EDH/Commander General

In the spirit of the thread topic, I'll admit that most of my decks use huge commanders as combat wrecking balls. Nothing gives me more joy than resolving a Chandra's Ignition on Kresh and one-shotting someone, or slipping a 30/30 Karlov through after exiling their blockers.

Does anyone have a good Breya/Sydri infinite combo list? I'm getting the precon tomorrow and want some more ideas to build off of.

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>>50246456
>he uses the inferior artifact commanders

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>hey, I'm just gonna look for a budget alternative for Demonic Tutor that works well in my deck
>it's just as expensive
Fuck me.

>Quick, post green Sorceries and Instants that basically win the game when infinitely recurred via Mirari + Regrowth + Revive

I'll start:
Storm Seeker
Plow Under
Seedtime

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>goldnight castigator, panharmonicon, parallel lives and five 1/1 human tokens on the field from increasing devotion.
>flashback increasing devotion
>mfw

>>50246980
>when recurred infinitely

all of them

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>>50246490
what is that glass for
she has paws
how does she drink from it

>>50246997
>how does she drink from it
very carefully

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>>50247041

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So /tg/ I got pissed at my playgroup and am now building an Atraxa Stax deck which is going to be opressive as fuck.

Stasis locks, torpor orbs, infect, you name it.

Magistrate's for the extra turns, Chronologist, all of it.

Planeswalkers and infect to just top it off.

Do you have any suggestions except "kill yourself"?

>>50247336
Tangle Wire is disgusting with proliferate

>>50247344

oh, just got a chub thinking about it

>>50246456

Deadeye and Mana Echoes is pretty dumb with Breya, though not infinite on its own because of colored mana.

>>50247336
i hope this isn't the kind of "pissed" that destroys playgroups

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>>50246213
>Playing Thromok
>Ulasht's feeble cousin

>>50247543
ulasht always seemed way too clunky
sell me on him

>>50247549
Fun uses for Ulasht:

1: Works better with the obligatory doubling season
Chump block with him and use his ability to create X saprolings,
Next turn recast him double size

3. Add Skullclamp for 2: Draw two cards

4: Conjuror's closet becomes
X: Create X saprolings and Ulasht gets X bigger at end of turn.

He starts smaller, but he can grow more, and has more synergy

>>50247622
I just felt like he was too mana intensive to be viable, and board wipes completely shut down everything he's been building to.

Thromok admittedly dies to removal hard and doesn't like boardwipes either, but when he goes off, HE GOES OFF.

>>50247336

Parallax Wave and Tide are also pretty good.

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>>50246981
goldknight commander* not castigator fuk

>>50247526

Nah, I'm just sick and tired of everyone going more and more cutthroat so I'm just gonna try and slow everything down.

At the moment the playstyle of the group has devolved into "who can tutor their infinite faster".

>>50247798
sounds like a terrible case of spikism

i'm very happy that my playgroup understands that games are more fun when everyone plays their decks at 75% power. there's basically an unspoken agreement that no one puts shit in their decks that would make the entire table groan

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>>50247833

I personally like playing against competitive decks, but the fun-factor is gone in these kind of situations where everyone is just playing solitaire, at least now they will have to deal with me being a dick to everyone first, kek.

>>50247336
blowfly infestation. the gift that keeps on giving. you can effectively kill with just poliferation. Inexorable Tide makes all your spells poliferate when you can them too.

>>50247336
every fucking propaganda effect known to man

>>50247336
>4color for stax
Stax should be keeped on 1-2 colors, so you can abuse stony silence and null rod

why is the yidris mana base so meh compared to the other c16 decks?

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My opponent has necroskitter and I have bane of progress with few few +1 counters on him. If my opponent black suns enough to kill bane, he comes back on my opponents sides because he was last remembered on the battlefield with -1 -1 counters as well right, even though they cancel

so does the exile card from cascade also have cascade?

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>Spends 10 minutes comboing with elves to get a bunch of lands and live 5 extra elves
>Oath of Druid into Cataclysmic Gearhulk

>"player has left the game"

Damn it feels good to be gangsta

>>50246968
If you need a "budget alternative" to a fucking 10 dollar card, find a new hobby.

>>50248281
I dunno, genius, is the Exile zone your hand?

>>50248233
if there was enough minus counters to kill it and still have it when it goes to the grave yes. the only senario it wouldnt happen if a base 0/0 with equal amounts of minuses as pluses as they null each other but isnt the killing blow.

>>50248344
>a base 0/0 with equal amounts of minuses as pluses as they null each other but isnt the killing blow.
...what?

>>50248379
Minuses and pluses null each others but 0/0 is a kill..

>>50248330
you could spend that 10 dollars to buy 50 gray merchants

didnt think of that, did you

>>50248444
Okay, I want to make sure I understand what you're saying:

Are you saying that if I had a 0/0 with five +1/+1 counters on it, and then someone played a Black Sun's Zenith for X=5, that Necroskitter wouldn't trigger? Because you're wrong if that's what you're saying.

>>50248464
Am a different person from OP just replied on the counter part..
If You have a 0/0 with 5 +1/+1 on it then someone else play blacksun With X=5, it dépend You owns the necroskitter..

New to commander, how much ramp would you play?
I'm playing Tasigur and have the following
38 lands
5 artifact ramps
3 mana dorks
5 'put land into play' cards
exploration + burgeoning
oracle of mul daya
Is this way too much?

About half my spells are 3 or less and half are like 4-6 CMC

>>50248503
I'm gonna guess English isn't you first language.

>>50248515
You're probably going a little too hard, honestly. I think 38 lands, 5 rocks, and 5 "other" (whether that be Rampant Growth effects, mana dorks, or a combination thereof) is plenty and a half.

Also, I'm not a huge fan of Burgeoning, but that's just me.

>>50248518
M'y autocorrect fuckboard betrayed me

I just bought all the singles I'll be using to upgrade the stock C16 decks I bought (yidris and gaymen).
>tfw combined total of precons and singles is $100 exactly
It's hip to be square :')

Share your good purchase feels with me, /edhg/

>>50248518
Was about To say that if necroskitter is yours and die on the blacksunzenith then it do not trigger

>>50248555
No shit, sherlock. It says "Opponent".

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Post commanders that seem neat at first but really aren't.

>>50248526
Do you think that this is enough sweepers?
Pernicious Deed
Damnation
Cyclonic Rift
Toxic Deluge
Ugin

>>50246213
guys I quit yugioh a few years ago, Magic seems really appealing and commander seem like the most appealing format, would you discourage me from starting with commander? I really only wanna play for fun

helb

>>50248561
Ok let's rewind à little would we? You and Adolf playing edh, You play necroskitter he already have a 2/2 with one -1/-1 on it.. it's turn, he plays a blacksunzenith at 5..
Two crea dies.. the necroskitter isn't on the board when his crea goes in his yard, how could it trigger then?

