Horus Heresy General /hhg/

Do the FW Volkite Chargers fit on plastic Cataphractii? I want some Lerneans.

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I can't decide on my Legion
This is annoying as fuck

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>>50195697
Anon, there's a chart to help you and spare this bread of pointless suggestions. What's your play style, and which legion interests you?

>>50195697
Well, what sort of stuff do you like? Tough infantry, going fast, massed vehicles, shooting, assault, what?

>>50195692
They should, it is a power-armoured hand obviously, but it should fit the Cataphractii just fine.

>>50195697
Then you must pick Imperial Fists.

>>50195704
Do Imperial Fists Seekers have BS 6 then?

>>50195712
>>50195719
>>50195760
I love glass cannon armies, but i figured i'll leave that for Eldar in 30k/40k rather than Marines

If i think on it i like:
>I'd rather be durable than fast
>I'd rather hit hard overall rather than fancy combos
>I'd rather be fluffy and have a selection of units rather than spamming an "i win" unit

Rolled 6 (1d20)

>>50195697
Just roll a bone

>>50195777
Oh also that i don't want to play the "everyone and their mother" army

>>50195777
Trips of Imperial Fist

>>50195777
>>I'd rather be durable than fast
>>50195800
I got two for you. Iron Hands or Salamanders.

>>50195572
>>50195584
Repostan because I think it got lost in the thread transfer.
So. 20 thralls, expanding to 40 when I make my army bigger, a Thanatar, 4 Castellax with 2 darkfire for AT, 2 Mauler cannon and melee gear for anti-infantry.
6 Thallax come with the bundle, so maybe Icarian on 1 or 2 groups for AA if desired?
Add 2 Phospex medusas with Reductor allies, repaired by the Reductor magos in an Auxilia unit and that should be decent at 2k, right?

Anything I missed? Might want to grab a Vulturax eventually, but that has most anything I want in a starting list.

>>50195777
Death Guard

>>50195810
How popular are they? I'm not against rolling with Dorn

>>50195814
Honestly never thought of IH, my mate is already Salamanders

How are the legions like DG or IW? I keep hearing that AL are both popular and not at the same time

Is there a HH tactics resource somewhere? Pretty new to it and I'm noticing it plays a lot differently to 40k.

I know about 1d4chan but it doesnt give a lot of info about actually playing the game.

>>50195884
>are they popular like DG and IW
No. You can count the number of Sallies and Hands we have here on your hands. I wish I was joking. Now rip off your hands and put metal hands on those stumps.

>>50195884
AL are the most popular because they are the best.

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You know what to do.

>>50195884
>How are the legions like DG or IW?
They are WW1 in Spess, you can't get more trenche warfare than that, and the DG is strong against what the IH isn't, and vice versa. And damn are the Iron Warriors shell shocked or what.
Also, AL are popular because they are flexibility and backstabbing incarnate, and you can pull some mindgames and steal legion specifics and sabotage & troll your enemy to no end...But their own legion specifics are kind of outdated right now, surpassed by Vets.
>>50195908
Yeah, I guess we need more diversity for the sake of diversity, huhh. Maybe this general is too IVth to your taste? Just let the guy play what he wants.

>>50195777
>>I'd rather be durable than fast
Any legion, depends how you build them.
>>I'd rather hit hard overall rather than fancy combos
Any legion, depends how you build them.
>>I'd rather be fluffy and have a selection of units rather than spamming an "i win" unit
Any legion, depends how you build them.

>>50195777
Iron Warriors.

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>>50195966

>>50196026
He doesn't want to play an army everyone and their mother plays as said >>50195800

>>50196069
IH 3++ Praetors and Sallie 3++ EWs beat I7 ECs
DG 3+/5+++ FnP(4+) are more resilient than "I literally cannot sit still" WS

So no, I don't quite agree with you.

>>50196098
The Devil is not mocked.

>>50195777
refer to >>50196069 for most friendly games

Pick an army that you like :
The fluff
How they look
The community around them

And if you get all three, or even just two, you should be satisfied with your choice.
I look forward to seeing who you choose and why

>>50196125
Do not deny (Your) mother's army, anooon! She plays Iron Warriors, and she'll decimate your ass! 1/10th of your buttcheeks gone! Not injured, just gone!

>>50196168
>The community around them
Pffff what? What does that even mean? Be your own dude, anon! We may suggest things, but the decision is yours after all.
>And if you get all three, or even just two, you should be satisfied with your choice.
This bit I agree with, though.

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Thanks for the help anons, i'll definately have a hard think tonight/weekend

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Here is my attempt at Sons of Horus. I think the green most seem to do is lazy and wrong. Still very WIP!

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>>50196208

Front. As you see, WIP as hell.

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>>50196208
It think you need to move it more into the blue honestly.

>>50196208
what color did you use?

>>50195846
>Icarian
Never take icarian, your guns have pretty shit range and you want them to be able to score since even with thralls its best to have more scoring whenever possible. Take a jet instead

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>>50196022

>>50196235
OK, so either a Vulturax or Lightning Strike Fighter. Leaning towards the Vulturax as I can cybertheurgy it and it can start on the board, as well as being hard as nails.

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>>50196177
I'm not sure how to respond to that so take this Russian tonk graveyard.

>>50196198
I think he means the dozens of cringe inducing Facebook pages surrounding the Yiffs.

>>50196250
That's Tough allright. Man I want Crysos Morturg "Blackshield Formerly of the DG" to have his own Blackshield rules. It'll be Rad grenades: the army list.
>>50196284
Offering accepted - your buttcheeks remain un-decimated.

>>50196297
Oh, I see. Well, it's up to him whether he follows the herd or stands on his own. The Vlka Fenryka want to be seen as technovikings rather than furries, right?

>>50196297
Bingo

>>50196347
It's not even the furry thing, it's they get all weird with the old norse languages, and call people young pup, old wolf, shit like that.
Like goddamn, it's a tabletop game, don't RP so hard over your 'pro painted' ebay miniatures.

The good thing is as far as I know, the Wolves are the only chapter/legion/faction that have people like this. I have yet to hear of an Eldar community who calls old people Nearsears and new people Warp-spiderlings.

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>>50196250

>>50196198
>replying to the muh ancestor 4 box yiff fat racist

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Okay, here's my take for Headhunters.

