/HHG/ The Horus Heresy General

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>>50362961
Beat me to making the new bread.

>>50362989
It's ok. Next time it'll be (You), alright? Srry (original breadanon)? I just wanted some thread summary

>>50362972

The idea is more that multiple vet squads can focus fire the 4 castellax down, not that a 160 point unit is supposed to beat a 500 point one

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>>50363040
>Srry (original breadanon)? I just wanted some thread summary
That's me.
>thread summary
I really got to get back to doing those. Have some more images I've gotten over the past few days.

>>50363061
>A Darkmech fell to Slaanesh instead
>This is how a Slaaneshi Vultarax looks like

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>>50363119
And that's somehow scarier than some warp addled dinobot. Pic related.

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Gentlemen

How do we kill the Cybernetica?

>>50363157
Mortarion
Lorgar
Knight Households
Not playing them

>>50363157
Falchion.

Actually, joking aside, I bet this doesn't even work that well with all the haywire they can take.

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>>50363157
Only Cybernetica can defeat Cybernetica! Or ya know >>50363178

>>50363157
Tyrants! Artillery!
What legion are you?

>>50363157
Lightning with sunfury missiles, or bring a darkwing somehow. Keep the fuckers blinded.

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>>50363193

Can I out cyber-zombie them with contemptors and deredeos?

>>50363237
>Castellax S6
>Contemptor/Cortus AV13
It's a possibility, yeah

>>50363209

Meme legion.

>>50363257
So, Tyrants and artillery :^)

>>50363253
>Play cybernetica
>Friend brings 6 cortus dreds every game

Life is hell.

Actually desu how about an autocannons squad with someone giving them stealth

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>>50363325
That's what you get for dabbling with borderline heresy

Man, the Thousand Sons fags are really shitting up the board. At this rate I'm starting to think that Prospero deserved to burn.

>>50363498
They are? I havent heard about them in a while

>>50363526
Something about Magnus attacking Fenris again.

>>50363498
m8 if you got rustled in some other thread don't come in here and start crying about it and expect us all to go over there with you and tell them to stop bullying you.

>>50363553
10/10 Post
Prospero deserved the genocide though >>50363498
The other thread is still alive, argue there

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Reminder that Lorgar is a better primarch then Magnus and Russ.

The Inferno can't come soon enough.

>>50363601
No.

>>50363220
Castellax with Siege Wreckers say hi.

>>50363625
Fug. And Specialist weapon does nothing because the Castellax wasn't equipped with melee weapons to begin with, right?

>>50363647
I think so, since the Shock Chargers are considered a single weapon.

how do you play arch/magos dominus ? tanking buffing myrmidon on triaros? jetpacked with tallax? hidden inside brainless tralls?

>>50363691
For Cybernetica? If they're the ones that can join with units of MCs, I usually see it in a blob of 3+ Castellax, kitted with all the toughness boosters mechanicum have, and a chainfist

>>50362961
30k was(is?) able to take stuff from Stronghold assault, and the FAQ says it was superceded by the 40k rulebook. With Planetary Onslaught out, will 30k be able to use stuff from it?
I mean, 40k Fists do siege better than their 30k equivalents, having access to both Sentinels of Terra and Siege Assault Vanguard, not to mention those OP formations

>>50363157
>Let the Cybernetica player go first
>or lose the roll-off to see who starts, saves some trouble
>let him deploy his army
>make a show of pondering and looking over the unit positions
>flip table

>>50364451
I dunno anon, getting hit with a thanatar model would probably hurt.

>>50364552
Not as much as removing an entire unit every time it fires.

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Before the Emperor got bound to the Golden Throne, how did Navigators navigated without an Astronomicon? How were Astropaths made? Every day big E had to give audience to a few thousand psykers, and burn their eyes out?

>>50362961
So what is best the best load out for alpha legion Iron havocs? the HB are garbage, but i am really stuck between the other choices

>>50364593
emps was still strong enough to do it all himself at that point

>>50364593
The Astronomican was still a thing. Just the Emperor was powerful enough to fuel it with his own psychic might wherever he was back then. After Magnus broke the human webway, there needed to be a powerful psyker on the Throne to keep it sealed.
Thats one of the Primary reasons Emps was on the throne. That and Life Support.
As for Navigators, they are mutants, much like Psykers, but their mutation gives them Warp Sight and a Third Eye. By the time of 40k, most navigators are from select lineages (read Inbred) because its a rare but muchneeded mutation.

>>50364593
Navigators only made small jumps before the Emp's baecon. The Astronomicon just acts as a oriëntation point, which allows for longer warp jumps without ending up inside a sun or something.

>>50364662
Sorta like the Tau do?

>>50364708
More like Navigators are capable of seeing underwater when they take a dive, and the Astronomican is a full scuba suit with a light.
...Tau are waterproof and bounce off
>Terrible analogies.

>>50364763
But I secretly liked it

>>50364638
One that was genetically engineered if I recall correctly.
Induced during the Age of Technology, but definitely artificial, the inbreeding is the only way to keep it active, since it's not a dominant trait.

>>50364609
Missile launchers are the best. Even as IW.

>>50364638
>>50364662
But what about the Asropaths?
was back then the process less raw and brutal, so they could keep their eyes and most of their sanity? Did the Emperor made them, or they all had to go to the Astronomicon?

>>50364609

Missile launchers if you're a pucci, autocannons if you're a man

>>50364909
why so? is the cheapness+all missile types?

>>50364974
A what?

>>50363157
Dark Angels with Heavy Bolters.

>>50364708
Not really. Tau war travel is similar to skipping a stone across the surface of water.

Pre-Astronomicon human warp travel was like taking a deep breath and swimming under water.

And then with the Astronomicon Navigators could orient themselves and travel became more like diving into the water and gliding.

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>>50364987
A Pucci. Do you pose and obsessively love a dead vampire?

>>50365155
Nah, he's an alpharius, not a blood angel

>>50360872
>>50362612
>Doom Eagles are a loyalist millenial, Im sure theres others out there.
I'm not so sure about the Doom Eagles, as I can't find any evidence that says they're anything but angsty Ultras. However, the Red Scorpions seem to fit the bill as Loyalist Emperor's Children

>Obsessed with the purity of their gene-seed
>Fanatically devoted to the Imperium
>Follow the Codex Astartes even harder than the Ultramarines
>History of conflict with Chaos
>Refuse to deal with even sanctioned abhumans
>High number of apothecaries
>Fleet-based crusading chapter early on in their history
>maintain a high number of MkIV suits
>Use of (Lord) Commander titles

Kind of like how the Blood Ravens are allegedly (or have they finally been confirmed?) Thousand Son loyalists, the points seem to add up for the Red Scorpions being Emperor's Children loyalists. If this is indeed the case, that would mean that at some of them may have escaped Istvaan, or that a small segment of the fleet wasn't present or was garrisoned on another world at the time. While the Third Legion only numbered around 110k at the time of the Istvaan betrayal, it wouldn't be surprising that a few hundred or thousand were elsewhere.

