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Gotta Go Fast Edition

>>50283785
>Last Thread

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>>50291408
First for the last
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>>50291221

Literally in every argument about CSM and assault cannons ever, kiddo

>loyalist players so btfo they now say these arguments never existed in the first place
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>>50291408
Look at this guy. He looks so cool!

Which Bloodthirster do you rank best, I wonder? I don't play Chaos, but I saw this guy and thought he looked awesome.
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>>50291438
Ol' tatterwing.
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How good are the "Legacies of ruin" from IA 13 for chaos space marine vehicles?
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>>50291448
Varies, some are pretty great.
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5th for the Necrons
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>like the playstyle, thematics, models, basically everything about Tyranids
>they're dogshit on the tabletop and have been for years and years
>there's no update in sight, not even rumors of one

W-what do

I always wanted to get into this hobby, I finally have the disposable income to waste on it, but I'm not sure if I want to commit to an army that's just going to get stomped.
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>>50291476
If you like the play-style, why are you complaining?
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So I guess there was a new Fenris leak for Mangus' Fury or something.

At least two or three new units for Tzeentch from what I am reading but that's including thousand sons.

Anyone hyped?
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>>50291476
They are fun to play as and playing against unless your local meta/FLGS is full of WAAC guys
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>>50291476
Tyranids aren't dogshit, they just have to utilise some key units to not suck, so you're gonna be always locked into some stuff but they're far from unplayable. Go wild.
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>>50291476
than change the way you want to play, make thematic armies, or just suck it up, or find a non-meta based playgroup? one thing you never want to do is play an army you don't want to play, just to win.
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>>50291431
please don't bring your shitfit into the new threat
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>>50291476
Honestly I'd just start collecting them and play midtier armies. GW is going to most likely do a campaign for them at some point, and why collect something you don't care for?
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It's within the reason that I could use Raven Guard Tactics and model my army as Night Lords, right?
Maybe even use some chaos bits and models.
I think the Raptors look cooler than assault marines for example.
Scouts are cool to me so I will definitely be using at least two squads for my troops that I need for the Combine Arms Detachment.

What are some other "stealthy" or "stabby" models would I want to include?

How are Landspeeder Storms?

At first I was going to use Chapter Tactics: Raptors that I found but I am afraid they are just strictly better Raven Guard and would be perceived as the "WAAC" choice.

I already have the Space Marine Codex and Seventh Edition Rulebook so I was hoping to go pick up a box or two of scouts at the local shop tomorrow or Saturday.

Maybe an Assault Squad or the Vanguard Veterans with Jump Packs and a Jump HQ of some sort?
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>>50291438
I like the classic dog-head one. But he's a victim of scale creep and can't really represent a bloodthirster anymore.
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>>50291484
>>50291492
>>50291494
>>50291495
>>50291497

Thanks /tg/. You guys make some good points, I'll just suck it up and start with Tyranids.

I guess I could always start a second army if I ever wanted to be a METAGAEM-ing faggot.
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>>50291438
Destroyer > regular > wrath of khorne > skarbrand

why would i pay 300 points for a bloodthrister who only gains a weapon, adamatium will and hatred characters? skarbrand can kill anything provided he gets there. destroyer is slow but consistent D while the relic only does it on 6s to hit
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SO assuming the continuation of modern GW artists interpreting the models literally, here we have a new Tsons heavy weapon.

What do you think? Rotor cannon? mini-Gatling cannon? Assault Cannon? Something new entirely?
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>>50291525
ally with GSC if you feel you need that power boost!
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>>50291486
Well, from the video we've seen
>sorcerers on disks
>power armoured rubics
>tartaros termi rubics
>a rubic with a rotary gun of some sort
>tzaangors
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>>50291542
Are 40k Tzaangors mutated human heretics or abhumans who fell to chaos?
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>>50291542
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>enemy deep strikes in an Ironclad right next to my LRC and Missile Launcher
>unload LRC
>shoot with Multi-Melta, Melta and Krak Missiles
>3 misses
>charge with Assault Squad
>Powerfist misses
>Melta Bomb manages a Crew Shaken
>Wipes 3/9 of my assault squad members with his counter attack
>his Drop Pod kills 2 of my Tacticals
>Lysander Deep Strikes in, scatters to land right next to my LRC
>kills it the same turn with his other Terminators unloading from his Land Raider
>Ironclad kills my remaining tacticals
>only left with a 6-man Crusader Assault squad and a Command Squad on bikes after turn 1

Missing all this shit on that Ironclad sure was epic.
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>>50291566
Yes.
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So are we getting a new 40k Ahriman model to go along with Warzone Fenris Part II? It looks like he and Magnus are teaming up for the raze Fenris plan, but it would be a bit weird for them to keep using his current model if that were the case.

I mean it is by no means as bad as say, the Phoenix Lords, but it is getting a bit dated.
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>1850 pts of Tau vs Blood Angels
>he's miles ahead for first 2 turns
>he manages to set up a pair of potential charges into my broadside team and command squad, respectively, which would devastate me
>a couple models die in OW
>he rolls charge and fails for both by about an inch, because of the killed models
>next turn, a few models from each unit survive my shooting phase, and he moves them within 1" on his turn
>the rest die in OW
>shakes my hand
Tau are fun
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>>50291609
He got one in that prospero box.
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>>50291609
On the one hand, GW put out some of their best work ever in the tail end of the 2e era. On the other, they are still using it.
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>>50291614

That is a 30k model not 40k
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>>50291573
So I take it you're leaning on it being a legion rotor cannon. If so I hope it has some equivalent of malefic ammunition or Infernal bolts rather than just S3 Ap6 Salvo 3/4
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>>50291575
ironclads are pretty tough, this guy managed to easily fight my double keepers. i completely forgot to smash and was relying on rending s6
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>>50291636
Inferno bolt rotor cannon yes.
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>>50291636
>S3 Ap3 Salvo 3/4
Inferno bolts, but jack up the price for the killing power.
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>>50291614
Yes, because 30k Ahriman and 40k Ahriman look completely the same.

It's not like Kharn has a 30k model and got a new 40k model either.
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>>50291609
Could be, that's him on the left, so maybe he'll get a new model with a disk.
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Can another Tau player give a scale comparison between the XV9 Hazard and the XV95 Ghostkeel? Possibly including the commander for reference.
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>>50291665
or just the option for one.
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>>50291523

He still makes a decent demon prince.

And to the original question, Forge World bloodthirster all the way.
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>>50291665

>A disc

Isn't Ahriman specifically trying to free his legion from Tzeentch? Why would he have a pet screamer?
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>>50291681
>want to field ahriman on foot
>have to pay extra because kit comes with a disk whether you want it or not
Yep, seems legit for GW.
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>>50291706
He still used the lore of tzeentch.
Summoning and nailing a disc do the materiel realm seems in character.
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>>50291710
If you don't want options, stick with the old metal Ahriman.
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If I'm stubborn about using Pask in a vanquisher, what's a good LR variant to stick with him to form the squad?
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>>50291706
because flying melta bombs with teeth that move like jetbikes are adorable. also they eat grey knights good
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>>50291575
I understand this pain
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>>50291706
In the same way that the Iron Warriors take Daemons and shove them into cold metal shells and force them to do their bidding.

Abbadon the Armless doesn't want to rely on the gods either, but he knows he needs their power to do shit.
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>>50291738
ive seen a lot of demolishers with pasqs at my flgs
not guard myself, just what ive seen
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>>50291642
your terrain looks like chocolate
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>>50291706
He is, but remember that we're talking about a character who believes with all his heart that he isn't a servant of the Dark Gods while he is in actuality one of their chosen champions.

He'll likely see it as him bending the creature to his own will, while it may in fact just be a gift from his unwanted benefactor.

Tzeentch is pretty damn fond of Ahriman, since he pretty much embodies all of Tzeentch's motifs. So I can see him doing a bunch of shit for him, and making his pawn think it was done via his own power.
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>>50291753

That's actually an unexpected choice. I was hoping for something that has more range synergy with the long ranged cannon, but since the Vanquisher is best for cracking tough vehicles, I'm probably going to split fire a lot anyway.
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Hey /tg/,

I'll be having a friendly game against space marines, using my Necrons.

Is a Doomsday Ark worth taking to counter Centurions and Terminators?