We keep them mostly the same, give the pistols Banestrike, let them take 2 heavy bolters, and give them PE (Infantry) and Scout. Maybe drop them down to 20 ppm.

Then, in light of the fact that Sniper Vets aren't breaking the game we completely do away with the range reductions for banestrike across the board.

>>50196405
He's Tougher by the second!
Do one of the IWs anon. Plaz
>>50196391
Overwolfing is the same as furrying to me. Nordic stuff I have no problem with.
>>50196413
Eh, I respond to comments, not to people. Unless they are annoying, then it's a people's issue.

>>50196422
I think if we just gave them the abolity ro get precisions shots on a 5 or even 4 up, or just made it so you couldn't look out sir them, then they would have a real place as the anti-character head hunter squad as opposed to seekers who are used to fuck up a particular unit.

>>50193737
>>50193813
Do note, though, that those legs are modeled to fit the marine bikes. The Outrider kit uses the scout bike, which required a slightly different pose to fit. The feet, for example, are at a different angle.

If you're going to get 3rd party legs, you likely need to convert them, the bike or use GW bikes instead.

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>>50196438

After all this time, I still don't know whether I like running 20 man blobs, 15 man-pseudo blobs or 10 dudes in Rhinos

What is the general consensus here on the mandatory, yet impossible to decide upon vanilla tac squad?

Blob dudes requires 55 points of Apothecary, and a lot of luck, cover and grit to stay alive but can shit shit up with POTL, 10 dudes are safer for a while, and all but useless if the Rhino dies before time

>>50196413
Wait hold a sec he's racist? I thought he was simply a resentful ex-fat dude that couldn't deal with the present...oh. Blame is on me for treating him like a person, I guess.
>>50196422
Also get Banestrike to ignore power armour on a 5+ and give Power Daggers Murderous Strike.
>>50196478
We're reaching unheard of Toughness levels! Is he tougher than a Reductor, though?

>>50196231
1. Black undercoat
2. Spray Mechanicus standard grey over the miniature.
3. USMC from Panzer ace Vallejo and Basalt Grey Game color. That can be switched with Eshin grey I noticed.
It is 2:1 ratio green/grey

Will try using a leadbealcher coat instead of Mechanicus in order to try getting a more metallic look.

>>50196225

The green you have is more like most people seem to do. Kabalite green + Sybarite and then it is just, green and not the pale sea green from old.

That is just the base colour though. Thinking of putting a lighter layer and a highlight but don't know which colour to use.

>>50196505
>give Power Daggers Murderous Strike
I dont get this at all, enough rending wounds with precision strikes ought to do the same thing with killing characters. Simply instant death makes me a sad thallax

>>50196526
Hmm your reasoning is sound. Ok then, I guess Rending does represent a backstabbing attack.

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>>50196526
To add to this, giving a named special character's unique weapon to a load of normal dudes is fucking stupid.

>>50196669
I rather think his weapon is stupid. Going to war armed with a scalpel?

>>50196733
He's a mad doctor, let him use his scalpel with his freaky astartes physiology

>>50196766
Yeah, I guess. I mean, the NL think he's way too insane even for them, that should tell us something, right?

Is Ordinatus worth its price?

>>50196800

>>50195162

>>50196766
Adding on to that, you know what? Every 30k doctor seems to be mad! The SA one, Mawdrym, hell Surlak learned his stuff from Bile himself. Is 30k's hippocratic oath "first do be mad" or something?
>>50196800
Ullator hell yeah, Saggitar meh, it's more resilient than a Warhound, but the Titan has double the D

>>50196800
approximately half of any models under the Ulator's line of fire will die with every shot.
If you can line it up right it's insane.

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>>50196733
>Going to war armed with a scalpel?

It's a poor craftsman who blames his tools.

>>50196825
You have to be a little mad to be a doctor or a medic and run head first into battle.

>>50196866
I don't even know what that thing is, anon. My weapons are just for show: I'm a member of the Church of the Holy Crater.
Your enemies will get shell shocked and pinned, but only if (You) say
"Walk the Path of Explosions with me"

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>>50196920
Try pressing that button without your spleen.

>>50196733
>Scalpel
>Long-bladed knife
It's less going to war armed with a scalpel and more performing surgery with a Bowie knife.

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>>50196980
Pfff anon. That trickster 40k SW has an implanted Vortex grenade for a heart, and Satarael exploded instead of dying, you think I need to press anything? What do you think my spleen is in the first place?

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>>50196022

Going for Sons of Horus on Davin, does anyone make 32mm swamp bases?

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>>50197071 forgot pic

>>50197083

nice sea green.

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California housing prices amirite

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>>50197071
Secret Weapon does.
http://www.secretweaponminiatures.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=79_2_134&products_id=752&zenid=87e2da802d991ed0427155c98f63170a

>>50197143
Needs more yellow.

>>50197143
still better terrain then that fulgrim dungeon was

I'm stuck between 2 Irons
>Iron Hands
+ Not commonly played
+ Good Vehicles buffs
+ Inviolate Armour

- Shit Primarch
- Cookie cutter

>Iron Warriors
+ Aesthetic Scheme
+ Perty
+ Fluff
+ Units like Havocs/Tyrants

- Super common
- Legion rules are meh/situational

Alpha Legion are an alternative too i suppose

>>50197258
>Alpha Legion are an alternative too
+ Aesthetic Scheme
+ Alpharius
+ Fluff
+ Units like Havocs/Tyrants

- Super common
- Meme Legion

>>50197258
>- Shit Primarch
Shit taste detected.

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>>50197236
Really like the terrain at this store

>>50197296
>gets btfo in his own forge
>then fucking dies due to not following tactics 101
FM left the IHs following the total opposite of what he attempted to teach them

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>>50196022

>>50197298
there's got to be a joke to this, I love the Black of your knight, but could you at least vary the washes you use on the metal

>>50197289
I already have a AL list drawn up too
But being just another AL player is kinda dull

Children of Sicarus link?

>>50197143
Those are some fancy iron warriors, always with their favorite red rug under their feet.

>>50197143
Kek. I guess they can barely afford cover?

>>50197350
Part of the reason I wanted to play a game today was to pick up storm host silver to edge highlight the metal on him. So thanks for reminding me.

