Horus Heresy General /hhg/

I like toast

>>50104327
Forgot the link to the old thread >>50093330

Old thread is bleeding out.

2.5k the reaping DG list
HQ
Durak Rask 165
siege breaker 95

Troops
Assault squad x20 pfist, rad grenades, melta bomb combat shields 4 power axe 435

tactical squad x20 extra cc weapon, pfist rad grenade, melta bomb, vexilla 305

heavy support squad x10 missile launcher w/flakk, augury scanner melta bomb 345

heavy support x10 lascannon augury scanner melta bomb 445

veteran tactical squad x10 pfist rad grenades, vexilla 195

veteran tactical squad x10 pfist rad grenades, vexilla 195

Elites
apothecary x3 1 with augury scanner 140
quad launcher with phosphex and shatter 90
quad launcher with phosphex and shatter 90

How does this look? hq and apothecary in each heavy squad last apothecary with the tac blob. Outflanking veterans to help grab objectives/threaten back lines.

Should I take a legion mortis with lascannons or a contemptor mortis with kheres cannons to cover my ass edition

>>50104327

Even when Inferno comes out there's going to be a long wait for someone to either scan the book or take shitty camera pictures.

>>50104349
What's your favourite toast topping? I'm a pretty big fan of honey with just a little bit of peanut butter.

>>50104364
I generally advise for contemptor over the standard dread. The price difference justifies the increase in AV and the invuln save, while the kheres are better anti vehicle (altho shorter range) and i just don't trust lascannons unless massed.

>>50104384

Usually just plain toast.

Sometimes I like topping it with meat and some sliced tomatoes and more toast.

>>50104384
Def jelly. But the real question is which jelly is master race? Def between grape and strawberry.

>>50104364
Both my legions got lascannon boxes, because I'm not a huge fan of twin gun contemptor. It looks better with a fist or two. Box looks like a mobile gun platform, so twin guns fits it nicely.

>>50104384
>>50104398
>>50104408

Is this what /hhg/ has devolved to? Discussions on Toast?

Well, I have an answer for that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRq_SAuQDec

How many times can Forgeworld fuck up that anon's order? sub-subedition

>>50104384
Wow. That actually sounds fucking delicious.
eggs on toast

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>>50104384
Do you like cheesecake?

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Glad to see I'm getting better at hazard stripes for my Bitter People. I followed an anon's advice to make them thicker, they turn out much better.

Show me your wips /hhg/! Failing that, post what you listen when you paint.

>>50104456
What are you, ANTI TOAST!?

>>50104515
Those look much better, anon. Props on the self improvement!

>>50104515
I would add a shade around the edge of that yellow.

>>50104533

Howdy-doodly-do

Who here play Vlka Fenryka - the based executioners of the Emperor?

>>50104408
Blueberry/blackberry all day every day.

>>50104509
You know, I'm really not as much of a fan as many others are. It's a bit too heavy for me, you know?

>>50104515
There's an improvement to be sure, you just need to make sure the lines are even all the way to the edge of the plate. Might want to take some time to even them out and clean up the edges.

>>50104608
From what I've heard, they're the army of choice for irritable caucasian men, but I can't say for sure. The guy in my local scene who plays the VI Legion is pretty chill.

>>50104515
Have you looked into purchasing a spool of super thin painters tape from an art supply store? You can find ones as thin as you are looking for (even thinner than those old witeout tape thingies).

>>50104646
Really? From before I can remember the top 2 armies in 40k for women are tyranids and space puppies. The only women I know that are excited about 30k are all waiting for the SWs to get their rules and models.

>>50104556
>>50104515
Good to see my advice worked out for you, anon. Your black lines seem to taper a bit at the ends. Use the smallest brush you've got to get those ends even with the rest. Otherwise, looking great! Like the other anon said, a shade over the hazard stripes will help mute them a bit.

>>50104661
Tyranids, Orks and Space Wolves do seem to be played by an awful lot of women. And I've never even heard of a female Sisters player. I wonder what attracts women to those armies?

>>50104661
Which is odd, because the women I've talked to (and shown pictures of the models and art to) generally seem to be fans of Emperor's children.

Different strokes for different folks, eh?

>>50104704
Maybe it is because of shieldmadens, but I have never met a woman who didn't love vikings.

As for Tyranids, I remember there used to be a lot of jokes about them being ornery, group-thought relying creatures that eat everything. Soooo there is that.

Not sure about the Orks. I have never heard of a connection between them and women so i have not thought about it before.

>>50104408
>jelly
>not jam
holy FUCK i am surrounded by plebs
raspberry jam 4lyfe

>>50104706
Well are you just showing aesthetics to people that don't know the armies? Cuz yeah, EC look pimp as fuck. I'm talking about the women I have met who actually know about the setting and/or play.

>>50104748
I knew one of you dirty motherfuckers would sneak across the border to post in the master race section of 4chan. Go back to whatever hellpit you spawned from!

>>50104706
I've only met two female Sisters of Battle players in my 15-20 years in this hobby, one was a tomboy and quite a smart tactician, the other showed up to a doubles tournament in a low cut latex dress (which did not flatter her figure at all).
So they come in all shapes and sizes, like all players of this game I imagine, even if it's a majority male hobby.

>>50104433
it's tough, I agree that the box is a way better looking gun platform, but dual kheres + invuln + BS5 is a big deal, only problem is I feel like it's almost mean to put dual kheres on a world eaters contemptor...that poor guy just wants to fist something and you give him two fucking guns and tell him to guard the rear!

>>50104748
>JAM
>RASPBERRY
>RASPBERRY JAM
YOU FILTHY ANIMAL!

>>50104556
lmao, I see what you did. No worries, your secret is safe with me.

>>50104769
>>50104788
>i hate flavour and texture and just want vaguely fruit flavoured sugar goo
i bet you dont even make your own preserves, you fucking reprobates

Building muh breachers, but what weapon upgrades should I do ? Flamers for the overwatch or just not bother and have them slog foward bolters blazing untill they're close enough to engage the meltabombs ?

>>50104869
flamers are good to deal with chaff units that might try and stop you from applying meltabomb as well as making it even worse to try and charge them

>>50104357
>heavy support x10 lascannon
>models worth 40+pts each
>still only have T4 3+

I want to use lascannon heavy support too, but I'm not sure I can justify their points cost

>>50104869
It may be a little more helpful if you tell us what role they would be filling with regards to the rest of your list?

If you are just walking them forward I would probably only give them bolters cuz I would expect them to all die anyway. They may make it if you mass breachers/other infantry but then it would be even better to keep it all as bare bones as possible.

>>50104890
I bring Lascannon Iron Havocs in high points games to absolutely trash heavy vehicles. However, I always feel the need to at least bring an aegis line and/or bastion to park them in. They are expensive, but can put out more firepower than almost anything in the game.

>>50104774
>+ BS5

Box Mortis has that as well.

It's weird no techmarine thought of putting the Kheres on a boxnought. Maybe because FW's OC, donut steel. I hate it when company politics has to fuck everything... Then again, why did they have to force assault cannons into 30k in the first place? I thought thunder hammers, assault cannons, storm bolters, storm shields, etc. were suppose to be post-Heresy inventions. How heretical of me to imagine Marines without thunder hammers, assault cannons, storm bolters, storm shields, etc. What next, Army that's not Guard?

>>50104914
I agree with you on some of the points, however a setting without thunder hammers would automatically feel less warhammer. It's like you would want a setting without powerfists next.

>>50104890
>I want to use lascannon heavy support too, but I'm not sure I can justify their points cost

Someone needs to make an HHG-themed WhereDoYouthinkWeAre.jpg. Worrying about points cost in Rule of Coolhammer?

>>50104704
Because Space Wolves is the most romanticised legion/chapter. They also have hair.

>>50104891
They're going to be infiltrating or scouting foward as far as possible. And I only play infantery heavy lists, the only vehicles I have multiples of are rhinos.

>>50104930
It is a legitimate concern when you are restricted by a maximum army point cost (for local meta etc) and want to field as many cool toys as possible in one list.... that is my problem at least.

>>50104928
Model power mauls as hammers.

>>50104944
If scouting forward then I could certainly see the argument for flamers. There are a lot of lists that want to get charges off on infantry and if you are scouting forward then you should definitely play to expect it.

I just wish breachers got a little bit more love in the last update. Even in 30k my meta is fairly competitive, and while we still have friendly games I want breachers in all lists!

>>50104960
I mean, that would be a good solution if other power weapons were not better in 95% of situations. (5% may even be generous, but I am aware of it working well against non marines or on a forgelord with rad grenades fishing for ID).

>>50104930
It's not very cool to spend 20% of your army on a single unit of 10 MEQ that'll get blasted off the board turn 1 by anyone who realizes how much of a glasscannon they are.

>>50104984
How often do people use thunder hammers in 30k? Seems like Fists and Chainfists do about as well. Even in 40k it's mostly just hammernators, since they come with them.

>>50105020
People use them a lot in my area as a touch of flavor, for the most part. It is a way to make a model stand out from all the fists and still get slight bonuses vs monsterous creatures/mechanicum baddies without costing too much extra.

