Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>50247581
I'm a filthy fucking furry fan myself and think Augunus goes too far. Just stop with shoving it in everywhere. But I'm fine if a player wants something like gnolls, lizardfolk, kobolds, wyvaran, catfolk etc. Kitsune should die and be replaced with proper kitsune.

>>50247581
delet this immediately and make a new thread.

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How sexy are your alchemists and investigators?

What fits better thematically for a monk, champion/guardian or champion/trickster?

>>50247773
Con bonus for boobs? Feral Mutagen discovery and fluff it as a succubus form? Or that PrC that makes you someone else, could give them an altered appearance.

How do Wizard spells work in lore?

>>50247581
The guy just likes his Kitsune. It's no big deal. He writes some pretty good content (I love Ricochet Toss) and he's fun to listen to on Know Direction.

>>50247792
>>50247758
You could just use a cognatogen for charisma for a direct boost? Mutagen wouldn't work since it directly hurts charisma.

>>50247806
>shrunken furries in jars of piss is just fine

Any people who knows Spheres well here?

I know how the system works but none of the standard build patterns or tricks, what sort of common ways are there of making one that can contribute to battle in ways other than pure damage?

>>50247817
Take the charisma hit as becoming shy and softspoken instead of ugly?

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>>50247799
Like they did in The Dying Earth.

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dying_Earth

>In the Dying Earth, wizards use magic primarily by memorizing lengthy formulas for spells, and then activating them by speaking the proper commands. Once cast, the spell formula is instantly forgotten, requiring the wizard to reread and re-memorize them. Because even talented wizards can only memorize and "load" a handful of spells, wizards also have to rely on magical relics and on their other skills and talents to protect them.

>>50247832
Destruction is often better at battle field control than damage unless you cheese the fuck out of it. Take crystal/living crystal blast and go to town.

Weather is also good for laying down fog walls.

Time can get you haste right out of the fucking gate.

>>50247838

That, or brash and slutty. Lots of ways to roleplay an undesirable personality with a bombshell figure.

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>>50247758
Not very, since the last one I made was an NPC Dwarven Polymath (Investigator).

>>50247581
Honestly, I don't play them myself - faces are kinda important to me, which led to my DM retconning in a race of asari-esque axolotl people - but i don't MIND anthro races. Gnolls, lizardfolk, thri-keen etc. It's when they start looking like DA OCs that I get offput, with weirdly dextrous snouts and so on.

>>50247806
Well, there's also panther rape spirit.

>>50247784
Depends on your build, my oracle1/barbarian8 went guardian to get retributive reach and caged enemy and together with infinite AoO I tripped everybody forever

>>50247856
Which is?

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>>50248282
>>50247856
Mfw didn't scroll down and see the rest of the post before being a dumbass

What about Sorcerers?
Do they intuitively understand/know the formulas or something?

>>50248316
Yes.

Wizards study the manual to operate the machine that lifts the rock.

Sorcerers just know the manual that operates the machine that lifts the rock.

Occult Psychics have the spirits tell them how to operate the machine to lift the rock

Psions/Wilders lift the rock themselves.

Have we lynched 2hu for ruining the RotJR game with powergaming bullshit yet?

We should.

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So, I rolled on the Tiefling table and got Oversized Limbs and Small Sized. RAW the way I'm seeing it is that I'm a Small creature who has arms so big I can wield a Large great sword, is this right? Because that's ridiculous and I love it

>>50248589

You're two weeks too late, mate. 2hu's dropped out of the game, which doesn't look the least bit ruined.

In fact, I'd say the current line-up of potential characters is quite memorable.

>>50248612
>RAW the way I'm seeing it is that I'm a Small creature who has arms so big I can wield a Large great sword, is this right?

As much as I hate to say this, but RAW also assumes you're a medium-sized Tiefling.

>>50248628
So I have all the traits of a Small creature but I'm technically Medium sized and can wield Large weapons?

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>>50248450
cool

>>50248670

No, it means you're a small creature that is technically small sized with oversized limbs letting you hold medium weapons.

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So I just stumbled onto the Enigma archetype for the Mesmerist. Am I right in thinking that its Solipsism effect is a no-save invisibility after the second round?

I'm thinking of using this with some 3.P sneak-attack stacking stuff to pick an important target on the field and just cut them apart while they can't see my character.

>>50248711
If that's the case, doesn't choosing a Small race and rolling Small size make you a Tiny creature?

>>50248711
Oversized Limbs specifically states Large though
>>50248794
No clue, but that's really nice art which I am stealing

>>50248827
It specifically says Small, so no it would be useless.

>>50248835
It specifically states large, so yeah, you're a small character with access to large size crap.

If mimics can be anything does that mean a mimic could pretend to be a suit of armor

http://pastebin.com/95rXxMmC

Slime-kin race, feedback appreciated. Not 100% done. Meant to be accessible as either a one-off from a backfired spell or as a full-fledged race. Limited compression was meant to be treated as a movement type (and escape artist isn't super duper powerful so meh).

Soft idea for society is living in secret communities typically only accessible through their limited compression abilities. Sorcery and Psionics aren't uncommon to them, divine casting is less common (as they don't have their own god), they tend to not like heavy armor and how it restricts their ability to bail.

Willing to take some potential suggestions on optional alternate racial traits.

>>50248614
>dropped out

Only because we rightfully got the GM to kick the dumb fucker out.

>>50249162

Oh shush, 2hu is out and that's the end of it, bringing that rotten affair back to the surface will do naught but raise a stink around here.

>>50248614
Am I included in that line up?

>>50249362
who are you

>>50249367
I don't have a character yet.
I just wanted to hear who you thought was memorable.

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>>50249161
plz respond :S

Is VMCing into Barbarian worth it for a Brutal Slayer Stalker?
Rage is great but the rest isn't. I dunno...

>>50249479
I'd say no. You need a lot of your feats for Extra Stalker Art and then there's the fact you wouldn't be able to get Power Attack until 5th level.

>>50249159
Yes. There's even 3pp book that covers mimic items like armor, clothes and weapons. Look for Darkness Without Form and ignore all the aboleth plotting.

So, Recently played a pathfinder game and on our 3rd session we may have destroyed the world. Tell me, how fucked are we?