I'm just finishing up the model now, and looking for any excuse to field it.
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>>50291827
>I'm just finishing up the model now, and looking for any excuse to field it.
Do you like it?
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>>50291769
Tzeentch fucking loves Ahriman. The Big Nine is giving Ahriman the greatest gift he can give anyone: Death and to be free from the Great Game.
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>>50291542

ASSAULT CANNONS WITH INFERNO BOLTS

S6 AP3 RENDING ON RUBRIC HAVOKS MEANS MORE GATTLING CANNON SHOTS THAN A NIGHT WARDEN, ON S&P INFANTRY WITH INVULNERABLE SAVES WITH A SORCEROR

LOYALISTS BTFO FOREVER
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GW made an article on Ahriman, which is probably the concept they're using for Fenris part 2 http://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/11/17/who-is-ahriman-part-2-by-john-french/

How do you even pronounce Ahriman's name?
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>>50291762
little known fact, willy wonka was actually a daemon prince hellbent on ruling the world through confectionery and would've gotten away for it if not for Lord Colgate.
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>>50291837
And that probably also costs more than Knight Warden.

But yeah. Unless proven otherwise, Thousand Sons will rock. GSC proved that GW can make minor factions powerhouses if they want to so TSs might as well be good.
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I have a lore question, does trazyn collect chaos artifacts? if so, how does he keep them from affecting the rest of his collection.,
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>>50291846

A ree man.
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>>50291837
>ASSAULT CANNONS WITH INFERNO BOLTS
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>>50291858

>INFERNO CANNONS WITH ASSAULT BOLTS
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>>50291884

>BOLT CANNONS WITH ASSAULT INFERNOS
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>>50291789
all the guard players at my shop try for split fire on them every turn
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>>50291853
this is how I do it
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I hope Fenris gets destroyed. GW will not kill the wolves but they can at least make them a fleet based chapter (wolves have enormous fleet).
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What's the point of the Tempestus Scions formations?

Under what circumstances would you play a game with over 500 points of flyers? The rules are nice but I don't know anyone who owns more than two Valkyries.

Similar problem for the ground assault formation, except its not so much that there's little reason to have so many fliers in your game, is more that I can't stand looking at the Taurox.
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Can't wait for the assault cannon to require a full 9 man Tson squad and cost 50 points
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>>50291920
>fenris is kill
>enraged russ emerges from the warp and beats the shit out of magnus
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>>50291846
Thanks for the link, and it's pronounced pretty much exactly as it is spelled. Though rather than "man" at the end it sounds more like "mahn" if I recall correctly.

>>50291920
This would actually be pretty cool in my opinion. It would be nice if this event actually has long lasting consequences like that.

And since there were rumors about a War in the Webway with the Thousand Sons I'm sure they will get out of this event mostly fine.
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>>50291940
>I don't know anyone who owns more than two Valkyries.
Hello. I have 4 Valkyrie/Vendettas (thanks 5th edition) and 3 Vultures.
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>Thinking about buying the Tau Xmas set
>Didn't want to buy any more Warhammer due to backlog
>Didn't want to buy more 40k because 8th is <1 year away and don't want to waste money on weak units
I'm conflicted desu anons
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>>50291920
I would assume that Fenris will get destroyed (fits the whole chaos rising/ 5min before twelve narrative for the next edition)
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>>50291957
Ok.
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>>50291846
I pronounce it AR-AH-MAN, (probably due to minor dislexia of first seeing his name as Arhiman)

though it might be closer to AH-RE-MAN (RI same as Ring)
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>>50291940
You get some neat special rules.

I wish Taurox Primes weren't so costly in points.
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>>50291846
>Ahriman is evil because he is willing to do anything to accomplish his goals. Those goals might be noble, but if you stand between him and them, you have no chance. He will reduce populations to dust, betray people, and use the worst aspects of the Warp if he needs to, and he won’t even think twice. Anyone’s suffering does not matter. Anyone else’s view or survival does not matter. If you need to suffer or die for something he needs, then that is just the way it’s got to be. It’s not that he enjoys it; it’s that he thinks that it is unimportant. It’s not gleeful, gloating evil, it’s the cold indifference of true evil.
>And just to top it off, that goal is all a lie, and the end he seeks, while walking through ashes and atrocity, is not salvation, but deeper damnation.

Okay, while French is by no means one of my favorite authors at BL, I have to admit, he pretty much nailed Ahriman's character in that post. Love it when people can show how a character can be sympathetic while still showing they are horrible individuals.
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>>50291977
>Ahriman is evil because he is willing to do anything to accomplish his goals
Ahriman is pretty GOAT desu, shame French calls him "evil"
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i know i'm late to the party here but
>>50290679
>>50290737
>>50290756
>>50290857
it literally says it shouldn't have gets hot in the errata you dinguses
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>>50291957

Well you have a few options

1. buy a lot of weed so you can pass the time quickly
2. Man the fuck up and finish your backlog and then buy new units
3. Continuously buy new units until you have no money or will to continue building them and eventually sell them on eBay to me for a low low price
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>>50291995

Why don't the space wolf ice guns have gets cold?
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>>50292006
why don't you have a mute button.
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>>50291525
Get some of that forgeworld loving so you aren't locked into the same 5x flyrant list.
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>>50291438
I fucking hate that GW stopped selling seperate bits, really want those wings for my Slaanesh Demon Prince.
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>>50292021

This is text, bub.
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@50291431
>idiot implies rotor cannons and assault cannons, one Heresy era weapon that was a mass produced stubber, the other an experimental Heresy item that was refined to a standard mark and is still prone to catastrophic failure, are the same
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>>50292037
Just realized how fuckhueg that thing is, forget what I said.
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>>50292084
Woah, the newfaggotry here
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I can't enter BL, GW, FW, WH TV facebook it shows me error with no clues what the fuck is going on.
Can anybody help me?
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So what are the current meta armies and lists/formations?
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>>50292112
bike/suit/pod/summon spam
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>>50292112
Farseers/scatbikes/wraithknights
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>>50292109
Works for me.
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>tfw I have Thousand Sons but now the new sculpts will clash with the olden aesthetic too much so I can't technically buy any.

End my life, Russ.
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>>50292179
Wait until the models release before you bitch and moan.
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>>50292179
Fucker, I own 2 full squads and a squad from Wargame Exclusive

You think that's gonna stop me?
You sound like too much of a bitch to own Tsons
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>>50292200
Same way i feel about most (Insert faction) whiners
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>>50292190
Gw's policy is that art must be identical to the miniatures themselves, and the art is pretty sexy.
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In terms of Fluff and Crunch, on a scale from 1 to 10, how would this list do?

>tfw can't make squads appear smaller
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>>50292211
That policy is so dumb, I really liked how shit looked varied in the art and used it as inspiration for some of my conversions.

So I found it especially retarded when they kept reusing the Dark Vengeance Chosen look in that recent Black Crusade book. The art was pretty shitty in it too.
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>>50292200
Nigga, you stepping on my spellbook? I go hard in the motherfucking pain(t). You come around my fucking pyramid and you question my fucking devotion to the one-eyed red jesus himself? I oughtta zap the fuck out of you mothafucka.

Sheeeeeeeeeit.

I might get a box and use them as Chosen while distributing bits and wargear to fit the new codex. I'm keeping my fucking termies though. Unsure about the beastmen
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>>50292112
if you don't have access to heavy shooting, D, psychic powers, or suits it's not tournament worthy

that said i've gotten some good use out of daemon chariots
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>>50292239
Blame British copyright laws.
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>>50292239

It's not that dumb I mean it was confusing when I first started seeing models that I couldn't buy, the art is about selling the miniatures anyways
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>>50292179
those GW conversion kits were terrible and we all know this
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>>50292273
Yes they were, imagine a total newbie to the hobby, still with his GW super glue, trying to assemble ill-fitting metal/plastic marines together.

But I've had them since the start. They're my sons.
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>>50292266
I think the art should be more about showcasing the setting and shit, rather than being a marketing tool. The miniatures sell themselves, and they already include a ton of pictures of them in the book anyway.

>>50292262
More like GW's paranoia about British copyright laws. They just don't want another Chapterhouse to happen, which I kind of get. But that was because they were retarded enough to have units and not make official models of them.

Thinking people will sell shit solely based on the art is really going a touch too far. I think just having no rules unless a model exists was a reasonable enough policy.
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>tfw someone walked off with some models of mine a few months back
>Apparently they reappeared at my gameshop in a magic the gathering box last weekend.

Went in to grab them because the owner knew they were mine and he asked if I needed iany paints and said I could grab two of whatever pots I needed.

