Horus Heresy General /hhg/

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>>50060739
Well this brings me a little joy to prepare myself for the audition for spring band tomorrow. Don't even know why I don't care for this meme.

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Are there any rules for Aeonid Thiel for the Ultramarines?

>>50060799
Not to my knowledge. You must appease FW in order to get some rules for him and his sidekick next to him. Or ya know, get us to make rules for him.

>>50060799
But his swords are completely clean...?

>My lord Astartes, do you not think your swords might be better suited for slaying your foes? You seem to only administer headbutts to any enemy we encounter.
>I AM AN ANGEL OF DEATH, GUARDSMAN. *wavering in place* DO YOU PRESUME TO KNOW BETTER THAN ME? Birdies...

>>50060840
Well, I think this is from a bit in the audiodrama where he and his friend there have to travel overland across Calth. So, there's no immediate danger (barring the radiation that could give them sixteen types of cancer if there's so much as a pinhole in their gear), but they need to stay alert.

>>50060834
>Or ya know, get us to make rules for him.
Thanks for volunteering, anon, I expect to have your work on my desk by nine tomorrow.

>>50060840
Maybe the power field burns blood away, but it's true. He looks like he headbutts people to death.
>>50060903
They're bad cop and worse cop

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>>50060903
>Thanks for volunteering, anon, I expect to have your work on my desk by nine tomorrow.
First idea: make his preferred enemy legionaries.

>>50060799
How would he differ from a consul champion?

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Mk3 best armour

Ah, I see what you mean, the red stuff on his helmet is paint. Thiel was marked for censure right before the battle of Calth because his CO found out that he'd been running exercises dealing with how to fight other space marines.

Thus, his helmet got painted red (pretty sloppily as well, considering how much has gone over his gorget) and he got sent to the flagship for his sentence.

When Thiel rallied the loyalists aboard the flagship and led the effort to repulse the daemons/word bearers, his red-painted helmet ended up being adopted by other squad leaders as an easy means of identification.

Ten thousand years after Calth, all the sergeants in the Ultramarines have their helmets painted red.

>>50060998
Well, Thiel was a standout leader as well as a supreme swordsman, I feel as though he should get something to represent that as well.

please tell me this mortal chracter in prospero burns isn't a perpetual or im going to stop reading immediately

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So, here's a silly question.
A. Is there a BRB for HH? Or can I just use the 40k rulebook?
B. How often do you guys play a 30k battle?
C. I might be interested in playing Thousand Sons. Would I have to get the older books for troops/elite information?
D. With Burning of Prospero coming out. How many of you guys are going to get it JUST for the game rather than buying it for the models?

Stupid question

When applying a glaze (I'm going to attempt the layered blue/green glaze scheme for some AL), do you thin it? What technique do you use to apply it, are you being aggressive and coating the model like with wash?

>>50061060
that's MkII though

>>50061060
That image is why I bought Auto cannons. Other then terminators all my infantry are MkIII

In other news should my terminators be in a transport? Or could they foot slog away?

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>>50061115
FOOTSLOG
EVERYTHING

>>50061094
He's not, you're safe.

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How are mechanicum? I love their models and would appreciate a few pointers on them

>>50061147
They make legionaries cry for their Primarchs.

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>>50061060
MkIII best armour

>>50061084
>Well, Thiel was a standout leader as well as a supreme swordsman
every ultramarine leader is a supreme leader

>>50061084
>pretty sloppily as well, considering how much has gone over his gorget
That's the issue here. I thought they took his helmet, applied helmet and returned it to him, not "hey, dip your face in this paint bucket"
>>50060995
He has PE(Legiones Astartes). Also, didn't he arm a squad with Guilliman's relics or something?

>>50061095
>A. Is there a BRB for HH? Or can I just use the 40k rulebook?
All the main rules come from the 40k BRB - HH is officially the "Battles in the Age of Darkness" expansion/supplement for Warhammer 40k, and not a separate game system. It does have its own Force Org system (no formations, rigid ally/detachment rules) and its own mission tables (which are honestly a lot better than the 40k missions), but those are all available in the core 30k army list books.

The main book you need for 30k is the redbook for your army - either the Legion Astartes Crusade Army List, the Mechanicum Taghmata Army List, or the Crusade Imperialis Army Lists (Solar Auxilia and Milita/Cults). If you go with Legion Astartes you'll also want to pick up the Age of Darkness Legions book which has all the specific, unique rules for each of the current legions. Exceptions exist - Blood Angels, White Scars and Dark Angels are not in the consolidated legion rules book and can only be found in HH6: Retribution for now (they also have no unique units or characters yet, just legion rules and unique Rites of War); Thousand Sons and Space Wolves have no specific rules yet and can only field generic marine armies until HH7: Inferno comes out.

>C. I might be interested in playing Thousand Sons. Would I have to get the older books for troops/elite information?
There's campaign rules and different mission tables, but that's about it. All you'll really need for Thousand Sons is the main Legion Astartes Crusade Army List book and HH7 (since their rules aren't in the AoD Legions book there's no need to get it).