>>50197159
Thank you sir

>>50197326
My fucking sides.
>>50197258
Cookie cutter? Also, (You) accepted Perty in your heart, that's more than what the regular loyalist IW is capable of. You're an Iron Warrior within your bitter heart.

>>50197429
Before i fully pledge myself to the IVth, can anyone give me an overview on what the RG are like?
I used to play DE in 5th and 6th of 40k and wonder if they play similar to the "Hit hard n fast or Die hard n fast" style of play

>>50197298
That Knight of yours is now called Knightismund and (You) cannt argue to the contrary. So says the Trinity of Arachnidkind, Citrics and Craters.

>>50197326
Kek

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>>50197462
And this has been set in stone! So sayeth the High Priest of Spiidesh!

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What does everyone think? Is the helmet passable as a mkV variant? I think it works, but I might switch it out for an actual mkV helmet, or possibly a mkVI. C&C welcome

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>>50197585
I used helmets with the two lugs on either side of the grill. I always found it to fit the style of the helmets, be it the proper FW MkV or those Sarum, etc. style helmets.

>>50197456
They follow Corax's tennet of being where the enemy doesn't want them to be, and hit hard, but I don't think they die fast.

Just finished my purchase plans for all of the marine infantry I want to shift from 40k to 30k.

111 marines of various types, 2 contemptors, and 15 terminators.

Why do I have more marines than tyranids??

And most importantly, will I be able to finish by the time inferno drops? Wish me luck.

>>50197456
>>50197647

Could Blackshield Outlanders with Pariah Power Armour be a better fit for him?

>>50197637
I once found an image on how to create a scifi helmet, and important parts were grills near where the mouth would be, an air intake on top of the head and some tubes on the base of the cheeks that nobody knew what they were for

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>>50195777
Iron Hands, specifically Red Talons. Autek Mor is a bad motherfucker and they fit your request for slow and durable.

Though, they're probably pretty popular now.

>>50197296
Meh, that he called your primarch shitty is nothing to lose your head over.

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>>50197456
RG are adaptable and hard hitting. They alpha strike like no other and are murderous. They are the best at [[MAXIMIZING CASUALTIES]] to line troops and fight dirty. If you want a legion that is the best at wholesale slaughter look no further. Some may be better in melee, some may be tricksy, many others tougher; but the RG are Kings of Murder. You will never struggle to kill anything. Especially other marines.

Where most other legions are pigeon-holed into a certain play-style with their RoWs; the RG are not. Adaptability is the name of the game.

>>50197647
>>50197710
Thanks anons, now i'm stuck between Perty and Corax
Goddamn it

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>>50197726
>>50197670
I guess. Sounds too self-harming for my taste, though.
>>50197689
Heh.
>>50197726
Booooy, those guys hate each other. Battle of Gate 42 man!

>>50197726
I guess you're stuck between the sword and the gate!
It's like not being sure about liking red or green, polar opposites man. But to be honest, Ravens are deadlier and faster, IWs care mostly about things going boom. Srry for answering (You) twice.

>>50197726
IW blow shit up from afar and march forward, RG pop out of no where and gun things down before leaping in to Rip and Tear.

IW are easy to play, artillery and Iron Fire. Its very fluffy and extremely powerful/effective. Hence why it is so popular.

RG need a bit more finesse and a predatory mindset. They are good at exploiting the weaknesses of other legions, but do not butt heads with them. But is is sickeningly satisfying when you start thinking of the other players minis as prey.

>>50197781
>>50197797
>Battle of Gate 42
>predator mindset
Welp looks like i'm choosing RG, assuming i can make a list that isn't crap, Corax seems like a dude who always tried to do the logical thing but always got screwed for it.
Not to mention painting black is a welcome change from my usual colourful armies

>>50197781
A (You) is never unwelcome anon

Shattered Legion traitors EC/RG with the VP for killing Only RoW, any good?

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>>50197726
Victorus aut mortis, brother!

>>50197726
Read Weregeld, at least the Prologue and Epilogue. The parts are when despair turns over 11.

>>50195777
Based on your criteria (including not playing too common an army), I'd say Iron Hands, Sons of Horus, and Salamanders. Let's go through the list:

DA - harsh legion rules, but Ironwing could work for you
EC - no, they're a finesse army (have to get the charge)
IW - too common
WS - finesse army (fast, expensive units)
SW - won't know until Inferno comes out
IF - very durable, but fairly common
NL - finesse army (fast, expensive units)
BA - finesse army (fast, expensive units)
IH - durable against shooting, love tanks
WE - hit hard, but take too many losses
UM - generalists... you could make them work
DG - fit the bill, but very common
TS - won't know until Inferno comes out
SoH - hit hard, good variety
WB - slightly finesse (expensive unique units)
Sal - very durable, tons of templates, slow
RG - finesse army (fast, expensive units)
AL - finesse since their bonuses are to deployment

>>50197585
check the greenstuff tutorials at the bottom of the 1d page and I'll play you

Hey /HHG/ I could use some help settline on a basic outline for an army. I eventually plan to go for 5,000 points of IW with allied Reductor forces. Instead of being focused on artillery, I plan to have bodies and tanks on the table designed to pound the enemy from range and then counter charge them with some tough units.

I mostly know what I want from the Iron Warriors side. Perty + some Iron Circle will be in the center to hold the line with some large squads of Tacs and a bunch of big guns behind them (Iron Havocs, Tyrants, and tanks).

The main problem is that I really don't know what to bring on the Reductor side and it is pretty intimidating breaking into mechanicum. I know i can outfit the magos to spit out anti armor death, which sounds pretty appealing, then maybe some basic robots/artillery to provide support? IS there a "standard" template for an allied reductor force that people tend to build off of?

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>>50197726
Load up on bayonets, Praetor says to charge out of the trenches!

>>50197858
Wow thanks for the effort anon
Considering most people have said look into IH, i have no excuse not too

Is there a consensus on which is better at large point games (4-5k): Max tac squads with apothecary or x10 in rhinos? (or even a mix between the two)?

I have heard differing opinions to the point that some people seem to say rhinos are literally a waste of points to large squads being instantly deleted on foot instantly within big games.

>>50197807
Welcome to the Ravenspire, Brother. Victorus Aut Mortis.

