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>Last Thread
>>50150979
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>>50156441
Forgetting the Edition Edition
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Hey does anyone have the new Sisters of Silence assembly instructions and could post a shot of them? I got some off eBay and have no instruktions
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>>50156447
imagine a world where you can just start threads instead of having reddit tier forum rules and stale memes and copypastas required or the village idiots get mad

I have a dream that we can live in this world
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No replies last thread because CSM, but fuck it

I am building a CSM list from both 30k boxes, and I'm doing thousand sons. They're generally vehicle light, and I'm wondering if ectomancy would be alright for getting troops into position with the" free" 18" move.
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>>50156530
use your brain.
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>>50156549
>ectomancy

hmmm what could this be

come somebody give me the rundown of what CSM are like now? been away from the game for a couple years so I have no idea what the meta is like but I'm gonna make a wild guess and say CSM still suck shit since they have no new codex

>what are the most powerful CSM lists now?
>where does CSM fit into the tiers?
>what are the things that stomp CSM especially hard?
>any cool new psychic shenanigans CSM can take advantage of?
>any news on upcoming releases?
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So have been looking to get into Eldar for a while but was put off by what seemed to be a lot of negative bias.
Luckily I don't much like the Wraith units and I don't plan on getting Jet Bikes or Swooping Hawks so I think I should be in the clear.
My favorite "Aspect Warriors" are the Fire Dragons and I am not looking for a huge model count army so I am hoping that for 1000pts the following list will work.

(First list, stole the formating from 1d4chan)

HQ
Farseer 105
>Ghosthelm, Shuriken Pistol, Singing Spear

Elite
Fire Dragons 365
>10 Fire Dragons w/ Exarch in Wave Serpent w/ Ghostwalk Matrix and Star Engines

Troops
Two units of Dire Avengers 265x2
>10 Avengers w/ Exarch in Wave Serpents w/ Holo-Fields

1000/1000

I've been playing 40k vidya and reading the books for a few years and have watched some batreps and have the rulebook+all Eldar Codexs on my tablet, when I went into my local gaming store they had three tables full of people playing but it seems most of them are playing Space Marines. (If that helps with giving insight to my meta, there was also an Imperial Guard and Dark Eldar player)
Could I straight up at Pheonix Lord Feugan to this list and some more Wave Serpent gear to go up the next step in points?
Would you play me?
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>>50156585
>what are the most powerful CSM lists now?

I see a lot of talk about Nurgle CSM lists because bikes are good and +1T is real nice. These are usually allied with Daemons though and propped up on a Daemon Prince or two.

>where does CSM fit into the tiers?

bottom tier, sitting with orks and non-flyrant spamming nids.

>what are the things that stomp CSM especially hard?

Minimal effort.

>any cool new psychic shenanigans CSM can take advantage of?

They can ally with daemons and not be shit at psychic

>any news on upcoming releases?

kek.
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>>50156585
Low Mid tier, with supplements and formations. Low tier otherwise.

Fucking MAGNUS Daemon Primarch for 40k, and Thousand Sons codex. Also other legions are getting codexes and their own respective Daemon primarchs.
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>>50156631
so . . . literally nothing has changed!

well I guess that's a minor plus since I don't need to revamp my army
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>>50156643
>primarch for 40k
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>>50156653
Oh yeah and Loyalist Primarchs too.
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>>50156644
Have you seen traitors hate or whatever their supplement is called?
I think they got formations but I dont know how good they are, they also got new psychic powers.
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>>50156643
>Also other legions are getting codexes and their own respective Daemon primarchs.
Also there is no guarantee and certainly no timeline for this claim.
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Could I get some advice on what to do with my Grey Knights?

Their fluff is cool to me and I like their version of power and terminator armor so after I got my hands on a Rule book and before I downloaded my codex I rushed out and bought a Blood Angel's Terminator Librarian (model has a cool pose and I like the axe) and a box of Paladins.

I still haven't gotten a game in yet and was reading through the rules when I realized I need troops to run an actual army.

Unfortunately not really I love the new models for my birthday last week I got a Land Raider Crusader and a Dreadknight (Is the sword and fist + psycannon a good loadout for this thing btw?)

Now I troops and have heard the Terminators for troops isn't the best gimmick. The problem is that I am at almost 1000pts just with the models I own.

What should I cut too make room for troops and is 1000-1250pts too high to start?
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>>50156656
Can't wait to see old Lion El'Johnson or old Guilliman. Hope they do something cool.
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What chapter should I start to use my spare Mastodon with?

A black templar mobile crusade control post sounds cool as hell>>50156656
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>>50156688
>Guilliman's sarcophagus is a fortification that acts as an objective
:^)
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>>50156697
Didnt mean to quote anyone
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So what are your hopes for Magnus? I'd love to see him have something really super unique, like causing wounds with his sword gives him warp charges for out of phase casting or something. Like maybe not exactly that but you know what I mean, something cool and rule breaking.
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>>50156697
I like the idea of a mobile command post. If it's black templars, put a saints coffin on top of it and surround it in thralls. It would make sense they would combine war and faith almost like SoB.
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I know it's fucking stupid /tg/, but I want to get a 40k tattoo. A chaos undivided star on my chest.
Talk me out of it.
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>>50156631
>orks
>Bottom teir
they're midteir for killteam and bikespam lists.
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>>50156723
For all we know 40k might not exist in a decade and you will feel stupid for the rest of your life.

Even if it does exist, you might just change armies or lose interest altogether.
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>>50156730
>counting kill team for the tier system

Wrong.

I agree though, a good ork player that is running bikespam and reinforces it with Mek Guns can do work.
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>>50156723
An Aquila would be more badass. The chaos Star looks like a star. That's what people would think it is.
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>>50156656
If Dorn comes back in 40k, I want him to be disappointed in the BT. Sigismund was his greatest failure, then Sigi's worshippers are twice the failure, doing the one thing the Emperor forbade all from doing, worshipping him.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Black Templars, I just think it'd be kinda cool. Might be an unpopular opinion, but I dunno.
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>>50156730
I know someone with multiple 40k tatoos but he has been playing for literally decades so unless you are on that level of dedication and not just riding a hype train or having been through the ups and downs of a few edition changes then do not bother permanently putting something on you thats only significance is 40k.
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>>50156549
You're literally getting a brand new Codex for Thousand Sons in like a month, maybe wait for that first?
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>>50156774
Eh sounds kinda boring. There are lots of IF successor chapters, some literally whip canyons into their backs before wars.
I don't understand this whole end times thing. 10,000 years of history and they stick everything at the end.
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>>50156774

>Dorn - "I'm so disappointed, I can't believe you're worshiping the emperor as a god"

>Helbrecht - "Yeah well you tend to find religion when you're using the bodies of your dead brothers as cover because your father made you walk into an obvious trap"

>Templars - "Ooooooohhhhh"
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>>50156441

>>50156666
>those quads
>those rumours
>the lack of any new slaneesh unit on any warhammer since AoS
I'm super scared right now guys
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>>50156826
I dunno mate, the BT are second founding and the only ones who worship Dorn as much as them are the Hammers of Dorn, but they follow the Codex so perfectly that they've mastered the art of venerating the primarch, as detailed by Roboute Guilliman, and therefore do not actually worship.

:^)
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>>50156830
Incidentally, the stage is set in AoS for exactly the same thing. There's even mention of Shadow Daemons.
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>>50156868
I'm just saying any stories involving dorn in 40k should be about the wars he's fighting. Screw the relationships with second founding chapters.
Will he reunite the legion? How many chapters can make it to Terra in time? Does he still give a flip about Terra? What happened on that chaos ship?
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>>50156909
Disclaimer. This is just, like, my opinion man.
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>>50156889
Shadow Daemons who likely serve Malerion the God of Ulgu aka the jailer of Slaanesh.
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BRING BACK MALAL!
[/spoiler]KEEP MALAL GONE!
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>>50156955
I'm not sure whether you meant to screw up your spoiler or not.

