Horus Heresy General /hhg/

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First for NEW KNIGHT!

http://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/11/21/new-forge-world-knight/

>>50336927
2nd for THICC

>>50336901
> mechanicum casual wear is also battle wear

>>50336942
>Bionic implementation & chill

>>50336901

Inferno in December or is it all just a misprint?

>>50337005
Yes. Inferno is in February.

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Does anyone know the colour recipe for the Thanatar-Cynis in the Mechanicum Support Cadre bundle? Want a colour less boring than brass for my Taghmata Xana.

>>50337040
You can always send FW an email and ask.
They're usually quite willing to assist.

>>50336927
Good lord it's beautful.

>>50337005
>>50337021
Unknown

It's unlikely that GW would print something that's blatantly untrue(false advertising). But that could be an old print of a WD and not a 'release' one.

At the same time supposedly FW hinted at Feb. But I don't recall any specifics. Unless FW explicitly said "Inferno in Feb." it could be December.

Do you guys build your armies based around one company, or make a combined arms?

>>50337336
One company will have combined arms, though.

So, to answer your question: Yes.

XANA TRANSFER SHEET WHEN

Master of Mankind spoilers from reddit

The Emperor doesnt' seem to consider the Primarchs legitimate sons, he calls them specimens with their number creation. i.e. Fulgrim was "Three"

fucking ADB and his fucking daddy issues again

>>50337468
HOUSE VYRONII TRANSFER SHEET WHEN

We've seen it, damn it!

>>50337479
Yeah we knew man, there was mad spoilers in the thread yesterday from an anon who had a copy

Basically all you need to know is that Arkhan land is a fucking grade-A baller

>>50337520
and then be disappointed that all we get as his legacy is the debased tracked version of his Raider, since his original is fucking Grav...

>>50337520
didn't check tg yesterday so missed it

still pisses me off

>>50337545
And it has a ball mounted turret of 4 volkite culverins

But hey, his speeder is still grav, that counts for something.

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Just finished this Centurion cunt. Made him way, way too dirty though. Oh well.

*CHOOM*

>>50337568
>what are archives

>>50337568
Yeah it's shitty, it makes even less sense when you think about the only reason the Emperor didn't immediately delete Horus from existence once he boarded the Vengeful spirit was the fact that he still loved him and couldn't bring himself to kill his favourite son

Fucking ADB

>>50337614
>no butchers nails

do you even WE

>>50337568
Don't forget Angronius!

>>50337614

>bigbuduh man you smmayin we got some nails and sheet
>imma shoot some po op don't try an stop me man

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>>50337635
Nah, they're there, on the right side of his head. It's a bit hard to make out from this picture, but he uses the head of the Ultramarines legion herald guy.

>>50337681
>/pol/posting about a member of the most savage and ill-disciplined of the legions being black

I'm not sure what you're trying to get across, anon.

>>50337479
Yeah, no shit they're not real sons. It's one of the few things that Merrett, ADB and Thorpe actually agreed on.

>>50337731
Fair enough, he looks good IMO.

I like his cape, makes me want more marines with capes

What are you using him for? Delegatus? Siege breaker? Legion champion? I think he could fill a lot of roles well

>>50336901
So I'm looking at the Cybernetica Battlegroup bundle, which has six Thallaxii. But none of them seems to come with any weapon upgrades (the plasma fusils, multimeltas, etc.)

Are my only options to convert or buy recasts, or will I simply have to either play with unupgraded Thallaxii or shill out for more Cohorts with upgrades?

>>50337816
Capes are great, and easy as hell to make with GS.

And I just run him as a champion in big games, and a delegatus in smaller ones. Speaking of Siege Breakers, though, how do you folk generally go about modelling them? Want to take one for my Fists side-project.

How do we fix champions.

>>50337925
Initiative boost.

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>>50337925
pierce armor to deal with archer lines.

>>50337925
Give them Paragon Blades.

>>50337776
>Yeah, no shit they're not real sons
In a rts game, age of empires, I micromanaged a lone Heavy cavalry unit to dodge a bunch of catapult projectiles, which stalled the enemy pc and bought time for the rest of the army to arrive.
I reckon I have as much love for that unnamed collection of bits as Emps has for the Primarchs.
R.I.P. in pieces, unnamed cataphract hero.

>>50337614
did you use the FW recipe for your world eater? I'm thinking about making a pot of that drakenhof/nuln/lahmian/water mix and trying the sponge method out on some models tonight.

>>50337776
no shit they aren't, but he treated them LIKE his real sons. the big reason why he couldn't kill horus instantly during the final battle was because he hesitated, due to his love for his son.

but its okay, they'll retcon that sad, human moment to bullshit where horus is too powerful for the emperor to defeat, but horus loses his powers after he breaks the emps back, because chaos wants him to fail. just like how the guy who gets killed by horus got changed to a perpetual.

>>50338000
Nah, I brush.

Making a pot of that mixture is a hell of a good investment for your eaters, though. Post pics of your progress, KA.

anyone notice that the legions who have dead primarchs are the ones with gene seed problems in 40k? TS excepted, of course. And yes IHs have a fucking problem.

>>50338158
Imperial Fists are fine. And the Ultramarines (though Guilliman technically isn't dead, I guess). The Dark Angels and White Scars are also fine, though their Primarchs aren't confirmed dead.

So yeah, the Imperial Fists.

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>>50338158
>being black and immune to flame is a problem

>>50338158
your father dying will normally be a traumatic experience.

>>50338190

The implication there being that Dorn and Alpharius or Omegon isn't dead

>>50338206

What part of Vulcan Lives (matter) do you not get

>>50338150
I've got an empty bottle of lahmian meme-ium I'm gonna fill up with the stuff, hopefully this method works better for my skill level because making thin lines with wash in white recesses ends up with michael j fox marines.

>>50338232
>in 40k
Didn't he die (again) in battle against The Beast on M32?

>>50338258

I didn't read it but that never stopped him before

>>50338158
raven guard have unstable geneseed, and their primarch isn't dead

>>50337960

>A fellow AoE 2 fan

My brother of unknown descent.

>>50338270
I think warp power was involved. That can kill a perpetual. That's the way vampires and werewolves operate, so for once that's a thing BL is being consistent with.

>>50338301
Meanwhile the IW have better geneseed than the SW, and their primarch is now a literal daemon.

>>50336927

Baron's back baby!

>>50338306

>warp power

They stabbed him with a piece of the emperors own lightning and took away his perpetual powers and he STILL got back up.

He's fine

>>50336936
>>50338371
More like Baron GOT back amirite fellas

>>50337871
Maybe try kitbashing them? Lightning Guns have a vague enough stock that you could easily stick a plasmagun nozzle onto it and it'd look OK.

>>50337614
This guy looks awesome, great work Brother!

>>50338715
>Maybe try kitbashing them? Lightning Guns have a vague enough stock that you could easily stick a plasmagun nozzle onto it and it'd look OK.

Yeah, I've been considering that. The lightning guns do look similar, and I have several plasma pistols in my bits box.

Can someone tell me where the Phased Plasma-fusil's weapon profile can be found in the Taghmata Army List book? I've been scrolling up and down the wargear section for half an hour an I just can't find it. Am I retarded? Please help.

Mechanicum players, do you find Enhanced Targeting on your Castellax worth it normally?

