for a venator, but I just really hate the model

Already got a laser vindicator, and might grab another, but if I can learn to love the venator I might take it.

>>50354727
Nay, you cannot snapfire blast weapons.

>>50354761
If he takes a machine spirit he could

but that's a lot of points for a S5 AP5 blast weapon

>>50354688
there are ways to get cheap meals without going full poverty student mode

>>50354819
Land's Raiders already have a Machine Spirit, which enables them to shoot 2 weapons, aka their TL Lascannons, when moving up to Combat Speed

MY TARTAROS TERMINATORS FINALLY CAME IN THE MAIL. FUCK.

Okay, so I'm building a unit of 10 to ride in my Spartan Assault tank, and the plan so far is to give them all volkite chargers, 7 Power Fists and 3 Chainfists. Convince me not to, /hhg/.

>>50354884

God Speed, Anon

>>50354830
To be fair, it only popped into my head because after a month or so of craving instant ramen I finally cracked and bought a 6-pack.

No idea when I'll eat the other 5.

What is the WAAC wargear for Cataphractii Terminators?

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>>50354884
>Convince me not to, /hhg/.
Wtf why not? Well, maybe use two Plasma blasters, but otherwise go full choom, anon.

>>50354485
>>50354449
Yeah, I play World Eaters, and have a hard-on for infantry for some reason.

As far as I'm aware, SoH, NL, IW, WE, DG from the traitors, and Ultras, IF, IH, and maybe BA love their big blob-squads.
Also it's sorta the way HH was intended to be played?

>>50354449
You, again.
>how it sounds
What are you, Italian or something? I'm an English teacher, and the golden rule of English is "rephrase over and over so you sound clever".

>>50354884
Cut some Fists out for Claws, especially if you're running up against opponents who like power armored Axes and Fists.

>>50354884
Oh true, listen to >>50355006. Use some Claws & Volkites as well.
>F u L l . C h O o M . . .

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>>50355006
>mfw tartaros weenies drop their fists and axes for tickle fingers

>>50355053
>>50355006
Aight, so I'll probably either switch out 5 dudes for double claws, or only switch their fists for the single claw. The rest are going to be 3 Chainfists, 2 Power Fists

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>tfw no sadistic doctor/mad scientist Corvus bf who does his sickest experiments on me

Is there a place where I can research the primarchs? I'm interested in their names as it relates to their chapters,,, don't know why but I'm suddenly interested.

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>>50355126
Here's the math in case you're wondering which way to go.
>>50355220
I think you're the only one who saved that image, which is ironic considering the text.

>>50354432

What about BA Day of Rev? Work for that as well?

>>50355222
I don't understand your question. Primarch history is found in the wikis. All of them.
About their names and how they relate to their legion and tropes, that's simple latin for you. It's way easier if you speak any romance language, but google is your friend.
I mean, Fierro Mano and Sanguinius, come on.

I heard somewhere that they were going to reduce the size of the Acastus-Knight Porphyrion, but I don't know if that was ever confirmed. Do we know what size the Porphyrion will be? Just gonna pretend it doesn't exist if its the size of a warhound.

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>>50355220
>tfw no Corvus bf to double-team alongside senpai

>>50355447
>Just gonna pretend it doesn't exist if its the size of a warhound.

Its the size of a warhound.

>>50355447
nah, you got it the wrong way round. It was gonna be cerastus sized but bulkier, then they wanted to make it bigger so people can see the difference when playing the new adeptus titanicus game so now its warhound sized

>>50355447
Originally it was a tiny bit shorter than a cerastus, but then for some insane reason FW decided to make it warhound size

It is to knights what leviathans are to dreads

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>>50355447
>Just gonna pretend it doesn't exist if its the size of a warhound.
Same, although Porphyrion is a giant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porphyrion
>>50355470
So pic related is false? Awww

>>50355494
that was the old wip sculpt.

>>50355494
If they had gone the height of the cerastus but a bit bulkier, that and the armor should have been plenty to distinguish it from the cerastus chassis. I hope they don't make a whole line of Acastus chassis now. I really love the knight houses, but find the acastus silly.