Corax was always the one Noblebright intentions, but murderous instincts.

Making a list is pretty straightforward, especially if you know what you're facing. Remember to not get stuck in the "summary of an armies fluff" mindset. RG had tanks, super heavies, gunships, dreads, the works. Sure they were in different numbers than other legions and different applications; But RG were always about to most efficient way to win. Whether thats a Mor Deythan strike team taking out a power generator, a Moritat Kill Cadre massacring a space station, or a tank spearhead breaking through the weakest part of the line. They solved their problems with brains and the right tools for the job. All through a predators eye.

Applying that to the game translates to things like Mor Deythan and Dark Furies scouring scoring units, Seekers killing Command units, gunships hunting down heavy support, Corax is psuedo invisible most of the time and can kill up to 15 marines a turn before sweeping. Kaedes Nex to stack VPs.

The list goes on.

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>>50197873
>I eventually plan to go for 5,000 points of IW with allied Reductor forces. Instead of being focused on artillery, I plan to have bodies and tanks on the table designed to pound the enemy from range and then counter charge them with some tough units.
Magos Reductor, One Thallax unit, One Reductor Artillery unit, which is what people want the Reductor for. If you want your Magos to engage in melee then you'll kit him up, he can become a beast but it'll cost you. Thallax can deny infiltration early.
Despite the name, the Reductor Artillery squad can be used as assault Vindicators, or Melta blast tanks and such. Read this fluff.

>>50197866
The microbead technique looks really good. I think I'll try that, Thanks. Now, does anyone have any tips on what units work well with Ultramarines? I'm not really interested in using tactical support squads.

>>50197933
That sounds exactly like the force I was looking for. Thank you anon!

I love the siege element, but I am looking for a force that represents the first/final push into an enemy fortification after the bombardments.

>>50197910
So a pocket full of scapels over a sledgehammer? Got it

>>50196413
>Muh ancestor
Check
>4 box Yiff
Check
>Fat
Sure

>Racist.
Nope. Where did this and the 'AWG LOVES RESIN' come from?

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>>50197887
>Load up on bayonets, Praetor says to charge out of the trenches!
Fix spades, men!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayonet#19th_century_and_the_multi-purpose_bayonet

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>>50197967
Yes

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>>50196216
good on you, anon. I like the seafoam green and I agree that many schemes are too blue. Yours reminds me the Index Astartes scheme.

Have FW validation for your scheme.

>>50197375
We're all Alpha Legion, you're just not paying attention.

>>50197379
this pls

>>50198091

If I have a basecoat of Leadbelcher, I might get a result similiar to that picture. That and perhaps a coat of Biel-Tan wash.

>>50197637
God dammit, I just wish FW would release some Sarum pattern heads already.

What's the best way of getting some Anti-tank into a list? I'm considering a heavy support squad or Contemptor.

How should I equip Seekers? Preferably EC Maru Skara Outflanking Landraider automatically arriveing on turn 2 Seekers? (I want the sergeant to have AA + phoenix spear.)

>>50198157
They're fine with just bolters but personally I like adding 2-4 combi plasmas to give them more bite, any more and its too expensive in my opinion.

>>50198132
Rapiers with grav or shatter shells, Lightnings, Fire Raptors now that Hell missiles are heavy instead of ordnance, sicarans of both types, pred squads, laser vindi squads, Deredeos with the las battery for tonks and ACs for flyers.

>>50198157
Combi plas for days

>>50198132
Sicaran and heavy support squads

>>50197907
In big games you want some deep striking units (like drop pod squads) to try your luck at attacking artillery units or heavy weapon squads in bunkers. I like Rhinos too because they provide cover from shooting and (more importantly) from being charged, if you place them right. That feels gamey, but it works.

>>50198178
I just built a 10 man with only 2 combiplas in the squad and I feel like it was a waste. Is 2 really okay?

>>50198238
I assume deepstriking termy squads is not worth the cost?

I'll probably throw a leviathan in a pod because of how sexy it is.

>>50198181
>>50198182
Are heavy support squads worth it? I have wanted to bring a squad of lascannons for giant games but fuck its expensive.

>>50198276
It can be. But since you can't assault the turn you arrive, drop pod squads should ideally be shooty units like support squads.

>>50197726
>considering painting black
you're a braver man than i am anon
i would be all over dark angels if it wasn't for that black armor

>>50198293
Here's the thing:

They are what you pay for. 10 Lascannons is a lot of hurt. But every marine lost is substantial. Different legions do them better. IF get Tank Hunters, RG/AL can infiltrate them in side armor and have higher chances to go first. But there are other sources of AT that are tougher and more mobile, but slightly less raw damage output but are better at certain targets.

>>50198349
So what would you use to be able to delete a superheavy or titan?

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>>50198073
fucking shrikes

>>50198365
Grav/lascannon Rapiers or lascannon vindicators.

>>50198365
It really depends on the legion youre playing and the target.

A Lightning loaded with turbo krakens will put the hurt on things. A venator will force it to snapfire and do some good damage. A Lasbattery Deredeo will shave off chunks. Medusae batteries will do some damage too.

I would do two venators and a lightning. Force it to snapfire while doing HPs then finish it with turbo krakens.

>>50198349
And for a few points more, IW get BS5 Tank Hunters with Hardened armor.

>>50198117
Why not use GW ones?

>inb4 "it's not FW resin"

>>50198349
>every marine lost is substantial

Put them into a bunker.

>>50198387
>that file name
Kek. They are related to the Butcherbirds. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butcherbird

>>50198430
which ones is that?

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>>50197056
>mk 7
why didn't you just grab bloodclaw heads instead of helmets and kitbash your own helmets too
Just why would you do something so strange.

>>50198630
I did that because it made sense at the time.
>SW box heads
>SW army
>Don't want one unit of ten, 40k looking marines
>Decide to split those main bits amongst MkIV marines
>Use the rest to add diversity to my MkIII's.

People are acting like I put a MkII torso on a MkVII legs with a MkIV helmet for all of my troops.

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>>50198680
So I ended up doing blue plasma like every other scrub. I am intrigued by the yellow plasma idea and if I ever do Ultramarines or something that doesn't have yellow all over it I'd like to try it out.

I also did the shade and highlights for the cloak finally.