Its going to be a good day /tg/
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>>50292262
Do explain.
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>>50292303
sometimes it's better to leave some things alone, sometimes it's not a good idea to get a cheap oop metal model, and fuck me why did i buy an exalted seeker chariot 2nd hand

might have taken a few years (i really didn't bother some for a year or so and stripped one for months) but damn it's a great feeling to get them finally done. then they die to the first thing to shoot them but that's not the point
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>>50292313
>the thief was not exterminated
can't be that good of a day
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>>50291957

>have over 1000 models in backlog
>need to buy replacement brushes and new paints
>never buy them because I figure the money I spend on painting supplies means less models

Help
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>>50292343
I know right? And they just grow on you. I mean come on, I've been playing pure CSM TS since 5th. I know the struggle and yet I still love 'em.

But those gatling guns tho..
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>>50292344
Yeah that would have been ideal.
I was wondering if it was the kids that were in the shop that day, maybe the parent returned them.
The owner said someone just came over with the little box open and told him someone left them here.
I guess they just left it under one of the tables we use in the other room.

The box looks pretty cool too I guess.

At least I got em back, saves me ~$90
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Which book is the SoB in a genestealer cult in again?
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>>50292411
What models were taken?
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>>50292430
Casts a hungry Shadow
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>>50292454
Is it not in the archive?
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>>50292443
Both of my Dread Knights :(

One of them I only had for a few days before it got swiped.
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>>50292521

How the fuck you let someone swipe not one but TWO dreadknights?? Did you leave them on the table alone while you went to the back of the store to piss in the alleyway?
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>>50292532
Stepped out for a midgame smoke with my opponent after they had both died.

There were two other people playing that I have known for years in that side of the shop and some kids (idk like 10y/o+) running around the vidya section with their mom.
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I AM THE ETERNAL DUNCAN

WHAT IS YOUR WISH?
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>>50292592
I wish for thin paints , in even coats
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>>50292592
I wish I had time to paint all my models
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>>50292592
I wish that the quality of gw paints was astronomically better without affecting the availability or pricing of any gw product.
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>>50292592
Only the chance, and willpower, to improve my skills to their peak
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Only I noticed that GW stop using dates on timeline in codex?
Why they do that?
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>>50292629

YOUR WISH IS BEYOND MY POWER, FOR CITADEL BRAND PRODUCTS ARE ALREADY THE HIGHEST QUALITY AVAILABLE IN ANY KNOWN REALITY
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>>50292668

Oh? Maybe I should take this up with the Namekian Duncan then.
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What's the best Power Weapon to pick on a normal Space Marine sergeant for its cost/value? Sword, Maul, Axe, Lance or Fist?
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>>50292645

Probably so their hack writers would have an easier time keeping track of things and shoving stuff into the 40k universe
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>>50292694

Once you go lance, you'll never go bance.
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>>50291448
Same deal with the Legacies of Glory. Whichever Legacy that lets you reroll seize the initiative, while forcing the opponent to reroll his successful seize is pretty good.

On the loyalists side there's War on Murder as the god-tier one. Stick it on a Deredeo like Raptors Anon found did, and watch it become a murdermachine that can kill a flyrant every turn, and shred tau MC/GC's to pieces.
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>>50291509
Most people don't really care if you use the forgeworld tactics. I've played with Raptors Tactics for years and few people ever bother with it.

I would recommend getting yourself an Honour Guard if you want to mix things up with making melee lists. While Land Speeder Storms loaded up with Shotgun scouts can be a pretty damn fun list. Just fly around the table shooting and charging anything you want.
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>>50292694
Fist. For +10pts +4S and ap2 is just so much better than other options.
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>Rubrics with machine guns

Guys, this is the worst tier of fluff rape, rubrics are meant to be mindless dust zombies, not able to work complex machinery.

We need to get the word out and get enough backlash against this bullshit to make them cancel it before the release. We managed 4 attack dreads, we managed BS4 scouts, we can manage this.
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>>50292794
How are you able to manage that pole up your ass?
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>>50292794
>firing a gun is using complex machinery
???
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>>50292794
>Rubrics can fire bolters
>by pulling a trigger
>Rubrics can fire a machine gun
>by pulling a trigger

You can do better than this.
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>>50292794
>zombies being able to shoot is fluff rape
>necrons
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>>50292820

How the fuck are they meant to reload it, or manage jams?

Rubrics can walk, shoot bolter, awkwardly lunge for a close combat attack. That's it, that's their limit. They can't even manage running or self defense.
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On the note of the Thousand Suns, who or what operates their vehicles exactly if the greater of their number have been turned to dust?
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Does anyone with large collections find it difficult to play anything but larger games? I hate breaking out my Blood Angels at anything smaller than company strength and my guard never sees the table below 5k. Soon, my AdMech and DW are gonna be in the same boat.
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>>50292794
>implying it's not a psilencer type gun for the psyker leading the unit

I don't see an ammo feed on that thing, do you?
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>>50292856
How do they reload a bolter or manage jams for a bolter?

It's almost like a bolter is a piece of machinery or something.

>>50292867
They use a lot of human fodder, in the first invasion of Fenris they attempted they had a few million human troops serving as meat shields and transporters.
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>>50292856
>How the fuck are they meant to reload it, or manage jams?

Same way as they do with bolters.
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>>50292856
>awkwardly lunge for a close combat attack
Huh, I guess I imagined that part where they were slitting the throats of a bunch of Space Wolves with combat knifes.
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>>50292867
Daemons, Cultists, or maybe Daemonically possessed cultists?
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>>50292856

>their limit is what I declare it to be

lol
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>>50292856
What the fuck?
No they're fully capable in close combat as they were
I hope Helio gets his memory back fighting the yiffs
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>>50292885
>Update

Bolters almost never jam, and it's as easy as fumbling a clip into a slot.

Maintaining an autocannon is like... Loading or unjamming a printer. Can you imagine a Rubric working in an office? Hanging around the cooler swapping stories with Eldar Steve from accounting? Of course not, that'd be fucking absurd.
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>>50292794
>he thinks GW gives a damn about being consistent with the fluff

>>50292856
it's a practiced motion, they're not dumb, and the sorcerer probably tells them to reload every now & again. there's a short story where one recalls vague memories

also the rubric can be reversed so maybe they'll tie that into the new release
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>>50292901

They shoulder check you at I2.
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>>50292918
of course it'd be absurd,this is the grimdark future where there is only war,not The Office
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>>50292856
>>50292794
They aren't zombies retard, they are more akin to automatons. In other words they are capable of complex actions should they be directed to do so. They only become "zombie" like when there is no sorcerer around to give specific directions, then they just walk and shoot.

Not to mention the "mindless" part is arguable too. Considering a Rubric has already been successfully turned back to a normal Thousand Son. Their minds are still there, just messed up due to the whole dust thing.
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>>50292918
Nice fanon there, broheim, I see you know almost as much about guns as GW designers do.
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These new 1k sons are giving me a new reason to continue my CSM. Thank fuck
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>>50292918
>Bolters almost never jam
.
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>>50292867
There was a C.S. Goto book that said Ahriman's rubrics still recruited but the fleshies weren't given much consideration beyond a job and equipment, so presumably it would be some mook driving the Thousand Sons around.
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>>50292918
all you have to do with a minigun is hold down the button
THERE IS NO WAY A RUBRIC WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT WTTF IT JAMS LIKE EVER 1 SECOND AND THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ASSEMBLE IT WITHIN 3 MINUTES OR ITS LITERALLY UNUSABLE
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>>50291561
>sorcerers on disks
>no juggernaut mounted zekers
Fuck you sorcerer bitches learn to war first REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
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So say that, hypothetically, the Dark Angels get their shit together and help out the Space Wolves so they survive the assault from the Thousand Sons (though Fenris itself might not).

Do you think there are any other forces that would join the Thousand Sons in a battle against them should that occur? Like another traitor Legion or Warband?

And don't you fuckers say Alpha Legion
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>>50292918

But what do they do if their bolter runs out of toner?
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>>50292978
>C.S. Goto
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>>50293000
omega legion :^)
I doubt they would considering 1K Sons kinda-sorta betrayed the other CSMs
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>>50293003
they use magic to refill it duuuuh
khorne uses blood
nurgle uses puss
and i think we both know what slaanesh uses
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Wait did i miss a fluff element did they find a way to reverse the rubric?
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>>50292996
You got your KDK codex
And Traitor's Hate
And End Times
And new Plastic Greater Daemons

Wait your turn
>which is right after Slaanesh, but before Malal
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If the Thousand Sons divided after Hariyman's rubric, does that mean there are still Thousand Sons on the Planet of Sorcerers hanging around with Horus Heresy era equipment? Could that lead to their army getting fancy shit?