>D. With Burning of Prospero coming out. How many of you guys are going to get it JUST for the game rather than buying it for the models?
I don't think anyone is doing that. There's a ton of people that have been waiting for plastic MkIII armor to come out and that's the main attraction with BoP. The game is pretty neat, but it's really all about the models.

>>50061211
>Also, didn't he arm a squad with Guilliman's relics or something?
Yeeup, all that he could find. For the battle above Calth, he used an "Electro-magnetic longsword" in one hand, and a mono-edge axe in the other.

He lost the axe but held onto the sword during the underworld war, replaced it with a regular gladius.

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>>50061095
Never go Full Auric

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To the Iron Hands anon:
>>50057715
There's also this in book IV.

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>>50060728

NEW EDITION. EVERYONE GRAB YOUR
>Bill-guisarme fauchard glaive voulge bec-de-bardiche
AND HOLD ON TIGHT!

>>50061240
Thanks. They seem to stress that Iron Hands like to customize their armor and hybridize between different marks a lot more than other legions since they've got way more techmarines (and tend to have way more custom cybernetics that need their own armor systems).

>>50061223
Well I guess he can give PE(Infantry) to a squad. Kinda like how Ebin Mor rolls.
>>50061241
Still better than Custodian Halberds

>>50061182
I really don't get what the chainsaw thing on his back is

>>50061265
It's a chain-driven air pump backpack. The SA armor has a lot of steampunk influence and a very retro-future feel as well.

>>50061060
4 > 3 > 2 > 6 > 7 > 1 > 8 > 5

>>50061265
>>50061280
No, it's some tank threads. It's what gives him Move Through Cover.

>>50061280
>have an air pump
>Make it exposed chain driven

o imperium

So has anyone picked up Children of Sicarus, and if so, what happens and is it any good?

What are the fluffiest non jump pack units for blood angels?

>>50061311
Tictac marines?

>>50061311
tactical squad

Rolled 1, 4, 3, 6, 6 = 20 (5d6)

>>50060799
>Are there any rules for Aeonid Thiel for the Ultramarines?

No, lets roll! This shall be his wargear!

Legion Praetor [Artificer Armour, Digital Lasers, Paragon Blade, Paragon Blade, Refractor Field]

>>50061305
I want Cato Sicarius to drive a Sicaran tank on Sicarus alongside Sicarian dragoons.
And then they find assassins wielding daggers, which is what Sicarius means

Rolled 2 (1d6)

>>50061345
Missed one dice roll

>>50061311
Fire raptors, assault cannon terminators, and drop pod tacticals.

>>50061311
Seekers
>>50061345
>>50061369
What are you rolling on?

>>50061311
Baal-style Assault Cannon preds, tactical marines with pistol and chainsword

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>>50061147

The Mechanicum are the most baller and dopest pimps on the block. They are the rich kids with all the toys and the money to buy all the cyberware they want to mind control as many expendable machine men they can hold in their pockets.

Towering robots spew marine killing bolts and howling darkfire to sunder tanks. They resist bolter fire and everything fire because my god they are durable. 3+ saves basically everywhere and except for adsecularis (shitty robo-guardsmen) the lowest toughness on any model is 4 and it just goes through the roof from there, with 5/6/7 being commonplace. Feel no pain abounds.

General tips? You got'em.

There are three flavours of the Cult. Tahgmata Omnissiah, Legio Cybernetica, and the Ordo Reductor. Basicly the diverse list of lots of crap, the robot MC fetishists, and the guys who saw the iron warriors mastery of siege craft and called them fucking nerds before doing it way better and much more sciency. Each one has it's own strengths and weaknesses and a couple of unique units the other Mechanicum Lists don't, but they excell at all battlefield roles.

For a stock tahgmata list, you're gonna wanna first decide on what kind of PHD your Archmagos Prime is going to use. From there, see what you can do to support him. For units you have no restrictions on what you can and cannot take. Do you want an army of tanks with IWND filled with giant cyborgs and shitty robo guardsmen? You can do it. Robots and legion flyers? All yours. Craft a list that 'your forgeworld' would deploy. My forge personally does a lot of totally not heretical machine intelligence experiments, fortuantely they're loyal, but man they love the cybernetica.

Speaking of the cybernetica. Don't go overboard with the fucking dope looking castellax robots. Or arlatax. Or whatever robots. Remember that robots cannot score, only deny. So be sure to bring some thallax and adsecularis to hold objectives and stuff.

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Reminder that Word Bearers won at Calth

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>>50061383
This

>>50061345
Alright, the result is this

Aeonid Thiel
WS:7|BS:5|S:4|T:4|W:3|I:5|A:4|LD:10|Save:2+/5++

Hungry for Victory: Character and his unit roll 2d6'' when consolidating after an assault

Warlord Trait
Coordinated Assault: Warlord and all units within 12'' of him reroll assault to hit of 1.

>>50061425
I'm clenching my asshole after the thought of placing him in a Suzerain squad, and I'm not even traitor.

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>>50061147
>>50061403

Continuing with Cybernetica.

