Horus Heresy General /hhg/

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>>50184730
We are Legion.

>>50184730
Praetor who?

>>50184791
Just something I thought of. The DG tend to have unimaginative names. Example one of them is named Necrosis or he took that name after becoming a Plague Marine. Can't remember. But I am surprised that there isn't a DG named Anthrax already. The Cowslaughter part came from some WW2 Britbong plot to kill off Germany's cows.

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>>50184840
It has to be a taken name, like "Meduson" or "Perturabo".
>The Cowslaughter part came from some WW2 Britbong plot to kill off Germany's cows.
What the fuck?

So if the Legions can nick all of out battle-automata and make them better with their special rulse, how come we Admech players can't use their tanks and such? We do make them, and I'm a little salty about them getting all our toys AND their stuff.
Reposting from 40kg, but I wish GW would do a Schism of Mars set with plastic Thallax, Adsec, a Krios or two Castellax, and a Magos.

Shame they have too much of a boner for space yiffs ATM and they cannot possibly throw a bone to the Admech or SA. Hell, do a SA vs Darkmech kit and have upgrade sprues for the basic troopers to be either SA men or Adsecularis.
Then you get both non-marine armies done and can go back to designing slightly different hats for your Marines and Termies.

>>50184861
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Vegetarian

Cannot find any pictures of Luna Wolves Attack Reavers, which is sad because they would look amazing in white (SoH have green ones, so i'm assuming they aren't just all black). Are Reavers even a thing for Lunas or is it just Sons of Horus?

>>50184888
They're a Luna thing too.

>>50184861
Actually a thing. We planned to drop infected ordnance on their farms and starve them fast, but the Govenment gave up the plan after seeing how virulent Anthrax is.
There are a couple islands that have only been declared safe a few years ago after they tested the virus on them.

>>50184882
I do like the Army's taste in operation names.

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>>50184868
If I had read HH4 I'd comment something about SA MaSade leading a dozen Knights into battle, as well as the SA's battles in Port Maw and Draykavac's journeys.
But I didn't.
I'm waiting on the new IA book, as MontKa didn't satiate my hunger for AdMech.
>>50184882
>>50184899
What the fuck...
By the way, why didn't it proceed? Not that I'm wishing for Germany's death, but that sounded like a winning plan.

>>50184840
It's not that they're unimaginative, it's that the names are taken in honor of things that are considered holy to their beliefs. It's no different from the millions of people named Christopher or Muhammad

>>50184868
Because it's not about you, and you never should have been a part of the Horus Heresy

Do you mix armor marks in your army? In your squads?

>>50184928
Becsuse that would render the meat tainted, no steaks man. Or because maybe the time frame.

>>50184928
Precisely, they work well together and as foes. They can even add the robots to any Legion army, so they get a plastic cookie as well.

They didn't use it because they didn't have a cure and it is ludicrously dangerous. You never use a biological weapon unless you know for sure you can control it, and when your minor test quarantined an island for 50 years it's not something you want to drop on a country.
Knowing how bad anthrax is, it would hardly be much worse if it was an ebola epidemic.

>>50184945
You do need us to fix your shit after your mirror matches though. Also less dull when SOMEONE isn't wearing 3+ armour, and has a large no. of stats at 4. It's our war too, and enough of us are in the fluff to nab ourselves an army.

>>50184956
>In army
Yes
>In squad
Yes
>On a single marine
No

If I wanted a metallic Cherry Red on a Thousand Sons model, what would be the best way to obtain this?

Does anyone have that bit of fluff about SW not liking Contemptors I mentioned it to a friend whos starting with BaC and BoP but I don't know where it's from

>>50184724
To add up on this, this unit gets 3 WS4 S3 AP3, Rending Attack with precision strikes per model on the charge, so usually this amounts to hit on 4+ and to wound on 5+, which is enough to make them good at what they're supposed to do but won't make them undercosted for what they do at 220-250pts.

>>50184928
They didn't go through with it because ANthrax is some fucked up shit bro

Wikipedia says the islands they tested it on were only reclassified as safe for humans to go on in 1990, 45 years after they first tested it

>>50184956

My entire army is in non-production Mk. V

There's literally not a single marine with a complete suit of armour from one mark.

>>50185016
Continung with WW2 bio weapon plans the Americans had Operation Capricious. It did not however involve cows, or Nazis. It involved goats, Nazis, and airplanes.

>>50184956
>army
yes
>squad
no
>on a marine
DEFINITELY NO

>>50185028
I think that's only a 40k thing, they see them as tainted relics of the heresy

>>50185034
Post pics

you scumbag

>>50185033
Sounds like successful Reduction™ to me
>>50185032
Maybe give them Murderous Strike for that Instant Death on a six. Now that'd be headhunting, wouldn't it? Along with the price modifications and enhanced Banestrike and PE(HQ) I proposed.

>>50185028
I believe it's in the Contemptor section in Imperial Armor vol 2, 2nd edition. They were not a fan of the difficulty in maintaining them, so they mostly used the Mars pattern instead.

They had a few contemptors, but ended up going to the marines who did really crazed, fucked up shit. The kind of stuff you'd normally see the Night Lords doing. Even into 40k, the contemptors are given to the real psychos of the chapter and their use is seen as a bad omen for the pack that fights alongside them.

>>50175986
As promised, I'm back with some EC wisdom.

Eidolon should definitely use a jump pack and either hang out with jump pack Palatine Blades or an Assault Squad. It's relatively unique to have a combat-oriented special character that doesn't need a transport, so you really want to take that opportunity when available.
Eidolon also heavily relies on getting the charge to win combats, and with a transport you generally only get one good charge (or none at all if your vehicle blows up) and anything beyond that is circumstantial, but with a jump pack you can quite reliably get multiple charges in one game by quickly moving away from threats and towards targets. You also get the option to easily split off from your unit and chase vehicles with Eidolon while the unit goes after infantry.
Whether you use Palatine Blades or an Assault Squad is up to preference, either glass cannons that take up an elite slot or strength in numbers that can score.
I wouldn't say that it's worth it to add offensive Consuls to a Primarch death star, because you're just making the expensive and super killy blob even more expensive and killy to the point of redundancy. It could be worth it for Curze and Corax who can't get kited in circles like other Primarchs.

>>50185040
That one I had not heard of. A quick google later, and that sounds at least as absurd as the British Special Operations shop in the backroom of a London tailors. They had all their gadgets there, and copies of all the German uniforms to show the top brass.
Hell, they called the SOE the "Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare".

Now I'm imagining a tech-priest attempting to keep shop. All the mannequins are servitors waving out the window.

>>50185122
Mars ie. Castraferrum.

>>50185126
As for Fulgrim's retinues, what you're primarily looking for in a death star retinue for a Primarch is survivability. The Primarch can kick ass on his own, he just needs ablative wounds to keep him from getting shot to death. Your death star's defense either comes through quantity (power armoured marines), quality (terminators) or both (expensive terminators with restricted transport options).