As an IW player I try to fit in thunder hammers whenever possible because it just seems to fit the theme so well. My termy captains always have TH, for instance. Most of the time is overkill, however I have had them slow down Primarchs and the like with the concussive rule.

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>>50104365
>Being in /Hhg for this long but not knowing about Scanon's nefarious buisness practices

>>50105020
i'm gonna be rolling with a thunder hammer on my IH praetor, partially because they look awesome, but also because a 3+ invuln makes me less wary of getting paragon'd

>>50105072
You probably shouldnt call out people when you don't know the facts.

Scanon will not have access to his baller scanner when Inferno launches (due to the delay) on account of finishing his schooling.

>>50104515
ALOT better than before.
My WIP are 2 tacticals to be used as test models for my primer and scheme, but whenever I'm free it's to cold to paint. it's PlateMail and KA yellow fucked up and I don't want to risk the same on a 20 man blob

>>50104704
I've seen women play Nids, Necrons, and Chaos. Nothing else.

It is worth noting that every one of these women got into the hobby with their husband.

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Dilemma:

How would you go about doing Lernean termies? I don't really care for the Cataphractii models but I know lore-wise, that's what they use.

Would it feel cheesey to just use Tartaros armor or would you even care?

>>50105143
If their unit entry says they use a specific type of armor, that's what you must give them.

>>50105143
Wait, they use Cataphractii? That seems sooo wrong.

However no, you can't switch their termy armor type. Each armor type has pros and cons (or rly just pros OR cons, right now) but changing the model would drastically alter their rules and just proxying a different termy armor would confuse an opponent who knows the differences.

You are kinda just stuck. Might as well wait to see if what FW does with them looks cool to you or just try to mess with the cataphractii look.

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>>50104515

Here's my 3rd tactical squad I'm working on, the photo is washed out due to my shitty lighting but I'm happy how they're coming out

someone post the alpha legion recipe? a buddy is looking for an easy way to do it
>>50105143
>>50105172
only time you can pick your terminator armour is when the unit type either just says terminator armour and doesnt specify a variant(i.e. deathshroud)

>>50105190
Nope, you still cant pick. The official ruling from FW is to look at the model if the rules dont say. they used to do that a lot before they really decided on the differences between the 3 sets.

>>50105143
I wouldn't mind you using Tartaros Armour, so long as you aren't using Tartaros rules.

>>50105143

They must be in Cataphractii

Normal AL tartaros termies with banestrike bolts are actually pretty good though

>>50105067
>>50105086
Surely people who do it for the flavor would also use hammer shaped power mauls, no?

>>50105210
Keep in mind, everything I am about to say does not apply to a friendly game with someone you know and talk about house rules with. Nothing applies in those situations.

I think it's a bad idea to allow people to proxy models with another model that has in game rules. It is just confusing for everyone you will play against and I would basically recommend you to remind them EVERYTIME they have a turn.

I have definitely lost games at an LGS because it can be hard to keep track of conversions when the models should have different rules entirely.

>>50105204
Where does it say that?

The FAQ that has the revised section on termie armor supports >>50105190 and I'd like to know where that rule is.

>>50105240
That was why i specifically mentioned that there are bonuses for a hammer over fist, and the opportunity cost is low.

Power mauls are straight bad most of the time.

>>50105204
>If a unit has the option of taking Terminator armour but does not specify a particular pattern, such as the Legion Terminator Squad entry, its pattern is that represented on the physical models used, and only a single type of Terminator armour may be chosen for the unit when included in your army.

Deathshroud does not specify what armor mark they use therefore you can choose what terminator suit they are wearing when you model them, same for vanilla Terminators. Lemean on the other hand have 'Cataphractii Armor' as their wargear so you can only model them with that type of armor.

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>>50104774
Maybe he likes the feeling of blood in his boots

>>50105268

Am... am I taking crazy pills? Look at your own post
> ....its pattern is that represented on the physical models used...

So just fucking look at the deathshroud! It is clearly a specific type of termy armor.

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trying to make the most out of a monopose sculpt, I can't really complain

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>>50105190

>>50104914
The imperial army/auxiliaries could do with taking a few cues from the guard.

They feel like half an army, for now. Give them orders and more shit to take. Platoons! Cavalry! chimera-chassis vehicles/artillery! The legions get basilisks, but the plebs don't? Bull.

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Whatre you guys working on today?

>>50105311
>in

Eww...

>>50105339
Shit, I didn't of digging into the neck to do mine, so I cut out the little arch over the head to make way for the IW head. That and took out the gorget like you did.
Ah shit, I'll see how it goes, don't want to rush it anyway, I'll probably come back to it bit by bit.

>>50105268
I think you are confused anon. Your reading comprehension has failed you.

You read "...on the physical models used.." and somehow thought that meant you get to chose whatever model to use, like a standard termy squad?

However, you need to realize that some units have AN OFFICIAL MODEL from forgeworld, like the deathshroud. You don't get to take any model and say it isa deathshroud. The OFFICIAL MODELS clearly have Tartaros

>>50104384
I like children. They are tasty.

>>50105268
Didn't they FAQ that because the Deathshroud now have their own models?

>>50105325
Yeah, it's pretty obvious in the Deathshrouds' case but, strangely, they didn't officially give them Tartaros armor when they redid the Legions book. They probably will next time.

>>50105351
Militia is just PDF that FW whipped out with next to no support. Proper Army is yet to come, though I hear rumours Tallarn will feature them more prominently.

>>50105389
I mean, Forgeworld making another obvious typo/error an editor should have easily fixed is nothing remotely close to new.

It's just annoying when idiots try to use these failings of FW as justification to do clearly stupid shit.

>>50105375

Yeah if you can dig out a good amount of space there's enough space for a helmet (gotta clip the neck bump quite a bit)

The bitch is making sure it's not too fat in the other axii either

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>>50105405
just like "free" chainaxes

>>50105362
Assembling breachers. Every since the Boarding Assault upgrade set was released I've wanted a huge unit of marines with those shields, and with Breacher being a real unit and BoP there are few excuses left not to.

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>>50105362
Just finishing up this disgusting abomination.

>>50105482
Lets see the back of it then

>>50105446
Yes, that was exactly what I was thinking about however I did not want to say it by name incase some retards and/or trolls would try to start the argument up again.

>>50105405
Didn't they give Typhon Tartaros armour, though?

Can't wait for FW to clarify it as Tartaros on Deathshrouds as well and then people to lose their shit when they went and modeled their units in different pattern.

>>50105446
FW really should make a new FAQ, because the amount of official clarifications only found in emails, twitter and Farcebook is getting out of hand.

FAQ's are obscure enough for less experienced players to find, but these answers are a whole new level of unobtainable.

>>50105405
>>50105389

did you ever think that maybe they didn't give them the specific armor rules for balance purposes?

>>50105522
Look at the models. They ARE tartaros and they would only be called something else if FW literally decided to troll everyone for fun.

Pretty sure you have just mixed up your names entirely in that post, because they did give Typhon CATAPHRACTII plate, which makes him different from the deathshroud. Certainly makes them visually unique.

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>>50105491
Here you go senpai.

Brace.

>>50105546
No, that's dumb and doesn't make sense.

>>50105571
>>50105482
its pretty fucking awful, but not noticeably under all the weathering

>Don't trust any bolters you get from Hispanic techpriests.

Okay, what happened THIS time?

>>50105571
Yup, that spartan is already immobilised.

>>50105583
That's the idea. It's the kind of tank that looks perfectly fine on the tabletop and serves its purpose adequately, but completely falls apart under even the most cursory inspection.

>>50105602
This is what happens when you put the Nails into your techmarines. Be warned.

>>50105570
>Look at the models. They ARE tartaros and they would only be called something else if FW literally decided to troll everyone for fun.

I know what they're modeled in. My point is that for some reason FW didn't feel like giving them Tartaros armour on their entry, even though the Tartaros had its own rules for some time before the legion book came out.

>CATAPHRACTII plate

I'll never remember that, because of his Deathshroud hand flamer and I always imagine him as a much rounder shape, mostly due to his 40k model (which is in Indomitus suit...)

>>50105629

>Buthcers Nails was a mistake

-Angron

So how much artillery is generally acceptable in 30k games? Planning on starting 1500 Ordo Reductor and expanding from there, and I like Phosphex, but I don't want to be a massive douche and just burn things.
Was planning on 4 artillery tanks, 2 Thallax with multimelta, and two 20thrall blobs.
Season with a grav-myrmidon squad in a Triaros or a Lightning fighter once I have enough money and time.
Does this sound decent?

>>50105584
Maxima bolters, aka. "Mexican bolters".

>>50105649
Butchers' Nails, not even once

>>50105647
Erm, yeah i guess it would be funny for Forgeworld to randomly change something in a way they have never done before just to fuck with their audience.... pretty useless point but I guess i agree with you...

Just like it would be hilarious if they suddenly announces that all marks of power armor have different stats and changed the looks of all the existing marks. Hilarious, right?

