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What if I play a hawkguard warder instead?

So I want to make a Warlord, what's the strongest archetype for Warlord?

Any new shit in the paizo books any good?

>>50164394

>paizo
>good

lmao

>>50164372
None of them are likely to be strong enough to change your shitty attitude, unfortunately.

>>50164411
>>50164394
There are plenty of things that are fine that Paizo has made, contrary to shit posting. It's that there is also a lot of garbage.

>>50164394
>>50164411
>implying a wouldn't play the shit out of a system that was designed by whoever did the math for the advanced class guide (swashbuckler not counting)

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Is anyone else excited for the Nirmathas AP? It sounds like we'll finally get to play proper conscripts engaging in gorilla warfare against an organized military force!

Don't even have to mention Nirmathan guys and girls are cute, and the after-campaign quest hook *will* be about Molthune!

>>50164444

That's really the problem with a lot of their books these days. A page or two with strong or thematically interesting options, and the rest, nothing.

From last thread, what tier would you say the Strange Magic classes are?

>>50164495
It's bloat so that they can jew people out of money every month.

>>50164495
Pazio tends to do "options that are mechanically bad but might be interesting, then 1 option that had some actual math behind it and is good".

It kinda sucks because there is a lot of shit, but the things that pazio has really screwed up are somewhat rare compared to things like broken blade.

>>50164527
>but the things that pazio has really screwed up are somewhat rare compared to things like broken blade.

KINETICIST

>>50164534
WARPRIEST

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>>50164527
>but the things that pazio has really screwed up are somewhat rare compared to things like broken blade.
?

>>50164534
DON't START THIS AGAIN

>>50164554
are you saying a warpriest is good or bad?

>>50164554
>>50164534

In contrast, remember how like 90% of the people here casually regarded the Vigilante as a shit class with a hyper-focus and poor mechanics?

And then it became one of the more endearing classes in the lineup, on par with Slayer or Brawler?

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I had a very fun session last night.

Tell me about your last session and the funnest thing that happened in it!

>>50164575
It was going to be back in the playtests

>>50164600
the wizard teleported us all to the wizards tower. She rolled a 100 on the % and we ended up at the evil wizards tower.

three characters died. It was awesome.

>>50164607
mr. warpriest is fucking amazing dude.

>>50164301
What do you keep in your inventory?

I've got 100 gp worth of chocolate in mine.

>>50164834
43 caimans.

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>>50164834
I keep Autism in it.


My best list, for a party of 4.

>>50164834
Blackmail material.

>>50164834
>What do you keep in your inventory?

Bachelor's snuff

>>50164475
>>50164444
>>50164411
Was looking for specific examples guys, like some feat that makes a new build viable or a magic item thats nice or some archetype that lets you pull of some crazy multiclass druid/gunslinger/cleric build. You know, the specific good stuff, i know full well the overall average isn't going to be awesome.

>>50164834
An entire longship... don't ask, i didn't.

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>>50164600

Well, we rescued the skald from a terrible fate at the hands of deep one hybrids-that was pretty fun. We then took the fight to their leader, only to be confronted by his pet, some kind of horrible mutant troll-thing. It was a tricky fight, but eventually, we killed the leader, the mutant, and the remaining deep ones, and burned the whole horrid village to the ground.

We also met a new PC, made to replace our cleric who had been killed by the fishmen. She's a druid, with some sort of connection to our witch.

>>50164301
Wait, what is so strong about Broken Blade, EFlux, and Shattered Mirror on a OD/ZS warder? Can this be explained to me? I am kind of lost.

>>50164834
>Dickass CN rogue playing his first game picks your pockets
>Beats your perception easily every time, but all he ever gets is melted chocolate on his hands
Sounds great.

>>50165000
Upon discovering this she beats the offending party senseless for messing with her stash.

>>50164976
Dunno. ZS Warder is pretty fucking powerful though and Broken Blade can deliver some pretty high damage.
Eflux and Shattered Mirror I'm not really sure about, heck imo those 3 disciplines don't synergize well at all.

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>>50164600
Our necromancer found a huge pile of rotting corpses in a temple, reenactment the thriller music video with the party rogue:
>Party in investigating how an entire city sans the local goddesses temple disappeared
>Only people left are a bunch of dwarves, who claim to be the royal guard, and one who is king
>After, through shenanigans with invisibility and messing with corpses, we drove a guy bonkers and he confessed to the "vengeful spirits" that the king wasn't really the king and he had done something to remove the town and witnessed(kill them)
>that night, after almost being caught by said kings guards after the guy went nuts, the team necromancer and rogue check the place while invisible
>Over hear king blatantly say he wished the town away and for himself to be king
>Wants is dead
>Start heading back, but the we find it
>A pile of skeletons 15 feet high
>Plan is formed, messages related to other members, and it happens
>It was close to midnight
>Suddenly a wave of skeletons 100 strong(1hd each but they just swarmed the fuck outta everything)
>Necromancer and rogue riding the wave
>Horde of wailing undead fly through the temple killing anyone involved in the conspiracy
>Party meets up to confront king
>About to get answers
>Literally wishes himself out of existence
>We aren't even mad
>Ends soon after that, everyone laughing at the image of a ratfolk and Kobold riding a wave of skeletal hands
Good times

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?505598-Pathfinder-Devils&p=21377563#post21377563

Non-Baatezu devils, yay or nay?

So if I gestalted a Druid and a Paladin (ignoring alignment restrictions) would I be able to Smite people as a bear?

>>50165029
>>50164976
Elemental Flux has some really strong stances (Elemental Flux Stance and Enter The Vortex)
Shattered Mirror has Reflected Blade Style, which is a boost that initiates a strike you just used but on a separate enemy with so many feet.
Broken Blade has Bronze Knuckle and Steel Flurry Strike, a boost and a strike that when used together deal three attacks at full attack bonus -2, deal 5d6+2 each hit and all ignore hardness and DR.

Any one of those is fine, but it's when you use them together that it makes a very strong offense, which the heavily defense focused class features of a OD/ZS compliment

>>50165084
Yes but you'd be insanely MAD

>>50165127
Only STR, CON, WIS and CHA (with dex helping AC and no skill unless you bump up that INT)

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>>50165106
What about Zenith Strike+Reflected Blade Style?

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>>50165112

>>50164600
The party chained up their wildcard of a party member, offered him a way to redeem himself and he refused. He managed to break the magical chains, but not the physical ones, and began shuffling away. The elven sniper blew his legs out from under him, and when she noticed he was still alive, got a crit on the headshot to put him down.

They then rounded up his remains, threw all the bits into some sacks, rode away from town, dug a ditch, threw the sacks in there and threw their blood-soaked cloaks on top of them, then buried it all.

He's already been resurrected by the BBEG as a minion.

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What are the best Touch and Self-Target spells for a level 5 witch focused on buffs? I'm building one that has the familiar do all the work and delivery all the magic, as a gag character.

>>50165149
I don't get the memeing about RZS+RBS.
There's no extra damage or anything. All it has is that it's a near guarantee for doing 2x weapon damage (that can't crit).
Other disciplines have multi-full BAB hits, even outside of broken blade. All that Zeniths do is make the "second" hit a lot more likely to hit (you shouldn't be missing with the first hit anyways).

I'll guess the zeniths are seen as "too good" more due to them being the primary damage dealing maneuver of scarlet throne and sharing the same skill check as the (admittedly great) counters that the discipline has.

>>50165127
I want this so badly now, give me the holy bear!

>>50165142
Could accomplish the same by being a lunar oracle

Then you can get cha to AC too

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>>50165112

>>50165218
Be a lunar oracle / paladin instead imo

>>50165219
>>50165238
Bearmind

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>>50165112
>playing as attractive people

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>>50165255
>Not playing a dog.

>>50164834
Jars of honey. Don't spoil as long as they're sealed.

Also, powdered milk. Just because it keeps long doesn't mean it's gotta be dry flavorless RATIONS.

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>>50165293
>tfw no good bug races

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>>50165112
Magical Child kitsune archer, worshiping the Wily Linguist. He's all about holding up his end of contracts.

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I want to play a Dvati character who can fuse together to become more powerful, but I don't want to dip that far in psionics ;=;

>>50165360
Skybourne had one, but well
>Skybourne
Yeah

>>50165409
Alteration Handbook for Spheres has Fusion

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>>50165185
Fortune+Cackle+scar is a fantastic combo for buffing witches; a cackling hag's blouse helps with the cackling too.

