Pathfinder General /pfg/

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>>50176354
Who wants to live forever?

>>50176377
I'd be okay with dying if my soul didn't get absorbed into some outsider or plane or god.

Also what the fuck is up with 4chan and taking forever to open up pictures?

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>>50176377
>>50176354

You bet your sweet hamster ass I do.

Got bored, threw together a homebrew: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1raGvq7PhzuKn5zuTwKLafzOkJTEWbdUjmEFXkV6vpwY/edit
Basically a specialist initiator focusing heavily on a single discipline.

Comments and suggestions welcome, preferably on the doc. I'll be going to bed soonish, so I might not see everything on the thread.

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Hey all, I'd like to thank everyone who participated in the Kineticists of Porphyra IV: End of an Era playtest!

We're going to take all the suggestions and such now and try to implement them before sending this off to the publisher, and we're all hoping that this will be a nice send off to the series. It's been a great honor working on something this fun and I appreciate the support I've been given with this project more than I can express, so thanks everyone for making KOP such a successful series!

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>>50176377
Human Imperious bloodline Sorcerers
Wizards and Arcanists with the Immortality discovery
Alchemists with the Eternal Youth grand discovery
Necromancers
People in that one prestige class where you eat emeralds

>>50176396
Traffic with another board celebrating thepresidential election is slowing everyone down.

So I have a lv.12 monk and it seems my GM is allowing Martial Training. Would Piercing Thunder or Primal Fury work out better?

>>50176396
>I'd be okay with dying if my soul didn't get absorbed into some outsider or plane or god.
And that's bad because...? You are basically achieving nirvana. You had all the time on your plane and after death it's time to move on.

>>50176589
It's the death of individuality. That's the problem for a lot of people.

>>50176600
>It's the death of individuality

This

>>50176606
You are already dead, dummy. And yet you get more time than any of us could ever hope for (assuming there's is no afterlife). If you care about being yourself for eternity then don't die in the first place.

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>>50176536
What flavor of martial artist are you going for?

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>>50176221
Well that's pretty cool.

>spheres lets me do exactly what I want out of a shapeshifter
>it would cost 4 feats and 2-3 magic talents

fug

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>>50176661
I have no desire to go into oblivion, anon

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>>50176697
Replace your heart with a Balor.

>>50176277

The knight's a her, actually! Built like a tank, tall as heck and described as quite lovely.

>>50176589
>>50176600
>>50176661

There is an item in the last book of Hell's Rebels that LITERALLY allows you to retain *everything* when you die; personality, memories, class levels, the whole nine yards.

Heck, the only stickler is you're not allowed to kill yourself between using the item and waking up dead, and Pharasma is turbo-butthurt at it existing yet can't provide a reason not to use it beyond MUH BALANCE.

>>50176768
do tell

So I figured I'd post this homebrew set I've been working on for some feedback.

The purpose of my homebrew was mainly to make the game more accessible for my very very newbie friends, and to fix what I felt were issues with normal Pathfinder (namely feat bloat and FUCK VANCIAN MAGIC). I'm fully aware balance is probably greatly lacking, and I could have left classes and races (which are mostly if not completely homebrewed) alone, but I enjoy making classes and races so that happened.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByaNQkFBFgcFY05vRXMydEs3Tjg

I want to build a two weapon fighting focused warlord. First, is that a good idea? Mostly going to focus on Kukris and working on making those rather strong, using deadly agility and piranha bite to ease the damage I can do, and focusing on thrashing dragon primarily. What's a good secondary discipline?

>>50176807

Also, you can mostly ignore the rules file, it's mostly the same as normal.

>>50176780

It's the item Barney shoved his heart into so, when he dies, he can become a powerful Outsider (that still keeps his personality, meaning you can get sent to Elysium and, over thousands of years of living as YOU, become a mighty angel that is *still* 'you') and with said power cast a spell that turns him into a Genus Loci and effectively BECOME Cheliax.

Using the item does not hurt you. Using the item does not make you evil. When you die Pharasma is incapable of doing anything but treat you as a typical petitioner. There are no downsides to using this item. None.

>>50176668
This monk is a pouncing DPR monster thanks to being able to turn into a giant feline.

>>50176825
what book is this in?

>>50176846

Hell's Rebels Book 6 "Breaking the Bones of Hell."

The item is called the Soul Anchor.

>>50176696
Got something complex in mind eh?

>>50176825

The best part about this is Barbie's plan failed 100%; he died and became a powerful Outsider... Utterly enslaved to Hell and basically a mockery of what he wanted to be.

That's the plot of Hell's Rebels, everybody! You kill the bad guy and it turns out his plan wasn't going to work anyway! Literally the only thing the PCs accomplish is liberating San Francisco from the fascist shitlords!

>>50176825
Probably because she oversees a cycle you have just got giant dump on. When you die you die. Your soul moves on and merges with your chosen plane or becomes an outsider. That's how things are supposed to be. Just because you can ask your buddies to resurrect you every time doesn't mean that death is actually inconsequential for most people and you have some kind or "right" to live more than intended.

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>>50176905

Frick the cycle! Frick that heckin' hussy, I wanna be me, dammit! I ain't no philosopher, I don't care about the River! Adventurers are weirdo individuals, and one soul (ONE SOUL) out of billions is not going to ruin anything!

>>50176905
We dont have an obligation to NOT live longer either.

Kinda new to this, never went beyond 5th level and next week I'm going to start in a 9th level campaign so I need help, from a lore point of view, what can be my character? using the Fighter as example, is a 9th level fighter a solider? a captain? a commander? royal guard? fucking elite?

>>50176945
Untrained militia tier

>>50176945
>using the Fighter as example, is a 9th level fighter a solider? a captain? a commander? royal guard? fucking elite?

Depends on the setting, but a 9th level character is typically treated as experienced in their field, a captain of the guard or a shock trooper in the military.

>>50176807
If you want something simpler, use a different system. You aren't making Pathfinder better or more accessible by doing this, all you're doing is fucking your players by giving them an incorrect view of the systems. There are plenty of systems out there that will cater to you with simpler rules or rules light bits. This is not one of them.

Furthermore, if you're going to attempt to make something simpler for your group, put effort into it. The documents are disorganized, poorly explained, and generally lackluster.

>>50176768
MAHATHALLA PLEASE GO

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>>50176905
I don't have an obligation to your shitty cycle!
Down with the system!
God war now!

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>>50176974

IT TOOK THE WHORE QUEEN OF ILLUSIONS FOR US TO REALIZE "THE CYCLE" IS THE ULTIMATE ILLUSION OF ALL!

>>50176936
We do. Humans and other races are mortal and their souls are a part of greater cycle. Just because your hubris compells you to believe you have the right to linger indefinitely past your expiration doesn't mean it's right.

>>50176920
Gosh darn I love when you do this, anon.

>>50176973
> The documents are disorganized, poorly explained, and generally lackluster.

How so? Unlike others who post homebrew stuff and cry when it's negatively received, I'd actually like to know how to fix my crap. Keeping in mind this was intended for a real life group that I would explain stuff to in person.

Also, the reason I chose Pathfinder was because it was the one I have the most experience with. Suggestions on other systems? Mainly ones that let you craft abilities/spells/whatever? Because I fucking hate spell lists/Vancian magic.

>>50177004
Self preservation is the nature of all mortals, even the most basic of mortal life. You cant fault us for wanting to hold onto ourselves any more than you can fault the sun for being a bit warm.