>>50105656
>not wanting to be a massive douche
>Mechanicum

Stumbled at the first hurdle :^)

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>>50104930

>>50105689
>tfw MkII becomes the best armor set
My all MkII army will have paid off! You'll see! All $1328.27 will have finally paid off!

>>50105743
Ultramemes are pretty good in 30k. You just don't see many other legions here except an endless tide of Iron Warriors. Anyone claiming to be from a different legion is also an Iron Warrior. Or an Alpharius.

>>50105769
Oh yeah, what would be your face when they make fucking Heresy armor the best to boost sales?

>>50105689
>all marks of power armour have different stats

To be honest, they should have done this from the beginning.

>mkII - +1 Run and Charge distances ("crusade" armour)
>mkIII - Failed armour saves may be rerolled and passed on a 6+ (dead 'ard)
>mkIV - Cover saves taken by models shot at by this unit are rerolled (advanced sensory equipment)
>mkV - Armour can be "overloaded" to grant Furious charge for one round of combat. For the rest of the game, armour is reduced to a 4+ save (burning shitheap)
>mkVI - Missed shots made by units with this armour may be rerolled and passed on a 6+ (very advanced sensory equipment)

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Are the Ultramarines actually any good in 30k?

I heard some general bitching about their unique units when they released but haven't seen a single UM poster in what seems like ages.
I've always wanted to paint up "AL infiltrating as another legion" so I could use swap between legion tactics.

>>50104704
>female Sisters player

In my experience there are a surprising amount of trans sister players. Yes, they all pretty much take them in a "we're better than space marines and all lesbians" angle too.

>>50105769
>>50105786
I would be fine with it being done from the start, but my point was about how its waaaaaaaaay to late to ever consider doing that.

>>50105743
I'm painting up an opertii force, but only really because my 40k army was already basically that and it means I only have to paint the marine part again.

>>50105546
>give phoenix terminators tartaros specificially, matching their models
>give tyrant siege terminators cataphractii specificially
>give gorgon terminators gorgon specificially, matching their models
>give red butchers cataphractii specificially, matching their models
>give fulmentarus terminators cataphractii specificially
>give grave warden terminators cataphractii specificially, matching their models
>give justaerin terminators cataphractii specificially, matching their models
>give firedrake terminators cataphractii specificially, matching their models
>give lernaean terminators cataphractii specificially
>give literally every other legion-specific unit of terminators a specific set of armour
>deathshroud have an existing model with a specific set of armour
>implying it's a conscious decision rather than an oversight

If they actually wanted Deathshroud to have a choice, they would've added an asterisk like on the regular terminator unit in LA:AoDAL. They had already released the FAQ that changed what the armours did before LA:AoDL was released so that's no excuse either.

>>50105788
UM are good army wide due to their combined fir rule (forget what it is actually called). And their Girlyman is waaaaaaaaay stronger in a challenge then he has any right to be.

Their special units are pretty meh tho.

>>50105773
They'd make MkV the worst to fit te fluff, silly anon!

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>>50105190
Don't have the image handy, but what I did in my post is based on something I found on IG.

-leadbelcher base
-touched up with a thin layer of it
-ironbreaker
-drybrushed highest points with runefang
-washed about 3 layers of FW Calth Clear Blue.

The result is what I have in that pic. Would've saved a ton of time if I had an airbrush.

Thanks to all for the replies about the Lernean. Sucks butts but I shall comply.

>>50105715
Is Mechanicum considered cheesy or something? I just wanted to get/convert some awesome models and have something a bit different than the Legions, because speshul snowflake. Therefore Mechanicum.
I just saw them as tough but expensive and reasonably versatile army. Am I missing something?
I would rather not stomp the local World Eaters player because I accidentally picked the equivalent of Tau or something. (Although Archmagos buffs look fun to play with at first glance and I really want to try out Scoria once if only for the smash value)

>>50105854
They used to be but they got nerfed into a very reasonable place now. But lots of people don't think for themselves so they just parrot the old stuff they heard about Mechanicum being OP in the past.

>>50105854
Some of their options are absolutely retarded good, or so hey say. Really, not a whole lot in 30k is that overpowered, but Mechanicum are close. If you're just starting out with them though, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Just take what you think looks cool.

>>50105854
They are without a doubt the easiest army to make cheesy, especially before the nerfs.

In a game where most armies are designed to take on power armor, an army with the ability to both swarm cheap fearless dudes AND monstrous creatures is fucking savage.

However, if you dont want to be a powergamer then there are many ways to overspend on characters etc.. to reduce the cheesiness of your army. At least it is not as bad as is used to be, where castellax were auto-cheese due to their point cost.

>>50105788

UM are quite good in 30k and have some very unique rules, unlike their 40k counter parts. Guilliman is excellent


Pick a legion and do it, don't switch. If you play AL you can steal the UM specific units anyway

>>50105881
>>50105903
>>50105890

Ok, nice. My planned army is not the most mobile and heavy on the light vehicles and infantry, so if the same power levels re. Unit types apply as 40k I might be OK.
Cybernetica looks the least cool to me, I like Thallax, Thralls, artillery tanks and maybe some flyers or that Strato-automata. What are the big units to avoid if not to be called a powergamer?

>>50105936
If you are not going Cyber than it should be easier to not be a powergamer. Basically at that point just dont spam options and you should be 100% fine.

>>50105788
Suzies OP

>>50105788
>>50105830
Their special units are expensive, but widely considered to be better than the IW and IF equivalents that the UM stole for themselves. It's their rites of war that are weak.

I think you don't see them often because 30k players are often trying to get away from 40k, and the UM didn't change much from one era to the next. But if you model an army from the Underground War on Calth they can look pretty distinct (they didn't clean their armor much).

>>50105955
Excellent. I prefer my armies with a theme but lots of different unit types anyway, like a few artillery units and then some flyers or heavy infantry or something, just big explosions is only fun for one or two games. Time to get to work on my Thallax (assumed one Thallax unit would pretty much always be some use). Ave Omnissiah!

>>50105689
>randomly change something

Deathshrouds weren't "give them whatever you want," they specifically had "Terminator armour," which was your standard suit back in the day. Only cataphractii had its own rules. Then in the FAQ they changed tartaros to have its own rules. Phoenix terminators went from "terminator armour" to "tartaros terminator armour", which is consistent with the models themselves.

It's weird for the army list entry to say at the back "If a unit has the option of taking Terminator armour but does not specify a particular pattern" when "terminator armour" IS a pattern with its own rules, and giving the example of "such as the Legion Terminator Squad entry" when then unit entry specifically says "The unit may either be equipped with Terminator armour, Tartaros Terminator armour or Cataphractii Terminator armour."

Under this logic, no unit can be given just "terminator armour", because giving them that automatically makes them able to have cataphractii and tartaros, and why wouldn't you, they're hands down better options. So if SW Wolf Guard are modeled in indomitus, depicted in indomitus and the fluff says they're in indomitus, but their entry says "Terminator armour", you can freely put them in tartaros and cataphractii.

But if they're modeled in cataphractii, depicted in cataphractii, the fluff says they're in cataphractii, and their entry says "Cataphractii terminator armour", you can only use them in cataphractii.

So, really, is it a "random change" for them to fix a typo or an entry they forgot to fix? At the moment they're the only legion specific terminator unit with a model and the ability to take any suit they want. Sit on it for a while and think.

>>50105830
>Girlyman is waaaaaaaaay stronger in a challenge then he has any right to be
He's boring the opponent to death with a treatise on how to be a better space marine man.

>>50105936
If you're mostly going for the tanks and light infantery you should be ok. It's mostly the monsterous creature spam with fearless meatbag screen that is very hard to deal with unless you happen to spam sniper veterans and such.

>>50106020
I do like me some fearless meatbags, though. Guess I am going easy on them, 40 Thralls tops. Any more and id get bored of painting them anyway. :)

>>50105786
They shouldn't have done it to terminators in the first place.

What next, give Deimos pattern Rhino hulls a 5+ Repair roll, different bolter patterns different rules, MkII Phobos extra armour stock, etc.?

>>50106009
>at this moment they're the only legion specific terminator unit with a model and a typo/omission in their unit entry regarding what armor they wear.

ftfy. Forgeworld fucking shit up is seriously not new, this is why we unfortunately have to read into their intentions and make logical decisions based on all of the other rules. You say this one thing standing out is important, I say its a typo/ommission.

I believe that my viewpoint is more supported by past changes/fuckups on FW's part.

>>50106009
>So if SW Wolf Guard are modeled in indomitus, depicted in indomitus and the fluff says they're in indomitus, but their entry says "Terminator armour", you can freely put them in tartaros and cataphractii.

No. This is so clearly wrong that it stands out even when i disagree with all of what you are saying. See >>50105268

>>50106077
>You say this one thing standing out is important, I say its a typo/ommission.

I hope that (you) is the neutral (you) and you're not accusing me of being of the opinion that FW intended Deathshrouds to have access to any armour pattern.