And when Magnus flung all their asses into the warp did that include their vehicles and dreadnoughts or were those left behind? The transportation spell was triggered by the scarabs they all had on their armor if I remember the novel correctly so vehicles probably wouldn't have made the journey but what about all their contemptor dreadnoughts?
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>>50293015

The Thousand Sons never even officially turned renegade.
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>>50292794

Must not take the b8. But will r8 8/8. Good try m8
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>>50293027
Ahriman invaded the planet of the sorcerers in order to recast the Rubric and reverse it. Failed due to a couple of reasons I don't feel like explaining, but once his forces escaped they found out he succeeded in returning one particular Rubric, back into human form.

Basically he doesn't know how to do it on a widescale yet, but he does have the means to return them to normal.
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>>50292794
>>50292856
Rubricae have had fluff retcon for a long time. They are not mindless automatons. They still retain their old selves but they are just a bit more... dusty.
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>>50293045
Everyone always takes the bait, look how many (you)s he's getting.

/tg/ is BY FAR the easier board to troll on 4chan.
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>>50293015
>Omega
Oh you cheeky fucker.

But yeah, I can't think of any that would join up with them honestly. I pointed out the Alpha's since they seem to have something going on in the Horus Heresy books, but that's about it.

The other Legions either hated them, or the Sons despised them for turning to Chaos first. And I'm sure Magnus and Lorgar don't get along well anymore.

Maybe Iron Warriors? Pert apparently didn't hate Magnus, so they could possibly still be amicable with one another.
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The TS codex probably won't let you take Dreadnoughts even though FW has TS Dreads and Contemptor Dreads.
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>>50293081
I always wondered how that worked, like did the the marine in the Dreadnought just turn to dust in their, and sort of possess the entire machine.

And what if a powerful psyker was in a Dreadnought? Did he get the empowerment like the others?
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>>50293094
>And what if a powerful psyker was in a Dreadnought? Did he get the empowerment like the others?

Silly anon, only Blood Angels put Psykers in Dreadnoughts.
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>>50293051
Where is this piece of lore exactly? I'm curious.
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>>50293157
Ahriman unchanged

Helio Isidorus is the restored legionnaire
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>>50293157
The Ahriman Trilogy of novels by John French, basically depicts the events from his Exile, to his "current" activities.

Pretty decent read, but it also introduces a lot of interesting details in how his personal Warband and Magnus' group of Thousand Sons differ. As well as the whole Rubric thing.
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Is there a BatRep on YouTube of a full Spear of Sicarius formation?

I'd love to see these amounts of STEEL REHN.
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Probably been answered before but you guys would know best, so here goes:

Can you use the "Kill Team Cassius" Deathwatch guys as part of an appropriate squad, while keeping their special rules from the box set? If not, is the only option besides using the models as stand-ins for "regular" codex troops using them as one-man "units" of their own? What would that even be like?
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>>50293030
I HOPE WOLVES WIN AN UNDENIABLE VICTORY AND ALL YOUR NEW STUFF IS OVERPRICED SHIT.

KHORNE FOR LIFE TZEENCH BITCH!!!
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How does calling out special issue ammo work? Would I be able to bait out a jink and use the ignores cover ammo or would I have to declare it before?
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>>50293076
Magnus spent a lot of time on Terra with Perturabo and was most likely the closest thing the Lord of Iron had to a favorite brother. I could see him joining up to smash Imperium with him. It'd be a pretty terrifying combination as well, 1k Sons have the magic and oh boy do the IWs have the guns and bodies.
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>>50293234
You declare your ammo type before shooting.
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How can CSM be better? Any thoughts?
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>>50293219
A little confused on your question. Here's a couple stabs of what I think your answer is.

>1. Can I use Garran Branatar, Salamander Terminator as a normal Terminator?

Sure
>2. Can I use Garran Branatar, Salamander Terminator in a formation that calls out a Terminator?
Unless the formation has a clause saying you can sub in named characters for generic roles no.
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>>50293195
2410 points with no upgrades.
What the fuck is this
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>>50293228
Chaos has to stick together, brother! Do you not recall when the wretched Space Dogs attempted to bring us back to Terra in chains in order to remove the Butchers nails?! You should could yourself lucky that Angron has not yet taken you skull!
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>>50293240
>>50293076
Now that you guys mention it, Thousand Sons and Iron Warriors would be a pretty insane combination on the battlefield.

Considering Iron Warriors hate using Chaos shit and prefer to bind it, and the Thousand Sons not exactly being fond of being under Tzeentch's hand, they are actually kind of similar ideology wise.

And the sheer firepower both forces could bring would be terrifying.
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>>50293247
Thanks! Also do you guys know if theyre going to do a FAQ of some sorts for deathwatch? Why would they have sniper ammo for banebolts but you cant give any hq a stalker pattern boltgun?
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>>50293228
>YOUR NEW STUFF IS OVERPRICED SHIT.
Like 3/4 of the new Bloodthirster models?

Stay mad bro. It pleases your god.
>and if you stop raging, you'll be changing. Feeding giant chicken, aka best god :)
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So since Magnus and the Thousand Sons are getting a major focus, what is the next traitor Legion going to be?

I recall rumors of more Daemon Primarchs, but I don't think anyone other than Magnus was named. Who do you think is most likely?

I say Pert and the Iron Warriors personally.
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>>50293234
>can I choose what ammo to put in the gun after the enemy's reacted to me shooting it at them
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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>>50293313
New Kharne
New Ahriman
So Lucious or Typhus
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>>50293313
I'm thinking they're going to do each god specific Legion. I'd like to say World Eaters next, but KDK came out a only short while ago so that's probably not going to happen. I could see an Emperor's Children focus.
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>>50293313
Either Emperor's Children or Deathguard, since Kharn and Ahriman just got an update. Plus those Daemon Primarchs are still around.

Khorne already has the Daemonkin book, and I don't think Angron's banishment is done yet.
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>>50293289
Unless Magnus takes the field in full i-benchpress-titans-for-kicks warform, i'd be more afraid of the medusa shells the IW keep dropping on me than anything the Sons can do
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>>50293264
Sorry if it was unclear.

What I meant was, can you use Garran Brantar as Garran Brantar with his "flamecraft" special rule, attatched to a Codex: Deathwatch unit of Terminators without that special rule?

Is the only way you can field him as "Garran Brantar" by himself or in the unwieldy "Kill Team Cassius"?

As I understand it, no, and the special rules are just a gimmick that can be used in Kill Team rules?

Thanks for the answer btw.
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>>50293334
EC would mean favoring Slaanesh, which the last Slasnesh release was the Chariots? (Not counting Made to Order as those were fan chosen)

Honestly Khorne would be easiest with Nurgle being a close second.

I'm guessing Slaanesh will get a dual release (in AOS / 40K) right after or during the Aelves release.
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>>50293355
>by himself or in the unwieldy "Kill Team Cassius"?
Yeah, you either have to take a single named Terminator and give up a kill point (admittedly, he'll fuck vehicles simply by existing near them, so keep that in mind) or take the whole dysfunctional team
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>>50293332
>or Typhus

Which Space Marine Chapter has a good rivalry with him?

Didn't the DA mess with him once upon a time?

I would love if they went Nurgle next regardless.
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>>50293355
Ya. No dice. Either him solo or in the full KT.
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>>50293382
>>50293374
Ha ha, thanks.

Eh, at least the unique models are sexy enough to make up for the silliness of the unique rules.
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Do the Renegades in the Maelstrom have to listen to Abaddon or does he hold no power there?

And do Kor Phaeron or Lufght Huron have any regular contact?
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>>50293379
Doesn't Mort have a beef with the Grey Knights after that whole "carve name into heart" fiasco? Maybe he could drag Typhus along to go fuck them up or something?
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>>50292037
>>50292090
Besides the wings being huge, the outsides are also covered in giant khornate icons. that are a pain to remove and make look decent.
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>>50293371
Weren't there rumors that GW was planning on revamping Slannesh at some point? And no I don't mean the ridiculous BoLS rumor where some idiot said that Slannesh itself would be getting a model.