Anyways, we have our party that's supposed to save the world. A human ranger with blue hair, a ratfolk theif, a Dwarf Inquisitor, a Kobold Sorcerer, a Kobold Alchemist, and a Half Kobold-half Teifling special snowflake. A great start. We hit session three, we have to kill this cultist infecting this bug race called Elizer with eldritch corruption and shit. We kill him, ratboy manages to find a rifle and blows his head off, he takes a vial of corruption and then he takes two of the Elizer's eggs. We return to the hive and exposition begins. Eventually the ratboy gets found out and the hive attempts to cut him to pieces for stealing eggs. DMPC calms the Elizer and we begin our walk out.
That's when the Sorcerer take out an enchanted and poisoned knife and stab the rat in the back and rolls a goddamn 20.
Rat boy is down and offered to the elizer, they take him and the queen proceeds to slowly and painfully tears him apart for stealing her children. We see the rat's player roll for something and he goes "Don't worry guys this will be good."
The rats last living act was to throw the bottle of corruption onto the queen of the Elizer. It shatters on her and the last thing our PC's see before running like hell out of there is the queen trying to get it off while the Elizer tear the rat apart.
The fucking queen is now infected with a strain of eldritch corruption and her entire hive will be too.

How fucked are we?

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>>50249610
>party full of rats and snakes
>DMPC
>Rats and snakes stab each other in the back
>gasthebuggers.jpg
Jesus Christ.

>>50249388
Here's a hint it's probably the people who are practically ERPing at each other every other fucking thread.

>>50249672
Are you jealous? I could ERP with (You)

>>50249681
Not really.

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>>50249694
Now you're just playing hard to get, cutie.

>>50249161
A community of sentient slimes is not fun. Gelatinous cubes are where its at.

>>50248450
What about Magus?
Same as Wizords?

>>50249811
Yes, they both use spell books.

>>50249764
They're not Quoles, they're basically the ooze equivalent to tieflings / aasimar / skinwalkers / elemental-plane-touched.

Core-only Barbarian
Is building for attacks of opportunity foolish or genius?

what's the best core rage power at 2? No escape to run idiots down or reflex for the bonus AoO? Something else?

>>50248450
Arcanists have the ability to study the manual to the rock and remember it, unlike Wizards.

Does anyone actually use the Pathfinder Society and their fancy Wayfinders in their games?

>>50249848
>Is building for attacks of opportunity foolish or genius?
You cannot reliably control triggering attacks of opportunity; you can reliably control other means of doing damage.

>>50249869

I use Wayfinders! They're like, a compass+.

Usually I buy them from pawn shops or desperate, broke Pathfinders.

>>50249887
Why not join and get a personal one?

>>50249848
Well first off I'd have to wonder why you're playing core PF because it's fucking awful.

Second, Scent. Scent will save you against invisible foes, which are otherwise some of the absolute worst things you can fight.

>>50249894
because the pathfinder society doesn't exist in my setting.

>>50249869
I love Wayfinders, i think they're a great magical item thats great for any world, fuck the PFS

>>50249388

Do you have an idea of what you want to play?

>>50249912
Why not?
>>50249919
Did the PFS shit in your cereal?

>>50247581


Tell me stories about the times you ran or play APs?

>>50249904
Superstition is also great for a first power, but it does conflict with party buffers if you go first.

>>50249912
>>50249887
>Usually I buy them from pawn shops or desperate, broke Pathfinders.
>because the pathfinder society doesn't exist in my setting.
Something doesn't add up...

>>50249885
Good point. I guess I was focusing too hard on the ability to attack out of turn.

>>50249904
DM's choice. I'm not crazy about it, but it's also my first PF game (I come from 3.5).
Scent feels like it's going to be useless most of the time though. I can see picking it up later, but I was looking for something high impact early on.
Am I missing something, or is it that important?

>>50249936
>its almost like its two different people

>>50249937
Have you ever had to deal with invisible or stealthy enemies at low level?

>>50249894

Because then I'd be legally bound to obey certain rules and regulations with my local Lodge.

>>50249946
It's almost as if an idiot doesn't read the reply chain, you mean.

>>50249936

I'm the second guy you quoted, that's how I get Wayfinders for my characters in Golarion.

The Pathfinder Society is a big bag of bureaucracy and regulation, not to mention the time spent working your way up the ladder. Honestly, it's better to just freelance it.

>>50249162
Why are you lying? Do you hate them so much?

>>50249962
No, but I'm also not expecting to. Probably a foolish assumption.

>>50249934
Looks neat

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Give me a way to convince my GM to ignore the "alchemists do not qualify for arcane strike" ruling. "Extracts are literally them using magic" apparently isn't good enough. Alternatively, if I really am fucked and ABSOLUTELY MUST take that shitty spell discovery for it, what are good spells for an alchemist of around level 8-10 to poach off the wizard/sorcerer list?

I just want to deal okay damage and have riving strike, why must this game hate me?

>>50249931

Ooh, I'd love to! Unfortunately I'm phoneposting, but I can say I've been in Kingmaker, Reign of Winter and a smidgeon of Jade Regent! Kingmaker was kind of boring, Reign of Winter didn't really live up to the hype, but I've got nothing but good things to say about Jade Regent, it's definitely one of the more magical adventures in the AP lineup.

>>50249964
Ah, understandable I guess.
>>50249986
>The Pathfinder Society is a big bag of bureaucracy and regulation, not to mention the time spent working your way up the ladder. Honestly, it's better to just freelance it.
A pity.
I really like the idea of PFS, but they did it kind of clunky I guess

>>50250008
Extracts are alchemy, not magic. And even if they WERE magic, nowhere does it state that they're ARCANE magic.

>>50249986
>>50250031
PFS is one of those things that requires you to have a GM that just retcons huge chunks of it so it's more fun. As-written it's pretty shit.

>>50249854
a combination of Wizords and Sorcs then?
They do need to read the manual, like wizards, but like sorcs they don't need to lug it around and remember it instead?

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>>50250041
>When an alchemist mixes an extract, he infuses the chemicals and reagents in the extract with magic siphoned from his own magical aura.
>When an alchemist creates an extract or bomb, he infuses the concoction with a tiny fraction of his own magical power—this enables the creation of powerful effects, but also binds the effects to the creator.
>extracts are not magic

>>50250059
They can read the manual, but wizards forget the manual after they've operated it the number of times they've read it

Arcanist needs to read it once a day and can operate the machine as many times as he is able to once he's done so. (though not past spell slots)

>>50250068
Oh.
Huh.
Eh, I still prefer Sorcs then.

>>50249869
Most of my characters end up having a wayfinder to get the resonance bonuses.