Best way to deal with this crap is to just not go exploiting such things. I can tell you that I know plenty of people who have a lot of useless conversions and units they've made because rules totally said they could, and then they got super salty when GW/FW "randomly" changed things. Slow and steady, middle of the road. That's how you make a long lasting army.

If Malcador was successful in getting female Primarchs, which 9 Primarchs would be female?

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So I'm playing a couple of games in the next week, and until my shit (mostly terminators) comes in the mail, this is the list I'm running with. Thoughts and critiques?

World Eaters – Berserker Assault Rite of War – 2990 pts

-HQ-
Legion Praetor - 185
-Power Fist
-Paragon Blade
-Digital Lasers
-Iron halo

Legion Centurion - 100
-Volkite Charger
-Power Fist
-Refractor Field
-Artificer Armour

-Elites-
Apothecarion Detachment - 165
-3 Apothecaries w/Artificer Armour & Chainaxes

Red Butchers - 295
-The Devoured w/2 Chainfists
-Land Raider Phobos – Dedicated Transport - 260
-Extra Armour
-Amoured Ceramite
-Frag Assault Launcher

-Troops-
Legion Tactical Squad - 210
-5 additional marines
-Exchanged CCWs
-Legion Vexilla
-Sergeant w/Power Fist and Artificer Armour

Legion Tactical Squad – 210
-5 additional marines
-Legion Vexilla
-Sergeant w/Power Sword, Melta Bombs, and Artificer Armour

Legion Tactical Squad – 210
-5 additional marines
-Legion Vexilla
-Sergeant w/Power Sword, Melta Bombs, and Artificer Armour

-Heavy Support-
Legion Sicaran Battle Tank - 235
-Lascannon Sponsons
-Auxiliary Drive
-Armoured Ceramite

Legion Heavy Support Squad- 160
-Autocannons

Spartan Assault Tank - 335
-Armoured Ceramite
-Auxiliary Drive

-Lord of War-
The Primarch Angron - 400

I haven't taken a pic of my army in quite a while.

>>50106144
I am confused that you are now advocating a middle of the road approach when you were previously telling people to do whatever they want, fuck common sense and previous rulings by FW.

If a model has indomitus pattern termy armor, guess what its rules are? This is not a complicated subject matter and it is starting to feel like you are starting a new chainaxe fiasco. The progression is pretty damn clear:

Rules > model > player choice

Do the rules state what pattern it is? if yes then there you go, if it says termy armor look at the model.

Doed the model have specific termy armor? If yes than there you go, if the model is not released yet then I would totally let you proxy whatever termy armor you want. I may be miffed if fluff states they have one pattern, but fluff has no bearing on the tabletop so i would let you abuse FW's fuckup in that timeframe. Once the models get released then you are stuck with that armor.

>>50106114
>This is so clearly wrong

How is it wrong when the argument you tell me to look says that if no specific mark is given, you can model them in any pattern you want?

"Terminator armour" is the "non-Cataphractii, non-Tartaros" terminator armour. Ok, lets say they make "Indomitus terminator armour", what will its entry say, other than "Indomitus terminator armour is a terminator armour"?

But, hey, when FW gets off their ass and gives Deathshrouds Tartaros on their entry, you can come here and bitch about this sudden and random change.

>>50106228
Okay I think we both clearly need to either rephrase our core arguments or just fuck off cuz its 4chan haha, there is clearly a misunderstanding.

The "sudden and random change" would be them labeling them as anything BUT tartar sauce armor. They have previously established the precident of: look at the armor on the model if it doesnt say and moving away from that would be insane, in my opinion.

I was linking you specifically to the parapgraph restating the: look at the armor.

AS I said >>50106215 this seems like a very very simple chain of logic when trying to determine what armor a model has.

>>50106215
>you were previously telling people to do whatever they want, fuck common sense and previous rulings by FW.

I was NEVER telling anyone to do that?

I'm advocating that, yes, by RAW, it's like that. But also that Deathshrouds not having Tartaros in their entry is an oversight and that once FW fixes it, it's not a "random change" as anon put it.


>If a model has indomitus pattern termy armor, guess what its rules are?

What if I model them in Cataphractii? I mean, that's the whole point people are making, that if the entry says "terminator armour," you look at the model, and if you're using conversions in, say, Cataphractii, then the unit has Caraphtactii.

It's like the old thing with Screaming Banshees, when they had "Power Weapon" in their entry and people started modelling them with power axes and mauls, according to the 6e-7e power weapon rules. Then the codex was updated to have "power sword" and people got mad.

I'm merely acknowledging that according to this oversight in Deathshroud rules you can model them in any suit you want, but that it's an oversight and they're gonna fix it at some point, so don't go crazy with it.

I'm building a Blood Angel Pride of the Legion list themed around a force that normally does Zone Mortalis and other Space Combat stuff. I've considered putting in some lascannon heavy supports for the anti-tank since I'm mostly foot slogging, but does that feel unfluffy for such a theme? How should I deal with anti-tank other wise?

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>>50101402
>inb4 Saturnine

Someone called?

>>50106363
The problem is, I am the anon who was first referring to random changes and it was in the precise context that I just told you.

I am assuming that you are>>50106009 ? If not then I am confused. That anon said
>So if SW Wolf Guard are modeled in indomitus, depicted in indomitus and the fluff says they're in indomitus, but their entry says "Terminator armour", you can freely put them in tartaros and cataphractii.

Which is the exact antithesis of my entire argument and is 100% the same as telling someone to do whatever they want.

OOOOOOOOH I GET IT. Yeah man, I believe you made the same reading comprehension fail as another anon. Look at >>50105381

You don't get to chose what THE MODEL is, as it is referring to the official model. If there is an official model put out that is INTENDED to represent those rules, then saying you can crab any model off your shelf and it is "THE MODEL" referenced in the rules is pretty clearly a fucked up interpretation. Really comes across as asshole rules lawyery.

>>50106275
>The "sudden and random change" would be them labeling them as anything BUT tartar sauce armor.

Well, I was never advocating for that. I thought you were claiming that actually giving them Tartaros, which they have on the models, but not in the entry, would be a random change.

>I was linking you specifically to the parapgraph restating the: look at the armor.

The extra confusing bit is that Deathshroud entry specifically mentions that Deathshrouds "must always be modelled/painted to be visually distinct from standard Legion Terminator squads to avoid confusion."

I mean, they got their own models, how exactly are they not distinct enough? It's not like you can even use them as normal terminators, since they got the hand flamers that regular terminators don't have. So you can see how someone looking at the entry and figuring out they can model them in any pattern they want.

I remember a lot of people, especially when the FAQ came out, talking about how it's totally kosher to model your Deathshrouds however you want, because the rules say it's ok.

>>50106452
>as it is referring to the official model

By that logic, though, a unit can only have the power weapons that come in the official model kit and no conversions are allowed. If the tactical marine box only has power swords, no chance of giving them power axes or mauls, because they're not on the official models, and you determine the rules of the power weapon by looking at the model.

You can see how people can get things mixed. Especially when Deathshroud entry talks about modelling the unit, as seen in >>50106460

>>50106460
Yeah, I cant imagine that they would ever intentionally make a unit that can be modelled differently, and therefore have different rules. That just seems like the exact opposite of the WYSIWYG that warhammer has been ruled by for a long time and is more open to player abuse then even standard rules (its not like they are going to test all of the different armor combinations).

Is this list good?

Pretty boys in tanks
2000pts

Shattered Legion
(BA+EC)
Traitors
RoW; Armoured breaktrough

Hq
EC Delegatus, artificier, Phoenix Spear, refractor

BA Moritat, 2 ip, Artificier

Elites
EC Sicaran
9 BA destroyers in rhinos. Melta bombs, artificer, rad missiles

Troops

2x 1 pred w/ass-sponsons

Fast
9 EC seekers, combi-plas, artificier, plasma pistol, phoenix spear. Lr proteus w/ hull lascannon, extra and dozer

Heavy
Squad of 3 preds w/ machine spirit, twin assturret, ass sponsons, pitle mounted ass. 1 is command tank.

???

Is it good?

>>50106386
>but does that feel unfluffy for such a theme?
Kinda. Lascannons are too strong and risk puncturing the hull.

>How should I deal with anti-tank other wise?
magnetized dreadnoughts with lascannons, melta support squads, maybe even an inferno-pistol moritat if you want to be ballsy

Problem is you'll be relying on a handful of fragile squads with no real way to deliver them beyond drop pods.

Might be a good idea to do up your ZM force first, then pick up a couple tanks to spice things up in regular games afterwards.

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>>50104515
Putin a lil more work into generic psyker who is most certainly not Ahriman. Also just got a bunch of upgrade kits in for the BaC/BoP boxes I'm sitting on. They're saoking for a clean right now.

>>50106386
It can be justified, but it doesn't feel right to me either. Yes, you'd want heavy weapon squads to arrive just behind your initial boarding party, but I only picture them using lascannons in a very large space like the hangar of a ship being boarded.

