/tgesg/ - Weekend Elder Scrolls Lore General

What motivation would a paladin of Peryite have? How can I justify the wanton slaughter of bandits and sorcerers in the name of the natural order?

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Are there's any living students of Sotha Sil?

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>>50291021
2920 mentions a few students he had when he was a teacher at Artaeum. Some of them could probably still be around.

Maybe atleast one of the Psijic Order members you meet in Skyrim was a former student of Sotha Sil?

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>>50291069
I wish we had more books with drawings

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Praise Azurah.

>>50291069
But to be fair, 2920 is a work of fiction, which complicates things.

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Do you think Reachmen are cannibals? I could imagine them eating Nords they've captured.

>>50290905
You were ordered to do it, naturally.

>>50291989
Which ones? An innkeeper living in Jehanna? A beggar in Markarth? A Forsworn tribal living in the Reach that doesn't even speak Cyrodiilic?

>>50292371
Tribal Reachmen ofcourse.

>>50291332
>2920 is a work of fiction
what? seriously?

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>>50292757
Yeah, it was written by Carlovac Townway sometime in the Third Era. He's a famous Breton historian turned author.
He's a contemporary of Waughin Jarth (Dance in Fire) and Baloth-Kul (The Horror at Castle Xyr).

Ted Peterson is the man behind all the characters and their books, as well as a lot more. Very important developer.

>>50292757
Historical fiction. The premise, the events and their outcome are historical (as historical as things concerning the First Era can be), but with plenty of author-induced fluff.

>>50291332
>>50292852
What's this art from? It looks nice

>>50293471
Art of Khajiti panteon. Someone posted a link to a forum thread with them last week.

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>>50293471
It's concept art from some mod.
https://www.darkcreations.org/forums/topic/2638-the-pantheon-of-elsweyr/

I like it a lot, my only complaint being that it's perhaps a bit too humanoid-focused. But the style is cool.

>>50291989
They worship Hircine. It would not even remotely surprise me if worshipers of the father of lycanthropes and god of the hunt ate people they killed.

Also they're backwards savages.

>>50292757
It is historical fiction, in that all the events and circumstances surrounding the characters in the book are likely true, it's just that the interactions and some personalities of characters are dramatizations and likely not accurate.

>>50291989
Depends on the tribe really. Some worship Namira, amongst them it is probably common.

>>50293513
>>50293598
Very swirly, I like it.

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>tfw you have to scrutinize the wiki more closely than before because some of their sources come from baseless ESO bullshit

>>50294197
In 30 years, when TES 7 comes out, it won't fucking matter, so get over it and go back to reading webcomics.

>After all, there's nothing like the wilderness life. Waking up with the sun, shaking off the frost. Catching an orc for breakfast - ever have orc guts fried over stinkwood? Oh, that's a treat! Checking each stream for dead giant spiders - or live ones! Imp jerky for lunch! Scanning the ridges for dragonlings! Standing guard against Ice Daedra in a blinding snowstorm! Oh, what a life!

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What little additions could Skyrim have used for a bit more flavor? Without derailing in complaining or pointing fingers; I can understand Bethesda not doing everything the way we want it to

>more Nordic mysticism with ancient rituals, animal sacrifices, shamans, worship of the old Nordic pantheon, a few living Dragon cultists here and there
>more hermits living in mountains, more isolated villages, Skyrim is a bit too urbanized/cosmopolitan
>sky whales
>more Nords actually wearing fur instead of cotton/linen/wool (not an expert of fabrics) like Imperials do
>more Nords casually walking around with an axe in their holster just like redneck Americans in open carry areas
>more megafauna
>Ancient Snow Elf ruins
>a Merethic era city (like Saarthal and Bromjunaar) still inhabited
>Direnni ruins in the Reach
>settlements of non-savage Reachmen with their own architecture (pic related)
>less anti-magic autism, Nords are supposed to be masters of frost magic

>>50294582
Skyrim completely missed out on the Nords tribal aspect.
That is in my opinion its biggest mistake.

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Is there an elaborate explanation for the over sized objects in the Imperial Palace basement?

>>50294582
Atmoran descended Nordic totemism and religious practices as described in the original planning documents.

More painted cows.

Wasabi.

Clever-men.

Nords in the farthest northern areas who walk around naked and still don't really know what the Empire is.

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>>50294845
>implying that isn't jagar tharn's throne

>>50294845
Leftovers from when previous emperors had Daedric princes as house guests, maybe.

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>>50294582
Religion and superstition were lacking in the game.
I'm playing morrowind for the first time and every nord blames their problems on witches and snow elves.

The piece of the design doc that Kirkbride showed was good, especially with the Alduin ritual.
The ruins and temples just felt like locations to put bandit camps, they didn't feel like an in-universe thing.
They felt like a place for bandits to fight and maybe a quest to find some object in a tomb filled with draugr and a big chest full of leveled loot at the end.

Also people interacting in taverns. Why have bards when nobody's going to drunkenly sing along?

Here's one thing that was good in Skyrim: the design of the dragon cult barrows.

Pretty much everything that translated from the excellent concept art is nice.

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>>50294582
More focus on prominent families like the Graymanes and Battlebornes, not always so blatant as every city having a Stormcloak/Imperial family, but something

And, more chainmail. The guard and stormcloak outfits nearly do it, and look good, but there's still not enough chainmail.

Ascetic Nords walking around in the snow in loin clothes and shouting, sometimes appearing in High Hrothgar

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>>50295044
>ywn an austisitcally deep festival system that makes parades and rituals appear on local holidays, with special pricing and items for that day

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>>50295328
I like that helmet with the pig on top. Helmets with dragons like in pic related would've been dope aswell.

Despite some people complaining about 'generic viking aesthethic' I actually liked the helmets with horns or antlers.

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>>50295569
The Blades helmet had dragon on the top and the tongue rolling out as a nose guard was a nice touch.

Another pig for you.

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>>50295569
the red diamond symbolism (representing the heart of lorkhan) is interesting aswell

>>50295627
The Red Diamond is the Amulet of Kings.

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>>50295621
>The Blades helmet had dragon on the top and the tongue rolling out as a nose guard was a nice touch.
holy fucking shit, never noticed that
I think it's supposed to be a short burst of fire he's breathing though

and thanks for the pig

>>50294582
>less anti-magic autism, Nords are supposed to be masters of frost magic
>>50295044
Onmund did somewhat touch on why nords are more touchy with magic nowadays. He says it has to do with a combination of:existing preference for physical weapons, superstition/fear left from the oblivion crisis and the Great War with the elves (who love their fucking magic), and in winterhold the great collapse adds to it.
It's by no means a perfect explanation of every aspect, but to some extent it explains a good chunk of everyone's issue with it. Granted, 200 years is a long time to still be fearful about something like that but whatever.

>>50295621
>had
It still does in the base game even

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>>50295627
>>50295646
but that was destroyed in oblivion wasn't it?
wouldn't that affect the armour design of the legion?

Or would the overt presence of such a symbol of authority (one that no longer exists) fit well with an empire that is collapsing.

>>50295707
Traditions stick around. The Legion is probably still called the "Ruby Ranks" by many.

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>>50295569
>>50295627
>>50295707

What's with such amateur stiff poses?

>>50295707
>>50295646
It's both. The Red Diamond of the Empire represent foremost the Amulet of Kings, and incidentally the hole in Lorkhan's chest.