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What does getting hit with a blast of negative energy feel like exactly?

>>50177025
Look into Spheres of Power. Its a third party magic system for PF thats less shit.

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>>50177004

>That spoiler

>>50177025
Most Powered by the Apocalypse games are good altough not everyone likes them. The most popular fantasy PbtA system is Dungeon World but it has some flaws. Besides that, maybe D&D 5E?

>>50177040
>What does getting hit with a blast of negative energy feel like exactly?

What's the opposite of happiness, good thoughts, warmth and growth?

That.

>>50177025
I have Vanician replacements, but your not getting a spell casting system in PF that isn't list based.

The closest that comes to listless is Spheres.

>>50177025
Well, look at your armor section. You've got it talking about a Dexterity Penalty, but it isn't a dexterity penalty. It's an Armor Check Penalty. That's what it is. That's what it's called, that's what it means. Dexterity Penalty sounds like, ESPECIALLY TO PEOPLE WHO DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT IS MEANT TO BE, like it's a penalty to your actual Dex score. It's an example of it just being a bad idea.

Weapons have crit ranges, but no multipliers. It's basically just... reprinting the CRB weapons, except the CRB weapons table already exists. It is there, easily accessible, right on the SRD. Why not use it?

Like, if you're going to play Pathfinder, then play Pathfinder.

If you want to play Pathfinder without Vancian casting, then use Words of Power, Psionics, Spheres of Power, or one of the other homebrew/3pp/alternates.

If you want to explain things in person, then just print the relevant pages. Get a PDF, it's in the OP of the thread under the Trove, and print the relevant pages. Or just print the SRD page. It's not hard.

>>50177033
Of course, but everything ends. That's an universal rule. Despite your self preservation you will die all the same and the best you can do it to get at peace with that thought. Don't let your base instincts and delusions of grandeur lead you to the wrong path. That's how we get villains.

>>50176871
I had at least, like, three character concepts that revolved around shapeshifting. One of which was just as close to "is just a half-dragon" as you could get without actually BEING a half-dragon.

>>50177069
>That's an universal rule

And rules were made to be broken, kinda like the one broken by the Soul Anchor!

Gosh, are you going to be such a draaaaaaag like ole Pharasma who's all "now don't go touching weird shimmering orbs, I need your droplet of soul for this big-ass river!"

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>>50177069
Then a villain I shall be!

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>>50176995
Life and Death must be kept under control. There are many who fear Death turned rampant - but what of Life unchecked? A tree that refuses to die denies its youngers their time in the sun's light, and denies the soil and the insects and the fungi its nutrients.

There are so few who realize this, even in the great Druidic circles. The fire may come, but what grows back afterward could not have done so without it.

All things find purpose in Death, just as they do in Life. All things find rest.

Would you rather lie awake, in pain and exhaustion, when it is time to go to sleep?

>>50177107
>Would you rather lie awake, in pain and exhaustion, when it is time to go to sleep?
It's not sleep I'm afraid of, it's never waking back up.

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>>50177107
>Would you rather lie awake, in pain and exhaustion, when it is time to go to sleep?

>>50177107
>? A tree that refuses to die denies its youngers their time in the sun's
You can't deny something that is not. Without death there is but one summit, all shall be perfect!

>>50176945

Basically a level 9 fighter is a master of arms - the kind of which a region may have just a pair of. That does not automatically determine your profession, though. That character would good at fighting and almost inhumanly tough, but how they leverage this is up to them.

Presuming your character has good social stats and at leat a modicum of ambiion, they could be:

A decorated veteran, sergeant or non-commissioned officer in a local army, guard or mercenary outfit. You are a lot better than most professional soldiers, so you may be sent where things are hard and possibly rewarded with some leadership duties .

A fighting tutor to a nobleman or a fencing school: you are already better than most anyone you meet, so you may be expected to teach ohers

A city or noble's judicial champion: if the culture has the tradition of trial by combat, great one-on-one warriors may be held on retainer, just in case some jackass demands the right.


A bodyguard of a nobleman or another influential person : Fighters are not necessarily the best at spotting trouble in Pathfinder, but you are still quite good at handing anyone who tries to use brute force.

A minor noble: whether due to birth or achievements on the battlefield, your character is a noble and has lands and people who support him. This is most likely in a feudal society where nobles are expected to fight for their liege, so the liege has a motivation to have nobles who can actually fight well.

>>50177042
>>50177044
>>50177055

Thanks, I'll look into those (except 5e, I've played 5e and don't really care for it).

>>50177064

Fair. This is why I like feedback.

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>>50177117
Fear not, child. All things travel in cycles. Where the fruit of your soul falls, your memories may be gone, but what made those memories worth making will remain.

Burden not the seedling with the aches of the old oak, as your forebears have not burdened you.

>>50177148
Look into Swords and Wizardry, m8. It's a fun, free, rather light retroclone, and it's got enough f a following that it's got a decent bit of homebrew and extra content around.

>Wotr supposedly happens tomorrow

>DM never chose people

This is what depression feels like.

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>>50177167
I'm not going to go quietly with some god's plan!

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>>50177194
A bitter taste but one you should be used to.

>>50177204

>(B) EXTEND ARM

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>>50177206
i know this taste.

>>50177234

>That gif

Ain't that the story of my life.

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>>50177194

It was a fun campaign to plan for, at least!

>>50177293

Literally me at work.

>graduate from vet tech school, where we learned 99% about cats, dogs, horses, cows, sheep, goats, and pigs
>land a nice job at an exotics only clinic at the start of Summer
>extremely busy season, thrown in and have to either sink or swim with zero training
>end of Summer, everyone's getting evaluations
>get told I'm not where I need to be, we're finally going to finish my training
>manager tells me I'm doing great, doctors tell me I've improved a lot
>re-evaluation this past Monday
>you're still not where you need to be, you have a month to improve or your pay's getting docked

Fuck me.

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>>50177204
It will be better for you in the long run. You may believe you wish to outlast your time, but that is a lie.

The oldest dragons are truly pitiable. They have watched so many, even of their own antediluvian kind, fade away. They are so very alone, so very tired, so very cold.

The undead cannot dream. They cannot even truly sleep - only lie in wait. Even the vampire or the lich, which retains so much mortal faculty, is robbed of this basic capacity for rest, in this world and the next.

It is perhaps Pharasma herself, however, who ought to be mourned - for when her task is finally done, she will have watched every star in the universe find its rest at last, and every mortal soul meet with its rightful place. Even the other gods will have long since been granted the privilege of rest. And she will know in that moment that the long cycle is at its end, the universe to descend into the primordial chaos from which it sprang.

Only the mad Groetus will have to stay awake any longer than she, and even then only to at last put her to bed.

>>50177350
I don't want to sleep, druid
There's so much left to be done in the world
so many people left to save

I'm writing out more Kineticist talents right now.

How does this talent sound?

>Pure Elemental Infusion
>Substance Infusion, Burn 3
>5th level (must be at least level 10 to select it)
>Requires Draining Infusion
>Allows you to deal damage even against opponents with immunity to your element, and increases the amount of damage taken by an elemental with the subtype that matches yours that makes their fortitude save to 1/2 the normal amount of damage, instead of 1/4th.

Should I run Red Hand of Kingmaker's Doom?

>>50177350
Don't accept the world for what it is, druid. The truly great dare to change the world and see it for what it could be.