For a budget death star that takes up a total of 8-13 transport capacity I'd go for Veteran Tacticals or Palatine Blades, both with an attached Apothecary.
Veteran Tacticals are cheaper but weaker and with power weapon upgrades they're no longer cheap and get countered easily (power swords and they lose to 2+, power axes and they lose to power swords/lightning claws), so use them only as cheap extra wounds.
Palatine Blades are slightly more expensive but sonic shriekers make units with WS4 base hit Fulgrim on 5+, chosen warriors means they can keep a dangerous opponent busy in challenges while Fulgrim cleans up the chaff and finally, charnabal sabres are VERY strong for their cost.
10 Palatine Blades with charnabal sabres will cause more damage than 5 charging Phoenix Terminators against MEQ, hordes, vehicles, MCs and even against TEQ with 3++/4++, while being cheaper. The only situation where Phoenix Terminators are stronger is against 2+ with 5++ or worse, and in that case only for one combat phase.
I wouldn't recommend an artificer Command Squad because they don't have the numbers of regular marines or the invulns of Terminators and the legion standard is kind of wasted. Similarly, tartaros Command Squads only give you 5 wounds and no FNP, and tartaros Command Squad + Primus Medicae is no longer low budget.

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>>50185127
>Hell, they called the SOE the "Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare".
Hey, don't mess with the Alpha Legion-crewed Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare. It's my favorite along with the Salamander-operated Petroleum Warfare Department.
And the DG-managed Chemical service and the IW-manned Assault Pioneer regiments & Arditii.

>>50185127
We need art of this.

>>50185153
For a fuckhuge expensive death star, I would recommend regular tartaros Terminators, optionally with a Primus Medicae. Phoenix Terminators are a much more fluffy choice but unfortunately also much worse.
Phoenix Terminators compared to regular ones get WS5, sonic shriekers, stubborn, phoenix spears and their two special rules. Stubborn is made redundant by Fulgrim's fearless, sudden strike is redundant because of EC's new legiones astartes rules (I5 vs. I6 almost never matters), and living icon will rarely come into play alongside Fulgrim (either you win hard, lose hard or you're stuck with fearless dudes).
Getting phoenix spears is almost more of a drawback than an advantage when it comes to hanging out with Fulgrim. You're practically guaranteed to lose against another Primarch/Scoria death star because any damage you do on the charge will get outweighed by fearless followed by multiple turns of fighting with wet noodles while the opponent's retinue takes you out with power fists etc.
You're also very liable to get tarpitted by a single walker, where you need a fair bit of luck for Fulgrim and an optional Primus Medicae with thunder hammer to be able to do damage to it while the Phoenix Terminators stand around looking stupid.
With regular Terminators you get the same survivability for cheaper while also getting flexibility in weapon options. You could for instance go 5 chainfists, 4 lightning claws and a phoenix spear on the sergeant to get AP2 at initiative in that one important challenge, a considerable amount of AP3 shred at initiative to handle MEQ blobs and admech robots before they strike and a considerable amount of anti-tank/anti-TEQ.
Also, it should go without saying that you want tartaros over cataphractii so that you can sweep and run, which is central to EC's playstyle.

>>50185178
Finally, transports.

Transports for 10:
>Dreadclaw - high risk, high reward. Very cheap, get to pick your position after the opponent has deployed and infiltrated, very reliable turn 2 charge, safe even if it blows up BUT very susceptible to get focused down on turn 1 which is risky with such an expensive cargo.
>Land Raider Phobos - decent budget option. AV14 with AC is strong, but not strong enough if your opponent has one of the better anti-tank options. Should be used in conjunction with other medium threat vehicles like Terminators in Dreadclaws, Contemptors, Land Raiders and Sicarans, forcing your opponent to make hard decisions on what to focus.

Transports for 10+:
>Storm Eagle - Maru Skara is required for this to be used, and even then it's not perfect. It's a turn 3 charge at best, and if your opponent has so much as a single weapon with skyfire you can't afford to go into zooming mode and risk suffering the S9AP2 crash which means you'll have to hover in max 12" from a randomized side table edge, which could easily leave you well out of position with your death star.
>Kharybdis - a Dreadclaw for twice the points that's twice the size, twice the capacity and with a bunch of missile launchers thrown in for free. Same benefits, same drawbacks, 2 extra HP won't matter much when you're deep striking close to melta guns, melta bombs, chainfists etc.
>Caestus - doesn't work with Maru Skara since it's heavy support and Fulgrim's re-roll doesn't work on it, would not recommend as a Primarch transport because of its unreliability, even with a Damocles/comms relay it's not guaranteed and game-ruining if they don't come in.
>Spartan - the gold standard. If you don't want to be ballsy with a Dreadclaw/Kharybdis and want more than 10 transport capacity, this is your go-to option. You might as well invest in AC, auxiliary drive, dozer blade and flare shield once you've gone this far, would be stupid to get shot or stuck on terrain with a 1000pts+ melee blob.

Should I mention Operation Underworld? It involves gangsters https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meyer_Lansky
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_Luciano

>>50184768
Dorn is such a gross Primarch.

Constipated, wrinkly, grey-haired masochist with repressed homo daddy-love.

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>>50185126
>>50185153
>>50185178
>>50185214
Now this is some glorious wisdom

>>50185172
Hah. That works better if the logo is a hydra wearing 7 seperate top hats and monocles.
>>50185174
I was just thinking that, but sadly I'm no artist. Maybe I'll ask when the next drawthread comes up.

>>50185218
Odd thing is the SOE included Roald Dahl, Ian Fleming and a few other notables.
Apparently it's where Fleming got the idea for 007.


What I do want for Admech is more tanks. All the ones we have ATM are excellent, but a bit one-dimensional. How about an Admech command vehicle? It could allow cybertheurgy better if Cybernetica, and allow repairs better and more accurate artillery if Reductor. Basic Taghmata could use it to use buff bubbles on surrounding units.

>>50185027
>If I wanted a metallic Cherry Red on a Thousand Sons model, what would be the best way to obtain this?
Silver Base, Cherry Red clear coats on top.

Tamiya Clear Red, Vallejo RC Candy Red, FW Angron Red clear, all of those should do the job.

All best applied with an airbrush of course.

>>50185230
First time I've seen that marine popping his head out of the LR.

>>50185224
Oi, alpharius, it's the iron warriors that are meant to be bitter.

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>>50185230
Lost and damned indeed. This is not a good pain.

>>50185260
>as just thinking that, but sadly I'm no artist. Maybe I'll ask when the next drawthread comes up.
Isn't there one up now?

Is anywhere the Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Legions Red Book in digital wersion? Or there are only scans?
In OP links there is Legion Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List.

>>50185271
OK thanks. I was considering getting an airbrush, and this will probably prompt me to get one.

>>50185334
Also, why silver not gold? Surely gold would give a warmer colour?

>>50185322
I believe this is the scan, not the actual digital version

https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.docdroid.net%2Ffz1OuHK%2Fcrusade-imperialis-army-lists.pdf.html

>>50185334
Note that you can do it without one, it's just comparitively quite a pain to apply the clear red by hand as it's sticky and pools. The metallic undercoat can be applied with a can of spray paint.
>t.I've been doing this exact thing
Also ivory rims are a bitch but look cooler than the gold GW are suggesting instead

>>50185334
Another option would be using a metallic red (Vallejo Model Air Turn Signal Red or Vallejo RC Metallic Red) could also work, but you'd still need a couple of red washes or clear coats to deepen the colour to a nice cherry red.