Because Lorkhan and Akatosh are the same thing.

>>50295846
It's concept art.

So you can see the armor.

N'wah.

>>50295846
>what is concept art

>>50295850
Sure, but for Imperials it doesn't really represent the Heart of Lorkhan. There's a difference between the metaphysical connection and what the symbol means to most citizens of the Empire.

>>50295846
>amateur
I'm sure your deviantart OCs are much better.

>>50294217
You mean ESO2?

>>50296001
Sure, most wouldn't know it, but in every other regard it does.

>>50294845
wtf

Do you have a favorite deity that is not of the 9 or considered a prince?

>>50297504
HoonDing is pretty cool. Riddle'Thar too.

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>>50297504
I like the Khajiiti pantheon, so Azurah is probably my favourite.
Fadomai arguably counts, though she's dead.
Baan Dar is pretty cool, and Riddle'Thar to a lesser extent.

Merid Who Held the Whole of the Blackblock Under Her Hood is another favourite, and a few cool Magne-Ge deities are Wode-Rub, Swath, Clan Box, Mnethm and Phophec.

The HoonDing is pretty boss, as is Diagna, who is one of his avatars-become-deity. Leki, Sai and Ebonarm are also cool. Probably my second favourite set of weird gods after the Khajiiti one, though these are more removed from other deities.

And lastly, just to be super obscure, I'm going to give a honourable mention to Ephen.
I want to play a paladin to Ephen and just spend the majority of my time being really confused as to what my god is actually all about, but never admitting my doubts to anyone.

>>50297863
>Azurah
mane pls

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>>50298069
>implying azurah is anything like azura
Heretic pls go.

>>50298099
Don't forget to lick the Altmer's boots for "bringing back" the moons

>>50297863
If I can pick Merid, then I pick Merid.

Or her sister, Mnemoli. Or Xero-Lyg.

Maybe the Leaper Demon King.

>>50294582
>just like redneck Americans in open carry areas

Redneck here. No one does this.

>>50298529
This, rednecks live in places where it is extremely unlikely that they will ever need to defend themselves with deadly force.

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How would one go about playing a Knight of the Imperial Dragon from a lore perspective? Are they an actual order of knights with their own autonomy from the legion or just a high ranking soldier? I know Morrowind treats them as just a high rank within the legion and from what I can remember they're absent from Oblivion and Skyrim.

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YOU FOOLS, DON'T YOU SEE WHAT THE ARGONIANS ARE DOING?

THEY'RE STEALING YOUR SEMEN IN ORDER TO CREATE MORE SOULS FOR ARGONIANS, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T MAKE SOULS IN THE ELDER SCROLLS WORLD, ONLY RE-USE THEM

THEY'RE GOING TO TURN THE WHOLE WORLD IN A LIZARD PLANET, AND THEY'RE DOING IT ONE CREAMPIE AT A TIME

YOU HAVE TO STOP FUCKING THEM

I MEAN IT

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>>50302502
AND BY CREATE THEM I MEAN TRANSFORM THEM, LIKE THOSE DUNMER ARGONIANS IN ARENA

THEY'RE BIOLOGICALLY THE SLUTTIEST RACE ON PURPOSE

THOSE TITS ARE DIABOLICAL

ALSO THERE ARE CANOTICALLY FUTA ARGONIANS AND CUNTBOY ARGONIANS, THEY'RE LITERALLY APPEALING TO EVERY CROWD, WE HAVE TO STOP BETHESDA

>>50297863
I want to fuck Fadomai. Sounds sexy.

>>50291989
Did you miss the cult of Namira in Markarth.

Also their social structure is Hagraven > Briarhart > Hag > Other forsworn

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>>50298529
>>50300506
Welp, I'm not American so I didn't really know. What's a typical place where people would carry guns in the open?

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>>50302487
>cuirass nipples

>>50302502
>>50302518
Is it true that people on Tamriel are born and die at the same pace?

>>50303276
When you die, your soul goes to the dreamsleeve to be reborn. Most likely there's a set populace of people that can exist at any time, but we'll never know because the souls go every which way towards every race, excluding the Argonians with their weird souls that don't operate like the rest of the world's.

I think the souls also include the people on the other continents, so until we map out every life ever, we'll probably continue to never know the max number people that can exist.

>>50303276
Well, there has been at least one genocide, so I would suspect not.

>>50303349
What does that imply for when maximum soulcount has been reached though? Miscarriages when a soulless one is born, or just infertility.

>>50303589
A spike in ginger population.

>>50303630
got em

>>50303264
Pretty much no where unless you live in a place where it's hard as cock to get a concealed carry permit or when it's hunting season in some more rural places.
Most people conceal carry their firearms.

>>50295365
i never understood why there are no calendar specific events in the game.

>>50304031
It takes no time to complete it

>>50303589
We don't know. It has been speculated that that could be the reason why the Sload caused the Thrassian Plague. Running out of souls is probably a really bad thing for the world though.

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>>50302502
>implying there's a hard limit on souls
By the Hist, I've never heard such vile and untrue slander. There is nothing even suggesting that.

>>50303349
>Most likely there's a set populace of people that can exist at any time
There's absolutely nothing suggesting that. Insisting on numerical consistency on something as abstract and fickle as the soul is unwarranted.

So if you think hard enough you could either end your own existence or become god-like? Spooky

I'm curious about something.

Is there any lore behind the martial arts of TES?

All i ever found was that Khajeet are supposedly the best at it and the Imperials being a close second.
Oh and the novitiates of the Ancestor Moth cult being taught how to fight barehanded.

>>50304994
>"The unarmed, unarmored martial arts traditions of the Marshmerrow, Salt Rice, and Golden Reed societies of the Dissident Priest, patterned on the 'Rain-of-Sand' fighting styles of Elsweyr, are slow to be adopted in the Empire, associated as they are with the ascetic renunciation of worldly wealth and material goods, and the rigid disciplines and mystical philosophies so alien to the Impieral West."
>"Monks dedicated to the ascetic philosophies of Elsweyr have long cultivated the unarmored martial arts traditions called the 'Rain-of-Sand' fighting styles. The Mages Guild and other societies have had some success adapting these styles for self-defense training of wizards and other armor-averse vocations. Students of the unarmored styles wear little to no armor, and count on evasion or deflection to avoid injury."

>The Temple of Two-Moons Dance in Torval has for many hundreds of years been the finest training ground in all Tamriel for warriors of foot and fist. The masters teach students of all ages from all parts of the Empire the most ancient techniques and the most modern variations, and many a former pupil has graduated to great fame.

>>50305022
Thanks a bunch.

I wanted to run a Wuxia campaign in the TES universe so this should work.

Basically martial arts outside of Cyrodill and Elswyr should mostly be propagated by the mages guild.

>>50305056
That's a cool idea. You could toss in things like the Shehai Shen She Ru or Akaviri kiai, that would fit the tone.

>>50304945
memery magic

>>50305056
Oh yeah, and one other thing:

>These clumsy knights of Colovia had no chance at all, splitting apart wetly as Shonni-Et whistled her spit like a carousel of blades, or folding like bone and paper as Sed-Yenna cracked great helms in the soft iron of her knee-hollows, and instead of asking the purpose of this betrayal from his vassals, Reman only rose to ejaculate on them as they fell, and after years of training in the Diblashuut he could do this without hands.