My friends may pass without me, but what of the new friends I'll make? What of the new adventures, sights yet unseen, mysteries yet unsolved?

Life, as they say, goes on. I intend to see where.

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>>50177412
That may be, but others will come after you to do it. To burden yourself eternally, and deny younger heroes their quests, is to invite only suffering.

You cannot put it on yourself to save everyone. No one can bear that burden, not even the gods themselves. Save what you can, but you cannot put the whole world in a bottle.

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>>50177350
I love me some good writefaggotry

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>WotR is DOA
>RotJR is not for months

Are there any other games recruiting here or elsewhere that /pfg/'s interested in?

>>50177069
That's just looser speak for someone who's too much of a pussy to not become a lich.

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>>50177530
The world is as it is for a reason. If you do the work of the next generations, what will be left for them to do? If you plumb all of the secrets of this world and those beyond, what reason will your children have to learn?

If the old oak never falls, where will the seedling grow? Winter must give way to spring, spring to summer, summer to fall, and fall to winter again. Day and night must come in turns, yielding to one another's rightful time and place. The phases of the moon must take their turns. Why not you, then?

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>>50176758
She is the cold steel...

>>50176945
It depends on the campaign setting.

>>50176837
Primal Fury has some maneuvers that let you charge without drawing AoO.

>>50177107
Exceptions are not impossible. Just as sometimes balance requires culling lives early, so to can it be served, or simply unaffected, by staving off death.

Sure, that tree in the forest denies other trees by doing so. But what if it's no longer in a forest? Or what if it is the sole remaining tree after a cataclysm?

Likewise, the time controller in his little offworld tower may have fulfilled all of the requirements that death would have of him, and yet still be alive - no longer causing any shit or interfering in any way, yet not being gone.

>>50176354
I take Wedded to History from dragon 354. Immortality at level 1.

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>>50177626
Thanks for your input, Xykon.

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Okay, so Knowledge (Local) is the one I want to pump points in if I want to know all the right people in a city's criminal underworld, right?

>>50176354
>Immortality Edition. How will your PCs achieve it?

Mythic Tier 1, take the "Immortal" universal ability.

Congrats, you're immortal!

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>>50177682
Explain jellyfish, or(theoretically) lobsters. Those motherfuckers have the potential to live forever, but I don't hear you complaining about them. Face it, this cycle shit is baloney, any species has the potential to live indefinitely, only the fittest are allowed to survive, and if that includes immortality, they so be it.

Liches4unlife

>>50177689
Avoiding AoO when charging is pretty important, but I'm pretty sure Piercing Thunder and Primal Fury have maneuvers. Though Primal Fury does get it sooner. Though combining a huge size feline with Primal Warrior Stance might equal big damage.

>>50177682
Cuz I had the foresight to take action. And why should outsiders get to live forever but I dont?

And what do you think, the world never changes? That new mysteries aren't made?

Also, if outsiders don't die, and there's still mysteries and adventures to be had, that means either they're lazy as hell, or there's plenty of adventure to go around.

>>50177771
>Liches4unlife

Liches are the bitch-ass way to eternal life, you can straight up get a sip of Mythic juice and become immortal, or get a Sun Orchid Elixir and reset the clock to your youth.

>>50177764
>Okay, so Knowledge (Local) is the one I want to pump points in if I want to know all the right people in a city's criminal underworld, right?

Yes

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>>50177830

>+21 to Knowledge (Local)

Would this represent knowing the best clean-up crew or crooked cop as casually as the average person might know their next-door neighbor?

>>50177866

Probably considering

>Know hidden organizations, rulers, and locations

Is a DC 20

>>50177866
It'd be like always "knowing a guy" for any kind of task in my opinion

Anyone got the Curse of the Crimson Throne Anniversary PDF?

>>50177917
More like "Anyone got blood of the beast leaks?"

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>>50177900
>>50177890

That's exactly what I'm going for with this character, awesome!

>>50177917
not for you.

>>50176027
>Half the justifications for rules are 'A gentleman's agreement not to break the game solves this'

>The other half of the rules are things that said gentleman's agreement should solve

Yes I'm replying to a 4 hour old post in a dead thread

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>>50176354
I wanna do a steelfist gestalt but I also wanna help the party. I'm torn between a Bard for the team number boosts and an oracle because some of them give that awesome CHA->Dex armor swap and the spell/channel utility. Also I can punch things hard and then deflect attacks with my smile/animal instincts.

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>Make a new character
>The monk gets into an IC argument with him and challenges him to unarmed combat
>My guy is built around grappling and has a +19 CMB to grapple and deals 3d6+8 damage plus 1d8+6 per round in a grapple
>And has +31 Stealth
>We're level 7
Needless to say, laughs were had

>>50177579
I'm planing on doing a world gen for my next PF game using Civ 5 and some people I know IRL

My players will never know how I got such a nice world with information about all the nations and cities.

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>>50177984
BE A SYMPHOGEAR! GO BARD! HAVE A DETERMINATION TO FIST!

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>>50177984

Go Oracle, you sexy manwhore.

If you get a disability it will only make you more endearing to the cute girls that want your hot sexy bod.

The SRD lists the FCB for a human warlord as +1/6 of a bonus combat feat while all other races with this FCB are +1/5, is this a typo?

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I'm new here so uh, hi.

What's everyone's opinion on Lizardfolk and Gnolls as PC's?

What would you change about it? Be it nerfs or buffs.

>>50178052
>Gnolls as PCs
That's inviting trouble.

>>50178052
>Gnolls as PC's?
How big is her dick?

>>50178052
Lizardfolk need buffs, and they need multiple variants.

>>50178052

My players are not furries so I have never had this come up. They also delight in slaughtering reptiles of most forms.

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>>50178079

>tfw I will never ever play a Lizardfolk

IT'S
NOT
FAIR

>>50177984

Bards are pansies, go oracle.

>>50177040
You know that feeling you get when you walk down the stairs in the dark and you miss the last step? Or maybe the feeling dread when you imagine the loss of your loved ones? That is what it feels like, cold, heart-stopping, empty, subductive. But like a candle to a bonfire, negative energy is a greater, physically harmful version of this.
TL:DR Stress Anon, it feels like stress.

>>50178072
How so? I'm sort of new to DMing so kind of just curious, or is it just the furry aspect?

>>50178079
Care to give me a few examples as well as reasons?

>>50178080
neat, just trying to get an idea of them for a player's sake, they're new to pathfinder.

>>50178077
bigger than yours faggot

>>50177984
Oracles bring a lot of boosts to parties too, depending on your mystery.

>>50178142
>How so? I'm sort of new to DMing so kind of just curious, or is it just the furry aspect?

Gnolls are turbo-furry and among the most reviled races in Golarion - they're basically Orcs but *worse*, which is an incredible thing to say when Orcs in Golarion are rape-machines.

>>50178020
Even if I'm lame after a an old wound I gained defending my temple?

>>50178162

>Lame
>Now the tough lady-knight has an excuse to carry you

>>50178142
>>50178154
Beyond the furry/rape thing, they're generally a evil race so players might be inclined to steal from/fight the party because "it's what my character would do"

>>50178142
It's the fact that Gnolls are hyena's and hyena's are magical realm as fuck.

>>50178169
you mean giant wolf-girl

>>50178142
Lizardfolk guy here, I'll post later. I'm currently filling out some forms.