Such is the ways of the Chaos god of Chaos.
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How cancerous is to work at a GW store?
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>>50156889
RIP slaneesh I barely cared about you anyways
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Whats everyone working on tonight?

Ive got around 32 marines I need to basecoat left, trying to find motivation.
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>>50156980
Just built my last squad of bolter scouts. Need to prime them tomorrow.
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>>50156955
Be'lakor fills his role in 40K.
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>>50156992
This is false.

Be'lakor is not about Chaos fighting Chaos. Only Malal is. Or perhaps he is not.
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>>50157018
They won't bring back Malal after how it ended with the guy that created it, so the safest bet is that Belacuck will be the one(GW will probably tell he was behind the whole Malal thing anyways).
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>>50156772

runs the risk of being mistaken for nazi iconography
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>>50157074
> runs the added bonus of being mistaken for nazi iconography

ftfy
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>>50156992
>>50157018
>>50157057

a new god of blight shows enters the pantheon

chaotic ratmen begin to appear on the fringes of imperial space...
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Are Vindicare assassins worth it? I'm running guard and I'm a little low on the AT, and I have a spare vindicare lying around.

What are guards most reliable AT? Exterminators w/LC/MM? Vendettas?
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>>50157108
The hornet rat is too redundant because of Nurgle and I love how the other gods just ignore the little shit.
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>>50157125
1-Don't bother

2-Vendettas
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>>50157132

slannesh is the little shit of the chaos gods already

hes always playing distant fourth fiddle

though he isnt redundant
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>>50157018
>Be'lakor is not about Chaos fighting Chaos.

Except he is.

Be'lakor is rebelling against he Chaos Gods. He spends his time destroying their champions or recruiting them in his anti-Chaos God army. His ultimate goal is to topple the Gods of Chaos.
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>>50157161
I thought that was Archaon's shtick.
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>>50157161
>>50157018
>>50156992

>A FUCKING ROCK
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>>50157170
Archaon's is Be'lakor's son-in-shadow. He talks after him.

>>50157172
Shadows cannot be harmed by the physical.
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>>50157184
>a fucking rock though
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>>50157172
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Is an MSU minmaxed list inherently cheesy?

I play Dark Eldar and love Reaver Jetbikes. Have a 1k game coming up Thursday and want to run 5 units of 3.
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>>50157191
No shape or form. Pure shadow. Only magical weapons have hope of harming Be'lakor and even then only if doesn't see coming.

Also Be'lakor, being first daemon ever created, is older than every anti-daemon or banishment spell. This makes him resistant to holy weapons.
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>>50157229
>A >>50157197

>fucking >>50157197

>rock >>50157197
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So, how big are the land battles in 40k? Most of the battles and wars that I have seen seem to be awfully small.
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>>50157229
This just came up.

The Old Ones created massive daemon prisons before the War in Heaven where they threw billions of daemons inside. With Be'lakor being older than any spell of banishment or binding, that makes him possibly older than the Old Ones. I mean he certainly has memories of before the War in Heaven so this is further proof that how based Be'lakor is.
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>>50157243

40k is supposed to be 'skirmish' sized

you can play massive battles but they're a completely imbalanced clusterfuck


or are you talking fluff wise
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>>50156643
>TFW you know alpha legion ain't gonna get jack, no primarch, no scouts, no skimmers, no specialist ammo.
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>>50157263

fluff-wise. Tabletop is barely Battalion or even Company-level.
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>>50157102
knew a guy who had the aquila on his bicep.

was pretty cool and people dont really know what it means.

a chaos star on your chest would be faggish as fuck.
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>>50157241
Wasn't him because

1-Be'lakor cannot exit the Warp via warp portals. It's impossible for him
2-Non-Magical physical objects phase through Be'lakor. Even Magical objects if he sees them coming would phase through his body
3-Be'lakor was destroyed by Archaon at the time of that battle in the Chaos Wastes

You got rock for brains.
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>>50156697
Salamanders
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>>50157293
Why would they make a fake Be'lakor just to get smashed by the lizards? It was him and he got ROCKED by big scaley cocks.
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>>50157199
you could try footslogging huge 20 man warrior squads. terrible idea but you could

with an army like DE they have to do msu in transports otherwise they wouldn't survive
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>>50157321
The Changeling in more than one occasion took the form of Be'lakor.

Also they used Be'lakor model as a count-as random daemon prince because DP models at the time of that WD looked like crap.

Sorry, the fluff is the fluff. Rocks cannot hurt shadow and Be'lakor cannot into Warp portals. And Be'lakor was in the Chaos Wastes bonding with his son.
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>>50157350
Bonding with his son over getting smashed by rocks.
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So, what they're just gonna WHOMP slaanesh outta existence, AoS style?
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>>50157368
No, there's going to be a whole story thing.
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Knight Porphyrion rules.
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>>50157381
Literally why though? What'd Slaneesh ever do to gee dubs to get scrapped after all this time.
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>>50157356
Nope, over destroying the world which they succeed in doing.

Since this 40K thread, I will being it back to 40K. Be'lakor aka the HERALD OF THE END TIMES crowned Archaon as the Everchosen and the world will be destroyed. Be'lakor in 40K crowned Abaddon as the Chaos Ascendant and proclaimed that the galaxy will be destroyed.

Be'lakor is never wrong this means that the fate of 40K is sealed by the will of the Dark Master.
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>>50157385
>435 points
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>>50157399
Low sales.
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>>50156830
Could there be any less proof in that post?

You have nothing to worry about until someone posts some actual links as evidence.
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>>50157400
>Be'lakor is never wrong this means that the fate of 40K is sealed by the will of the Dark Master.

wew
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>>50157413
Figures, nobody wants to take the butch-biker-dykes over the Diazmonettes.
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>>50157410
thats what happens when you shit out 4 str10 ap1 pie plates with absurd range and huge survivability
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>>50157422
>that feel when all you have are butch daemonettes
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>>50157421
He was right about WHFB, right? Give me ONE reason why he won't be right about 40K.
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>>50157199
Reavers are decidedly not cheese even in MSU. They don't gain the awesome armor or twin linked weaponry of any of the other bike units in the game, they physically can't survive charging a unit with even a single flamer. Trust me noone is going to accuse you of cheesing Reavers or Dark Eldar in general unless maybe you go Haemonculus covens.
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>>50157460
because they ruined FB because nobody played it, and a lot of people play 40k
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>>50157443
I think he was commenting on how absurdly low that is.

A Crusader with an ironstorm pod is 20 points MORE expensive and it doesn't have the Titan-grade weaponry that these rules have.

I'm doubting these are legit but who fucking knows.
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>>50156600
I think ghostwalk matrix is for walkers only? but I could be wrong...

also: a unit of 10 fire dragons is too large, what do you plan on using 10 meltas for? cut that usit to 5 and add another unit, maybe dark reapers?

I would not add too much vehicle equipment, most things aare nice to have, but rather costly... And I would add more bodies before adding (point)expensive characters....
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>>50157516
Might be beta rules, it has a surprising lack of wargear and special rules. Then again, this might be one of the few times FW goes Full Retard.
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>>50157532
>Household Rank: One per army
>Somehow this excuses its ridiculous rules and wargear

I can see this happening.
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>>50157460
There are lots of rocks in 40k.
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>>50157571
Not enough to stop the End Times.

>>50157493
From what I heard, 40K salesa re declining.

Methinks they need a boosting enema of molten End Times.
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>>50157546
>giving household rank to units outside the Questoris Knight army list
Sure, give him +1WS and BS. And +1 to his invuln save. And a re-roll on the Knight Warlord chart so he can get lucky and grab IWND.
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Never played 40k, or any table top miniature for that matter, but I'd order the big ass games workshop book (it was like a phone book) just to look at the artwork.