Tinkering with my lists and it does add up to a lot of points.

Also, when running Reductor armies, do you use any battle-automata, what vehicles do you prefer and how do you outfit your artillery?
Sorry to spam questions like this, making my first lists and want to know if there are any "must takes" or conventions I should probably follow, or is most Mechanicum stuff good? Plan was basic Matrix of Ruin, plus some Myrmidon Destructors and maybe some Castellax to start.

>>50338916
The only "must takes" are units that you think are cool as fuck (provided it fits within the restrictions of your army)

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put on the FW recipe wash mix for my world eater test dude and I already like it better than agrax for recesses. will try to sponge the bastard later.

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>>50338888
I can't find it in the taghmata book either, but here's the wargear page from the legiones astartes book, just so you have the profile.

>>50337984
Luckily we have Phoenix Spears, Murderswords and Glaives.

That is enough.

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>>50339005
Thank you, based anon. At least I'm not an idiot, then. Though it's weird that Forge World would omit/forget to put in such a common weapon.

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>>50338973
Not that anon
>mfw the entire codex is cool as fuck
>even the fucking tarpit
Whyyyyyyyy

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>>50339005

That's barely readable. Here, have this.

>>50338973
But anon, I think all the Mechanicum are cool as fuck.
Thanks, though, nice to know nothing is shit. I do like pretty much every unit save Domitars, Myrmidon Secutors and the Krios Venator in looks, so I think I'll go Reductor and ally in some Cybernetica later once I have some robots. Seems to me that big tanks, shooty priests and big guns screened by Thralls and Thallax is about perfect for what I want. Essentially, I play robo-guard.

Maybe add some planes as well, close air support covereth a multitude of sins.

>>50339070
So you buy everything.
Do it.
DO IT.

>>50339087
You got the wrong one. That doesn't have the phase plasma-fusil.

>>50338916

No. Castellax are walls that hit just as hard as they take. They want to be in melee, I think. Taking them as gunplatforms is wasting them. Their BS4 is sufficient. If you're running them, you're running squads of 2+, so ETAs on them all would get cost-prohibitive. An ETA is best on a Paragon Thanatar.

For the Ordo Reductor artillery, I think that depends on your enemy. In a general case, you should make them do what the rest of your army can't - that means either Earthshaker or Medusa.

>>50339125
Ok then, those can be my giant battering rams and bullet magnets while my Thrall tarpits tarpit and artillery hammers anything that disagrees with them too much, and if something really dangerous shows up I can shoot it with Grav Imploder Myrmidons.

I like this army already.

>>50336901
I think they might do their own psychic discipline for thousand sons, remember the renegade and heretics one?

Maybe each squad gets sth like that according to your cult choice.

>>50338888
It is in the taghmata book, on the knight weapons page

Can someone convert this(Taghmata Army List in epub) to pdf and post link here?
http://www111.zippyshare.com/v/ubR1X6xt/file.html

>>50339405
Oh man, it is. I didn't even know Knights could use them. Oh well. Thank you!

>>50339405
>like 5+ mechanicum/reductor units can take weapon
>precisely 1 knight can take it, as a secondary weapon
>put rules on the knight page only
Forgeworld are so silly sometimes.

>>50339573
Right? That's seems like the most hilarious (and infuriating) oversight.

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>>50339485
Highlighting that this was posted.

>>50339723
I did see it but I tried to convert it the first time it was posted and wasn't able. Srry.

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C&C of this Cybernetica list, please? It's my first goal of models to get (Already have the Knight), based on the Cybernetica Battlegroup.

>>50339892
ETA is only ever worth it on castellax when you have Darkfire Cannons. Multimeltas are not really worth it. I did a similar list a week back but a few things are swapped out. You also had no anti-air, and one of us has our thanatar costs wrong

315-Scoria-Abeyant

230-2x Castellax-Power Blades
280-2x Castellax-Darkfire, ETA
320-6x Thallax, Ferrox, Heavy Chainblades

175-Vulturax

300-Thanatar-ETA, Paragon

380-Knight Errant,Ocular Augmetics

>>50339966
I have ETA on all of them mostly to fill out the points, and the Multimeltas because that's what the Cybernetica Battlegroup bundle comes with.

I'm not sure how to get my hands on Darkfire cannons outside of scratchbuilding them. The ~15% discount on the Castellax models (And thus the entire package) is tempting, even with the multimeltas.

>>50340062
If thats the case, you would be better off dropping points everywhere else and making a smashfucker HQ, since mechanicum characters are killy as fuck unless they fight a primarch or siggy

>>50340123
>unless they fight a primarch or siggy

Why did you say the same thing twice?

Does anyone have an opinion about the Thanatar Calix? ETA + Paragon = 345pts for something with a single 60" S10 gun plus complementary dakka that wants to get close to forts so it can poke them with the D. Even so, that's a lot of points.
>>50340123
He's using a regular Dominus, those pale when compared to Primes and such. Maybe an ArchDominus, or maybe >>50339892 drop a few points here and there and make those Thralls Fearless / give the Thallax some Meltabombs.

>>50340123
What would a Smashfucker Magos look like? Archmagos Prime with a Cortex Controller, a master-crafted Powerfist, an Abeyant, Machinator Array, and Malagra?

Please be nice, I have only the slightest grasp on what half of that stuff does.

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>>50340211
>Highest resilience
Take a Machinator array and an Abeyant
Archmagos Dominus and Lacryaemarta have FnP
>Highest offensive power
Power fist + Paragon Blade + Rad grenades
Reductor Magi have higher strenght
Malagras have +1 WS and attack, along with PE(characters) and Monster Hunter.
Your magos may or may not have a Rad Furnace

>>50340187
Siggy's only good in a fight, a bit like Angron. Kinda primarchy, i guess.
>>50340210
Its shit, plasma mortars of either variety are amazing but a single s10 shot and a melee weapon on something that's easily tarpitted, moves six inches a turn and cant run? trash. And i meant taking an Archdominus with all those wasted points and making it actually dangerous
>>50340211
Look up Arch Dominus, but your malagra works too. Magos of any variety are terrifying because they have so many options

>>50337998
>Byzantines
>Not being behind walls
Dorn is disappoint.

>>50338190
>Imperial Fists are fine
Can't spit acid.

>>50340325
They had that problem before Dorn died/went missing.

>>50340271
>easily tarpitted, moves six inches a turn and cant run
That's why I was asking for the Paragon of Metal version. Those ignore Programmed behaviour, so they can run and sweep without a Controller caretaker. So it would be able to sweep an infantry unit trying to tarpit it since most weapons cannot wound it (or at least make them run), and those that can are I1, and its sidearm is AP3 pinning, with Rampage.
My concern is this would not be enough?
>>50340303
It was even earlier, in Rise of Rome when cataphracts were non-specific elite cavalry. And yet, Dorn would be glad of fighting alongside the Companion Cavalry, the Hetaireia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetaireia

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I'm trying to decide between Iron Warriors, Death Guard or White Scars. Do you guys have any suggestions?

>>50340391
>Iron Warriors and Death Guard
>or White Scars
It's like choosing between burgers, beef or hot cakes. What do you like of each?

>>50340211
>What would a Smashfucker Magos look like?