>>50248578
Commander is the most expensive to hop into, typically, but you're in luck--precons just came out.

Look into the Commander 2015 or 2016 product line, buy one, and hop in.

Although if you don't actually know basic MtG mechanics you should start in limited because people at LGSs are often more helpful than your cynical friends. preferably sealed if you're incompetent at telling left from right.

>>50248602
>preferably sealed if you're incompetent at telling left from right

looks like I'm starting with sealed, thanks famalam

>>50247336
Well, to be fair, I think that 4 colour stax is pretty bad idea. UW or esper stax are great.
I don't speak from experience though, it's just that I think that Back To Basics is required card in any stax deck, depending on the meta of course.
Smokestack is auto include too, it works well with proliferate.

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>>50248542
I just bought most of the cards for this deck (everything except most of the lands and a few of the more expensive enchantments). Hopefully the cards come in before Thursday so I can try it out this week.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/29-10-16-let-it-burn/

>>50248572
Depends on your meta, honestly. In some areas having 5 sweepers is excessive, and in others 5 is nowhere near enough.

>>50248601
Because creatures that leave the battlefield simultaneously see each other do so, and trigger appropriately.

>>50248578
I started mtg with commander 2011, lots of fun if You have players nearby

>>50248655
Agreed, but it's written "put into a graveyard" not "leave the battlefield" wording matters no?

>>50248698
No. Either one of those would work. Necroskitter will 'see' the creature dying, even if Necroskitter itself is dying. That's why Blood Artist triggers for everything during a Wrath, and not just itself.

>>50248601
You're a retard. They die simultaneously, so it still triggers.
Anyway, he's wrong. Let's say that I have Ghave on the field with 5 counters. Zenith with X=5 will reduce him to a 0/0, and he won't have minus counters on him at that point when state based actions are checked, so Necroskitter won't trigger. However, if X exceeds the number of counters on ghave, you get him. Same goes for Dusk Urchins, if you Zenith for say 20 ad you control Urcins with nothing on them, you'll draw 20 cards after Zenith resolves.
Creatures can't have minus and plus counters on them at the same time.
So for the original, if Bane is killed by Zenith, you get him after the dip unless something prevents it.

On a side note, I love It That Betrays, since he grabs all sacced permanents no matter where they go, exile or command zone even, unless they move away from that zone when ITB's ability resolves.

>>50248723
>and he won't have minus counters on him at that point when state based actions are checked, so Necroskitter won't trigger
Incorrect. The counters 'negating' each other and creatures being put into the bin for having 0 toughness are both SBAs, which are checked and enacted simultaneously. It had -1/-1 counters on it when it died, because "remove all these counters" and "kill me" happen at the exact same time.

>>50248449
How is that relevant at all? You can buy 50 Diabolic tutors as well with that price and it does the same thing. Still, quality is more important than quantity, at least in EDH.
Intent can be better than Demonic in some cases, as I have used it as a sac outlet for Lark and won the game countless times.

>>50248717
Ok with that

>>50248738
Oh, well thanks for clearing that up. Do you have the ruling for that though?

>>50248792
It's not a "ruling". This isn't Yugioh. Interactions work because the RULES say so, not because a 'ruling' was made for that specific interaction.

But yes. 704.7. If a state-based action results in a permanent leaving the battlefield at the same time other state-based actions were performed, that permanent's last known information is derived from the game state before any of those state-based actions were performed.
Example: You control Young Wolf, a 1/1 creature with undying, and it has a +1/+1 counter on it. A spell puts three -1/-1 counters on Young Wolf. Before state-based actions are performed, Young Wolf has one +1/+1 counter and three -1/-1 counters on it. After state-based actions are performed, Young Wolf is in the graveyard. When it was last on the battlefield, it had a +1/+1 counter on it, so undying will not trigger.

>>50248723
Totally agree with You but don't be insulting it just bring hostility in a ground where it is more than already present (mtg match) (although mtg is fun)

>>50248841
>Totally agree with you
Well you shouldn't because he's wrong

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>buy the breya precon and edit it a little bit
>friend who bought atraxa and built it as superfriends thinks breya is shit in every way compared to breya and wants to test his atraxa out against my breya
>everytime he casts atraxa, it diee to breya's ability and all his walkers end up being countered or dead through other means
>end the game with breya swinging for lethal

Even without infinite combos, breya is no joke

>>50248893
No, Breya is trash. Your opponent was just fucking stupid to cast his Atraxa while you visibly had Breya, 2 mana, and 2 artifacts.

Her ability is overcosted as shit and she's a bad Commander.

>>50248621
I hope it works out for you. The deck looks like a lot of fun... for you, at least. And even then, you're not afraid to bleed a little bit yourself! It's perfectly Rakdos! I love it!

>>50248906
Fuck off Lawrence. Next game I'll just mill you out.

Still desperately trying to cut down this Sydri list. I can't see anything I actually want to remove. And before anybody says to cut Willbender, it can counter Krosan Grip, which is played in line 90% of the cards in my meta.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-11-16-sydri/

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>>50248994
>lawrence

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Oh jeez

>>50249065
>not having friends named lawrence

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>>50249071
G E T R E A D Y

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>>50249055
Magus of the Tabernacle
Willbender
Caltrops
Time Sieve
Fortuitous Find
Twincast
Vanish into Memory

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>>50249071

>>50249101
>cutting Caltrops in Sydri
C'mon son

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>>50249101
>Cut Caltrops
>from Sydri

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>>50249114
>>50249117
I've never built Sydri, but even with her abilities, it still doesn't seem all that good to me.

>>50249071
So is the appeal of this that its only been printed once/twice? compared to vampiric tutor which is arguably better?

>>50249133
As long as you have her and Caltrops out, leave up WUB and nobody will attack you.

Hell, you don't even need them to attack -you-. You can just fuck up any of their attackers.

>>50249144
Scarcity, yeah. Imperial Seal has only ever been printed in Portal: Three Kingdoms, and the english print run of that was extremely limited in both quantity and scope (I think it was ONLY released in Australia?).

>>50249147
I see it now! Wow. That's some good tech. So yeah, fuck what I said. Cut something else.

>>50248906
Breya eggs is fun though.

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I'm aking a big old wooden box for a ton of cards and I have the opportunity to spray paint something on the top with a stencil.

Any ideas what kind of MTG-related art to use? I feel like putting all the mana symbols would make it overdesigned so I was just thinking of putting a plain ol' planeswalker symbol there. but then that might be a bit too bland. thoughts?

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>>50249192
>breya eggs

I have been hearing about this but not seen what it is or even does, indulge me.