The short version is that they were a primarily NPC-only race that got no attention or support. They need to be brought in line with PC races, they need feat support, and there needs to be variants for small ones, large ones, medium ones, and alternate racial traits so you can adapt and customize them to various terrains/places of origin, and to provide some customization in character creation for them.

>>50178181

Giant wolf-girl, tough lady-knight, chesty Tiefling cook, at the end of the day *one of them* is carrying you and mild intentional or accidental molestation may occur.

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>>50178052

Gnolls are bastards, son. They don't like you, and they want to see you suffer, because that shit is hilarious.

Lizards are primitive savages who want you out of MAH SWAMP.

>>50176454
Vagina's del tempo? More like LOS MAGOS DEL TEMPO. Time to toss some d4's

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>>50178154
>>50178170
>>50178177
ah okay I could see how that would maybe be an issue, I will probably point them to play lizardfolk then.

>>50178202
That sucks, but I look forward to it.

>>50178219
>Lizards are primitive savages who want you out of MAH SWAMP.

>tfw will never play a heavily-armored Lizardfolk barbarian traveling with the party because he wants a swamp of his own and the party bard is the only one that speaks his language.

>>50178237
THIS IS MY SWAMP

>>50178234
Eh, fuck it, I need a break anyway.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/more-races/standard-races-1-10-rp/lizardfolk-8-rp

This is your base Lizardfolk. It's 8RP, and while RP are a fairly shit system, it's at least a vague representation of how strong it is, and you should be already going "Oh fucking christ." right about now just from that.

They're a lackluster statblock that's basically "I am a martial. I am only a martial, ever. This is all."

They have no alternate racial traits, no feat support, no actual bonuses to anything other than beating shit to death.

There SHOULD be variants for tiny, agile lizards. Little ones that run across the desert on quick feet to avoid the scorching sand. Little jesus lizards that run across the water. Tiny little salamanders with poisonous skin.

There SHOULD be variants for larger ones. There should be some King Lizard shit, where you're basically a playable Ghonhatine or mini-Godzilla or komodo dragon. There should be variants with huge jaws for being a crocodile, and RIP AND TEARing things to death with them.

There should be various normal variants. Forest lizards, jungle lizards, aquatic ones. Ones from deserts, ones with poison, claws, bites, sharp scales. Weird elemental lizardfolk.

But what did we get? We got fuckall. We got a generic goddamn beastfolk race that got JUST enough content to technically exist, but an uninteresting enough printed statblock and info that it will never get any further expansion. Paizo fucked us, yet again, in one of their many ways.

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>>50177866
>>50177764

>mfw campaign with heavy emphasis on political intrigue and urban dealings
>mfw I'm the only chucklefuck that invested in Knowledge (Local)
>mfw every time a name's mentioned or an event referenced I'm the only one that knows what the heck they're talking about

GOD DAMMIT DO I HAVE TO BE THE WISEGUY IN THIS GROUP?

>>50178297

>tfw I love being a skill monkey but hate being the party face

Fuck off guys. I am not talking to the aristocracy when the paladin and the bard have CHA maxed out

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>>50178297
>>50178344
>mfw like being the skill monkey
>mfw other players are playing 2+Int, Cha-based spellcasters vs my alchemist with fucktons of Int
>mfw they complain when I do better on knowledge checks

>>50178293
Wow you're really passionate about this - and I can't help but find myself agree, fucking stupid that the Blood of the Beast player companion that's coming out doesn't even seem to hint at lizardfolk being a thing they're touching upon despite it being

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>>50178373
>>50178344
>>50178297

>You built yourself to be the help
>You didn't want the limelight
>You didn't want to be the party face
>You just wanted the chance to stand in the back and be the quiet smartie pants
>mfw you make a Local check and heyoo you're now the one talking to the informant you happen to know while the 20 Charisma Sorceress twiddles her thumbs in the back
>mfw you're always the one talking now because nobody wants to fucking roleplay beyond Diplomacy rolls and the Knowledge rolls are stacking up
>mfw you've now apparently got like a half-dozen named NPCs that know you, some good some bad
>mfw you finish a session and realize you're not just the party face, but the party focus

I
JUST
WANTED
TO
HELP

>>50178376
It's the same with basically any non-core race. The vast majority of them are really just "Human, but X", and they're boring in terms of fluff, boring in terms of mechanics, or they just lack an actually useful niche they can help fill.

>>50178373

That is the worst.

>playing an UC rogue just to be the skill monkey
>paladin and bard in the group get mad that I have all these knowledge checks and swim just to boot
>get pissed at me when we come to a river and need to identify the fucking hippo that wants to bite us

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>>50178420

>Aww geez anon, why you gotta always take the spotlight with those knowledge checks and telling the party what to do?

>things you do that you know /tg/ will hate

>changed magic item crafting entirely
>magic item crafting now requires a feat chain, but does not have a CL requirment
>first you take skill focus in a craft skill
>then you take Master Craftsman (allowing you to create masterwork items)
>then you take Magical Craftsman, which allows you to make magic items with that one craft
>scroll/potions/wands skip one of these feats, making it a two feat chain instead of three
>the crafting is more specific, meaning you take three feats to craft ONLY magic armor or ONLY magic weapons or ONLY magic leather goods
>classes like wizard now get Skill Focus Craft(Calligraphy) or Craft(Alchemy) or Craft(Woodwork), other classes that get crafting feats get similar
>level requirements are gone for crafting feats, meaning a human expert can craft magic arms/armor at level 3 by spending his two level 1 feats and his level 3 feat

>magic item shops in my games are next to non-existent and you generally won't find shops stocking magic items save for very heavily used stuff (bags of holding), and then it'll be high end stores
>this is true except for shit like low level potions/scrolls
>instead you can go find a Magic Artisan and get an item commissioned, these are much more common
>this means you have to wait around for the item to be made
>if you need something quick you can instead go to a large city were adventures, like you, are selling shit they pulled out of tombs/dragon lairs/etc.
>generally you won't find exactly what you're looking for this way, but will probably find something at least kinda close

>>50178453

Ohmygosh I didnt mean it! I just wanted to pick locks, disarm traps and maybe join the thieves guild! I dont even like this attention. I want fade into the corner of the tavern like a good rogue with my hood up and wearing all black.

>>50178408
>tfw perfectly fine making all the decisions for the party
>but extremely conscious of being that guy hogging the spotlight so I give my suggestion and then hold myself back and wait for party consensus
>everyone else just gives a noncommital 'yeah whatever works' that takes ten minutes to settle on

>>50178471
>but extremely conscious of being that guy hogging the spotlight so I give my suggestion and then hold myself back and wait for party consensus
>everyone else just gives a noncommital 'yeah whatever works' that takes ten minutes to settle on

This is the worst, especially when there's that long silence while they wait for you to continue being the impromptu party leader.

>>50178471

Why is it so hard to make a decision!
>guys here are 4 plot hooks and some decent sandbox area
>"eh what ever is good"
>"sure lets do that"
>soooooooo do what?

Fuck make up your minds. Our games last 6 hours because 4 or 5 of it is standing around town with our thumbs up our asses.

>>50178506

I don't know about you, anon, but I make decisions all the time.

Granted, this always ends with my character becoming the focus and everyone quietly getting annoyed by the focus, but I'd rather have that than hours of, "why the fuck are we adventuring again?"

Congratulations Mr. Paladin, you're getting dragged into an inter-tribal feud because my Barbarian had a pair and declared we need to see a man about a stolen cow.