So, outside being a medicore novel, what's all the hate on Outcast Dead?

>>50365187
Because anon gave you the wrong chapter. It's the Death Eagles, not the Doom Eagles.

That said, there is a very simple, and confirmed by Alan Bligh, statement concerning loyalists and traitors during the Heresy.
"Some element of every single legion fought both alongside and against some element of every other legion at some point during the Heresy."

Every legion had separate detachments and splinter fleets operating far away from their primarch. Every single one of them.

>>50365290
It screwed up the timeline of Magnus's message to the Emperor and it took a follow-up story to correct the mistake.

Also an unarmored World Eater punches straight through a power armoured chest.

>>50365304
Except turd bearers, they purged all their loyalists

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>>50365383
Given their background, I kind of wish the Fists had a similar rule to the Word Bearers saying they're loyalists only. To be clear, I don't even play them, but I think it'd be neat.

>>50365526
eh, i feel that a few embittered fists would be around somewhere in the width of the galaxy, those who felt that protecting terra or doing garrison duty lacked the glory that crusade did, and those who had close ties with SoH/other traitor legions

>>50365550
So they painted their armor sliver, added hazard stripes, and nobody noticed?

>>50365617
KA, is that you?

>>50363601
>fucked around at work
>made up a religion and worshipped it despite his god telling him to cut it out
>let literal demon live in sons brains and eat their souls
>ruin everything in a fit of babbyrage

>>50365383
The Word Bearers also had a lot longer than any other Legion to indoctrinate their men. And within a Legion who's focus was religion and faith, I'm sure that the few Bearers not who didn't drink the kool-aid were put down fairly quickly.

>>50365766
>>50365383
Eh...not a fan. I don't care if their LA rules traitor specific. I prefer the FW lore approach where there are always exceptions, and "your dudes" doesn't just mean "do whatever you want," but that the setting is flexible enough where anything not completely absurd can still fit properly.

>>50365897
BL already does what it wants, like Kalkator & Magneric. Anything you could come up with would be more logical.
And that possessed Custodes counts as Traitor Custodes.

>>50365923
What was wrong with it? A BT fell through the trickery of chaos words and arguments. it's not like no BT had ever fallen. It's no different from how people fall to the Tau or Tzeentch and it's why such concepts are so in M41.

>>50366026
So dangerous in M41*

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>>50365383
>>50365766
What would be a good legion to use as 'counts as' loyalist word bearers?
Im thinking 1000 ish points of blackshields allied with another loyalist legion

>>50365923
> Traitor Custodes

>>50366061
Orpgñhans of Betrayal

>>50366061
You could always go alpha legion to get the ashen circle. I mean, the only reason people play loyalist WB is for the sweet ashen circle models, right?

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>>50366100
> they look so hot
> but are so much hot mediocrity on the table

OK, /hhg/, a week or so ago I asked for advice re. beating our resident dickhead UM player with my Mechanicum. Game wound up being me + Iron Hands vs 3500 of UM, since he heard I was playing him and wanted to join in. Anyone up for a report?

>>50366155
always :3

>>50366155
Hell yeah my dude. Post pics.

>>50366155
I am

>>50366171
> this

>>50366155
Make it so.

>>50363498
Okay so Furfags got their 6,000 years and now TS will get their 6,000 seems fair
>>50363601
If that's what you call letting Chaos win and not be destroyed by the psychic race

>>50363620
turns out it's taken so long because they had to burn all the copies and rename it Purgatory

>>50364987
pucci is corruption of pussy, corrupted form of boypussy into boipucci. Twink lovers do tend to go off the deep end

>>50365290
because ThunderWarrirors survive for hundreds of years in the slums on drugs without Slaanesh's blessings

>>50366171
No pics I'm afraid, we were too busy murdering to remember to take some :(
>>50366171
>>50366172
>>50366202
>>50366205

Holy shit the (you)s.

OK, lists were:

1500 Ordo Reductor Matrix of Ruin FoC:

- Archmagos Reductor with MC grav imploder
- 2x 3 Thallax with Destructor + Meltabombs
- 20 Thralls, Fearless and Carapace
- 3 Graviton Imploder Myrmidons in a Triaros
- 2 Medusae, POTMS, FA13
- Tech-priest enginseer
+ some other upgrades and shit as usual

Iron Hands (bit fuzzy on what exactly) 2000pts

Ferrus Manus with Forgebreaker and 5 gorgons in Spartan

2 Tac squads of 10 in Rhinos
Sicaran Venator
Praetor and some Immortulz in a LR

>>50366266
>Twink lovers do tend to go off the deep end
>Into No Kink
I don't think twink is the right term to use here.

What do you guys think about mixing power armour marks within a unit?

It disrupts the uniformity of the aesthetic, to be sure, but models are expensive and redundancy is something I like to avoid if the models aren't going to be showing up on the field at the same time.

>>50366415
/th/ is split on this. Some feel it adds more character to individual marines in a squad, others feel the uniform nature of the legions is important to maintain.

>>50366336
Ultrasmurfs 3500 - Some RoW that means he can take Grandpapa smurf as HQ

2x10 Invictarius Axedude squads in LRs
2x10 Vets in Rhinos

Rowboat Girlyman and 10 Cataphractii in a Spartan

Fire Raptor

5 Fulmentarius + droppod

Knight Paladin

2 Medusae

3 Jetbikes

>>50366505
>Primarch's chosen
>Takes a LoW
Well.

>>50366505

Deployment:

Iron Hands set up giant tank wall as per usual.
I hide Triaros and Arty in ruins as we lost the roll for T1, Thralls just lined up, Thallax are DSing.

UM deploy offensively, Spartan in a gap between ruins that mean flanking is going to be a PITA (Man, I needed to take pics, this is hard to describe)

Knight looms dangerously behind some bikes.

We fail to seize.

UM, TURN 1:

Everything gottagofast. Rhinos move max and drop the vets into midtable ruins, scoring the objectives there. LR and Spartan flat out towards the big ruin with my tanks in.

Jetbikes shoot a multimelta at my Triaros and glance it.
Lascannons pop an IH rhino, wreck is blocking the way for the other one.
Knight continues to sit behind the tanks and be boring since S6 can't really hurt much.
>>50366556
Is that not allowed? I didn't read the LA book very closely, I havent even got a great handle on my own army yet.

>>50366505
yeah, if he had only one knight, he was wrong. Maybe not on purpose, but probably

>>50366415
It's Your Dudes(tm).

Mixed units would work on squads that have been assembled on the battlefield from marines from different squads. Or it's a force with poor supply making the best out of what they got.

As a standard thing it makes less sense, since different suits have different performances and rely on different supplies.

>>50366606
>I needed to take pics
Draw diagrams.
>Is that not allowed?
Nope.