>>50249192
There's way better sac outlets.

>>50248287
I don't really know what is worst, the people who surrenders to infinite combos or those who stay until you complete the combo

>>50249304
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/breya-eggs-combo/
It can still be tunned

>>50249399
If it's a true infinite (Kiki Jiki + Resto, for example) I'll just have them shortcut to their 'end state' and see if anyone else has a response (like a Fog to buy us a turn).

If it's something that they CAN fuck up, I'm gonna make them finish it.

>>50248906
>breya is bad meme
Did you also sold your nahiris at 8 bucks?

>>50249424
Breya -is- bad. She's shitty removal or shitty burn or shitty lifegain. There's better sac outlets for an artifact deck, there's better removal for a WUB deck, there's better combo enablers. She's not actually good at anything, she's just shitty at five things.

Nahiri is also a shitty card and I don't fucking understand how it's the cornerstone of Modern. If you can tap out for a 4 mana permanent on turn 4 and nobody fucking interacts with it for 2 straight turns, you were already winning that game.

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>>50249399
>someone plays an infinite damage combo
>congratulate him and tell him he can leave the table and let the rest of the table to compete for 2nd place
>snicker at him behind his back as he willingly scoops up his cards and leaves
>slash his tires later

>>50249441
>Nahiri is also a shitty card
Yeahm that's why all RW decks on edh instapack her
You already showed us that you are bad at evaluating magic cards, now go play your geist of saint traft or narset edh and say how you easily beat anyone else.

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>>50249463
>slash his tires later

woooowoowoowowow we believe yoooou

>>50249463
>Playing dor 2nd place after you have been defeated
Is already a disgrace that you have lost, but it's worst that you can't accept the fact that your deck is shit

>>50246968
I'm pretty sure that for years Diabolic Intent was considered a trash rare and therefore cheap. Which is a shame, because the way *I* read the card to work, it not only costs the same as a Demonic Tutor mana-wise, but it doubles as a sacrifice outlet. And it's *great* in EDH.

>>50249472
>RW decks on edh instapack her
RW is the shittiest color combination in EDH. If they're raw RW, they're running her for the rummage engine because that's the best repeatable 'draw' they have access to.

If they're RWx and running her, they are either shitty decks, or a Naya deck that plans to play her after a Doubling Season and cheat out a Craterhoof or something.

She's a bad draw engine, bad removal, and a bad Sneak Attack.

>>50249493
Repeat it until you belive yourself

>>50249487
>he actually thinks he's "smart" for putting combos in his deck

its ok, once you grow up as a player and a human being, you'll understand why people don't play combo in EDH

>>50249552
Her +2 is a bad Merfolk Looter.

Her -2 is a bad Angelic Edict.

Her -6 is a bad Sneak Attack.

I honestly do not fucking understand how putting a bad version of 2 shitty cards, and a bad version of a good card, onto the second-easiest-to-kill permanent type, makes a good fucking card.

>>50249572
i'm not even that guy but her -8 is definitely not a bad sneak attack lmao

that -8 is basically "you win the game" for like any deck that is even somewhat optimized

>>50249607
Her -8 is "Cheat out the best creature in your deck, assuming that you have somehow kept this permanent untouched for 3 consecutive turns, and nobody has any kind of removal or way of stopping you from attacking, at all". She's basically only 'good' in a pure RW deck. A blue deck has better card advantage options and probably isn't gonna try winning via one big creature (I don't even know how viable "win with ONE specific creature" is in EDH multiplayer), a green deck has better card advantage and way better ways to tutor shit onto the board (and have it STAY), and black has better card advantage, better removal, and better ways to cheaply get big shit back via reanimation.

>>50249572
Not him but just how fucking dense are you? Are you just mad that you didn't get your playset before the spike or did you get your ass handed to you by the sitter of faces meme commander

>is bad sneak attack
Yeah grabbing blightsteel hasted is bad

>>50249631
If you're able to tap out for Nahiri on turn 4 and have nobody do so much as 1 fucking damage to her in the next 3 turns, you were already winning that game.

Also, wow, you managed to kill ONE person before Blightsteel went back to your hand and now you're in exactly the position you started. If you'd used Sneak Attack instead you could have killed someone on turn 5 instead of turn 7, and you still have your Sneak Attack for future fatties. Also, that plan doesn't get derailed by a fucking Prodigal Sorceror.

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>>50249650
>Why play jace the mind sculptor he is a brainstorm for 4 that dies to bolt!
>You can literally do the same for 1 mana and it does not dies to bolt!
>But wait, how much people pack bolt?
>And how much even uses Prodigal Sorceror
>Omg your gameplan dies to your oponent interacting
>So bad
Lol

>>50249687
Not remotely the same. Jace's +2 is good. His 0 is amazing. His -1 protects him very well. His ultimate is irrelevant, but backbreaking; every one of his first three abilities is good, generates good value, and makes it EASIER to protect him while he helps you win the game.

Nahiri has a shitty draw ability as a +2. It pretty much only exists to get her closer to her -8, so any amount of damage completely derails that plan. Her -2 is bad removal that moves her further from her ultimate, which is likely the ONLY reason you're playing her. All it takes is a single pinger to render her nothing but a 4 mana Rummaging Goblin. A single pinger might make it harder for you to Brainstorm indefinitely with Jace, but it doesn't basically blank 2/3s of the fucking card.

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>>50249567
Spoken like a true standardbaby
You really know how the game should be played!

>>50249718
Whatever you say retard, go back to flipping burgers

>>50249304
I've played breya eggs a few times on cockatrice. It's just eggs but I use aetherflux as a win con. Tried to combo off my entire deck and it took an hour, ended with 10,000 life.
Breya doesn't necessarily interact with the eggs loop. She just gives you access to good colors for eggs and she's a strong way to durdle the board until you assemble your combo.

>>50249718
>His +2 is amazing.
fatesealing is shit, that's the reason why lantern control is horrible
>His + 0 is bonkers
But in your christmasland when everybody has answers for everything, then that means that he is inmediatly dead, so you accomplished a brainstorm for 4 cmc. wew!

It can also be countered? why even bother to play that trash?

>>50249748
No, it's not christmasland.

I'm saying you ONLY EVER FUCKING PLAY NAHIRI for her ultimate. Her other abilities are dogshit, and only exist to get to her ultimate. If someone can do any amount of damage to her, can disrupt her at all, that plan is immediately dead, and she becomes worthless. If they couldn't disrupt her, you were already going to win that game.

Jace's abilities are value on their own. They don't require you to work towards his ultimate, so him taking some damage doesn't stop you from getting to Brainstorm 2 or 3 times before he dies.

>>50248771
dude, that was a thing called joke.