Scoria

>>50340437
>Scoria
Don't you hate those characters that make their generic counterparts obsolete?
>Decima Invictus
Eh, not really, no :^)

>>50340391
Do you like going fast or gunlines? Personally I like the White Scar rules, they're fun, fluffy and require you to always move so gunlines are not an option but otherwise their rules are generic enough so as to support any other playstyle.

>>50340420
Yeah I know they are all very different.

Likes
Iron Warriors: Heavy equipment, sieges

Death Guard: Played them in 40k, enjoy their colors and armor

White Scars: Super fast space mongols, seem like cool dudes

Dislikes
Iron Warriors: Don't like building or painting vehicles

Death Guard: Primarch is dumb, legion itself doesn't seem to have much personality

White Scars: White and red are a bitch to paint

>>50340391
Iron Warriors.

Go with huge tac blobs. Fix bayonets when needed.

>>50340388
oh, paragon, my bad. They're still insanely expensive, and not very good at all. A single s10 shot per turn is not good at all, and very few people bother to take fortifications. As far as running and such, thats true, but sweeping? You have what, two, three attacks? You might kill one regular, 12.5 point marine per turn and be tarpitted the entire game by a unit that costs two-thirds of yours, without even being able to use your lascannon. You won't be winning combat by much, much less sweeping with your i2. If you regularly fight an Imperial Fist all castled up, it might be less trash, since the Calix costs as much as the smaller fort, which is the only one i've ever seen actually used in game. But the model itself is pure sex, so take it if you want.

>>50340491

>white and red are a bitch to paint

Learn to prime White well. You'll have to relearn everything compared to priming black but once you do it's not all that bad.

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>>50340491
>Primarch is dumb, legion itself doesn't seem to have much personality
>Nathaniel Garro is half the reason Horus couldn't Sweep Advance Terra
>Rask was a chapter master siege breaker, fanatic supporter of Mortarion
>Morturg is a disgraced librarian sentenced to Destroyer duty. Survives Istvaan and tags along Decima as a blackshield zombie psychic cyborg in the Halo stars
>Typhon is a whole character unto himself, and a dual Chapter Master Librarian on a legion that hated them. Also has a chem orbital bombardment, literally invented Grave Wardens and is based in the Terminus Est, THE poison ship
>Mortarion endures a lot, and is eventually forced to become that which he hates. Also rammed a starship into a hive city on purpose. Read Daemonology.
If you don't like the Death Guard then just say it, pal. No need to lie :)

>>50340391
Iron Warriors. Other legions run out of bodies too fast.

>>50340391
Iron Warriors.

Literally have more ammo and armor than several legions combined.

>>50340635
>>50340609
>>50340522
I like blobs of men so I'll go with them. Thanks for the advice. Better practice my hazard mark painting skills.

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>>50340532
Up to six attacks if you charge (Rampage is D3). But yeah, hardly a melee machine with WS3 and I2
>But the model itself is pure sex, so take it if you want.
I know, that's the problem!

>>50340651
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5xalX3aKAs

>>50340651
Get Tamiya 2mm masking tape.

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>>50340391
The one with an actually interesting paint scheme.

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Would this be acceptable to use if I file the chaos star off his pauldron and switch his power pack out for a mark III one?

>>50341204
White Scars then!

You Castellax experts are making me feel a little silly for using a Forge Lord just so I can bring one, but it's for fluff reasons. My list in general is at least half fluff reasons so I'm just gonna get used to the expectation of being tabled.

>>50341220
There's nothing wrong with the pack he has now. The Anvilus-pattern was in standard service.

>>50341220

1) Yes

2) don't have to but you can if you want, those packs existed in the heresy

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>>50341220
I think Anvillus is a thing? It's up to you, MkIII is nice.

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>>50341222
Dirty white looks better than pure white.

>Emperor, Malcador, all the primarchs, and each primarch's favored gene-son all gather together in celebration of an archaic Terran feast known as "Thanksgiving"

What happen

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>>50341269
That model isnt MkIII, its modified MkVI.

>>50341220
You can use it as is imo, I see no problem in heretics having one or two heretic symbols in their armors.

>>50341301
Emperor sees his kids as tools, didnt you see the MoM spoilers

>>50341334
>Emperor sees his kids as tools
That explains... too much, really.

Still, maybe Malcador wanted him to get everyone together or something? Who knows...

>>50341301
The Triumph at Ullanor is what I can think of
>>50341334
>My living jizz samples could use the morale boost and nutritional value an ancient terran turkey can bestow them. Land, have you got the turkey ready?
>Yes my Lord. Once I extract all the poison it goes straight to the volkite oven
>Excellent. Yes Malcador, it is too late for Femarchs.

>>50341368
I honestly don't see it as a problem. If anything, like you said, it explains a lot. The only one I can see him having any meaningful long-term feelings for is Horus.

>>50341411
>Once I extract all the poison
kek

>>50341301
Whatever happens, Angron will probably do something violent and stupid.

>>50341438
>>50341334
As the anon who posted those spoilers I should say again that there's an 'out' if you don't like this development by saying again that the two people he talks about the primarchs like this to are
>Land
Who (literally) sees the Emperor as the Omnissiah, the ultimate dispassionate scientist, and
>Ra Endymion
The Custode Tribune the Emperor spends most of the book talking to and who already thinks the Primarchs were a mistake and feels that the Custodians are the only ones of his creations that the Emperor actually cares about.

So you could just choose to interpret it as the Emperor is manipulating them by presenting his attitude to the Primarchs as ones they will like, or even that they 'hear' him referring to them as creation number and It instead of name and He in much the same way they see the Emperor as a lab-coated science god and the golden master of mankind respectively.

Personally I roll with the Emperor literally said that, but the 'out' is there for you if you want, I would reckon.

>>50341538
I like that. I still think that he actually said it, but I can get the viewpoint of his words changing depending on who hears them.

>>50341263
>>50341265
>>50341269
>>50341305
Thank you all, I just didn't want him to look out of place among Prospero IIIs.

>>50341411
>living jizz samples
laughingeldarwhores.jpg

>>50341438
He definitely had feelings for Horus. If he hadn't, he could've brought himself to psychically obliterate his son a lot sooner, saving his own life and possibly even that of Sanguinius as well.

The Imperium went to shit precisely because the Emperor really does have feelings.

>black library
Not even once.

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>>50336901
Has anyone magnetized Castellax? Primarily the shoulder weapon and the wrist-mounted boltguns/flamers. Is it difficult?

>>50341305
I was talking about the MkIII backpack looking nice, not to mention
>Note the Iron Pattern armour...
Also, I'll never recognize that MkIV upgrade pack ( https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-WW/Legion-MKIV-Power-Weapons-Set ) as MkIII, especially since it's a weapons pack that for some reason has torsos in it, and it contradicts all HH examples.

are destroyer squads gud?

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>>50336901

/HHG/, I love big, meaty blobs of tactical marines advancing at supre DISCIPLINED speeds.

Now, I'm stuck deciding whether I want an Ultramarine Logos Lectora list (versatile blobs with MoS big gun support) or a basic Imperial Fist list (best bolters in town, scary devastators) or maybe even some Loyalist Dusk Raiders with The R(e)aping

I'm pretty much set on wanting to paint a non-standard colour scheme of predominantly stone grey & parchment white, so besides the crunch I'm also deciding on what accent colour to go with (blue/red, yellow/red, red/red)

>>50341754
UMs are roman, IF are...emotionless? I can't imagine prussian marines, srry.
>stone grey & parchment white
So, DG?