>>50198710
I love the blue on that model, you're the best painter on this board.

How did you paint the green eyes?
My normal scheme;
>Ceramite white
>Waywatcher green
>Mild Moot green dry brush for glow

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>>50198710
>yellow plasma
BANANA GUN
BANANA GUN

>>50198736
They're Prussian Blue with a low-light of Electric Blue and a dot of White Scar in the top left corner.

>>50198769
Wow, they're beautiful, thank you.
It looked green for a hot minute- something something eye tricks with sharp contrasting colors

>>50196231

Sorry, but it's more of a 3 or 4/1 ratio

>>50198790
Thanks for the kind words.

>>50196511
Maybe this would be better directed at the WIP thread but is there a dark grey colour between Black and Eshin Grey? Stormvermin Fur is pretty dark but I think it has a brownish tint to it? I'm somewhat red-green colourblind so I might be missing just how brown it is.

>>50198761
Gotta get that potassium.

>>50198710
That cape looks regal as fuck. EC on suicide watch.

>>50198850
a 1:1 mix of the two would work, or something from Vallejo or Reaper

>>50198544
Any MkVII helmet with studs next to the grill, like in >>50197637

Anyone know of any cool looking Power Axes? I want to model one as a Paragon Blade in celebration of me killing the first Dark Souls 3 boss in 30 seconds with the battle axe.

Warcry Power Attacks do massive damage.

>>50198710
If you're using purple as your accent color, you probably should've used it for the plasma as well. But don't paint over the blue, it's too well-done on that mini.

>>50198946
Wulfen, TWC, Assault Vanguard, the MkIV FW upgrade set axes are imo cool too, not even looking at older sets.

If you want something more traitor eqse there are Warriors of Chaos axes that just ooze evil and corruption.

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>>50198946
Autilon's looks nice. Just saying, he was a limited model, right? Maybe a chinese one.

>>50198946
Techmarine power axes, no exception

What is the best way to run techmarines?

I really want some in my IWs for their awesome looks, however maybe I should just try to use a Warsmith.

>>50199217
5 servitors with rad missiles in cover

>>50198946
I like Celtic style axes where the blade's attached from the top and it curves down. Some of the Black Orc choppas looked pretty brutal enough for me to equip my troops with power axes (blade on thunder hammer shaft).

>>50199105
Curved or straight edged?

>>50198871
Sarum grill is a lot wider

>>50199235
They can only have 4.

>>50199235
>>50199265
Those are actually effective? I always thought using a techmarine as a cheap heavy support squad was always a joke/not actually viable.

Sounds like an amazing modeling opportunity, tho

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>>50199265
> 3 Techmarines and 12 Rad Missile Servitors for the Overnuking as a single Elite choice.

>>50199273
Doesn't matter how affective they are, they're still more effective than destroyers

>>50199273
Its 4 S4 AP3 Fleshbane blasts for 200pts, I think they're a decent alternative if you need anti-marine/Monstrous Creature stuff.

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>>50199250
Don't think so, Tim.

>>50199314
Compare FW art maybe ?

>>50199273
>Those are actually effective?

Fleshbane AP3 Blast. In a game of predominantly 3+ save. All for around 200pts. And you can have 3 such units in a single Elite slot.

In comparison, Destroyer Squad pays 300pts. for two rad missile launchers.

>>50198946
I like the old SW axe, but for a Paragon Blade I'd go with a Sanguinary Guard axe.

>>50199303
>>50199347

Wait, rad missiles have their own profile? I guess I am super stupid. I thought it would just apply the -1 toughness to a regular launcher. Fucking awesome! Definitely need to put those in my list!

Thanks anons!

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>>50199323
Now fuck off.

>>50199377

You are thinking of rad grenades

>>50199396
Ahhh okay, that makes sense.

You fuckwits I am SWlurker.
Kat, Nostalgia. Seriously.

Who is the most suspect/disloyal/unreliable of the loyalist primarchs?

Is it a big deal if I don't show the legion's symbol on my marines? I hate transfers and I really don't want to fork out for the shoulder pads with the iconography on them.

The Death Guard paint scheme is distinctive enough, right?

>>50199446
Alpharius

>>50199446
Lion, hands down.

Only alternative may be the Khan since he is always doing his own thing and nobody really knows what he is up to, but there is no debating that he has his own strict code of honor he follows and is overall reliable.

>>50199446
Leman Russ.
He has always been super bloodthirsty.

>>50199446
The Khan.

>>50199446
The Khan. He never liked or trusted the Emperor, and half his legion went traitor.

>>50199463
This.
Lion also struck me as the least likable.

>>50199446
Relying on Alpharius to do a thing would be a big mistake. Like Paramar, for example.
>>50199469
Nah, dogs are obedient.

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>>50199453
Yes, it's a big deal. I mean, yeah, everybody will know they are your DG anyway, but I'll find you, put your minis in a blender and snort them.
I would do that even if they had the legion symbol, Laurie just pays me to snort marines.
Sorry anon, don't think I find joy in my duty or that it's personal.

Why do you hate transfers, though?

>>50199469
Nah mate, Russ was of the most loyal.

>>50199446
Lion or Girlyman.

>>50199516
>>50199563
He /always/ wanted to test himself against his other brothers, even to go so far as to convince the Emps to allow him to kill Magnus.
>inb4 self hating Yiff player shitposting.
I just think with years spent in the warp, it wouldn't surprise me if GW made Russ' return be this big thing where he fell to Khorne.

>>50199563
>most loyal
>Was never on Terra
>Left the Emperor's side to decimate his legion

>>50197326
Chapter Master is Bane?

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>>50199563
>Who's a good primarch? Who's a good primarch? Yes you are, yes you are! Go find the witch, buddy!
>Fuck those XX chromosomes, Malcador ya pervy old man. DOG GENES are what we need.
>My Lord, I'd hardly call Russ an exem-
>WHO CARES IF HE'S A JOBBER! I love my pet. I mean, my son! I love my son.

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>>50199453
I just want to chime in and say how much I love the loyalist Death Guard in HH1 who has defaced his legion icon and carved on an Aquila.

>>50199474
>>50199486
The Khan might not have loved the emperor, but he was all about truth and honor.
He stayed loyal even when his only friends turned and was there when big E needed him the most (unlike a lot of others). That's got to count for something.