>>50178534

>tfw I make a fighter join the mages guild because he just wanted to go with it

Now I have to make scrolls and wands for him to keep up or we both get kicked out!

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>>50178568
>Now I have to make scrolls and wands for him to keep up or we both get kicked out!

AND THE PROM'S TOMORROW!

>>50178590

How will I ever convince the cute girl to go with me when I cannot even finish my enchanting homework to learn the right charm spells! UGH!

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>>50178609

Silly fighter, don't you see? You don't need a charm spell to woo the cutie patootie magical girl, you just need to bee yourself

>>50178629

>tfw the high CHA sorc and the high STR fighter get all the girls while my high INT wizard is making items so the other two dont fail

Cucked again.

>>50178638
Why not intentionally curse the items so they're no longer attractive to others.

>>50178454
no seriously fuck off, I'd just leave the game at that bullsht

>>50178662

I'm NG!

>>50178678
Then charge them extra, but still under market price!

>>50177107
I've always liked predator / blight druids.

One is the supernatural slasher villain preying upon the weak. Tooth and Claw natural order and all that.

Blight druids *are* the disease, they are the parasite. They see rot and encourage it. Funguses, Molds, "death", these are their domain. cordyceps fungus druids are *terrifying* and they work both above ground and in underdark like locals - particularly where they can tend luminescent fungus fields

Extra points if they 'tame' some creatures like Otyughs or Final Fantasy Malboro's (whose bad breath is actually quite enticing to creatures attracted to decay).

>>50178638

What if the high INT wizard is a fujoshi that's writing filthy fan-fiction of the sorcerer and fighter in the margins of her scrolls?

>>50178715
>fujoshi

I dont know what that is.

how to powergame with Cryptic?

How is feindbound marauder?

>>50178728

>Fujoshi (腐女子 ?, lit. "rotten girl") is a self-mockingly pejorative Japanese term for female fans of manga and novels that feature romantic relationships between men

>>50178728
Yaoi obsessed fan-girls.

>>50178728

A fujoshi is essentially a female otaku; a pervert obsessed with romance and sex and often trying to ship people together just so they have material for their schlick-fic later that week.

>>50178052
>What's everyone's opinion on Lizardfolk and Gnolls as PC's?

Both are furbait territory sadly, which kind of sucks because both can be fairly entertaining.

Lizardmen let you play big (or small) primordial savages with very few relate-able emotions.

Gnolls can be wonderful cackling bastards. As a wonderful side-note gnolls are sometimes employed as mercenaries in campaigns against undead heavy nations, because not only are they big and tough they're capable of eating rotten/dead flesh without any penalties. So after they kill some ghouls / zombies / skeletons they sit down and feast.

The fact that Myrmidons gains 6 level initiating in exchange for only 5 bonus feats is insane.

I heard something about combining 6 level initiating with some feat to grab 7th level maneuvers. Is that a thing or not?

>>50178800
>The fact that Myrmidons gains 6 level initiating in exchange for only 5 bonus feats is insane.
that's only because the fighter was so shit it needed it for a leg up.

>>50178293
Hell even variants for ones from northern climes.

I live in canada and we found a salamander in the field a few weeks ago. They normally dig about 6 feet deep (to get below the frost line) and hibernate for winter, then they come out again. They can live to be about 20 years old and grow up to a foot long and they mostly hunt bugs.

But yeah, I agree with what you've said.

>>50178800
They get full initiator levels if they don't multiclass too much, they can grab up to 9th with the feat.

>playing Hobgoblin
>lived most of life in oppressive family, son of a general
>mother died before he could remember
>father highly abusive to mold son into perfect soldier (father was injured young in a campaign, transition to first managing supply train then became a strategist after victory at a siege)
>arranged marriage to daughter of other general
>father changed from living through son to becoming jealous of son succeeding where he had failed
>father now bitterly hates war hero son
>sent son on numerous suicide missions
>son continues to survive
>comes back bitter and hateful
>in a moment of weakness and rage he rapes his bride to be
>word gets out
>father disgraced
>son put on trial, hobgoblin culture treats rape differently, but it's still a terrible crime
>father is fined, son is exiled after being mutilated (they put him to the lash for 200 lashes, which kills the vast majority of people)
>surprisingly character survives
>walks free
>for the first in life doesn't feel tied down by obligation

Is this too edgy of a backstory?

>>50178825
What feat?

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DM Confession time.

My PCs are a bunch of weaboo murderhobos who only play humans in a clear exercise of their not-at-all subtle racism. Most of our sessions are a mix of blatant weeb faggotry and the roleplay equivalent of "ironic" shitposting. The players loathe anything prewritten, the core PF setting, and anything Paizo has a hand in.

So as their DM, I run them through nothing but free to download Pathfinder Society quests reskinned in a different setting with all of the helpful NPCs as furries and all of the enemies as backstabbing, deceitful humans. This essentially results in the PCs allying with the enemies and killing nonhumans for little reason other than being nonhuman.

Their murderhoboing is single-handedly destroying Fake Absalom, and my players couldn't be happier.

>Hailed as a great DM
>Such deep writing. So dark. Much gritty. Wow.

Strangely enough, I love those miserable bastards and it's the best game I've been a part in.

>>50178844
Yes.

>>50178860
That's not even something to feel guilty about, that just sounds like good DMing.

>Players hate paizo stuff
>So reskin all the paizo stuff away

>Players like the enemies better than the allies
>You don't railroad them, let them switch sides, and run with it

>>50178844
Depends on the character himself. Could be or could not be. Is he a brooding loner? From your last line doesn't seem like it.

>>50178862
That really depends. If he feels bad about what he did then it could not be. Nothing he wrote is inherently edgy.

>>50178883
For most games having rape at all is edgy.

>>50178920
The character in question is both ashamed of what he did and doesn't tell the party why he was exiled. They know he did something, but not what. The only person who knows it is rape is the GM.

In character it has been two years since he was exiled, during which he became a mercenary and generally continued living his life. Only thing he knows about back home is that the girl he raped is now married, and his father rose to power attack after something shady happened (he doesn't know exactly what). He doesn't plan on returning because he viewed what he did as generally monstrous.

>>50178872
I suppose that's fair.

I just always feel a little guilty that all I have to do is change names and races and suddenly I'm being hailed for having written it. I mean, I try not to be too blatant about it, considering their campaign is now essentially saving Fake Absalom from furry overlords by siding with the underground human resistance. A far cry from the core setting to be sure, but there's still that guilt when I use the pregenerated statblocks, treasure, and most importantly: maps. God I had making maps from scratch. Probably because I'm absolute shit at it.

>>50178965
You're overthinking this. One of the core values that defines a good DM is the ability to shamelessly steal material from other sources without letting your players realize where you steal it from, especially in areas where your own creative abilities fall flat.

You're doing well.

Skinwalkers can come from lycanthropic blood getting into any humanoid bloodline, right?

So which types are likely most common among which races? Witchwolves are probably the most common among Humans, but what about Elves? Dwarves? Even Orcs?

>>50178920
If he went around raping people constantly that'd be edgy. A back story that happens to have rape in it isn't edgy.

>>50178999
Huh, never thought of it like that. Well, I'll take comfort in that I'm not the only blatant thief out there that's filing off serial numbers.

Thanks anon

>>50178497
Worse yet, none of them fucking suggest anything, including 'spotlight' people after they've made their not-so-grand-as-just-loud entrance with no actual plan, and AFTER those ten minutes when you suggest using your plan if no one else has any damn idea, YOU get accused of trying to hog the spotlight all the time.