>>50249725
>be a retarded anon
>play vintage with other retards
>each game ends at turn 1 in the upkeep phase
>after 60 games go home and masturbate onto a piece of paper that reads "pay 1 mana: untap target artifact" and "tap this artifact: add 3 mana to your mana pool"

>>50249409
>>50249735
Thanks friends. It looks a little too durdly for me though, I'll stick to flicker and sacrifice combo for now

>>50249765
>You only ever play nahiri for ultimate

True for Jeskai Harbinger, not for Kiki Chord. Point still stands that you are a moron.

>>50249765
idk why you're even comparing nahiri to jace

that's like saying a thran dynamo is bad because sol ring is better

>>50249817
My point is, Nahiri is shitty at two things and okay at one thing, assuming you can keep anyone from doing anything to her for three turns.

If you're in a position where you can play her and protect her long enough to ult her, you probably already won.

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>>50249792
>Be a retard poorfag
>Be jealous of how i will never afford true fun
>Throw memes on korean board insulting others fun
>Go home and masturbate to my siege rhinos and shitty planeswalkers
>read cheap fanfiction that they sell as a "story"

>>50247549
>play Cryptolith Rite or the elf that makes all you guys Llanowar Elves
>give all your creatures haste
>why can't I hold all the tokens

You don't even need to a large board to start exploding so you can recover from wraths fairly quickly. Throw in Cloudstone Curio and go bananas

>>50248101
What are you smoking? Yidris has the best mana base out of any of them.

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>>50247336
4c decks are really fun!

>>50249835
first of all, protecting a planeswalker for 2 turns isn't that hard. assuming you have ANY blockers and/or removal, you can keep it somewhat safe unless your opponents have a direct answer to it (planeswalker removal isn't that prevalent, depending on your meta)

if you play her onto a board that has an explicit answer to it, that's not the card being bad, that's you being bad.

secondly, she's not a big spell. you don't really *need* her, and your opponents can't always afford to get rid of her. she's a 4 mana planeswalker. if she survives for 2 turns, great, you are in a really good shape now. if she dies, then whatever, it was a 4 mana spell. you can't expect every 4 mana spell to be a certain wincon.

the bad thing about her is that she's high risk high reward. but that's also a good thing in EDH. you want cards that are explosive if unchecked in EDH. slow and steady doesn't usually win in EDH.

Debating building a Krenko deck,
Is it worth it lads?

>>50246456
Nim Deathmantle + Krark-Clan Ironworks/Ashnod's Atlar

Eldrazi Displacer + Krark-Clan/Altar

Sydri + Aetherflux Reservoir

Sword of the Meek + Thopter Foundry + Krark-Clan/Altar

All the Altar combos work with Breya but also work with Myr Battlesphere, Marionette Master (which will also kill them), and Wurmcoil Engine for the best targets, but work with Pia and Kiran, Whirler Rogue, and Experimental Aviator for cheaper options. Combine with Blood Artist/Falkenrath Noble/Zulaport Cutthroat/Disciple of the Vault for the kill, or you'll at least get infinite tokens.

Breya's super strong though, basically an Esper artifact deck but you get red for Scrap Mastery, Daretti, and Goblin Welder.

>>50249950
the best part about owning a krenko deck is that you can say you own a krenko deck, automatically making you the coolest dude in your group

the only bad thing about krenko is that he's very linear and repetitive. so don't get him if it's your first or second deck. he's fun in small amounts, but not if you have to play him constantly.

also i don't think it's worth investing more than a 100 bucks in one because after that point every 10 bucks you spend is about a 1% power boost to the deck so keep that in mind

>>50249853
>""""poorfag""""

but combos are the poorfags' choice for competitive gaming. real men play expensive goodstuff

i just bought like 3 new dual lands with my dads credit card earlier this month so you can't really talk shit about me being poor anyway

>>50249997
It'd be my second, first was a mill Phenax
I can see how he'd be linear, any recommendations on a second commander build

>>50249970
Don forget disciple of the vault and bitter ordeal

>>50250017
>Anyone who voted for trump except my dad is dead to me

>>50250026
Spells.dec is a really fun archetype and it really gets your foot into a more competitive mindset. Like the more competitive your playgroup gets, the more and more creatures become a liability.

I play Melek storm and it's a lot of fun but not easy to pilot unless you already know storm, but just playing a control deck with <5 creatures and tons of spells feels good.

I built Child of Alara spellslinger and it was a ton of fun. Focused on casting big spells like Villainous Wealth as much as possible, usually ended up getting it to 50+ multiple times. I'd say start with Melek, he's versatile, flashy, and cheap to build.

>>50249997
Krenko is a giant snoozefest and is like "babies first competitive deck." All it does is try to combo and against casual playgroups it does fine but against any tuned deck it just gets shit on. Dies hard to removal, draws a lot of hate, runs basically no recursion or interaction, and it's just boring.

How have you guys found new Emracool to be? Is it any good in the 99 of most decks? Would you recommend it?

Also, who is your main commander?

>>50250026
honestly you should test him out on xmage. krenko is very binary in many regards. either you win at turn 5 or you lose at turn 5. either you love him or you hate him.

i think of a krenko deck as more of a collector's piece than anything else. most krenko decks are 90% similar so there's not much spicy secret involved either

this anon >>50250099 is basically saying the same thing as me, except he obviously doesn't like playing krenko-chan like i do. he does get old pretty fast unless you really like aggroing.

if you want to do goblins and/or mono-red in a way that is a bit more interesting, you can play zada. less tribal aggro/combo, more goofy secret tech and crazy wins. she's also pretty cheap

Reposting from old thread

This is what I threw together for that Myr deck, tested it in two games, currently 1/1.

Better than I expected honestly, tips and suggestions always welcome

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/15-11-16-myr-aggro/

>>50250133
New Emrakul is really good, almost obnoxiously so. Usually it's just a cast trigger that makes someone lose or worse and getting a 13/13 flying, trample, with protection is just icing.

I rotate a lot of decks but four decks I will never take apart are Melek, Lin Sivvi, Ixidor, and Phage.

>>50248330
Demonic Tutor is closer to $20+ if you get it in decent condition.

>>50247798
Sounds like you are now competing in an arms race.

Violence begets violence! Stop the violence!

>>50250197
It's definitely more than I thought it was, but $12 for a HP/MP card from unlimited edition isn't bad. A lot of times its just a matter of how old the card is.

>>50248621
Fuck that's a flavorful deck

>>50250197
you could get 100 near mint gray merchants for that same amount of money

>>50250300
I'd say the card itself is worth the price for the most part too. While I loathe buying cards more than $15, some of them are just too good to pass up on. It sucks that I prefer the newer art though.