Demolition teams going deep into a Space Hulk are more likely to carry multi-meltas or bring Rapiers with them. So I vote for laser destroyer arrays on Rapiers.

>>50105846
I've been waiting forever for a laernean model. I wanna run them with conversion beamers because I'm stupid, and I think the terminator-conversion beamer model will kick ass when we get to see it. Really wish the unit had split fire though. Plasma blasters are probably the honest "correct" choice for special weapons for the unit, but at least the beamers give you something to do if they get stuck footsloggin'.

>>50106506
I honestly see the connection that you are trying to make but I think it is a stretch. What you are saying would also apply to every heavy/special weapons team box GW have ever made (which is your point, I believe).

As far as I can tell, you are saying that having "termy armor" in a unit entry is the same as "power weapon" so they cant stop you from switching out to a different termy armor.

This is why i bring up: you have to look at precedent and assume everything that does not fit into the rest of the rules COULD be a typo. They would be the only special termy unit like that, for no reason and it wouldnt make any sense. As for the modelling statement, maybe they expected people to use the deathshroud kits for normal termies?

The line of reasoning you are using, while not completely wrong, is clearly with the intent to make an abuseable hole in the rules. Yes, I see why a ruleslawyer would agree (they would have to agree with your point about "THE MODEL" = any model I have in front of me and say is Deathshroud. Which is the weakest part of your argument imo) but I cant think of a single gamer that wouldn't at least give you a little shit if you tried to pull cataphractii deathshroud out at a LGS.

>>50106653
additional point I forgot: You are totally allowed to kitbash every model ever (which is why they have put in % requirements of GW parts for tournaments) however it still has to have the same armor. They probably put the part about making them look unique so that you can use all standard tartar termies if you reeeaaaally wanted.

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tfw going to miss a week of hhg

>>50106521
You better be going for the kill because you're not going ti get any objectives. Those predators are real easy target that gives away fb and objective denial. Your destroyers will get shot next, their rhino an easy pop that will leave them and their 12 inch range pistols stranded. Your seekers might make it into position, but are boned for anti-tank with the destroyers stranded.

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Is there anything from the Scanon for the White Scars?

>>50106537
The problem is I hate tanks and arty. I do have a double melta dreadnaught, and could take my vets instead as tacs w/ drop pods for non ZM games. My terminators will get to deep strike while the naughts, tacs, and I guess support squad will get into position. Could run a support squad of flamers for ZM and another of meltas for reg games?

>>50106653
>>50106673
Straight from the book:
>"If a unit has the option of taking Terminator armour but does not specify a particular pattern, such as the Legion Terminator Squad entry, its pattern is that represented on the physical models used, and only a single type of Terminator armour may be chosen for the unit when included in your army."
>"its pattern is that represented on the physical models used."

And the power weapon entry from the rulebook:
>"If a model’s wargear says it has a power weapon which has no further special rules, look at the model to tell which type of power weapon it has: if it’s a sword or dagger, it’s a power sword; if it’s an axe or halberd, it’s a power axe; if it’s a blunt weapon like a mace or staff, it’s a power maul; if it’s a spear or lance, it’s a power lance."
>"look at the model to tell which type of power weapon it has"

If "terminator armour" is the one on the official model, why isn't "power weapon" the one on the official model? If "power weapon" allows conversion to be done, such a switching the Marine power weapon to an Eldar one, why can't the physical model of the terminator be switched out to a different pattern one?

>>50106800

because then people arguing one way would be wrong and people arguing the other way would be right and neither side wants to see the other win.

>>50106774
Mass deep-strike would probably work well enough. There's also the leviathan if you like him. The storm cannon works pretty great against anything that isn't AV14.

And yeah, support squads are excellent. Depending on your local meta's dreadnought quotient, you may want those meltas in ZM as well.

What's the ideal point level for ZM? Can you do 'big' games with it?

>>50106857
I guess, though 1000pts. seems pretty standard. Lets you have a few units on either side.

>>50104384
Toast is okay with some other anglo stuff like peanut butter, but toasted grey bread is better.

>Wonder Bread.

>>50106743
when did baymax become a space marine?

>>50106857
>Can you do 'big' games with it?

Its rules are nice to do a city fight game in a normal board, just add a bunch of terrain and buildings, make sure you agree that all walls are blocking LoS and you got a deadly game of urban fighting.

>>50106857
1000-1500 in normal 40k
1500-2000 in 30k, because of how bloated some of the costs get

>Can you do 'big' games with it?
If your table is big enough and you have enough terrain, yes.

>>50106800
First of all, conversion in modeling generally means switching aesthetics but keeping the same rule. So using a different race's power sword is, in fact, converting and does not change the rules.

Changing the terminator armor on a model is not simply converting, it is changing the rules of the model/unit. That has nothing to do with converting, and would be simply choosing wargear in your analogy. I keep getting confused by terms being used interchangeably.

What you are stating is: if i am given an option in power weapons why not terminator armor. Our main differences still boils down to me thinking that FW intended you to use the official models or convert with them in mind, which still makes the most sense to me with the rest of the settings and the rules.

What is the point of using named units if they can be whatever? Most/all of the named units in the HH had a set job to do/role/equipment load out. For instance, of course you want death dudes to be able to overwatch with their flamers.

Does it suck that I am not allowed to customize Perty's Tormentor? yes. But it would not be a named unit if i was allowed to customize what it has (and seriously, i am using the most shady example because it would make sense for Perty to tinker with his tank). Named units and characters come in the armor that they use in the fluff and I don't really understand why you would try to ruleslawyer around this would it being super dickish/WAAC. Even if you did it to nerf yourself, it would not make sense because I have never read anything about special termy units not using their special termy suits. They are supposed to be specially customized for them, which explains the lack of armor mark variety.

>>50105647
>Typhon slows his Deathshroud so they behave pretty much like Indomitus that cannot even run
SADNESS
>But at least he has a chance to make them Invisible
eh...
>And is a Chapter Master Librarian Azariah Kyras that also has a chem orbital bombardment, with rad grenades
Squad morale restored.

>>50107018
>First of all, conversion in modeling generally means switching aesthetics but keeping the same rule. So using a different race's power sword is, in fact, converting and does not change the rules.

That's exactly what the "power weapon" entry is for. It changes the rules of the weapon depending on the model. But I guess my Marine sergeant can only have the Official Power Weapon that comes in the kit, and I can't give him a power maul from another kit, because that would change the rules.

>Our main differences still boils down to me thinking that FW intended you to use the official models or convert with them in mind, which still makes the most sense to me with the rest of the settings and the rules.

No, our main differences boil down to me thinking that by RAW it's possible to model them as you want, and you thinking that the model you're suppose to look is the official one, not the one you brought to the table.

We're both on the same page that FW fucked up and their intent is different from how it plays out in the rules.

It's like the case of old Ogre Kingdom rules that allowed their wizards to buy magical armour due to a loophole (their wizard could get a piece of wargear that gave them armour and rules say that if a wizard has or can buy armour, they can buy magical armour). Except instead of GW never addressing it, they just made a really pissy statement to the effect of "yeah, sure, it's legal by RAW, but you're a dick for doing it."

>>50107215
First point: you specifically used the example of switching one power sword for another so i went with that. If you wanted to be clear that you were talking about changing the rules you should have switched to an eldar power axe or something.

I want to divide the sides up into one additional one. There is a level to RAW. There is the slightly RAW over RAI, and then there is full blown dick RAW that makes no sense.
Anything that lets you change the armor on a named character/named unit is automatically at the dick level of RAW because that has explicitly been never allowed and never will be. Named characters/units are supposed to be units that you cant just build using the standard, nameless units.

Not all RAW is the same and yours is straight up chainaxes are free level. If you agree that it is fucking retarded, but that someone could make the point, I will agree with you. I will also punch that person in the face if they try to spring that on me in a game, just like I would with the chainaxe faggot.

>>50107179
he looks cooler than his primarch (a trend in the character series, I find), and comes with a helmet

>>50106206
seems pretty standard. it sucks how many points having a primarch takes up because I feel like the whole list is an angron delivery unit/paying points to unlock berserker assault. but what do I know, I'm gonna be playing a crimson path list with mine.

>>50107268
>First point: you specifically used the example of switching one power sword for another so i went with that. If you wanted to be clear that you were talking about changing the rules you should have switched to an eldar power axe or something.

Did you forget the power weapon rules I just posted a while back before telling me you can't change rules with just modelling stuff differently? Also, have you looked at DA legion rules where modelling weapons as swords gives them a buff over other weapon types?

Identical unit entries having different rules according to how they're modeled is a thing.

>Anything that lets you change the armor on a named character/named unit is automatically at the dick level of RAW because that has explicitly been never allowed and never will be.

Marneus Calgar can choose between power armour and terminator armour.

>Named characters/units are supposed to be units that you cant just build using the standard, nameless units.

So why does the Deathshroud entry say you have to model and paint them distinctly from normal terminators?