>>50341754
Find a successor chapter with colours like that and take inspiration. Iron Snakes are grey + white with red trim, for example. Do the Ultramarine logo and squad markings in Ultramarine blue instead of white.

>>50341795
Describe them without using references to a real world culture.

>>50341827
Ultramarines are organized, civilized and superior.

>>50341827
Ultrasmurfs are boring
Fists are masochists

>>50341827
Ok I'll try
>UM
Proud Discipline, serried ranks with banners held high, the UM are generalist legionaries that can become more than the sum of their parts but their specialist support is expensive heavy infantry: offensive melee, defensive melee and expensive but powerful ranged.
Ironically, despite being the biggest legion their LA rule encourages MSU spam

>Iron Warriors
Bolter and blade, their characters are champions, each marine is a peerless rifleman / Heavy weapons operator, and not only are they difficult to rout once they dig in, but can also take to the offensive with several teleportation tactics, as well as making literal shield walls.

>>50341930
Nice. Thank you.

>>50341754
>Stone Grey and Parchment White
Ah, so Pre-Heresy Word Bearers!

A nice scheme. You could fluff it as them not having enough time to switch over to the Red/Black as they began intense fighting against Loyalists.

>>50341977
WTF I wrote Iron Warriors intead of IF.
Kek I guess I'm too much of a trench nigga. I'm far too shell shocked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW08whtGy6o

This may be a noob question, but is it worth taking a siege breaker for phosphex shell medusas?

>>50342062
Phosphex on medusas is kinda pointless, since everything the phosphex can damage, the Medusa shells can damage too. The only phosphex substantially better than regular is the quad mortar ones, which destroy marines better than anything else. So not really, siege breakers are only good when taking lots of mortars

reading these MoM spoilers really does encourage headcanon over BL desu, its all been downhill since the fucking cabal.

unrelated, built a primus medicae but have no apothecary specific bits on him + left one hand empty, suggestions on what would make him look more medical?

Does Sunder lets you reroll Haywire attacks?

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>>50341709
Anyone?

>>50342119

Auspexes and servo-skulls if you've got any laying around the bitz box. Hack up a chainsword blade and attach to the bottom of a gauntlet as a makeshift amputation saw. Beyond that, colour scheme is the most important.

>>50342168
No, because Sunder interacts with armour penetration rolls and Haywire doesn't do armour penetration rolls.

>>50342449
Thanks

>>50342529
One is happy to be of service

>>50341754
>That banner
>U_U

>>50342562
thanks, now i'll never unsee that

>>50341713
The torsos in that pack are Mk IVs that have been reinforced with armour plating taken from Mk III suits.

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alright, I've rethought and rebuilt my Shattered Legions Siege of Terra list. I'm going to add some heavier, fancier shit (including custodes deathstars) to it when it approaches higher points levels, but for now I think it's pretty alright.

Shattered Legions – 2000 pts – Imperial Fists and Blood Angels

-HQ-
Blood Angels Praetor - 190
-Blade of Perdition
-Artificer Armour
-Digital Lasers
-Iron Halo
-Jump Pack

Imperial Fists Siege Breaker Consul - 115
-Combi-Plasma
-Artificer Armour

-TROOPS-
Legion Assault Squad (BA) – 260
-Combat Shields
-2 Power Weapons
-Sergeant w/Twin Lightning Claws and Artificer Armour

Legion Assault Squad (BA) – 260
-Combat Shields
-2 Power Weapons
-Sergeant w/Power Fist and Artificer Armour

Legion Breacher Siege Squad – 270
-Nuncio Vox
-Legion Vexilla
-2 Meltaguns
-Sergeant w/Artificer Armour & Melta Bombs

-ELITES-
Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (IF) - 230
-5 Additional Marines
-Legion Vexilla
-Heavy Bolter
-Plasma Gun
-Sergeant w/Artificer Armour and Power Fist

Rhino Dedicated Transport - 55
-Dozer Blade
-Multi-Melta

Legion Rapier Weapons Battery - 240
-3 Quad Mortar Batteries with Phosphex Shells

-HEAVY SUPPORT-
Legion Heavy Support Squad (IF) - 325
-5 Additional Marines
-Missile Launchers w/Flakk

-FORTIFICATION-
Wall of Martyrs Imperial Bunker - 55

>>50341713
Mate, that's reinforced MkIV.
Look at the Champion FW sells, an anon once posted his compared to MkIV and MkIII, and showed that it was indeed, MkIV with extra armor, rather than attemped triggering of armor autism.

>>50341305
>That model isnt MkIII, its modified MkVI.
It looks like a mix to me. The legs are indisputably Mk VI, but the torso and helmet are Mk III-ish, kind of. The shoulders and arm just look like Mk VII, like most of the pre-Forge World attempts at models wearing older armour Marks.

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Does this piece look 'Apothecary-ish' enough that you would be cool playing against a MkIII marine with this, a flashlight on his pack and a chainfist bit on him as an apothecary?

>>50342874
So long as you're playing Emperor's Children, sure.

>>50342874
Sure. You may have some trouble fitting a MK III head in with the raised gorget though.

>>50342903
Eh, it's just a regular aquila, not the fancy Palatine Aquila that ECs had. I wouldn't worry about it.

>>50342874
Forgot, I'm going to be adding vials.
>>50342903
And trimming off one eagle head.

The idea is the torso looks up armored like most MkIII, but is done in a way to still provide protection while kneeling, and the cloth can be painted white to show the marines specialization.

But no I will be playing space wolves.

>>50342852
The breachers are doing very little except taking up space. Other than that, claws on sergeants is mediocre since every sergeant always has Arty armour.
Your mixed weapons on your vets are weird, i would rather go for two of the same, probably the plasma guns since you're paying a premium for one or two extra +1s shots, which in heresy environments may as well be AP-.
Your bunker would be better off with the ammo bunker rerolling 1s

The siege breaker does little for the force, since you already have Tank Hunter heavy supports. I would replace it with a Forgelord holding a jetpack and rad grenades. Phosphex is incredible at killing marines, but regular shells are also pretty damn good and are better against terminators

If you want to keep the phosphex, I would drop the breachers and bring three sets of two quad mortars instead, with a mix of phosphex (killing infantry) or the s8 shells (light and medium vehicles and forcing saves with regular shells on 2+ infantry). If you decide to drop phosphex, then just take them in the second config.

>>50342941
What's the difference between the regular aquila and the Palatine aquila?

>>50342853
>an anon once posted his compared to MkIV and MkIII
Oh you're right. But I forgot to save that pic!

>>50343014
One is the Emperor's, the other is the Imperium's

>>50343010
Alright, I'll add in the ammo dump and drop the Siege Breaker for something else. Not entirely sold on the forge lord, but I may take a master of signal to hang out in the back field. And I can get rid of the heavy bolter for a plasma gun, that sounds pretty reasonable. I just like heavy bolters.

I was thinking of keeping the assault sergeants swinging at initiative to make an attempt at forcing through wounds, but do you reckon it'd be more worth it to take power fists or axes?

>>50343042
Yeah, but what's the visual difference?

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>>50343223
As long as it doesn't look like this you can argue you're doing nothing wrong.