>>50247798
Well if you play with the same group of people consistently it will naturally turn into an arms race. Everyone is always looking for a way to get one over on the playgroup and this usually means the group shifts to catch up. One person plays a graveyard centric deck, soon everyone keeps packing graveyard hate. One person starts playing a combo deck, soon more people start playing instant speed interaction. Next thing you know almost every deck is tuned to deal with tons of different scenarios and thus the power of your playgroup has gone up.

Unless your group sets restrictions on itself or has some unspoken law (like no combos, no MLD, etc), this is how every group goes. This is my current playgroup, everyone builds really tuned decks that play well with each other but end up crushing casual groups.

Also spending $10-$15 on a card isn't that bad, I personally enjoy EDH very much and I don't mind dropping a lot of money on better cards. I also own 3 completely foil to nearly foil decks, just invest slowly and upgrade as you go.

Is there a point in running shocks if I don't plan on shelling out cash for fetches? I feel like I can get there on buddy and painlands.

>>50250302
You can buy 100 billion wind drakes for that

>>50247798
Play 100% no fun mono r godo land destruction.

>>50250408
Having multiple land types is good for things that care about land types (High Tide, Emeria, the Sky Ruin, Valakut, etc) and being able to have an untapped land that taps for multiple colors early in the game is quite good.

Generally the painlands do end up costing you more life over the course of the game and they're only real upside is colorless mana for some of the Eldrazi who care about it (mainly Eldrazi Displacer and Kozilek 2.0).

I think good landbases are key to EDH and you should pick up lands where you can. SCG's sale right now has Overgrown Tomb and Hallowed Fountains for $5 a pop.

Someone suggest me something that doesn't focus on the graveyard at all. I tend to black decks with a lot black, so grave interactions are a given for me. I'd like to get some variety in my pool. Preferably something a little budget since this won't really be my main deck, which is where I prefer to put my money.

>>50250435
I have a playset of strands I'm not using, but it hurts my autism to just use 1 in a deck. I can probably afford 1 each of the other kahns fetches, but I'm not sure how good 5 fetches/6 shocks is. I'm trying to build K&T, so delta and mire only fetch 1 color each, and I definitely can't afford zen fetches.

>>50250449
New Kalitas or Erebos, toss in leyline of the void so you won't think about your graveyard ever again.

>>50250454
If you're playing a slower deck like K&T then I don't think you really need these shocks/fetches. Like to a point I'd almost prefer scrylands for that little bit of card filtering.

I get what you mean though, I can't build a five color deck because I'd want whole cycles of lands and I'm not investing into 10 shocks/duals/fetches.

Out of interest, I've been trying to build K&T but don't really know what to do with them, what are you building?

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>>50248565
He makes for a really fun 60 card deck, though.

Here's mine. My Omnath deck stared as a Vorinclex deck. You cast him once and get hated out immediately.

>>50250474
I'm going for group slug/arms dealer
Give your opponents resources, makes sure they can't attack you, and reward them for killing each other. Think gahiji + blue

>>50250449
*tend to make

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>>50249246
I like the Chain Veil/Planeswalker symbol. It's unique and simple. Alternatively, there's the Coalition insignia if you're an oldfag or maybe the Mask of Yagmoth or the phi sign of New Phyrexia. Or just pick a set symbol you really like.

>>50250467
Thanks for the suggestion. I'm thinking about trying to step away from black a little though. I don't want to make myself buy even more black staples.

>>50250586
I agree with this. I tend to like the simple look of the New Phyrexia insignia as well as Yawgmoth's mask. So one of those would be simple but cool.

>>50250586
>coalition flag
oh bruh that thing looks cool, thanks a ton!!

I call upon Vennivaraz!

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>>50249804
Oh it's definitely durdly. But the fun of iterative looping is making your opponents watch you wank on the table for twenty minutes.

>>50249970
While we're on the subject of nongreen combos, I've been brainstorming a sort of affinity storm deck for Akiri/Partner (probably Silas Renn) and I'm honestly not sure where to start. I've seen a couple Sidisi ANT lists that is sort of what I'm driving from, one that goes all in on 0 drop artifacts, but I don't know how much is enough or what other combos I should be doing (I could play Paradoxical Outcome to extend combos, or play Aetherflux Reservoir, or maybe play second sunrise combo, or if I should be playing actual Affinity pieces like affinity cards or Ravager). There's just so much and I don't know enough about the game to know what's good and whats shit. I got really excited by this idea since Akiri naturally has synergy with that type of combo deck and I really want to like Akiri, but I don't know if it's good enough. I think it'd build into a slightly different combo deck than Breya who feels more eggs-y but I just don't know where to go.

>>50249866
I really like this idea. Been looking for a Gruul commander to build a synergies deck.

Wondering if people have suggestions for getting value out of crappy tokens in GR?

>>50250629
Happy to help! Post pics when you're done!

>goldfishing this Yisan deck
>can sometimes cast Behemoth turn 5-6, while having artifact removal

I'm a bit scared of the fine-tuned decks, mine's the budget version with a few good things in the middle.

>>50250889
Yisan is pretty easy to tune as far as I know because of just how absurdly consistent it is to get to your good cards. A friend of mine does Sylvan Safekeeper into Revoker almost every game in 1v1 and that can be backbreaking even by itself.

>>50249572
Its the flexibility mate, like charms/confluences.

>>50250902
My meta is really warped towards stax and combo, I feel almost every combination, whether I disrupt my enemies or generate a great amount of mana, can be extremely dangerous. And I can choose whatever I want during for my Yisan chain. going full disruptive with a single good mana dork like priest/archdruid/acolyte would be the best, I believe. I kinda want to buy the stax pieces for it now.

>>50247336
Magus of the tabernacle, magus of the moat, nether void, the abyss? Smokestack of course.

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Yidrisfags, how does this card play out for you? I feel like it would just paint you as a target if you used it on two other players

>double sleeved my deck for the first time
>tfw

Just how the fuck am I supposed to shuffle this, fuck.

>>50246490
>not wanting to play literally the same deck as sharuum + daretti

top pleb spotted

>>50251095
let the air out first by continuously "compressing" it

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/15-11-16-tasigur-commander/

Here it is, folks. I need to relook at the mana but any advice is appreciated. Nothing is actually off limits for me so go ahead and suggest whatever you think is best. Kind of want to keep it at the 70% or so theory, which is why Dark Petition over Demonic Tutor.

>>50246991
>Nature's Lore

Think again, there is maybe a hand full of spells that can do that in mono green...

>>50250854
Beast master Ascension and Goblin Bombardment are usually all you need. Triumph of the Horde, Craterhoof, and Decimator of Provinces are also worth it.

>>50251364
Forgot Burn at the Stake

Post Atraxa lists?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/atraxa-sf/

>>50248854
Only in a single instance though, which was already cleared

A few questions

Say I swing with Yidris and he goes through. Main Phase 2 I play this, and draw a new hand Would any spell I play after that have Cascade still?