>>50366148
It's funny, I saw those models after reading betrayer and just assumed they were the Vakrah Jal. Was a bit of a surprise to find they were a completely different thing.

>>50366611
>>50366448
I understand and sympathise with objections from an aesthetic point of view, but in-canon the Horus Heresy pushed the legion's supply lines to the limit, so YOLO.

The examples I'm thinking of are MkIII mixed in with MkIV and V IF and IW, which makes perfect sense given their natures and the possibility that boarder-marines discarded their shields when not necessary, or were press-ganged into other squads to fill in the holes in the legion's local formations without the hassle of re-outfitting them.

>>50366606
TOASTERFAGS, TURN 1:

Remaining 18 thralls move forward, staying in front of the Sicarian and the remaining Rhino that rammed through a building.

Artillery wiggles to get LoS on stuff, Enginseer fixes a glance from his arty last turn.

Medusa 1 and the Venator blow up one of his rhinos with a shell, 4 Vets die.

Myrmidons hop out of the tank and immobilise the Spartan with a lucky Grav roll.

>>50366625
OK, shitty diagrams incoming.

>>50366711
>immobilise the Spartan
noice, thats ~1100 points neutered, even if he does have another 1100 in land raiders

>>50366699
>in-canon the Horus Heresy pushed the legion's supply lines to the limit

That still doesn't mean marine armies started mixing their equipment willy-nilly across the board. It makes sense for a squad to have roughly the same suits and weapons, because then they all have equal performance and logistically they need one type of repair parts and munitions. Even when supplies are in short order. There's a reason the US didn't invest on plethora of new anti-tank weapons during WW2 to complement the 75mm and 76mm guns, because a 3rd gun would also mean a 3rd type of ammo to keep track of and supply from across the Atlantic. Germans had trouble with supplies because they had a million different guns to supply.

Mixed units make sense when you're in the field with losses and just need to get shit done, but the moment there's any chance of organizing your own forces, you'd return to some sense of order with equipment. It's just a logistical necessity.

>>50366711
>>50366761

Attempting to remember how a pen works, please hold ("Girl from Ipanema")

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UM, T2:

Dreadclaw comes.on despite us forgetting Drop Pod Assault like idiots, FR does not.
Land Raiders move 12 towards Thralls and arty, far right one disembarks forward, ending up about 7" from the Thralls.

Girlyman hops out and forward.
Everything else moves up, Knight is now really close to IH Spartan.

Dakka kills my Enginseer and Weapon Destroyed my Medusa, but luckily the pintle bolter caught it.

A couple Thralls die, I lose a myrmidon to scattering Medusa cannon.
Spartan loses a HP, Vet squad outside Rhino gets obliterated.
Pic Related, one shitty diagram. Will do one more at the end of each game turn.

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>>50366415
I don't think there is anything necessarily wrong with mixing Marks within a unit. Even before the Heresy, the sheer size of the Legions slowed the spread of a lot of tech advancements, so I imagine it would be distributed to specialists and veterans as a priority, and then on merit afterwards. Also to be considered is what Legion we're talking about, as some had better access to gear than others, or had the skills or connections (i.e. Raven Guard and Alphas had high numbers of MkVI suits, Emperor's Children had plenty of MkIVs, while Iron Warriors and Salamanders preferred working on existing suits)

In addition, during the Heresy supply shortages and salvaging resulted in more of a "take what you can get" mentality. Armor was frequently mixed on an individual suit, so mixed squadrons seems pretty reasonable.

But at the end of the day, it's up to you. Uniform squads are perfectly reasonable within the context of a properly prepared and supplied Legion, but squads working with what they were provided+salvaged is equally reasonable given the scale and intensity of the conflict.

>>50366914
Luckily we got off very lightly from the T2 shootfest, and manage to pick up a couple points from objectives despite not moving much.

TOASTERFAGS, T2:

Thallax both come on, deepstrike team 1 between his medusa with lucky scatter roll. Second team drops into the trees and ignores the terrain due to Walkers in Ruin after a rolloff on whether it works on that.

IH move forwards, Ferrus disembarks and makes for some Knight Fighting, for some reason.
I continue to shuffle my tanks about a bit, not really an offensive force. The Triaros heads sideways towards the Land Raiders, since they keep shooting it and I had an idea.

Venator pops the other Rhino and my Medusae break both squads. Thallax take 2HP off an enemy medusa, but can't charge because DS.

Last vets are shooting at the other vets.
Myrmidons kill four Cataphractii but Guilliman passes his rerollable 1st invuln 3 times.
Assault - Ferrus hits the Knight and takes four wounds from a D hit, but survives and beats it up with Termie chainfists. Explosion kills a bike and 3 terminators.

Next diagram on the way.

Thralls hit the disembarked Suzerain squad to try and tie them up. They manage it with 4 thralls left, they'll break out next turn.

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>>50366920

>apothecary clearly in Mk7

>>50366914
>drawing a diagram on paper, making a picture of it and posting that instead of using something like paint

Poor trees, that's gonna be at least 4 more sheets of paper

>not that electronic devices are any more enviroment friendly

>>50367020
could be the siege

bangles are one of the few who could actually use mk7 during the heresy

>>50366914
>loads of terrain in deployment zones, including stuff for both sides to hide artillery behind
>minimal terrain in middle of table
Poor show, sir.

>>50367043

I will bet you any amount of valuable commodity that that picture is not from a siege of Terra army

>>50367052

Easier to grab a pen and paper than mess about with Paint.
>>50367029

There were some craters and stuff about, but I didn't draw those since theyd be in the way.
Still not the best at setting up boards, and IH and UM guys want places to move tanks and have Primarchfights, I suppose.

>>50367080
End of T2, quickly laid out.

>>50366415
depends on the legion imo

From Night Lords, SoH and White Scars and Space Wolves I'd expect a great degree of variation and mark mixing due to legion culture or lack of cohesion. Shattered Legions and Blackshields as well would have mark mixing out of necessity.

Whereas from Imperial Fists, Iron Warriors, Ultramarines, Death Guard and Alpha Legion it is more conceivable that they'd lean towards squad uniformity given that they're not known for celebrating individuality or suffering from shit logistics.

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>>50367196
Wow, literally only a pic and I forgot it. Go me.

>>50367209
Smurfs, Turn 3:

Fire Raptor comes on and shoots the Medusae, killing one.
Empty Land's Raider turns around to shoot the Thallax by the artillery.
Full Land's Raider drops off some suzies by the side of the ruin of niceness and cover.
Girlyman moves into the trees. Bikes jet out next to my Triaros.

Veterans rally and head for my artillery Thallax.

Shooting - the Venator finally dies from Spartan and Land's Raider lascannons.
Sneaky Thallax lose 1 member but continue to sit by the artillery.
Fulmentarius fail at Myrmidon killing. Again.

Bikes take another HP off the Triaros but still cannot pen it for some reason.