>>50185365
>https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.docdroid.net%2FZTK72gs%2Flegiones-astartes-age-of-darkness-army-list.pdf.html

Ignore the last one, thats the SA and IM list. Still scan not digi version though.

>>50185373
Ivory rims sound great, any pics?

>>50184730
I have Mechanicum Taghmata Army List in epub, but it don't want convert to pdf, can anyone tell me how to convert this stuff? Also where to upload it?
>>50185322
Also looking for this.

>>50185097
You mean AP3 on 5+, AP2 on 6? This might work as it's shit compared to Marksmen and Scorpius, which are "free".
However, I'm not in favour of Murderous Strike as that would set a precedent for non-HQ units.
PE(HQ) might be good, but that's infringing on the Raven Guard's territory. Maybe they should keep PE(Infantry) which they had in their first iteration, even though Alpharius buffs that.
This could work well with 4+ to hit because let us face it, no true AL player will use a Chaplain.
PE, though, warrants another price increase and they are costly as it is.

>>50185466
>You mean AP3 on 5+, AP2 on 6?
Yes, along with Assault weapon so that anon can have his melee headhunters
>PE(HQ) might be good, but that's infringing on the Raven Guard's territory. Maybe they should keep PE(Infantry) which they had in their first iteration, even though Alpharius buffs that.
>However, I'm not in favour of Murderous Strike as that would set a precedent for non-HQ units.
You gotta hunt some heads, anon. Whichever is cheaper. Besides, how would you depict a backstab as different from a regular chainsword?

>>50185600
They are melee with PDx2, Banestrike BP, Venom Spheres. Let bolters be optional +5pts/model, C-weapons +10pts/model, Volkite chargers +7pts/model.
Headhunting is done via Rending and Precision Strikes.
As always, AL are a generalist legion so there's no need to make HH character hunters, nor too powerful if we want them balanced, but they should be priced to be viable in small-scale games too, as clandestine operations usually involve as little personnel as possible.

>>50184956
Hell yes. RG didn't have the liberty not to. I have III through VI. Some squads are mixed, some individual marines are mixed, some squads are all of one type of each. It's glorious.

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>>50185652
>Let bolters be optional
>Volkite chargers
No, thanks.

>>50185710
Actually, due to BS5
>combi-bolter +7pts/m
>choom charger +10pts/m
>combi-weapon +10pts/m
All bolt weapons include Banestrike ammo, of course.

>>50185652
I like shooty head hunters to be honest. They're supposed to be Seekers+, and every legion has melee killy stuff. Give them all rending shots that allow you to just pick the target like precision shots++

>>50185830
>/tg/ in charge of balance
>again

>>50185841
Still bitter about Stranivar and Mezoa?

Just won a Mortarion on eBay lads

>>50186145
congratz

>>50186145
How much?

>>50186233
£36

>>50186279
Nice.

Help me pick a legion guys, I want a small cadre of elite troops backed by expendable warp cults/guardsmen and heavy artilllery.

>>50185382
I'm still too scared to post pics right now, my painting is weak. But will soon, working up to it.

Anyone think non-WB will get access to daemons in the future?

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>mk3 marines just arrived in the mail from blessed czechman
my heresy begins today

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>>50186411
Probably, warp cults did.

>>50186336
Raven Guard Liberation Force is literally exactly what you want

>>50186336
Dark Angels, but with Artillery and Guardsmen
>>50186427
The poorfag pile doesn't stop from keep getting taller.

>>50186411
Very likely, I can't imagine Battle of Terra without EC/WE/DG going full heresy.

>>50186279
>I wonder if he got scammed by a recaster
>look up eBay sold auctions
>a bunch of super cheap bids won for Mortarion
>like literally multiple bidding auctions ending well below 50% of its MSRP

Haha, these sellers got FUCKED.

>>50186440

How does it make you feel that I have almost 2.5k of Heresy units, and the only piece of resin is the limited edition praetor tribune?

>>50186427

You can get plastic ones for like two bucks a guy. Why would you buy recast Mk III of all things now that Prospero exists?

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Praise the Emperor finally a decent piece of Lorgar/WB artwork from the pre-Heresy.

>>50186474

Not him but someone with 2500 of plastic 30k is way more respectable than someone with all recasts.

And I'm not trying to imply that having little toy soldiers is something to be proud of, it's just that recasters are obnoxious and pathetic braggarts who are really just poorfags.

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>>50186483

BL also released some Mr. Bitter & friends.

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>>50186336
I got u senpai

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>>50186483
He looks angry.
>And then there's this faggot, my sons!
>Absolutely disgusting!
I can't think of what his face says more. Did he find the wrong space Craglist's add?
>>50186500
>that marine missing a hand
I want to joke and say Pert ate it out of anger but I feel as if I shouldn't.

>>50186500
What's wrong with his arms?

>>50186476
no they're plastics
i just bought them from a guy in the czech republic

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>>50186511
there's also this option

>>50186433
>>50186444
Wonder if people would mind me running 20 plaguebearers, herald and 5 nurgling bases using Militia rules until then? Plaguebearers as Levies, Nurglings as orgyns, and herald as a cult demagogue. Maybe Cult Horde and Tainted Flesh provenance.

>>50186336
Raven Guard or Word Bearers, though the latter are a bit more thematic (I always forget Sacrificial Offering isn't a WB-specific ROW).

>>50186575
I don't think anyone would really care if you used daemons, even if the rules haven't gotten there yet.

if they cared, they wouldn't be playing 30k in the first place

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Kicking off from that tidbit out of the last thread what units would you suggest for an assault focused Mechanicum and Questoris Knight army? Specifically I would want a very violent looking army as opposed to a neat an orderly one you might expect from a robot heavy list. I was thinking Ursarax backed up by Thanatars with Gravity Hammers but what else would you suggest?
Obviously Lancers and Acherons for the knights.

>>50186575
Unless your local community consists of diagnosed autists, you'll be fine using them with their actual rules as allies. Nurgle daemons aren't anywhere near a competitive choice, and it's very fluffy and fun.

>>50186467
Yeah, pretty chuffed

>>50186575

It's not like anyone ever actually uses actual zombie models for plague zombies.

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>>50186572
>>50186511
Now in Chaos edition for 200% more edge

>>50186575
Why not just use them as demons? Chaos Demons are the only 40k codex that can be used in 30k, just follow the AoD rules and you're set.

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>>50186587
I'm a big fan of the vorax models, they're really nasty looking little buggers. And good assault focussed rules. Might make a change from pure ursarax.

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>>50186500
Huh, I think not only the Mechanicus holds poses
>>50186543
I don't know. What is it, anon?

Dammit Perty is T H I C C

>>50184956

>army

Yes

>squad

Yes

>marine

Only for artificer armor or non production Mk V.

I have some Mk 7 legs and arms on my otherwise Mk4 Knight Errant or command squads for instance. I wanted to give them a more advanced tech look

>>50186667
>Why not just use them as demons?