>>50178534
>It's always you who's saying what we should do, you're not the fucking leader

I didn't say I was, but everyone else is literally "brooding darkly in a corner", do you even call that fucking roleplaying? SOMEBODY fucking do SOMETHING, ANYTHING?

>Well we were considering our options

YOU. WENT. TO. SUBWAYS.

>>50178732
powergame and cryptic do not belong in the same paragraph let alone sentence; not without "does not" or "cannot" in the same sentence.

So, acrobatics vs CMD to avoid AoO.
>If you fail the check, you both do not move and also take the AoO

I haven't seen many GMs actually run it this way.
What are pfg's experiences?
How have you homeruled it?

>>50179350
Im not even sure what Fiendbound Marauders have to do with Cryptics.

>>50179363
Nothing, they were obviously two different questions in the same post.

>>50179010
>Dwarves

Werebats / Wereboars / Werebears.

>Elves?

Werebats / Werecats / Wererats.

>Orcs

Werebears / Wereboars. Other types crop up but they're a bit rarer.

Weretigers / were-crocs / were-sharks are more location-ally dependent.

was working on a backstory for a human raised by an Orc chief, wanted to get /tg/'s opinion on it/if it's too edgy.

>Raised among a savage orc tribe
>she was just a baby leftover from a village raid, pulled on the chief's hand as he uncovered her from the crib, he couldn't bring himself to kill her since he had recently lost his own daughter
>Was raised by the chief/boss of the orcs (So she never got raped.)
>She was made fun of for being weak and scrawny since she had difficulty lifting most of the weapons offered to her.
>The Orc's raid a bandit camp, come back with a lot of lighter weapons that they normally would smelt down for armor/better weapons
>One of the weapons catches her eyes
>It's a Elven Curve Blade
>Adoptive father notices that she is drawn to that weapon
>Fast forward ten years or so, she's come of age and mastered her weapon so now she must take the tribes rite of passage to become the next chief.
>one of the other orcs will claim the spot for themselves if she doesn't pass the rite of passage and so she goes on an adventure to complete it

I was thinking mechanically go unchained rogue for the first few levels to get dex to damage, little bit of sneak attack and then go into fighter?

Or just continue the unchained rogue path?

Also if anyone might have some art that might fit this character, I would appreciate that greatly as I've had some trouble finding anything I like.

>>50179400
>>50179010

Elves love the forests, they should also have a lot of werewolves and wereboars.

>>50178858
Advanced Study. Base PoW book.

>>50179404
Boars would be a bit more uncommon among elves due to their sheer *anger*. If they did crop up often among elves they'd probably be shunned.

Bears are a bit... incongruous due to their strong lawful inclinations, unless you're going with more "warcraft" oriented elves.

I'd kind of like to see a bird / turtle skinwalker though.

>>50179401
>can't *lift* the orc weapons
>yet strong enough to master an elven curve blade

Except for the double-axe and the rarer-still skull-ram (which is a fucking ram) the weapons used by orcs are for the most part no heavier than curveblades.

>>50179400

>Elven wererat skinwalker
>Attempts to maintain stereotypical elven haughtiness
>Undermined somewhat by rodent instincts

This seems really funny to me for some reason.

>>50179433

Elves are a pretty varied people, anon. Many of them might enjoy the raw passion and powerful focus on family a wereboar has.

Bear makes sense though, and I always figured that would be a more Andoran/Linnorm Kingdoms thing.

>>50179433
>>50179400
>>50179010
Amusingly were-croc-kin are *the single most common* skinwalkers. Their description has them fit in well with orcs.

>>50179459
it's homebrew and the DM has it to be weighed at 3 lbs, they changed a lot of the weights around for whatever reason.

>>50179486
>Amusingly were-croc-kin are *the single most common* skinwalkers

Wait, what. Shit, really? Why? I thought Witchwolves would be the most popular.

>>50179478
Didn't /tg/ already have this thread?

>>50179482
>inb4 werebear skinwalker of uncertain elf-like heritage
>inb4 NElf purple skin

>>50179511

>Implying a tall, well-built purple-skinned Elven type with a strong sense of family and huge dorky ears wouldn't be the COOLEST shit ever

>>50179496
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/more-races/standard-races-1-10-rp/skinwalkers-10-rp

Read the entry.

They're the most common, they're kind of lazy but thick skinned, they're ruthless but patient, and they like to fuck. They're also rather fucking mean and they like to intimidate. This probably means that in tribal hierarchies they climb the social ladder, install themselves at the top and make a harem.

>>50179545
It's somewhat contradictory because the entry says that both witchwolves and scalehearts are the most common.

I'd say that this is most likely to mean that scalehearts have the larger numbers, but witchwolves have the better distribution.

>>50179496

Frankly, I blame the Osirians.

>>50179533
I mean, it'd be pretty neat, but at some point someone would insist their hue means Drow heritage and then it all just gets so awkward.

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yfw you realize lizardfolk have access to four sacred weapon attacks at level 7

I'm confused can someone explain to me how advanced study lets me gets 7-9 level maneuvers as a 6 level initiator?

Thinking about getting back into the game, I used to DM 3.5. Outside of the Core Rulebook whats the number 1 book I should buy a physical copy of?
I got pdfs, but I like deadtrees, especially at the table.

>>50179571

Most people don't know what the heck a Drow is, the Winter Council keeps a really tight lid on those guys.

To the vast majority of people, they'd just look like an extra-exotic elf.

>>50179545
That's actually easily explained, because the PFSRD can't have anything Golarion-specific. The actual line that they're quoting is that they "are the most common variety of skinwalker in the Mwangi Expanse and The Shackles".

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>>50179496

>tfw no Witchwolf waifu

>>50179591
also im a huge weeb if that helps

>>50179010
depends more on geography than race i imagine

if you live where werewolves are, you'll get more witchwolves

Awoos are best other skinwalkers A SHIT

>>50179478
nightskulks tend to integrate well to their surrounding culture. They also don't really find it shameful to attribute some of their dexterity and wit to rodentlike behavior.

They have a 'secretive nesting' instinct as well as some covetousness, but they also like to have companions and share stories.

They also *love* plush furs.

I could easily be them 'important' scouts and skilled tradesmen in elf society.

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>>50179613
it happens

>>50179604
But the wereshark entry references the inner seas.

Thanks for the clarification though.

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>>50179621

Damn straight!

>>50179629

Large wolf sub x small cat dom best OTP.

>>50179629
is that the full pic?

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>>50179621
>implying typical alignment of CE has anything on typical alignment of LG

>>50179621
Species also makes up some of it too. Dwarves would be remarkably tolerant of coldborn; they'd tolerate bloodmarked, and if they could get around the prickly-ness of rageborn they could find their passion extremely valuable.

>>50179648

This picture is misleading because we meet a werebear in one of the Pathfinder novels and she's a completely normal looking Ulfen woman.

>>50179648
I want to hug it.

>>50179661
It's almost like they have multiple shapes, and sometimes shift between them.

Like a natural born werebear paladin might look completely normal for most of the time, but then she gets into a fight with an ogre, shifts into her bear form and starts wielding her previously 2 handed axe, singlehanded while trying to bite the damn things throat out.

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>>50179647

Nah, this is the full pic.

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>>50179674
Would happily employ as tinybear as a maid, and treat it to gifts of honey, berries and fish.