>MK: There’s blades in her [Shonni-Et’s] hair and Sed-Yenna, the older sister, is doing all this wuxia, hardass stuff, cracking plate armor with knee hollows. His head. “These fuckers!” One chick wuxia with soft style...

>>50305081
Nah i wanted to keep it at Warrior mystics doing unarmed beatdowns.

Basically i'll start the game with the players being students of various mystics from the region converging for a tournament that goes horribly wrong.

>>50304994
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Master_Zoaraym%27s_Tale

Plus what that other Anon said, and a lot of smaller references here and there, like:
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Prayers_of_Baranat
>Baranat walked calmly into the camp and began battle with Airen Coribael. The fight lasted seven days, and for six of them, Airen had the upper hand. He rained kicks and punches down using the arrhythmic style the Khajiit call Goutfang

>>50305081
So could shouting, if you mix it with martial arts or Nordic wrestling.
Nords do, after all, believe that Sovngarde has a wrestling tournament without end.

>>50305149
Yes.
It baffles me how they didn't bother making unarmed options/skill trees in skyrim.
I mean it has so many brawls...
I was so sad about it.

>>50305149
>>50305117
Why not a mute moth priest monk?

>>50305194
A blind warrior monk is perfect.

>>50305149
>So could shouting, if you mix it with martial arts or Nordic wrestling.
IIRC Akaviri kiai is somewhat similar to Nord shouts anyway. I think maybe Children of the Sky mentions it?

>>50294197
I'd rather have ESO bullshit than MK fanfiction.

>>50305249
>I'd rather have texts that poorly try to copy MK than MK

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Why do we less than half the posts we had last weekend? Anyways, I'm gonna try and spark some discussion. I posted >>50294582 earlier and now I'm asking of you to come up with similar pieces of fluff/flavor/whatever for a theorethical Elder Scrolls VI set in High Rock.

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>>50306258
Wew, I just took a good look at the map and it's pretty awful, had to delete it.

Anyone got any good High Rock cityscape/scenery images?

>>50306258
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, that map makes no sort of sense.

>>50306258
>Elder Scrolls VI
Into the trash it goes.

>>50306258
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dM0O4dV7lMBQjqDMLfM3MIpcISy6JbaJsBOjiw8YxJI/edit

>>50306276

Is it because it has Orsinium on it?

>>50306258
Which of the Divines do the people of Jehanna have a temple to? They're so far north, the fight the bitter cold I imagine they embrace the loving warmth of Mara.

So what's the relationship between MK and Bethesda now?

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What's some of your favourite, or just plain neat, small pieces of lore?
Can be stuff like a historical person, a local tradition, or a weird event.

Like the fact that Tharn was indirectly brought down by thinking with his dick.

>>50306258
>a theorethical Elder Scrolls VI set in High Rock

What about Daggerfall? Because that game pretty fucking thoroughly established what the area around the Iliac bay is like.
I'd much rather they don't ever touch High Rock or Hammerfell again since there's really no possible way they could ever replicate a map as massive as the one in Daggerfall in a modern game. At least not without finally dropping gamebryo and building an engine actually suited for those giant immersive open worlds that Bethesda keep fucking struggling to make.

>>50306544
>High Rock
>Iliac Bay
I know you Dagger and Wayrest fags think you're the power in High Rock but the truth is the north are the ones with actual power. Not just coin empires.

>>50306598
Jehenna, go home. You're drunk again.

>>50306294
>Orsinium in the wrong place
>what the fuck is a Verandia
>what the fuck is a Gastemarch
>what the fuck is a Helkarth
>why is there no Anticlere
>why is there no Dwynnen
>it's Evermor(e), not Evermoor
>also Evermore is not south of the Bjoulsae
>that's not where Ephesus is
>>>Daenia
I could go on.

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>>50306598
>provincials

>>50306619
They can't help it, it's all the Nordic blood in their veins.
And all the Nordic sperm in their orifices.

>>50306619
Go get raped by some corsairs, Wayrest.

>>50306682
Bretons tend to be as drunk as Nords in general.
>>50306694
Not even Wayrest, bro.

Not TES related, but is Runescape lore any good? I'm looking it up and it seems to have some potential. But then again I am pretty drunk.

>>50306727
>But then again I am pretty drunk
No shit.

>>50306682
Are you so plebeian you cannot enjoy the comfort of a northern city?

>>50306701
I'm not falling for your Iliac tricks.

>>50306747
k

Tsaesci women when?

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>>50306544
Daggerfall is cool and all but it's too outdated to properly represent a province. All the cities look the same.

>>50306969
>snake tits
>no magic tree jizz to explain it away
No thanks

>>50307005
>bipedal humanoid reptile
fine
>breasts on athropods, arachnids, amphibians, etc.
fine
>scaly jugs
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
The ARTL (anti reptile tit league) is weird

>>50306518
I ?

>>50307161
?

What happens to the souls trapped inside a soul gem?
If I trap a humans or elfs soul inside a gem and use it soul to enchant something will it never get recycled in the dreamsleeve?
And does this apply to animals too?
If that's the case soul trapping seems

why do we only have these on the weekend

>>50307485
Because it's a fucking ghost town, and there's absolutely no need for it to be constant.
Plus, you know how a lot of permanent generals turn out.

>>50307485
Kynareth does her best work on the weekends, and she blesses Daggerfall.

>>50306391
As of Skyrim, things he writes still make it directly into the games even when he isn't directly contracted by them, like he was Oblivion and KotN.

He's personally friends with people that still do work there full-time as well, like Kurt.

>>50307440
It's speculated that there are multiple segments of the soul, so, for example, if you make a deal with the Ideal Masters part of the soul will go to them, the memory bits, and the rest powers the enchantment. The trade of souls is known as "lunar currency."

>>50306276
Yeah I corrected myself in >>50306274

>>50306277
no bully pls

>>50306283
I've seen this already, but thanks

>>50306316
I've always found it odd how there's two cities in northeastern High Rock. I don't think it's a very pleasant or fertile area where you can afford to have a high population density. It mostly makes sense of the Iliac Bay to be densely populated. People of Jehanna would be big Talos fans.

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>>50307485
For the same reason you need to sleep and can't stay awake 24/7

>>50307689
>I've always found it odd how there's two cities in northeastern High Rock.
Well it would help to actually see the topography of the land, the closest guess I could make would be like Haafingar region in Skyrim. Jehanna was under Nord control for sometime so its not unbelievable for them to be Talos worshipers.

>>50306283
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dM0O4dV7lMBQjqDMLfM3MIpcISy6JbaJsBOjiw8YxJI/edit
Whoever made this should add the history of Claymores.

>>50294582
Tongue harvesting mechanic, that improves and boosts shouts.
Also tongue trinkets.

>>50306258
>Elder Scrolls VI set in High Rock.
I think I puked a bit in my mouth

>>50295365
uhh

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/64820/?

>>50307485
Because some people are autistic about keeping it weekend only and shit up weekday threads to prove their point.

>>50308700
desu the other general would probably be better if it was kept to fridays and weekends only

combine forces, milk the ghost town

>>50307005
>Tsaesci literally take on the form of beings they feed on
>not having tits

>>50308700
Thre's not enough conversation to warrant it

>>50309702
there is

>>50309737
That's there wasn't a post for an hour, until I posted.

So you're saying... if I join your Crusaders Stendarr will let me smash the faces of Daedra worshipers? Whats the catch? This sounds too perfect.