But I do think they might want to make that a priority if they are indeed planning on changing the aesthetic of that God.
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>>50293448
True, but I still think that the Slaanesh will be getting stuff around the same time as AOS aelves, due to the lore that they godnapped it.

Which just by going with the 40K release rumors, doesn't lend itself much space for such a large release (AOS aelves, AOS Slaanesh, 40k EC)
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Discovered Grim Skull Miniatures and saw one of their tau minis. First thing I thought was he would make a nice Sargent Harker count-as. Considering converting my entire Astra Militarum force into Gue'vesa now.

Pic related.
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>>50293507
>Tau
>being that /fit/

Now this is fluff rape.
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>>50293543
No kidding, right? Someone discovered roids.
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So I posted on WIP but this thread gets way more replies so i thought i should try here.

Just got chaos black spray paint and was wondering if its okay to use it outside while its cold? or should I just paint inside and risk the fumes. Just finished building my Raider and want to make sure I do a good job and not fuck it up.
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>>50293543

Not necessarily, I mean different tau have different muscle masses.

This Tau could hail from a world with high gravity which overtime contributed to increased muscle mass.
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>>50293602
Honestly, I know nothing about Tau fluff. I figured he was just an Earth Caste who somehow got his hands on a Fire Caste weapon.
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>>50291953
I wanna be like yoo woo woo
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>>50293635

If im not mistaken (its been awhile since I've read Tau fluff) earth caste does do some of the heavy lifting for the Tau army so that might be the case.
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>>50293656
They're technicians, engineers, laborers and builders. That is literally all I know about them.
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>>50291852
He pretty much keeps everything in stasis fields to keep everything "fresh"
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>>50291542
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>>50293583
>built raider before painting
>"hope I don't fuck up!"
Oh anon. I may have some bad news for you.
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>>50293703

Dont worry I didn't put the guys or any of the extra details on the raider, they are still separate right now, my paint scheme involves some black anyways so im not too worried about not being able to detail some of the more complex parts.
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Quick, what is the sexiest non FW vehicle and why is it the Onager Dunecrawler?
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>>50293742
CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAB TANK!
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>>50293278
NO FUCK YOU ONLY KHORNE CAN REIGN SUPREME, ONLY HIS IS THE GLORY OF BLOOD SPLITTING, I'LL TEAR YOU TO PIECES AND PLACE YOUR SKULL IN HIS BLOODY SKULL THRONE

>>50293293
>MFW
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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>>50293699
>my legs are DUST
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>>50293688
Lol, Now im imagining trazyn nabbing abaddon's sword.
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>>50293742
>Implying it's not the Heldrake
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>>50293742

a few reasons

1. it looks like a crab
2. those four legs are just sexy as hell
3. A lot of different combinations for weapons
4. Very clean look that works well with GW paints
5. Great for putting decals on.
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>>50293796
>Baleframer hitting flying targets

RRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE-
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>>50293742
Because CRAAAAAAAB TANK OF COURSE!!!
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>>50293507
That's actually a pretty good representation of being out of xv15 armor. I'm assuming that box is supposed to be the jetpack.

This is still the sexiest stealth armor
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Does anyone else think that formations are total bullshit?

Why should I get special abilities because I field a cookie cutter army formation, this just fucks up any semblance of individuality and allows for some pretty bullshit rules.

I always see people complaining about certain formations on here but why not complain about formations in general? It seems to me like they were created to sell box sets more then anything.
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>>50293953
Formations shouldn't give powerful bonuses but should merely exist to allow you to field the units they have with maybe a minor rule added on. Really powerful shit like the Skyhammer Annihilation Force or the optimized stealth cadre are bullshit but something like the First Company Taskforce or the Rapid Response Cadre aren't bad.
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>>50293953
Although I dislike formations in general some make a shitty unit you would never take viable.
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>>50293409
Are there Black Legion aligned warbands in the Maelstrom? Probably. Does Abaddon hold enough power to strong-arm Huron into doing shit? Probably not.

Chaos Space Marines are kinda like loyalist Space Marines in that you can't really tell them what to do unless you're stronger than them and willing to prove it.
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>>50293953
They should just do AoS and make the formation costs points
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>>50294016
See my problem with formations is that they started out making them really powerful and then over time decided that that was to much power and dumbed em down which makes all the newer formations trash which makes the armies who were hoping a formation would help them get on the same playing field as others just fucking terrible.
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>>50293953
Formations/detachments should be a design space for special rules that deal with different units working together and for variant organizations of forces. They shouldn't be a space for "spam a unit and it gets better." That sort of shit should be in the unit entry itself, and most of that shit shouldn't really be reliant on fielding multiple anyways.
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Other than ebay is there a good place to buy Rogue Trader minis?

I want to get 2 of pic related, cut the end of the gun off and replace it with something else to use as the flamer dudes for a unit of Storm Guardians
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Planet of the sorcerers is bringing their Tzaangoors with them

Neat!
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>>50291408
So with warzone fenris 2 being confirmed I've been wondering, how do we make Grey knights great again?

Low model count armies suck cock unless they are supremely broken units like wolfstars and such, and bar certain units Grey knights have to try very hard to earn points back.

What models could use a points decrease?

What formation rules and compositions could help them out?

I think their lore is actually pretty dope in 7th edition, the greatest of the greatest space marines, the emporers finally fuck you to the chaos gods, but on the flip side each and every Grey Knight is doomed to make the ultimate sacrifice to hold off the inevitable darkness for just a moment more.
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If we assume that the cinematic = models
Looks like i'm having a 2 HQ Sorcs, 6 Troop of Rubics and 3 Slots of Rubric Termies as my army

They just look so goddamn cool
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>>50294094
Gay
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>>50294076
I think the biggest problem I have with a Thousand Sons army is that all the cool Forgeworld stuff I would want to take is kind of crap if you give it a Tzeentch mark. All it usually does is re-roll 1s to hit and gives flamers soul blaze for a lot of points
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>>50293788
Given he's rumoured to have a primarch I REALLY wouldn't be suprised if the mad klepto space zombie fucker managed it.
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>>50294032
>Battle Company now costs 200 points to field to give you ~200 points in free transports
Eh, they'd need to go back and rethink several formations if they started giving them point costs, and it would almost certainly gut the more mediocre formation/detachment sets. The CSM ones are barely viable as is, and the Ork and IG ones are already useless.
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>>50293817
Check the faq...
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>>50294116
>CSM formations barely viable
Pfff, 300 points of terminators shooting their single shot weapons twice is useless?

Haha!
I'm laughing to hide the crying
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>>50294094
each and every Grey Knight is doomed to make the ultimate sacrifice to hold off the inevitable darkness for just a moment more.
How is that any different from literally every other loyalist astartes?

Modern GK lore is retarded. Draigo is an abomination, everyone and their brother's wife's son knows about them, and the best addition to their lore (the Blood Tide) is near universally reviled because the fanbase is retarded and/or doesn't really get the themes behind the Inquisition/Grey Knights.
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WAIT WAIT GUYS GUYS

That Bolter and Chainsword Rumour guy was right.

Daemon Primarch Magnus
Plastic 40k Ahriman
Plastic Rubric marines
Plastic Rubric terminators
40k Tzaangors (bizarre but asked twice regarding this)
Sorcerer Cabal (Not sure if new models or re-packaging)
and at the end of december; Plastic Canoness for Sisters of Battle.....

HERE WE GO BOYS AND GIRLS

PLASTIC SISTERS ARE COMING.
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>>50294174
I still don't believe it. I don't mind waiting to find out.
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>>50294157
If it gave PE instead of Hatred it would at least be neat. As is, you're better off just taking them in the Warband for ObSec. Double-tapping with a Burning Brand is cute, but the sole use of the double-tap (getting around Interceptor) is just too rare/finnicky to be worth it. The most common Interceptor unit (Riptide) is too durable to reliably kill with a couple combi-weapons anyways.
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>>50294174
>Plastic 40k Ahriman
>Plastic Rubric marines
>Plastic Rubric terminators
This is all i care about - i'll be so happy to make a list of only Rubrics
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>>50294183
GeeDubs have literally said "plastic sisters of battle" in a video. Its pretty much confirmed unless they chicken out to which there will be a backlash like no other
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>>50294183
I swear, you won't even believe it once you see the sprues.

>>50294195
Well congratulations because it's all confirmed.
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>>50294094
Paladins need a point drop. Custodes are cheaper than them and better (and they should be better than SMs)

Purifiers and Purgations are the only infantry in the codex without Deep Strike. Now whether they should be able to DS or not is a different story.