Fpr spells, the typical enlarge person, ironskin, heroism, and fly are all good. Debuffing key enemies can be as good or better than buffing, and Witches are really good at that. Ill omen has no save and can make enemies susceptible to everyone's spells and abilities.

If you're going to use your familiar a lot to deliver touch spells you might also want to consider being a winter witch. You can make any touch spell be considered a cold spell, letting you specialize in those and raise the DCs to really high levels. Once you get the duplicate familiar spell and familiar spell metamagic there will be almost no risk to your actual familiar or yourself and things can get pretty crazy.

Incidentally, cheesy usage of duplicate familiar, familiar spell and optimized blasting was how I once made a Megumin-like sorcerer who used all of their spells in one day to do absurd amounts of damage.

Hi people, has anyone here tried the automatic bonus progression rules from Unchained? I want to use them, possibly for a Reign of Winter campaign where they are tied to the PCs assuming the mantle of Black Midnight.

Would you play a game where PoW classes are banned, but initiating archetypes and Martial Training are allowed?

>>50165420
Ooh, and that seems to only require a CL of 5. I think I can use that, even if it is five levels eaten.

>>50165481
Tried it in a campaign a while ago.

The issue with it is that there's no customization and it's actually hard for a GM to properly gift characters fun items when they're trying to slot into a much smaller WBL pool. It's good if you as a GM enjoy being stingy with your loot, but for a standard GM it's more hassle than it's worth and feels bad for everybody.

>>50165481
The problem is that it's a nerf; the bonuses come much later in a character's career then if they had bought the equivalent item.

>>50165502
Or just a few feats with Basic and Advanced Magical Training, though granted it won't come online until 10th level

>>50165492
Sure, options like Myrmidon, Hidden Blade, and Polymath/Warpath Follower are great fun.

>>50165461
Appreciate it

>>50165347
I understand that Reflected Blade Style is /really/ strong, I just don't understand why the zeniths are called out as OP when Broken Blade, Fool's Errand, Riven Hourglass and Mithral Current all have multistrikes. And that's before charge shenanigans with Primal Fury, or a well co-ordinated team using Golden Lion to throw down tons of attacks. Why just Scarlet Throne?

>>50165492
I guess. I mean, Myrmidon is my favorite PoW, so if I was desperate I'd play in it.
Though I do prefer casters

>>50165533
>The issue with it is that there's no customization and it's actually hard for a GM to properly gift characters fun items when they're trying to slot into a much smaller WBL pool.
Doesn't the characters getting the same essential bonuses regardless of how much gold they have mean that sticking to WBL becomes less important?

>>50165492
I want to be an initiating anti-paladin anyway.

>>50165633
On that note, are there any fun fighter archetypes which work with Myrmidon?

>>50165671
Lore Warden and Mutation Warrior spring to mind.

>>50165579
Someone clearly has a grudge.

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>>50165646
Sure, but a lot of the game's assumptions are built around the customization your character goes through, and it still expects you to have an upper limit.

Plus, it just isn't FUN, and that's what we're really here for. the only time I'd recommend giving plays Automatic Bonus Progression is when you're running a low magic campaign where that sort of shit is hard to get in the first place. Might be fun if you're trying to emphasize warriors and sweep spellcasters under the rug.

>>50165533
>>50165646
Yeah, the point of autoprogression systems means that people CAN have fun items. You shoulder slot isn't welded to a cloak of goddamn resistance.

It also frees up DMs to make their parties less of an economic fucking event horizon, since they don't need to be wearing the entire GNP of a small mercantile country by level 10.

>>50165712
>implying level 10 PCs aren't 1-man autonomous nation-states.
>implying that GDP isn't on par for them.
Parties are like international alliances after a certain point.

>>50165534

Does it impact the PCs chances that much? Most Paizo APs aren't that hard.

And yeah, balancing the remaining loot according to the standard WBL progression may be a pain in the ass. That is the major reason I have not tried it so far.

>>50165838
Actually funny thing is under Pathfinder's downtime rules largish companies make absolutely retarded amount of money. The lumber consortium makes something like 18 million gold per year.

List out quality of life magic items!

Stuff like Handy Haversacks, Portable Holes, Decanters of Endless Water, Marvelous Pigments, Traveler's Any Tools, etc.

I need to make a list of my "Quality of Life" items.

>>50164600

Not a good session here. Party had some minor shopping to do to start, and everyone kept it concise. Except for one player, who somehow dragged out his shopping to an hour and a half, second guessing himself, double backing on decisions, taking an eternity to look up every choice, sidetracking into political debates etc. When we were able to finally move onto the quest at hand the same player went on to OOC veto every course of action anyone proposed to tackle the current obstacle because it didn't align perfectly with his character's skill ranks. 4 hours later and nothing really accomplished. No one died though, that's a plus.

>>50166178

A horse, tents, hot stones or whatever they're called... just look up stuff you think might be comfy.

>>50166126
Does it account for corruption, taxes, roving monsters, etc?

>>50166234
It accounted for taxes, not corrupting or monsters. Even if corruption/masters cuts their profits in half they still outpace a level 20 character by a factor of 10 each year.

>>50166178
Air Crystals!

following up from the last thread because i didnt get a reply.

Im making an Intimidate focused unchained ninja with the 3rd party Konran and Bandit archetypes. Im not sure if i should go two weapon fighting and piranha strike or something else like sap master. so my 1st and 3rd level feats are up in the air.

the go to plan is to land a sneak attack, trade off some sneak attack damage to make the opponent shaken, then follow up with full sneak attacks with shatter defenses. Thoughts?

Insistent Benefactor

Benefit: Whenever you cast a harmless spell, you gain a +2 trait bonus on caster level checks to overcome spell resistance, and the saving throw DC of the spell (if any) is increased by 2.

Does it work with enchantment spell like Sleep, Hideous Laughter and the like?

>>50166285
Don't think so. The spell would have to have (harmless) listed by its save information, which none of those have.

>>50166256
Honestly sap master is pretty damn bad, you'll be better off with TWF. You can open sneak attacks using flanking, you shouldn't have to rely on on shatter defenses. Plus shaken isn't a super strong condition (don't get me wrong it isn't bad, but not super).

>>50166245
what about druids?

>>50166361
What about druids?

>>50166285
Those aren't Harmless ya git.

It's for people with spell resistance you want to help, like a monk you wanna slap a heal on or something.

>>50166377
Even then, SR can be freely suppressed as long as you're conscious

Build Help?
Paizo and DSP
Level 3 Angel-Blooded Aasimar, Oath of Vengeance Paladin with 20 Point Buy.

I really just need some feat suggestions. I'm not used to a higher level of play and my DM is doing a mini-campaign that will most likely escalate to level 10 at an alarming rate and I wouldn't like to slow the group down.

Free Feats (If I qualified for them): Power Attack, Combat Expertise, Weapon Finesse

>>50166407
It takes an action though dude. And lowers it for a round. To everything.

You can't choose to let individual effects past your SR as they happen.

>>50166418
I'm currently thinking of grabbing Fey Foundling and Greater Mercy for sustainability as I don't think our party is going to have anyone really capable of healing, so Ideally I can keep myself alive.

>>50166418
>>50166437
Not going silver crane?
If not, I wouldn't bother too much with Lay on Hands buffing unless you can boost the numbers. Wands of CLW will be your friend here.
What kind of weapon build are you going? S&S? 2her?

>>50166459
Probably 2h, Greatsword. I'm open to suggestions. Only think I'm really unwilling to change is Oath of Vengeance, for backstory reasons. Race/Point Buy/Weapon are all open to suggestion. I wouldn't mind trying something I'm not accustomed to.

Has the new Crimson Throne hardcover being released yet?

>>50166478

Yep check like 3 threads back. Maybe 4

>>50166475
Could do martial training and get some silver crane if you want to help supplement your healing.

>>50166488
Thanks brah!

>>50166459
Lay on Hands is a swift when targetted on yourself, so its very good for keeping yourself alive.
>>50166418
Consider the save boosting stuff like Iron Will as on top of your divine grace you should become near impossible to fail saving throws at that point. Extra Lay on Hands if you end up taking damage a lot.
Martial Focus would let you take Difficult Swings which makes the ground around you difficult terrain for enemies when you full attack, useful if you find yourself often dealing with hordes of maneuverable ground foes.