Anon-Keepers of the Old Lore, isn't the (((new))) Porphyrion (giant among giants) a re-model of one of the old Knight minis? The shooty one.

>>50355252
Wait, are those the numbers for single claw? I'm kind of confused.

>>50355278
I know I was looking for a handout

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>>50355685
Here you go

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>>50355685
Heres a factual one.

>>50355764
Curze is ugly like sin.

>>50355764
kek'd

you forgot to mention vulko is black, I don't feel like that's something your average HH fan would know

>>50355764
Lionel Johnson is an actual name though. He was gay too.

>>50355785
Horus alternate name should be the Warmaster.

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How many skull helmets is too many skull helmets for your average night lords squad?

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>>50355820

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>>50355638
Both! It's a comparison between a single claw attack and two volkite shots, which I'm now realizing I got wrong because Volkite chargers are S5. This is the corrected version.

As (You) can see, the difference between dual claws and Volkite + Claw is minimal (in melee you could kill some marines before actually making contact), and against Terminators is actually detrimental. Tartaros would be able to overwatch, but Cataphractii don't care about that.

>>50355764
I've always liked this version
>>50355785
Damn this is nice too.
>>50355852
What about "Favoured Son" or "First among Equals"?

>>50355856
no more than 50%

>>50355852
Yeah it's strange how he has no nickname while some of them have 5

>>50355856
(Squad Size + 1)

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>>50355888
Doesn't Lupercal means "Brother to wolves"? Wolf is Lupus. I mean, I doubt it's a real last name, like...like "Dorn"?
Horus Guadalupercal :^)

>>50355856
There is no such thing as too many skull helmets!

>>50355911
Luperci means that, don't know about Lupercal

>>50355939
At least we know it's related in some way to wolves
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lupercalia

>>50355879
It's objective truth. Your husbando looks like shit and his personality is shit.

>>50355895
>>50355931
I just don't want my dudes to be mistaken for juggalos

>>50355883
Sweet, thanks my dude. Claw+volkite it is.

>>50355982
you're playing night lords, it's too late to be worried about that

>>50355978
Sure you're not thinking of yourself?

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>>50355982
Your dudes will be mistaken for juggalos no matter what, anon. Not a matter of "if", but "when".
>>50355978
Girls like men who like children. And Curze finds them tasty. Jesus Christ this is so cringy I seriously can't make this up.
>>50356001
you're welcome

>>50356038
>Curze finds them tasty
He's right, you know.

Tasty, delicious children's flesh. I'm beginning to salivate.

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>>50356170
>The whole Imperium Secundus' face when Curze said the whole "I like children, they're tasty" line.gif

Can any of you lovely people recommend a case?
I have a warlord titan on the way, and it's occured to me it isn't going to fit in anything I own. Gonna be magnetizing the arms, carapace weapons and the waist to break it down smaller.

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Anyone have a digital copy of Master of Mankind they'd be willing to share?

>tfw they finally brought my boy Arkhan "It doesn't belong in a museum" Land into 30k

The only way this could get better is if they made him an actually character since Loyalist Mechanicum could use more of them.

*cough*Decima plz*cough*

>>50356261
There's only the hardcover available for now, only way we're getting it is if some absolute madman scanned it

>>50356242
What's wrong with loving the delicious taste of human?

>>50356261

Was Land mechanicus or was he just a dude with an engineering degree and a blatant disregard for the Omnisiah?

>>50356410
>Land
>disregard for the Omnisiah

He was as loyal as they come.

>>50356038
Man, Curze is such a tryhard edgelord that even the Dark Eldar thinks he is trying too hard. I'm glad that he is dead.

So with Inferno confirmed for december, will Magnus still be ready for release?

>>50356504
Wasn't the whole december thing a print mistake?

>>50356458
Funny how your post reeks of real tryhard.

And we don't have proof he's dead. Even the head M'Shen paraded through the streets wasn't his.