>>50343205
>I just like heavy bolters.
we all do, its just that they suck
>forge lord
Forgelords and Chaplains are the best non-support-officer consuls, so i gravitate towards them. Do you need a compulsory HQ for shattered legions?
>initiative
Its alright for legions with sergeant ap2 and mediocre for those with rending, but otherwise you're relying on pushing through a 2+. Fist if you want to maybe ID a multiwound model, axe if you want to keep your +1 attack from your pistol.

>>50343263
Yeah, basically this. The Palatine Aquila's a more ornate version. It often includes elements of the Emperor's pre-Crusade heraldry too, like lightning bolts.

>>50337273
They said Inferno in feb at the Open Days.

To me the use of aquilae by The Emperor's Children versus other Legions is a matter of its use as HERALDRY. The Aquila as an icon worked into the stuff of which wargear is made is a universal ornamentation in the Imperium.

Specifically bearing the Aquila as your standard, the heraldry by which your Legion is signified, THAT is the privilege granted the Emperor's Children.

Besides, that torso is baller as fuck, the tassets are fucking rad. And I have shamelessly raided the GW Sternguard box for bitz. It has heavily modified enough MkVII that those pieces work well for artificer, and there are plenty of period appropriate pieces as well - including that weird, endearingly ugly "anteater" style variant of the MkIV helm.

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Who would do this to a Primarch.

Why.

>>50343290
>Be Dark Angels
>Actually have good Heavy Bolters
First Legion Best Legion. Absolute broken cheese. #MakeAstartesGreatAgain

>>50343835

T-Tommy Wiseau?

>>50343868
Tommy Wiseau is the Emperor.

>>50343835
Barring the face, its not that bad. Unless its being marketed as propainted, not that bad. About the same level as Hairy Horus. Still better than Knightanon

>>50343752
>heavily modified enough MkVII that those pieces work well for artificer
Using the "but artificer armour" excuse for putting Mk VII pieces in Heresy armies always seemed kinda lazy to me, DESU. I guess the official art's done it before as well, though.

>>50343906
"better than Knightanon" is not setting the bar very high.


...either way I think my fists look better than that, that kurze looks like a shitty toys r us toy.

Is it possible for an army of dark compliance to be made up of black shields? I was under the impression these things were mutually exclusive, but I been getting told I am wrong at LGS

>>50343995
I don't see any rule preventing this. They are just an alternative Legiones Astartes rule that has provisions like no RoWs but can use alternate charts.

>>50343906
You know what, you're not entirely wrong. The execution is alright, but the colour palette is just nightmarishly garish.

Why are the Sisters of Silence taller than Marines?

>>50343924
Unfortunately Mk. VII+ is really the only one with sweet iconography on the chestpiece. Especially if your Legion gets support in 40k.

There's a reason all my DA dudes with AA have Mk. VII torsos. It's just too good to give up.

>>50344047
Fetish.

Also heels.

>>50343993
Its the colour usage, the technique is fine. Your fists don't even get painted in the lines, remember :^). Theres an excessive use of blood, the red is stupidly high contrast, the Gold is BAngel gold rather than the duller, brassier NL gold, and the blue is worst offender, being six shades too bright to be in midnight clad, but the bones and everything bar the face is decently painted. And very few people paint faces well

>>50343868
The Emperor is using me, and I am his fool.

Oh hi, Dorn, how's your sex life.

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>>50343868
>>50343898
>YOU'RE TEARING ME APART, HORUS!

>>50343835
>>50344079
From the thumbnail I thought it was a pretty okay Guilliman in retro ultramarine colors.

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Speaking of Night Lords...

18 legions diorama guy here, did the sketch for the NL guy, had to shorten the chainglaive to fit the paper, but well, it couldn't be helped.

Thinking of doing the IW or WB next.

Now with actual image!

>>50344047

Power heels. Gives them jumps like Gabriel Angelos.

>>50344503
Liking it, blue could be a bit darker (in midnight clad) and the chainglaive does look a bit stubby, but other than that looks amazing

T. Edgelord player

>>50341754
Goodtaste, whyy not doing Lunar Wolves?

But yeah, loyalist Word Bearers or an inverted Ultramarine "snow camo" pattern with whiteish armour and blue Us like anon recommended sounds best for that.

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>>50336936
No this is thicc

>>50344657
Why does this exist?

>>50344729
Rule 34 might be a relic from the early ages of the internet, but it's even more true now than it was during its inception

>>50344729
The mechanicus has some dark secrets

>>50344657
I've been searching for an image I saved an age ago of a thicc as fuck Imperial Knight, but for the life of me I can't find it.

You win this round.

Fucking kill me

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>>50344890
I requested it months ago on a /aco/ drawthread, it's just cropped a little but there is more that I can't find

>>50344919
Muh nigga, that's the exact one. Danke

>>50343014
Palatine has some lightning bolts coming out the claws, regular Aquila is just two headed eagle

Okay so got the December white dwarf in the mail today, should I scan it tonight or just wait for Scanon's superior version to arrive

>>50345234
just give us a review

>>50345249
Will do when back from work

>>50344919
Does the artist have anywhere they regularly post stuff?

if we disregard thiccc knights and warhounds, does scyllax rad engine, rad furnace and rad grenades stack? if so - why aren't more people running a magos reductor with scyllax bodyguards in a triaros?

>>50345387
Because that would cost +1000 points to be effective, while being just as vulnerable as primarchstars to having their ride killed on the other side of the table and much more vulnerable to massed shooting

What's a good generalist knight? Thinking about getting one, but just one and want to able to slap it almost anywhere. I play IW&WE

How did one fix an epub when there's just words scattered across the screen with the background image having a random size ? Trying to convert the Mechanicum Epub posted earlier but when I open it the pages are just a mess.

>>50345665
Uhlan destroys MEQ, but isnt the greatest against vehicles outside of melee. Atrapos deals with everything decently well, and is a great counter against other superheavies. Lancer is an excellent duellist and is your best bet if wanting something to fight primarchs, but its basically a CC-only beast. Those are the only Cerastus i have experience fighting or using. If you want to save on both points and dosh, the plastic Paladin or Errant are both pretty good, and a Warden is also decent if you have shit luck with scatter. The other plastic Knights are all overly specialised, too pricey or simply mediocre by comparison.

I did, it's super easy. You can magnetize the claws/blades, flamer/bolter, and shoulder gun quite well.

But to be honest if you do the first two, you no longer have a reason for magnetizing the shoulder gun.

>>50345708
Thanks
Well gonna walk into my FLGS and get a plastic knight box.

Could a model EC Legion head upgrade fit on Fulgrim's model as a head replacement? Maybe with that little tassel on top? Or is it too small?

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>>50341305
To be fair, Old GW art and models MkVI greaves were put on everything. Also, if you look at the BoP Ahriman, he's in MkIV but has MkVI greaves (based on his pre-Heresy art).

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Finally finishing up my conversion of the cataphractii praetor from BaC, which I started back when the box first came out and then abandoned for many a moon. Just the volkite to polish off, anybody know where I can get some suitable studs and such for around the muzzle?

Also, curse vallejo matt varnish, it's well glossy. Do any of you fine folks know of a decent brush-on matt varnish?

>>50346311
Holy frak, that looks great! I'd love to know your techniques!