So more on the Wyvern Rider.

They're a 4th level caster, first of all. They prepare spells, and store them in their wyvern mount like a witch does in their familiar.

Now I am compiling a spell list for them.

What would be on your wish list of a spell list for someone who rides around on a wyvern?

>>50250081
well, they're like Sorcs that can change their spell list every day if that makes any sense.

>>50250089
Flesh to stone so you can crash your wyvern for high impact damage

>>50250100
HIGH IMPACT WYVERN COMBAT

>>50249921
Investigators seem neat, though to be honest, I haven't put much thought into it yet. The gesalt nature as well as the 3pp stuff is really daunting to me.

>>50250105
If I might recommend, Investigator is a very good "passive" class. As such, you should go for a class on the other side that gives you a lot of active options - an intelligence based initiator, perhaps, such as a dervish defender warder.

>>50250094
I have problems with choosing things like that so I tend to stick with Sorcs.

>>50250105

Well, you know where to go when you've got a character concept that needs a bit of structure to the fluff!

Investigators are fantastic for gestalt, by the way. Plenty of ways to get an interesting build from one, and just as many to give that build a backstory that works.

No rush, but did you have a concept in mind for the campaign?

>>50250100
I was planning on including both Flesh to Stone and Stone to Flesh as fourth level spells.

A lot of the spells with be transmutation and divination I think. Also acid based evocation spells.

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>>50250122
Another idea I had was to play someone like EMIYA Archer from F/SN, but I have 0 idea how to do things like summoning blades, overedge, Rho Aias, the whole swords-as-arrows, and UBW on top of all of it.

>>50250163
that's actually easy. Psychic Armory Soulknife.

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>>50250163
That's easy, follow these simple instructions:
>go in a fire
>die

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How would a paladin of the Peacock Angel work? I mean nobody knows where she is, whether a spellcaster captured her or Szuriel killed her, so I guess a paladin could be on a holy mission to find her and return her to the Empty Palace? Make some kind of code out of Yazidism maybe?

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>>50250185
Did I do something wrong?

>>50250163
FAKER

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>Your GM offers your character a kitsune cohort
>For free.

>BUT, the GM will pick his/her subrace from one of the DSP kitsune.
>And loyalty is not guaranteed.

Will you take the offer?

>>50250194
Nah, some weirdos just don't like anime

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>>50250194
I'm sorry, I didn't check my threads and thought this was the Exalted thread

So we are playing a historically fucked ww1 game, need ideas on how to build a patton type commander char, with very good pistol badassery.

I was thinking desperado warlord, possibly with suzerain template. Any reccomendations for feats or other classes/templates. Not a ton of magic around, but itll be in setting.

>>50250194

Well, you didn't open with dogs in blankets, so I'm going to say yes.

>>50250203
>loyalty not guaranteed
>any subrace
Enjoy getting you heart eaten or your dick succ'd

>>50250203
Obviously this is a trap

But sure

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>>50250195
Faker? I think YOU'RE the fake hedgehog around here! You're not even good enough to be my fa-

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>>50250203
>>Your GM offers your character a kitsune cohort
YES
>>For-
YES

>>50247832
The destruction sphere, in addition to damage, has many good controller options, most notable crystal blast.

The dark sphere is good for controlling.

The life sphere is good for healing.

The light sphere is a good utility sphere.

The time sphere will give you haste, but its expensive.

The war sphere is all about playing as a team: pick up the safety and revitalize rallies, and maybe battle manipulation if you don't want to invest heavily in the sphere (totems aren't very impressive unless you're in a very large group).

The warp sphere can give you considerable mobility, and can let you move allies around.

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>>50250218
What about both?

>enemy is an enchanter
>uses it for political gain
>emergency ability is a quicken metamagic rod into a dominate person on whoever is most relevant at that moment
>uses it on the party wizard
>wizard becomes controlled
>party fighter was standing next to him
>party fighter full attacks the wizard the following round before the wizard has an action
>wizard throws a fit
>fighter says it had to be done, they'll resurrect him later
>wizard actually breaks down in tears
>I tell him what happens happens and that he can afford the resurrection
>still really fucking awkward
>bad guy gets away

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>>50250240

>>50250211
Sorry, all 3pp is open, but up for DM consideration

>>50250203

Sounds cute! It's like in my Japanese woodcarvings, only with double the potential for headpats!

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>>50250181
How would I go about using Psychic Armory for this? How would I go about using Overedge, Rho Aias or UBW with the Panoply? Would I need Warsoul as well? What would gestalt well with it, Mystic?

Sorry for all the questions.

So I'm working on a homebrew... and I'm kind of stuck.What kind of abilities should an initiator specializing in Broken Blade maneuvers get? Preferably something that isn't just more offence or higher damage.

>>50250280
Suplexing Trains

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>>50250273
What about fluffy tail hugs?

>>50250276
Sorry anon, i haven't actually build a soulknife before, so I can't help you. I can say that any other Wis SAD class would work well with it, though, and mystic fits that (and is really powerful at baseline to boot). As does most divine casters and a few other character options.

Basically, go for War Soul if you find a passive class for the second side of your gestalt. if you have an active class for that side, you needn't bother, and it might be easier to only keep one track of "activatable abilities" list.

You could also go for Aegis - be the character that constructs both armor and weapons out of psychic power and magic.

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>>50250293

Do you mean hugging the tail, or being hugged with the tail?

Ambiguity costs lives, anon.

Is there more about Arcanists than what's in ACG/ACO?

>>50250348
Yes

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>>50250222

>>50250338
>Do you mean hugging the tail, or being hugged with the tail?
why choose?
por que no los dos, as the ancient prophets say

>>50250361
May I ask where?

>>50250293

I will give you all the treats if I get to snuggle up with the tail, I might even brush it.

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>>50250218
>>50250240

>tfw no lewd, vaguely murderous Kitsune in RotJR who attached herself to a character after they saved her life

>>50250369
Check the pastebin.

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>>50250338
>>50250379
Why not both?

>>50250404
I meant to mean if I might ask the possible books' names

>>50250203
It appears I'm about to give my party 8 (Eight) Kitsunes as followers/apprentices etc, as they seem very taken with them.
But in fairness, it wasn't free. they had to fight a boss, and shell out some cash for raise dead for the two they didn't make it.

>>50250430
Dude just check the hecking SRD and the citations at the bottoms

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>>50250397
What about an all youkai kitsune party?