Not to mention he was actually one of the most sensible and level headed primarchs.

>>50199469
Lemon Ruse was stupidly loyal. He was just a bit mentally damaged by ending up on a savage hellhole, a bit like Angron just not so bad.

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>>50199611
Loyal DGs wooo! You pretty much posted the only one, wooo!

Dumb question here

I want to model my Praetor with two swords in his hands, for reasons.
Should I just claim both swords count as the Paragon Blade (I'll be putting a holstered pistol on the mini somewhere I guess)?
Or can he get away with having a PB and another sword in his loadout (even though I'll never use it).
Just want to avoid rustling anyone with an illegal model.

>>50199636
Yeah.

You could even go dual Paragon Blades for 50 points, though he'd then lack a ranged weapon.

>>50199636
Sure why not. You don't need to have him equipped with a Paragon Blade and a power sword. If your Paragon Blade is a paired weapon, just say so.
Post a double sword gif ploz

Got a Burning of Prospero kit as a starting point for a 30K army. Do Tartarsauce Terminators have any additional special rules somewhere, or are they just aesthetically different?

>>50199710
They can Sweep.

>>50199710
>>50199714
They can sweep and have a slightly worse invuln save compared to cata

>>50199714
>>50199726

Those rules never made it to publishing.

>>50199726
And can Overwatch and Run, unlike Cataphractii.

Now, in comparison to stock Terminator armour rules (what anon was most likely asking about), Tartaros can Sweep and that's it.

>>50199757
>"In addition to the effects and rules listed previously for Terminator armour,models in Tartarus armour may make Sweeping Advances in combat unlike other patterns of Terminator armour."
-Legion red book, pg. 133

>>50199658
>>50199657
Thanks lads.

>>50199446
Guilliman. I think he would've been happy running Imperium Secundus.

We still don't have much info that would implicate the Lion. Jaghatai was fully loyal even if his subordinates weren't. Russ liked his role as the Emperor's executioner (a little too much). Dorn's too square to go bad, Sanguinius too good, and Manus too disinterested in politics. Vulkan too humane, Corax... I wouldn't have trusted him, even though he turned out to be fine.

>>50199780
>slightly worse invuln save

>>50199790
Technically, Lion, Rowboat and Sanguinius all committed treason, the Lion twice over, with Imperium Secundus.

Not that any of that reeeeaally counts.

>>50199792
The thing that bothers me is that Indomitus gets the worst of both worlds. Like some kind of reverse Miley Cyrus.

>>50199817
>Like some kind of reverse Miley Cyrus.

They also have bulldog faces, like Miley Cyrus. They could just make Indomitus cheaper.

>>50199792
>compared to cata[prahctii]

5+ is less than 4+, anon.

>>50199831
>5 is less than 4

WHO'S THE CRAZY ONE NOW?!

>>50199829
Or just fucking make terminator armour a uniform stat like power armour, with the differences of the patterns being more fluffy than gameplay. That way people can model their units the way they want, instead of having to think what pattern of armour is the best.

What next, different stats to Rhino hulls, weapon variants, etc.? Tigrus gets more penetration at short ranges, phobos more range, etc.? Deimos hull can repair on a 5+ and re-rolls dangerous terrain tests?

http://imgur.com/a/tyJgc

wrote up a little battle report for my imperial fists vs 40k ravenwing game today. if you like watching knight anon get his ass beat then this might interest you.

>>50199446
Ferrus Manus.

He lost his head when he found out Fulgrim went rogue.

>>50199842
That's not what I wrote, though. Seeing that (you) missed the cataphractii, it's clear (you) can't into reading comprehension, so just fuck off with (you)r (you).

>>50199905
>That's not what I wrote

You didn't write anything, you typed it.

>>50199888
>http://imgur.com/a/tyJgc
Neat.

>>50196146
What gives the 4+fnp?

>>50199891
My sides, I did not need them.

>>50199888
I really appreciate the batrep (we don't even enough of those on here) but 30k vs a decent-tier 40k army with grav... Man what did you expect would happen?

>>50199453
>Purchase one Death Guard pad
>Apply to an arm
>Coat in petroleum jelly
>Take a ball of green stuff
>Attach to end of stick
>Push the ball into the shoulder
>Remove and let dry
>You now have a mold
I will leave the caveat that I don't know how well it would work for DG, but it worked just fine for my DA.

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First squad from prospero finished (pretty much). First ever attempt at edge highlighting. How did I do lads?

>>50200023
The paintjob is clean but I can't see the highlighting - I'd go for a stronger contrast. After that, give washes a whirl. When in doubt, just use watered down Nuln Oil and carefully paint it into the crevasses. Where does the word "Nuln" come from, anyway?

>>50200023
You did really well, especially for your first time.
You should be proud of yourself.

>>50199961
He's a friend, and he just finished this army in the past month. But yeah I'm trying to convince him to do 30k night lords so it's more fun for both of us.

>>50200023
>finished

>no noticeable shadows or highlights
>thicc paint
>black bases with paint spills
>no drilled barrels

>finished

Nope, back to the paint table with you. I don't want to see those until they're properly finished.

>>50199633
Go sleep, Papa Nurgle. Loyalist DG is the only good one.

>>50200023
It's a good start, but those are not anywhere close to being finished. See >>50200100

>>50200079

Nuln is an Empire city from WHFB. And never thin Citadel washes with water or you increase the chance of them drying white.

>>50200023
4/10 barely table top standard.

Okay for first time though.

Watch Saint Duncan's tutorial on painting TS.

Remember that Volkite glows red, while Plasma glows blue.

Remember to drill your barrels.

Remember to THIN YOUR PAINTS.

>>50199869
Maybe they should have made Cataphractii and Tartaros an upgrade to regular Indomitus. +2-5pts per terminator?

>>50195692
Yes (that's how I made my Lernaean)

>>50197842
No don't read Weregeld, Corax gets dialed down to the most stereotype of angsty teenager character in that story. Rather go for Deliverance Lost.

>>50198157
Take combi-plasmas. Hot plasma on the turn they come in, then plant boots and scorpius death the rest of the game.

>>50199377
Rad missiles are also very nice againt Mortars, the other nukes-your-shit unit in the elite slot

>>50200151
But then my 2500 army wouldn't be legal anymore.