>>50346311
Thats incredible, a bit dark for my tastes since i prefer my angels crimson, but looks amazing nontheless. The varnish is definitely not matte, though, but its only stupidly shiny on the pauldrons. As far as studs, i'm a great believer in the repetitive application of PVA technique, but im usually lazy and do the glass beads thing

Stormlord to act as a cheaper (points and cash) mastodon?

Dump 40 tacticals in the enemy objectives?

>>50346311
Looks great, but vampire angel with a tache? It just ain't.right :(

>>50346363

I love the 'tache. It makes him look older and more manly, like a Victorian Officer off fighting the Zulu.

Besides, why should the Yiffs be the only ones with facial hair? I thought Amit had a beard.

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>>50346363
>vampire with a tache?
perfectly normal

>>50346360
It's less tough than a mastodon, but the mastodon isnt that tough. Frankly, a Spartan is tougher and cheaper, although it lacks superheavy rules and the carrying capacity. Also, to get the most out of your platform, you want to give it AC and two sets of sponsons, where it gets alot closer to mastodon price. For the Dakka it puts out, you want to shoot at meq, but for the carrying capacity you want it charging forward, and whichever you use it for, you pay for both. Might be worth writing a silly 4k WE Onslaught list with two stormlords full of inductii, some jets and some LRs full of butchers, led by spartan deathstar with Kharn/Surlak.

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>>50346335

Hmm, I don't know that I really have many beyond taking a long time over everything. I use graphite powder for the dark grey parts of the armour. The gold bits involve vallejo liquid gold, an oil wash, purple and brown washes, some selectively applied verdigris (made with thinner, blue, green, and white paint), and highlights in gold and pale burned metal vallejo metal colour. Reds all go from cooler shades up to warmer. I'm figuring it out as I go along.

>>50346350

I tried the PVA, but it wasn't really doing it for me. Might just have to buy beads, they'll always be useful for MkVing stuff up. I prefer a more sparing application of colour personally, though the rest of the army should have more red. I was doing some Knights of Blood for 40k initially, when I switched gears to 30k. The scheme is a little like the variant IF that gets used a lot, I suppose. Here he is with a couple of friends that aren't painted to quite the same standard. Dread could use a little more red somewhere.

>>50346363
>>50346386

I'm not sure exactly how I'm fluffing it, but thinking along a slightly more savage BA line than the traditional pretty-boy look, going a bit more medieval than renaissance, taking a little inspiration from the beardy look that Gary Oldman has in parts of Coppola's version of Dracula.

>>50346311
Sweet job anon. Also reminds me to reposition my own version of the model.

>>50346462
>taking a little inspiration from the beardy look that Gary Oldman has in parts of Coppola's version of Dracula.

If I was ever doing Blood Angels, I'd use that movie as a reference as well.

>>50346462
not enough assault cannons

>>50346462
Bases look a bit dull, and the dread could definitely benefit from some additional red. But go for the beads, they're always useful for making a fancy dude fancier or more battleworn

>>50346468

He does look a lot better when he's not staring at the corner of his pauldron. Greenstuff pturges are a bitch though.

>>50346483

Whatever you may think of Keanu's accent and some of the other flaws in the film, it does have brilliant costume design.

>>50346546

I'm planning on adding a few tufts of dryish grass to the bases, give them a little more interest. Needs a bit of a heavier application of weathering powder too, to bed them in and give them a dustier look, but I need to figure out a way of making sure it won't come off all over my paint jobs.

I've ordered a Dark Apostle for my Word Bearers but I'd like to switch out the head. Does anyone have any good suggestions for a deamonic helmet? I've looked at the Wrathmongers bloodletter inspired helmet and the warp talon helmets but I'd like to hear other ideas.

>>50347047
The Crimson Slaughter ones from Dark Vengeance are pretty chaos-y and full of details.

Or maybe some fantasy ones?

So I want to run Word Bearers, but I want it to be fluff rather than comp based.

My idea is to take a detachment of renegade militia penals and a FC to basically make them cultists.

Is there any way I could do this and have them benefit from Lorgars bonuses?

WHERE THEM SCANS OF MASTER OF MANKIND AT ITS BEEN LEAKED FOR A WHOLE DAY ALREADY AYY LMAO

>>50347323
If you bothered to read the helpful links in the OP, you would learn of this wonderful force called the Army of Dark Compliance. I suggest you do so, since learning is a wonderful thing

>>50344503
I like it a lot. Good job!

>>50347357
Which one? I've had a nose through them but couldn't see anything difinitive, which is why I asked.

>>50347574
>nose through them
Well, you could actually read the books, the 1d4chan page tactica for Legions/Word Bearers, or any of the other resources available. Or you could ask to be spoonfed, that works too.

>>50345387
>does scyllax rad engine, rad furnace and rad grenades stack?
Scyllax engines are rad furnaces, and they do stack, but you'd need also Enfeeble and a Barbaran thurible to get it to sweet -4T and kill 2W T4 termies on contact at I10 without saves of any kind (even if the Thurible doesn't affect ID thresholds, 0T is 0T).
>why aren't more people running a magos reductor with scyllax bodyguards in a triaros?
Dunno. Scyllax sort of kind of suck.

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>>50345667
An anon once transformed the Age of Darkness Army List from epub to pdf. I assume he was either an IH or Mechanicum, because that's hard to pull of.

>>503476
Fine, be an abrasive fuck, it was just a single question.

Bet you're a riot to play against.

>>50346311
100/10

>>50347654
Firstly, learn to quote. Secondly, if you bothered to read the actually useful links, you could ask questions in more detail than 'how does i cultist' and would get actual responses, instead of the current passive-aggressive, 'abrasive', responses from a drunken neckbeard

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>>50347654
Where do you think you are, little anon? This is our kindness. He actually told you which links to read, that was very nice of him.
I'm going to ask in 40kg if either Master of Mankind and/or Planetary Assault have been leaked, wish me luck!

>>50347777
MoM plot has been leaked, but until the digital copy has been out for a bit there won't be a scan unless some madman wants to fuck up their hardback.

>>50347703
Different anon here, in fairness you could have been more helpful with the first reply. There's an awful lot of words in the assorted OP links, it is often simpler to ask a question and get directed to the specific link to read. I mean, you didn't actually point anon at the 1d4chan tactica page or whichever book actually has the rules for the army of dark compliance in. Was anon meant to read the black books one by one, in full, until they stumbled across that force? C'mon, we can be more helpful than that.

>>50347777
Do you mean Planetary Onslaught? That has been leaked, yeah, it's in the OP links of the 40k general ("Freshest Rules").

>>50347869
Didn't even need to ask, I saw the image showing exactly what I wanted. Well it's epub but I'm not gonna bick about it. For now.
Kek answered my prayers.

>>50345387
Does anyone actually use Scyllax?

>>50347869
I could've, but at the least the tactica has several references to it, and if you want a 30k army but don't want to bother reading, you probably won't invest much time to your army. I'm not mega-resin-elitist, but i'd rather people put some effort and love into an army. Also i'm drunk and bitter, sue me


Have Faith, Word Bearer

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>>50347995
>I may ee d-drunk, but I can shtill barraage better than yoo...whoops

>>50348061
Martyrs for their weird fucking deity obsession, i guess. The high from riding the Ironfire is better than anything freaky carnivals can offer

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>>50347907
Cont.
I CAN'T READ THIS SHIT, THIS IS WHY PDF IS SUPERIOR
I use Caliber, I've seen others use Readium. Is it the same? I'm content with at least being able to read it without using a magnifying glass, but if I can read it on the phone it'll be swell.
I'd like to not need a whole new program to read a sigle file, however...