>>50105658
:^) :^) :^)
>>50105749
Saved
>>50106202
Well, all of them, right? It's all or nothing.
I guess the IF would go "for the glory of the Matriarch and Him on Earth"?
BTW, why do they call Terra "Earth"? I thought the name had already been forgotten.
>>50107282
Squad morale restored again. The Death Guard have some of the best characters:
>Nathaniel Garro
THE Knight Errant himself. Secretly believes in the Emperor, gets shit done and exposed Horus' treachery, preventing him from taking Terra by surprise.
>Durak Rask
Chapter Master Siege Breaker. Killed too soon.
>Morturg
Survives Istvaan, becomes a robo-zombie and rolls with Decima near the Halo stars.
>Typhon
Does what he wants, survives the heresy. Has his own Destroyer ship, invented his own Destroyer termies and became host of the Destroyer hive.
>Mortarion
Endured all the suffering, but trusted the wrong people, and tried fighting witchery with witchery. Retired to the Plague planet to live his dream of being a farmer.

>>50104357
Isn't Durak Rask arguably a Chapter Master Siege Breaker? Those are only identified by the Art of Destruction rule, which he has.

Excuse me, but how many Allied Detachments can an army take in HH at 2,000 points? Is it 1 like in 7th or 1 per 1,000 points like in 6th? I can't seem to find an answer. Thank you in advance for any help.

>>50107400
>Isn't Durak Rask arguably a Chapter Master Siege Breaker? Those are only identified by the Art of Destruction rule, which he has.

It needs to say he counts as a (Consul type) for it to work. See the WBs HQs. Half have Counts as a Diabolist for this that and the other.

>>50107400
>Squad morale restored again.
I mean, until you look at morty, but yeah. Garro and typhon look great.

Shame FW dropped the ball real fuckin' hard on the fist characters. They don't even have helmets. And if that event model is any indication, the smurfs won't fare any better.

>>50107424
Your red legion astartes book contains all the FOC lists you can use and what detachments they include.

>>50107400
>BTW, why do they call Terra "Earth"? I thought the name had already been forgotten.
Fists are trying to be fancy I suppose, or they learned it from Emps since they were once his bodyguards and decide they like calling Terra Earth more.

>>50107450
Nah, event models never count. They are usually the first models people ever make when they get on the team. Although yes, tat ultramarine standard is the worst model they have ever put out in the HH range.

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Just listened to this, I'm getting tired of gay ass self-serving kikes like Kor and Erebus running shit, at least his Gal Vorbak bodyguard is a selfless, idealistic Word Bearer who would sacrifice himself for the Gods and the Legion. My Guys are going to be that + retaining their Human nationalism/species-ism in viewing Chaos as ascending Humanity to the Gods' chosen species.

I don't want gay fucking spiky edgelords who care about nothing except for individual power. Word Bearers are literally a legion that goes against that trope, they are about faith and ideals, Black Legion and other mongrels post-Heresy are into that backstabbing kikery.

>>50104327

What time does the weekender start tomorrow?

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>>50107642
>mfw they actually showcase a furibundus dread

That or I hope they start selling the Deredeos lascannon arms.

>>50107439
I don't know, man. Following that line, Dreygur isn't a Praevian (except for his titles), Xiaphas Jurr doesn't count as a Chaplain (except for his explicit fluff, important for the new Salamander RoW), Surlak isn't a Primus Medicae, Skorr isn't a Delegatus ("Consul-Delegatus" is also his title, not said he "counts as such"), Autek Mor isn't an Iron Father, Lord Chaplain Nomus Rhytan isn't a Chaplain, and Moritat-Prime Kaedes Nex isn't a Moritat.

In fact the only time characters are mentioned to be specific consul-types is in the Word Bearer's section, the same that cannot be used as loyalists, except when they are, and it only happened after people specifically asked about this due to the RoW and LA chaplain/diabolist requirements, as you can read on the original version of their rules in HH2. Dunno, Siegemaster Durak Rask looks like a Siege Breaker.

We'll have to wait for the NEXT Legion Specifics Book then. ASSUMING of course FW bothers to fix stuff, like how they have done with Chainaxes since day one...right.

I hope at least Morturg gets some Blackshield rules like the Nemean Reaver does.

>>50107592
So, was it good or bad?

>>50107687
>fatalpulse

Disgusting.

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>>50107813
It was alright. I like Kor Phaeron's voice actor, Reynolds also made it nicely obvious Kor is a decrepit debilitated old creep. I don't like Marduk's insertion though, in fact I dislike virtually everything that Reynolds has written in 40k, his 30k stuff is alright though.

I enjoyed it.

>>50107439
>>50107400
>>50107792


I was thinking Durak Rask should unlock phosphex but it does not specify. I sent forgeworld an email so maybe they will toss me a bone.

>>50108033
I did too, they told me to Agree it with my opponent. Clever of them to take such a defined side on the issue.

>>50107916
shit taste

Someone post the campaign character creation pic from a couple thread ago.

>>50107916
I like the one where all the wizard's spare loli bodies are getting raped to death and hes shooting around between them as they die

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>>50108119

Rolled 1, 3, 6, 4, 6, 3 = 23 (6d6)

>>50108891
Danke.

Rolled 6, 3, 2 = 11 (3d6)

>>50108952
Rerolling, Character already has BS5.

Special Rule: Preternatural Reactions.
Warlord Trait: Immovable Object, gain IWND and Fearless
Holy crap, this is going to be one tough Archmagos Reductor.

>>50109059
Wait, only needed a 2d6.

WS5 BS5 S5 T6 W3 I4 A2 Ld10
Independant Character
Stubborn
Battlesmith
Master of Destruction
Bodyguard
Relentless
It Will Not Die
Fearless

On a scale of 1-10, how OP is this character's statline and special rules?

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>>50107916
So your taste is.

Actually, I can totally see where you're coming from, Asanagi crosses the line about as easily as ShindoL.

>>50108811
Sauce son

>>50109128
https://nhentai.net/g/152889/

Rolled 4, 6, 1, 4, 1, 3 = 19 (6d6)

>>50108891
ROLLIN FOR MY Not!Sharrokyn

Rolled 3, 2 = 5 (2d6)

>>50109142
Rollin' for traits

Ferocious Escalade(Lame)
Legendary Fighter(Fitting)

>>50109102

I'd give it a 5/Scoria

Rolled 5 (1d6)

>>50109167
Already LD10 rerollin'

Toughness 5 though is pretty neat I guess

>>50109142
>>50109167
>>50109180

WS6 BS5 S4 T5 W4 I4 A4 Ld10 2+

Iron Halo
Digital Weapons
Camo
Mastercrafted Paragon Blade

Ferocious Escalade
Legendary Fighter

Not bad, he'll definitely murderate things and take a hit from S8 like no chump. Ferocious Escalade is terrible though. Guess thats his balancing factor.

>>50109142
Mate, it's 2d6 for stats, one roll is for the table, one roll is for the stat, reroll if your character is at the maximum.

1d6 on any of the trait tables for your special rule, and then 3d6 and any WT chart in the BRB, pick three from the numbers you rolled from one chart, then pick between those three.

>>50109261
I WAS DECEIVED

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are mehcanicum broken?

>>50109284
Sometimes.

Really depends on what you take.

just spent 90 minutes putting 2 thinned layers of grey on 6 marines, at this rate I'll be playing with my World Eaters in Trump's second term.

>>50109456
>2 layers
>6 marines
>90 minutes
Jeez KA, how thorough are you?

I was thinking of starting 30k, and was looking to start Iron Hands. Is there anything I need to know about them or what's a good purchase to start with?

>>50109487
They have awesome rules and characters.

They also can improve IC Invulns, iirc. Also, shooting attacks against them are -1 S.

Also, Ferrus Manus fists are S8.

>>50109466
it's not that I'm thorough, it's that I suck. and I'm trying to suck less. Duncan in the video just "dipped a littol wattah in tha paint" and then slopped it all fucking over the model...I'm too much of a pussy to do that so I used a medium and I'm brushing it on in two layers.

>>50109511
You want milk-like consistency, and usually two layers.

Paint ONE marine at a time when doing a new paint scheme.

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>>50109284
no but Scoria is woop woop woop!
that was a max strength SOH squad with apothecary and his HQ.......was

>>50109505
I was thinking them or mechanicus. They seem like they can work together well. Are allies possible in 30k? Also which one would be better for starting out?

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>>50109487
They're great. Slow, but strong against shooting and they can take extra graviton guns.

While not a requirement, they preferred Mk III armor so a box of Burning of Prospero is a good place to start (or just the tactical marines/veterans, if they sell for a good deal on eBay). You'll need the two Legiones Astarte Age of Darkness FW books - one has the generic legion army list and the other has legion-specific things. Get lots of tanks too. They have a special character and special wargear that helps them.

They can be dark metallic gray or black. If you go with black, consider a cool black (add a hint of blue) and warm trim (add some brown to the silver). Look up the Red Talons for an example of an Iron Hands offshoot with a splash of color if you want something brighter.

>>50107929
>I don't like Marduk's insertion
Oh shit my dude, I'm actually kinda hype for this now as long as it's handled not terribly.