Assorted bullshit rains down on my Archmagos and his Destructors but mostly bounces off his 3++, luckily since he's T5 and would have been spattered.

Assault - Girlyman charges the Thallax and owns them. Thralls die off and the two suzie squads sit by my arty looking pleased with themselves.

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god damn World Eaters are so fun to paint

>>50367278

TOASTERFAGS, T3:

Everything runs away from nearby scary things or towards nearby squishy things. Nothing too impressive until:
My Triaros Rams the Land's Raider, taking off 2 HP and causing Crew Stunned. That thing works damn well as a blunt instrument.

Shooting - My Myrmidons continue to be awesome, killing the rest of the Cataphractii and putting a wound on Girlyman.
Thallax kill the Medusa they were shooting and thanks to convenient squadron rules, Meltabomb the other and remove the gun. Should have bought a Twinlinked Bolter.

The Spartan and one of my arty tanks break the Fulmentarius, sending them running.
The other tank pop POTMS and kills 3 Suzerains, which is nice, but they don't break.

Ferrus charges and kills the last two random Vets and consolidates next to Girlyman in the woods.

Diagram inc.

>>50367079
I have 13,000,000$ of scorpion venom.

>>50367079
Given that it is a squad of Blood Angels in largely MkIII and MkIV armor, equipped with an older mark of Bolter, and the squad leader is sporting a helmet crest (largely out of fashion after the Great Crusade/Heresy era) it looks like a Horus Heresy scene to me. The only piece out of place is the MkVII suit, which was available in small numbers for Loyalists on Terra (Blood Angels and Imperial Fists) during the final stage of the Heresy, which this could be a diorama of.

>>50367363
>>50367278
Oops, Fire Raptor immobilised my tank, didnt kill it. Mistyped.

>>50365324
>implying that's not cool as fuck

>>50367020
could even be artificer armor

>>50367281
Neat.

>KA on suicide watch.

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>>50367363
Smurfs, T4:

Nothing new in the movement Phase.

Fire Raptor kills another Myrmidon and takes a wound off the last one.
Land's Raiders and Spartan fire everything into our Spartan, killing it.

Suzies kill my artillery in assault.
Girlyman charges my Archmagos but doesnt manage to kill him.

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>>50367020
That's obviously a suit of Artificer Armor formed from MkVI with a heavily modified chest piece.

>>50367029
>Poor trees, that's gonna be at least 4 more sheets of paper
Anon, the paper is already made. The trees will have been chopped down regardless.

>>50367281
that power sword and plasma glow, how did you do it friendo?

>>50367512
I did the power sword with the same technique that Duncan uses for eldar witchblades, except with greens instead of greys.
For the plasma pistol glow, I took the color I used for the highlight and did a gentle drybrush on all the hard edges near the power source. Then I repeated the drybrush on the corners only to make the color brighter.

>>50367281
>powersword aka you're instantly cauterized where I cut
>Blood splatters everywhere like some guy exploded in fine red mist nearby
My autism is tingling anon. A very nice model otherwise.

>>50367489

TOASTERFAGS T4:

Ferrus splits off from the Gorgons. Triaros turns round and Rams the spartan, wrecking that as well with Haywire.

Shooting - Not much. Termies kill the last bike.

Assault - Ferrus joins in with the brawl, and between him and the powerfist spam from my squad we manage to kill Guilliman. My Archmagos does die in the process, though.

Apparently seeing himself in a far worse position that we saw him, our opponent concedes, granting us GLORIOUS VICTORY. (for some reason. He still had two Land's Raiders, a Fire Raptor and a bunch of Suzies, and could have easily killed my Triaros.) Guess losing his Primarch was demoralising.

I need to remember to bring more things that can hurt flyers and AV14, apparently, if all my games are going to be like that. I honestly dont feel I won that with skill.

>>50367508
That's faulty logic. It's also no excuse for baby seal fur, to just go "Well the baby seal already got brutally murdered, it would've died anyway"

>>50367555
>implying world eaters don't alter their power swords to power down as soon as they hit flesh for this exact reason
:^)

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Good news for all the AL players.
Although I'm a bit disapointed you can only buy the whole set of tints and not just one pot, as well as the amount of paint he had to put in there to turn the whole pot the right color.
14 spatulas. I winder how many spatulas there is in a pot.

>>50367581
It is if I already own the baby seal fur.

>>50367609
That color reminds me of robocop, looks awesome.

>>50367609
Really curious to see the red version for 1ksons. Still waiting on my tamiya clear red to come in.

>>50367555
>having a power sword means you don't get splattered with the blood your squadmates are spilling all over the fucking place.

Your autism is wrong and so are you.

I'll just leave this here

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/11/23/wrath-of-magnus-the-big-guy-himself/

>>50367756
For (you)

>>50367754
>blood spattered on the edge exactly as it would with a regular sword

>>50367754
>Not staying clear of these uncouths barbarians spilling blood
I say, thou art of the rudest kind.

>>50367609
>konrad curs
Huh. I always thought it was pronounced with a hard Z.

>>50367793
>world eaters
>uncivilized barbarians

Choose two and only two.

>>50367813
Someone draw a WE drinking his tead englishly, with his pinkie raised, a top hat, a mustache and a monocle.

What do Alpha Legion primarches and assault phase grenades have in common?

You only get one nowadays

>>50367828
How do I make it look like a WE in a black&white drawing?
>>50367372
Glad you kept the condom ;^)

>>50367880
Bunny ears.

>>50367880
The legion symbol

>>50367880
Dark stains all over and an angry helmet.

>>50367855
It's great how /hhg/ can aDorn these threads with great jokes like these.

>>50367880
Sarum-pattern face, bunny ears, world eater symbols

>>50367880
Chainaxe with a $0.00 price tag.

>>50367905
Are we going to end up Curzing anon for starting a cHorus of bad jokes?

>>50367893
>>50367899
>>50367903
>>50367919
I see
>>50367934
My sides.
>>50367944
Do as you will, he's long Omegone

>>50367944
I can see the misMan(us)egment of the puns has already begun. I'd be Lion if said this made me Angron, however.

>>50367944
Dorn't make me, someone's bound to get Angr-on-y

>>50367555
Are power swords even heat in warhammer? Not some sort of psuedoscience that just cuts really well?

>>50367976
>>50367982
Khan you guys stop? Its worse than head jokes.

>>50367983
Power-fields disintegrate everything they touch, not sure if it burns things or simply destroys them, I lean towards the latter because the image of someone simply blowing up in pieces when touched by a power sword is awesome.

>>50367983
They are what you want them to be. They cut through matter like a hot knife through butter, which is why most think of them as hot stuff, and Eisenhorn has a literal lightsabre

So my BoP Mk3 dudes come with larger bases then my Forgeworld Breachers. So what one is right?

>>50368038
Both, GW rules have always been that the correct base is the one the model came with though you can change it to the current base size for similar models, in this case marines are based in 32mm bases.