>>50337273
Getting a date wrong for a release is not false advertising lmao

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>>50348061
Have faith, Word Bearer.

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>>50348208

>>50348314
Good riddance, Caliber...

>>50347624
lucky for me most of my meta is T3 and some tyranids, so its going to be interesting. poor poor nids

avenger or lightning HHG, they end up costing around the same in a reductor list and have more or less the same purpose help. I love them both.

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>>50348519
Vultarax :^)
Go forth and shit on nyds

>>50347971
I want to, because they are adorable.

>>50348530
I want to give him a shadow of a chance, wouldn't want to discourage bro from his cool looking bugs desu - I'd rather play him then the eldarfag who's recently rocked together a wraithhost and a windrider host.

>>50348553
Run an Ordinatus Ulator and six thrall blobs against the Eldar guy

>>50348553
Grab a matrix of ruin and bring two Ullators against the eldar dude

Armour saves can be taken against 'Gets Hot', allright. But what about FNP ? Allowed ?

>>50348654
yes, it just inflicts a wound, so any available saving throws, and things taken like saving throws like FnP, are allowed

>>50341154
The only one I can find at 2mm Tamiya is curved, so its fucking useless

>>50348705
Thanks a bunch for the quick reply !

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>>50336901

ToS rules will be glorious, I can't wait!

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>>50337040
Zandri Dust, ushabti bone, then reikland fleshshade.

At least thats what they use on this when I asked about pic related, and it looks mighty similar.

But for the the dark metal, it looks like leadbelcher washed with Nuln twice. Or alternatively start with black, drybrush heavily with leadbelcher, then wash black.

Then a heap of weathering, with dirt and silver.

BA rules when? I want my cinabon damnit...

>>50336901

I was a bit out of loop btw, my red book is from 2014.

I hope there is no new one?

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>>50341713
Here's my shots of the armor again. Like another anon said, the mk4 weapon packs torso is uparmored with mk3 style plates. Same with most of the champions armor. Note the smooth armor panels and the cabling on all the mk4 examples while the mk3 has no external cabling and it's distinctive rings of armor on its backside.

>>50349017
They have rules, just not their Primarch,special characters or unique units!

>TS and Woofs on the other hand....

>>50349029
Ah thanks man. Placing the distinctive Iron plate in front of the chest, now that's a low blow.
>>50341305
> Note the smooth armor panels and the cabling on all the mk4 examples while the mk3 has no external cabling and it's distinctive rings of armor on its backside.
So it was MkIII all along.

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Hows everyone else finding BoP?

>>50349108
I love the models so far, so much so I actually like the plastic MkIII over the resin.

>>50349108
the 2 part backpack and legs are an annoyance. its like 12 pieces per bolter marine all up.

>>50349108
It's a good value kit, really. I found the slight change in backpack design was a minor pain in the ass considering all the FW bits that should go on it but other than that I'm pleased.

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>>50349108
The MK III marines were great for some breachers, not!-björn got scraped clean and turned into a primus medicae whilst the Ahriman will be joining my 40k Thousand Sons with a different helmet, but it is a pain to get rid of those damned Custodus and Sisters of Silence.
At least the SoS look kinda alright, but the Custodes are so obviously smegmarines with just some extra details it's not even funny.

>>50349189
>but it is a pain to get rid of those damned Custodus and Sisters of Silence.
ebay them

>>50349189
See>>50349196

If you don't mind swallowing some shipping charges you can be competitive enough that they'll sell within a week.

>>50349010
Ah, thanks, that looks about perfect. That colour on the middle of the armour plates is a bit too bright, but I can always go for a slightly darker layer. I do like Zandri Dust, it seems to go with everything.

I do wish they did a Xana II transfer sheet, the sigils are a bit fiddly. Might try the colour scheme out on my new Sydonian Dragoons, see how it looks.

>>50348231
Tell that to frothing nerds with internet access.

>>50349654
Huh, guess that means that GW and I have one thing in common : we're terrible at dates :^)

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>>50349674

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>tfw getting a fellblade for Christmas

>>50345387
It's not as fluffy.

And expensive.

>>50349108
Fairly good, though I really wish they gave us a sergeant chestpiece or shoulder pad.

I had to settle for using the sternguard crest to make him stand out from the transverse-crested pack a little.

>>50349882
how is it not fluffy? scyllax is one of 2 fluffy options for reductor besides thallax and is a in built bodyguard option for reducers everywhere.

>>50338212
From Battle Bunnies' report on the Black Library event:
>Apparently the guy who dies in the Dorn book is definitively dead.

STUPID FUCKING GW CUNTS

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/11/22/warhammer-40000-rulebook-final-faq/

>>50350127
Poor Silonius, nobody knew him well

>>50350040
Reductor distrust Cybernetica creations for good reason, and in the Scyllax fluff, it states that even Cybernetica Magi distrust it/many other Magi won't even go near them.

Sure they're an option, but not as fluffy as most other things.

So what do you think will happen when they finally finish HH?
Unification Wars (books, necromunda 30k edition, etc.)?
Great Scouring (Books, updates for 30k now with actual CSM)?
Some other 30k-40k event?

Final FAQs for the 40k rulebook are up:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/11/22/warhammer-40000-rulebook-final-faq/

To get this one out of the way:
>Q: Using grenades in the Assault phase. Can every model replace their close combat attacks with a single grenade attack or just one model in the unit? Like in the Shooting phase e.g. a unit of 5 Tau Pathfinders charge a Knight. Do 5 Pathfinders make close combat haywire grenade attacks?
>A: Only one model from the unit can attack with a grenade in the Assault phase. Per Warhammer 40,000: The Rules, ‘Only one grenade (of any type) can be thrown by a unit per phase’.

>>50350152
Reading it now, how much did GW fuck up ?

>>50350175
I kept saying it was so, but no one read the rulebook.

Same thing regarding transports as well.

Am I the only one autistic enough to read the entire rulebook?

>>50350168
Not that anon, but that also confuses me a bit. Scyllax aren't battle automata due to lacking a cortex, and can barely be called servitors due to being almost entirely inorganic...yet the only ones who can take them as a retinue of guardian automata are Reductor Magi.
I don't get it.

>>50350214
6th and 7th weren't THAT different, so it's not too strange people won't notice small changes and assume most things function identically.

It's nice that they're keeping FAQs up, again. Because arguing RAW/RAI is a fucking chore.

>>50350242
Neither do I. I think this was more of a gameplay design choice rather than fluff-conscious decision.

>>50350175
This was stupid, I always figured that's how it worked I mean the other option was incredibly cheap

>>50349851
How do you know if you are getting it for christmas? isnt it a surprise?!

>>50350177
>Q: Using grenades in the Assault phase. Can every model replace their close combat attacks with a single grenade attack or just one model in the unit? Like in the Shooting phase e.g. a unit of 5 Tau Pathfinders charge a Knight. Do 5 Pathfinders make close combat haywire grenade attacks?
>A: Only one model from the unit can attack with a grenade in the Assault phase. Per Warhammer 40,000: The Rules, ‘Only one grenade (of any type) can be thrown by a unit per phase’.
Meltabombs went from overkill to tax, avoid on everyone except sgts. Thallax' meltabombs obsolete, use Ferrox instead.