>>50356529
Thats a pretty big print mistake

>>50356531
He's as dead as horus and ferrus

>>50356539
Not quite. Anon said the WD magazine is made months before its release. So it was made before the delay was announced, and Inferno, originally book 4, will be due in Feb 2017

>>50356580
Horus is deader than both, for all we know Ferrus and Curze are being molested by Slaanesh for all eternity, Horus doesnt even exist.

After watchign Troy today, I was thinking about the possibility of a Horus Heresy version of the Trojan War complete with mutual respect for the enemy and 'rules' of war. Would any of the legions have had that with another on the other side?

>>50356539
WDs are printed 4 months in advance. So when it was printed in August they thought they'd have it done by December

>>50356615
God I wish I was Slaanesh

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>>50356628
>>50356604

anyone read sons of the forge yet?

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>>50356626
I doubt it, especially having the example of Loyalist WE becoming the Red Butchers, but the heresy was so big literally everything happened. Proof of that is the Iron Warriors' and Imperial Fists' example.

>>50355911
Lupercal isn't literally his surname, it's an affectionate / familiar title that the Luna Wolves give him that effectively becomes the second part of his name because it's used so much, he adopts it.
Like Aurellian with Lorgar.

>>50356410
Mechanicus, and like the other anon said he's loyal to the Emperor utterly and without question; he personally meets him and thinks he's the shit.

>>50356762
>Black Templars is the most tolerant chapter, they revere psykers and mutants where the Imperium at large hates them and works alongside the heretic due to "personal" reasons and being afraid of a couple of orks

Its like someone just hates Black Templars at GW HQ for no reason.

>>50356730
That would require someone here to have bought overpriced Nick Kyme garbage, and none of us is quite that stupid.

>>50356819
Rumour says it's because GW's gf cheated on the whole company with a BT player. So GW hates them now.

>>50356819
Did you read the Beheading? This story does not end well for the Templars.

>>50356838
Is Kyme really that bad? I'm very tolerant of scifi, even those dumb planetary flamers (we did get to the moon on a dare to pick some rocks)

>>50356885
His prose is awful, everytime I read him I feel like Im slogging through mud, everything's slow and nothing ever happens or catches my attention and the characters seem to just be there, like they're painted instead of being part of the narrative. Even the action is boring.

>>50356885
'That bad' depends on your personal tolerance for a predictable, limited and excitement-free writing style. Most authors have their 'things', but Kyme's are generally
>overuse of a specific set of metaphors, imagery and phrases. Like, serious overuse. I hope you like hearing about fire, the colour red, and smithing terminology
>leaden plots
>intellectually slow and boring characters
>taking characters or styles other, better writers introduced and then doing them markedly worse, in the main
>self-conscious attempts to do 'cool' and/or use new models
>maximum seriousness and false drama

His biggest pro is that his work isn't offensive, and as a company man, he rarely does anything that could be said to cause issues in terms of canon, tone or theme.

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>>50356808
Aurelian simply means golden

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>Q: How do special rules like Hatred, Preferred Enemy and Monster Hunter work when targeting a mixed unit that contains models your special rule effects as well as models it doesn’t?
>A: The rules mentioned are used if any model in the target unit is of the appropriate type.
>mfw Decapitation Strike Grants PE ICs.

>>50357083
Well, yes? Why they call him it is quite clear, it was an example of how an honoriffic name being attached ends up becoming the majority name.
Lorgar Aurellian
Horus Lupercal
are the same thing

Lorgar the Golden One
Leman of the Russ
Lion Son of the Forest

We just don't have a direct translation for Lupercal, though context implies it's something like an equiv to great wolf or whatever
>Horus is the top dog
deepest lore, Dan Abnett

>>50357218
Something I just realized: "Lion El'Jonson" can also directly translate to "Lion the Penis".

Fitting, since he's such a dick.

>>50357195
blat blat, fuckers

>>50357218
But I'm agreeing with you, man!
>>50357297
I've always thought it's strange to call your penis a "Johnson".