>>50166533
Thanks, good suggestion.

>building a 16th level cleric
God damn this game gets batshit crazy so fast.

>>50165708
Yes.

post yfw the party is all bunched up right as the enemy throws a maximized fireball at them and they all fail their reflex saves

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>>50166488
Nope, couldn't find. Might need some help in locating it.

Pic related is /pfg/ being /pfg/

Is it just me or did this thread became strangely reasonable all of sudden?

>>50166682
It was about a week or two ago? Might want to check the PDF Sharing thread, or the one before that; I definitely remember that someone called out the Mr. Grumpers asshole for the PDF.

>>50166692

As it turns out, when you simply ignore things that rub you the wrong way and only discuss things that make you curious or happy, the thread becomes much more positive.

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>>50166615

>>50166733
More like when mods come and wipe everything clean. But yeah, that too.

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>>50166615

>>50166682

https://youtu.be/8DYje57V_BY

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>>50166615

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>>50166615
Time to bury my old character.

>>50166780
That's cute, where's it from?

>>50166799

Kancolle, aka Ship Sluts.

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>>50166804
Well, I was going to watch that for Karen eventually anyways...

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>>50166783

That's funny, I do that dance whenever my character gets hit into the negatives too.

It's odd how I can switch from being invested in a character's well-being to cackling at their cracking bones in maybe two seconds flat. I'm fine with a little suffering, in fact I'm fine with a lot of suffering*.

*Only if the DM brings it up to me first so I can see if it'll work well in the plot - even something cliche like, "I want to mindbreak your fiance and murder your parents" can be played well with a little prep-time!

>>50166716
Thanks heaps brah, managed to find it. Keep being awesome.

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>>50166615

>>50166837

Kongou best girl and I will stab anyone that insults her virtue.

Hows the Zealot class from PoW?

Is there a way to gain a dragon mount through polymorph? I want to ride a dragon and sling lightning while on its back.

>>50166865
>I want to ride a dragon and sling lightning while on its back.

The Nameless King earned his dragon mount through decades of friendship and raw martial might. Grab Leadership and Monstrous Mount and start nagging your DM about becoming a dragon rider.

>>50166858
mega OP

>>50166876
I considered that but theres already two players in the party that have leadership. I'm also a sorc which is why im asking if theres some magical shit I could do for that.

>>50164600
The DM had us all die to a trio of liches with advanced templates in a dungeon where the floor kept disappearing into the astral plane.

We had a blood kinectist, a crafting wizard going necromancer, a champion of iroeae(Monk/paladin prestiege class) or whatever it is, a bolt ace, a cleric also going into a necromancer build, and an NPC fighter.

The fight lasted for 2 hours, and our heavy hitters needing a 15+ to hit touch.

Then when we all died, we woke up infront of the dungeon with all our shit.

We lost a total of a month in game from that dungeon and we left the session pissed because the GM calculated the dungeon for an additional 3 more players who left the game weeks ago.

>>50164834
Bowling balls, 10ft staves, bags of flour, sacks/small sacks of dirt mixed with chili powder, and pitons with rope.

>>50166932
>He didn't scale it down since then
Your GM is dumb.

>>50167041
He said mechanically it was still equal to us since he scaled down the Liches' AC and gave them each a single maximized fireball instead of multiple.

Not to mention he said it didn't count as actually killing us and warned half the party (The ones who didn't want to go in) that the dungeon was dangerous and might result in a TPK.

Sadly, our paladin/monk charged in saying the loot is too good to pass up.

Once he died he then said we should have never went in and instead continued our quest of saving the princess from fantasy storm troopers and fantasy kylo ren.

>>50167085
It doesn't sound like he did a good enough job of scaling the dungeon down, especially if he had multiple liches throwing out spells that would be doing 30 damage if you passed your saves.

What level were you all?

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Yo /pfg/, does anyone want to duo app for that spicy new campaign on Myth-Weavers? It's level 10 with 25 PB and PoW support!

>>50167108
We're all lv9 with an additional 2 level for auto progression bonuses. Originally the party was supposed to be made of Tier 4 classes only but he got rid of the restriction when we had 2 PC deaths in the span of 5 sessions.

We also have to do 4D6 and got to put them where ever, and we could make any characters from any setting using Pathfinder rules, but first party only unless he approves (Which for the most party, only Tier 4 or less stuff is approved) then the new PC is thrust into the world via planar bullshit and all local monsters automatically are drawn to him/her and wants to maul them to death for 6 months in game, or less if they can figure out how to cloak their scent.

Party that is with us so far is:

Bloodbender from Legend of Korra who is trying to become an international information broker.

Aasimar champion of Iorae who comes from a wuxia setting.

Dhamphir cleric/necromancer who is a native and has an undead mail/courier system.

Bolt Ace elf from the Witcher series who just wants to murder everyone and take their loot. Sadly he is leaving since he prefers 5th edition due to the fact it's quicker and easier to play.

Native human fighter who for some reason, constantly comes back to life even if his soul is sent straight to Hell. Acts as resident NPC meatshield.

Then me, a human turned gnome crafting wizard/necromancer from Spelljammer who wants to go back to space and smuggle stuff like chihuahuas and shit for gold.

I was then struck with a water blast by the bloodbender for making a reference to that movie.

>>50167193
Depends, what date and time?

>>50167193
Depends on what you had in mind m8.

>>50167207
>Depends, what date and time?

It's Play-by-Post, friend! It's *any* date and time!

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>>50167214
>Play-by-Post
Rip in peace ;-;7

>>50167214
fuck that noise

How do you deal with the excessive and exponental complexity of the game at level 14+?

I just hit level 11 and in making a plan for the next 5 levels I can't even begin to finalize my decisions.

>>50167332
You don't plan your 20 level build ahead of time?

>>50167332

I use myth-weavers and make two or more sheets of my character. One I use as the current, the others I keep a few levels ahead to use as a guide or to plan what I have going on.

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>>50165671
>1/2

Blackjack is fun if you have a fellow Blackjack in the party, but not so much otherwise until you hit 8th level.

Buckler Duelist is interesting if you want to specialize in both Scarlet Throne and Iron Tortoise.

Cad is only useful if you spec in Improvised Weapons, and aggro hard, but honestly why would you?

Crossbowman a shit. SHIIIIIIT!

Cyber Soldier is ok to mix in if you are in a campaign with cyber/high tech weapons. Without access to cyber-arms though, its a waste.

Dervish of Dawn has decent high damage potential thanks to its built in "Move and Full Attack" feature. Works best with Panther Style, Broken Blade, and Fool's Errand

Dragoon provides decent synergy between Piercing Thunder and Thrashing Dragon. For full Kaine Highwind levels of crazy, throw in Mithril Current.

Drill Seargent is decent if you have a full party of warriors with the same weapon type. Pair it with Golden Lion and be a Frontline Leader

Free Hand Fighter is a waste, though I can see some synergy with wielding a spiked shield as your only weapon, and focusing on Scarlet Throne.

If using either Piecemeal or Performance Combat, Gladiator is nice. Otherwise, avoid it.

Learned Duelist is much like Free-Hand Fighter, except much more limited and relies on Int. Ignore it.

Martial Flexibility "could" work, especially if you want to be the ultimate flexible combat dude however with the advent of WMH, its honestly a weak options

Lore Warden is Amazing, period.

Mobile fighters have devent synergy with high-mobility discs, but lack of Weapon Training hurts them sorely. There may be synergy though with Armor Training, however that is inconclusive at this time.

Mutation Warrior is great for numerous things, especially thanks to the extra arms and wings, plus the Mutagen helps boost as a mini-rage

Pack Mule? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Phalanx Soldier is made pointless with a single feat, and is only good in games that ban Warders, and still need NPCs for form shield wall tactics.

I need advice to fight a vampire.
>Be Gunslinger/Bard in the jungle
>Findout that the BBEG is a vampire with a bunch of undead Minions
>Party gets to one of the few cities in the area
>Want to buy shit before we leave
What do you recomend for killing vampires/undead in general. We have a cleric in the party can he bless our gear? Also I don't know about gunslinger stuff to upgrade my Martini-Henry. Can I get Optics or a muzzlebreak or a suppressor? Or different loads?