Only WB and Militia can have daemons as allies.

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>>50186666
Damn. Witnessed.

>>50186575
If you are going to use a counts as warp cult as nurgle daemons use abhuman healots and Tainted flesh to give your army +1T, -1I, FNP 6+ and Fear.

It also lets you take Mutant spawn, and upgrade units to have discipline collars, which give stubborn and makes the whole unit explode on morale checks of double 6.

>>50186666
>beneath contempt
Satan, does that mean to the Traitors there's nothing personal about using their allies as fodder? And isn't this how IWs treat allies anyway?

>>50184956
>>50185025

I mix marks even on single marines. In fact, I don't believe I even have a single marine with a full suit of anything other than Mk V. Hurray for space hobos!

>>50186587
A domitar could fit quite well
Also multi melta thallax

>>50186670

The Mechanicum resin models look really good, but the big stompy robots are not my taste. These mantis guys and the little jump pack dual claw guys are so fucking cool though.

>>50186705
Abhumans make them Distrusted Allies for Marines, though I guess it's not a major problem. Levies already get collars.

No Children of Sicarus link yet? Or Corax.

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>>50186710
>And isn't this how IWs treat allies anyway?
Like Lorgar's, Perturabo's ideas were simply ahead of his time.

>>50186762
I dint think having a single unit of plaguebearers not being scoring would be a major issue.

>>50186336
>warp cults
Dont do the RG liberation force. Do Army of Dark Compliance, Sacrificial Offering, or just Warp Cult Militia. Any one of those is strictly better than the RG one.

>>50186483
>>50186500
I get why lorgar would have glowey eyes but why does perty have them
Did the eye of terra really fuck him up that bad?

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>>50186799
It's never bad to have the option.

>>50186786
Corax was posted about a month ago, I've got it in my computer, but am currently phone posting, will link it when I get home.

>>50186733
>>50186587
Would people lose their shit if I used Defilers as thanatars?

>>50186842
I can imagine people getting upset, but also people not really caring.

>>50186837
Thank you, anon.

>>50186577
>>50186511
>>50186440
>>50186438
>>50186828
>>50186790
Thanks for the input guys, I'm thinking Iron warriors is probably the way to go, but should I go for >>50186666 or just take an allied IW force and a numberless hoard of cultists and tanks.

>>50186903
If youre doing IW then you want your artillery to start on the field. Just ally a bunch of fearless militia cultists with zealot and rending.

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>>50186842
Eh
Why not convert it a bit with spider legs and have it be a part of scorias robot spider army

> can you hear the banshee scream?

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>>50186903
Maybe an army of Dark Compliance? They use mortals as fodder.

>>50186927
Looking through the cult book, I'm hard pressed to find anything more bullshit than auxilia ordnance batteries with discipline masters. But giving the whole army zealot stops them from firing...

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I legitimacy don't know why so many people like IW

Is it the autistic Primarch?
Is it the Siege engines?
Is it the hazard stripes?
Is it the saving your special unit stolen and improved by girlyman?
Or is it just the bitterness?

>>50186833
>Eye of Terra
That's Horus's sigil, Anon. Not an actual thing.

>>50186980
You want to ride the Ironfire

>>50186993
I think people like them for the stripes and the gritty trench diggers look.

>>50186993
Self loathing and artillery.

>>50186994
Spelling mistake, meant eye of terror
Apparently he felt like it was staring at him all his life

>>50186993
Big robots with hammers and shields

>>50187046
I don't think the Eye would give him glowing eyes. The artist probably feels like giving all of the Primarchs glowing eyes. Rowboat was the first.

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>>50186993
Because they want to replicate their inferior social lives, but replace Chad with Dorn.

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>>50186993
> the single most awesome a started that isn't alex is polux

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>>50186993
We keep going no matter how shitty it goes! Trenches and Siege engines for everyone!
>People stealing Tyrants
Say it with me, lads. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Also, why can't /You) get it? /HHG/ is literally the Dodekatheon.

>>50186970
>Army of Dank Compliance
What book is this from?
Its glorious!

>>50187109
> astartes
> alexis
> I fucking hate ipads

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>>50186993

>>50187120
HH6
>>50187127
I understood what (You) were trying to say, but not what you meant.

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>>50187084
>Implying IW don't have the best dating advice

>>50185126
>>50185153
>>50185214

Thank you, I've bern waiting.

I'm considering fulgrim + fabius bile + 7 sabre palatines in a land raider (phobos is the "ordinary" one, right, or does the phobos have a kit of its own?)

>>50187145
> space David duchovney is a better imperial fist than both the first captain and the primarch

He's kind of in a league of his own, but Kyr is a pretty close secon

>>50186993

Easiest paint scheme

>>50187191
Phobos is the schizo GW stock one

>>50187191
>sabre
please dont

>>50186786
Also looking for Childern of Sicarius

Here you have The Either audiodrama
http://www25.zippyshare.com/v/w66mjvBk/file.html

I tried to upload Corax here but 4chan does not support epub :(.

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>>50187198
Pfff, if (You) like him so much why don't you marry him?
Oh wait he's taken :^)

>>50186833
Blame the artist for the primarchs series, Guilliman and Russ have them as well

>>50187259
HE WAS PROMICED TO ME
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>50186786
>>50187235
Ok converted Corax to pdf, if you want epub you could just convert it back to epub

>>50186993
it's one of the few traitor legions that has legitimate reason to be upset with the emps and didn't go full baby murdering villain for the heck of it 2 minutes into the heresy .

>>50185027
>>50185271
>>50185363

I disagree - start with a gold base. Red over silver will give more of a Word Bearers shade of red.

Also, the other day I tried brushing Tamiya clear red over gold. It was an Epic-scale mini, so not necessarily conclusive, but it did work! I didn't get the weird curdling effect that a lot of Tamiya paints have if you try brushing them. (Like if you overheat milk, a thin solid layer forms on top - I don't know if it's because of using water instead of rubbing alcohol, or if it's brush-related. But it didn't happen this time.)

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>>50187386
Thanks anon

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>>50187084
>Will never leave you no matter what
All hail bolt weaponry. Most loyal of all weapons.

>>50187235
>>50186786
>>50187386
For Christ's sake.
Here's Corax in .epub, took me less than a minute to upload.
http://www55.zippyshare.com/v/c7Z81RHV/file.html

>>50186487
maybe, but surely you realise how tempting a spartan at approx $50 is? Or javelin land speeders for 20 odd dollars, or fellblades for 70 dorrar rather than 170 brexitdollars

>>50187428
I once had a plasma weapon, filthy skank tried to murder my hands, my bolter is best girl.

>>50185230
Every time i see emp's children, I just cannot unsee pretty marines.

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>>50186993

Nice color scheme, robots and loadsa bullets and SHELLS

t. served in field artillery

>>50187463
What personality would each weapon type have if they were space marine waifus?

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>>50187428
Yes, I remembered this comic. Bolt weapons are the most loyal of them all.

>>50187428
>>50187535
What comic is this? Damnation Crusade?