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>>50357327
Hello Independent Characters, Welcome to D I E

I've often wondered what Fulgrim means. It's the only one I don't get.

>>50357398
Like Angronius Tal'Kyr, his complete name is Full Grimdark. His foster parents were so poor they couldn't afford to give him a last name.

>>50357398
I think "ful" is Danish for ugly last time I checked which has been a while so please don't get upset if I'm wrong.

>>50357398
He went full grimdark.

>>50357423
His complete name is Fulgrim the Phoenician.

>>50357423
>Full Grimdark
You're a genius

I didn't know for years that Russ in Norway is this whole thing where traditionally the best students were called that and then it eventually turned into a big drunken festival.
At a certain level I do wonder if GW didn't luck into half these meanings, like was the Alpharius / Alphard thing planned for 26 years? Alan Merrett said Omegon always existed back, we just didn't get told for that long, I dunno man...

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>>50357451
Phoenician is also a title, having born from the ashed metaphorically since he built 110 000 marines out of less than 300 in but a few decades.
>>50357469
You should check this too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus'

Tarik means striker or to strike, became a name after some great military leader, in some contexts it means to knock or (oddly) to travel at night, which all got conflated into someone who knocks at night, which got corrupted into someone unwelcome who makes noises at night, which became basically an unquiet spirit or even poltergeist

>Tarik Torgaddon is a military leader who turns into both a ghost (or is he) and a daemon

Abnett and that deepest lore strikes again

>>50354127
Only battle automata, they're Stratos automata sadly

>>50357817
Hey you're right. And Thanatars are Siege automata. Huh, I never thought I'd see that difference come into effect.

>>50357572
And then there's Pedro Kantor in 40k :^)
Abnett does pick nice names.

>>50357974
>Gaunt

>>50358056
>Sharpe

>>50357817
ah, so they are
that's an interesting distinction I didn't even consider

>>50355278
Fierro Mariente.

>>50358133
>Cant

>>50358316
Fierro Manuel

Well had my first game of 30k


How do I kill castellax

Besides sniper vets

>>50358571
sniper vets
the D™
plasma support squads/vindicator squadrons/artillery squadrons(either flavour)

>>50358571
How many were there?

What's the consensus on named characters like Mor being able to buy legion wargear upgrades like cyber familiars?

>>50358571
Instant Death
Primarchs
Artillery
Cataphractii with fists

>>50358571
>>50358588
oh, and even though it doesnt kill them as such, weapons with blind are brutal against their I2

>>50355785
>Sicarius

Triggered.

>>50358607

4 and the dude who hung out with them

>>50358627

Was 1000 points

>>50358630

Huh no kidding.

>>50356302
But you can buy the eBook on black library's site?

>>50358666
>4
>fist game
stop playing with that guy

>>50358666
>4 castellax at 1k points
You play with assholes

>>50358777

He was pretty new himself and I don't really think he meant wrong.

>>50358571
Graviton, dreadnoughts and laser vindicators are pretty good against them.

>>50358777
>>50358802
All Cybernetica armies have a minimum of 4 Castellax. Not saying it's any easier to kill four of them at 1000pts, though.
>>50358904
Graviton isn't good against them, wounding them on a 6 and lacking any meaninful AP, as well as being Heavy. Dreads, more specifically Cortus could be nice, being immune to their S6.

>>50358992
I know they do, but taghmata exists as an alternative and using cybernetica at low points,especially against a newb, is equivalent to going to the zoo to club small animals.

>>50351816

I have it in PDF I think. Where can I upload it?

>>50358802

Would I be an asshole if I ran Primarchs chosen and sniper vets at 1000 points

>>50353803
Is that a work off the old pimp carnifex? I think we called it the Pimpfex

>>50359142
if thats the shit you're gonna deal with, pride of the legion and as many sniper vets as you can fit in transports/infiltrate

>>50359142
Thats like a primarch and 3 squads? Sounds awful for you.