>>50309778
And? There are far deader generals on far quicker boards. Don't even try claiming that being slow lowers the post quality, busy generals are the shittiest generals.

>>50306518
Are there more if these portaits?

So what's this whole thing about Queen Ayrenn being a super computer from the 9th era?

>>50310325
MK retconned his original KINMUNE text to shill ESO.

>>50310713
He can't do that.

Why is TESO lore bad to the rest of the franchise?

>>50310786
Can't he?

>>50310976
As if.

>>50311295
>As if.

explain

>>50311395
Wait, I'm actually not sure about either of the posts I responded to now.

Did you mean bad for the rest of the franchise, or compared to it?

>>50311423
both if you want to

>>50311442
Well, I guess the answer is still "as if" then.

Because it isn't, and it isn't.

>>50311496
Just explain your point dude.

Not like this thread is going anywhere anytime soon.

>>50311514
My point is that ESO isn't really as bad as the rest of the games, lorewise. I mean, at least they're trying. I can't speak for the writing, and I've never played it, but we're talking about a game in the same franchise as Oblivion. And I don't even mind Oblivion.

There really isn't a point. Maybe the time travel stuff sucks, but there are enough actually interesting things (read: things MK wrote a decade ago), or so I've heard, to make up for it.

>>50311578
>I can't speak for the writing, and I've never played it

invalid af

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For those who didn't see my post last thread. The UESRPG is rolling again, this time with the largest team we've ever had. I'm super excited about where we're headed.

I've restructured our online presence somewhat, but basically all that matters is that we have a nice google doc with all our links (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pTgTN2aJUoY95JtquowagfUJLL7tCQYhzJKcCAcbvio/edit?usp=sharing) and a shiny new discord server for design and game finding purposes (https://discord.gg/p3CMn2P). I won't be updating the old blog anymore, and the IRC is dead, but our subreddit still exists for those who want to use it. If someone makes a new OP in the next day or so, please replace the mediafire and IRC links with these news ones if possible.

If you're interested in helping out, or just want to hang out, drop by our discord server and say hi. And once again, thanks for being patient with us!

>>50311604
First of all, it was never the writing that was in question. Second of all, you don't need to play a game to, you know, read the dialogue in it or look at screenshots.

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>>50311614
>we even linked Scrollhammer!

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>>50311915
Actually, while I'm here, there any missing factions people would like to see in Scrollhammer 2E?

There's been some Reachmen discussion the past few threads, and I think Dagoth Guy pitched a unit list for them way back when, so they are fairly likely.

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>>50310976
>A bunch of fucks invades and are led by their Warrior god and other divine beings so you create magical stones build by Dwemer tech to trap them on Nirn so you can take their place in the skies but realize that the starts are holes so you proceed to """"""mount"""""" them but one of you are a girl so you create a magical strap-on to enhance your power but then the Snake starsign gets in a bad mood so he proceeds to cut you, dick included, so he have an easier time eating you so your strap-on drops from the skies and emits large quantities of who the fuck knows in the middle of Craglorn
>Bad lore
At least it's entertaining

From a quick google, TESO is pay2win (and don't give me that crap that the special marketplace isn't kikery of the worst order). Seeing as it's not a one time play to play game, which youtuber do I watch to get the fullest picture of TESO as if I played the whole game? I need to evaluate its lore into serious detail and I'm not going to be a good goy.

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>>50313350
Just my two septims. But are you sure you wouldn't rather just check out the pages tagged as "online" on uesp or something.

Watching a let's play of an MMO sounds even more depressing and soul crushingly boring as actually playing trough one.

>>50313350
Its really not P2W from what I've experienced. You can buy mounts and potions but they're not better than something a player could make. That being said, it did get boring, and the lore was generally average. Nothing fantastic. You're a dude who got his soul stolen by Molag Bal, then you help some chick who's supposedly half giant speshul snowflake, but her dad's just a fucking tall nord. Then you help Jagar Tharn's great x10 grandfather, who's actually a fairly entertaining character, a weeaboo redguard, and some dude who trusted Mannimarco even though he's a cunt. Lots of quests are given by ghosts which annoys me. There are constant time-travel bits. Maormer appear in the Summerset Isles, and their boats are just normal boats and not made out of giant sea creatures. Gonna hop into it again once my friend downloads it, I hear the new update is fun. Can't speak for the DLC but I hear it's actually good. Like >>50313502 said, don't watch someone play an MMO. You'll want to end your life more than you already want to.

>>50313350
>Normal game is like $10 on steam sale right now
>I'm not going to be a good goy
Who is the real jew here

>>50303264
Fayetteville.

So, started playing TESO as a Breton Sorcerer and planning to RP, and I've always wondered; where exactly do magic users, particularly full-on magic users, stand in society?

I know cultures like the Redguard, Orsimer, and Nords tend to look down on the use of magic, but in other cultures, what status do they have? Are they any different than the common citizen? Capable of inheriting noble titles or fighting in the military?

>>50314156
Yeah, they're totally normal. Or, at least, as normal as they want to be. Someone can seclude themselves in a tower and collect old books and not be a mage too.

It's worth noting that even cultures that seems like theur have a distrust of magic have a traditional magical culture of their own, it's just that they distrust the magic of other cultures. Nords have clever-men and the Thu'um, Redguards have the Yoku-hi, western magic.

>>50314156
Imperial Battlemages are a huge thing and are looked very well upon. Anyone with a good amount of magic talent who enters the Legion is immediately tried to be turned into one.

In High Rock you've got rogue sorcerers who rule over villages and towns, and the nobility and powerful mages kind of go hand-in-hand. Also crazy hedge mages.

Presumably those with magical talent in the Summerset Isles, in the eras of the Aldmeri Dominion, are quickly located and indoctrinated. Otherwise viewed as very useful and respectable enough.

>>50314239
>>50314243
Awesome, thanks.

>Imperial Battlemages
Can't believe I forgot about those guys. I had a fixation on them in Oblivion, but that was back when the game first released; haven't played it since.

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What happens if an Argonian gets pregnant and then changes lifephases?

>>50313350
It isn't really P2W. The stuff you can buy is worse than the stuff you can make, and the things like 2x exp scrolls are ultimately irrelevant because you can level to CP160 super quickly.

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>Morrowind: you can jump over a mountain at max acrobatics
>Oblivion: you can jump over a city wall at max acrobatics
>Skyrim: you can barely jump over a small fence and need an article about climbing on the wiki

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>>50313018
Reachmen are the only ones that aren't really represented properly by any other army.
Most other ideas I can think of would just be variants of existing armies, like the Direnni, and I'm not sure that warrants to be an army by itself.

Other things to note:
>several units have Sparks, but the spell is not in the spellbook
>Bosmer Druid has Heal Other, which is also not in the spellbook

>>50316021
>several units have Sparks, but the spell is not in the spellbook
>Bosmer Druid has Heal Other, which is also not in the spellbook
So noted. Adding to the list.

>>50315701
>Daggerfall: you can just press forward and you climb up anything. Anything.

BRING BACK CLIMB MODE.

>>50294582
Shit man, Skyrim could have been great but they just didn't get the Nords right in that game. They were too damn similar to Imperials in my opinion. Only ingame reason I can see as off why is that Skyrim has been in the empire so long that they have become more cosmopolitan like the imperial heartland. But Skyrims biggest failure was the lack of scope, skyrim just feels small, the cities are not even cities they are towns with like 20ish people in it, Its fucking sad! The cities of Skyrim was supposed to be bastions of Nordic life in a harsh enviroment, but all that we see are about 20 people often less just... So small!