>vanilla Intelligence kitsune Vigilante stalker

>kumiho Sanguinist medic/Brutal Slayer stalker

>zenko Gifted Blade/Psychic Armory/War Soul

>huli jing warlord

>coyōtl Herald Caller hangover cleric

Would /pfg/ play in this party?

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>>50250459
>Would /pfg/ play in this party?

Not really, Kitsune are fun but they're best used sparingly. Putting that much fluffy tail in one place is a recipe for DISASTER.

>>50250459
I'd honestly rather kill myself

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>>50250473
>Putting that much fluffy tail in one place is a recipe for DISASTER.

At least it won't be a CATastrophe.

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>>50250459
As long as the players aren't jerks I wouldn't have an issue!

>>50250495

Hey hey, hey! Don't make fun of the cats! It's not their fault they've got a bad reputation.

Handsome catfolk bards a best, but tuff Witchwolves a bester.

So something else I was thinking about homebrewing is a similar system to Martial Training, but for spell casting. I don't know if there is ritual magic already (I know there is a bit, but am unsure how formalized it is as part of the system) but decided to be a faggot and add my own.

First of all these are some of the base ideas:
>divided into four main trees: Witchcraft, Druidism, Arcane, and Religious
>each branch has a requirement to start out
>Divine requires Deific Obedience
>Arcane requires Magical Aptitude
>Druidism requires Nature Magic
>Witchcraft requires having a Familiar (doesn't matter from where)
>Each level of it requires the previous (Witchcraft II requires I, IV requires III, etc.)
>They each go from I -> VII
>They each give you a number of spells stored through an item. For instance a holy symbol, spell book, familiar, or plant
>You can cast these spells as "a ritual"
>Casting a spell as a ritual increases its casting time by two steps (from a swift action -> full round action for instance)
>the steps are Swift -> Standard -> Full Round -> One Minute -> One Hour -> Four Hour -> Six Hour -> Twelve Hour -> Twenty Four Hours
>Any spell with a longer than six hour casting time defaults to 24 hours.
>Rituals normally manifest at a caster level lower than your level (level -6, minimum 1)
>Rituals change depending on certain elements, meaning you can have things to help
>These effect the casting time, caster level, DCs, etc
>For instance using two individuals bumps the CL up by 2
>Using a "implement" (could be an altar, sacred tree, witch's cauldron, etc.) can bump the CL up or reduce casting time, depending on the implement
>Metarituals are possible as well through the use of implements and expensive materials
>There are also Metaritual feats
>A character can only perform rituals for a certain amount of time per day before exhausting themselves

Sounds pretty fucking stupid, right?

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>mfw the spheres ARTs
>mfw getting shifting guise and a sphere talent for free

Important spheres-related questions time:
>Is warshifter any good good?
>Do the shifter's abilities /ALL/ work with the Transformation feat(s)? Which ones don't?
>alternatively, what's a good choice for MAXIMUM DRAGON in spheres+PoW, with gestalt?

>>50250539
holy fucking shit this is all shit,

no one should ever waste feats on this.

>>50250539
>(I know there is a bit, but am unsure how formalized it is as part of the system)
I've never once seen it used, outside of the reference to becoming a lich, and I've been playing a long time. People very rarely use ritual magic of any sort unless it;s the only way they can get a particular effect.

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>>50250525
Why do catfolk get less love from /pfg/?

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>>50250565
It's not a bad thing, it just means that we get to shower them with more love in comparison!

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>>50250504

This!

Fun things are fun when you're with the right crew! And who'd I consider the right crew? Why, you!

>>50250565
>>50250575
REMOVE C@S!

>>50250559
True.

>>50250556
Yeah this is the problem. 8 feats to cast 7th level spells taking an hour? Doesn't sound like my cup of tea.

Though people spend feats on martial training, but that's because they're combat feats. A fighter may spend his feats on this, but that's because he has a big feat budget.

The way to make it better is to ensure it gives people a way to do things they can not normally, at what isn't a prohibitory high opportunity cost.

Now here is the other idea:
>do the same thing, but instead of each feat adding new spells/max level have it increase your CL of the rituals
>instead have each feat give 2 spell levels (the first giving 3 with 0 level spells)
>meaning for four feats you can cast 6th level spells
>have anything higher than 6th require magic items to perform and not be feat based (like the implements I was talking about)

Yeah, that sounds a little better.

Though four feats to cast 6th level spells might be too good.

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>>50250565
>Why do catfolk get less love from /pfg/?

They just don't have a lot going for them to be mechanically useful, if Paizo actually offered some variant catfolk rules (which make sense considering catfolk are, canonically, hugely diverse in size or temperament) than I can guarantee we'd see more noble lion Paladins or sneaky lynx Commandos.

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>>50250594
Even me?

Man I hadn't really looked at the occult classes but the Ectoplasmatist archetype actually seems pretty sick.

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>>50250607

Is that even a question? Of course not! You're our precious cinnabon and listed under the Protected Smile Registry!

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>>50250565

The drug problem probably doesn't help.

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>>50250607
ALL C@S MUST BE REMOVED!

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>>50250606

Friendly reminder that catfolk, as they are listed in Inner Sea Races, are by and large matriarchal; catfolk settlements are almost entirely women and children, which is due to the solitary nature of male catfolk. Whenever a male wanders into town he would typically form something of a harem, staying around long enough to impregnate as many catfolk as he can before wandering out. The children of these unions are raised by the village, and any Toms are eventually driven out by their intense wanderlust.

>>50250600
>Though people spend feats on martial training, but that's because they're combat feats.
I'm pretty sure they spend feats on martial training because the benefits are genuinely worth it. Two feats nets you +4 initiative, permanent Endure Elements, a way to NOPE a single attack per combat, and a few other low-level maneuvers.

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>>50250606
>They just don't have a lot going for them to be mechanically useful

Kitsune don't either.

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>>50250752

>What is Oracle
>What are Magical Tails
>What are casters

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>>50250761
Stuff that gets totally blown away by Dex/Cha aasimar and DSP's stronger Dex/Cha races.

>>50250060
He's technically right. Alchemy is considered its own brand of magic, though it is still magic.

>looking to the Spiritualist more

>Ectoplasmatist
>fractured mind

>I can make a high charisma ojou-sama that whips the shit out of everyone with her lashes.

>>50250710
In this cast it would net you, for instance, deific obedience and a list of utility spells.

Actually, another idea. I could make it more like Martial Training and instead require skill ranks.