Damn that was/is good stuff.
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>>50157546
Buzzgob has to pay nearly 600 if he wants just two 10/1 pies.
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>>50157618
Id say youre better off nabbing out outdated book at huge discounts.
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>>50156600
Take less Dragons (5 is plenty), drop the vehicle upgrades.

Fill up the points gap with another squad that won't need a transport, like Spiders/Scorpions/Reapers.

Consider adding Shimmershields to the Avenger Exarchs to increase unit survivability against AP4.
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>>50157598
Maybe sales are declining because they keep cutting down box contents and cranking up prices.

That and their legal team slaughters any attempts at fanmade stuff that gets any sizeable amount of following.
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>>50157598
their last few sales reports indicate a general slow decline (~1% a year), barring 2013-2014 in which they lost 8% of their business.

While that is very bad, it's not bad enough that they'd risk such a large change on their biggest product. Especially without waiting to see AoS''s long term effect first. There's no way anything similar is happening anytime soon.

But then again they prove time and time again that they're incapable of acting in their best interests, so who knows.
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>>50157712
Wasn't AoS 2013-2014?
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>>50157598

40k have the luxury of having many more planets to destroy. 40k's End of Times and the 13th Crusade is perfectly capable of lasting centuries.
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>>50157724
>lasting centuries.

I don't think so. Plenty of the mortal characters (human, Tau, and even marine characters) will die of old age or be rendered incapable of leading or fighting.

A few decades will be a reasonable timeline for the 40K End Times.
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>>50157712
hasn't licensing gone up though? There are tons of GW licensed vidya these days, and some of it is actually good for a change

>vermintide
>total war warhammer, the best selling total war game ever
>battle fleet gothic
>that upcoming space hulk game
>dark crusade
>dawn of war 3

>>50157721
AoS was mid 2015. Even GW is surprised at how well it is selling after the release of the Generals' Handbook, and in my area there is suddenly a huge AoS competitive scene.
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New Rules from GW hot of the web blog! Razorback Rikarius
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>>50157747

It's only a problem for minor characters. Technologies to prolong your life are widespread in the setting.
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>>50157756
>special blood ravens razorback
>blood ravens librarian that has "vidya" written on him
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>>50157756
The one without transport capacity but transport capacity for 5.

Yeah...
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>>50157756

I'm surprised it is not armed with teleporting rays to steal your ammo.
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A lot of Chaos stuff is out of stock on the webstore. I smell an update coming.
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>>50157937
Im sure you're right this time, the previous 60 times someone said that were just warmups.
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Any of you guys feel like helping a noob build his first 850 points army for his first tourney in 2 weeks? Don't want to post a list of everything I have available just to not get anything from it.
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>>50157756
> it sacrificed all of it’s transport capacity
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>>50156643
That grill in the reflection looks hot
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>>50158009
>TRANSPORT:
• Transport Capacity: Five
models. It cannot carry
models with the Bulky,
Very Bulky or Extremely
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I'm planning on buying 20 cultists and converting/paining them to be a Mining Work Team to run with my Tao (basically instead of kroot). Anybody have any experience/tips for making and playing them? They'll most likely see play in kill teams and actual games
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>>50158043
>>50158052
Fucking 4chan servers
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>>50158043
>>50158052
>Tao
Taoist Tau?
also is posting fucked or something?

GSC are very distinct in their look and have a lot of genestealer bits, and CSM Cultists look like space hobos.
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What has the Khan been doing in the Webway for 10k years, lads?
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>>50158070
Whoops. And yeah space hobos is basically what I'm going for, will probably be Chaos. Does a box of 20 cultists come with enough CCW for everybody?
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>>50158073
finding the longest flat stretch he can and turning it into an inter-dimensional autobahn with sick ramps and loop-the-loops with the help of harlies who just want to see some dank motorcycle tricks
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>>50158073
>He was Doomrider all along
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>>50158088
CSM cultists are fixed pose.

Nine of them have CCW, 1 has a flamer, 1 has a heavy stubber, 1 has a shotgun, and eight have autoguns.

The ones that come in the kit with the Aspiring Champion are the same ones as the Dark Vengeance box, so you much be able to pick up some cultists off ebay or at your gaming club for cheap.

I would love a multi-part cultist kit like GSC, but we never got one. Until then we can convert and kitbash.
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>>50158105
I want 40k whacky races.

Wazdakka/Zhadsnark, Doomrider, Khan, Sammael and some others i guess.
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Deldar Question. Would wyches, incubi and whatever other sub factions alter their armor colors to show their alliance to a kabal or would they always be in their own colors?
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Any one have experience working Delaque Gangers as GSC units?

Between the googles, chrome-domes, trenchcoats, snake symbols and mix of weapons they seem fairly fitting.
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So I walked into my friendly games workshop and end times got confirmed.

What are all you 40k boyz going to do when your game now inevitability and confirmed gets age of Sigmarreed to oblivion?

Will you switch to Heresy? Warmahordes? Burn your models? Give up on an utterly cancerous company? Play Age of the Emperor anyway? Cry?

It is gonna be good to watch.
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>>50158178

I think you overestimate the importance I put on my plastic army man games.
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>>50158178
will these meme please stop

the models are 90% of the hobby anyway so the rules don't really matter that much
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>>50158178
There's another figure just out of frame on the box pic. it would have to be smaller than the main magnus mini to fit on the box in the space left. mini magnus confirmed. Fuck all these fags who said it was just a color test.
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>>50158178
I'm just hoping that maybe that'll be enough to bring my Black Templar baes back into the game a bit more, if the new rules become as arbitrary as most of the AoS rules.
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>>50156830
>>50156889
>>50156946
>>50156978
it's a shitposter using the rumour from AoS and applying it to 40k. He's done this for several threads. stop fucking replying you stupid fucks.
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>>50157987
at least say what codexes you are planning to use

if you've never played in a tournament before, get ready for a bad time playing acgainst skeevy cheaters, rules lawyers, and watch your models like a hawk because there is a shocking amount of theft at tournaments too.
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>>50157668
>That and their legal team slaughters any attempts at fanmade stuff that gets any sizeable amount of following.


Untrue. Lord Inquisitor creators actually got an IP license from GW. In fact, ADB is helping them.
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>>50158226
Playing Black Templars.

Not sure how bad it'll be at our store, since it's a max 10 person tourney and those are prwtty much the only occasion when 40k is played in the store. 10 people should also be just about every player in the city too.
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>>50157804
You do realise Blood Ravens were around before DoW, right? You do realise that Vidya is referring to an ancient hero? Aziriah Vidya.
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>>50157668
>Maybe sales are declining because they keep cutting down box contents and cranking up prices.
stop this meme too

relative to inflation a box of ten space marines is pretty much the same price as ten years ago as it is now, but you get way more parts now and the details on the kit are way better
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>>50158193
Play Orks and say that.
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>all this shitposting about 'End Times'
>despite WHFB was selling incredibly poorly 3 years before AoS
>40k isn't selling badly
>people keep shitposting
>people keep replying
>despite the concrete rumour givers saying it isn't getting AoS'd.

I wish I was a janitor so I could delete your posts.
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>>50158240
>You do realise Blood Ravens were around before DoW, right?
No, they weren't, they were invented for the franchise.
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>>50158251
all the really good ork players I see don't even play they game, they just build amazing models. It takes an iron dedication to modeling for that to happen though.

Look up "Ian Wyatt" on youtube if you want to see what I mean. The guy has some truly amazing Orky scratch builds and kitbashes, but he is very vocal about not actually playing the game.
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>>50157756
This is entirely unofficial and just for fun, but we wanted to share it with you anyway.
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>>50158253
>everybody's tired of shitposters
>everybody wants to be a janitor
>janitors start deleting shit left and right
>"Fucking Nazi janitors, man!"
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>>50158281
the history of /sp/
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>>50158273
They they aren't players, they're collectors.