>>50368038
Both are. tl;dr use what they're supplied with, but feel free to change them is you feel they are more appropriate.

Marines I would put on 32mm because it looks better and makes them less susceptible to blasts. Especially breachers.

>>50367976
No need to lose your head over this, man(us), I'm sure none of the Magn-us-ificent anons around here will take the joke that far.

>>50367983
Maby representations have them turning blood on them into mists because of the energy field, and cutting into stuff cleanly, so maybe they don't produce heat per se, but basically the field itself burns so hot it cauterizes.

>>50368094
In the Fulgrimdarkness of the far future, there's only bad puns

>>50368119
That's a load of Pollux.

>>50368097
It's a field that loosens matter and makes it softer. I don't want to say heat, but that's what heat does

>>50366415
The more mixed the model is the more weathered and battle worn it needs to be

>>50368157
Your mother also has those same properties and nobody even thinks she's hot.

>>50366673
Yeah FW fucked up BL canon, they really should have released Vharka Jal in the Calth book but no a possessed dreadnought is more important

>>50368199
Anything that fucks with Laurie Goldberg is A-OK with me.

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>>50368182
Why yes, she's a power sword.

>>50368272
Why has this hate for him built up? I don't get it at all.

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>>50367281
>>50367546
Hope you don't mind that I made this, for future reference.

Power swords and glow are the things I'm completely awful at, so it's useful having a little guide. Your shit looks awesome.

>>50368383
Very smug; acts like he's the supreme authority on HH fluff when he's made several massive mistakes on the forums

The Thirteenth Wolf anyone?

>>50368383
He can't admit to a mistake, even a minor conversational one where he's factually inaccurate, and claims that a lot of the stuff they've invented has been in the secret lore for 20 years and they just haven't told anyone until now, which is obvious bullshit.
He also likes talking down to people online, which is just crass.

>>50368272
>>50368383
>>50368644
>>50368472
Who the fuck is Laurie Goldberg?

>>50366415
Didn't know anyone considered it a problem. If they do they're dumb dumbs

>>50368674
a fanboy who got a job as a black library author/editor and gets real fuckin' mad when other fanboys think his fluff is shit

>>50368430
ty for the kind words anon

>>50368683
Do you guys not mean Laurie Goulding?
Or are there 2 men named Laurie at gW now? In the BL dpt?
It's super weird for me cus Laurie is a girl's name for my language.

>>50368674
>>50368683
His version of Draigo vs Mortarion still better than codex one.

>>50368719
Lurk moar

>>50368742
Nah, that book was shite. The codex fluff wasn't very good either, but it was short.

>>50368761
Draigo beating Mortarion was a shit, but still audiobook is better than codex.
At least Draigo used True name of Morty, instead of getting enraged and beating Primarch with his sword/halberd.

>>50368806
>but still audiobook is better than codex
Nah, it was awful. I'm fairly happy GW ignored it entirely when they made the newer GK book.

I played a pretty fun game the other day where me and a friend decided to play his 30k dark angels against my 40k chaos space marines at 1000 points it ended in a complete draw

>>50368997

About right. 30k is pretty weak at low point values. Hope it was fun.

>>50369029
Yeah man it ended on turn 6 with his remaining squad being surrounded by a chaos landraider and two rhinos while he had no AP weapons left and down to 6 men

give the mastodons siege melta array armourbane rather than melta, and add a flare shield, that fix it?

>>50369073

What legion do you play?

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>>50367828
>>50367893
>>50367899
>>50367903
>>50367919
>>50367934
No monocle or moustache, but the caedere renissium counts as a hat

>>50369174
I havent actually choosen yet im thinking of just running black legion or maybe alpha

>>50369181
THAT FUCKING FREE CHAINAXE is totally legit because you can take one in exchange for a close combat weapon.

>>50369181
Outstanding

>>50368886
The way Draigo won wasn't all that bad and worked into pre-established fluff on daemons.

True names fuck Daemons. Association with the Emperor (even his image) fuck Daemons. A True Name GIVEN by the Emperor would absolutely wreck a Daemon. Morty losing to that is justifiable.

>>50368092
Well I will up my Breachers to 32mm to match my other Mk IIIs.

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>>50369181
Marvelous work.

>>50368719
>It's super weird for me cus Laurie is a girl's name for my language.
Britbongs are strange, Anon. They wanted to murder German cows(and Germans) with anthrax before, so please don't question their names.

>>50367020
its just a classic model that the artist wanted to use

>>50365383
>>50365897
You could easily justify a WB cruiser that got lost in the warp and resurfaced pre-corruption.

>>50369783
that's during a war though

>>50370073
This. People give their children girl's names during the wartime.

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3000pts of Imperial Fists

+ HQ +

Legion Praetor [Artificer Armour, Paragon Blade, Power Fist] Pride of the Legion

+ Troops +

Indomitus Squad [2x Iliastus Pattern Assault Cannon, 9x Legion Terminators, 9x Power Fist with Combi-bolter]

Tartaros Squad [2x Iliastus Pattern Assault Cannon, 9x Legion Terminators, 3x Pair of Lightning Claws, 6x Power Fist with Combi-bolter]
Legion Terminator Sergeant [Pair of Lightning Claws]

Tac Vet Squad I [9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Marksmen, 2x Heavy Bolter]

3x Tac Vets Squad II-IV [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 8x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Marksmen. 2x Meltagun]

+ Fast Attack +

Legion Seeker Squad [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 7x Legion Seeker Space Marines]

Legion Seeker Squad [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 7x Legion Seeker Space Marines]

+ Lord of War +

Aquila Strongpoint [Ammo Dump, Void Shield,4x Heavy Bolters, 2x Escape Hatches]

Indomitus and Tartaros go inside the Strongpoint, Tac Vet squad I and Praetor go in the battlements to fire the Heavy Bolters and the eagle gun while Tac Vets squad II-III-IV either outflank or cruise alongside the Seekers.

>>50370896
>indomitus
why though, it's the worst terminator armour out there

>>50370911
Because I cant get enough of those sexy bulldog faced sons of bitches.

Also I fucked up as the terminator squads have 2 less combi-bolters because of the assault cannons.

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>>50370951
They really need rules. There can't just be an objectively worse option. Thats no fun.

If Space Wolf magic doesn't come from the warp, but actually from Fenris, as they themselves claim, what are the implications for the cosmology of 30/40k universe?

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So I was doing some googling for books about titans after having really enjoyed Honour to the Dead. Then this turned up.

Now, I've only read Titanicus once, but I can't recall a part where a junior tech-adept gets lovingly penetrated in his output slot for the first-time by his gruff but gentle forge overseer.

>>50371035
Then Fenris itself has a significant presence in the warp. Like, the spirit of the planet is hanging out alongside the Eldar gods, Gork and Mork, and the Chaos gods.

Space wolves are fucking idiots.

>>50371035
Fenris is a warp entity or warp/realspace conduit.