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>>50316136

>>50316139
>Skyrim's cities are too small
Nigga the Imperial City alone is supposed to be bigger than the entirety of Oblivion.

The world has been shrinking with every fucking game.

>>50315701
This is why i want Accrobatics, Athletics , Unarmoured and Unarmed skills back in the next game.

>>50316193
I want levitation and teleport back, but heaven forbid the games promote exploration instead of only having an illusion of it while riding the rails.

>>50316193

Sorry, but skills are too complicated for a modern audience.
Please enjoy the following interactive movie where you must sometimes press 'F' to advance the cutscene.

>>50295044
Why put in a bards college if all it is is dungeon crawling? Where's my lute, ability to woo locals, and entertain in courts?

70% of the quests sending you into dungeons---many of which were essentially the same thing---was my main issue with Skyrim.

What do you guys think is in Lyg?

>>50317413
One-time mentions and irrelevancy.

>>50317413
ESO.

How many towers did thalmor destroy and how close are they to their goal?

>>50317781
So far we know that Crystal like Law got messed up by the Oblivion Crisis, the metaphysical tower of the khajiit got destroyed when the thalmor assassinated the Mane and therefor the deep connection to their own self as a people which is why I think they blindly believed the thalmor when the moons came back, Ada-Mantia is THE tower and is probably still strong but weakened by the loss of other towers, the giant moving tree of Valenwood is still up in the air as to its status, White Gold may or may not be working its kinda hard to tell, we don't know if Argonia has a Tower but its a safe bet if they do its untouched, Red Mountain is deactivated but still feels the effects of The Heart of Lorkhan via Heart Stones. And of course the one in Yokunda got atomically cut in half and no one but the Redguards know why it.

Snow Throat's Stone may or may not be like a opposite of the metaphysical khajiit tower but instead of the Mane(a single but very important khajiit who remembers all the events ever to transpire to the khajiit race and all of their Love and importance of Self/Me) its the entirety of the Nord peoples who are Snow Throats Stone, that or Broken Not World Eating But World Conquer Alduin and well....
Walking Brass is basically a Tower that Is and Is Not, and wants to break the Wheel to see how It Turns but its everywhere and nowhere still on Red Mountain fighting, still in Daggerfall fighting for several different factions forever broken but also not.

So in my opinion I'd say about 3 or 4 towers are offline/not working properly.

>>50317413
Now, or before The Fall?

>>50317781
>>50318674
This is important, though: the main goal of the Thalmor is not to destroy the towers, though it may be incidental to their cause. Additionally, more Towers have been deactivated by the actions of the player than the Thalmor, at least as far as we know.

The Stone of Snow-Throat, the cave, is most likely the same cave that Shor enters to meet with Shor; that is, Plato's allegory of the cave.

Also, Argonia probably different have a Tower.

>>50318810
If the Argonians have a Tower, wouldnt that be The Hist?
Seeing as the Argonian hive mind, the influence of the An-Xileel and IIRC the origin of thw Argonians themselves come from the Hist

Could orcs have a tower?

>>50318674
The Adamantine tower still stands tall, by all acounts

The White Gold tower also stands, but as you said maybe during the year long occupation some Thalmor fuckery happened there which destroyed the metaphysical part of the tower while leaving the physical tower intact

Also, Im wondering a thing
Why would the elves build many of the towers in the first place?
Sure most elves dont agree with the Thalmor ideas but, what was there to gain for the Dirrenni, the Aldmer or the Alyeids to build their towers?

>>50319064
I doubt, seeing as they dont have a large tower like building that is explicitely stated to be a Tower nor do they have a connection to the creating aspects of the universe
I mean, the Orcs follow Daedra

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>>50317413
It's dead now

>>50319091
The whole point of the Towers, broadly, is that the Mer were trying to copy what they saw at Ada-Mantia and ascend, or drachocrystallize, back into their et'Ada forms. That's why only Mer build them. Of course, different factions of Mer had different ideology and theory, and that's where all the different cultures of Mer, and their Towers, came from.

>>50318902
If they had an equivalent, yeah, it would probably be something like the Hist. They have their own everything.

>>50319188
This.

>>50319237
Interesting
I have some question about the Red Mountain and Snow Tower
But have human aspects, namely the Heart of Lorkhan and the Nords
How does this play into the Mer?
Also, assuming Mer created all Towers, Id then assume that the Falmer were responsible for the Snow Tower, how come it is now linked to the Nords?

Is the Throat of the World Skyrim's tower? What's the stone?

I see nothing but conflicting information. Are the Nord people the stone? Is the last Dragonborn the stone? Is the stone in Blackreach?

>>50319328
Paarthurnax is the stone.

>>50318674
>khajiit
As much as I dislike the Thalmor taking over (and dissolving) Elsweyr, the whole moon panic is pretty understandable. Losing the moons is after all an existential threat in the eyes of the Khajiit.

White Gold is offline.
>The Tower of White-Gold, whose Stone is Chim-el Adabal, Amulet of Kings, whose masters are returning. I speak of course of the Ayleids, for which "sometimes" was not good enough.

Black Marsh probably doesn't have a tower.

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>>50319091
>which destroyed the metaphysical part of the tower while leaving the physical tower intact
Chim-El Adabal was destroyed, deactivating White-Gold Tower.
>Sure most elves dont agree with the Thalmor ideas but, what was there to gain for the Dirrenni, the Aldmer or the Alyeids to build their towers
Well first off the Direnni didn't build a Tower well they did actually build the livable 'tower' portions, just not THE tower. Adamantia is a divine object, and its purpose was to make sure the world wouldn't die after the departure of the gods.
The Towers of the Mer are both literal and metaphorical manifestation of their own culture, in other words how they perceive and spread their own view of the world.
The many different towers came out of the destruction of the Aldmeris, or in other words unified Elven thought. All these new cultures had their own views on the world and creation and so were made new towers.

>>50318810
>cave that Shor enters to meet with Shor
>Plato's allegory of the cave
How are those two at all related?

>>50319328
>I see nothing but conflicting information
Because we haven't reached a commonly accepted answer yet. We don't really know.

>>50319322
Red Mountain and Snow-Throat are different from the Towers constructed by Mer, in that they were both formed as a side product of the creation of Mundus. They can still possibly be appropriated by the cultures that inhabit the area around them, which is how the Nords were able to take it from the Falmer.

I'd say that the two most important Towers are Red Mountain and Ada-Mantia. Red Mountain, time, Lorkhan, Ada-Mantia, space, Akatosh. This is where things get weird, but that's a different story.

>>50319328
Yes, the Throat of the World is Snow-Throat. The Stone is the cave, which, to quote an earlier post,
>is most likely the same cave that Shor enters to meet with Shor; that is, Plato's allegory of the cave.

I'm pretty sure MK said this was right.

>>50319381
Because Lorkhan (Shor) coming to his realization and forming Mundus and the whole conflict that arose because of it is explicitly Plato's allegory of the cave.

>>50319328
My guess is Paarhumax
Another reason to tell Delphine to go fuck herself but I bet you anything killing him and fucking everything up is going to be the canon choice since they couldn't be arsed to make a quest around it or include a "go fuck yourself" dialogue option.

>>50319428
It (probably) ain't Paarth. That doesn't really make sense, to be honest.