Strike Knights are straight up inferior to Terminators (11-12 points more gets you +1 A, Ld 9, and Terminator Armour).

Rather Psilencers be reworked. Personally a whole Save or Die gun is pretty unfun.

Psycannons got shit on from becoming Relentless (and a minor gripe I have is Power Armour GKs trade in their melee weapon and still pay 5/10/15pts for a Heavy Weapon) while TDAs pay 5 more points and keep their melee effectiveness (and can still charge)

And in general GKs suffer the same as all melee Marine armies for transports.

Only change I'd truly like to see is Banishment becomes -1 to ANY INVULNERABLE save, not just Daemon Saves.
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>>50293313
World eaters, Emporers children or deathguard will be after
You can see GW are focusing on god specific legions
But not entirely sure about world eaters as KDK are still newish
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>>50293583
Cold is fine
Humidity is the enemy
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>No (more) Russ any time soon. I may convert a sled Russ though.

>The Imperium needs a hero to unite them in this dark hour - not the king of the wet dogs xD

>Also, Russ isn't the public hero we need atm ^^

What did Lady Atia mean by this?
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>>50294209
All i need is some leaked rules + formations and i can dump money on them
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>>50294158
Go read the actual new codex instead of 1D4chan

The blood tide and draigo are super downplayed, with the blood tide being a footnote with no mention of slaughtering nuns, and draigo basically sacrificed himself to defeat a daemon prince who will eventually just come back, now he just wonders the warp unable to actually affect anything

Each and every high ranking Grey knight is haunted by some sort of daemon or fate that will inevitably lead to them being forced to sacrifice themselves for a phyric victory, and since daemons just return after 100 years they very rarely do anything that has any permanence.

Orkz die and don't return, chaos space marines die and never come back, every other race has to replace what's destroyed, daemons loose nothing from dying, and the codex makes it clear that the grey knights stand defiant in a war they can never win, and I think that's cool
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>>50294211
>Custodes are cheaper than them and better
This is a problem with Custodes more than anything else.
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>>50294243
I think we all know who she's talking about
It's 5 editions in the making after all
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>>50294211
Yeah palys need to become wulfin tier in the amount of rape they put out

Psycanons suck because they are a mass fire weapon and the only units that can rock more than one is palidans (expensive) and purifiers who have much better things to do

Basically right now the only viable pure GK list is just spamming dreadknights and purifiers, most other things are just prohibitively expensive
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>>50294262
It's also a problem with Paladins too imo.

In 5e Terminators were 40ppm and Paladins were 55 ppm (both getting free melee weapon swaps)

15 pts to get +1 WS, W and get pimp status.

In 7e Terminators dropped to 33ppm while Paladins stayed at 55 ppm and both lost free melee weapon swaps.

Rather they kept the 1.375 ratio between them, which would've brought Paladins down to around 45pts, (and now under Custodes)
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>>50294259
>Blood Tide downplayed
Exactly.

Draigo still manages to punk a daemon primarch in his own lair and graffiti the body. Can you imagine the rectal rage if the next CSM codex invents an Alpha Legion character who sneak-murders his way onto Macragge and tattoos a hydra onto Guilliman's ass?

>Orkz die and never return
Are you serious?

There are multiple CSM characters that prominently feature resurrection as part of their schtick.

All loyalist astartes are destined to die in a losing fight to keep the Imperium of Man from crumbling.
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>>50294322

I think it's even easier for Orks to come back if what happened to Mogrok or Tuska is to be believed.
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>>50294299
>wulfin tier

I don't want them broken, just competitive. In 5e I could justify running Strikes, Terminators, Purifiers, or Paladins and not feel like I was gimping myself.
Now everytime I run Paladins I wish I ran more TDAs.
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>>50294344
there is absolutely no scenario where you should run palidans over dreadknights, there's no scenario to every run anything in the elite slot other than purifiers, and it would be a tough argument to justify using anything as your HQ other than a ML3 Libby

I'm not asking for Vanilla SM levels of variable lists, just want 2 or 3 builds that I can actually try and win a casual game with
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>>50293910
Xv15 should be repacked and rebranded as a line armour without stealth at 17ppm

Good idea or bad idea?
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>>50294403
Oh I agree. You would think a codex with effectively only TWO options in each slot would be an easy balance. But GW fucked it up.

>Personally I ignore the entire Elite slot.
Paladins are overpriced, GK Dreadnoughts are even more expensive than vanilla Dreadnoughts for a fixed 6++ power... (seriously give GK Dreadnoughts Reinforced Aegis, which allows any blessing cast by the Dreadnought on itself to target all GKs within 12"), and Purifiers don't fit my style.
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>>50292668
>>50292685
Fuckin' kek.
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>warzone fenris volume 2
I FUCKING KNEW IT

people were RIGHT when the wulfen were released

Space Yiffs are getting another fucking supplement full of no doubt OP bullshit and thousand sons are going to be in the back of the book for them to jerk off to.
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>>50294322
Yeah I mean the whole point is the imperium is one second from midnight

But you have to agree that In the Grey Knights codex its a much larger theme to them
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>>50294517
Are you actually this retarded?

The entire novel will be putting Thousand Sons first, that is almost guaranteed with the new models we have seen.

It is entirely possible they may get a small formation but we can hope they give it to a different supporting faction like GK or something.
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I play 40k Admechs, and I originally wanted a faithful port of the 30k non-cybernetica units to 40k in IA14 alongside the automata.

But after starting to get into and collect 30k Mechanicum myself. FW will have to either make every release Skitarii or nerf the shit out of them to avoid massive brokenness in War Convocation armies.

For instance, take Myrmidon Secutors. Normally a poor choice in a 30k army, as they are overcosted, require an expensive transport and have to select 2 expensive guns to be fielded at all.

Take them in a War Convocation and you can fire either 2 haywire blasts, 6 BS5 S6AP3 shots or a plethora of other options for 40 points per T5, 2W 3+/5++ model.

Although short ranged, these can be carried in a land raider chassis transport with Scout, reserves manipulation, Armoured Ceramite, a Flare Shield and 2 Torrent Fleshbane AP3 templates, as well as nearly every standard vehicle upgrade. All for 195 pts.
FW better get this right, or it will be either useless or very, VERY powerful.
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>>50294536
My theory is that the first book was wolves, the second book will be mostly Tsons, and the final book will be for GKs and other assorted factions
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>>50294536
say whatever you want, but I seriously doubt CSM/Thousand Sons are getting anything beyond the new models we've already been shown (magnus and a thousand sons kit) and possibly a formation to field them

the first book had some pathetic daemon releases in the back... it was all garbage.
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>>50294550

war convocation is one of the most restrictive metaformations in the game, you wouldn't be able to fit any automata into a war convo
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>>50294584
Magnus, Terminator Rubrics, Melee Rubrics, Shooty Rubrics, Tzaangors, Sorcerors on discs. Maybe a new Ahriman.
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>>50294584

the "pathetic daemon releases" are incredibly powerful wtf are you talking about
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>>50291897
>CANNON BOLTS WITH INFERNO ASSAULTS
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>>50294584
They're a separate faction (see the Magnus box top faction header) with at least four kits (Magnus, PA Sons, TDA Sons, Tzangors). Even if the TDA isn't a full separate kit (maybe just an upgrade sprue to be used alongside any of the other TDA kits), that's still at least four separate bran few unit data sheets needed. Plus whatever they do for Sorcerers and vehicles.

I get that it's smart to be wary, but you're just being stupid.
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>>50294633
INFERNOS WITH ASSAULT CANNON BOLTS!
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>>50293025
>and i think we both know what slaanesh uses
Sick riffs
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>>50293742
>what is the sexiest non FW vehicle
The Vyper
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>>50294631
Powerful? Yes
Incredibly limited? Yes

2 formations per god, with 2 neutral.
Each god formation incredibly mono-build.

Because a core of 500 pts with 7,8,9,10 units because muh numbers is fun.