>>50187498

> Bolter
Dependable, easy-going, and loyal; boring and predictable in some respects but a good partner for life

> Plasma gun
A total hellion in bed, but you never know when you're going to touch a nerve and start a fight that might end in a murder-suicide

> Melta
She may not do much or do it often, but she's autistically devoted to one skill and WILL crush everyone if she gets the chance.

> Graviton
A weirdo clutz who breaks everything, and you can't seem to ever get away from her.

> Rotor cannon
Literally who

> Flamer
Your twink boitoi

> Xenos deathlock
Cocaine and hookers, you can survive small amounts but so help you God if you overdo it.

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>>50187497
Have some shells. Shells for EVERYONE COMBINED :D
>>50187498
Volkite weapons are in it for the CHOOM. And as I already said, bolt weapons are co-dependent and very loyal to their wielders.
You can end up with such great connection to them they'll even be willing to try some of that kinky specialist ammo.
>Hand-load me with some Scorpius bolts
>Rapid firing from 15"? Oh my!
>Uwaaa, my templates are covering how many? How embarassing!

>>50187406
That's the paint drying out on you, given that they're primarily dissolved in IPA they can dry really fast if you brush them on, it evaporates rather easily.

>>50187498
Volkite is an ara ara woman, and is high maintenance. She's worth it.

>>50186993
Because you could play however you wanted and it would still be fluffy

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>>50187613
>Volkite weapons are in it for the CHOOM
Fiery gals they are!

>>50187228
Why not?

Someone knows when FW will release Alpharius model?

>>50187910
That's correct.

>>50187910
When they cover the Solar campaign in 2018.

>>50187910
Every day.

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>>50187910
Already

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>>50187910
It was awhile ago, I'm surprised you have forgotten.

>>50187910
They only seem to release models when the primarch is personally involved in combat in a FW HH book.

Are Lernean Harrowers the only models that can actually take Venom Sphere Harnesses?

What's up with the AL not having any Loyalist character options? Even those rust licking Iron Warriors and stinky Death Guard get them.

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>>50187969
What would a combi-bolter's rate of fire be, 1200+? Vertical twin-linked bolters look great, but maybe a side-by-side configuration would make more sense for this fictional weapon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD4u_e2xjE4

>>50188091
>Implying someone would believe them
Let's remember how Autilon annoyed his IW allies so much they became loyalists. Lowkey loyalist himself

>>50188091
No loyalist legion gets traitors.

>>50188044
Yes. Real shame praetors and centurions in terminator armour aren't allowed venom sphere harness as well.

>>50188091
Because they are loyalists :^)

>>50188091
Because even they don't know what's going on.

>>50188103
what's the fucking point? this is just a waste of metal.

>>50187428
What comic is that from?

>>50185153
I'm something of a scrub, but how are charnabal sabres better than phoenix power spears? It seems like rending isn't consistent enough to compensate for being AP-. Maybe I'm just missing something though?

>>50188189
Phoenix power spears being shit is a /hhg/ specific meme.

I planned on mixing Mk3 marines in with MK4 ones for my Veteran squads but they look fricken weird together.

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>>50188185
Duh of course it is. Not even himself believes that "special operations missions" excuse, they're making it simply because it looks /k/ool, which isn't unlike 30k combi-bolters themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I3I6P9j2ag

>>50188091
The Alpha Legion hides its internal conflict well. It's pretty clear that some of them are helping the loyalist cause, but none of them announce themselves that way. Actual loyalists have no idea that they're receiving help from AL forces; they're loyalists disguised as traitors. There might even be loyalists disguised as traitors disguised as loyalists.

They've probably lost track of which side they were on.

>>50188103
>What would a combi-bolter's rate of fire be, 1200+?

Same as regular bolter, the barrels fire in unison. I'm pretty sure that's the difference between a combi and storm bolter. Combi-bolter is like any other TL weapon, where it fires both weapons with an increased chance of hitting the target, while a storm bolter fires the barrels consecutively, thus giving in a much higher rate of fire.

>look great

It looks like fucking kraut space magic.

>>50188519
>thus giving in a much higher rate of fire.
bringing back sustained fire when

indomitus being able to fire their bolters twice if they give up their movement when

>>50188519
>Tfw no Thousand Sons school of kraut space witchery.

>>50187418
What is this anime.

>>50187386
Hey, thanks for posting that. My friend's interested in the RG and has never read a WH40/30k book before.

Hopefully it's good!

If not, too bad!

>>50188142
DA will.

Choose Luther. Choose a future we can believe in.

>>50188972
I enjoyed reading it during an intercontinental flight, corax does get portrayed as a tragic hero, it makes him less of an emo and more like a bitter man that after losing everything is driven to the edge of madness and self destructive behaviour.

There's a bit of feels in there too.

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I'm assembling some Custodes, and a thought hit me.

Are there any good reasons not to use the Custodes shields as Vigil Pattern Storm Shields on my Imperial Fists terminators? They even look similar to the FW ones, just without the Fist motif.

trying to think of some nice and flavorful special rules for a homebrew campaign praetor

Im trying to think of something to represent an extremely tough Terran who has survived through the odds well into the heresy.


T5 + Eternal Warrior in challenges only? Trying to do something different

>>50189088
Well, some autist will complain about the double-headed eagle on it I'm sure.

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>>50189094
Roll up them dice!.

>>50189094
What's the campaign, legion, and tactics? Without details he can be anything from a genius backfield tactician to a Frontline combat master.

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Dantioch now Bears the Word!

>>50189088
>not buying an Alexus Pollux shield for all your IF models

STAY POOR PLEB

>>50186993
Point and click RoW with Iron Fire...even a retarded chimp could abuse this rite.

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>>50189258

>>50189157
List I'm building together is Siege of Terra Fists & Angels, so I'd imagine the double-headed aquila would be more appropriate for the timeframe.

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>>50189258

>>50189461
I am to this day glad my request got drawn.

Does anyone have the epub for Praetorian of Dorn? If so, please help a battle brother out.

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>>50180389
Now with some highlights!

>>50189904
I like it. Any plans for the arm?

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Aight /hhg/, I finally got there. I'm quite pleased.

>>50189932
The guy 2nd from the left looks like he's doing the classic DJ-waving-with-one-hand move.

>>50189976
I told Anon it looked like he experienced a tiring day at work.

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Victorus aut mortis!

Just finished these guys, all magnetized and stuff.

>>50189932
Noice, battlebro.

>>50189932
A little too blue for my taste but it still looks nice.

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>>50189932
>>50189976
>>50190012

Yah that's the best part about second hand models. Here's a better picture now that I stopped messing my with camera settings

>>50189976
>Let me hear every Astartes say hey-yooo
>Hey yooooo
>All the mortals say yeahh
>Yeaaah
>Everybody declaring for Horus fo this with your hand. Everybody in a lodge jump up and down.

>>50190038
Awesome man! I bet furious charge termies are fun.

>>50189928
He'll be holding the usual BaC crozius since he's destined to be a chaplain. I think on the next one (I have two BaC boxes) I'll convert the crozius into another pistol and make one of those cool chain-firing double pistol guys.

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>>50187490
Yes. I've always believed the PM home-brew was redundant. No one is lovelier than pre-slaanesh Fulgrim.