Why do cats have their tower if they are not mer?
Do maomer have a tower?

Also do sload have a tower?
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Coral_Tower_(Thras)

>>50319489
>implying cats aren't mer
That said, the Khajiiti tower is somewhat controversial.

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Obligatory reading:
>https://www.imperial-library.info/content/shor-son-shor-full
>https://www.imperial-library.info/content/nu-mantia-intercept

>>50319489
The Khajiit tower is just speculation by people who say the Khajiit are Mer.
The Maormer, to our knowledge do not have a Tower.
It can't be said with certain whether the Sload had a tower, but yah, ESO definitely seems to be hinting at that.

>>50319353
>Amulet of Kings, whose masters are returning
kinda worried now desu

>>50319623
>>50319489
I'd give a firm "naw" on Sload tower. Not all towers are Towers, heck, not even all magic towers are Towers.

>>50319667
Conspiracy theory: the Thalmor can be linked to the Ayleids.

>>50313852
Fayet-fucking-nam man

>>50319489
Sload Tower, if it existed, it probably gone for good.
I'm sure Bendu "Salt Shaker" Olo and Syrabane saw to it.

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>>50306518
>a convicted criminal from cyrodiil became the incarnation of one of the greatest heroes in morrowind culture and then, presumably after reading Mysterious Akavir, sailed to Akavir, presumably to ensure they don't invade ever again.
>The Nerevarine very likely went on a crusade to kill Tosh Raka

So we can all agree Dagoth Ur was turned mad by Azura so she can orchestrate the whole Nerevarine thing, right?

>>50313601
>Maormer appear in the Summerset Isles, and their boats are just normal boats and not made out of giant sea creatures.
I was under the impression only some maormer got to ride sea serpents while they had some semblance of a navy on top of that. If they invaded the Isles I doubt the thousands of them rode on the backs of these serpents.

>>50321131
>Potema stood at the harbor and watched the boat from Pyandonea arrive. Against the gray, breaking waves where she had seen so many vessels of Tamrielic manufacture, it looked less than exotic. Insectoid, certainly, with its membranous sails and rugged chitin hull, but she had seen similar if not identical seacraft in Morrowind. No, if not for the flag which was markedly alien, she would not have picked out the ship from others in the harbor. As the salty mist ballooned around her, she held out her hand in welcome to the visitors from another island empire.

>>50314519
>life phases meme
There's no actual canon definition of what that is, and based on how the hist control the infusing-into-life of argonian souls, it may just be that argonians believe each life they live as a phase itself, before they're reincarnated by the host as someone new.
Unless something was added to the uesp in the last couple months, life-phases aren't sex changes.

>>50316186
Except for morrowind, vvardenfell was tiny compared to oblivion and skyrim when you look at it without the fog.

>>50319353
>Amulet of Kings, whose masters are returning. I speak of course of the Ayleids, for which "sometimes" was not good enough.
>Ayyyleids returning in some form
Yes please
>>50319687
In that they both want to rule cyrodiil? Sure

>>50321257
In that they're potentially orchestrating the whole thing. The Tharnatos, Dagon, Mankar Cameron, the Battlespire Incident, the Thalmor, maybe even Talos, these are all facets of the same plot.

"Dawntime conspiracy" indeed.

>>50307005
Vampiric snakes becoming what they eat seems more reasonable than "hist did it because they wanted tits".

>>50306518
The fucking All-Flags Navy

>>50313265
What is this referencing, and where can I find my own magic star-fucking dildo?

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>>50315701

>>50321549
They gave orders with holograms.

Holograms.

That's so cool.

>>50318630
Alright let me try to get this right

Altmer
Ayleid
Bosmer
Direnni
Dwemer?
Dunmer
Maormer

>>50322146
They're all alphabetical.
Altmer
Ayleid
Bosmer
Chimer
Dunmer
Falmer
Maormer

>>50322302
>Chimer
>Dunmer
>Falmer
These ones seem really off.

>>50322302
Falmer dont have red eyes

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Hey, no dying.

Which High Rock city outside of the Ilaic Bay is best?

>>50323564
We know very little ESO depictions do not count. but I'd like to say Shornhelm.

>>50323732
This is why I want another High Rock game, there's more than what was seen in Daggerfall and an updated Daggerfall and Wayrest would be nice.

>>50319428
>implying that traitorous dog deserves to live, much less is the fucking stone

Parthy fans are the worst.

Tell me about the masks.
Does Ur's mask have anything magical to it?
Do the dragon priest masks work for anyone or are they linked to their owner?
Do people use/enchant masks like they do common items?

>>50324089
Maybe, not much on that subject I'd think

I doubt that the Dragon Masks are linked to an invidual being as the Last Dragonborn can use the enchantmens of the Dragon Priest has slew, and even of those he didn't slay

Probably in cultures were masks are a standard

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>>50324025
wasn't the time rift the Tower? Or is it the Building? Then what was the "Cave" with the stone? Or is both long gone by the time skyrim takes place?

>>50324415
It was, at one point, theorized that the time wound could have been the Stone. But it probably isn't.

Considering that the Tower is deactivated by 4E, it doesn't matter outside of metaphysical knowledge.

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>>50324415
i just realized how simliar the building is to pic related.

The female Breton knight-errant has been one of my favorite characters to use in the Tamriel setting.

Can we take a minute to talk about magically created diseases, and their role in Tamriel?

The only tidbits I've really heard about biomagical warfare are the plague made by the Sload, the magical paralyzing disease that a Healer inflicted on a rapey Nord in Morrowind, a horrible rash given to an Ordinator by by the head of the Mages Guild, and Wizard Fever and Witch's Pox from Daggerfall. Are there any more occurrences?

>>50324803
Vampirism and all forms of were-whatever are divinely created diseases.

>>50323564
Camlorn sounds the best, according to The Mystery of Talara.

>Elder Scrolls 6 isn't coming out for years
KAZERAD THIS IS YOUR FAULT. You've chim'd your delays into the very fabric of reality

>>50324803
Isn't Corprus technicaly one as well?
And if Corprus is one, I doubt we'll run into another magical disease any time soon

>>50324842
>The sight that drew most of the male citizens of Camlorn was the March of Beauty. A thousand comely young women, brightly and provocatively dressed, danced their way down the long, wide main street of the city, from the Temple of Sethiete to the Royal Palace.
Sounds like a fun place

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Word_Wall

there is some really interesting stuff. hoar-father is another name for shor ,right?

I find one about the Alik'r who became a son of skyrim really curious.

I didn't know the redguard arrived on Tamriel while the Dragons still ruled.

>>50324803
Vampires and werewolves.

>>50325353
these are basically curses...

but in a magical setting with gods of diseases, every sickness might be magic.

>>50325198
>I didn't know the redguard arrived on Tamriel while the Dragons still ruled
It's possibly referring to aboriginal Nedes.

>>50325198
>Redguard swordsinger armed only with pankratosword slowly wanders Skyrim's snowy lands, pitting his blade against the mighty Words of Dragons, swordsong ringing out to meet Shout as the words mingle and dance with the strong song of the pankratosword.

Why wasn't this a thing if your Dragonborn was a Redguard?
Then again swordsong mixed with Shouts might have been bad, Skyrim could have quickly become a new Yokunda...

Whats the actual deal with towers?

>>50325681
It's explained in this thread.

>>50325700
Nobody is retarded enough to go trough 255 posts of pure bullshit for something that could be solved in five seconds.