So two feats nets you 2nd level spells like augury, invisibility, and the like.

I liked deific obedience being required, but instead I may make it a requirement for the high end ones. So to get more than a certain amount takes extra feat investment.

>>50250772

DSP's races came out well-after Kitsune became a meme, and while you've got a point with Aasimar few can deny the luster of a properly fluffed tail.

>>50250772
>gets blown away by the by far strongest race
I mean, sure. Aasimar are just better than everyone else except humans.

>>50250776
I know the logic behind the game mechanics, but that does not prevent it from being moronic

>>50250785
>In this cast it would net you, for instance, deific obedience and a list of utility spells.
You're spending feats to get something you could easily match with ranks in UMD and some gold.

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So i want to play a Draconic Exemplar /pfg/

Any tips?

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>>50250801
>aasimar
>strongest race

Please.

>syrinx
>strix
>wyrwood
>munavri
>kasatha
>trox
>centaur
>drider
>gargoyle
>ogre

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>>50250923

>Trying to trump his post with races that will either never be available, or put the player's build under a microscope

What are you doing.

>>50247581
How is this OP still missing the Gear of Power playtest?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zIomq0TFP7uPdlFB8VRAIWQEjAXLV5CYpP3HmjySynU/edit?usp=sharing

>>50250938
What makes them sooooooooooo much worse than aasimar?

>>50250960

Because you'll never ever EVER get to play them, anon! When's the last time you've seen a DM say, "Yeah sure, play a horse! Play a snek, or a spider! I don't care?"

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>>50250991
I've had GMs flat out ban aasimar too, Anon.

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How should blinklings get along with kitsune and catfolk?

>>50251009

That's a shame, but at least that's something they address, rather than saying "hey, I want to play X."

>>50251065

They'd naturally antagonize Kitsune as the fox-folk traditionally despise dogs, but the catfolk would probably have something of an amusing rivalry.

>>50250991

>You'll never ever EVER get to play them

You won't? My GM loves weird-ass races-there's always at least one nontraditional option mixed in with the rest.

>>50250923
>centaur
>drider
>gargoyle
>ogre

What GM is going to let you play these without some serious balancing?

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>>50251091
>You won't?

Nope, all my DMs have been turbo-traditional.

I just want to play a palomino Centaur that worships Kurgess, is that too much to ask?

How do you make Pathfinder Society a decent thing in a game?

>>50251227

Make them morally ambiguous and vaguely incompetent.

They're the blundering corporation to your party's ragtag group of bright-eyed explorers. An obstacle, but never a true threat.

>No malefex updates
Gareth why

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In your expert opinions, would a man wearing good cologne smell overpowering to a humanoid with scent, or even more pleasant than normal?

>>50251384
That depends entirely on the scent being used and the humanoid doing the smelling.

>>50251384
Overpowering.

>>50251405
>>50251401

Proabably laced with pheromones of some kind.

>>50250909
Yes, but being able to at any time replicate a consumable is something you'd spend a feat on.

>>50251423

Cologne isn't normally laced with pheromones though, it's just a pleasant aroma.

>>50251423
http://archivesofnethys.com/EquipmentMiscDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Alchemical%20pheromones%20(aggression)

>>50250163
Archer is a soulbolt.
Shirou is a soulknife.
Gilgamesh is psychic armory.

Swords as arrows is quite simply fluff. A soulbolts 'arrows' can look like anything, As can a soul knifes sword/knife thing. As can a psychic armories nonsense.

And while shirou and archer both have access to UBW, it really isn't the core of what they do (i'd say its more DM fiat than anything else). It is unfortunately not possible to replicate *all* of the elements of their kit at the same time (though I suppose maybe you could go PsyArm -> Soul arrow prestige)

Overedge/Broken Phantasms are quite simply psychic strikes.

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>>50251443

>Arousal's only 150 gp

I can afford that.

>>50251457
But doesn't Archer use the two shortswords for most fights?

>>50251478
No, he arches for the vast majority of his fights.

>>50251475
>150 gp
>not crafting it yourself for 50 gp

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>>50251493

I forgot I had Craft (Alchemy) and Brew Potion as feats.

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>>50250186
Bump

>>50251478
There's a blade talent that lets you summon two knives for soulbolts.

>Mind Daggers: If a soulbolt selects the Mind Daggers blade skill, she gains the option to form her mind bolt into dagger form, dealing 1d4 points of damage, with a critical threat range of 19-20, a critical multiplier of x2, and a range increment of 30 ft. When making ranged attacks with the mind bolt in dagger form, a soulbolt adds her Strength modifier to damage rolls. When forming her mind bolt into dagger form, the soulbolt may either make a single mind bolt or a pair of mind bolts, so long as both are in dagger form. The mind bolt suffers the standard penalty for forming two items. The soulbolt may additionally use the mind bolt in dagger form to make melee attacks, but this may render some of the mind bolt's weapon special abilities non-functioning if they do not apply to melee attacks (such as the Distance special ability; see Enhanced Mind Bolt below).

>>50251281
Yeah if they're not actually competent they could work.

Because overall, if you follow what they do in the books, they're immoral, HIGHLY unethical assholes who aren't so much "not above" framing, murder, coercion and theft as "enthusiastic performers", when it comes to getting something they want to "it belongs in OUR museum, and certainly not one where other people that aren't us could ever see it ha ha ha"

If they're played like team rocket, then the players won't feel compelled to exterminate the entire bloodline of all who've ever been a part of it just to make sure.

>>50251627
THE PATHFINDER SOCIETY'S BLASTING OFF AGAAAAAIN

By RAW it would not, but would you personally allow an alchemist that has lost Throw Anything via archetypes gain the "full effect" of the feature if they took it as a regular feat?

>>50247113
That's a good idea! Thank you!

>>50251478
>>50251457
Shirou *can* also work as a living legend.

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>>50251588
The Living Legend can also choose a wide variety depending on their current role.

There is, as well, the Warsoul, whose Discipline Blade Shapes ability is what "emulate weapon" should have been from the start, and who can reproduce any weapon whose category matches the available school-weapons of his known disciplines.

'Pic' CAN in fact be 'related'

>>50251513
Doesn't use brew potion, anon. Just Craft (Alchemy).

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>>50251683
but it should be pic related.