>>50359163

That does sound like a hilarious counter list but Alpharius does have instant death at S6. Wish he had fleshbane desu

>>50359178

Its Alpharius and 5 vet squads with another 85 points of wargear

>>50359142
What legion? If you're running EC, DG, NL, AL or one of the others with access to instant death or buffed murderous strike you should be fine, otherwise just refuse to play that guy
>>50359201
That would be hilarious, but you want three stacked squads rather than five shit ones.

415-Alpharius
195-Sniper Vets, Rhino
195-Sniper Vets, Rhino
195-Sniper Vets, Rhino

>>50359239

Well, guess I didn't buy that Alpharius for nothing then

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>>50353043
>>50353060

>>50359082
zippyshare.com

Hey I'm doing some conversion work and I was wondering what the regular base size for the Thanatar automata is. Is it the standard monstrous creature 170x105mm one?

>>50359239
What you really need to do is play at 2.5k, where he cant bring his strongest units but you have enough flexibility to play around. Like plasma support squads with alphy's PE:everything to ruin his castellax

>>50355856
Too many? There is no such thing

>>50356261
audio and ebook will be released the 26th.

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>>50359435
>tfw hoping on seeing advice because the local mechanicum player never lost yet
>only see things already tried
>every time the guy either gets first turn and kills the rhino you plasma unit is in with 4-6 castallax before obliterating the plasma support squad with Thanatars, or deploys so far back that you need at leas one turn just to get closer
>assault units can't get around or through the 40-60 fearless meatbags in time
>thallax rape all other power armoured units with 2 phased plasma fusils and -2 cover
>enough magos to heal 6 wounds per turn

What's harder for a beginner, 40k or HH? I like the setting o HH more, but it seems different than other warhammers

>>50359709
Both games use the same main rulebook. Biggest difference is the way army composition works and the missions.

HH is generally more expensive but less open to abuse.
40k depends entirely on your local community. It can range from a group of fine gentlemen that are very considerate of their opponent's army strength with their armylists which enables a splendid game experience, to a group of immature man-children compensating for their insecurities with WAAC-fagging everything and throwing their money around to always have the latest steaming hot cheese to grind opponents into a fine mulch so fast and brutally it leaves you wondering if you just got raped. And then you find out your tires are slashed for good measure.

>>50359641
You could go all heavy mech one day, so his darkfires and Thanatars glance on sixes. Or borrow someones Death Guard for Morty and his ID scythe. But yeah, the average mechanicum is bullshit

>>50359768
What other merits does HH have??

>>50357469
>Alan Merrett said Omegon always existed back, we just didn't get told for that long, I dunno man...
Didn't Abnett also say he made that up as part of his list of wacky things to put into Legion?

>>50359768
HH is more balanced by dint of everyone(mostly) being on a level playing field in terms of power and availability of powerful units, as well as being more fluff-friendly for the most part.
>>50359902
if thats true, thats fucking hilarious and makes me like abnett even more

>>50359855
Traitor Legions have rules and aren't absolute shit.

DA/BA/SW aren't all about one concept spammed a thousand times.

Sniper Vets are almost literally the unit I always wanted to play.

>>50359927
I forget where I read it, but apparently when he pitched his plan for Legion he wrote up a list full of crazy shit to do figuring they'd reject most of his plans and he'd work from what they left him.

Instead they pretty much okayed the whole list.

>>50359158
Yes.

>>50359082
>>50359408

Here, bottom of the page: https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ!EVh0GZZS

redpill me on the night lords
if i'm used to playing a slow, tough legion(iron hands and mechanicum allies occasionally), would they be a good second army to learn?

>>50360248
I guess. T B H, they're no faster than any other, they're more of a CC nastyness and Fear-abusing force.Raven Guard, Sons of Horus, emperors children and White Scars are equally the gottagofast legions.

>>50360291

Don't forget BA and their 'all your jump units deep strike T1' RoW.