Would've liked something a little more open for multiple gods
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>>50293796
>Helchicken
>sexiest vehicle

Absolutely not. I hate the Chaos flier and wish we got something less retarded.
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>>50294614
True, but remember the Cult Mech section is their standard FoC. Any cultmech stuff in IA14 can be included, even if the points would be a bit tight.
Hell, if we get Castellax we could run 2 T7W4 MCs with all their upgrades as troops and use Myrmidon Destroyers in Triaros for Grav.
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>>50294517
>bitching without knowing what's actually happening
/TG/ as usual but

>massive thousand sons release
>rubrics
>cult terminators
>unknown rotor weapon(probably reaper autocannon stats because that's a TS weapon)
>disc characters (probably a unit)
>tzangors aka cultists+
>new rules
>Magnus
Very space wolves indeed
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>>50294559
This is the last book Tim.
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>>50294948
Of Warzone Fenris. Then there's a new campaign book later. War in the Webway.
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>>50294948
I hope so, where does it say it's only two though?
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>>50293742
MkI Land Raider.
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>>50294960
>yfw fenris is actually awebway Nexus and that's why the Emperor wanted Russ to stay on Fenris.
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>>50294243
I also think that its going to be Guilliman.
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>>50295025
>Magnus returns to Fenris.
>It will take a Primarch to stop a Primarch
>Good thing the Dark Angels brought their own.

Lion vs Magnus
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>>50295025
>>50295057
>Implying Russ won't rush out of the Warp after 10,000 years to punch Magnus in the DICK

Like GW is going to have anyone else fight the Thousand Sons.
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>>50295057
They're just going to fire the Lion's comatose body out of a railgun at demon!Magnus.
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>>50295069
i seriously hope it doesn't happen because "the wolf time" is such a stupid fucking name
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The thousand sons will destroy Fenris or at least make inhospitable(even for the wolves) in a pyrrhic victory the wolves will survive and become a spacefaring chapter.

Screenshot this.
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>>50295069
>Like Lion won't drop Wulfen Russ in one punch after banishing Magnus.
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I hope thats 1k Sons will burn Fenris, kill some wolves and say "good bye" witch no "Grimnar rape Magnus in duel and tattoo his one eye witch name of russ" also hope Russ will not show himself.
And I hope Stern will survive.
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>>50295159
I think the Space Wolves and Khorne have been in the midst of a "who can give our troops/items/vehicles/etc the absolute fucking dumbest names possible" competition that's just gotten completely out of hand. Between the Wolves throwing the word Wolf into literally everything and Khorne throwing blood/skull into everything I'm not even sure which side is winning anymore.
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>>50295162
I fucking said this a few months back.

>>50295200
Are you having a stroke? Do you need assistance?
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>>50295159
>"the wolf time
>bad name
Fucking what.
I mean how am i supposed to rally my wolf guard of my space wolves without my wolf chariots and fenrisian wolves and wolf cavalry.
On any time but wolf time?
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>>50295200
>And I hope Stern will survive.
Stern either needs to get off his ass and kill M'kachen once and for all and become promoted to Grand Master or die and make room for somone new.
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>>50295233
wolves wins.
khorne is using 2 words, khorne followers know more worlds than sons of russ.
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Would I hate myself for glueing a Wyvern as a Wyvern instead of magnetizing it to also be a hydra?

Hydras are so bad.
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>>50295069
We can hope

>>50295125
>They're just going to fire the Lion's comatose body out of a railgun at demon!Magnus.
With Leman pulling the trigger I hope

>>50295190
>>50295057

Pic Related

>>50295257
>Fucking what.
This
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>>50295257
Will they be wearing their wolf-tail talismans to prevent themselves from being driven into bloodlust by their wayward Wulfen brothers led by the mighty Wolf Priests all while riding into the Wolf Times in their Stormwolves?
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wolf fags are a true cancer to this hobby

I hope magnus delivers justice to those furries and deletes them from the galaxy
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Are there like any well known bad ass orks or necrons? I feel like 40k is just a huge space marine circle jerk. Why is that?
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>Long time Sisters player
>Legit rumors of plastics soon
>1ksons are favorite legion
>confirmed new shit soon

Fuck me. I want more shit, but I don't know if I should spend money.
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>>50295315
Rumour that said TSons details also said SoB, so both confirmed!
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>>50295313


Tuska Daemon-Killa
The Beast
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>>50295332

You're not helping!
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>>50295313
>Why is that?
Because they are center stage for the main storyline

If you don't know of any of the big bad ass orks you are a newfag.

Necrons are boring as hell.
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>>50295313
Wazdakka gutsmek
Killboy
Zagstruk
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>>50295313
TUSKA FUCKING DAEMONKILLER
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>>50295313
for necrons theres Tarzyn and the Silent King
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>>50295313
Because Space Marines sell like hot cakes.
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>>50295313

IMOTEKH THE STORMLORD
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Made to Order are up on the NZ site.

Chaos Space Marines Sorcerer with force staff and plasma pistol - 26 NZ$

Emperor’s Children Lord - 26 NZ$

Chaos Space Marine Khorne Lord - 30 NZ$

Daemonettes - 83 NZ$

Daemonettes on Steeds of Slaanesh - 90 NZ$
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>>50295453
Man you missed the perfect opportunity to bitch about GW price gouging the Daemonettes for near a hundred bucks
>without mentioning being on NZ
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>>50295494
That shit annoys the hell out of me.
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>>50291613

>No pic related to crush his dreams and rape his mother

0/10
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>tfw played DA since 3rd ed
>tfw bandwagon-jumping shitheads

I'M HERE TO CHEW BUBBLEGUM AND DEATHWING BITCHES

AND I'M ALL OUTTA BUBBLEGUM

POST DARK ANGELS
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>>50295313
Orks:
Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka
Grukk Face-Rippa
Kaptin Badrukk
Wazdakka Gutsmek
Tuska, the Daemon-Killa
Necrons:
Imotekh the Stormlord
Anrakyr The Traveler
Nemesor Zahndrekh
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>>50295453
>Daemonettes - $83
>Daemonettes on Steeds of Slaanesh - $90
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>>50295624
Yes NZ is expensive, wow such meme.
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>>50295624
NZ$

Work on your reading.
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>>50295608
I started in 6th so I'm arguably part of that bandwagon, but here you go. I'm planning on posting some of my painted black knights and veterans but I'm scared that what I consider to be a nicely done paint job is going to be complete garbage on-camera.
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>>50295453
>no doomrider
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>>50295608
>TFW you just want to field a huge lions blade force and march across the table with a withering hail of plasma and boltshells
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>>50295630
>>50295639
don't forget , even when converting there is still an extra price drop because of the high import taxes over there
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>>50295741

SON

YOU GOT THE HEART OF THE LION IN YOU

YOU'RE GOOD
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>Post yfw you roll a 6 on the WL trait for Genestealer Cult, and have your Patriarch and 20 Genestealers kill a Wraithknight T1
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>>50294973
>>50294960
>>
Will next saturday be the release?
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>>50295608

>almost started DA back in 4th
>decided not to because of too many Marines
>almost started them again in 5th
>new shop is 50% Marines
>shop closes
>new one opens years later
>maybe this time
>DA are starter army
>all the Marines

I'm Greenwing in spirit.
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>>50295789

GREENWING?

DAMN SON, YOU'RE COMMITTED

YOU'RE GOOD TOO
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>>50295771
What's your point? Fenris ends 26th, then War in the Webway is a different story thread.
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>>50295624

should be £25 for daemonettes and around £26 for steeds

how long do these stay up, what do you think? like a week or so?
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>>50295848
2 days, 5 if they sell well.
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About how tall are the Sala pyroclasts models compared to regular tacrines? Thinking about fielding one to represent Fury of Nocturne.
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>>50295057
>Lion vs Magnus
>this kills the lion
Do you want the lion to die? he couldn't even kill a possessed proto astartes, fighting a daemon primarch is an overkill
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>>50295856

Fuck my life, wanted to check out the Black Friday deals before dropping 300 quid on Slaanesh. Nice timing
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>>50295871
I mean he beat Russ, Kurze and Tzeentch's favoured daemon.
Magnus should be easy.
The real question is, will DA even get anything crunch-wise in the supplement? We're basically the only relevant chapter to not get a supplement...
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>>50295057
Victory for the Lion
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>>50295810

Yup. It's not the Termies or the Bikes. In fact, I hate how Deathwing looks, but I know fielding them would be inevitable. I have always loved the look of Greenwing, despite everyone always telling that if I wanted to run Greenwing, I should just run green colored Codex Marines. Mind you, this was back in the 5th edition days when C:SM had all the toys and DA were well behind, like needing Samael for RW troops.