When a Zealot uses Aid Another on himself to boost his AC or Attack, does he also gain the Zeal bonus?

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>>50167210

I want to play a buddy squad of highwaymen!

Or maybe a Luxian knight grudgingly looking after his obnoxious magical charge!

>>50164834
108 dull grey ioun stones with continual flame cast on them.

A cape made to look like another (Vigilante) PC's alter ego's.

Several birds.

>>50167415
>you will never duo app as buddy cup city guards

>>50167332
>How do you deal with the excessive and exponental complexity of the game at level 14+?

I wing it, anon.

No literally, the DM just says, "Hey, you're level 15 now" and I go, "Oh? Well uhh, this feat looks good then, I guess."

By level 11 you should have a good feel for the way the campaign's going to play out, and for most people that means the campaign's going to be surprisingly casual.

>>50167426
That's a quick way to get one of your characters killed.

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>>50167426

Dude, I'd love to do that! We should Rosencrantz and Guildenstern it up!

Principality of Lux looks like the best bet for being buddy cop city guards, since it's basically a grand city-state of major laws and organized religion.

>>50167405
Crossbowman isn't bad if you're using Overwatch style, since you'll make tons of AoOs.

What EXP speed do you use?

I find that Medium might actually be too fast for a campaign I want to have running for 2 years.

>>50167432
Then we switch to veteran and rookie cop!

>>50167432

Hey, Riggs and Murtaugh did okay for themselves.

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>>50167432
>That's a quick way to get your characters to become fookin legends

Fixed that for you, buddy. The wise-cracking genre-savvy buddy pair of guardsmen is excellent to write up and guaranteed to become a DM favorite, considering just how much plot hook potential the position (and personalities) offer.

>>50167464
>xp
wew lad

>>50167464
lolwut?

>>50167193

Friendly reminder this campaign has Kitsune as a custom race with +4 Charisma -2 Constitution.

And centaurs.

So guys

I've noticed a recent trend in some archetypes (Warlock, Cabalist, Eldritch Scoundrel, Child of Amazon and Acne (?)) that it's becoming more okay to drop some class features in order to get some measure of casting ability off of a 9-level caster's spell list.

What classes do you think are getting casting archetypes next? Is this even a good idea?

>>50167722
That fighter archetype is an abomination.

>>50167405
>2/3

Polearm Master is useless, and both Spear Dance Style and Piercing Thunder do a better job than it.

Relic Master Is only good if you invest in relic feats, which you can't as easily thanks to burning them away to get Myrmidon.

Roughrider isn't usually worth it, unless your DM give you a free scaling mount. You're better off homebrewing an initiating Cavalier

For Savage Warrior, loss of Weapon Training hurts, but if you want to make Primal Fury even more bonkers there are worse options.

Sensate is essentially a Barbarian-lite with none of the benefits. Honestly, not that worth it save for the fact that centering yourself in all day. Only a good choice if you have to fight lots of Illusionists

Shielded fighter doesn't offer much for what you lose. Much better as NPC enemy encounters.

Swordlord is a pretty solid archetype, though its weakness is in lacking automatic proficiency with the Dueling Sword. Take with Scarlet Throne and Mithral Current to get your Shashka skills to full Kurwa levels

Tactician is a mess to combine. You lose your 1st level feat for nothing, and the Int Reliance makes you a tad MAD. Still, is good with Golden Lion

Thunderstriker turns you into a mini ZweiSent, have fun.

Titan Fighter is not worth it.

Tower Shield Specialist makes Tower Shields actually useful, and good for stopping touch attacks. Shame about loss of Weapon Training, but is decent defensive option.

Trench Fighter is how you Gun. Combine with Tempest Gale for great gun-fun.

Two-Handed Fighter is for people who want to outdamage the Barbarian. Break all the shit.

Two-Weapon warrior relies on full-attacks, and loses too much. Ignore it.

Unarmed Fighter loses too much. Just take Fool's Errand instead.

>>50167462
The problem with Overwatch, is that you still need to reload quick enough to use it effectively, which locks you to using the the weaker crossbows until later levels. Plus a lot of what you get isn't worth losing Weapon Training.

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>>50164301
New player here. I have two important questions.

1. What is your favorite race?
2. How much attention do rare races draw? Like if pic related were to be in a campaign would people just accept "he's not from around here" as an explanation? This goes for all "unusual" races.

Hey! Is there any way to get Autohypnosis to use Charisma?

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>>50167756
>2. How much attention do rare races draw? Like if pic related were to be in a campaign would people just accept "he's not from around here" as an explanation? This goes for all "unusual" races.
That depends entirely on how the DM runs their setting.

>>50165671
I actually made a document that went through all the archetypes for the Fighter (and a bunch of others) and found which ones stack with each other.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ys9ZDJXvCqVJylDY7-fLJdqkCwLRCr3dJ6fk96EOwd0/edit

Here you go.

>>50167736

Well, yeah, but it was an example, wasn't it? It's still an archetype for a non-casting class that gets access to spellcasting.

>>50167766
>Well, yeah, but it was an example, wasn't it? It's still an archetype for a non-casting class that gets access to spellcasting.
That isn't the point. I will continue to complain about that archetype anytime I remember it exists.

>>50167756
human
depends on the dm

>>50167778
So it's a terrible archetype, but it sets an example, that you can make an archetype for classes that don't normally get casting, that gives those classes casting. Same with Eldritch Scoundrel, Cabalist, Warlock, Magical Child, and Zealot.

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>>50167741
>3/3

Unbreakable is less important due to Counters being a thing. Still, if the campaign has a lots of magic and stuff with Saves, it might not be a bad choice.

Vengeful Hunter would be good, if combat wasn't so short. Also the damage stipulation on Vengeance hampers it

Viking is the true Barbarian Lite. ITs serviceable, but honestly you're still better off going Primal Disciple unless you want to be Lawful

For Weapon Master, I can't remember if WMH had stipulations for it or not. Personally, though, I find it kind of limiting.

Airborne Ambusher (Strix) is great by virtue of Flyby Attack, which means Flyby Strikes

Cavern Sniper (Drow) is fun for Archery Builds.

Foehammer (Dwarf) has good synergy with multi-hit Strikes.

Not all the Archetypes, though they are the ones listed on the Fighter Page Chart of the SRD

>>50167766
If only you had gotten here sooner. Still, I started and decided I may as well take responsibility and finish. I guess I should also stop here and not to the uncharted archetypes.

>>50167756
Your question depends highly on the group in particular, the campaign setting, and how the DM plays it.
As for your pic related, they'd be not as uncommon in an Iron Gods or similar campagin.
Though Humans are still generally the most versitile race all around.

>>50167756

1. Probably ratfolk, if I'm being honest.
2. The GM makes the call on that sort of thing, so I'd recommend talking to them about it. But in Golarion, a race's rarity in society can fluctuate greatly by region.

>>50167857

Yeah, I wish I'd gotten here sooner. I'm actually working on the psionic class archetypes, and soon I'm gonna move on to the Bushi, Hussar, and Privateer templates.

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Assuming this is a high-level campaign, largely solo and Path of War allowed, what would you personally recommend if I wanted to make a "John Wick" character? That is, a sort of singular hit man of preternatural skill that is better left undisturbed?

I was considering a Scarlet Throne focused Brutal Slayer myself.

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>open BotB thread
>"yea we're not allowed to actually say what anything else in the book actually does anymore"
>mfw desire to know more intensifies

>>50167931
Link?

>>50167928
Depends. what's his profession? Is he an assassin type? An in-you-face mercenary?

I do have some suggestions that are applicable to the majority of characters, but I need to know more about what you want your character to do first.

>>50167945
That depends on whether it will descend into even more shitposting that gets deleted or not.

>>50166256
yeah sap master seemed like a gimmick for sure.

So what feats should i take? TWF lvl 1, what do I take lvl 3?piranha strike?

>>50165492
Either an Avant Guard Roil Dancer, or a Polymath.

Hidden Blade Rogue or Night Terror are also fine.

>>50167973
>So what feats should i take? TWF lvl 1, what do I take lvl 3?piranha strike?

Part of me wants to crit fish... wakizashis have good threat range, any feats would mesh well with that?

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So, speaking of Fighters, what are your thoughts on the Spirit Wielder fighter from the Enhancer's Handbook for Spheres?

On the ones hand, you lose a lot of your class features to effectively give your weapon a brain and make them a Low-Caster.