>>50360333
>>50360291
i'm not necessarily looking for something thats super gottagofast, but a change from my guys refusing to run or cut enemies down would be nice, and from what i've heard NL have a pretty good deepstrike game?

what book are the new RoW in(bitter iron, horror cult, serrated sun etc)? cant find it in the pastebin

>>50360470
6
>>50360341
They're decent at it, but the only real benefit they get is with their termies. Sons of Horus or Blood Angels, or even termiewing IW, seem more your cup of tea

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>>50360248
I think you'll find them very interesting. Not only do they lack the IW's immunity to breaking under fire, they can actually choose to fall back by auto-failing a pinning test. That'll add a new dimension to you game. And they fall back further. So yeah, you'll be moving a lot more than you currently are.

That expanded movement is still easier to adjust to than those gottagofast armies, because NL's extra movement only requires thinking a turn ahead or two. Scars need to have the next few turns planned out.

And you need to protect your warlord like crazy.

Usually if you run the Terror Assault RoW you end up using drop pods (and teleporting termies). Don't forget jetbikes can deep strike too. Your one heavy slot should be a flyer, like a Fire Raptor. With other RoWs you might not need the pods and just count on infiltrate.

>>50360638
i assume the terror squads should all get volkite chargers and probably pods, or just infiltrate? i'm trying to figure out how to handle spartans and the like and right now all i can think of is machine-killer vets with combimeltas when i'm limited to a single HS

>>50360638
heresy era doomrider wen?

>>50360652
I use three infiltrating terror squads with volkite, sargeants and meltabombs, a big assault blob with Batman and a Chaplain, and a drill/lance leviathan in a pod at 2k, at higher points i add in a pair of cortus dreads and some apothecaries. It struggles against some things, like multiple heavy transport lists, but single spartans, superheavies and Knights can be popped by the end of turn 2, and batman either feasts on their pitiful deathstar or, if its too tough for him to handle, they fly off and lead the enemy on a wild goose chase. If you dislike using Night Haunter, replace him and the dread in a pod with a Knight and you've got a list thats probably better all-around, i just like to use him.

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I'm really out of date on my Horus Heresy content: are there any canon cases of Emperor's Children loyalists besides those deployed to Istvaan III?

>>50360872
a ship of loyalists warns the manchurian commonwealth but they all died fighting the world eaters on board during warp travel

>>50360872
>>50360976
They still live!

Fuck Lucius and Eidolon!

Rylanor best Ancient!

>>50351783
Hey guys, I have a question about Heralds.

They have the support officer rule which means they can not be your compulsory HQ choice, but also rite of command which means they need to be the warlord but gives them acess to rites.

This means they turn everyone into Word Bearers regarding the need of at least two HQ guys...right?

>>50361073
Nah Rylanor practically guarenteed died at Istvann when Horus nuked the place for good measure. The only way he got out of there is when he happend to have some latent psychic ability and teleported away to a sunny beach, to wait out the rest of the heresy.

>>50361332
What about Cassian Dracos? He survived a lance strike on his position somehow.

>>50361332
>>50361348

Yeah!

And rylanor fought in the imperial governours palace!

Even better chances to survive, even though he is not box jesus.

>>50361348
That's because all salamanders got Nick Kyme quality plot armour, which is the best known protection across the universe.

>>50361348
dracos is in a box made by the big nig himself, and is also possibly psychic

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>>50351904
Too bad plasma cannons are ugly as sin

>>50361561

>Not using the superior, shoulder mounted variant.

man those are ugly. modern version it is then.

>>50361561
His poor wrist. That looks painful.

Would it be possible to play a fast Mechanicum army?
Use lots of Thallax, Vorax outflanking, Arlatax and aircraft. Add in some Ordo Reductor Triaros and Vindicators with Machine Spirit to carry your Myrmidons and you could be deceptively speedy for such a heavy army.

I've been working on ideas for a Traitor Mechanicum army, and I do want to use some of the HH6 things without models. Are there unwritten rules for scaling them and such, or can I go a bit nuts with the bitz box?

Was planning on converting Scoria first, and then making the Homonculex out of a Dark Eldar Talos pain engine.