>>50325768
ctrl + f tower

But I'll copy and paste it for you.

>The whole point of the Towers, broadly, is that the Mer were trying to copy what they saw at Ada-Mantia and ascend, or drachocrystallize, back into their et'Ada forms. That's why only Mer build them. Of course, different factions of Mer had different ideology and theory, and that's where all the different cultures of Mer, and their Towers, came from.

Why is every race of mer jerks?

>>50325871
they believe they are descended from gods

>>50325803
>The whole point of the Towers, broadly, is that the Mer were trying to copy what they saw at Ada-Mantia and ascend, or drachocrystallize
Nu-Mantia literally states that the purpose of White-Gold wasn't dracocrysalis, that dracorysalis was a specifically Altmer concept.
We also happen to have no idea what dracocrysalis actually is beyond a process to "keeping elder magic bound before it could change into something lesser" and no reddit theories are going to change that.

>>50325908
and Men believe they can become gods, is that why the races of men are superior?

>>50325871
Literally everyone in the TES universe is a jerk.

Elves are just less obvious about it.

>>50325938
Yes, I know. I didn't feel like writing all of that originally, but that was what I was alluding to with the bit about theory. White-Gold is more of a large scale model of the Aurbis.

>[Auri-El] then ascended to heaven in full observance of his followers so that they might learn the steps needed to escape the mortal plane.

This is probably a description of dracochrysalis.

>>50326022
>>50325964
If it is one thing Skyrim proves, its that men are just as much stuck up cunts as Elves
Only the Beast races and the Orcs (which are Mer, but whatever), but its hard being a stuck up cunt if everyone treats you like gypsies

>>50326103
>This is probably a description of dracochrysalis
Why?
There is literally nothing that implies dracochrysalis has anything to do with ascension.

>>50326373
1. Dracochrysalis has to do with Aldmer/Altmer Tower theory
2. Mer build Towers in imitation of the Divine
3. Auri-El, the Aldmer's greatest and best example, ascended and now they try to follow his example

So the Aldmer see Auri-El ascend, and think, "we'd like to do that." So they build Crystal-Like-Law, which is linked to dracochrysalis, and seems like it's describing climbing the subgradients. It's pretty simple.

>>50326149
>Only the Beast races and the Orcs (which are Mer, but whatever), but its hard being a stuck up cunt if everyone treats you like gypsies
To be fair, in their cases, we haven't really been to their homelands. At least, not large enough to get a good grasp on the population.

But generally, one thing I do enjoy about Elder Scrolls is how they handle the races. The archetypes of their people is not the rule by which they're written. Some Altmer are holier-than-thou dicks, but you also have commoner Altmer who just sell their goods. Nords glorify warriors, but there are plenty of farmers and traders.

It's something TES does well that some others are terrible at (Star Wars, as much as I love it, is REALLY bad when it comes to cultural stereotypes being the rule).

>>50295044
Fuckin' love that picture.

>>50324834
>>50324882
>>50325353
That's more divine than magical.
>>50325477
I'm less inclined to belive this as diseases are categorized separately than curses, and treated differently. For example, how Restore and Dispell are more for curses where as Cure Disease is used for diaease. Although I'd imagine that causing a disease through magic is a type of curse.

>>50295044
>that picture
I get the feeling that the two ladies on the far right are either banging or will be banging in the near future.

Still disappointed that the final DLC wasn't a big expansion featuring the Dragonborn going into the Imperial Heartland to fight Thalmor, avert their apocalyptic end game, and Dragon-Break his way into the Imperial Throne.

>>50327645
Or a fucking Kingsmoot DLC where you could make Balgruuf the Greater high king of Skyrim.

>>50326149
>Orcs
>Not pissy
M-muh Bloodkin. Puny Elf! I'll pick my teeth with your spine! You humans are all the same! Weak and worthless!

Playing a Breton in ESO for the past few days.

I really like how orsimer are portrayed in this. They make me think of TNG era Klingons, but more pragmatic. I like it.

>>50327662
Yeah, I was disappointed you didn't have the option of making him High King. Or hell, any of the other Jarls.

>>50327695
Would have been an opportunity for an interesting DLC which has two branching paths for whichever side of the Civil War you sided with... and actually gives it significance. But, because games aren't infinite, I'd limit the options to Ulfric or Balgruuf (for Stormcloaks) and Elisif or Balgruuf (for Imperials) with maybe a "failure" option of Thongvor Silverblood or Maven Black-Briar respectively.

Stormcloak-Ulfric
>Brow-beat or impress any none-too-loyal Jarls
>Kidnap Elisif for a forced marriage to Ulfric
>Defeat Thongvor Silverblood in contest for Kingsmoot

Stormcloak-Balgruuf
>Betray Ulfric and release Balgruuf from his dungeons
>Gather support from none-too-loyal jarls
>Surprise appearance at Kingsmoot to beat Ulfric

Legion-Elisif
>Similar to Ulfric, but no marriage, obviously, and sub Maven for Thongvor.

Legion-Balgruuf
>Betray the Empire and convince Balgruuf to put his name at the Kingsmoot
>Win the loyalty of none-too-loyal jarls (like the seer woman in Morthal) by pointing out Balgruuf was the only Jarl taking the dragons seriously
>Defeat Imperials at the Kingsmoot.

>>50327695
At the risk of memeing, the Civil War is every bit as disappointing as the election was. You can choose between an egocentric xenophobic demagogue, or an inexperienced snake; but all we wanted was the cool guy who was actually concerned about the dragons and is completely fine with Talos worship.

Does anyone have a .pdf with one of the TES games adapted to D&D, preferably Skyrim to 5ed? By that I mean something that really looks like D&D with just a few rules and a few enemies as well. Thanks.

>>50327911
You could really just run 5th ed and change some of the names of the enemies, and take suggestions from UESRPG for homebrew mechanics.

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>>50327695
Bretons are a cool bunch that at least /tgesg/ can appreciate.

>>50290893
Meanwhile on the elfnet
http://escapetheprisonmatrix.com/demiurge-learn-escape-illussion

>>50327838
To be fair, the Civil war only decides on which faction controls skyrim as a whole, though a Stormcloak skyrim would elect Ulfric to high King most probably. An Imperial Skyrim is a much more fluid situation, with the LDB having the ear of every Jarl due to being the LDB on top of being a thane of every hold.

>>50328130
Well, some of us. There is a vocal minority who think that here the worst thing to ever happen because they are too "generic". I think I remember one person on the other general went full retard about them and refused to belive they weren't "gay manlets who are even shorter than bosmer". I'm still not sure if that was b8 or if people there are that I'll informed.

>>50328243
They wouldn't dare say that in Daggerfall.

>>50328382
Calm down knightanon, Kynereth doesn't approve of unnecessary bloodshed.

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>enlightened tier
Bosmer
Breton
>high tier
Altmer
Nord
>mid tier
Dunmer
Imperial
>burp tier
Orsimer
Khajiit
>stinky tier
Redguard
Argonian

>>50329003
Ur mum is burp tier lol

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>>50329074
HEY
THAT ENT NICE

>>50329003
>Enlightened
>Bosmer
Have you really been hitting that much skooma?

>>50329003
You have some boring taste

>>50329003
>Bosmer

>enlightened tier
Argonian
Dunmer
Imperial
Khajiit
>mid tier
Altmer
Breton
Nord
>stinky tier
Bosmer
Orsimer
Redguard

>>50325630
Going around swinging around the Pankratosword would've turned it into the new Yokunda.