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>>50371073

>>50371035
The whole planet is a chaos god. The God of furry, and may bless its followers with wulfen mutation.

>>50371156
If you want to talk about homo marines remember that beast awakens has a black templar ally with a IW warband because his ex-boyfriend was the warsmith.

>>50371269
>Preferred Enemy (Dreadpucci)

>>50370911

Not when I can get old termies for $2 each or less while the new termies still cost $5 per at the cheapest.

>>50371186
Actually if we were to go off Fenris' own mythology, Morkai would be a chaos god (or perhaps a powerful daemon prince) bound to Fenris and would be providing the power for the Rune Priests spells as part of his subjugation by Russ.

>>50371435
So the SW rune priests went from "bullshit, it's still magik" to "daemon-fueled magic"? The DA can't bomb Fenris hard enough.

>>50371035
How is this meme still getting around?

Do I have to go and find every mention of the word warp or psychic power in the Wolves codex and post them?

Psychic powers come from the warp. Wolves are just idiots however in 40k that's safer then being intelligent or inquisitive.

>>50371269
More like the IW tries to ally with the shattered corpse of his ex-lover who only agrees because the Orks would kill him and all of his men otherwise.

>>50371467

Clearly not, since they are about to lose their entire star system to gangrape.

>>50371467
You know, if Magnus is so smart and Russ is so dumb, why was Russ the one who figured out a loophole to Nikaea?

Lion's loophole is still the best, though.

>>50371467
I thought it was safer to HATE ALL FUCKING WITCHES, but apparently BT love astropaths and sanctioned psykers as they have been touched by the Emperor and whatnot

Imagine if Destroyers could Chain Fire

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>>50371516
>My sorcery comes from Prospero :^)

>>50371523
Sanctioned Psykers is stupid, but the Soul Binding does put Astropaths in an entirely separate situation. One can easily imagine them being considered saints or something similar.

The real question is why the BT allow the foul mutants of the Navis Nobilite to stain the chapter fleet with their presence.

>>50371523
I mean or they could hate all of them and be stuck in the middle of space.

>>50371547
imagine if destroyers got the seeker bolts that were small blasts but they had poison or fleshbane or something like that
it would improve them and solidify their anti-infantry role and be fluffy

>>50371483
>Implying chaos ever win
I wish bud.

>>50371516
>why was Russ the one who figured out a loophole to Nikaea?
He didnt it just hasnt been explained and Russ is a hypocrite. Most of the Legions didtn follow Nikaea anyway lol.

>>50371523
BT bros just need to hold out. One bad edition doesnt mean it'll stay that way. Just look at TS right now. 2 years ago I was stuck waiting for Inferno still not out lol I would never have believed this possible.

>>50371547
>>50371565
Or could take dual Lucifex

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>>50371073
>>50371269
>>50371350

IF/IW relationships are purest forbidden love ;_;

>>50371564
You can hate witches and still use astropaths.
>>50371559
Sanctioned psykers aren't soul-bound as well?

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>>50371603
>You can hate witches and still use astropaths.

Yes! By abusing them! Its not like we need the stupid astropaths or anything!

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>>50371602
Hot loyalist tag team IW-IF homo siege when? I wonder if Perturabo's book will be awesome or extra-awesome.

>>50371603
Generally they're just trained psykers.

It's a lot of work sending psykers all the way to Terra, if you go there odds point to you leaving as an Astropath or Psyk-out.

>>50371516
What was the loophole lion used?
As far as I am aware he gets attacked by demons and just says fuck nikea librarius handle this shit.

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>>50371627

This imagine will never not be relevant.

>>50371584
>>50371565
>>50371547
Ok ok ok hear me out...

Base cost 100, 15ppam
-50 for packs
-any model can swap both bolt pistols for
Irad Cleanser 5 points
Dual Lucifex 15 points
Bolter with Poisoned(4+) Tempest Rounds 20 points

hnnnnng

>>50371666
are lucifex templates or just single shots?

>>50371676
Single shots. Forgot they were only 6" range too. Maybe like 10 points then.

>>50371649
>What was the loophole lion used?
If anyone claims you're breaking the Edict, just punch their head off.

>>50371666
>>50371700

Base cost 100, 15ppam

-50 for packs

Any model can swap both bolt pistols for
-Irad Cleanser 5 points
-Dual Lucifex 7 points
-Bolter with Venomstorm Bolts 15 points

Venomstorm Bolts
S2 AP- 18” Rapid Fire, Blast, Poisoned(4+)

Killing Salvo: When equipped with two pistol weapons, models with this special rule ignore the Gunslinger rule and instead fire both pistols a combined total of d2+2 times. Roll once and apply to the whole unit. Counts as a disorderly charge if used in the same turn they assault.

edit: fuck it's late

>>50371859
just give them an extra shot while dual wielding and lower the price a bit on jumppacks, give them options for special weapons on a 1/3 instead of on a 1/5 basis, add plasma pistols, volkite serpentas to the list, allow them to buy pairs of pistols at a discount like you've done for the lucifex and we're in buisness. not too sold on even more ":^) I shoot 21 small blasts, please go take a nap while I work out how many tears you need to cry" surely there's ways to make something anti infantry without giving everything even MORE blasts.

>>50371924
>lower the price a bit on jumppacks
went to 50 from 75. Hesitant to go below 50. Thats 10ppm for 5, which is akin to palantines, and then 5ppm at 10, which is pretty good discount.

>just give them an extra shot while dual wielding
Thats a much better idea than what I had.

>special weapons on a 1/3
Pretty solid

>add plasma pistols, volkite serpentas to the list, allow them to buy pairs of pistols at a discount
Also good

>please go take a nap
I could use one for the amount of braining im not capable right now. But I feel you on the blast thing in terms of playtime. But damn it sounds tasty. Maybe just the option of cleanser/other pistols for each and the rad missiles for 1/3

That would be a fun unit.

>>50371997
maybe just give them poison +3 bp shots, or give their BP's radphage. alchemical hand flamers with S4, more fun and illegal grenades like phosophex bombs as standard on the sergeants with options for breaching charges. maybe some sort of precursour to the pschyostroke grenades or something.

>>50371903
>>50371924
>>50371997
Just realized that an Irad Cleanser is better than a Lucifex by a long shot, more range, more potential hits, wall of death, and ignores cover vs 3 shots and +1A

So bump up the Cleanser to 10 points and add
-Dual Seprentas for 7 points
-Dual Plasma for 25 points

>>50372063
As much as I want radphage/fleshbane bolt ammo I dont think the tech is there.

More grenade types would be very interesting though.

>>50372123
>Base cost 100, 15ppam
>-50 for packs
>Any model can swap both bolt pistols with Alchemical ammo for
>-Irad Cleanser 10 points
>-Dual Lucifex 7 points
- Dual Serpentas 7 points
- Dual Plasma Pistols 25 points.
- Alchemical Hand flamers 15 points
>
>Killing Salvo: When equipped with two pistol weapons, models with this special rule Fire with both pistols twice, and in addition may fire one of their pistols an extra time.
Alchemical bolt pistols 12" S4 Ap5 pistol, Poisoned +3.
Alchemical hand flamer template S4 Ap5 Pistol Poison +3.