>>50350214
>>50350271
The funny thing is, in 30k it seems like the designers were working to the other interpretation when they wrote the unit entries. There's a few squads that can buy all meltabombs for loadsa points, or just on the sergeant for 5 points. There's almost* no reason to buy them for the whole squad if only one guy can use them.

*Redundancy, and disordered charges into multiple vehicles, are all I can think of.

>>50350359
>avoid on everyone except sgts
giving your sergeant a fist of some description and letting a squaddie take care of meltabitch duty is going to be a lot better for vehicle duty, if prohibitively expensive

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>>50350270
Maybe they just see them as mobile rad furnaces? Scyllax develop self awareness when alive for too long, so be sure to spend them quickly ;^)

>>50350381
that's something I cannot deny, every single codex/rulebook by matter of it's own length/complexity is bound to have phrases or rules that become subjective or redundant hopefully we have errata and FAQ otherwise it would be madness

>>50350175
Shit, I suppose I better actually buy real anti-tank units now instead of just buying MBs left right and centre

To be fair, a 10 man squad of assault marines all with MBs deleting a spartan turn 1 did always seem a bit BS to me

>tfw the FAQ basically just says "actually read the rulebook you nonces"

>>50350419
Another one which could be fun:
>Q: If a unit includes multiple Psykers – e,g, Independent Characters, or Brotherhood of Psykers – can they cast the same power (e.g. Psychic Shriek) multiple times, once for each Psyker?
>A: No.
I hope to hell FW were aware of that when they wrote the rules for the Thousand Sons...

>>50350389
You could buy a laser destroyer rapier for that.

>>50350445
jesus this can break an army that I have always figured would work as GK being able to cast a shitton of powers.
or give them a legion specific rule that allows them to cast a single power but it gets stronger the more psykers are present improving it's S or giving it extra effects.

>>50350463
that's why I said, prohibitively expensive

>>50350389
But only on units of 5 Vet Machine Destroyers at best. Maybe Thallax could be used against vehicle units in disordered charges, like >>50350381 suggested.

>>50350409
>>50350270
>>50350242
reductors themselves are seen with a mix of scorn, awe and fear by other priests anyway, so why not stick with the spooky spookbots ´that turn into protective radiactive puppies after a few months of heavy patting and hand holding

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>>50350507
If there's anyone who would stick an open-air nuclear reactor on a cybertamagochi, that'd be the Reductor alright.
Reminder that they created Thallas (and also use Scyllax) due to lacking authority over the Skitarii legions as per their outcast status. They would totally love Skitarii Vanguards

>>50350175
>"Some grenades do not have a profile. Any effects that they have will be covered in their special rules. Unless specifically stated otherwise, these grenades cannot be thrown or used as a Melee weapon."
>"thrown or used as a Melee weapon"
>"thrown"
>"or used as a Melee weapon"

Does GW even read their own rules? Because clearly throwing grenades and using them in close combat are two different things.

>>50350562
You can't throw rad grenades, and can't also plant them in melee. About the throw-vs-use-in-melee issue here, I too agreed with you and supported the idea that three thallaxi could use all three meltabombs in melee. But the FAQ must be obeyed.
These are the times of unpopular results it seems

>>50336927
Now that's one mean looking bastard

>>50350618
Eh, I still prefer having a meltabomb over a multi-melta on my Thallax. Same cost and I get an extra lightning gun shot as well. Also gets through AC and Flare Shielding, which is nice.

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>>50350669
And he's coming for you

>>50350687
>you can tell by the way I use my walk I'm a ladies' knight

>>50350687
>swiggity swooty I'm coming for that booty

>>50350562
Throwing = clamping grenades in place

confirmed by GW, don't listing to what dictonary tells you

>Q: Can I attempt invulnerable saves or use the Eternal Warrior special rule against Stomp attacks that cause a model to be removed as a casualty?
>A: No.
Don't know if this is news, (suspect not,) but keep your primarchs away from knights, folks.

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>>50350747
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_izvAbhExY

Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk,
I'm a ranged knight: no time to charge.
Cannons loud and barrels warm, I've been stomped around
Since I was born.
And now it's all right. It's OK.
And you may duck under cover.
We can try to understand
The Porphyrion' effect on flesh.

[Chorus]
Whether you're a brother or whether you're a monster,
I'm stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Feel the city breakin' and everybody shakin',
And I'm stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive.

"He ignores cover. Somebody help me.
Somebody help me, yeah."
"He ignores cover. Somebody help me, yeah.
Stayin' alive."

Well now, AP low and Strenght high,
And if I can't get either, I really try.
Got the AV Fourteen on my shoes.
I'm a shooty Knight and I just can't lose.
You know it's all right. It's OK.
I'll live to see another day.
We can try to understand
The Porphyrion's effect on flesh.

[Chorus]

>>50350834
I think Primarchs should have special rule witch save them from being stomped. After all Angron lifted warhound's leg.

>>50346311
Damn. How did you paint the base?

>>50350175
>Q: If a model has a Poisoned close combat weapon and a normal close combat weapon, does it gain the bonus attack for having two close combat weapons?
>A: Yes.

>Q: When a model has a pistol and a close combat weapon, does it gain 1 or 2 additional attacks?
>A: It gains 1 additional attack.

>Q: A Dreadnought has Strength 6, and with power fists, has Strength x2. Does the Dreadnought have Strength 12 for the purposes of Instant Death?
>A: Strength cannot be modified above 10

>Q: Can a model fire a pistol in the Shooting phase and then still benefit from the extra attack in the ensuing Assault phase?
>A: Yes.


Who the fuck asks these questions?

>>50350966
By the look of it, lots of careful drybrushing.

>>50350993
>Who the fuck asks these questions?

The new 40k audience that will love Age of Emperor.

>>50351005
Yes, but colors!

>>50350993
People who don't read the BRB.

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>>50350687

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>>50350993
I know right? But on the other hand
>Q: Can you clarify the use of a weapon as both a ranged and a melee weapon in the same turn?
>A: A weapon that can be used as a ranged and a melee weapon can be used as both in the same turn unless specifically noted otherwise.
Custodian Halberds come to mind
>>50351028
Kek

>Q: How do special rules like Hatred, Preferred Enemy and Monster Hunter work when targeting a mixed unit that contains models your special rule effects as well as models it doesn’t?
>A: The rules mentioned are used if any model in the target unit is of the appropriate type.

Looks like the raven guard's decapitation strike ROW just got more dangerous.

FW fail at meeting deadlines, WD factually inaccurate and now GW incompetent at producing an FAQ for their game system...WHAT A COMPANY ! MERRY FUCKIN CHRISTMAS !

>>50351052
>They're being led by a sergeant
>MY KIND OF PREY
Well damn

And another actual-30k-related one:
>Q: Does having a bonus To Wound affect Rending?
>A: No, the automatic Wounds still only apply on the roll of a 6.
Bad news for night lords, a talent for murder doesn't make your chainglaives rend on a 5+ (if anyone was playing it that way).

>>50351077
When was prospero's first ever deadline?

>>50351077
>sournugget detected

>>50351095
Inferno was supposed to come out as Book 4.

>>50351087
Sergeants aren't independent characters.