>>50109487
Just like in the fluff IH can do some nasty shit with mechanized assaults (see Autosimulacra Casterman Orth, Head of the Gorgon, etc.).

>>50109665
I love how hilariously broken scoria is
>>50109674
they certainly can be allies, and one of their rites of war let's you cut out the middleman and take mechanicum robots as elites choices which is awesome
take a praevian with some castellax for a unit that's nigh-impossible to kill

>>50109674
Allies are possible, and IH are Sworn Brothers with Mechanicum.

I'd say IH are better for starting out simply because of the plastic boxes we have now.

>>50109241
>Ferocious Escalade is terrible though.
>If they already cause Fear, the enemy must take their LD test on 2d6, discarding the lowest dice.
So, if you already have Fear it jumps from mostly useless to completely useless?

>>50109746
>If enemies are occupying battlements or defence lines
Super useless.

Also, dropping lowest means Fear is more likely to trigger.

>>50109746
>>50109774

You take Ld on 2d6 already, discarding the lowest makes it so you can't actually fail unless youre Ld 5 or less.

Also the last two command ones are actually bad. Why would I want +1 to the Ld test? That could make me fail. Should be -1.

Also its way too niche to even trigger. Should be flat fear or -2 to Ld or something.

>>50109816
Oh, wait, you're right. I forgot, actually.

>>50109816
>Also the last two command ones are actually bad.
You mean the Morale ones. The last two Command ones are kind of meh and pretty decent respectively.

Question.

Could one replace both the Bolt Pistol and Chainsword on a Praetor for two of the things listed? So for example, two Archaeotech Pistols/Two Power Swords/Two Power Fists, etc. Or can they only take one thing from the list.

I feel like it's the latter, but I want to be 100% sure before I start making lists.

>>50109284
Just like Legion Astartes, they can take brutal lists.

>>50109866
Yeah those ones. Objectively bad.

>>50109964
I haven't heard any official word on it, but I run a Praetor that's traded out both in my list >>50106206 and my group is cool with it.

>>50107324
Yeah, it's less than ideal. My proper list has him traded out for a 10 man Terminator squad with volkite chargers and power fists, and gives me points to spare.

>>50109964
Both. A praetor with a plasma pistol and a chainsword doesn't make sense. I think this is adressed in the FAQ as well, go check it.

>>50110021
I'm sure you'll do well in your game, I'm just saying there's not much to comment on because it seems like the standard BA setup for 2.5k-3k to deliver angron to rapeville, population: him.

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It's only half way through base coats so far, so it's messy. But what do you think of the colour scheme roughly? I'll be doing the gems bright blue and the gloves dark red.

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>>50110655
fucking ipad re-orientating how it likes

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>>50104515
Made some progress on the Cataphractii today and washed and drybrushed 10 Mk II veterans and the thudd gun crew.

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>>50093807
Hey space friends, finished up the highlighting. (I don't know why the combi-plasma's barrel looks weird, I think it's a compression artifact. It's smooth in real life.)

>>50110655
>>50110674
Reminds me of the RT scheme, and it looks delicious.

So where's a good spot to watch for news on dark angels.

>>50110755
Look, KA! This is what your Fists should have looked like! Look upon them and lament your failure!

Also, the shoulders aren't supposed to have a gap between the housing.

I love how all the people smart enough to play 30k and paint well are also smart enough to re-size their images. Hmm wonder if there's some kind of correlation between retarded 40k players with shitty paintjobs and being too stupid and belligerent to know how to do a simple file resize.

Hey guys, I'm wanting do get a quickshade for my Iron warriors and i was wondering if anyone has that photo of the different tones and what they look like?

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>>50110767
I checked my reference image and it looks like it should be a little closer, but not touching. The upper slab of armour overlaps on the chest piece. I'll tuck them in closer on the other 9 Cataphractii. Thanks for the heads up.

I think I understand now.

I was blind to the truth that was in fromt of my face. At first, I was thinking up fluff for a Loyalist Warsmith, and a whole slew of reasons on why he'd be loyal.

Then I thought, 'Why not have him be a follower of the Machine Cult?' And this struck me as a genius idea, an unexpected twist! So I began thinking of why he'd stay loyal instead of going with the Dark Mech. Perhaps he'd seen the corruption of Chaos on mortals, or maybe even Gal Vorbak? Perhaps he'd notice that those who'd became traitors had more and more radicalized automata, some even having dangerous levels of intelligence, maybe. Purity of the holy human form and purity of the machine, as well as the Abominable Intelligence question.

It wasn't until I has looked deeper into the fluff of the AdMech/Mechanicum had I realized the glory of the Omnissiah. The greatness of the Machine God compels me to fight for the quest for Knowledge.

I now know that I am not an Iron Warrior, but a true servant of the Omnissiah. Neither the image of the holy human form, nor that of the machine spirit, must be marred with Chaos' sickening taint.

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>>50111013
That's probably the gayest shit I've read all week, congrats. Holding yourself back from the pursuit of mechanical apotheosis for the sake of some archaic belief in purity? Fag.

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Don't judge me

>>50111013
I like it anon
>Narik Dreygur but less crazy

>>50111013
Traitor proper Iron Warriors also don't give a fuck about chaos and dislike it. Seems a bit of a weak standalone reason to stay loyal. Might as well have stayed loyal because he liked the standard issue tea supplied by Terra.

Fluffems would not be impressed.

>>50111150

Judge you on what? Watching an asinine TV series, looking underage or the fact that Marine looks like he's skipping through the Tulip Fields?

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>>50111150
>telling 4chan not to judge

>>50111013
Lame

Make his motivation more personal

Maybe he watched too many buck rogers holovids as a child and has a need to be the "good guy"

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>>50111131
>He can't even remove his flesh to Feel no Pain.
Hereteks get what they deserve.

Pic related, Skeletons are in control of the Mechanicum now.

>>50111157
>>50111184
No, fleshlings, you do not understand. I have seen purpose in the Quest for Knowledge! I am no longer an Iron Warrior of /hhg/, but a Skeltal Servant of the Omnissiah.

>>50110688
I'm going into town today for more paints, what are you using for the green and the red?

>>50111013
One less Iron Warrior player?

I guess that's a good thing.

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What legion is the most british?

>>50111248

Death Guard were mostly recruited from Albia. So were the Iron Hands and Night Lords.

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r8 my order from our most friendly and excellent chinese acquaintance
incoming deredeo leviathan

>>50111236

Traded for a Mechanicumfag though so it's a wash.

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>>50111013
Hope your enthusiasm carries over to your painting, guy.

>>50111277
Nice. No arms for the dread, though?
>tfw I don't have a chinaman of my own

>>50111283

I bet you are still butthurt about thanatars.

>>50111305
>Nice. No arms for the dread, though?
i'm turning the leviathan chassis into a deredeo proxy so mounting the missiles onto the sides/back along with the autocannons, as i hate the boatnought
it might be tech-heresy, but its gonna be iron hands tech-heresy

>>50111312
>plasma large blast, cover saves at -1 and must be rerolled
>On a t8 model

Who the fuck thought this was a good idea

>>50111341
it's also 250 points, is easily tarpitted and needs a babysitter or it goes full retard and runs after anything nearby

>>50111341
I dunno, but were it any larger, it would be a mini-mini-titan. Like how Knights are mini-titans.

But they are amazing models though.

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>>50111013
>Iron Warrior
>not Iron Warrior
...but whatever you choose, fuck the Word Bearers, right?

>>50111347
a 20 man tac squad is also 250 points and will get absolutely shit-on

>>50111341
The fun really begins when there are also 3 cybernetica magos that can heal up to 6 wounds depending on proximity

>>50111347
You need to reach it to tarpit it however. That's where the hordes of fearless meatbags and the augury scanners and interceptor servitors come in.

>>50111347
>or it goes full retard and runs after anything nearby
>mfw all the armies I play do this in 30k and 40k

W-whatever, I didn't want to retreat anyway, b-baka

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>>50111150
At first I thought you were a crying black guy, which I have no problem with. Then I realized it wasn't your reflection, but a stil of the Vampire Diaries. I have a problem with that, so I do judge (You).
Also, can't barely see shit of your model.
Double judgement. A month in the cubes.

>>50111312

Or maybe Mechanicusfags are just as cancerous and annoying as all the other faggots you make fun of but you fail to see it because you're one of them.

So I'm debating doing either a Traitor legion or starting to model my two Lost Legions(Now that Blackshield rules exist).

I already have ~8k of Raven Guard and 5 Knights.

Main contenders are SoH, AL, Tsons, and EC.

SoH sate my bloodlust.

AL sates my musthavealltheprettymodelsfromeverylegion lust

1ksons sates my not another dark colored army lust.

and EC sate my Slaaneshi noise marine lust.

Tell me what HHG thinks about those legions. Things from fluff you particularly enjoy, cool models you've seen from those legions, etc.

>>50111390
>mechanicusfags
>literally post once in a blue moon

Alright asstartes, get your meme legions into shape and then you can talk.

>>50111388
my models, like my actual face, are pleb tier. both best not seen up close.