I do loads of conversion too, so many i never have time to paint, just sucks to know my fancy shit will underpreform severely.
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>>50158267
GW made Blood Ravens before DoW, but DoW introduced them. They wrote the Index Astartes page before DoW came out, then released it a few months after.

So you're right that they were made for the franchise, but they were a thing before the game for GW.
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>>50158281
I remember when /tg/ used to realise who were baiting and shitposts were turned into something useful. Even Flareposting produced some shit. But we got flooded with refugees from other boards during Goobergate, combined with /tv/ and /pol/ coming over for LE EMPEROR TRUMP XD has made /tg/ the easiest board to troll as people don't ignore shit.
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>>50158305
if Relic had invented them it honestly wouldn't have been the first time something like that happened.

The PS2 game "Fire Warrior" needed a Tau sniper rifle and there wasn't one, so they created the Rail Rifle. In the next edition of the Tau codex, suddenly there are rail rifles and pathfinder models with them.
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>>50158329
It's getting hard to ignore when it's the same forced memes every thread, every day.
at least original trolling had potential for new directions.

But yeah, we need a report shitpost function.
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>>50158329
I blame Carnac.
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>>50158350
deranged and autistic as he may be, at least he has an opinions, it's not just
>I2
and other pasta.
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>>50158342
Is shitposting not a rules violation then?
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>>50158357
Can't people use the filter?
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>>50158339
They've done the same in Space Hulk: Deathwing. They've created the Retribution(?) or something Stormbolter. It's basically a shotgun. Plus a Master Crafted Plasma Cannon which fires 4 balls one after the other.

All Dark Angel exclusives, so I wouldn't be surprised if DA get those.
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>>50158364
It is, but it's up to the mod to decide if it's breaking rules. Carnac breaks Global Rule 3 regularly (flaming/trolling). Can't do much.

>>50158370
Can't filter the usual suspect shitposters. Carnac learnt that when he used to tripfag.
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>>50158370
My filterlist has 200+ lines, it's gettign to the point where i miss threads because I've so many filter going for varied retardation that desireable threads get caught.

>>50158364
It's grey area, and the shitpost are indistinguishable from normal stupid questions and opinions, only clue is them being along the same lines repeated every thread.
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>>50158389
Why do you guys have to talk about him in every threads even if he is not here?
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>>50158402
Because he is the Hitler of shitposting.
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>>50158402
But he is here or was. And the reason is because we hope somebody with power will see this and do something about it.

>>50158393
People just repeat the same shit, get their (You)'s and then either repeat it or have a copycat repeat it.
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>>50158389
>Can't do much.

Except, you know, report. You think "report shitposting" will do any more than "report rules violation". You did your job, now it's up to the system.

>Can't filter the usual suspect shitposters.

But you can the usual shitposts by targeting key phrases.


And of the day, I don't give a shit. Don't take the bait, report if it's annoying and hide it.
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>>50158393
Excuse me, sir, why don't you just mentally ignore posts instead of using a heretical machine spirit to do it?
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>>50158424
>Except, you know, report.

>Note: When reporting, make sure that the post in question violates the global or board rules, or contains content illegal in the United States. Submitting false reports will result in a ban.
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>>50158422
No one cared really until you guys empowered him by making him like some sort of a monster. Since he is not breaking the rules nothing will be done so you better get over it for all our sakes.
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>>50158424
Well it'd be nice to have a category for it, it's not as high priority as illegal content which has a separate category.

It not a bad as porn on a SFW board either.

It'd help teach new mods/janitors what is shitposting so they can identify it themselves.
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>>50158452
But he is though. Global Rule 3.
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>>50158424
Have you reported anyone? If you didn't, then you are a hypocrite and a coward.
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>>50158452
>No one cared

because back then he used a tripcode and people had filtered him. Now he exists purely to start flame wars (Global Rule 3 violation).

>[Insert Book Extract]
>Why is /tg/ always wrong? Fucking Imperialfags got OWNED by superior Tau!

Etc.
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>>50158477
>Global 3 - Garbage Outside of /b/

I didn't recall him posting racism, furry, or ponies.
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>>50158494
>You will not post any of the following outside of /b/: Trolls, flames, racism, off-topic replies, uncalled for catchphrases, macro image replies, indecipherable text (example: "lol u tk him 2da bar|?"), anthropomorphic ("furry") or grotesque ("guro") images, post number GETs ("dubs"), or loli/shota pornography.

>trolls
>flames
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>>50158485
Having an opinion or favoritism is not against the rules. If it was then primarch dnd space marine threads that pop up on a daily basis would be banned for inciting flame wars between fanboys.
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>>50158506
I'm going by what the rules say. Trolls and Flames (Flame Wars) are Global Rule 3 violations. Thus he inciting them with his deliberate provoking of fans is thus a breech of the rules.
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>>50158506
Deliberately trying to start flamewars is against the rules.
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>>50158505
But how to prove the intention of trolling? You can't.
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>>50157385
So, wait, it's 15 more points than a Crusader, and significantly more powerful, without the "must buy another knight first" rule that most of the other Forge World knights have?

Why on Earth *wouldn't* you pick one for your AdMech War Convocation?
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>>50158520
The fact he does it nearly every thread and does the same tactic

>Insert Book Extract taken out of context
>Insert attack on part of the fandom
>Insert gloat from his side of the fandom

Once or twice, sure. But this is a guy who reads every book purely to shitpost on /tg/ and he's done it for years. I can't remember his old tripcode. I think it was TIDF. Somebody has a screencap of his spam he used to do as well.
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>>50158514
>flamewars

It says flames and not flame wars. Flaming other anons is banned. Flame wars is a feature of /v/ and /tg/ since forever. Stating an opinion or making commentary isn't banned. The guy making it has no responsibility over the reaction of others. Free speech and all of that.
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>>50158538
Have you reported him for it?
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>>50158559
I have. Nothing happens. Or I don't notice if anything happens.

>>50158551
You do realise Flame Wars are literally banned on /v/, right?

>Flaming/flagrant "fanboyism"/etc. will not be tolerated.
>Threads should not devolve into flamewars. Instigating or encouraging such activity will not be tolerated.
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>>50158551
>Flame wars is a feature of /v/ and /tg/ since forever.

What a terrible argument, especially since /v/ has two rules that make it a violation.

>Free Speech

Not on a privately owned website.
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>>50158571
>I have. Nothing happens. Or I don't notice if anything happens.

And I heard from from others that the guys who reported him got warned. So as powers that be reckon it he is not breaking any rules.
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>It's another Carnac episode

I hate re-runs.
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>>50158595
Might just be a trick to get people not to report him. Who knows.

Anyway back to 40k.

Those Webstore rules for the Razorback are making me think this is going to be a common thing. I wonder if GW is planning to introduce a 'create your own unit' shit for 8th edition.
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>>50158609
>Anyway back to 40k.

Too late for that now. Need start another thread.
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>>50158305

Do you think Relic made DoW in 2 months? They had been working on the game for close to a year when that article came out.
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>>50158620
I know, but GW would have worked on it before then. GW didn't just say "Go and make it up", they would have worked on it and then said "This is OK". This was a different time.

>>50158617
I WON'T LET IT DIE GODDAMMIT.
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>>50158419
No, I am the great Loremaster of the Warhammer. Inheritor of Gav Thorpe and Bane of Matt Ward. The destroyer of the Headcanon!
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>>50158649
WD don't count, BL don't count, codexes that disagree don't count.
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>>50158649
How can you defeat headcannon when you're doing the same shit, lol?
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>>50158658
I am not perfect but I am mostly correct. That cannot be denied.
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>>50158178

Doesn't bother me. As an Ork player, there's nothing new rules could do to me that could put me into a worse position. Far as I'm concerned, things could only get better.