>>50179682
>>50179629
I remember using that pic for a witchwolf!

Ok, I'm thinking of a Bloodmarked Elf. I'm considering what class he should be, and I was thinking an investigator at first. However Dire Bat form made me reconsider. Should I instead focus a bit more on natural attacks and be a bloodrager?

What do you all think?

His backstory is gonna be basically this:
>birthed to a werebat
>ended up killing his kin in a moment when he threw off the whole Bloodmarked "flock together" instinct
>disgusted with himself, but realized he is now free

Then again Alchemist is always an idea.

>>50179682
Nice tits - Side note, straight up amazing piece of art, love the hair style and armor to boot.

>>50179696

It's quite popular for Ulfen skinwalkers!

>>50179715
"armor"

>>50179696
its being used for another witchwolf!

>>50179721
Yeah it's definitely not the most practical but the details are well done.

>>50179705
I think killing the family is potentially a bit edgy.

How and why did it happen?

>>50179682
yeah i cropped it down for Herja because i find the cleavage-armor silly

>>50179770

But cleavage armor is great, especially for Ulfen types living in the sweltering south!

>>50179753
Because they were a NE colony of werebats. They did what werebat and werebat kin generally do and that's drain the country side of blood and kill quite a few people. He met an old man in a village and would sneak away, and one night when he learned the flock had killed the old man (the man would be the one who taught him the basics of his class, I'm leaning more towards alchemy) he decided he couldn't do it any longer. He would have killed the matriarch in her sleep, and killed a few more before they woke up and started fighting.

>>50179783
i prefer to leave the rest to the imagination of what she would wear. I personally don't like that part of the picture.

Broken Blade works with Natural Weapons, right?

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>mfw our party just got a child mascot that is pretty much young King Arthur

>>50179828
broken blade is cancer, right?

>>50179842

No, it's a discipline.

>>50179715
The coloration and shading on the paint and the blood looks fantastic on the skin and leather-bits, doesn't it?

>>50179837

Going to teach him about squirrels?

>>50179870

Nah, just going to give him a clout on the ear if he tries to run his mouth around people he shouldn't.

And he's found a friend in the Oracle, which is terribly amusing because he's got the Child curse.

>>50179898
Make him chew soap for foul language, and if hellknights ever come up correct him to make sure he says heck-knights instead.

>>50179957
>Chew soap for foul language

Oh boy, things are going to get awkward if he ever has to talk about Aasimar.

>>50179994
It took me way too long to get that.

>>50179994
phannymar

>>50179994

You think that is bad? You better hope he never has to say "Keleshite."

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>>50179957
I wouldn't inflict punishment like that upon him. He just wouldn't get to cuddle with the cutest of pets.

>>50180070
>>50179994
>>50179957

>mfw he has to talk to a hellknight Aasimar about Keleshite dealings with a Whore Queen.

>>50179994
Ayy-si-marr? I'm not very good at typing out phonetics. Ayyz-ih-mar?

>>50180098
Most people pronounce it Ass-ih-mar.

>>50180134
I thought it went ah-see-mar? Sounds more magical that way.

>>50179641
'Inner sea' is super setting agnostic. Tons of places have what could be called an inner sea. Meanwhile Mwangi is unarguably Golarion

>>50180144
Why are you even in /pfg/ if you aren't going to make everything about asses?

>>50180134
The double a affects pronounciation though.

http://www.pronouncekiwi.com/Aasimar

Most places pronounce it "aa zee marr"

>>50180158
I particularly enjoy the french and german pronounciations of it. The french one rolls and uptilts the end a bit that makes it sound very endearing.

female french accents are fucking hot

>>50180153
Because I play this game and have several character ideas but can't decide on one to definitively build right now.

>>50180248
i wish i could play pathfinder

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Looking for a cheap one time use featherfall-like effect from an item. Is the snapleaf my cheatpest option?

1pp only.

>>50179705
Why not make him a slayer? Your sneak attacks would work with your natural attacks.

It sort of thematically fits your heritage (werebats being evil murder-y things) and it can mix in the old man sort of 'half-training' you as a rogue / ranger and you sort of kitboshing it together.

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>>50180251
Why do you LIE like that?

Thinking about getting back into the game, I used to DM 3.5. Outside of the Core Rulebook whats the number 1 book I should buy a physical copy of?
I got pdfs, but I like deadtrees, especially at the table.
also im a huge weeb if that helps

>>50180308
I like that, makes a good deal of sense.

>>50180364
Weapon Master's Handbook is the only 1pp worth buying with your money. 3pp, I'd say PoW+Expanded and Ultimate Psionics.

>I have players roll for diplomacy before they speak
>tell them to consider the roll with what they say
>if they deliver a great speech with a bad roll despite me saying that, tell them how they fuck it up and say "no yeah you did start drooling half way through"
I give you a chance to fall gracefully, and you ignored it.

>>50180315
i don't lie. I speak only the truth.

>>50180562
Why do you make them roll and roleplay?

>>50180283
why not just buy a ring of feather fall

How do you guys feel about this in a homebrew setting:
>most of the city's religions fall under of of twi main churches
>the two worship different interpretations of the game deity (different alignments and domains)
>the two big churches can accommodate most domains because of numerous saints you can also worship

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>>50180569
I hope one day your wish changes to something more reasonable.

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>>50180562
Yeah see I do the opposite. They roll for how well it was received, effectively. If they actually fucking roleplay and give some good words, that right there's worth a bonus. That way, (remember there's no nat 1 penalties/fumbles with skills) even if they roll like shit, the situation's not as bad than if they just threw in the dice.

Likewise, when the party mage sperges out and combines "I don't need to waste a spell for this" with explaining to the princess how drinking his semen will grant her his protection from the demons - OR ELSE -, right in front of her fucking family, he's going to get run out of town.

True story, btw, though there's not much else to tell than he did exactly that.

>>50180592
i'm dead inside and there is nothing left to give me joy in this world

>>50180591
sounds alright i guess.

>>50180573
I make them roll to determine the outcome, because it's a mechanic the game has. I make them roleplay because this is a role playing game. It satisfies the rp and g aspects of RPG.

>>50180619
What is the point of RP if it doesn't effect the G?

>>50180612
I don't give bonuses for roleplay. I expect people to play their character to his mechanics rather than the mechanics to be the ones that bend. Basically it's a "play the character you made" attitude.

>>50180591
>fall under of of twi
?????

>>50180628
It does. You choose who and how your interactions are framed, under the context of how well they'll be received. There are a lot of different outcomes both well and badly can take. You are the engine go that end. RP most certainly effects the G.

>>50180639
Translation (maybe)
>Two religions worshiping same deity.
>They have different views on the aspect of their deity.
>Saints be whack, yo.

>>50180639
One of two

I had a minor stroke last year, sue me

>>50180633
You've never heard someone give a speech or even just a few lines, and because of a little bit of intonation or the like, it got taken the worst way possible?

Or, take pick-up lines for example. If you're attractive enough, "you wanna go bang in my car" can actually work (if she's drunk enough), but when your head is a pizza and your voice dripping with as much snot as it is autism, even the most romantic poem will get you slapped.

The skill check if you actually speak, is thus best used to measure the reactions in this way, rather than automatically determine that you threw away your cards, picked your nose on stage and started screaming that hillary was all the crook.

http://pastebin.com/jH8jpzgx

A link to some houserules that I am considering. These are just summaries, I can explain in more details if anyone is interested.

Which of these is worth using in my game?