Do we have the 30k SoS rules yet? Would I be premature in buying a land raider and painting it sparkly gold?

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>>50200023
Better than my attempts, brother.

>>50200180
Talons of the Emperor will have their own unique vehicles. No Land Raiders/Rhinos/Stormwhatevers, etc.

And no to your first question.

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>>50199951
Against poison only. FnP(4+) against poison, srry I was phoneposting. It's from their Legion rules. They're also immune to Fear, like Salamanders, but faster than them.
>>50200167
It's too late for that now. That should have been done at the beginning, but back then FW didn't know their shit. (and they kind of still don't)

I should really get something to properly transport my rhinos in. Right now they travel to the LGS jammed together in a landraider box because they're bare plastic anyway. But now that almost everything else is painted it's really jarring to have the decent looking infantry standing next to naked plastic rhinos.

>>50199842
Ah, but the number of numbers which number more than 5 is fewer than the number of numbers which number more than 4, therefore 5+ is less than 4+.
I think.

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>>50200124
I just wish we at least knew what Crysos' looks like. Pic related also apprears in that Blackshield novel, alongside (against) Decima, now Invictus.
>>50200184
He's so shiny!

>>50200184
yours are better in every way.

>>50199967
Actually, I've duped parts before. I have no idea why I was too dumb to even consider doing this.

Thanks for that, anon.

>>50200257

Are we counting negative numbers too?

>>50199888
>2 bedrooms, 1 parking spot, 10 guys, San Francisco housing in a nutshell.
Fucking keked, Khorne KA
>Turn 4
Ouch.
Well, your enemy was the Jinking Jinkmaster of Jinking, you taught us what good things can a Sicaran bring. And also to not fight against 40k.
Also, Knightismund!

>>50200367
Are they more than 4 or 5?

>>50200023
Cheers for all the feedback lads. I'll post the custodians next

>>50200407
Yeah a couple of Sicarans really would have made a difference in this game. But yeah Knightismund and his crew are going back in the closet for a while until I finish my World Eaters. I'm tired of silver and yellow.

>>50200257
5+ save succeeds on 5+ and 6+.
4+ save succeeds on 4+, 5+ and 6+.

5+ is more than 4+.

>>50200146
>Volkite glows red
Mind sourcing this?
I only ask because Cult Mech have blue Volkite.

>>50199888
>and grav guns have more shots than I remember them having
Yeah, 40k grav is redonkulous.

>>50200481
You guys tone it down, we care little about how you guys defend how number 4 is different to number 5, and on your case I'd advise you to learn some basic math and fractions.
Both lost this argument, only Tzeentch won.

>>50200330
Not up close they aren't, seriously. But thanks.

What is KA?

>>50200512
40k grav overwatching at BS2 was just nasty. I need to find more 30k players (that actually have painted armies)

Small question, are Tyrant Siege Terminators Elites, Heavy Support, or both? I have conflicting sources and I'm not sure which one is the most up to date. I'm also looking for whichever redbook has the newest redo of the Legiones Astartes veteran tac squad abilities as apparently they made outflank and sniper be granted by the same thing

>>50199888
Really liked your Knightismund

>>50200257
Infinity is the same as infinity minus one in terms of real numbers.

>>50200480
Will you acquire those Vigil shields, man? Sounds like you could make use of them, since that squad can't sweep, so they must endure.

>>50200522

Nurgle and Khorne also win because all their numbers are greater than 5.

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>>50200545
>I have conflicting sources and I'm not sure which one is the most up to date
Nobody is sure of anything anymore, anon.
>545
The cost of a full Tyrant squad
>>50200577
Slaanesh's number is 6. (S)he also wins!

>>50200545
>>50200596
Email forgeworld at least 3 times, on different days, from different email addresses. If you get the same answer every time, it's probably that.

So how reliable are cybertheurgy powers realistically? I was toying with the idea of adding a Dominus to my Mechanicum list to repair and cast on the few robots I have, but is that worth the 90 pts?

>>50200499
Check official BL/FW 30k art. And the FW models that are painted.

Besides, Cult Mech has them with two barrels instead of a ray. Cult Mech has Volkite done wrong.

>>50200545
Heavy Support, unfortunately.

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>>50200540
KA is a newfag who started playing 30k this year with the arrival of the Calth box, has made several questionable choices in regards to paint schemes and modeling, and posts here asking for advice and doesn't take it as often as he should. He earned his name from Bread Anon after he posted his first army that included THREE FUCKING KNIGHTS at 2000 points because, being a newfag, he didn't know any better and was used to being >>50200512
grav'ed the fuck off the table by >>50200407
rerollable jinking motherfuckers in 40k. He currently is working on a World Eaters Crimson Path list that you are advised to tell him looks great because it is, goddammit, I've spent a long time on it.

In real life, Knight Anon is a moderately handsome mid-twenties man who used to have sex when he was in college and has a hairline as depressing as his moldlines.

>>50200636

Healing two wounds a turn on a t7 platform for 90 points is amazing.

>>50200636
If your question is about math, I'm going to be dissapointed with (You).
http://www.mathcelebrity.com/2dice.php?gl=3&pl=10&opdice=1&rolist=+&dby=&ndby=&montect=+

>>50200658
Nice

>>50200655
Actually, rechecking, on the models they have a bit of a blue glow on the inside, but the heat coils are a red/gold/brass color, but on the art for them they're red and fire red rays/beams.

>>50200655
>Heavy Support, unfortunately.

I wouldn't say its a total loss, as the role they usually serve is more HS than elite and Elite slots tend to be pretty crowded anyway. Plus it means you can combo 3 units of tyrant siege termies with vanilla/tatroros squads because you love 2+ saves and infantry spam but also hate high model count armies and having points left over for transports.

>>50200762
They'd be better off as Elites, as HS is usually taken by Tanks/Artillery/Doritos/Big Boys/LASCANNONS/Other

>>50200685
I can mathhammer well enough to work out the Ld. tests, I'm just wondering whether the powers are good enough to warrant the points investment. I already run Scoria, I just wanted someone to throw Rite of Destruction on my Thanatar and Vulturax when Scoria is busy casting Rite of the Beast on his Vorax hunting dogs.