Bring it on.
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>>50158672
>he throws shit at the wall and hopes some sticks

top kek, go back to Undertale General in /vg/, faggot.
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>>50158685
>Throws shit

You mean I read the lore and can predict how things will go? Also like how you didn't feature my other post with an example.

Balanced and fair!
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What have Custodes to do with with custard anyway?
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What's an effective army comp for CultMech that doesn't have to rely on Skitarii to fill up their ranks?
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So it's pretty feasible now that Blood Ravens might be made fully canon and be featured in 8e as a chapter, with that whole special article on them in White Dwarf and DoW3 coming up.
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>>50158960
They already are a canon chapter.
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>>50158960
Fuck sake. In the 5th ED marine codex you see the Blood Ravens among the named chapters.

In the 5th ED Blood Angel codex, the Blood Ravens are mentioned among the chapters that could have descended from the Blood Angel geneseed.

In BL, there are stories (other than that of CS Goto which were removed from BL by thr way) where the Blood Ravens feature.

Where does the idea that the Blood Ravens are not canon come from?
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>>50158863
Tear out the elites pages from the book and pick stuff you like from the rest of the book, as long as you don't go full Breachers, you will be fine.

Maybe take a Cohort Cybernetica and an Elimination Maniple, at higher points add a Holy Requisitioner for maximum "Fuck your vehicles and everyone in them"
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What would you guys say is the best all around load out for harlequin troupes?
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>>50156441
been away from 40k for a while, looking to get back into it
just thought id ask tho, did the whole decurion thing help or hurt the game in the end?
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>>50158982
>tear out the elite pages

Aw, was hoping there'd be a way to make use of the priests. Always found their idea funny.
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do you ever hope that Cuddace will die a slot death

i do

save me from this hell of flyrants.

i want my nids back
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>>50159031
There is literally not a single use for Electro priests that isn't done better by another unit. Even their formation is decidedly 'meh'.

In the friendliest of friendly games against Orks, they will still get wasted owing to their short range and terrible survivability. Even if they get close, one just has bolter level shooting and the other has decent Strength melee attacks but needs to destroy a unit to be of any use (G fucking G if they manage to manage to run away from you)
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>>50159036

what is a slot death?
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>>50159069
Yeah, understandable. Guess I'll stick to Kataphrons and Kastelans for now and hope something good comes along in the next Imperial Armor.
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>>50159163
meant slow
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>>50156441
Whoever compiled that Black Library link in the OP, thanks so much, been trying to get some of those Necromunda books for a long time now.
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>>50159169
IA 14's going to have rules for adapting the 30k Mechanicum models to 40k, right? The 30k Mechanicum Elites choices are Engine-Priest Auxillia, Domitar-Class Battle Automata, and Myrmidon Secutors. I'd be really surprised if the Tech-Priest models don't make the jump (Tech Priests are Tech Priests, in the 30th Millenium or the 40th), even if the Battle Automata might be made Heavy Support or something.
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>Friend field min-maxed necron reclimationwhatever formation with a maxed out unit of wraiths and FW stuff. And a Culexus
>Complain that our local meta isn't playing hard enough.

>Goes absolutely balistic over a single knight and a squad of Sisters of Silence i've added to my SoB army.

Am I missing something here?
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So manual army building is better for learning?

If I try to build a tyranid force to counter my own Astra Militarum force, is that the right way to approach this, or just do a general purpose force? Or does it even matter?
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Do machine spirits have names?
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>>50159249
I think so, yes. Might also get those other cyborg guys. Either way, it'll most likely be fun stuff.

About the 30k stuff, do these units fill roughly the same gap as the 40k models or are they a completely different playstyle?
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>>50159279
you just build flyrants.
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>>50159315
I thought to build it around Deathleaper, mawlocs and lictors to deepstrike effectively.

Maybe I should build Ork army instead if flyrants is the only things worthwhile
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>>50158178
>Warmahordes
That's a trash game with even less balance than 40k I would rather go with sci fi malifux
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>>50159305
Looking over it, I think most of them fill some pretty decent holes in the list. There's actual Tech-Priest units (though the Heavy Support unit's got some overlap with the Kataphron servitors in tactical function), a melee tarpit unit, a MEQ robot unit, a troop transport, a shooty Jetpack unit, and a few new tanks, along with a bunch of robots that mostly overlap in role with the Kastelans and the jump pack melee cyborgs who overlap with the running melee cyborgs from the Skitarii list.

I mean, yeah, Ursarax are pretty cool, but when you're already running two squads of Sicarians in your AdMech War Convocation, they just start looking a bit redundant unless you really want to go all in on the melee cyborg units.
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>Be playing my guard against a Chaos bro in a fun fluffy game.
>Getting my shit stomped, guys dying everywhere, my commissar steps up and accepts a challenge against his lord.
>I verbally appeal to Tzeentch for some help here.
>the Commissar kills the lord like a fucking boss.
>Chaos bro tells me to roll on a the chaos boon table as I'm obviously blessed by Tzeentch.
>I roll 66. He guffaws. I'm like what is that?
>mfw I have a Tzeentch Daemon Prince Commissar rolling around the table fucking people up.
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>>50156686

Sword, psycannon and personal teleporter is fine. Personal teleporter is a must have. Heavy Incinerator is good too, but it will not hurt things you primarily want to charge. If you want to use it then don't take the sword.
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>>50159305
A Domitar (And the sexier Artalax) are pure melee beatsticks that can mince dedicated melee units because of their high toughness, good saves and high strength attacks. Similar to powerfist Kastelans but with more attacks and added shit like the ability to concuss the enemy.

Tech Priest Auxillia are basically IG tech priests with some added gubbins like the ability to take conversion beamers for shits and giggles.

Secutors are basically Kataphrons, guys who carry honking big heavy weapons and can shoot two in a turn.

Overall the playstyle is similar, but more focused on the stompy robots with big guns than smaller guys with slightly smaller guns. A Mechanicus list can be like 10 models at 2000 points.

Biggest boon for me will be vehicles, sexy death trains for transports and tanks with 4 shot lascannons with Ordnance
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>>50159659
That's fucking heresy son, that Commissar had better shoot himself.
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>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Csif5l_6c
>history of Eldar and Necrons summed up
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hey, could i get some opinions and suggestions and help? i'm new to 40k and i've picked Skitarii out as my army.

fluff so far (based on reading codex andnot much else. have a friend who will be helping me learn to play, he is the Guard.)
> Who are your dudes? How long have they been around?
About 150 years. a relatively new offshoot of a Forge world, trying to seek out a new home with the help of some unoccupied Imp guard.
> What makes them interesting?
Not your Typical Skitarii, focus more on Digging in and holding ground over gathering data,
I.e. Capture and secure the area first, before you take samples.
> How did their faction begin?
They needed to leave on account of rising internal conflicts on their home forge world.
ever since they have been looking for a mineral rich rock to sit on.
> What are your dudes' greatest achievements?
they saved a lost and isolated IG regiment, thus they paired up. and eventually found a knight along the way.
>Any notable people or events in their history?
Not really, barring the leaving.

i had a moderate idea to base them on my favorite Champion in league. i know, how dumb of me.

i mean, satin blacks and off (and bright) whites, with bright pink blue lenses, light blue line details and stuff.
dark toned steels too.
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>>50159691
It's too late, they've come too far. We renegades now.
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>>50158178
Thousand Sons, not Chaos Space Marines.

How do you all feel knowing that there will never be another CSM or Daemons book? Its Daemonkin style books from here on in.
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>>50159758
as long as they make Undivided Daemonkin

and division of Chaos into mortal and daemon forces was silly from the beginning. Chaos is Chaos
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>>50159674
>4 shot lascannons with ordnance
Muh dick.