>>50251701
Well...
I actually fully agree with you there but so many folks on here are put off by the thought of emulating the tech weapons even if one were to refluff them as more regular blasts or hell even a warlock's eldritch shots because nothing as advanced as the cannons that were already around centuries before it should be in muh fantasy land of full plate and halberds

>>50251683
>tfw think the living legend/host of heroes is really interesting mechanically
>fucking DESPISE the fluff

>>50251699

Will do!

What are some other fun uses for alchemy as a character that isn't actually focused on alchemy at all? Seems to me like I'm just going to be making Alchemist's Kindness and contraceptives for most of the adventure.

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Why do you guys get your maps? Do you just make your own?

>>50251817
I purchase them from a reputable source. If there are none I make one.

Profession (Cartographer) is useful over uncharted territory.

>>50251683
>>50251701
I dont get how pic is related.

>>50251856

Don't forget to buy your scroll maps to protect them from inclement weather!

>>50251817

What type of maps? Encounter maps? World maps?

World maps I use Inkarnate, for encounter maps I steal every premade thing I can find or make my own with Pyromancers

>>50251856
I meant like dungeon maps for DMs.

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>>50251883
>scroll maps

Meant to say scroll case.

>>50251884
I haven't started making anything yet so anything is good.

>>50251867
Discipline Blade Shapes lets you replicate any weapon (without needing ammo either) that qualifies as one of your discipline weapons. Your soul-weapon will follow the statline and weapon qualities, except for needing no reloading.

Have Piercing Thunder? You can create any polearm or spear.

Have Elemental Flux? Light Blades, Monk Weapons, and Thrown.

Tempest Gale? Bows, Crossbows, Firearms, and Thrown weapons.

How many different types of polearm are available? of flails or whips? of *firearms*? You get where this is headed yet?

And if we use the words "weapon group adaptation" how far do we go from there?

You ever get it on with Shayliss?

>>50252189
Nope.

is there a discipline that uses whips?

I want to be THE MOST skill monkey. Advise me friends.

>>50252270

Unchained Rogue| Expert NPC class gestalt

>>50252270
Alchemist or rogue investigators

>>50252189

You kinda do when you hook up in the store basement; the two of you get busted mid-act, with all that implies.

However, the only way to get a relationship with her is succeeding at the Diplomacy check when dad comes down to see what you're doing to his daughter. Make the DC, and she just decides on another time and location to bang you.

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>>50252270
What'chu got available to you, senpai? 1pp-wise Phantom Thief Unchained Rogue for MAXIMUM POSSIBLE SKILLS AND SKILL UNLOCKS in exchange for basically any combat viability. Alternatively, actually play something viable by going for Empiricist Investigator for Int-to-All-the-Skills and actual combat viability (assuming your GM is not a dickhead about finesse stuff and/or doesn't force you to start at 1st level) after a certain point. Alchemist is also a thing, but it doesn't quite do Skill Monkey particularly well, even if it's still "better than the rogue".

>>50252302
>>50252312
Incorrect. A high int Summoner with a Skill Eidolon will do you better. Have a small eidolon for every dex skill, have the character handle all the face/int skills.

Skilled is great at low levels for shit like stealth. I build a fantastic skill monkey character named The Songbird. I could post him.

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>>50252189
Pfft forget her, Ameiko ftw

>>50252316
>Diplomacy
>not Bluff
>not playing a very dense adventurer

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>>50252392

Romance Score: 40.

She is unfuckable until at least Book 4, you know.

What is this about romance scores and DCs?

Did Paizo make a waifu-sim ruleset?

>>50252432
jade regent

>>50252420
"As long as I can be by her side, I'll wait until the stars fall from the heavens and Pharasma herself comes to claim my soul."
Is what my character would say, I'm not really a waifufag, I swear.

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>>50252392

I am compelled to post this. even though is has no bearing on the conversation.

All of the Kaijistu sisters are primo Waifu material.

>>50252432
>What is this about romance scores and DCs?

Jade Regent introduced "Relationship scores" that give you boons depending on how close the PC is with the NPC, and every NPC has a "Romance Score" which is the minimum needed to pursue a romantic relationship with the character.

It's kind of mean when you realize the way to increase a Relationship score involves Diplomacy and Charisma, meaning all but the most handsome of Paladins or Sorcerers will have a shot at getting in Ameiko or Shalelu's pants.

>>50252448
Is that AP fun? I hear about it a fair amount but haven't played it at all. Same with RotRL and Kingmaker.

Did they ever make a Land of the Linnorm Kings AP or a Make Taldor Great Again AP?

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>>50252478
I love that picture except for the facial expression on the right.

>>50252489

Jade Regent is a legitimately good AP, it's one of the few campaigns that feature travel through multiple countries, and in that respect it portrays the culture shifts very well.

>>50252483
I thought it was just Diplomacy and gifts. Charisma determines your starting relationship.

Do impossible speed (champion) stacks with itself everytime you spend a MP?

>>50252524

Yeah, and Diplomacy is heavily tied to Charisma.

The gifts require a Diplomacy check to make sure the gesture went over well.

You can also only do these checks once a level!

>>50251780
Slime Grenades melt armor in as revealing a manner as you want
Alchemical candle wax can enhance poisons by filling an area with them for up to 2 hours and explicitly has a line stating you can use them with alchemical pheromones
Kaava Musk and Beast Lure are handy if you want to attract animals for hunting or the knot
Bachelor Snuff
Alchemical grease

>>50252478

>That spoiler

That's a whole lot of implying you got there, anon.

>>50252270
synthesist summoner
lots of skilled evolutions and high int/cha

>>50252478
Dhampir bookstore clerk only good one desu

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>>50252504
why is there a power strip in the kitchen

>>50252548
>Yeah, and Diplomacy is heavily tied to Charisma.
Unless you take a trait

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>>50252526

I would assume not, otherwise you're going to be reaching some serious Sanic speeds in no time.

>>50252582
Because they have a lot of appliances to plug in, duh.

>>50252573
All worse than delicious bread-wolf-waifu

>>50252602
most houses are built with more than enough plugs for appliances to plug into

this is horseshit.

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>How much do you stand up against furry style races (see Augunas) and promote uguu anime kemonomimi races? Pic related?

I send both to a fiery grave.

>>50252612

The thicc Ulfen girl with a sweet tooth is kinda growing on me desu.

>>50252612
holy awoo > bread awoo
fight me

>>50252264
First, remember that most maneuvers can be used with most weapons with the only absolute restriction being "ranged/melee" (a lot of moves are melee-attack only for example, while solar wind is restricted to its discipline weapons instead). It's just that using the discipline weapon itself adds +2 to save DCs if you actually use a move that uses it (no change otherwise), and there's a discipline focus feat that increases bonuses and damage further with that too.