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>>50251562
Forgot the image, of course.

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Thoughts on this card?

>>50251590
My thought is that you should just play mindslicer.

>>50251590
God, Kamigawa has great art. I wish that Myojin were viable as commanders, but they're really only useful if you can reliably get them into your hand to cast them from there. Where did you get such a clean image of it?

Xth for Atraxa is just this year's Meren and everyone hates you

>>50251676
I'm just gonna come right out and say Atraxa isn't even that good outside of some sort of goodstuff deck with MAYBE a slight planeswalker leaning and maybe a few more of the best counter cards. Proliferate at end of turn is such a shit build around on a 4 color 4 drop. People are goign crazy of counter decks and ifnect and shit and all these crazy things you can do with her when she probably really isn't any good at it. I'd say you'd build around her as much as good Anafenza decks build around her which is not much at all, or Doran. It's really just an Abzan Blue deck.

>>50251590
i would put in contagion engine/clasp and the two black poliferate spells to keep hands empty with plenty of put in hand recursion. i dont know of any artifacts in color that bounce but that would be even better.

>>50251676
And, as usual, people will still play what they have fun with. Also, the 2016 are pretty well balanced against each other. Atraxa is pretty even with the others.

>>50251715
No. It's a Simic deck first and foremost, as are all U/G/x lists.

>>50251753
You're right

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Does Relentless Rats bypass the only one of each nonbasic land card rule in EDH?

>>50251777
Yes. If a rule would seem to conflict with what's printed on the card comma the cards text usually trumps

>>50251562
>>50251580
cascade resolves before the effect on the card. when you cast the great aurora it will cascade into another spell, then that spell would resolve and then the great aurora

>>50251753
Sidisi begs to differ. Blue is more of a splash color for me for things like Wonder.

>>50251804
No, I'm asking what happens AFTER The Great Aurora resolves and I put all my lands out. Would anything I cast after that have Cascade even though Yidris left the field? Would casting Yidris again cause Cascade to trigger that turn?

>>50251651
That discards your hand as well. My plan is to have a hand while all my opponents are topdecking.
>>50251673
Card Kingdom

Lads, if a card already has a tap ability and another cards adds a tap ability are both abilities used at once when tapping?
Say tree of peridition and having phenax

>>50251854
You know there's a number of ways to draw multiple cards a turn in black using on board effects, at least four of which are very good cards off the top of my head right? And that's only in black.

>>50251844
im no judge but

>Would anything I cast after that have Cascade even though Yidris left the field?

I dont see why not. Yidris' effect is triggered and states "this turn" so I'd think they all gain cascade as long as its your turn

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>>50250831
I'm planning to build akiri too. I'm thinking that I'm going to partner her with the kruphix lady to get access to blue support. The green will give me cards like doubling season and second harvest to double the amount of artifact creature tokens. I'm going to put huge draw spells and untap spells to continuously untap kruphix lady for that huge mana. Throw in equips and other shit for good measure.
Shit is going to be hilarious

>>50251895
You're right. I'll have to reconsider.

>>50251777
yes.

>>50251095
The air eventually comes out. My deck is starting to flatten out after around a month.

>>50251893
no because tapping is a form of payment. you cant tap a creature twice unless they become untapped.

>>50252299
so when tapping im guessing you'd state which ability you'd be tapping for?

>>50252381
Correct

>>50252007
That sounds a little gimmicky for me though Kydele is a lot stronger. Also I guess the 0 drop artifact thing is pretty gimmicky too but I was under the impression that that was already an existing sort of glass cannon variant Sidisi that existed, and Akiri actually cares about having lots of cheap artifacts so there's a little more synergy with that strategy. I just can't find consistent lists with explanations and shit to figure out how to do so this.

I actually thought Akiri was really shit but knowing that people have tossed around a 0 drop artifact storm deck and her being basically a cranial plating made me want to give her a shot. It's just tough to figure out the best way to do it.

>>50249071
Stop chewing your fucking fingers man

Besides necropotence and phyrexian arena, what are other good enchantments to draw cards in black?

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>>50251777
>Relentless Rats
>Not using Shadowborne Apostle with Atheros, God of Passage

>>50253047
yawgmoth's bargain, erebos, underworld connections, greed, that 3 drop dark confidant i forget the name of

What are some wincons to throw in Gaymen?

I'm mostly playing for 2nd place but if someone's too incompetent to finish the job I'd like to make them feel bad about.

Looking for unassuming wincons that mesh with hugs (like mill--forced fruition) as well as once-its-resolved-it's-too-late wincons (like Tooth and Nail)

Preferably nothing that'll break the bank.

Any ideas?

>>50253178
>playing for 2nd place
why not play to actually win instead of king making

>>50251562
Yes it gives any spell cast from your hand for the rest of the turn cascsfe, not the cards that were in your hand when the trigger resolved.

>>50253089
Bargain is banned.

>>50253262
>king making
Good one anon, what part of GROUP hug is not registering correctly?

>>50253402
The part where you actively try for second place instead of first

>>50253546
>actively
Wot
Are you intentionally being retarded?

Playing for 2nd is just a phrase. Group Hug decks are intrinsically less viable for winning than other decks--it would be silly to play for first and be upset when you lose. However, if I get anything less than 2nd it most likely means that I'm making myself look threatening--the opposite of what group hug wants to do, otherwise I would have been kept around for my buffs.

Going for 2nd means I'm going for "most helpful", not going for "someone else to be 1st"

>actively
I would have chuckled if I wasn't in public

>>50253654
>I'm mostly playing for second place
>gets upset when someone asks says they are playing for second place

>>50248330
>Spending $10 on a piece of cardboard.
>Claiming $10 for a piece of cardboard is cheap.

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What are some legendary creatures you will always love?

>>50254368
Geth is bae.

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>>50246213
Hugest of commanders

>>50253089
>that 3 drop dark confidant
Dark Tutelage
Be careful with that, it's a lot more annoying to get rid of than Confidant if it starts to get too painful

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>>50254368

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>>50254368

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>>50254368
Probably one of the most versatile commanders I've ever used.

Wish the return ability was instant and not at the end of turn tho.

>>50253654
If you get second place you're by definition not in first place.I have no idea what the fuck you're trying to do. You made it sound like you only want to win if they're doing poorly and "finish the job" but that's always the fucking case.

>>50253047
Erebos, Greed, Underworld Connections

>>50254732
Calm down, friend, it's ok.

>>50250408
Forest shocks are nice with Wood Elves, Nature's Lore, etc.

>>50254793
>profanity = mad
Welcome to 4chan, newfriend.