But on the other, its a free Action Economy boost, augmented by the nature of Sphere's Magic, and is compatible with Myrmidon.

>>50167931
>We want to sell this book, please don't tell people what's actually in it. We don't want to turn them off further.

>>50167954
>I do have some suggestions that are applicable to the majority of characters, but I need to know more about what you want your character to do first.

Sorry for not responding earlier! The idea is to be a character that gets a contract, and after doing thorough investigation of the target, enters the complex and does a spiffing job of killing everyone that gets between you and your goal. Basically an Eversor from Warhammer 40k.

Stealth is only a focus before entering the target area, after which it's all about pushing yourself towards the target while having blocked out their means of escape before engaging.

what are good spells for an antipaladin to get with unsanctioned knowledge?

>>50168286
Depends on your level but when you get access to level 4 spells freedom of movement is nice to have.

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>>50168166
in that case, I'd recommend either a Brutal Slayer Stalker (which you already noted yourself), or a Harbinger for the Cursed Razor and claim Lockdown. nothing stops you from taking cursed razor on the Brutal Slayer of course, but the problem is that stalker is more bent on putting your enemy in the ground NOW than it is on debilitating enemies so you can move in for a killing blow. Neither one is particularly great at personal survival either, so they may not be amazing for solo gameplay.

Either way, three things to really consider with this gameplay style. The first is information; always be informed about your target. Gather information and knowledge skills are extremely important for this, because you need to know how to deal with what you're getting into and putting enemies into the ground along the way no information means you can't perform part two.

The second bit is preparation. this is INCREDIBLY important, and it always shocks me how badly some players flub this aspect, and it's even more important for a solo player because you can't fall back on you allies. If your target has a weakness - they're a troll, for instance - exploit it to the hilt. If they can be lured out, take the opportunity to set up a trap rather than going to their haunts. If you know they have an ability that could cause you problems, figure out how to counter it (such as drinking a potion of See Invisibility).

Finally, don't fight aggressively. You don't need to; your target can't go anywhere if you lock him down properly, and if done right he can't kill you because you're denying his abilities and attacks. You, as a solo operator, are very vulnerable to getting blitzed, so never overextend - the contract isn't worth your life unless things have already gone completely pear shaped. You have time, so grind him down until you can do with your target as you please.

Take your time, do the job right, and you can do anything. also, invest in stealth skills.

Alright, if anyone remembers the Path of War archetype stacking document I posted a little while ago, I went in and added in details about what archetypes are compatible with the DSP class templates, alongside the Psionic classes that got templates.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ys9ZDJXvCqVJylDY7-fLJdqkCwLRCr3dJ6fk96EOwd0/edit

I turned commenting on, let me know if there's any I missed.

>>50168286
>unsanctioned knowledge
I bumped Unsanctioned Knowledge to give a number of "spell levels" equal to 1/3 your character levels. So at level 17 it gives 5 levels in spells. So 5 level 1 spells, 1 level 4 spell and 1 level 1, 2 level 2 spells and a level 1, etc.

Am I a bad GM for this?

>>50168489
You are a bad GM, but for other reasons mostly.

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>>50168338

Dude, you're reading my mind with this post in regards to how I plan to play this character! I'm definitely going to be going for Brutal Slayer or Harbinger now, and I'm taking the advice you gave me to heart; be calm, be professional, if I did Step 1 right than I've got all the time in the world to take out my target. As long as I've been unseen until the moment of first engagement, I've got the contract in the bag.

>>50168516
oh yeah - pick up Survival and Heal if you can afford the skill points. Survival can give you details about a thing from footprints, aside from being useful in the wilderness in general. Heal will allow you to examine wounds and see what caused them, stitch yourself back up in the event that you've botched a job, and learn about the peculiarities of the target after the fact so that you can prepare for the future. It'll also let you clean your kills to take trophies and whatnot and, in a pinch, it'll let you perform torture without risking your victim.

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>>50168600

Brutal Slayer and Harbinger both allow quite a bit of Intelligence, so I'll easily have the points for both of those skills. I was planning on going for Heal anyway; if I'm going alone I might as well be good at stitching up my own wounds, right? I'll easily be able to do to those things you recommended. Torture and the like are not out of the question, this character isn't exactly what I'd call a paragon of virtue.

Dude, I can't thank you enough; you're helping me turn this concept into a full-blown character I'm not only able to play, but damn excited to! I'd buy you a drink if this wasn't an anonymous website.

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>>50168672
No problem, Anon.

I do have one last piece of advice for you, though. That is, even if you dump charisma, make an effort to maintain good relationships with those in relative positions of power. Don't be a sycophant, but maintain a professional level of courtesy with the other person; he's not your friend, he's a prospective employer, and should be treated with respect until such a time as you decide you're never going to work with him.

Additionally, make friends. Even among little people. Knowing people that you can rely on to help you get something done is invaluable - A particularly good poison maker that you find ingredients for now and then, that guardsman who you can get some drinks with after his shift, that woman you saved from an abusive relationship, or even that farmer who might be willing to let you stay with him for a few nights because you saved his farm from a troll.

You may not get returns on your actions immediately, but doing "Good Deeds" helps your reputation (which gets you more jobs) and has benefits that you can't buy with gold.

3.5 but this is te closest thing to 3.5 geneal on 4change

Playing a hulking hurler

http://alcyius.com/dndtools/classes/hulking-hurler/index.html

I'm not sure which powers to take...

I definitely think medium load is totally worth it but i'm unsure if i should take ranged power attack or area attack.

Area attack bypasses super high ac. While power attack gives me x2 damage because twohanded weapon for each BAB dropped

>>50167931
I'm 90% sure BotB will be the most boring book they've released in a while. Which is saying something, because Legacy of Dragons was recent.

>>50164301

What is the maximum amount of Dishonorabur you can fit into a character build without having a Shamfur Dispray?

>>50168825
The answer is "Don't fucking do it."

It's a class that's basically pigeonholed into doing damage and nothing but damage, and it does said damage so well that it flat-out invalidates combat, and turns combat into the be-all-end-all solution. I'm talking amounts where you could, literally, get a physical bucket of dice, and not have enough.

>>50168872

I think that's limited to whatever your dad did when he was your age.

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>>50168775

Your thoughts are mine, anon. I was never planning on being an ass-kisser with this character, more the type that interacted with their clients on equal terms, negotiating terms and all. He'd definitely be willing to help out someone in need, but as you pointed out he will never do so without a price - usually information, but maybe more, depending on the ability of the person aided.

He's going to be a proper legend with all this backstory ability added up, he's going to be 80% preparation and scouting with the last 20% focused on dealing with every mook between him and his target.

>>50168872
>What is the maximum amount of Dishonorabur you can fit into a character build without having a Shamfur Dispray?

Two defiled village girls and a dishonorably slain samurai.

One dishonorably slain samurai is worth two defiled village girls, so if you need to just slay those two fuckers giving you a hard time and repent later.

>>50167931
isn't that the one where people asked
>uh, is this going to be more furry rape like your previous grimoire thing book?
>HOW DARE YOU! HOW DARE YOU COMPARE 3PP DRIVEL TO OFFICIAL 1PP SUPPLEMENTS!

>>50169009
To be fair, that was someone very obviously baiting.

Post music for Rise of the Jade Regent!

Just found the perfect theme for the Oni-Spawn~! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0KKx_8noTA

>>50169051

This is for my swordsman forced out of retirement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msEUDZoSH6s

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So I thought out a sorta dumb, sorta funny gunslinger archetype. It's called the Gun Shy. She takes penalties to shooting people because the loud bangs scare her, but in return, she can throw her guns at people and deal pistol-whipping damage. And as she levels up, she gets perks to throwing things, like increasing your throw range, the gun bouncing back to your hand, and pistol-whip die size. And on a critical hit, the gun shoots the target as it bounces back.

What do you think?

>>50168286
I was thinking vanish or blistering invective for an intimidate build lvl 1, glitterdust or invisibility lvl 2 i have no idea what you could take level 3, freedom of movement lvl 4.

>>50169051
>flip flopping between what would make a good song for the shut-in tiefling that finally gets out to realize his dream of becoming a hero

This seems pretty appropriate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2NBSy2vVZw

>>50169157
A couple just standard themes

Minkai theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmWIuirIKjM

Linnorm Kingdoms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSB1IaY_b-0

>>50169047
maybe but given that was a thing in the guy's previous work...