>>50200444
They're not bad, but I think you'll find that a wash will liven them up. Highlighting is best done after the wash, and you may want to because it's hard to see the highlighting that you've done. Could be the lighting in the photo.

The shiny Thousand Sons you're comparing yours to are different - a candy coat (a custom car term, clear colored paint over a metallic base) kind of highlights itself just by being so shiny. With flat paints, you're basically trying to simulate reflected light so it takes more work.

>>50200655
For fuck's sake, I just looked through cult-mech codex and it turns out only two pics display it correctly with the cylinder shaped opening while every other one is the double holed plasma one.

I guess I'll be painting my Cult-Mech Vokite red then...

>>50200762
>>50200792

Yeah no, it is a total loss and a rly bad nerf, especially considering the fact that IW now have both of their special units in the heavy support slot and they both fulfill similar roles.

>>50200830
Actually, if we go by official art and models, Volkite doesn't glow, but does fire red beams.

The heat coils on them are a more gold/brass color, look at FW's TS Contemptor, Knight Styrix, and Glaive for examples.

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what's the most optimal unit to put in a storm eagle?

Deathstars seem out since it keeps them out of the game for too long. Maybe a 20 man tactical squad for a late game objective grab?

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


HIROSHIMOOT YOU BROUGHT BACK J-LIST BUT REFURE TO REMOVE THE ADWARE!?

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>50200903
>Actually, if we go by official art and models, Volkite doesn't glow, but does fire red beams.
Boooo!
You know, I used to think Volkite shot out green lightning and it made ZZAP! sounds. But turns out it doesn't glow, shoots straight beams and it sounds CHOOM
>>50201119
He told me you weren't complaining loud enough due to your post's lack of comments, so he's giving you extra adds. Srry anon.

>>50201210
>Already painted all his volkite coils metallic with no glow
Seems like some people are so awesome they paint their stuff fluffwise without even knowing

>>50201024
20 tacticals seems too much, maybe just 10 tacticals or despoilers.

>tfw Blood Bowl is coming out
>I want to start my 30k army
Why must you do this to me GW.

>>50201369
>Adeptus Titanicus and Sisters of Battle next year

Our wallets are gonna get fucked.

>>50201369
Yeah we're gonna miss the days of flying goldfish, flying bricks, babycarriers, mutilators, and flying turkeys. It was so easy to save your money back then.

>>50196163
What is this quote from?

>>50201619
>t. Alpharius
-HH3, the Invasion of Paramar.

>>50196250

I play Outlanders!

>>50195662
Is that picture reference to Autek's Mor tactical moon bombardment?

>>50201711
No, what made you think that?.

>>50201727
World Eaters, Moon and Autek's Mor face on it..

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>>50201776

Fuck my club is doing the Istvaan 5 campaign and I need to pick a legion. I'm lucky in that my club is chill and isn't WAAC, I just don't know what would be more fun. Can anyone give me some help with these ideas?

>Headhunter Leviathal focused on fucking with the HQs to the exclusion of actual objectives. Kinda iffy because as much as I love the fluff, it really feels like Seekers would be better because Headhunters just look bad.

>A young World Eater who is devoted to Khorn Worship quite religiously leading several like minded squads of his friends, followers and brothers into glorious battle with their dreadnought support. Iffy because it feels like there's no real tactics.

>>50201850
Headhunters seem fine as troops and you can still have Seekers on your fast attack slot.

>>50201850
I myself am not really fond of either idea.

Number one is because of how poor Headhunters are right now, sadly.

Number two is that Chaos Worship wasn't really a thing outside the WB and SoH until late/after the Heresy, iirc.

Could be wrong though, but the first one sounds cool though, like something the AL would do.

>>50201837
Sailor Majora is best girl.

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>>50201850
>Headhunters
I remember that AL anon who pulled an Istvaan through sheer bluffing and intelligent positioning. You gotta be smart too, anon! Dammit I wish I had screencapped that one.
>Iffy because it feels like there's no real tactics.
Take advice from Captain Kharn: If it works, it ain't stupid.

>>50201901
>who pulled an Istvaan
Care to elaborate?

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>>50202017
If you want a screencap (You) gotta take it yourself, I guess.

>>50201837
But will it blend?

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>>50198710
I'm so close to finishing! Still need to highlight the crozius staff and metallic portions (but I have to wait a while for the washes to dry off).

Apparently the new hero bases come in to my FLGS tomorrow so I'm hoping there will be a cool one for me to use.

>>50202733

I'm not too sure about the purple cape

>>50203439
What colour do you think it should be?

>>50203452
neon green

>>50203452

Black highlighted up to gray

>>50203452
Neon Black.

>>50203452
I like purple, but if repainting is going to happen, white would be nice too.

>>50203580
I have two of these Kurtha Sedd models, the other one is probably going to be used for a Praetor or Moritat conversion or something so I can try out another cloak colour then.

>>50203612
If you want to add a layer of depth to your models, you can look up what colors of clothing meant in medieval times- purple was for royalty because of how hard it was to make, and White was for purity, and so on.
You can choose a color that will fit with the models motif, and possibly challenge yourself to a new paint scheme.

>>50202733
I like the purple. It's regal.

>>50204806
Purple and yellow are complementary colours too.

cross posting for visibility and horus heresy
>>50205175

Anyone have any tips/finished models for the UM Legion Herald?

>>50195777
Thousand sons. No one else plays them and any legion can be built how you want it to be.

>>50205650
>inb4 loyalist heralds a shit.
Look up actual roman heraldry?

>>50205766
I do.

>>50205900
Are you the guy with the 3 javelin speeders?
Because them b kewl.

>>50206059
No. I just have dudes and a Fire Raptor.

>>50205650
>>50205771
Remember the Aquilifier would be the only one not to wear animal furs

Iron Warriors or Ultramarines? I can't decide between WW1 aesthetic or Roman aesthetic

>>50206178
IW. Ultramarines are too smug.

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>>50206178
Both!
WORLD WAR ROME!

>>50206224
>Implying smugterabo isn't the smuggest

We need a new thread!

>>50206178
The one with better siege tyrants.
:^)

>>50206178
UM. Everyone else hates the fact that youre the best.

>>50206178
Ultras, spam breachers, model them as 20 man testudos.

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