>Iron Warriors are bitter that they don't get as much recognition as other legions, like the Imperial Fists
>HH Book 3 contains three Exemplary Battles for the Fists
>same book only contains a single Exemplary Battle for the Iron Warriors
Kek.

>>50361774
Definitely possible. Your tanks are pretty good and you have jetpack infantry out the wazoo. Now that Vorax can't be krak'd to death, they're substantially tougher too. For Homonculex, maybe make a jetpack Domitar? The model is great but the rules are thanatar-cynis tier, so giving it a reason to exist would be great.

Bringing an allied mechanicum force with some Thallax and a magos+six Vorax is a thing i'm going to do with my Night Lords eventually, i've always like the idea of terrifying murderbots working with terrifying murder-marines. Or maybe i'll just bring a Praevian for starters

>>50361774
This is what I plan to do when I start Mechanicum. Fast Reductor.

>>50361774
>moderately-kitted magi and pile of vorax
>two lots of six thallax
>two big units of thralls in pain trains
>two jets of preference
>two units of two siege vindicators, Krios or your preferred tank of choice
Adds up to around 2.5k, add a Knight or drop something to free enough points for a Warhound for the jump to 3k

>>50346311

That white stone base paint recipe, any chance of sharing it? :(

>>50352601
>gay under his eye

nice tat, lorgar

>>50361902
Yeah, that might work. I'd have to switch the weapons out of lightning claws, plus maybe add some extra parts here and there to make it clear they are different models. Shouldn't be too difficult.
I also really like the "robots count as 3 for A Talent for Murder" rule that makes is a lot more balanced allied with and/or fighting Night Lords.

>>50361955

I was planning on instead of putting the Thralls in Triaros, buying a unit of Grav-myrmidons and loading them up. That way I still have 40 bodies for backfield objectives, and the Myrmidons make an excellent surgical tool to remove irritating Primarch deathstar units.
Drop the Thralls to 3 each, use 2 Krios Venator and 2 Vindicators or Medusae, add 2 Lightning fighters (proxies are Hellblade fighters, because Xana II).

Instead of Vorax for the Reductor Magos, give him a Graviton Imploder and put him with the Myrmidons, and ally the Vorax in with Scoria and a unit of Castellax for Cybernetica, so you can Outflank in a Primarch, essentially. That also gives you an I+1 Arlatax, which takes you to 3k fairly neatly.

Also, that force should look awesome lined up, which is always nice.

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>>50361982

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scumbag elite

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>>50362426
>I don't want to sell it for £150
>I'd rather trade for something that costs £175
Cheeky little shit.

>>50359047
>going to the zoo to club small animals
Isn't that what Canada does in the national club a baby seal day or something? Being a dick is something people do, and you must be prepared for that

>>50360341
>>50360248
They can footslog well because the shortest route between point A and point B is to teleport or deepstrike on top of it. And they get bonus cover, which makes them better than IH against artillery

>>50361348
The Dracos Revenant was forged by Vulkan himself, and is immune to Lance. The nuke probably glanced him, immobilized him at best. And he's got IWND...

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>>50361896

>>50362512
Being a dick is only something people can do when they have someone to play with. If someone's masochistic enough to repeatedly play against an army that is as bullshit as cybernetica is at 1000 points, you better be roleplaying as a wallnigger

>>50360872
Doom Eagles are a loyalist millenial, Im sure theres others out there.

>>50362593
Seems like BS5 Sniper vets have trained for that day

>>50362593

Hi I'm that anon

Considering my options for our rematch. I was thinking about a dorito dread and snipermania.

>>50362620
>IF snipers have trained for the day when they would have to fight against the Mechanicum

>>50360219
I think he was asking for conversion so the codex gets formated clean like the Age of Darkness Army List, instead of the pdf version that currently exists.
But I can't convert it.

>>50362620
In rapid fire range, they do, lets see, around sixteen hits, of which all ~2.8 wounds are rends, so lets say that a unit thats standing in charge range of the murderbots can do two wounds after invuln saves. At a distance, thats one wound. There is a minimum of four of these dudes, each with four wounds, sitting around. The IFs will get torn apart by their bolt cannons at range, and if the castellax get into contact the rank and file will be essentially useless and a fist sarge can't carry the entire squad. This is discounting whatever the Mech guy had in addition to his magos and four castellax with his other 350 odd points. Even your wallhugging expertise cannot save you from the deathbots

>>50362731

Your math is awful.