>>50372749
shit, I meant "May fire each pistol once - in addition, one of their pistols may be fired one additional time."

>>50371007
No, all terminators need to be made the same, just like power armour.

>>50372791
its most likely for the better if that happened yes, but good luck at FW going back on their rules and changing it now - its more likely they'd give out different rules for different marks of power armor imo.

one of many reductor anons here, I plan to convert up a bunch of techthralls with heavy chainblades and alchemical revenants, any ideas for some buff zombies that don't look too nurgly? was thinking heavily teched up sigmar cryptghouls with kromtech heavy chainsaw arms.

>>50372844
>change PA rules after people have modeled their units
>enjoy that unit you spend hours making becoming objectively shit because the armour rules don't work with their role
>FW makes different rules for different bolter marks
>enjoy Heavy 2 bolters on that unit intended to advance
>enjoy 18" Assault bolters on your gunline unit

What's that? Want to model your legion the way you want? Fuck you, you do what we tell you or you'll suck and everyone's gonna laugh at you. Buy more products!

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>>50373049

>mfw people play Horus Heresy to WAACfag+richfag

So what if I run Indomitus termie squads and bolter blobs everywhere like its the fucking Siege of Terra? So what if my rhinos aren't the Deimos pattern $40+ USD shit?

>>50373065
I agree anon

Sometimes you just can't win. "Play what you want! No not THOSE, try these STRONGER units!"

>>50373049
that sounds just like GW :^)

>>50369181
Percect.

>>50373065
>Deimos pattern hulls repair on 5+
>MkII Phobos gets extra armour for free
>FW's Outrider bikes get Move Through Cover

>>50373209

To be fair, those Outrider bikes needed something special to stop people from just importing their 40k bike squadrons.

>>50373065

I decided to make all the BoP MkIII marines into support squads for my BA plastic assault marines when, and to start AL with the BaC MkIV. AL will need more rhinos, and they're getting plastic ones because a) FW would set me back a fortune, and b) they have a 'new' look with more advanced patterns of armour and gear to contrast with my other army.

>tfw absolutly love mk2
>tfw can't afford to build an army out of it
could i use them as veterans or some other elite units ?
i'm rather new to 30k

I'm considering expanding my admech allied detatchment beyond the initial ordinator + ferrox thallax, and leaning between ursarax, vorax, or a paintrain and either scyllax or tech thralls, my most common opponents are eldar and IG, with necron/chaos daemons or tyranids showing up semi rarely, what do I want to get? that can make a fight with the eldar / daemons, but wont have the tyranid player and IG player shank me in a dark alleyway before violating my cars machine spirit?

>>50373229
>GW bikes have been in HH art forever
>"no, buy these new bikes FW just whipped out of their ass or you're a bad person"

Fuck you, I'll take a Lawmaster over an Akira every day of the week. And at least I can give them a different armour pattern.

>>50373250
There is no middle ground. If something is strong enough to compete with Eldar cheese then the only way to not get shanked is not fielding it against other armies.

>>50373248
Agreed, anon. I'm just going to wait a year and see if they make them into plastics.

But yeah, you could definitely use them as the Veteran marines!

>>50373229
I thought people bought Outriders because they were sexy, yet not overtly so (hello dick bikes)?

>>50373209
Really? Deimos just gets better hull repair? wtf?

>>50373336

Outriders are sexy, but sexy things have tended to go the way of the Squats when nobody has a real reason to use them.

>>50373336
>I thought people bought Outriders because they were sexy, yet not overtly so (hello dick bikes)?

Yeah, but how can I feel superior to the player who didn't spend all that time and effort and is using GW bikes? Since tastes are subjective and the rules are the same, I got nothing to beat them over the head with.

>>50373065
Indomitus is around at least by istvaan V, minus the crux terminatus I think. Mars rhinos are also around in reasonable quanitity

>>50373463

Its not sufficiently fluffy to field those on the tabletop, though. Its legal and fluff-correct but it has the street cred value of fielding a 40k Godhammer Land Raider that is being passed off as a Phobos.

>>50373509
>fielding a 40k Godhammer Land Raider that is being passed off as a Phobos
woops

also I'm gonna be running normal bikers as outriders because I live life on the edge.

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>>50373463
It's amazing that we have clear fluff on the matter but everyone's too busy arguing whose primarch is teh bestest instead and shitting on "40k" designs in their game.

>>50373527

To be fair, the one time I saw that shit in a youtube battle report was an instance where an Emperor's Children player was fielding a 40k Land Raider and Land Speeder squadron and got utterly tabled with Fulgrim eating Iron Hands dick.

>>50373509
>the street cred value of fielding a 40k Godhammer Land Raider that is being passed off as a Phobos.

Faggot, the GW land raider is a Phobos MkIII. And not only is the Prometheus (using MkIII hull) displayed prominently in the FW HH books, there's a MkIII Phobos in there as well.

Only argument you have is "I don't like it, so it's not kosher". Well, I don't like your shitty FW MkIIs and IIIs with their stupid flared plates, and badly designed backpacks and helmets.

>>50373365

As opposed to, say, land speeders, where the FW version pays 15 extra points and four times as much money for 1 more AV on front and sides, outflank, strafing run, a rule making it harder to hit in assault, and a twin-linked cyclone missile launcher.

>>50373561
Javelin is not a Legion Land Speeder.

>>50373559

That shitbrick sticks out like a sore loser in HH and you know it. You have all these sleek and retro designs from the Great Crusade era and then here comes Wield Al.

>>50373574

Well duh, that's the point.

>>50373531
Be quiet anon with your 'reasonable argument' or whatever, I'm enjoying my anger.

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>>50373531
>Implying people read the fluff instead of meme all day
That's your first mistake.

>>50373592
>sleek and retro designs

Only if you ignore all the equally blocky designs, so 0/10k for (you).

>>50363325
>>50363253
This is your just reward for being too stupid to add some siege wreckers

>>50373509
Theres nothing fluffier than imperial fists indomitus terminattors.

is it just me or did I make a mistake by modelling my siege breaker consul with a thunder hammer? I only did it because the BoP prospero kit had a hammer and googling siege breaker just turned up dudes with hammer.

Are thunder hammers ever worth it?

>>50373687
THammers are cool. Therefore they are worth it.

Plus, they're S10 on the +1S Blackshields.

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>>50373703
>+1S Blackshields
The weeny hut general is down the road.

>>50373713
Hey man, I only said it because I thought of making one dual wield THammers since BoP and the MkIII weapons kit comes with one for each hand, making you able to have a right and left handed one.

+1S Warlord with two THammers sounds awesome.

He has no ranged attacks, but that doesn't matter.