What is that magic?
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>>50159695
Human are mon-keigh
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>>50159785
>Undivided

I got bad news for you.
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>>50159271
Yes: your friend is a hypocritical WAAC shitter. Have him wash his mouth out with gunpowder or stop being such a little bitch.
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>>50159813
What does WAAC mean? I've seen it popped up a few times and have no idea what it means.
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>>50159835
Not that Anon but it means W(ins) A(t) A(ll) C(osts).
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>>50159791
The Krios Venator. The non anti-tank version gets a S7 AP3, rending, shred large blast.

And both of these sit on a 13/12/10 3HP chassis that re-rolls dangerous terrain, reduces the Strength of ranged attacks on the front arc by 1 (2 if it's a blast or template) and has a 6+ IWND standard.

Needless to say, I think the Krios is pure sex.
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>>50159835
Win at Any Cost.
the worst kind of Dick shittery.
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>>50159659

No commissar, you are the daemons
And then commissar was a daemon prince
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>>50159864
You and me both, pal. This thing is one sexy beast.

I guess it's somewhere between Predator and an Land Raider?
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>>50159900
Point costs I mean, of course.
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>>50159920
Ah, well it's 125 for the regular one, and an extra 25 points to swap the weapon for the 4 shot lascannon that makes it a Venator
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>>50158129
You're not the only one.
https://onepagerules.wordpress.com/portfolio/grimdark-racing/
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Anyone got any ideas on how I could use a Plague Furnace in a 40k nurgle army? I know how I'd convert it but I'm not sure what to use it was a counts as?
Maybe some kind of daemon engine tank?
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>>50159986
>Plague Furnace
Maybe, not much call for wood and stone in 40k.
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>>50160012
I was thinking of using a couple of Sigmar daemons and fluffing them as if they got caught through some warp riff shit that brought them into nurgles 40k armies. That or they just survived that long and are kept working by daemon magic
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>>50157350
Man it must suck being the chaos god of autism
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>>50159674
>Overall the playstyle is similar, but more focused on the stompy robots with big guns than smaller guys with slightly smaller guns. A Mechanicus list can be like 10 models at 2000 points.
Let's be honest, though, in a 40k game, you'd be taking them along with the AdMech War Convocation, which would give you 300-500 points to spend on them, depending on which exact options you wind up choosing and how big you choose to make your squads.

For instance, you could take a Knight Crusader, a Dunestrider Ballistarius, 3-strong Onager Dunecrawler squadron, a 10-man Skitarii Vanguard squad, a 7-man Myrmidon Secutor squad, and a Triaros transport in a 2000-point army, by my calculations.
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Looking to start my first army with Khorne Daemonkin. It looks like it has a bunch of cool Daemon models without any of the trashy psychic phase.
I figured 800pts will be a good start and have already downloaded the codex + rulebook.
Spent some time browsing 1d4chan and watching some Batreps and have put together my target list for 800points.

HQ: Chaos Lord (165pts)
>Aura of Dark Glory, Goredrinker, Juggernaut of Khorne
Troops: 8 Bloodletters (80pts)
8 Cultists (63pts)
>5 Autoguns
Heavy Support: Skull Cannon (125pts)

Gorepack Formation
3 Chaos Bikers
>2 Plasma Guns and a Combi-Plasma
3 Chaos Bikers
>2 Melta Guns, Combi Melta and Melta Bomb
10 Flesh Hounds

I guess the plan would be to have the cultist hang out in back by objectives near my deployment while the bloodletters get the next closest one.
Keeping the Skull Cannon somewhere inbetweem the troops to provide some range support.
The Chaos Lord can join the Flesh Hounds (I think?) and they can eat up some units in the assault, hopefully.
The Bikers can quickly go after armor and tougher units.
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>>50159249
CYRAXIS WHEN!?

>>50159271
I mean, fluff-wise, the SoS and SoB would absolutely hate eachother, but that's no reason to be butt-blasted over them and a knight?
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>>50160151
Why would they hate eachother?
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>>50160218
Imperial Truth vs Imperial Cult; militant atheists vs militant theists.
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>>50160218
The SoS have utmost respect for the Big E and the secular society he wanted to create, they know he didn't want to be worshiped as a god.

And then you have the SoB who worship the FUCK out of Big E.
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>>50160218
Soulless abominations that would never see the Emperor on death projecting an aura of irrational discomfort, while also being mutants, and Sisters of Battle.
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>>50160246
To be fair, being near the Emperor whilst he was on the Throne would either double kill him or at least fuck with the warp beacon.
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>>50160218
Anon the SoS are openly heretical by following the Imperial Truth by being atheistic.

Or are you implying that because they're both girls they'd not hate each other? Because from real life expierences, girls will nearly always hate each other.
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>>50160245
I wonder, if Impy wakes up and tells people to stop worshipping him, what will SoB do? do as he says? still worship him? join Word Bearers? shoot him as heretic? die of orgasm the moment they learn he waked up?
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>>50160272
Pope Shafthat the 23rd would hold his manperor of mankind speech, and they would worship with different words.

And Emperor has better things to do than to worry about them
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>>50158432
>3. You will not post any of the following outside of /b/: Trolls, flames, racism, off-topic replies, uncalled for catchphrases, macro image replies, indecipherable text (example: "lol u tk him 2da bar|?"), anthropomorphic ("furry") or grotesque ("guro") images, post number GETs ("dubs"), or loli/shota pornography.

How exactly doesn't this already prohibit shitposting?

>>50158483
I have. So, you know, go fuck yourself.
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So I play Militarum Tempestsus (laugh all you want, I'll take it) and just got two Imperial Knights, fully magnetized to run whatever.

How does this look for 2k?

HQ
>Command Squad: 4x Hot Shot Volley Guns, 125pts
>Command Squad: 4x Melta Guns, 125pts
>Command Squad: 1xPlasma Pistol, 4 xPlasma Guns, 160

Troops:
>Scion Squad, 5 extra Scions, 2 Volley Guns, 155pts
>Scion Squad, 5 extra Scions, 2 Volley Guns, 155pts
>Scion Squad, 5 extra Scions, 2 Plasma Guns, 1 Plasma Pistol, 180pts
>Scion Squad, 5 extra Scions, 2 Plasma Guns, 1 Plasma Pistol, 180pts

Imperial Knights
>Crusader Knight, Avenger-Gattling Cannon, Rapid Fire Battle Cannon, Stormspear Rocket Pod, 470
>Crusader Knight, Avenger-Gattling Cannon, Rapid Fire Battle Cannon, Stormspear Rocket Pod, 470
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>>50160272
The AdMech would be perfectly fine, as most don't really worship him, they just claim to see him as an avatar of the Omnissiah to appease the Ecclisiarchy, as the AdMech are too busty to deal with them. Omnissiah worship has been around since before 30k, iirc.
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>>50156441
>need some boyz for my army
>no Craigslist offers nearby
>ebay is lacking in the numbers and price
I just wanna loot an gettin good fig'tin in
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>>50160298
>Pope Shafthat the 23rd would hold his manperor of mankind speech

I think we're all underestimating just how balls-to-the-walls fanatical the Imperial Cult is at the higher levels. This thing claiming to be the Emperor might just be some heretical illusion or test of faith, in fact, it's actively spouting heresies, so that's proof it's not the Emperor.
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>>50160353
only TRUE way of getting more boyz is to smash and loot a FLGS, you know that
everything else is selling out
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>>50160343
>Admech are too busty
bustykastelans.jpeg
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>>50160246
>Soulless abominations that would never see the Emperor
The SOSs got to see the Emperor all the time back in the Crusade era.
>Captcha included a sign that said SoSs
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>>50160360
I could just imagine an Ork Nob running through a FLGS, smashing everything but the Ork kits, grabbing them in one hand, running back out the door taking the head off of a Pokemon player as he runs by and the clerk going, "See you next week...I will be on your tab..."
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>>50160343
>AdMech are too busty
Quick, somone post the tech-priestess' 'twins'!
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>>50160272

Honestly, I think they'll keep fighting for him because the sister hood was founded after Alicia and her crew all had a chat with Big E during the Vandire Shitstorm. Each of the major orders came from one of the six who went and saw him.
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>>50160386
>'Oi! Imm'a the biggest Ork Warboss in t'a sub sector, an I say give me the boyz!"
"uh sir that will 23"
>"zog it, left me wallet in da trukk"
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>>50160441
>proceeds to punch someone for 23 of their teeth
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>>50160456
we talking ork teef or human teeth?
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>>50160465
>'Umies deal in 'umie teef, roight?
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>>50159863
>>50159865
Does a Lion's Blade formation with 3 Grav cannons in the tac squads make me a WAAC fag? Full BS on overwatch with 5 ap2 hits is great on paper, but maybe not for the guy I'm playing against.
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>>50160474
Shopkeeper: "Uh sure...human teeth...t-thank y-you...come ag-g-ain..."
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>>50160480
Are you running just a demi company or did you go full Battle Company for free transports?