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>>50169301

Are you the Woof-girl, by any chance?

>>50169382

Sadly i'm Oni Girl, The B team waifu.

>>50169389

B-team? B-TEAM? Anon please, you're selling yourself for a pittance.

You're worth so much more than that, anon! Your large breasts hide a large heart, one I'm sure many men want to touch and claim as their own!

>>50169405

B-but anon that's canabalis- wait... no its not. Well not unless your tiefling.

>>50169412

Anon... Beneath all that tough muscle and thick, womanly figure is a young girl that just wants to be loved for the person she is, and I want to be the person that touches that innermost desire!

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>>50169157
and a bonus theme, since that game's starting with the first chapter of RotRL, for if the 92 year old tiefling not!Paladin finally gets to confront the young Aasimar gone rogue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvRFxfLHgPg

>>50169422
This is the part where she squeals and starts flipping through her "manuals" muttering something about how you've skipped to third base already.

Also I think this would be a very nice theme for the Game in general.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVVc2TOQ3NE

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>>50169440

And this is the part where we put a baby in her belly and break the news to big sister Ameiko that we're now an official item! She'll be so proud you found a man that loves you for who you are~

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>>50169457

Oddly enough i have just the image.

>>50169487
s-sauce?

>>50169487

Damn straight I'll take responsibility! I'll be the best father those children could ever have, and a proper husband to keep that Tiefling smiling until the very end

>>50169530
>>50169529
[obmas] Onegai! Onigami-sama - Please! Fearful God [COMIC BAVEL 2016-01] [English] [Noraneko]

>>50169432

Oh fuck Confronting Tsuto after him killing their father is gonna be epic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XqZFqVbtns

>>50169571

Anon, are you suggesting that's how your Oni-girl's first time would go? I imagined she woudl be more bashful and violent.

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>>50169638

Not really, i just happened to have recently found a pregnant oni.

Pic related is about how'd it go.

>all of these warm, squishy, touchy-feely sentiments instead of finishing the task of restoring the rightful heir to the throne of Minkai

Swear I'll find a build to do what the living cannot.

>>50169650
>Pic related is about how'd it go.

That's implying her lover is a weak-ass wizard, anon.

Also implying he isn't the one who will gently, yet firmly, make sure him and her have a good time on their first night as lovers.

>>50169673

Nigga all you've gotta do is get Ameiko's fat Tien ass on that throne, that's all you gotta do.

>>50169673

Bro this is just prologue WE HAVENT EVEN STARTED THE ROADTRIP!!...

Who wants to be the map girl... 123not-it!

>>50169571
Oh fug I forgot about that. Shit'd be absolutely radical all around for roleplay, though it'd be a hell of an emotional rollercoaster ride for the characters involved.
>I will never get to have my skinny ass tiefling come out of his glass workshop, only to find out that some foreigner moved in with all his crazy daughters

Theme for waiting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mDWzu5yxLg

>>50169703

two of which run the most popular inn, an the other works at the bookstore.

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Profession (Cooking)

You are skilled at preparing exceptionally nourishing meals.

Check: Preparing a meal has a DC of 10 (for a decent meal), 20 (good meal), 30 (extraordinary meal), or 40 (legendary meal). You need ingredients, and a suitable kitchen or equivalent work space. Without a proper kitchen, you take -4 on your cooking check. Cooking without ingredients is impossible.

Decent Meal: Pretty standard fare. A decent meal grants the nourished condition

Good Meal: A good meal, the kind you could expect to find in a particularly expensive restaurant or luxurious inn. In addition to the effects of the nourished condition, a good meal grants a +1 circumstance bonus on fort saves for the condition's duration.

Extraordinary Meal: An incredible meal, the like of which most people will experience only rarely, unless they are quite wealthy. In addition to the effects of a good meal, an extraordinary meal grants 1d8 temporary hit points.

Legendary Meal: A meal of legendary quality. As word gets around of your skill, kings will fight to have you in their kitchens, and beings from other planes will seek you out to experience your masterful creations. A legendary meal grants the nourished condition, as well as a +2 circumstance bonus to all saves, and d8 + (Cook's HD) temporary hit points. Such a meal is so good that creatures who taste it can't bear the thought of dying without tasting it again.

Action: Preparing a meal takes one hour, although a particularly intricate or important meal may take longer, at the GM's discretion.

Try Again: Yes, but every time you prepare a meal any ingredients used are consumed.


Nourished

A nourished character can run as if she possessed the Run feat, and is granted a +1 circumstance bonus to Strength and Dexterity based checks, as well as a +4 circumstance bonus vs effects that cause fatigue or exhaustion. Becoming fatigued removes this condition. Otherwise, it fades after one hour.

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I know this may have been asked a lot, but does a rogues sneak attack damage apply multiple times if say they were flanking a target and they had two weapon fighting feat or improved two weapon fighting?

My DM is arguing with me about this since he was a DnD DM for a long time until we decided to go with pathfinder.

>>50169779
He'd have likely met the one at the bookstore since he's a total nerd, but likely never asked about family.

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>>50169815

Considering she's a social cripple who very rarely speaks outside of a whipser and looks like the grave, the conversations would be brief.

>>50169804
Unfortunately the answer is "it depends"

>>50169779

The retired swordsman would have likely met all three, considering the local watering hole is a favored spot of ex-swordsmen, and this guy's wise enough to recognize his mind, like a blade, needs to be sharpened from time to time.

>>50169804
You gain sneak attack whenever you attack a target and they are
1) Flat-footed, or
2) Flanked
So if you're flanking a creature and you make 4 attacks, you get sneak attack on all four of those attacks.

I'm pretty sure that was the case in 3.5 as well, but it's been years since I looked at the rules for it.

>>50169803

its nice to know that Oni girl can roll a one and still make a decent meal. +10 bonus in Prof (Cook) Ho!

>>50169840
Oni girl is the Chef, and she is in fact the reason why The Rusty Dragon wins all those cooking contests.

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Stat me.

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>>50169868
>Oni girl is the Chef, and she is in fact the reason why The Rusty Dragon wins all those cooking contests.

I never doubted that for a second! Her spicy meals would warm the old soldier's belly, he'd undoubtedly want to leave you a hefty tip for your exceptional cooking!

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>>50169833
>two social cripples that rarely see eachother
>whenever they do, everything is kept short and to the point
>occasional comments about whatever the topic of the book being purchased is

God damnit, of all the things to make me want to actually seriously consider applying, I didn't think cute would be it.

>>50169803

Might add a provision that you can only get The Nourished condition three times a day. Barring having the Glutton trait.

Does Killer's Implements apply to all weapons of a chosen type, or a specific weapon?

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>>50170493
Do me a favor and don't burn anything down on the way out.

Also goes for anyone who's staying, but enough /pol/ let's get back to PF.

Like how I recall being told a Harbinger could make a good Unholy DK, and that Cursed Razor can help.

Any more specific advice?

>>50170529

Harbinger is great way to do either death knight or demon hunter. Dipping zwiesent can help with death knight.

It kind of depends on the spec that you want to go, Crimson countess is very good at doing blood death knight. Elemental Flux I guess is sort of okay for frost? I'm not sure how to do unholy.

>>50170529
>>50170544
What *type* of death knight do you want to do?

>>50170548
>>50170529
>Unholy DK

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>>50170552
You've got the right of it, I was after Unholy. I could settle for Frost, but having that ghoul or gargoyle around and unleashing all those plagues brings a wicked smile to my inner edgelord's face.

Pic unrelated, save for a love of plagues.

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Can someone give me a rundown of what exactly I can get away with using the Spheres of Power Transformation feat, and at what levels? I want to get a grasp on what potential I have for ALL DAY single form transformation, but I'm drawing blanks here.

Like, for example, say the gimmick is "I want to be a fucking bear". That's simple, and can't be that hard. But what about having... Fuck, I dunno, a sphinx form? Or a young dragon form? Or pic related? How far can you take this? How does it interact with a caster who takes the alteration sphere?

>>50170552
Unholy takes a bit more work, you'll probably want to go ravenlord harbinger to replicate the minion I think.

If you wanted to go more of a wc3 death knight I'd actually recommend omen rider.

Your schools will most likely be black seraph and cursed razor

>>50170574
Gonna be honest that sounds like bog-standard Antipaladin to me.