>>50180658
... how much you worth? I'll need a ballpark figure here

>>50180678
None.

>>50180668
There's also the fact that you're penalizing people for not being as coherent as their character.

Do you deny a wizard their extra spells unless they can pass an IQ test at genius-level?

>>50180684
Quite a lot. Like at least 50$

>>50180708
I'll have you know the internet test gave me 130 IQ score, I could potentially cast up to 3rd level spells!

>>50180708
No that would be if I made the autist who can't deliver a good speech get penalties on his diplomacy roll. The way I do it means his roll is what matters and he plays the roll out to the best of his abilities.

>>50180668
>The skill check if you actually speak, is thus best used to measure the reactions in this way, rather than automatically determine that you threw away your cards, picked your nose on stage and started screaming that hillary was all the crook.
I entirely disagree. I have them try and act out their roll. In this way they don't deliver something that doesn't fit the roll and would otherwise make the narrative less cohesive. Mechanics first to give context to roleplay is much better than roleplay then mechanics to interpret it in my opinion.

>>50180678
>1)
Problems:
>Reflex is not as valuable as Fort, and Will is most valuable of all
In some classes the latter two are among the reasons for slightly lesser class abilities early on, or the like.

>No considerations for initiators, manifesters and I guess if you really have to veilweavers
Also there's no consideration for prepared vs spontaneous casters (psion/wilders are equivalent to the latter). Initiators are somewhere in between the 'paladin' and the 'bard' level; being a bit too good at the former's level in combat but not quite good enough AND lacking in versatility/utility for the latter.

>Vital strike still worthless
Vital strike is still worthless in that form

Finally rule 5 is way too vauge and arbitrary, which leads to worries based on your ability to balance things AND/OR possibility of playing favorites or least-favorites.

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>>50180713
See you in court, you typo-happy bastard.

>>50180746
I disagree desu. Fort and Will are of roughly equal value. Both easily have the potential to take you out of a fight entierly.

>>50180757
The will effects are more dangerous party-wide however. Rather than just take you out of the fight, they can turn you on your allies, for a situation that degenerates even quicker.

>>50180562
Skills are there to represent things that the players cannot necessarily do.

I may not be the greatest public speaker in real life, but if my charisma 24 bard with a shitton of ranks in perform and diplomacy isn't a suave motherfucker something is pretty wrong.

>>50180746

>In some classes the latter two are among the reasons for slightly lesser class abilities early on, or the like.

I really don't think so.

Hunter gets good reflex and fortitude. Bard gets good reflex and will. Magus, Inquisitor Skald, and Warpriest get good will and fort.

Why? Probably because Paizo said so.

>>50180746

> worries based on your ability to balance things AND/OR possibility of playing favorites or least-favorites.

What do you mean by this?

Hello, PFGuys, what is your most recent character's class and concept? Cool background?

>>50181086
Brawler/Bloodrager an Uflen Skinwalker.

Also I had a wilder but haha that games not happening.

>>50181079
It basically reads as "I'll come up with special abilities/effects on the fly"

Which means they may be determined by how good a day the GM is having (which can mean that a few hours between various players finishing their characters could have wide-reaching consequences), or even if emotion/friend neutral still depends on the GM's understanding of particular rule interactions.

Consider how many fucktards actually believe the kineticist is OP, and how that would affect their design when adding things to or from it.

How should I write out a key party member that quits? One of the party members who is a pretty key character in this arc got up and left today before a session started saying he doesn't have to "play with nigger lovers and chinks anymore"

Should I just kill him off suddenly or take control of his character?

>>50181099

I'm not sure I get what you mean. Jhou gets only platemail and shortswords. Maybe he can take a feat or something for extra martial arts styles, but that's it.

Did you mean something beyond that or am I missing something?

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>>50181086
A mid/low-high level mythic champion of Xiombarg.

I'm currently deciding whether Hexcraftwer Magus or Mindblade (given their reliance on emotional components) would be more interesting. Maybe Gifted Soulknife, but I'm doubting that one.

The heterochromia is race related - changelings are my current playtoys. I'm starting to switch to caligni, but they have a distinct deficit of racial abilities in comparison (claws+extra damage+natural armor is a good set of abilities).

I'm really glad the Aegis exists so i can think about being Ryuko

Just started washing that show again, its a lot of fun.

>>50181128
I wouldn't want to play in a BLACKED group either

>>50178454
>needing a FEAT to create masterwork items

Sorry, but that's just fucking retarded, plain and simple.

>>50181128
He sounds like an asshole, kill him.

>>50181128
>nigger lovers

B L A C K E D
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>>50181136
Well, for example, your example already has a severe disparity in the 'value' of the martial art sytles.

>Jhou the Fighter's martial arts style gives him the damage capability of wielding two shortswords and the AC of full plate armor
This guy's in trouble. The 'effect' of full plate means his dex to AC is shot, and dual-wielding is in a pretty bad place in pathfinder.

>Sa-Li the Ninja has a martial arts style that gives her the benefit of a Chain Shirt and a Shortbow.
She's got the best light armor and the strongest class of ranged weapons without having to pay for either - and the closest thing to an expense an archer would normally need is paying for things like an adaptive bow.

The mentions of sundering/disarming a style are also rather ill-defined and too vague to make much of a judgement on.

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>>50181165
I'm sure the show will be sparkly clean.

>>50181128
ANACONDA MALT LIQUEUR...

Makes you

OOoooooo

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>>50181208
it will be the cleanest

>>50181182
crybaby

>>50181283
>quits because of "niggerlovers and chinks"
>not a crybaby
Uh huh.

How is there not an 'intelligent suit' set up for Aegis anyways, a-la blackblade?

>>50180581
was hoping for something cheaper than that, and didn't take up an item slot.

it's for an emergency if I fall off my mount, not an all the time thing.

>>50181378
i got you covered, use a snapleaf early, but once you can afford this without it being a bank-breaker

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/r-z/sky-marines-elite-saddle

>>50176354
Do we have a pdf of crimson throne yet?

I'm still waiting for my fucking book to come in the mail.

Amazon.ca still doesn't fucking have it, and after getting frustrated with them for not having the book I preordered, 2 months after its release, I got them to waive the shipping cost to send it to me from the usa.

I still won't get it until next week.

So, pdf?

Has anyone read it yet? How is the update?

>>50181354
wouldn't it make more sense to just use Synthesist Summoner?

>>50181480
I have the PDF but haven't looked at it yet.

>>50181483
Scrubbed pdf? Link?

>>50181504
i don't know where the link for it went

I don't control the trove either.

What character story do you guys think cab be made out of these keywords? A slave-born, House of mages, enigmatic intelligent blade, eldritch horror. Yes I'm having bladebound magus in mind.

>>50181512
Was it linked in a previous pf thread?

>>50181613
yeah if you go back enough you might find it

>>50181624
Found it.

Bit do/rpyg388sp9p5

>>50181299
Boohoo loser

Man, the Eldrich Scion is a total disaster of an archetype.

>>50182376
>Let's make the thing that absolutely makes the Magus be the Magus and give it to them at level 8 instead of level 1

What the fuck.

>>50182461
Well you can use that at level 1 when you're in a state of mystical focus buuuuuuuuuuuut

>As a swift action, he can spend a point of eldritch energy to enter a state of mystical focus for 2 rounds.

Use a swift action every 2 rounds to be useful!

Don't forget that you can't use metamagic with spell combat now!

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