The first is fine the latter is cheesey.

It also depends on the point level...
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>>50160151
>I mean, fluff-wise, the SoS and SoB would absolutely hate eachother
Really nigger? You're trying to push this again?
1. SoBs work with Space Marines, who are also atheist
2. in 10k years, at least some Space Marine chapters have gone full worship. No reason to think some SoSs won't have done the same. In fact it's considerably more likely since SoSs don't have genetic memory of the Emperor like Marines do.
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>>50160489
1500, missing about 130 points and demi with the bike and speeder formation. Only upgraded things in that one is the assault cannon on the speeder.
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>>50160151

There isn't much call for the SOB/SoS to hate each other beyond 'People hate blanks'.

The SoS were his agents for quite some time and the SoB have the trust and alliance of the Custodes after the Reign of Blood. They are one of the few groups who ever got to enter the throne room proper.
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>>50160482
Hmm..
One of my friends is a dentist.
If I asked him to save the teeth he pulls out from people. I wonder if I could buy Ork boyz from games workshop by sending them a trashbag full of teeth
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>>50160151
they could bond over "fuck psykers with a big chainsword"
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>>50160536
Yeah, you are fine then.
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>>50159271
>Friend field min-maxed necron
>And a Culexus

Tell them to fuck right off. Why would a Culexus work with Necrons?

They have the Pariah Gene...Necrons capture humans with the Pariah gene and transform them into the Necron Pariahs. A Culexus working with the Necrons would get borged faster than he could yell "Purge the Xenos"

Tell him if he can somehow justify his selection then he can stop being a whiny little bitch about what you field.
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How's this for 200pts Tau Kill-team?

+ Stike Team + ...... 45pts
Fire Warrior .......... 9pts (x5)
90pts

+ XV88 Stealth Team + 90pts
Shas'vre Upgrade ............. +10pts
Fusion Blaster ................ +5pts
Counterfire Defense System .... +5pts
105pts
195/200pts
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>>50160681
>Necrons capture humans with the Pariah gene and transform them into the Necron Pariahs.

No longer canon.
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>>50160688
Nice amount of dudes, decent amount of specialization. It's gonna come down to your choice of abilities and strategic positioning and tactic.
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>>50158806
They're made from the emperor's cream
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>>50160688
You're not allowed to run Fire Warriors until you finish this game.
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>>50156975
You're forced to glomp everyone who walks in and push unnecessary bullshit products onto unknowing parents and small children.
You also need to put up with questions from autists and watch kids using unthinned paints on their expensive models.
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>>50160840
Thinning your paints is pussy as fuck. Do you always play on the easiest difficulty setting?
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>>50159659
That's the right way to Warhammer. Good job.
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>>50159659
That's pretty fuckin' cool.
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To those that have this month's White Dwarf, does it mention what Chapter Tactics the featured Blood Ravens army uses?
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>>50157756
Why is the webstore staff the only group at Games Workshop that actually plays 40k the right way? They need to fire their current crop of rule writers and put those guys in charge.
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>>50160837
But it's trash i heard :(
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>>50160899
So are Tau!
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>>50160899
It's a trashy representation of tau.
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>>50160884
Think it might have been run using blood angels?
Not got mine with me at work.
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>>50160902
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>>50160924
Their rules don't really work for blood ravens.
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>>50160931
Is this the new face of TIDF
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How do CSM fight wolves when they're just better CSM? Just bring all the cultists?
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>>50160899
>ws6 firewarrior on his first active duty slaying loyalists, daemons, traitors
>raptors acting like douchebags and getting tricked easily

it's from that time when the tau weren't as much developed in 3rd edition. i have a fondness for it because it's how i got into 40k and i was really into that grimdark lone hero aspect
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>>50160981

Wyverns and Basilisks
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>>50160981
Bring Daemons.
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>>50160991
So break out my R&H artillery spam
>>50160995
Don't have many
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>>50160944
tdif?
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What's a good SoB order name? Used the creation tables and now I need to think of a name for these fanatics. So far I've thought of Sangunius's Angels on the account that they live in an abandoned BA successor chapter's crib, but I am never one to turn down advice.
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>>50161030
Sisters of the Menstrual Lube
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>>50159271
Probably because you're a SoB player and you don't realise how tiring you are. :^)
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What are the chances for a new tyranid codex in the next time?

I played 5th ed and want to start again, this time I wantbto play tyranids but I heard they're shit.
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>>50161030
Just go with one of the established ones. They're all pretty cool.
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>>50161042
I'll put it in the maybe pile.
>>50161044
48% maybe.
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>>50160988
I like how the protags reward for all this bullshit he went through, was to suffer through the teachings of Tau Sun Tzu and then get put in a freezer for a couple hundred years.
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>>50161050
I guess I can use my results for one of the orders that don't have any fluff to them.
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>>50161044
I dunno mate, I just hope they make melee Nidzilla viable, because I have a love for giant monsters.

Nids are probably the only faction I'd llay without really caring for the fluff, and I feel just a wee bit guilty for saying that.
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>>50161030
Holy order of the Mamillis Imperatoris
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>>50161057
>suffer through
Being a student of Puretide is basically the greatest honor a member of the Fire Caste could hope for. In fact he was put in the freezer precisely to save him for when his inherited tactical genius would be most useful.

It's been a while but that guy only had three students, right? Guess how big of a deal the others are.
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>>50161044
At the absolute minimum, it wouldn't be until late January/February. November is Blood Bowl, December is Thousand Sons and Wulfen 2, rumors speculate that Sisters could be late December to early January.
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>>50161030
The Revolutionary Nuns

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazonian_Guard
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>>50161068
I want to but I feel like I shouldn't.
>>50161079
Hello inspiration.
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>>50160981
As CSM? Hope you enjoy wolfdick. You'll need hearty helpings of non-CSM allies.
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>>50161030
Not a fluffy name. Space Marines and Sisters don't get along.

Read the Codex again. It'll tell you how they name themselves. I'd direct you, but I'm trying to find a new .epub reader rn.

>>50161044
By the time you get your Tyranids put together and painted, they'll have a new Codex. Just take your time with it.
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Ghadaffi did nothing wrong
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>>50161106
Seconded.

Who's the 40k equivalent of Ghadaffi?
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>>50161015
Tau Internet Defense Force
Was also a namefag about 4 years ago.
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>>50161103
Continued:

The small Orders are directly underneath one of the big Orders. They focus on one of the boss bitch's specific traits. By boss bitch I mean the Sister the Order was named after. There's six of 'em, iirc.