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>>50254368
I even stopped using her as a commander and even stopped tutoring her directly since she was too stronk on my meta, but she will be my black waifu always.

>>50254818
If you're arguing on 4chan at all, you're mad. It's okay to blow off some steam anon, but remember: you've wasted countless hours and currency compiling sequences of cardboard objects. All is lost for you. Minds as welp help others, since you don't want to be Angry Guy as well as That Guy

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>>50254881
delete this

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>>50254899
But you two can get along!

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>>50254932
Yeah, we can get along. As long as you believe the same things I believe.

>>50254967
This art always gives me the creeps. The way the Mirrans dissolved looks like they became hunks of dead skin, eroding in the wind.

>>50254967
t. whitefag

>>50253178
Possibility storm + curse of exhaustion if it comes to 1v1.

>>50254967
An accurate description of what happens when Elesh enters the battlefield with weenies on the other side.

>>50255027
DUDE

>>50255027
*Depiction

>>50252737
It is. I can't wait to try it out. I don't even know if it'll work.

Dang so do you combo Thromok with Army of the Dead? That's what I'd do.

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>>50253654
There's a handful of autists here that sperg out whenever group hug or chaos decks get mentioned.

>>50255120
is this your first day playing EDH?

>>50255152
essentially lol. Just bought one of the new decks, was kinda disinterested with the format before.

>>50255147
Why would I durdle around for an hour only to be someone's cheerleader? This isn't summer camp.

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Alright, so I just bought my first EDH Preconstructed Deck, the Saskia one. I've never played EDH before, what are the first things I should add/remove?

>>50255166
you should probably start here
http://mtgcommander.net/rules.php

>>50255206
remove the bad cards and add good cards

>>50255206
Just play it out of the box first. Since this is your first time playing EDH, it would be better to get gameplay experience to know which are deadweights and which are better to replace it with.

>>50255213
I think one of the C16 decks comes with Army and Thromok and they were just commenting on that

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How do you deal with a normally strong player falling behind? Do you go easy on them and let the player ramp out of nowhere later and take the win? Or do you "snap the neck" early to make sure he isn't a threat later?

Gif related

>>50255273
I am of the opinion that you should always work to win. It makes sense to not kick someone when they're down so you can save your removal for people who are actual threats. That being said, I wouldn't hesitate to kick that player back down once they start working back into threat territory.

May lead to a case of the feelbads but I think games are most enjoyable when everyone is actually playing to win, finely tuned decks win fast but that just lets you play more games.

>>50255206
Play it a couple times and you'll begin to get an idea of what you like from it and what you want to see more of.

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>>50255205
>don't play strategies i don't like
It's funny seeing you retards sperg out whenever group hug and chaos decks get mentioned. I don't give a shit what kind of strategies and decks people use cause i play for fun.

>>50255379
You can play group hug or chaos, just don't "play for second."

>>50255213
>http://mtgcommander.net/rules.php
lol thanks bruh I forgot to look at Thromok's colors

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Posting one of the Biggest Commanders (Pauper)

>>50251057
A lot of times I'm just board-clearing the opponent, so I might target myself when I have all lands and no permanents out. Cruel Entertainment indeed. The Yidrisfag has spoken.

>>50254881
Is that giant mouth her vagina?

>>50255206
Why in the flying fuck did they make her a soldier?
They're really retarded.

>Tfw my playgroup is small and one player only plays with one deck every week
A boring and sad playgroup but I don't know any other players.

Not really sure what I want my Yidris win con to be. I'm sure extra combat phases and storm is quite strong, but what's the most dangerous final punch?

I already play another tron deck, so I don't want to tron him out, any suggestions?

>>50248621
Zo-Zu the Punisher in EDH will get you killed, may as well wear a t-shirt with a bullseye on it

>>50255601
The fact she isn't a warrior really pisses me off.

>>50255688
Yah, same. It's such a dumb mistake.
It's make no sense, she has all the colors for the tribe, her art and abilities correspond way more to a warrior.
I know we had white and red soldiers in the past, but black or green? Surely there must have been some exception, but for fuck sake...

>>50253086
>a battlefield full of 30/30s versus a bunch of a 1/1s with oke or two fat demons.

>>50255601
>things players have asked for that Wizards failed to deliver
>Ludevic
>a spider legend
>a werewolf legend
>a UR artificer legend
>a WR legend that doesn't revolve around combat damage
>playable warrior or samurai tribal

the lesson here is don't ask Wizards for anything because they are colossally incompetent.

>>50255744
You don't win through the demons, you win using effects like athreos ability, grave pact, blood artist and shit like that.
Demons are just a bonus.

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>>50255744
>Impliying you won a game by combat

Is it possible to play the meletis precon in a way that lets you appear nonthreatening but still be able to put up enough of a fight to win in the end? None of the other decks really appeal to me, but I don't want to pick a deck that's only good for boosting another player.

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>>50255759
"We heard you wanted X so we gave you Y but don't worry, it'll have an overdesigned digital art and a magic story with lesbians shenanigans in it. Stay tuned!"
-Mark Rosewater

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>>50255430
I don't play for second. I don't even care if i win or lose. I just like blowing up the field or do a combo. If i get stopped, oh well. If i win, nice.

>>50255804
>"We heard you wanted X so we gave you Y but don't worry, it'll have mechanics that have no relation to the card's lore and a tribal effect that has no impact on its tribe. Stay tuned!"
>-Mark Rosewater

FTFY

>>50255814
I will never see eye to eye with you on that.

I'm all for combos and chaos, but I need someway of coming out on top. What you're saying sounds no different than playing solitaire.

>>50255771
Out of the box? Not especially, there isn't many wincons (and really no solid ones) included in it.
If you want to alter it a bit, consider adding effects that win the game out of nowhere (Insurrection, Wipe + Rise of the Dark Realms, Repercussion + Blasphemous Act etc). You can spend your time digging for these while throwing up your pillow fort effects and answering your opponent's wincons.

>>50255732
It really could just go either way. I don't recall many warriors with vigilance but I know plenty of soldiers with haste. Her damage ability has never been seen in either tribe, only in that one hydra and maybe once or twice otherwise. She has the proper colours for either. Most importantly they seem coordinated even if they're savage, which speaks more to soldiers.

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>Own cool cards
>Play with them
>Poverty Monsters at LGS rage because my decks cost too much

>>50255814
I want to group hug Clementine.

>>50255982

How big of a group?

>>50255917
>"We heard you wanted X so we gave you Y but don't worry, it's out of color, overcosted, and actually winds up benefiting the going meta champ. Stay tuned!"
>-Mark Rosewater

>>50255957
>consider adding a black wincon in the non-black deck

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>>50255991

>Not wanting to BLACK MtG's first gay couple

Ugh I literally can't even I am shaking with rage right now

>>50255991
hurr, I'm retarded, but I just love it so much.