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>>50111383
>You're retreating the wrong way!
>>50111398
:(((

>>50111395
If you make the Lost Legions they're no longer lost you dingus.

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>>50111418

>>50111398
>literally post once in a blue moon

Are you retarded? This thread contains dozens of Mechanicus posts.

>>50111398
>SCORIASCORIASCORIASCORIA

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>>50111411
*Removes one judgement*
You robbed me from dubs
*Adds one judgement*
Such is dealing with the Arbites, citizen.

>>50111429
Yeah, each full moon. See ya in another month

>>50111429

There are a total of three images having to do with Mechanicum. There are a few more than that in posting. Vast majority is Astartes.

I'm sorry that it's not actually a blue moon, but the point stands.

What legion do you play?

>>50111232
Green is Citadel's Death World Forest, red is the old Mechrite Red with a thinned Leviathan Purple wash and a highlight of VMC Flat Red.

So I want to make a Word Bearers army, but I want it more fluffy than competitive, so I was thinking of having a cult militia detachment with hoards of zealous levvies.

What models do you think would work (and be affordable) for 50-man levy squads?

>>50111704
>more fluffy than competitive
>hoards of zealous levvies
Out of the entire army list, you've picked the one unit thats actually better than any equivalents in other lists.
As far as models, i use beastman gors with cadian lasrifles for my 40k r&h which would work pretty well, but they're not cheap

>>50111728
Need something more "culty"

I can't believe I stayed up til 3am painting white models grey so I can then make them white again. also I can't believe how good Vampire Diaries is in season 7. really making a comeback.

>>50105339
would look better imo if you twisted the bolter arm down so he is looking above it like he is shielding himself with the bolter and about to stab a sob.

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And so it begins.

>>50106562
"Now go! Let the legend come back to life."

But seriously, that looks really good, anon. Can't wait to see how it looks both primed and painted up.

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How good are Vorax at killing off terminator deathstars? I'm considering getting a praevian+6 Vorax for the jump from 2k to 2.5k. Most people are beginning to get primarchs and putting them with their termies in their preferred delivery method, which is generally bad news for my cover-hugging IH gunline. When looking through counter-assault units, i read about the vorax and loved the idea of bigass freaky predator bug-bots coming to fuck you up. I would prefer not to buy my own primarch, as Ferrus's death is kind of a downer on my desire to use him, and i want to get one of the Legion superheavies eventually instead.

>>50106562
is he supposed to be a thousand son? otherwise you need to cut away the legion symbols on the ends of his scarf.

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Not elaborate enough for my tastes.

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Troop Carrier?

>>50111950
i hope its better than a regular custard holding a sword and board. How will they differentiate them? They've already got a 2+ and a shield. Where are you getting these from?

>>50111967

Can you find a clearer picture please? I cvan't read it.

>>50111967
>Flare shields on everything!
yuck. At least its appropriately costed, unlike the vulturax

>>50111950
Terminator? That's an contemptor dread!

>>50111956
Those are just terrible models.

>>50105190
>someone post the alpha legion recipe? a buddy is looking for an easy way to do it
Variant 1:

Airbrush with thinned Tamiya Gunmetal (thin all Tamiya colours with Tamiya X-20A Thinner)

Airbrush from top of model with thinned Tamiya Flat Aluminum

Mix Tamiya Clear Green with Tamiya Clear Blue in 10/90 mix and airbrush over the model in 2 light, thin coats

Airbrush armour panels with Tamiya Clear Blue. Blend from middle of figure down, so the strongest blue colour is at the bottom of the armour panels

Airbrush from the middle upwards with Tamiya Clear Green, so strongest green colour is at the top of the armour panels

Using an airbrush, blend a highlight on the highest panels (head, shoulder pads, top of backpack) with Tamiya Flat Aluminum with a tiny amount of very thinned down Tamiya Sky Blue

Apply thinned coat of Tamiya Clear Blue over the highlight and blend into the surrounding area

Silver: basecoat with Citadel Leadbelcher, highlight with Vallejo Model Air Steel and wash with Citadel Nuln Oil

Chipping: hit edges with Citadel Leadbelcher in striking motions and highlight with Citadel Ironbreaker

Originally he'd said to use Citadel Leadbelcher and Ironbreaker in a 50/50 mix for step 1, but now he says to do all the airbrushing with Tamiya paints and all the brushwork with the Citadel and Vallejo paints.

>>50105190
Variant 2:

ARMOR
1. AIRBRUSH WITH THINNED LEAD BELCHER/ IRON BREAKER (50/50 MIX)
2. AIRBRUSH FROM TOP OF MODEL WITH THINNED RUNFANG STEEL
3. MIX A LITTLE TAMIYA CLEAR GREEN WITH TAMIYA CLEAR BLUE (25/75 MIX) AND AIRBRUSH OVER THE MODEL IN 2 COATS
4. AIRBRUSH ARMOUR PANELS WITH TAMIYA CLEAR BLUE. BLENDING FROM MIDDLE OF FIGURE DOWN, SO THE STRONGEST BLUE COLOUR IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PANNELS
5. AIRBRUSH FROM THE MIDDLE UPWARDS WITH TAMIYA CLEAR GREEN
6. USING AN AIRBRUSH BLEND A HIGHLIGHT ON THE HIGHEST PANNELS (HEAD, SHOULDER PADS, TOP OF BACKPACK) WITH RUNEFANG STEEL WITH A TINY AMOUNT OF LOTHERN BLUE, EXTREMELY THINNED DOWN.
7. WITH A BRUSH, APPLY SEVERAL THINNED COAT OF TAMIYA CLEAR BLUE OVER THE HIGHLIGHT AND BLEND INTO THE SURROUNDING AREA.
8. USING A BLUE GLAZE OR WASH, DRAG DOWN THE WHOLE MODEL ALLOWING IT TO SETTLE IN THE DEEPEST AREAS.

SILVER
1. BASECOAT WITH LEADBELCHER
2. WASH WITH NULN OIL
3. HIGHLIGHT WITH LEADBELCHER IN STRIKING MOTIONS TO CREATED CHIPPED AND WEATHER APPEARANCE
4. HIGHLIGHT WITH IRONBREAKER

COLORS NEEDED
- LEADBELCHER (GW)
- IRONBREAKER (GW)
- RUNFANG STEEL (GW)
- LOTHERN BLUE (GW)
- GUILLIMAN BLUE (GW)
- NULN OIL (GW)
- CLEAR GREEN (TAMIYA)

>>50111950
If that's one of Leman's wolves' next to it, either Custodes Terminators are enormous, or that's a Custodes Contemptor Dreadnought.

>>50111913
>>50111919
>They don't fit around Russ' base.

>>50112071
look at the knee, its a 'temptor allright

>>50111967
200pts for ID Sicaran with flare shield. Yeah...

>>50112085

The ID is pretty shitty. It seems about right for the cost.

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Those are some nice helmets. I haven't even picked a legion, but I would want to use those helmets. Would be especially good for dark angels though.

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>>50111913
Hey, they actually painted that one. I mean, look at this fucking basecoated brown wolf.

>>50112192
apparently (according to Battle Bunnies anyway) those are IF helmets, nothing new, just a different type of helmet.

>>50112220
Well, don't I look silly.

Still nice though.

>>50112200
Those dogs are bargain bin kids toy tier. Holy shit.

>>50112229
They do look nice (they remark the same thing, noting that their resident Space Wolf should get some for his models).

>>50112200
Good grief, it doesn't even look like it's been washed, it's just a single flat colour.

Was it far away? Like in the background of the scene? I can't think that that's likely considering Leman Freaking Russ is right there.

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For what porpoise.

>>50105362
Painting an Iron Warrior test mini, also undercoated two Custodes.

>>50112273
>Don't talk to me or my soul-shard ever again
FW must be in on the dank memes.

>>50111150
Blood Angels player eh?

Haven't played Heresy before and looking to create a list using my cultists/spawn with a couple knights to pad out the points. Just want to make sure I'm understanding the Knights rules correctly.

> The Household Rank special rule is only in effect when using a force selected from the Questoris Knight Crusade Army Force
Organisation chart as your core detachment or as an Age of Darkness allied detachment only.

So based on this, I believe I can take an AoD primary of Militia and Cults, then have an allied detachment of one HQ Knight and one Troops Knight. Is that correct?

>>50111913
GET FUCKED THOUSAND SONS

>>50112296
Thats correct

>>50112299
mean

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>>50112247
Might as well go for some of these from Mierce (see image).
http://mierce-miniatures.com/index.php?act=pro&pre=mrm_dkl_ang_mrc_bst_500_000
Note, this links to the unit, but the models are available separately, so you could buy just 2 (at £9,49 each) rather than the whole unit.

Another option would be a pair of Maegenwulfs, but there's only 1 model for those.
http://mierce-miniatures.com/index.php?act=pro&pre=mrm_dkl_ang_mrc_mbs_601_000

One thing that does work in their favour, much like Russ' wolves, these are werewolves too, stuck in their wolf form.
As there are no wolves on Fenris.