Anyway, preheresy Thousand Sons are the only looks I like more than Greenwing, at least in terms of space Marine flavors.
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>>50295190
>the guy that couldn't kill a possessed proto astartes will kill an equal being in a serious fight
>mfw
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>>50295306
>thinly veiled tau fag trying to redirect the community hate towards other factions
No, fuck you and your bullshit click and erase units
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>>50295608
>tfw just got started in the hobby
>wanted to salamanders
>they suck crunch-wise
>damn, green's my favorite colour
>Dark Angels huh? They even have their own list?

My tactical marines just arrived today, now to get to building and painting.
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>>50295686
I grabbed my friend's dangles from dark vengeance he wasn't using in sixth because I thought the models were fly and I loved the crazy wargear selections like porta racks, infra visors, and displacer fields. Really got that arrogant and austere good guy that's the bad guy flavor of the imperium of man.

Started focusing on a Ravenwing allied force because I loved their techno knight monster hunter turned space police lore in the BL stories.

Annnnd now they're cheese and honor forces me to let them rest.
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>>50295919

Greenwing is actually fun now, just for "HOW much plasma can I cram into one list?!"
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>>50295919
Greenwing is coolest and has best robes. Company vets and huge helmet company master swordsmen with tricked out plasma guns.

Someone explain to me why 7th stole all the neato wargear and flavor and turned dangles into the overwatch marines, please? I already have imperial fists, I didn't need more stubborn marine guys who shoot and get charged.
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>>50295909
>I mean he beat Russ
After he dropped his guard to laugh after a week of continuos fighting
>Kurze
Because he sucker punched kurze in the middle of a conversation
>and Tzeentch's favoured daemon
Everyone and her mother have done that
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>>50296007
People who play dark angels with grav instead of plasma disgust me.

If you aren't using a weapon shows you hate heretics so much you'd rather die than not kill them instantly with the power of the sun, why be unforgiven?
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>>50295977
I know our codex got loads better with seventh, but why did they have to take away the porta-rack?
I mean I get why they took the power field, but what did the porta-rack ever do to anyone?
Just remember: bikes, like everything else in the game, are only as cheesy as you make them.
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>>50296007

Yea, that's how I wanted to play it, too. It's a shame the higher BS for overwatch is wasted on PCs. Sadly, I have a shrodingers wallet right now be she's of the potential for plastic sisters in the near future AND Tzeentch Marines.

>>50296028

Idk man. I honestly, expected them to get some weird plasma thing like rerolling gets hot or whatever.

But yea, the green armor, robes, and swords are all sweet. Hell, I bought the Power Sword for the Space Marine game just for that reason.
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>Ebay merchant tears intensifies
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>>50296083
Exactly, I feel like they wanted to streamline it for simplicity but killed a ton of the fun - like what happened with dark eldar and necrons.

Yeah, I'll bring em back soon. Ive just sidelined them to work on some tempestus for a bit.
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8e split Black Templar codex please?
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>>50296128

Good. Fuck them.
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>>50293742
>crab tank
>sexiest vehicle
You're almost right, but the sexiest vehicle is in fact just one page prior to the Onager's datasheet...
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>>50296195
Dragoons are basically 40k's version of pic related.
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>>50296221
>implying there's something wrong with the Omnissiah Garrison's immaculate design
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>>50296228
>Omnissiah Garrison

You mean Magos.
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>>50295955
>wanted to salamanders
>they suck crunch-wise
Lolwut
What are Drop Sterns?
What is a Skyhammer?
What is a Lib Conclave

Salamanders can be just as Brutal as most other Chapters.
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>>50296252
In my smugness I mispoke, I'm sorry. I'll recite some canticles and prayers in atonement
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>>50296054
Dark Angels were never too much into plasmaguns, they only got plasma cannons on their tactical squads because they're the oldest legion and have the largest amount of the biggest toys.
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>>50296221
I think you mean...
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>>50296297
Nah, I think Dragoons are also derived off of that design.

GW must really love South Park's designs though.
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>>50296260
He means fluffy salamanders.
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>>50296281
While I agree that it's more about their status as 1st legion getting them all the best gear, you gotta admit they show a clear preference for the plasma weapons and their overkill nature towards the killing of traitor marines.
>>you gotta admit it, anon
>>ADMIT IT
>>WE HAVE WAYS OF MAKING YOU ADMIT IT
>>
>>50296328
Whew, lewd.
>>
>>50296297

jesus christ, what fucking garbage
>>
I just finished packing my Orks for a game to tomorrow, I cant wait to see how they do!

What are you doing this weekend, /tg/?
>>
>>50296522
Got a game with my orks and picking up my new deathwatch marines
>>
>>50296522

Bringing my fully painted IG army out in all it's glory, probably to get tabled / lose horribly at objectives.
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>>50291738
regular battletanks
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>>50296007
>Greenwing is actually fun now, just for "HOW much plasma can I cram into one list?!"

Not nearly as much as Ravenwing, I can tell you that much.
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>>50296578

>Ravenwing strike force can make a list where every single unit has plasma
>also its actually good

Just take an HQ with a combi-plasma and then 100% Black Knights.
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>>50296522
Got my first tourney tomorrow. 850 points.

No fucking idea how to run my Black Templars yet, want to bring a Land Raider, no idea what else to go for, since I only have Assault Termies, Crusaders, a Drop Pod, a Venerable Dreadnought, Grimaldus, a Command Squad and an Emperor's Champion so far.
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>>50296522
Studying and applying to jobs and hoping to squeeze in time to paint my kataphron gravrapers
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>>50296612
Combi Plas isn't even worth it, just give the lib an Auspex, lvl 2 and a bike, stick him with the 5 man Command Squad with a Dark Shroud on its tail and add in four MSU BK units and a RW Support Squad.

EZ 1500

I once fielded all 24 of my Black Knights and all three Darkshrouds in a 3000pt game against Ultramarines.

He had an MSU Battle Company and Skyhammer that got shrekt
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>>50296522
Probably gonna paint up my warboss or continue kitbashing my khorne lord
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>>50291408

>>50296721
>>50296721
>>50296721
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I just bought XCOM 2 to try and fill the void not being able to play has left since I moved to 3rd shift, and it's only making me want to get down to the LGS even more!
I need some modelling to do on my off night, is a wall of martyrs worth buying, the old aegis is getting a bit stale for the guard
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>>50291408
Tried to make a casual but interesting Tau list. Am I missing anything that's going to gimp me?

1500 pt.

>HQ
190 - Commander Ra'lai

>Troops
85 - Breacher Team (6 + Shas'ui + Guardian)
90 - Breacher Team's Devilfish (Point Defense)
70 - Sniper Kroot

>Elites
90 - 3x BC Stealth Suit
90 - 3x BC Stealth Suit
130 - Fusion Ghostkeel with TL Flamers

>Fast Attack
180 - 2x Remora
55 - Tireless Hunter Piranha
265 - Y'vahra with Stim

>Heavy Support
255 - 3x Missilesides with SMS and VC

The idea is that most units can fill multiple roles (anti-infantry, anti-light vehicle, anti-air, glancing shit to death with Haywire) and that multiple units fill each role.
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Hey guys i was thinking about making a Son's of Medusa army using Iron Hands chapter tactics. I have two questions. One, is this legal? And two, how do i do it? I've never run space marines before and i don't know the first thing about them (my local meta is kind of odd, we don't have any marine players. We gotta half a dozen necrons, the admech guy (me), an imperial guard player, two nid players, a guy who plays tau, and a guy who plays Eldar.). Anybody have some advice? I wanna play with a bunch of tech-marines vehicles and dreadnoughts.
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>>50296745
>>3rd shift
What jerb you werk?
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>>50291448
From personal experience, the Screams of Lugganoth one is worth it if you're running a melee-focused army. Each vehicle being able to deny Overwatch within a 12" bubble is pretty fucking brutal and makes unit charges that much more deadly.

This kills the Eldar and the Tau.
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I FUCKING CAME
JESUS FUCK
HELP ME

http://imgur.com/a/wjrf5
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>>50298243
Risky click. Paid off.
So is it a codex or what? I'm a bit lost on what the whole Warzone Fenris thing is.
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>>50298276
Same. I think it might be a codex? But what's the Warzone Fenris bit about then? Who cares though, Rubrics with rotary cannons and the potential of still being slow and purposeful, maybe with inferno bolts? I'm sold no matter what.
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>>50298348
>Rubrics with rotary cannons and the potential of still being slow and purposeful, maybe with inferno bolts?
I'm in.
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>>50298243
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