>>50190073
DJ Mixalot-addon?

>>50186483
I noticed all the artwork for this series have the primarchs without pupils in their eyes. Is this a thing

>>50190359
Apparently only for the series.

>>50186833
>>50190359
its not a thing in lore/most artwork. they probably just want to make the primarchs seem really inhuman/godlike for the series.

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Slow night, huh?

R8 my shattered legions list. It comes out to about 2600 points, and I'm thinking of adding a couple of flyers or artillery pieces to bring it up to 3000. I'm working on building the IF veteran squad right now out of BoP shit, and I'm wondering if there's a significantly better way to kit them out.

Shattered Legions – 260 pts – Imperial Fists and Blood Angels

-HQ-
Imperial Fists Praetor - 185
-Solarite Power Gauntlet
-Archaeotech Pistol
-Digital Lasers
-Iron Halo

Blood Angels Champion Centurion - 95
-Artificer Armour
-Jump Pack
-Blade of Perdition
-Refractor Field
-Melta Bombs

-TROOPS-
Legion Tactical Squad (IF) - 265
-10 Additional Legionaries
-Legion Vexilla
-Nuncio Vox
-Sergeant w/Artificer Armour and Power Sword

Legion Tactical Squad (IF) - 265
-10 Additional Legionaries
-Legion Vexilla
-Nuncio Vox
-Sergeant w/Artificer Armour and Power Sword

Legion Assault Squad (BA) - 210
-2 Power Weapons
-Sergeant w/Power Fist

Legion Assault Squad (BA) - 210
-2 Power Weapons
-Sergeant w/Power Fist

-ELITES-
Templar Brethren - 355
-4 Additional Templar Brethren
-9 Combat Shields
-Legion Vexilla
-Sergeant w/Solarite Gauntlet and Plasma Pistol

Land Raider Phobos Dedicated Transport - 250
-Extra Armour
-Armoured Ceramite

Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (IF) - 240
-5 Additional Marines
-Nuncio Vox
-Legion Vexilla
-Heavy Bolter
-Plasma Gun
-Sergeant w/Artificer Armour and Power Fist

-HEAVY SUPPORT-
Legion Heavy Support Squad (IF) - 160
-Missile Launchers

Legion Medusa (IF) - 140


-ALLIED DETACHMENT – LEGIO CUSTODES-
Custodian Guard Squad - 275
-2 Additional Custodian Guard

What if Skitarii legions got 30k rules?

>>50191462
I'd PERSONALLY either give the sergeants AA and power fists, or just a power sword by itself. either go whole hog or just keep him a cheap AP3 mulcher. but maybe that's because I've been memed into thinking it's optimal.

>>50191503
As much as I love skitarii, fuck no. This is the Horus Heresy.

Maybe throw some unit rules into the mech list, or preferably the cult nd militia rules, but otherwise fuck no.

>>50191503
Supposedly, they are.

>>50191462
Praetors are best with a Paragon Blade to take advantage of their higher initiative. Archaeotech pistol ar straight worse than plasma pistols, since you've got a 2+ save to avoid burning your face off and its good to be able to melt a terminator before you cut his unit to pieces.

Your BAngel has his pricing completely fucked, i make him to be 150 points. A potent beatstick, but might be worth having a BAngel praetor and fist centurion instead.

Give your tac sergeant a Power Fist, a power sword doesnt cut it on heresy characters. Maybe leave off the nuncio-vox for the moment until you get more barrage weapons

Assault squads are best if you use them at max size with combat shields, so they can walk through hails of fire and have a chance to shrug off heavy shit, then fight like terminators. ALWAYS give them artificer armour where available.

Templars are fine

For veterans, you can have 10 BS5 snipers for 160 points. Drop some upgrade and you have the most potent vets in the game. Heavy Bolters give you an additional shot or two for 20 points, not worth it usually. Same with Plasma Guns. Seriously, IF Sniper Vets are one of the best general use infantry units for their cost in the heresy, period.

Heavy support squad is fine

Overall, you'll get buttfucked without lube against anything with artillery or massed assault, so keep away from World Eaters and Iron Warriors. If someone shows up with three land raiders, much less a spartan or superheavy, you'll have trouble damaging them except with your meltabombs. Finally you have absolutely zero anti-air, which actuall matters since you can lose swathes of your army against Fire Raptors and such. Fluffy list that will have fun, but by 3k most people have two out of
-Deathstars
-Primarchs
-Superheavies
-Air superiority (a lightning, xiphon, fire raptor will rape you sideways)
-Massed armour
-Mechanicum Robots coming to stomp all over your fortifications

Cont

>>50191580
Screw you! Mechanicum needs more things.

Good things.

Things that aren't the Vulturax.

Things that aren't Unfinished Book tier.

>>50191593
>>50191462
It might be worth beginning a straight Imperial Fist army before you start workin on Shattered legions, since you can have less restrictive and complex rules. Imperial Fists are a strong legion with decent bonuses and amazing characters. A decent 1500 list to start you off and learn how2heresy would be
-sigismund using Pride of the Legion
-Templars in a Land Raider (your melee squad, stick siggy here and drive towards your enemy's warlord, letting siggy fuck them in half and gain bonus victory points for doing so)
-three veteran squads in rhinos or tactical blobs with apothecaries
-one unit of artillery, either an artillery tank or some quad mortars
Then you can see what weaknesses and strengths your army has and build from there. Near me, we usually build for at least one aircraft, often two, so i take a Xiphon or Deredeo every game. Even if your enemy lacks aircraft, they're potent against ground targets

>>50191580
In slightly old fluff, the Skitarii were infantry protection in Titan legions. Keeping the small threats away, basically.

>>50191611

The Vulturax is fucking sexy.

>>50191593
>>50191675
Thanks! I'll probably do pretty much what you're saying, and start with that 1500 pt PotL list. Still planning on squeezing some Bangel Assault marines in when I can (and I'll probably keep them to a kitted out full-size squad as you suggested), but everything you mentioned sounds a lot like what my first purchases were going to be anyways. Thanks for the other tips, too.

And I forgot to make the champion a regular consul with the Blade of Perdition. Points should be 115. Woops.

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>>50191879
Actually, on that subject, I'm trying to find some good combat shields for Heresy Blood Angels.

Left or right? Anyone have any other angelic shield providers?

>>50191711
Well according to FW skitarii are the Martian army and answer to the Fabbricator-General.

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>>50191711
Isn't that the Scutarii (shieldbearers), who are totally different from the Secutarii (pursuers)?

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>>50191462
You need a HQ for your Custodes, can't just have an allied detachment with a troops you know.

So what's coming out today from FW? I'm hoping for the Macrocarid Explorator.

>>50191812

He's probably a WAAC faggot who only plays Mechanicus because they're stronger than MEQ and only uses overpowered units. That's why he wants Mechanicus shit in "let's all have fun with our big FW tanks and marines: the game" to begin with.

Which legion best captures the World War I theme? Iron Warriors? Death Guard? Imperial Fists?