>Flails: battle poi, bladed scarf, chain spear, dire flail, double chained kama, flail, flying blade, gnome pincher, halfling rope-shot, heavy flail, kusarigama, kyoketsu shoge, meteor hammer, morningstar, nine-section whip, nunchaku, sansetsukon, scorpion whip, spiked chain, urumi, and whip.

The categories are as per fighter weapon training lists. So Flail category disciplines include:
>Black Seraph (axes, flails and polearms)
>Riven Hourglass (flails, hammers, light blades)
>Sleeping Goddess (flails, heavy blades, monk, spears, and any weapon created by one of its maneuvers OR a form-mind-blade or equivalent ability)

Additionally Weapon Group Adaptation allows you to select any one weapon group and from then on it counts as a discipline weapon for ALL your disciplines (though you're still not going to be able to use a melee-only strike with your Hotchkiss)

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>>50252624
>hating kemonomimi

>>50252618
Looks like an apartment, and a cheap one, so it probably doesn't. Then again, I am unfamiliar with Japanese Building Code

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>>50252631

There's a holy awoo? I thought the only one was the woofle girl.

>>50252591
1800 kmph at tier 10

>>50252661
It was one of the Not!Paladin characters. Wulfkin (OD/ZS) Warder||Hedgewitch. Worshipped Shelyn and used a glaive iirc.

>>50252624
xD purge da unclean upboated fir de emprah!

>>50252618
Jap appartments might be a lot more limited.

Actually some older buildings in canada sometimes have the issue as well even nowadays; my appartment in college five years back had the oven plugged in of course, but other than that had but a *single* outlet in the entire kitchen, and it shared a circuit with the light so turning off the ceiling light would also kill the fridge.

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All this gosh darn discussion on "why-foos" is really making me think they should just quit with the foreplay and find a nice Discord channel to find a release for all of this virtual blue-balling.

I mean, the conversations are cute and all, but they shouldn't be happening every thread. At least make a list of established characters or something so we know who is what.

>>50252478
>>50252573
As that character's creator I am honored that you think that!

>>50252725
Well, Mr. Viking, are you going to pillage my hamlet later?

>>50252725
except then they'll hear eachother's voices, and the cute teenage anime girls will give way to greasy dudes in their late 20s

>The boner dies... and all of our hopes, die with it

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>>50252631
>>50252661
>>50252708
>People remembered your character
What a nice feel.

>>50252770

Discord is text-based, the voice is optional.

>>50252754

Are the English perfidious?

>>50252794
everyone I've known that uses discord only uses the chat box to relentlessly spam youtube links and imgur

>>50252820
My heart isn't, and that's what matters!

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>>50252846

A-Anon...

>>50252820
Indeed, I heard the cowards even hired Thorkell the Tall to fight for them

You guys really love using your spoilers for no apparent reason.

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>>50252874

I knew I was saving this image for something!

>>50249869
Yeah sometimes playing a noncaster and being able to use light is nice.

>>50252877
It makes you sound like you are whispering.

Anyone have any tips for how many Ogres I could throw at a party of 5th level adventurers, I wanted to give them some class levels to sort of show the very real threat the PC's are facing but I've always been shit about figuring out how difficult things can be so I'm looking for some insight

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>>50252777
Mostly because I liked the background and themes you had talked about for the character, and think they'd be fun to be a foil for. That you went and made the character adorable on top of that is just a nice bonus.

nice sevens, my man

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>>50252888
You were, but this wasn't the right moment you were saving for. You wasted a perfectly good response image anon

>>50252902
Well, what is the party composed of? Do they know how to fight against ogres at all? After all, a party of Druid/Sorcerer/Zealot/Paladin plays very differently than a party of Ranger/Warlord/Monk/Arcanist.

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>>50252922
Thanks, it's reassuring to hear.

And nice dubs!

>>50252777

Well yeah, you made a good character.

The fact you've been able to make the character popular without waifu-posting says a lot about their quality.

>>50252985
>The fact you've been able to make the character popular without waifu-posting says a lot about their quality.
Except people are literally waifuposting about it in this very thread.

What was even said about the character beyond, "this is an awoo paladin who worships Shelyn and likes family stuff"?

>>50252985
waifuposting never changes though.

>>50252985
>able to make the character popular without waifu-posting says a lot about their quality.
>without waifu-posting

what the fuck are you talking about

>>50252947
This will be there first time encountering them

The Party is a Druid/Magus/Sythesist/Polearm Fighter/ Oracle

This will be there first encounter with a larger threat of a very savage monster Horde that is being chased out of the Underdark(because plot) So things like Orcs/Goblins/Hobs/Ogres etc

The idea being that this particular Ogre Clan are sort of like the shock troops/marines, they're cunning but not geniuses and I didn't just want to stick to the trope of playing them as big dumb smashy brutes

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Waifus, waifus never change.

>>50251817
I make most of my maps in Maptool. I also collect them from other GMs and /tg/ map threads. Sadly I have become too lazy and tired to map with the enthusiasm I once had.

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>>50252963
Can't force meme magic, my friend. I do wish you good luck, because that character deserves to be played and find a loving family.

>>50253013
I mean, the character was brought up in a conversation about the quality of waifus. Most of the actual discussion ABOUT the character was a couple threads ago and involved background, motivations, and how to justify certain abilities over others. Until THIS VERY THREAD, they hadn't really gotten dragged into the waifuposting. That they can be boiled down to "awoo not!paladin who worships shelyn and is into family stuff" is mostly indicative of not wanting to type out (or even remember the entirety of) the whole paragraph that was that person's full pitch for the character.

And I bet many of us still remember more about the Awoo than we do about the OTHER "Not!Paladin" character.

>>50253013
I hadn't said much beyond that because I literally started the backstory a few days ago. There isn't much more to it yet.

What would you suggest I add to make it more compelling? I don't normally go this far with character backstory/theming.

>>50251817
http://pyromancers.com/dungeon-painter-online/ gives me everything I need to knock out a rubbishy dungeon.

>>50252478
the real question is which of the sisters can take the biggest buttplug

>>50253136
>ywn be a mechanically Not!Paladin with a thematically Not!Paladin bro.