Don't quote me 100%, but I literally read the Codex this week.
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>>50161030
Violent Femmes
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>>50161126
Vandire I'd believe.
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>>50161067
I want that to happen just when IA14 comes out, so I can punch giant monsters with giant robots and otherwise be all Pacific Rim. Done even care re. Nids, I just want a robot and Kaiju only match with Legio Cybernetica.
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>>50161156
Nah, Ghadaffi wasnt that bad. Vandire is probably closer to Hillary.
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Raptor Talon of 3 Warp Talons with MoT

Daemon allies with DP rolling for cursed earth that flys straight up the board

Hopefully warp Talons pass reserves.

no scatter DS from cursed earh and warp Talons with 3++

All for a cool 870 points. Oh fuck you GW[\spoiler]
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>>50161030
>>50161103
>>50161140
I found the text, but my faggy fucking .epub reader won't let me copy the text.

Bottom of page eighteen, I think. Explicitly states how the Orders Minoris are named.
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>>50161106
Who's Ghadaffi? 40k character?
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>>50161221
Yes. The Ork behind Waaagh Ghadaffi.
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>>50161221
Probably one of the nameless technobarbarians Emps purged before he moved up to endeavors that were actually worth his time
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I cant seem to find info on Plasma Cannon sponson on the net, my rulebooks and codexes are still on the mail.

So with rolls on 1 the Leman Russ etc will loose hull point, but does that shit explode when the tank is destroyed?

If it does, can I use it to my advantage as in, moving the tank on its last legs into the largest pack of enemies I can find and, lets say, fire a missile from my manticore to detonate that shit on my opponents face?
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>>50161070
Ones farsight, the other is shadowsun, one ran off from main tau stuff to do his own thing cause he realized the ethereals were dicks, the other is trying to hunt him down, meanwhile, Kais is chillin' in a freezer.
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>>50161278
Has there ever been rules/a model for Kais?
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>>50161278
That was my point.
Also Kais did come out for Dark Crusade, not that he did much of use seeing as the Tau lost in the canon.

>>50161285
In said game he used the XV22 so you can just use Shadowsun as a counts-as.
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>>50161274
Absolutely nothing In your post is correct

On a 4+ you don't lose a HP
How the fuck would it explode
You can't shoot your own fucking models
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>>50160054
Alternately, the minimums for AdMech War Convocation, with Breachers, a Ballistarius, and a Knight Questoris Porphyrion, then in the points you have left, upgrading your Skitarii Vanguard to maximum size, sticking them in a Macrocarid Explorator (either the land-train model or Land Raider Proteus model, according to taste), and then buying a max-sized Tech-Priest Auxillia squad.
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>>50161308
>You can't shoot your own fucking models

You can if the Manticore scatters onto it, not that it would do anything useful since AP4 means it can't explode.
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>>50159708
As another skitarii anon and league player: I like the color scheme and awaiting further fluff
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>>50161314
>They're already spreading the Porphyrion meme

Do we actually know that the rules are in any way legit?
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Why are plasma guns still considered dangerous, when the solution is so damn simple?
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>>50161216
Would you mind posting a little bit of that text so I can ctrl-f the full article? I'm using a pdf and its page 18 is literally just a page of artwork.
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>>50161359
"Although the original six Orders are by far the most numerous and active of the Orders Militant,"
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>>50161285
I wish, you'd have to convert one.

>>50161305
Could always just use shadowsuns stats as guide line, give him a plasma rifle, two (twin linked?) missile pods and a flamer, remove shrouded and give him the abillity to fire his weapons at different targets (like he does in the game) and give him a new warlord trait. Probably bump his cost a little too and voila.
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>>50161342
Because the Imperium is retarded.
In older editions vehicles has the necessary cooling systems to mitigate the explosive nature of the guns.
In an older edition Ryza actually knew what the fuck they were doing and the LR Executioner just didn't get hot at all.
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Drum-box fed > Belt fed
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>>50161377
Why'd he chose a downgrade?
The chaos bolter is the strongest weapon in the game.
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>>50161342
Хaхaхa!
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>>50161394
there's a belt in the drum
you've been lied to
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>>50161394
>the bipod is so small the drum actually limits level of elevation
3/10 would not trust for fire support
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>>50161376
Thanks man.
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>>50161333
Well, the model's legit; it's the same one whose 3d model was shown at the Forge World conference thing. They might not be *final*, but they certainly look legitimate.
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>>50161578
The model's been coming a long time but I've seen no credible source behind these rules.

The fluff basically sums up what has already been said about it during open days and such and the document itself is something I could make in Word with about five minutes of effort.

I just think that points cost is too low for anyone not retarded to consider setting. Other KNIGHTS pay more for less.
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>>50161342
>deliberately destroying a plasma weapon to turn it into an improvised Hunting Lance
To willfully profane the machine like so, the Machine Spirits howling in agony! TECHNO-HERESY!

Additionally, to waste the God-Emperor's Plasma Pistol in such a fashion is a waste of the Emperor's resources. If you required a Hunting Lance, the Emperor's Most Beneficient Munitorum would have issued one to you! To waste such precious resources is HERESY!

>>50161393
>In older editions vehicles has the necessary cooling systems to mitigate the explosive nature of the guns.
They have that in this edition, too; check out the 30k Mechanicum army list. They're called "Phased Plasma Fusils"; they're just not as commonly produced because they're much less powerful weapons (S6 AP3 vs S7 AP2).
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>>50161695
>30k
>in any way comparable to 40k from a lore perspective

10000 years of stagnation tends to make you forget any of the good shit you had.
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>>50161695
3 shots, though. I think that the Plasma Calivers the Skitarii have are essentially Phase-Plasma with the limiters taken off. Good idea too, because they can be B6/7 and so apparently know how to use plasma properly so it overheats less.
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>>50161695
>S6 AP 3 Salvo 2/3
And everything that can take them is Relentless.
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>>50161730
>implying Calivers are ever seen in lists that actually pay points for them or allow then to have Gets Hot
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>>50161744
Forgeworld/GW has a habit of using Salvo on Relentless models, though. The Skitarii peltasts and the Kataphrons have that too.
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Bretonnia has been confirmed FLC for February for Total War: Warhammer. They look awesome going by this artwork.

The sad fact some vidya company is giving more to your favorite faction then GW has done in decades...
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>>50161715
There's also stuff in the FFG RPG that are basically similar ideas to them, though, like the Sentinel Plasma Rifle from Dark Heresy 2e's Enemies Within book.

It's not totally forgotten technology, just rare, because you're making a significant trade-off on firepower, and human life is cheap in the Imperium; better to risk the life of your soldier by making his gun more powerful, than to allow him to life if it means his enemies might survive as well.
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>>50161755
I dont know, I like a unit of 3 plascals when running mostly Skittles since they get Preferred Enemy by default. First thing to go when I need extra points, but they work extremely well with the "BS4 Overwatch" trait or a Dominus with a relic conferring Cognis.
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>>50161773

Best. Day. Ever!
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>>50161773
>extinct faction shows up in vidya
>turbofans bitch about no updates for tabletop
It's like Soulstorm all over again.
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>>50161342
That's ingenious. I'm stealing that and using it in Dark Heresy.
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>>50161805
IF your GM is worth anything, a tech priest or magos is going to make an appearance
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>>50161393
Especially now that new plasma can be armor-saved against.
Space Marines are more likely to save Get's Hot than vehicles :/
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So which is better at its AA job, an Icarus Onager or an equal number of points' worth of Mek Gunz?
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>>50161899
>>50161899
>>50161899
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>>50159017
I'm going to go with 2x Caress, 2x Kiss. 6 models in a Starweaver.

It's somewhat cost effective, fast, and can hit hard on the charge.
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>>50158329
I hope whoever made the trump meme has to watch their child die of AIDS after being sodomized by an immigrant.
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>>50161030
Order of the Cerulean Shroud

Armour, blue
trim, gold
mask/gloves, white
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>>50161803
That makes me super depressed.
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