>>50170586
The weakness of Transformation compared to the actual Alteration Sphere is that unless you actually have alteration, your additional traits are limited in scope, and you need a feat for each.

>>50170574
Diseases as warcraft does them are hard to do. Cursed razor has a bleed.. but that's about all. In pathfinder diseases are about shit like long term debuffs, they're not damage over time effects.

Antipaladin is a bit better for diseases.

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>>50170599
>>50170610
And of course the one undead-themed Antipally doesn't get an undead battle buddy but does get a skelly-horse.

It's alright at first glance, but besides that pesky Alignment restriction (Darion Mograine himself is at least some kind of Neutral), it's a bit weaker than I hoped.

Of course, unless whoever GM's whatever game I get this into allows Undead templates the closest I can get race-wise is playing a Dhampir anyway, so it'll probably have to do.

Thanks for everything so far, by the way.

>>50170638
Tyrant is a good archetype. Swaps them to being Lawful Evil rather than Chaotic. Fiddles with almost nothing else along the way. S'a bit more Death Knight-ey.

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stat me teegee, 20 point buy, everything paizo is allowed, no 3rd party is allowed.

>>50170599
Well of course it isn't as easy as just taking the feat, but I just gotta know what I can potentially get and with what level of investment for my ALL DAY form.

>give enemy this item
>players call bullshit
>had a great fucking time

>Memory of Function
>Unique Slotless Item
>Looks like a massive silver egg banded with gold rings. When the user has attuned himself with it, a process taking an hour of physical contact with the egg, he takes a -2 penalty to charisma (can not be removed as long as he is attuned to the egg). In exchange he can do the following:
>as a swift action deploy up to 10 rings, each large enough for him to pass through. The egg has 100 rings, so each switch action allows you to move to deploy 10. The rings move 60ft per round.
>If next to a ring the user can pass through it as a free action and exit any other ring, this is not a teleportation effect.
>the rings diameter can change, and can be employed to do the following (but is not limited to these functions) (they use a number of rings of the 10 he can move each round):
Put over the arm it allows you to control the other as essentially a floating fist
Pushing two rings to each other forces a reflex save (dc 21), on a failure the person captured between is displaced from a random ring and takes 10d6 force damage
Two rings can be overlain to unleash a torrent of force, hitting an opponent up to 30ft away as a touch attacking your normal bonus for ranged attack. If it hits it deals 10d6 damage.
Passing over an object one have it pass through any ring of their choosing.

>>50170649
>Owlbear

>>50170638
Animate dead and desecrate are on your spell list, but the earliest you gain access to it is 10th level.

And base skeletons / zombies aren't very good.

>>50170649
I dont know who that is or what it's from.

>>50170650
Well. Without taking Alteration at all to open up your options...

Most forms are really nice bonuses in general really. And then you can get Hybrid Transformation to keep everything you could do untransformed too.

So for two feats, taking Animalistic Transformation for example, you get scent, a bite, a scaling natural armor bonus (Up to +6, base of +2), and a scaling movement speed (Up to 80, base of 40)

As for how things interact with actual Alteration, traits you get via Improved Transformation count against your limit. Although you can suppress them to temporarily replace them with ones from your magic.

>>50170764
agreed.

>tfw wondering which houserules should my game use

>>50171481
Gestalt, all content allowed if it passes GM approval, that frequently linked feat-tax thing, 2 traits/1 drawback for a third/possible campaign trait as a bonus depending on what you're doing, Background Skills being used, disallow thematically inappropriate classes, turn time limits, players are able to craft BUT it requires actual in-game quests for materials rather than buying things in magic shops, magic shops either non-existant or incredibly limited in scope and uncommon, and only the Core races plus 3-4 others so the setting doesn't become a clusterfuck. Start at a minimum of level 4 or so, otherwise you just hate your players, and never use less than 25PB.

>>50171631
>all those good rules mixed with all those awful ones

>>50171689
You wanna give a breakdown there, friendo?

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>>50164834
> several barrels of black powder and a book of explosive runes

>>50171717

>Gestalt
I like it, but very optional. Definitely not for everyone.

>All content allowed if it passes GM approval
A good general rule but I think there should be an upfront whitelist rather than just a "Anything reasonable goes". If one person decides they don't want to go through everything in 3.5 and another guy does, then the first guy is pressured into an arms race to keep up.

>that frequently linked feat-tax thing, 2 traits/1 drawback for a third/possible campaign trait as a bonus depending on what you're doing, Background Skills being used
All good.

>disallow thematically inappropriate classes
Awful. Flavor limits are fine but if people like the mechanics, just let them refluff it.

>turn time limits
Sounds like such a good idea until it leads to people getting too worked up or pressured in battle and also skipping interesting fluff descriptions. Just trust players to be reasonable on this, don't set a hard time limit.

>players are able to craft BUT it requires actual in-game quests for materials rather than buying things in magic shops, magic shops either non-existant or incredibly limited in scope and uncommon
This is the worst thing. The in-game math expects players to have ready access to the magic items they need, so a system like this becomes a chore without something like ABP. Just let them have the stuff they should be able to afford.

>and only the Core races plus 3-4 others so the setting doesn't become a clusterfuck.
Very subjective. Why even bother limiting it beforehand when you have a party of 4~5, and you can just work with them individually to include their racial choice in the setting?

>Start at a minimum of level 4 or so, otherwise you just hate your players, and never use less than 25PB.
Agree. Though 3 is a more common minimum.

>>50170720
Transformation says it treats your HD as ypur caster level for that effect, does that actually give full trait progression too? Would it still do that, even with talents from spellcasting I assume that if I wanted to, for example, have a flying, celestial dog form, I'd need to take improved Transformation before I could actually apply traits from anything but the base or animalistic pool?

I don't know why I'm spazzing over this, considering that the kind of character I'd give it to would probably be played in a group that doesn't use spheres anyway.

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>wotr game still hasn't picked players
>rotjr doesnt start for months
Suffering

>>50172288

Anon please, there's plenty of other groups recruiting and the fact one of them puttered out shouldn't faze you.

Rise of the Jade Regent is really cute though, watching the players go at it in these threads is a guilty pleasure.

>>50172307
The more people invest in it, the more hearts are set to be broken.

Only four among them will survive.

Maybe even less if the GM bails

Is it possible to keep playing roleplaying games, if your lifestyle involves a lot of travel to other countries due work?

So if you want to make a GISH what is the best paizo class to use? Barring summoner or druid.

>>50172317
>The more people invest in it, the more hearts are set to be broken.

Then don't invest in it you big goof, make a character and shitpost/advertise them for like a thread before quietly shelving them until late December.

>>50172322

The only thing keeping you from a group is timezone differences and an internet connection.

Is it possible to keep playing roleplaying games, if your lifestyle involves a lot of travel to other countries due work? (Often four weeks outside my country)

>>50172337

You sure can! All you need is an internet connection and the right program to play it (I recommend Roll20.)

What PoW disciplines are good for natural attackers? I'm new to the system and I'd like to make a few NPCs to test it out.

>>50172448
Broken Blade and Primal Fury.

>>50172367
Yeah it has the best '""random'"' dicerolls.

>>50172448
Primal Fury, Broken Blade, Chimera Soul (this one is THE natural attack discipline), and I think Fool's Errand would probably work best.

>>50172458
>Chimera Soul
Chimera soul is not good for most natural attack builds though, it doesn't allow for a lot of full attacks and doesn't have many boosts to boost full round attacks.
Most natural attack builds use full round attacks for their primary means of combat.

>>50172456

What's wrong with their dice rolls?

>>50172448
>>50172453

Broken Blade and Primal Fury are seen as the two currently most OP disciplines with upcoming nerfs and really aren't a good starting point.

PoW generally doesn't mesh well with ranged damage builds and natural attack builds though, since the aim of those is to land as many attacks as possible with a full attack while PoW tries to provide worthwhile alternatives to full attacking.

Fool's Errand can do pretty okay with natural weapons while keeping reasonable damage, though, and Chimera Soul provides a lot of interesting flavorful options.

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>tfw you will never become a landowner in Andoran and run for office
>tfw you will never get entangled in bureaucracy, politicking and the corporate machinery of the Lumber Consortium

>>50172639
Solar wind and Tempest Gale do ranged combat well by giving you more options for how to deal with things that are not damage damage damage.