>>50253136
> Most of the actual discussion ABOUT the character was a couple threads ago and involved background, motivations, and how to justify certain abilities over others.
It was a few threads ago and it pretty much boiled down to "how do I justify font of inspiration on this character" and it did "X+Y". There was no other discussion about the character aside from what I can recall.

I think your confusing "I personally like this character" with is good/compelling, but what the hell do I know?
>And I bet many of us still remember more about the Awoo than we do about the OTHER "Not!Paladin" character.
A tiefling or something that wants to be a hero.
Like here all the characters I can remember
>oni fap bait
>thicc girl fap bait
>bookish dhampir that probably didn't mean to get turned into fap bait, but got turned into it anyway.
>aforementioned paladin
>artisan/zweihander who likes to paint
>old tielfing guy
>paladin tiefling guy who keeps posting people from guilty gear
>brawler/bloodrager
>tentacle monstrosity
>kitsune psyarm
>some mage faggot who's obsessed with Ameiko

>>50253149

Tell us what you have so far and we can work it out.

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>>50252877
We have many secrets.

>>50252612
>>50252631
>>50252661
I'm new, who is this holy awoo? I wish to hear of her tales.

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What are your opinions on the grippli?

So what books do I need to make martials not absolute wastes of space?

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>>50253295
Maybe I'm mis-remembering something, or remembering hearing stuff that wasn't even in the thread. I just know that I very much prefer whatever it was I heard about THAT to most of the other discussed characters.

>I think your confusing "I personally like this character" with is good/compelling, but what the hell do I know?
>how much you enjoy a particular thing is not at all related to how good/compelling you find a particular thing
>especially in regards to looking at whether you want to play an entire game with that particular thing

>mfw dhampir turned into fapbait
I never wanted this to happen

>>50253149
Just make something you want to make..Popular in this general doesn't equal good. Aside from the lewdposting, none of the characters posted in this general seemed to be "oh my god NO" tier terrible except for the Slave guy and that was literally a joke.

>>50253410
Nice Greninja you got there

>>50253413

Play a different game.

>>50253410
They're pretty neat, but Grippli can't be good Barbarians so you can't REEEEEE with them.

Then again, nothing of value is lost there.

>>50253423

What would you consider some of the better, more developed characters?

>>50253150
This is nice! Have you ever had any trouble dropping them into roll20 using this?

>>50253334
I posted this a few threads back

>Born to a Minor Noble in Korsova
>Non-human-ness is believed to be result of mother's faithlessness to father
>Father hates character due to "ruining family" (mother may or may not be around anymore, undecided)
>Throws self at books/religion to get away from it all
>Meets Shelyn priest who cares for young character and helps mentor them through youth
>When comes of age, joins a group of Shelyn knights/paladins
>After training with them for X years, is sent to Sandpoint to check out temple and to look into birthplace of mentor priest.

An idea I've been toying with is having the mentor be a well traveled priest/paladin. The character looking up to that decides to take on the sandpoint job and later the journey to jade-regen-ville. I like the idea of wanderlust being a part of the character but having that conflict with a desire to feel in place.

Still a work in progress and could be tightened up in (a lot of) places, but I like it so far.

I never wanted to be waifuposted and I now sort of regret posting this so much. I should have just made this into a old man paladin who wants to help guide the party or something. But even that would get waifu-posted,

>>50253421
I'm slightly-annoyed that dhampir got turned into fapbait. All I ever wanted was to be The Ultimate Librarian and Book-User, is that so hard to ask?

>>50253471

>But even that would get waifu-posted

Anon please, the cancer is localized to certain characters and even then it's manageable, just make a solid character and things will be fine.

>>50250785
>durrr
fuck no moron. you have to make the spells worth casting, not -6 CL and minute long casts.

>>50253421
>>50253488

I dont remember her turning into fapbait... I just wanted to have glorious sisterly interactions between an Extrovert and an Introvert.

>>50253459
None of them really seem all that developed

I'd say the either the Artisan or the Mage faggot, because they seem like the only ones that weren't ripped straight from an anime.

>>50253413
Weapon Master's Handbook
Armor Master's Handbook
Path of War
Path of War Expanded
The Art of War
War and Peace
The Holy Bible
The Book of Mormon
The Bhagavad Gita
The Necronomicon
4E Player's Manual

>>50253504
So would you consider the character "solid" or not? If not, what could be improved upon? This is one of the first times I've branched out beyond human/elf/half-elf for race choice and I want it to be more than "human with a funny hat"

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>>50253524
>they seem like the only ones that weren't ripped straight from an anime
>the Artisan or Mage faggot /AREN'T/ ripped straight from an anime

Motherfucker, using that as a measuring stick is like using "it wasn't ripped from a book" as a measuring stick. EVERYTHING can be "anime" if you look far enough into it. See: a fuckton of western mythology.

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>>50253295
>kitsune psyarm
Wow, someone remembered that. I've kinda stalled with finishing it. Going archon-blooded aasimar for the awoo (hound archons are a thing) would be nice but there already are wolves included. I've also thought about making not-Erika from Shadowverse as Zweihander Bushi. Sadly, I have no real backstory in mind for these concepts, only vague bits.

For the record, I am not the guy periodically spamming with "GiftedBlade/PsyArm/WarSoul || Meditant/Pathwalker zenko kitsune" posts

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>>50253545
>The Book of Mormon

>>50253524
>t. Anime-hating faggot
Pic related

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>>50252902
>>50252947
>>50253050


Still looking for tips and advice, please

>>50253584
What, the Necronomicon didn't raise an eye, but the Book of Mormon did? The Necronomicon doesn't even have any Martials in it!

This general seems like its a /vg/ general in disguise on account of all the annoying waifu spam. I guess to be fair there isn't much to discuss about Pathfinder anyway.

>>50253607
>Book of Mormon has martials in it.
Korihor's lies everybody.

>>50253552

First off, I'd keep the mother around and the father simply neglecting your character - hate is a bit too dramatic, if you want a real reason to hide in books it would be the father simply seeing you as a total disappointment. The Shelynite mentor could be a librarian that notices this, or maybe a paladin mentoring your character that started asking about home life.

Make the mentor older, possibly a woman but ideally a man for that father-substitute. He should be as you said, a well-traveled individual that pours his life story into the young woman (assuming you stay with that) and shows that the Shelynite Church is full of people like him AND her.

Honestly your character is fairly solid, anything that would be added now is padding.

>>50253295
>>50253524
What's your masterpiece character then? I assume you have one seeing as you've critiqued everyones.