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>>50330253
This guy knows what's up

>Pretty nice tier
Argonian
Khajiit
Dunmer
Nord
Redguard
Breton
Bosmer
Orsimer
>altmer tier
Bosmer
Imperial
>smelly popoo tier
altmer

>>50295846
It seems Adam excels more in landscapes rather than anatomy and people. RIP

Like man, look at
>>50295707
What the f is up with that arm?

>>50322146
>>50322302
>ayleid
>direnni
>maormer
literally who?

to the wiki i guess.

>>50331198
Not knowing the Maormer or the Direnni I can forgive as they arent mentioned that explicitely in the games most have played (Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim)
But not knowing who the Ayleids are is pretty terrible, as Oblivion is filles with their ruins and quests about them

>enlightnened tier
dwemer
>pretty nice guys tier
argonian
kajiit
breton
>mid tier
imperial
bosmer
nord
>stinky tier
redgaurd
orsimer
>
>
>POWER GAP
>
>
>unforgivable piece of shit tier
altmer

>>50331198
Did you skip Oblivion or something? They were practically a game mechanic in that one, and there are at least two books about them in Skyrim.

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>>50324089
>>50324135
I always found it unusual how Dragons gifted the masks to their priests. And the book 'Twin Secrets' mentions how Dragons are somehow master enchanters.

I know that Dragons can practice a wide array of magic through their shouts (even necromancy), but enchanting? How does that even work? Can they shout to imbue a mask with special properties? (kinda makes sense considering the elemental fury shout)

>enlightened tier
not beast race
>burp tier
beast race

>>50302502
>>50303349
>>50303589
>>50304442
Does this mean it's the protagonist's duty to produce as many children as possible to make up for all the things they kill? Are the impregnation modders onto something?

>>50327645
>Still disappointed that the final DLC wasn't a big expansion featuring the Dragonborn going into the Imperial Heartland to fight Thalmor, avert their apocalyptic end game, and Dragon-Break his way into the Imperial Throne.
normie power fantasy: the DLC

All these 'go to summerset isles to EPICLY fight evil thalmor elves' DLC ideas suck

>>50331763
I disagree, it might actually be a challenge for an endgame TES character. An entire island continent of wizard elf Nazis as a massive dungeon? How is that less power fantasy than going to Valhalla to fight a god?

>>50331763
Agreed
The Thalmor are clearly intended to play an important role in the next game.

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>>50331786
Stupid one-man army fantasy

>>50331822
What for me would make sense is if the next game takes place in Valenwood and you're destabilizing the Aldmeri Dominion, getting both Elsweyr and Valenwood to seccede.

>>50331826
...which is how every TES game ends up. What's the problem? Did you forget Storm Call is a thing?

>>50306518
It's heavily implied/outright stated that the khajit used to be bosmer, before the bosmer did a wild hunt due to their great need.

During Wild Hunts, all of the bosmer become shapeshifting, shapeless monstrosities and rampage around to kill shit. About a third of those monstrosities never turn back. And some of those were the khajiit, after Azurah (Totally not Azura) linked their shapeshifting up to the lunar lattice.

>>50331826
>Eternal Champion
>single handedly travels across the entire continent to slay one of the most powerful wizards in existence
>gets a nice cozy life in Cyrodiil as payment

>The Agent
>manages to recover the important bits of a godlike machine from randomly generated labyrinths
>either gets stomped to death or magiced out of existence

>Nerevarine
>closest thing to a god without actually being a god
>left tamriel to take on an entire continent because fuck you

>Champion of Cyrodiil
>literally becomes a god
>single handedly invades Hell and comes back unscathed

>Dovahkiin
>kills a god with the help of like, three other people
>going to be made immortal and a tentacle sex toy for ol' Mora
I'm pretty sure most of the protagonists are one-man armies.

>>50331908
What the fuck, no. Shapeless beings were turned into Khajiit by Azurah, then Yiff're got jealous and did a subpar attempt, creating bosmer who are still unstable.

>>50331920
Assuming Mora has a greater claim to their soul than Hircine or Nocturnal.

>>50313601
Not to mention the whole "CAN'T MAKE BUILDINGS OUT OF POETRY" thing when you totally fucking can, and then they decided to literally take the models of night elf houses from WC3 and recolor them for the altmer houses.

I mean, even if you just have to make the buildings some weird gold/orange/red color and pump up the bloom to make them glow that would've been better than what actually happened.

>>50331939
Shit, you're right. I got the order of things backward.

>>50331939
>And Fadomai said, "When Nirni is filled with her children, take one of them and change them. Make the fastest, cleverest, most beautiful people, and call them Khajiit."

>>50331953
Can't claim a soul if they don't die, Mora just has to keep him alive like he did for Miraak.

>>50328711
Hey I'm just saying they wouldn't say this to my face, in Daggerfall not anonymously posting it on a bulletin outside some Dunmer cornerclub.

>>50331908
Get this Bosmeri propaganda out of here!

REMOVE MAN remove man
you are worst imperial. you are the nord idiot you are the redguard smell. return to Yokuda. to our yowkoda cousins you may come our provnce. you may live in the zoo….ahahahaha ,atmora we will never forgeve you. legionair rascal FUck but fuck asshole nord stink high rock gourmet gourmand..man genocide best day of my life. take a bath of dead man..ahahahahahCYRODIIL WE WILL GET YOU!! do not forget great war . Skyrim we kill the king , Skirum return to your precious colovia….hahahahaha idiot nord and colovian smell so bad..wow i can smell it. REMOVE MAN FROM THE PREMISES. you will get caught. alinor+resdayn+valenwood+orsinium=kill empire…you will great war/ Vivec alive in morrowind, vivec writing poem of morrowind . fast rhyme vevic morrowind. we are rich and have magicka now hahahaha ha because of vivec… you are ppoor stink nord… you live in a mountain hahahaha, you live in a mead hall
vivec alive numbr one #1 in resdayn ….fuck the dwemereth ,..FUCKk ashol imperials no good i spit in the mouth eye of ur banner and province. vehk aliv and real strong wizard kill all the breton farm aminal with CHIM. now we the mer rule .guar of the zoo emparur rema cryrodull fukc the great lorkhan and lay egg this egg hatch and empire wa;s born. stupid baby form the eggn give bak our clay we will crush u lik a skull of skrib. morrowind greattst countrey

>>50331714
>but enchanting? How does that even work? Can they shout to imbue a mask with special properties?
Dragons literally reshape reality with their words, why would you think enchanting will be hard for them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLy3kJnWFVU

Something to start your week with and ponder on before we die.

>>50333219
thanks mer

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cya next weekend

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Ending! Words! ALMSIVI!

>dunmer tier
dunmer
>
>
>everyone else tier
everyone else
>
>
>
>
>beastrace tier
khajiit
argonian
orc
nord

>>50313601
>then you help some chick who's supposedly half giant speshul snowflake, but her dad's just a fucking tall nord.

She's not a literal half-giant, dumb dumb, it's just a nickname in reference to her having giants blood somewhere in her lineage.

>enlightened tier
Breton
Altmer
>high tier
Dunmer
Imperials
>literally high tier
Khajiit
>mid tier
Nord
Bosmeri Females
>burp tier
Argonian
>stinky tier
Bosmeri "men"
Orsimer
Redguard