>>50373726
Only allowed if you call him MC Hammer

>>50366061
So in the fluff, Lorgar rounded up all the original terrain marines, the Imperial Heralds, and had them Order 66'd.

I image you could make an Imperial Heralds detachment as counts-as loyalist Word Bearers.

>>50366920
Does anyone know that that terrian peice they are on is called? I keep seeing it but don't know how to find it

>>50367546
what paints did you use?

>>50373886
Imperial Chapel of Sanctuary Ruins.

>>50373888
Well, uh.

That's impressive.

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>>50373942
Thank you anon

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I'm going to leave this here.

R.I.P. Meltabomb squads T_T

>>50373903
I tend to mix paints by eye, so I couldn't really tell you. If I had to guess it was a 2:1 mix of Caledor Sky: flash gitz yellow, followed by a thin layer of drakenhoff nightshade, and successive highlights of more yellow in the mix. final highlight was done by adding in some white scar.

>>50374007
I, for one, am happy about it.

>>50374094
>neft paper
>scissors is fine
>t. rock

>>50374007

I'd rather be a marine assigned to a meltabomb squad than a catachan assigned to a demo charge squad.

>>50374094
>>50374121
I think it'd be fine if you could choose how many to give melta bombs and only one could use it at a time. but its kinda dickish to force us to pay 100 points for one meltabomb attack in melee.

May not be the best time to ask this, since >>50362961
but what do you do to kill AV14 en masse with the Taghmata?
Posted a crudely drawn batrep last thread where the enemy and my allies brought about 3 Land's Raiders and 2 Spartans between them, and I was not prepared for defences of that magnitude.

I have two Darkfire Castellax and some meltabomb Thallax, but I did most of my damage by ramming a Triaros into them, which is not exactly a sustainable strategy. I was told there was a lot of deathstar units in 30k, but I seriously underestimated how much.
Would a Lightning Fighter work well? I often fight Knights as well.

>>50374295
Not last thread, last night. My bad.

>>50374225
>if you could choose how many to give melta bombs

You can, it's 1 or all. And if you're limited to one per close combat phase, there's really not much sense in taking more than one with the entire squad. Yeah, sure, he might get sniped, but it's less assured than the fact that more than one bomb per squad is a waste in actual use.

It's a good thing I modeled my bikes with some close combat weapons, so I can at least use them for hacking some targets of opportunity, instead of having no use at all, since I can't use them for anti-tank work.

>>50374007
>>50374094
>>50374121

I'd say that one meltabomb per turn makes sense from a fluff and gameplay point of view (they can't all affix the devices simultaneously, the rest of the squad probably covers the guy doing the meltabombing, and it's a bit excessive for a unit of infantry to autodelete any vehicle it comes in to contact with). The issue is that FW have priced meltabombs as if everyone in the squad can use them, making them hella costly. Perhaps a more balanced approach would be to allow one in 5 to have, and use, a meltabomb. Makes bigger units better at killing vehicles, without making them wildly costly.

>>50374345
>they can't all affix the devices simultaneously

But they can all punch it with their chainfists and rifle butts.

>it's a bit excessive for a unit of infantry to autodelete any vehicle it comes in to contact with

That's what infantry does to vehicles left unprotected.

>>50374345
Yet the fluff even has single characters clamp up to 4 meltabombs in place all by themselves. But I'm sure all vehicle spammers and cybernetica players are rejoicing the change.

>>50374447
I'm not even a vehicle spammer, hell, I ride the Ironfire so the only vehicles that I have are my artillery, but I agree with other anons, having a delete button on your infantry whenever they get close to a vehicle is a bit absurd. A middle ground could be better but oh well.

So did people in the crusade and heresy use the Indomitus pattern of terminator armour, then?

>>50374447

Well, there wasn't much point to anti-tank melee weapons like Evicerators if everyone can use a meltabomb and carry a more anti-infantry melee weapon.

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>>50374485
>having a delete button on your infantry whenever they get close to a vehicle is a bit absurd

Yeah, more than one S8 Armourbane attack per unit is absurd. 3 per model is totes legit.

Ok, 1 bomb per squad. Then tank can give up AC and flare shields, so I can meltagun them to death instead.

>>50374502
What units have the option between an eviscerators and melta-bombs?

>>50363157
1) Be Dark Angels
2) Sniper vet fucking shits
3) Basilisks/Scorpius, fuck just any real artillery piece (or at least Rapier w/ Phosphex)
4) Leviathans with claws

Focus on trying to wound decent chunks of them and you're probably good.
Except the Thanatar, in which you need a Laser-Vindicator.

Generally pure Cybernetica AT is pretty naff at range (though expect lightnings and Krios Venators to make up for that).

>>50374511
>tfw lascannons are trash because the usual prime targets have flare shields. So much for what once was premium tank killing hotness.

Apologies for the dumb question, but do o need to convert a normal 40k rhino at all for use in 30k. I already converted an old land raider by cutting off all the Aquilas and replacing the guy popping out with a mark III guy, do I need to do anything similar for rhinos or predators?

>>50375440
Mars pattern Rhino was used during the Heresy and Aquilas were used all over Imperial stuff, just look at, say, FW's MkII power armour, which sport an Aquila belt buckle. Palantine Aquila is a different thing from the regular Aquila.

>>50375440

Not much. In fact non heraldry Aquilas are fine on vehicles just not on armor.

Feel free to give it a multimelta like a giant badass though

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>>50375440
Nah, 40k rhino is fine. Maybe put a pintle heavy weapon on if you want.

Hell, you don't actually have to take to aquillas off, things in 30k still wear them.

>>50375440
No. Those marks of rhino, land raider etc. were already present in 30k, with aquilas on them and all. It is only some weapon loadouts that weren't 'invented' yet, like dual lascannon predators and land raider crusaders.

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>>50375512

>if you were a Salamander on Isstvan you had a 0.7% chance of survival

>>50375510
>Feel free to give it a multimelta like a giant badass though
Is it worth 15 points?

>>50375590

You haven't lived until you've punished some dude for his lack of armored ceramite with a 50 point rhino

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>>50375510
>not on armor

So where can I get some non-EC MkII armour?

>>50375636

By playing a pre discovery legion when it was still led by the emperor :^)

>>50375492
>>50375510
>>50375512
>>50375513
>>50375590
Thanks for the responses lads, time to get some cheap rhinos on eBay. I took the Aquila off as I'm playing thousand sons

>>50375623
I use my rhinos as screens and rammers mostly, so yeah, the concept is pretty novel for me.
Not to mention multimelta makes humble rhino a threat, wich is a liability due to Martial Hubris (I play AL).

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>>50375636
I like those old aquilas with more separation between the pinions.

I think this is from adeptus titanicus, which was supposed to be heresy era. Old fluff is old though, I generally like FW intepretaion of oldhammer.

>>50376415
Didn't see one but here it is. With 100% less sleeping on the job.