>>50172646
...but you wouldn't run that type of game using pathfinder
and I assume Andoran isn't unlike the rest of Golarion and is a shit setting so you wouldn't use it with any other system...

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>>50172288
>that feel when you should just port your halfling monk from WotR to RotJR but there are already like three brawlers.
Maybe I'll just finish doing that PsyArm zenko.

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>>50173122

You don't want a team full of brawlers?

>>50173122

But anon, the Halfling monk was cute!

Maybe turn her into a Halfling brutal slayer?

>>50172288

>tfw I just want to make a well-oiled holy brawler of Kurgess with a bald head and magnificent mustache

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So now that I think about it, why the didn't they make it so that the Magus's spell combat improved with level, instead of just immediately giving you full everything. Like:

>at 1st level you would, as a full round action, make a single attack and cast a spell with a standard action cast time, keeping the penalty
>this lets you get a second attack if you use spellstrike with the spell, but not make any iteratives, even if your BaB would normally allow it
>at 4th or 5th level, it upgrades so it functions as it does now, as "full attack at a penalty to cast a spell at the same time)
>[insert other scaling bonuses related to spell combat here] that are optional and can be selected at various points

>tfw I can't seem to let go of this
>tfw wishing Magus was as modular and interesting to build as the Vigilante, while keeping its schtick as a spellsword

Magus Unchained never. Sphere Magus Revisited never.

>>50172646
Bonus points if you're a Vanara, since there's a small chance that people would still vote for you

What are some good fluff reasons for a character to become a Void Kineticist? I really like the idea thematically and I like the powers I'd get as one, but trying to think of a good reason for why a character might become like this is running me into a wall.

Golarion standard setting if it helps.

>>50173319

They got touched by the Dominion of the Black or, more likely, an Old One Cult.

Or maybe he or she was kidnapped by the succubus rapists that live on the moon.

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>>50173319
Do you believe in Gravity?
Or, conversely, someone like Exdeath or Enuo from FFV.
Or just look into anyone with either Nothingness or Gravity powers. KH might be a place to look into if you don't mind uber-weeb

>>50173319
He got psychic powers and that's just how they manifest?

>>50173143
Brutal Slayer is an option, yes. But so is Mystic. We will see.

>>50164508
4 maybe 3 for truememers and composers, but that's a stretch

GAS THE CATGIRLS.

>>50174021
Love the catgirls!

>>50174021
>>50174033
Have no strong feelings one way or the other on the catgirls.

Would Fool's Errand be good for a character focused on grappling? Is there any interaction between grappling and locking?

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The 3 act system would probably make a good new combat system if it was combined with put what path of war has.

No iterative attacks, power attack or such.
All classes instead learn new moves.
A bit more abstract versions rather than the already built in flavors of PoW
"Strike" "Heavy Strike" "Pierce"
The more abstract it is, the more room there is to roleplay it differently

>>50168499
What did I do?

>>50174021

What about catboys, or even catmen?

>>50174246
>The more abstract it is, the more room there is to roleplay it differently
This applies to the PF system's core attack mechanics.

Unsurprisingly it doesn't fucking work.

>>50174277
Well current PF goes too far
My idea is not even close to that much abstraction as the game currently has

>>50172284
You don't get additional traits just from Transformation, only the affects of the Form.

To get additional Traits you need Improved Transformation, which details how many you get.

/pfg/ settle an argument for me: what happens when I throw a flask of alchemist fire and a flammable object (hay or an open contained of oil) is in the splash zone? Does the object catch fire at all?

>>50174437
That's entirely up to your DM. By RAW no, there would only be a fire if made a direct hit to the target, and it would burn itself out after two rounds. Your DM can say that the direct hit causes a fire but the splash doesn't because it's a very minor amount of damage, or they can say even a small spark is enough to set it off.

>>50174246
Literally why not play 4e or song of swords or something like that.
>>50174152
Path of War and grappling don't seem to play all that hot together. I don't know about fools errand specifically.

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What are some backstories you would recommend for a swordsman at a level where other characters are the archmage of a major university, or a master thief who's broken into the unbreakable?

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>>50174359
So let me see if I'm getting this
>Just the Transformation feat: No traits, just whatever form you chose
>Transformation+Improved feats: You can apply any traits from blank form, or any traits from forms you bought via feats, up to the trait limit
>Transformation+Improved feats and Alteration Sphere: Apply any traits from feats or talents to your form from Transformation at full HD for CL, up to the trait limit, and any alteration stuff not using the transformation feat uses your "real CL"

But what about:
>Transformation feat and Alteration sphere, no Improved: Feat says you can apply traits to the form from Transformation, but only traits from Blank Form, but you technically don't have any "trait slots"? Would you get traits from the sphere itself, or do you still require Improved Transformation to apply traits?
>If Transformation would get traits when you actually have the Alteration Sphere, do you then just get the ability to use traits from stuff other than blank form when taking Improved Transformation, or do you also get more traits?
>Since Transformation is not actually the Shapeshift spheres ability, would a spherecaster taking the Greater Transformation Talent or Extreme Transformation Talent not actually do anything for the Transformation feat?

>>50174574
>you killed [INSERT REALLY DANGEROUS] thing by yourself/in one strike,

>>50174437
By RAW, there's nothing about it, but it's an entirely logical sequence of events, like throwing a rock at a guard will likely piss him off.

>>50174577
The thing to get is that Alteration and Transformation ONLY interact in that Alteration opens up more potential traits.

Transformation gets you the one form. Improved Transformation gets you traits from the basic ability, the form talent you chose, or from other Alteration talents you may have.

To those last three points though...

>That's a proviso so that Blank Form traits can be applied via Alteration even if you're transformed. Because your transformation is a Polymorph effect, without it, the two couldn't stack.

>Transformation itself doesn't get traits from Alteration, having alteration just opens up what traits you can add if you have those talents. For instance, you wouldn't be able to add Bestial Reflexes' Leaping Attack without having the Bestial Reflexes talent, which you need actual Alteration to have access to.

>It still helps. Traits you have on your Transformation count against your Alteration limit, but there's nothing stopping you from raising that limit. If your limit is three and you got three from Transformation already, jacking up your limit by two still gets you two more traits for Alteration. It doesn't do anything for the Transformation feat itself though. But recall you can suppress any amount of transformation traits to temporarily replace them with Alteration traits. (Also if you're a lowcaster your Transformation traits might be MORE than your Alt limit, so.)

>>50174506
Because 4e had the right idea but bad execution
The elephant in the room was that 4e had the right idea. Paizo should do better.

>>50174574

You're basically John Wick.

You're the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard

You're a Dragonslayer hitting their prime

You're trying to live a peaceful retired life running an orphanage near the coast but fate keeps dragging you back into the business

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QUICK!
You have been accepted to study for a while at the Grand Royal University of Thaumaturgy and Magic, however since you are being accepted as a charity case, until you prove yourself through your capability and grades you will only be allowed to major in one Sphere of Magic.

What Sphere do you choose to specialize in?

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Can anyone help me Stat a monster?

I'm making an incredibly low int race, here's the rough sketch. Something akin to goblin or kobolds, very low cr.

Think catmonkey. They have paws + opposeable thumbs, hunt with roughly made nets and pointy sticks. Carnivorous. Think tribal intelligence. Sits in treetops and nets things on the ground to kill and eat.

Or any fun fluff you can help me come up with?

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>>50174848
Conjuration. Then I'll have a servant who has all the other spheres.

>>50174848
>What Sphere do you choose to specialize in?

What's the sphere that lets me bang the professor for a passing grade?

>>50174887
Enchantment, and in your case you'll want transmutation so you can at least partially satisfy them.

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>>50169107
That sounds hilarious.

>>50174722
Alright, I think I'm starting to get a grip on this now. This is seriously pretty cool, a damn shame that there's not a whole lot in 1pp to enable this kind of thing. Only things I'm still a bit iffy on are:

>Does Hybrid Transformation let you keep your "base form's features" while transformed "normally", or does it HAVE to be a specific "hybrid form"? Do you just get a sliding scale of hybrid-ness (within reason) to work with?
>There are two versions of Improved Transformation on the spheres wiki, which one is more commonly used? (the one that's just "you get one trait slot" vs "one trait slot every 5 levels)
>Does Favored Form's extra trait slot work with Transformation and the improved version?