>>50255967
Listen anon, I get that you like your cards. It just hurts when you stomp on my dick with entwined tooth and nail into a Vorinclex and an eldrazi titan.

The game is not competitive if your card quality too far outstrips your opponent's, and as it so happens, a lot of good cards cost big money. This is potentially an insurmountable barrier to playing a fair game with you.

>>50256034
star-spots of psychosis shine in its eyes

>>50255668
Mill

>>50255967
Taking this absurd, casual format this seriously looks ridiculous and if you insist on spending too much money on this game, spend it on a genuinely competitive format.

>>50255767
[spolier]I play 1v1 commander[spoiler/]

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>>50256071

But I just janky decks like Braids Seamonsters and Intet Dragons.

They don't complain about powerful cards, they complain about expensive ones like duals, or show and tell.

>>50256107

>Implying spending money on your hobby is absurd.

>>50256107
>got crater-hoof when it was two dollars
>few years later its 20
>now i'm a tryhard

>>50256126
>They don't complain about powerful cards
>they complain about duals

uhh

>>50256107
Wrath of god, A-okay, but that damnation?
Its more than three dollars, this is a casual format you piece of shit!

>>50256151

Having dual lands in EDH is a tiny advantage over a lot of budget options. Unless you are playing in a t3-t4 meta it really won't matter most of the time.

>>50256137
Depends on how much money. Likely the amount you spend is, yes, ridiculous, particularly since this particular format is competitively garbage.

>>50256184

>baiting this hard on a Korean kim chi crafting subreddit

>>50256204
I'm assuming from your evasiveness that it is a lot of money. Just take the heat or get out of the kitchen. If you want to be a nerd that spends too much money on this silly format, then stop sulking that people see you as such.

>>50255771
>focus on rg with a wb splash
>ramp like a motherfucker and pillowfort
>but also help others ramp, so its cool
>counter and fog only big game finishers
>play thre vaulakut night combo and ramp moar or ground assault

i mean its four colors, and i seen a deck build on mtg goldfish that just pillowforts and forces opponents to attack each other.

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>>50256261

I spend probably $50 a month these days. I've just been playing since Legends, so i have a lot of old expensive stuff that I picked up for pennies back in the day. But even if I spend $1,000 s month on cards, if I can afford it then who cares? Honestly you just sound like a bitter shitter who can't stand that other people can afford nice things.

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>>50255918
Don't you talk about random shit while playing? Crack jokes and all that? Cause that's what i do. People play cutthroat here and that's my response to the meta. Besides, i play to spend time with friends. I don't mind if i get booted out first cause I'm a threat to the table. I know that and encourage them to kick me out before i start playing solitaire.
>won't see me eye to eye
Oh well

>>50256179
What would be the budget alternative to having 10 fetch lands, 6 shock lands and 6 ABU duals with one of the precon commanders?

>>50256312
I get your point but consider them's too.
That's like dueling a tank with a fleuret.

>>50256322
Pain lands, checklands, fastlands and double checklands. For super budget refuges and the tarkir version of refuges.

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>>50256107
>spending too much money
>Chinamen duals for 2,5 usd each one

>>50256322

Shocks are pretty budget already, as are a good chunk of the fetchlands. For the duals, just use the shitty comes into play tapped lands that have the basic land types, and some trilands or something? Maybe Evolving Wilds or something depending on how many basics you run?

It really depends on the deck.

>>50256350

But cost doesn't always equal power. I can play Scalding Tarn, go fetch a beta Island, to cast a foil Show and Tell and drop Tromokratis. That costs a lot of money, but isn't particularly powerful.

>>50256322
see >>50256373

>>50256322
I think that temples are decent, as are painlands, checklands and fastlands, which are all pretty cheap aside from few of em. Shocks aren't really all that expensive either.

>>50256312
No, your friends are scrubs who should be able to beat worse or worse-piloted decks even if they have expensive cards in them. In fact that's kind of my point: high value cards aren't at all necessary in this format and I'm tired of people sulking on /edh/ about how they're treated when they hide behind value.

That you've always had these cards is all well and good, though I've heard that excuse a lot and you'll typically only walk away from all that with maybe a few chase cards.

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>>50256444

So you're tired of people who get annoyed that other people act like assholes over something that doesn't matter?

>>50256474
You've phrased it in a way that flatters yourself, but yes, I'm tired of people whining about age-old spending feuds. If you spend a fuckton of money on this game and people call you a no-life tryhard, deal with it. If you have those cards just from playing all these years, tell them that and move on.

>>50256518

Maybe I should just start making fun of them for being poor, and tell them to get decent jobs. Then when they rightfully complain that I am begin a massive cunt I can summon a smug sense of being above it all and tell them to just deal with it and move on.

>>50256518
Well I'm tired of people who bitch about people that bitch about age old spending feuds.
Best to stop the problem at the source really though, then we would all be happier.

>>50256438
why would you play fastlands when they come in tapped 99% of the time?

>>50256574
Sure, just make sure they're actually limited by poverty and not simply by the low cost-demand of the format, otherwise you'll not only look butthurt but ignorant. Or you could do the opposite of what you're doing now and not give a fuck.

Is Leovold's current pricetag due to people using him that much, or people clamoring to ban him as a commander?

>>50256138
It's extra counter-intuitive when stuff like Craterhoof is so high solely because of EDH. Unless some deck I'm not familiar with uses it.

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>>50255767
>not winning all of your games through combat

>>50256708

Non poorfags don't whine about other people spending money, it's just disgusting neets and mcjobbing retards who do.

>>50255967
Can't wait to have everyone bitch at me when I break out the Slobad deck I've been assembling slowly while budgeting properly

>>50256921
Not him but the one on my kitchen table who gets the most annoyed at budget creep in our group is an actual doctor, he just hates even the remotest idea of pay-to-win. Not everyone who has money likes the idea of spending a lot of it on this game.

>>50257228

>not him

why are samefags so transparent, kill yoursefl kid lmap

>>50256851
Legacy Elves, possibly modern too

>>50257344
>>50257344
>>50257344
>>50257344
New thread, migrate at your leisure.

holy fuck i just played with the yidris precon for the first time. why did no one tell me that once it goes off it just shits spells on fools. i played half of my deck on turn 7

>>50257296
I'm "him", none of my buds whine about budget, but at the same time none of us are limited by our incomes, just by our not wanting to play singleton Legacy.

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>>50257356
>cipher on yidris

its all ogre now

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>>50257546
What's the combo here? It only gives cascade to spells cast from hand.

>>50257615
oh right, only the initial one would have cascade. but it would be great still if you had cards in deck that worked with casting like storm, mizzix, and tarland.

>>50249071
when?

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This guy, right here...