>>50192300
All of the above? They all share some inspiration for it, Imperial Fists a lot less than DG/IW. DG are probably the most thematic, since IW also have the whole greek thing going on

>>50192300
Honest tie between DG and IW. IW are all about trenches, artillery, and protracted sieges. DG are all about chemical warfare, making a slow advance across open ground, and wallowing in muck.

>>50188248
>>50188248
As in mix armour in a squad or model?

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>>50192355
>>50192349
Yes. Both DG and IW. Maybe some others too. I mean you could say WB/TS were nazi witchery or whatever.

>>50185027
Ignore people saying silver base.

Airbrush (its the only way to do it really) a base of Vallejo silver, the Vallejo gold, then tamiya clear red.

Don't attempt to use a paintbrush, it will look awful.

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>>50188248
>armour mixing
>[triggered]

To be fair, old Death Guard, apparently, wear MkIV with MkIII helmets. I sort of want to convert some. MkVI legs and all.

After modelling 32 marines tonight, remember kids- Super glue hates you just as much as you hate it.

Fuck what did I get myself into with four boxes.

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>>50192506

[huehuehue intensifies]

>>50192533

Do yourself a favor and get Loctite gel control. I used to use other brands, which are just as good in terms of bond quality, but application was a pain, especially for liquids or runny gels.

Loctite gel is pretty much a mushy solid. Just put a drop on the joint, and squeeze the parts together. The viscosity will hold the parts together with a bond stronger than gravity, so you don't have to worry about the part falling off. You can even bump it ever so lightly and it'll stick. Then let it sit for 5-10 minutes and you get a rock solid bond.

No more having to prop up and tack parts in weird angles or having glue drip everywhere.

>>50192533
>He doesn't know how to use super-glue
>and he is a trip fag
Priceless, you fucking moron.

>>50192533
Do me favour and kindly neck yourself, we don't need any more of your autism and lack of intelligence.

Do it for your ancestors

>>50192533
That is also why plastic is superior to resin. Instead of your fingers being ruined by superglue you're high on the fumes !

>>50192640
>>50192658
duh, baited. I bet you guys also believe anything Alpharius says.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Mechanicum-Macrocarid-Explorator

>>50192694
Not a fan of the armoured dune tractor look, i definitely prefer the pain train.

>>50192580
>Imperial Fists drop nice loot

Anyone have the How to Paint Burning of Prospero epub?

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>>50192533
>assembling BoP marines
>super glue

What's a good set up for a Contemptor in a mostly infantry AL force?

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>>50192826
>do not acknowledge tripfags
>do not reply to tripfags
>hide and filter tripfag posts

>>50192672
Y-you j-just got baited haha anon, i really got you,i was just pretending.

fuck off retard.

>>50192873
As in, a big part of ignoring someone is not responding to their comments no matter how stupid or enlightened they are, dumbass.
(You) should follow >>50192837 's advice

>>50192860
>barrels are still undrilled

What the fuck, dude.

>>50192930
What's even worse, is some of the barrels have bits of the frame they came in.

>>50192826
>using plastic glue

I don't know what's more pleb, needing a separate glue for metal and resin, or not having any non-plastic models at all.

>>50193005
nigger i use 10 different kinds of glue for use on every material, including 4 different plastic glues for different kinds of plastic and 3 super glues

>>50193051
not even mentioning accelerants and 2 part epoxies of different consistencies and cure times

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>>50193005
>lol you fucking pleb you use different tools for different jobs

Neck yourself.

>>50192672
Kindly bait your neck into a whalers sights, hambeast.

BTW 4chins is just a meme, you don't actually need to grow that many to get in, and if you did covering them with the pubescarf you call a beard wouldn't count.

>>50193005
I'll give you a hint.

It's the one that requires you to waste hundreds of dollars on resin, like a NEET nip with nothing to live for but for his waifu statues.

Rather than being a grown ass man, and doing what's expected of you by every other grown ass man and woman barring the shriveled one you live with and shaving that fucking throat beard.

The more uncomfortably close to the skin you bring the razor, the better. Don't worry if you start bleeding.

It's what your ancestors would want.

>>50193137
Speaking of being a beta, how triggered would you be if somebody used plastic space marine bikes as outriders. I mean technically the attack bike is kosher for 30k...and I'm not feeling like dishing out $150 for 6 toy bikes no matter how cool they look.

Because they do look cool.

>>50193264
The bikes are fine. It's the marines riding them that don't fit well in 30k.

>>50193279
Oh the chest, heads, and shoulders will be replaced with mk4.

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>>50193295
What about their legs?

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I like terminators, dreadnoughts and big tactical blobs

I can't choose between Death Guard and Iron Warriors

>>50193264
Use as long as it's the right size base, use Hormagaunts or crayons if you want. I'll still play a game with you. Fuck, print it out and tape the cutouts to paper bases that are the right size and I'll still play you. What matters is that we have fun. Not that you spent a thousand dollars on misery models to mask the pain and failure like the Namefag.

Angry White Faggot is calling people plebs for saving money, like an adult. If you don't have the money to responsibly buy 6 toy bikes, don't. If you like the look of Space Marine bikes and have the money for resin, buy the plastic kits anyway because you like them.

>>50193368
*Use whatever as long as

>>50193360
Deathguard get terminators as heavy support and get the coolest chaos conversion junk. In the form of Nurgle blessings.

>>50193360
Do you prefer robots or alchemy?

>>50193388

I like all robots, artillery, damaged power armor and chemical weapons

>>50193360
deathguard player here
we got them scythes
we got that move trough cover ROW for blobs

>>50193279
Speaking of bikes. Outriders come in Mk IV, but I want them in III. Can I just buy some Mk III and sit them there? Would it require any conversion work?

>>50193402
I know, anyone who doesn't like that isn't a complete person.
IW can field a substantial amount of Mechanicum robots via Cortex Controllers if you're into that.
Death Guard are more for massed infantry, although IW aren't behind in that regard, it's just that DG get more infantry buffs while IW get more advantages when using armour.
If you're unable to pick one, base your choice on fluff and models.
I still can't decide between SoH and AL, but leaning more to the latter because of the fluff.

>>50193435
Do a shattered legion then, if you cant decide

Whats the best loadout for a Cataphractii Praetor?

>>50193444
Hear the IV trips

>>50193444
It's already been suggested and, while not a bad idea, I can't divide my loyalty. I find Alpharius more likeable than Horus even if he's a smug dick to everyone. I also like that sort of people in real life, it may have to do with my own character (flaws).

Guys, I want to expand my HH list - I have two Calth boxes and a Prospero one, and want to add some cool stuff but don't like working with resin.

Can I easily convert Heresy Predators etc from 40k ones? What about the Scorpius Whirlwind, would proxying it with a Hunter/Stalker be OK?

And what's the deal with Blackshields, how do I use them?

>>50193428
You need MkIII biker legs and arms. Or it'll just be MkIV with MkIII torso and helmet.

>>50193435

Can IW field Thanatars? I think I read somewhere that they only have access to castellaxes and thallaxes.

>>50193360
Death Guard. We need more variety in these threads.