>>50362731
5 Pfist Termies are cheaper than 2 Castellax, so if they get the charge I think they'll be alright, as they'll only lose 5/6 dudes in melee while one of the Castellax dies. This is regular Cataphractii, without Stormshields.

>>50362752
enlighten me. The squads have twenty shots, hit on 2s, rend on sixes and the castellax have 5++ saves. while i lack a calculator
>>50362794
thats right, termies probably would be a better investment than snipers, but i cant be bothered to mathammer out the averages for fists. Still, 2+4++ is way better simply because they can't be mauler'd and killed on 2s from a distance, and have a much, much better chance to survive and do damage in melee with their invuln

>>50362828

They wound on 4's, rend on 6's. You forgot the extra 5.55 armor saves.

Bad math.

>>50361963

Not too tricky - prime grey, paint Vallejo Sky Grey, wash with Army Painter Strong and Dark tones, drybrush with mixes of Sky Grey, Tan Earth, and White, going for a lighter tone towards the edges (darker underneath where the model will sit). Finish off with some limestone dust pigment.

>>50362620
Surprisingly, white scars and ultramarines actually do slightly better than the fists (and close-range SOH) providing they can activate their LA buff.

>>50362828
>but i cant be bothered to mathammer out the averages for fists
...but I already did. You think I make claims without doing the math first?!

>Castellax
4(1/2)(5/6)(1/2) = 5/6

>Cataphractii
4*3(2/3)(5/6)(5/6) = 5.555 Story of the Secret Solar System

>>50362914
Wait, no, I dun goofed. But they're close.

>>50362914
UM would need more people, which could be difficult at 1000pts, as would be bringing their more expensive Tyrants.
So, maybe it'll be better to bring regular Tyrants

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>>50362961
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>>50362903
oh yeah, sniper, not rending. My bad. Still, thats one dead castellax when shooting from close range, and the other one is within charge range, while its gun is able to kill ~2 marines per turn. If they can get in shooting range with both of them alive, they essentially halve the effectiveness of the enemy unit. Basically, unless you expressly build just to kill castellax you're gonna lose against a cybernetica list.

>>50362972
>Sniper vets vs castellax

Yeah, don't let people meme you. Sniper vets are decent but not Mechanicum killers. Dreadnoughts are what they fear. With armor 13 in the front, the only thing a castellax can do is try to smash it. Nothing else will scratch it.

>>50363220
>bring a zm-style force of two sniper vets in rhinos, a delegatus and three cortus dreads
I-I kinda wanna do this now, as one of the legions that gets kickass legion contemptors. Yay, a third legion

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>>50361807
There was a guy on Dakka who converted a Dark Mechanicum Army out of Dark Eldar parts, Dinobots, Heldrakes and Necron Wraiths. Ended up looking really good. I think he ran it as a normal chaos army.


http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1500/395043.page#5845165

>>50364036
I did see that one, but it's a bit beyond my skills and I want my 30k DarkMech to be more similar to their loyalist counterparts so I can run them as both, save the Traitor only aspects like Scoria and his Homonculex. If I make 40k DarkMech ever I will probably add some more chaos parts.
Xana II forces assisted the Great Crusade a few times in the lore, so I can paint my army up that way. Looks cool as well.

My Scoria will be a mishmash of Admech, Mechanicum and some Necron parts, and I'm not sure what to do for the Homonculex.

>>50362828
Where are you seeing castellax with a 5++? Because it's not in the taghmata army list.

>>50364709
>atomantic shielding
>5++ against shooting, 6++ in CC

>>50364321
That demon prince conversion would make a great Homonculex in my opinion. It's about as simple as conversions get once you have the parts. Just play around with blue tac till you get it how you like it.