>>50193490
not thanatar, but they can take castellax, domitars, vorax and Iron circle automata

>>50193360
Death Guard got good support for blobs in either 5+ cover in the open (Creeping Death) or Move Through Cover (The Reaping). They all get 4+ FNP vs. Poison and re-roll dangerous terrain tests, so Phosphex is not as bad for their health.

In terms of terminators, they got Heavy Support Grave Wardens (cataphractii with 2 shot 18" grenade launcher with krak and poison blast grenades, chem flamer and the ability to fire Overwatch), regular terminators and Deathshrouds as Elites, HQ and bodyguard (2 wound tartaros with power scythe, chem hand flamer, access to melta-bombs and they're all characters, so great for protecting your characters).

Death Guard here, everyone says The Reaping is great for blobs; no it isn't, your 20 man blob can't run at all. They're so fucking vulnerable on a full size board that it works best with transports

>>50193470
>Predators
In the heresy, you can use both forms. Remember that Deimos is just a certain kind of predator, and the mars pattern is just as viable.

>Whirlwind
Don't really see a problem with it, they fit well enough as a proxy, especially the stalker (looks a little funny but that's just me).

>Blackshields
The abandoned/outcast/dindu legion, Blackshields are probably the most customizable legion since they start with shit and almost everything has to be bought for them. They have some pretty neat benefits they can take, with +1 S/T being the biggest to most people. If you're asking because of the 90 fuckin' marines you have, just know they don't come stock with bolters. Check out the 1d4chan page to really get a look at them.

>>50193472
Yeah, that was my main grip with the idea. Obviously, since the legs and arms are "posed", resin or plastic Mk III isn't a good option, but I wanted to know if someone had tried it before and if the result was good.

Since FW doen't seem to have those Mk III parts, I think I will leave it be and try something else.

Thanks.

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>>50193737
You could do mkii bikers. Kromlech makes nice segmented legs. You could convert them into mkiii if you feel up to challenge too.

>>50189258
How did you get that red?

>>50193826
>>50189258
Seconded, I want a nice dark red for my DarkMech army and that looks about perfect.

Eeek! With the pound rapidly climbing vs my moose bucks I am glad I bought all my FW stuff when I did.

>>50193674
>Death Guard here, everyone says The Reaping is great for blobs; no it isn't,
Is it a good idea to bring Move Trough Cover Assault squads with apothecaries and rad grenades now that they became cheaper and apothecaries got jum packs as an option?
I mean, Mortarion geneseed allows (You) to use jump packs in ZM, the madmen.
Or what is your list?

Dubs choose my legion and allegiance.

>>50194625
Warmachine

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>>50194625
No. No chicken dinners for you today. Pick your own legion and allegiance.

>>50194641
But...victory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4kAnM_2FAo
This thread was a little slow, huh.

>>50194625

Loyalist night lords

>>50194625

Traitor Ultramarines

Praetor named Brutus

>>50194625
traitor word bearers

>>50194625
traitor sons of horus

>>50194777

Trips of dinners

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>>50185652
>>50185600
>>50185830
Alright, so i am the guy who originally posted about this, and have come up with pic related. This makes head hunters a kill team style unit, with good mid ranged shooting, and some interesting assault options

Not too sure about the pricing though

>>50194555
I've read this is handy considering the improvement, but I've not used them so ymmv

>>50194839
I disagree on the dual power daggers, and PE(Characters) will never come into effect since they'll LoS! the shots, while Banestrike remains unchanged.
Also, Thunderhammer, flamers and melta guns don't banestrike me as fluffy for them.
By the way, why can't Saboteurs join Headhunter/Seeker/Recon squads?

>>50194839
2+ on everyone, BS5, dual daggers and ammo that ID? Easy there killer. Way over the top.

Give them PE(Characters, Infantry), and banestrike ammo for all their bolt weapons to start with. Maybe that assassin rule that has -2 to LoS! rolls.

Add to the OP
If you want to go on a AngryWiteGuy tirade go to the discord and as long to be put in the 'race traitor' channel where you're welcome to post anything you like about him :^)

>>50194909
(You) guys have a very strange concept of ignoring people.

>>50194912
>>50194912
The guy is a walking strawman and he can't be ignored, just filtered out

apparently ashen circle are pretty meh
but do they become any better as troops with dark channeling when zardu is the warlord?

main idea is to have my last of the serrated sun ROW with gal vorback and ashen circle deep striking to kill shit while zardu along with his blade slaves, pink horrors, flamers and Be'Lakor charge up the board

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My Shapeways breacher shields came in! Needed to do a little milliput work to position the arm properly so I tried to make it look like the usual join tubing marines have.

>>50194777
So if they're traitors to the Sons of Horus they're actually loyalist Luna Wolves, right?

>>50194901


Twenty five Points each

Currently they're worse terminators/Templars who hit at S3 but can instant death people at AP3, oh no.

>>50194889
The PE mainly is for challenges, though it also works against units of all characters (eg deathshrounds, and nobz).

I thought they got MG, flamers and TH as is? maybe i am wrong.

>By the way, why can't Saboteurs join Headhunter/Seeker/Recon squads?
same reason exodus cant join seekers: just 'cos

>>50194901
Eh, they are more expensive than seekers, and are str 3 in CC. not a bad call on the -2LoS though, maybe down to -1, seeing as he is a special character

>>50194625
Biel-tan

>>50195069
>The PE mainly is for challenges
So, the run of the mill Headhunter basically sucks while the Prime is expected to carry on the team in melee? Give them PE(Infantry)
And they only have Heavy bolters and combi weapons, I don't know what a Missile Gauncher is.
>jus 'cos
:'(((((((((((((((((((((((((

>>50195016
And? Artificer armor is worth 10 points. Take a Seeker profile for the BS5 and Marked for death/special ammo and add 2+ and its 30 points. Add Daggers thats 40.

Special units should get a slight discount and if theyre pure melee oriented, a bigger one. But hot damn that's some savings.

They also have access to powerful shooting and upgrades. That makes them better than Templar alone. All Templar have are 2+ furious charge and a power sword. No wher enear the kit these proposed Head Hunters would have.

Is Ordunatus worth it?

>>50195122
>So, the run of the mill Headhunter basically sucks
3 attacks at ap 3 with rending isnt the worst (twice as good as 3 attacks with your fists). amusingly, they dont do aweful against multi-wounds terminators: rending and ID is a good combo

>>50195146
Seekers also get fucking Scorpio rounds. that and the blast rounds means they can, at ranged, engage a grater range of targets

>>50195153
Do you want to put your opponents on a two turn clock?

Can I use Alexis Polux's "Void Commander" special rule to Deep Strike rapiers?

>>50195016
They're too good at too many things for that points cost. There's melee legion-specifics at around 25 points that may be on a par with your rules, and ranged legion-specifics, but if you want both on the same unit the price has to go up. Especially as you've given them 5 fucking special rules on top of LA, I mean does any legion-specific unit get that many special rules?

>>50195161
> a t . r a n g e
>>50195163
Only Infantry.

>>50195168
Yes, that came out as moving the goalposts because I didn't define quite them earlier, so, sorry about that.
But thing is I think Headhunters should outperform Sniper Vets AND Seekers at range.

>>50195168
>getting butt blasted over typos
go away