You also have to take tax units of robots in your heavy and fast slots before you can start loading them with other crap, so pick robots you like and go nuts. I personally adore arlatax (melee robots) in the FA alot and a Thanatar siege automata in the heavy slot, then I put Krios and whatnot there. Gonna get me some of those sweet sweet Vultrax drones so I can obama people to death remotely. It's gonna be awesome. The Cybernetica also has a unit called an Archmagos Dominus, you can take him instead of a magos prime, but you have to take a dominus of some kind, archmagos or otherwise, in this army list.

As for tanks. Reductor. These are your big guns and vehicle guys. Artillary! Go nuts! Think the IG got sweet artillary? Those niggas ain't seen shit. All your dudes and vehicle, and robots are all immune to difficult and dangerous terrain and suffer no penalties, EVER. Whole map is open ground. You can't take as many robots with this list though but who fucking cares, shoot the crap out of things and squeeze in robots where you can. Also scoring and OBSEC tanks. Take advantage of those. Fast scoring Krios venators? Yes please.

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>don't talk to me or my son of Dorn ever again

What are you guys working on tonight. I was trying to wash all the rivets on my knight before the new Flash episode airs. Also really want to get in a game this week.

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>>50061460
Ordo Reductor: Artillary Clinton
Legio Cybernetica: Vorax Obama
Thagmata: Myrmidonald Trump

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>>50061514

How dare you compare the bringers of blessed ruin to a warp daemon.

What kind of modelling choices do you guys think work for Praevians? I love Vorax enough that I'm thinking of writing some into an AL list under a Praevian. But I really like amping up the specialist-officer vibe of Consuls, so I'm thinking of what I would do.

What kind of tools and implements can I stick on the end of some Doc Oc style Mechadendrites to represent a Cortex-Controller?

>>50061575
See how angry you are? That's how angry I get when people write Mortarian or Peterabo. Then don't fucking write "artillary". The characters aren't even that close.

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>>50061418
>total ambush
>have every tactical advantage
>plan to wipe out entire ultramarines legion
>lose
>"haha just as planed"
(you)

I'VE JUST HAD A FLUFF EPIPHANY FOR MY WARSMITH AND GRAND COMPANY!

But first, a question. Would Warsmiths be trained under the Martian Priesthood? If not, could Techmarines become Praetors?

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>>50061625
Not a WB, but didn't the Chaos gods themselves forbid Lorgar from killing Guilliman?
>>50061659
IWs have lots of higher education, m8. The ones in command had PhD equivalents.

>>50061513
Finally getting back to my SoH cataphractii I've been putting off. Got some volkite chargers soaking and my BoP arrived so I can start my mkiii support squad soon

Okay so we all know there's a bunch of people who are our guys and who did nothing wrong such as Ahriman and Argel Tal, but who are the people who did absofuckinglutely EVERYTHING wrong? And who was the one who did the most wrong?

Was it Erebus? Lorgar? Magnus? Russ?

Was it the Emperor?

>>50061095
>D
think of it this way. the likelihood of my finding someone who actually wants to play the boardgame is almost 0. Whereas there are at least 10 40k players that go to my local FLGS, and I can proxy my 1k sons as a joe shmo SM army

>>50061764
This is what kills /hhg/. All of the "X did everything/nothing wrong"-
>Erebus
Oh yeah. Totally him. Anyone who says otherwise deserves to be beaten to death.

>>50061764
Emporer was just a bad dad, problem being he was a bad dad to demigods
Erebus, Kor Phaeron, Typhus are 100% worse than hitler
Lorgar, and Horus were huge power hungry cunts
Magnus just wanted to save his legion, just like Mortarion
even though I hate space wolves, Russ didn't do anything wrong other than being a bit of a dick.

>>50061159
>>50061403
>>50061460
Thanks for the tips! I love robots and am glad their good. How are ursarax? I really like their model but just wondering how they fare in games. Is scoria as good as the memes make him out as?

>>50061676
Perfect.

The Lysattra sound like wonderful fellows, by the way.

Fluff-wise, how does having a Warsmith whose loyalties lie with the Martian Priesthood, rather than the Warmaster or the Emperor? One who reveres the Omnissiah and goes with the priestly ways of the Machine Cult of the Mechanicum? I just thought of it, and the idea sounds awesome to me. Mind helping me flesh it out further?

>>50061418
THE MARK IS STILL RUNNING HERETIC

>>50061829
Scoria should be a LoW.

This should tell you how good he is.

Ursarax seem pretty good to me. They have two lightning claws base and a unique Volkite Iron Man chest laser, and their Power Fists strike at S10.

I actually can't see a reason not to take power fists on them, seeing as they're S5 models, and it's 10ppm per pair of fists. Unless you're strapped for points, of course.

Ursarax aren't actually robots. Think of the Skitarii, but taken to the extreme, and always in pain except when they've destroyed their Magi's target.

Sort of like Cyborg World Eater Skeletons.

>>50061839
A way to expand on him being loyal to the Martian Priesthood could be that he was a Techmarine or Forge Lord who got really into the whole 'Ave Omnissiah' stuff into his training, perhaps moreso than usual, then came into power of his Grand Battalion?

I don't really know much about Techmarines/Forge Lords, actually.

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>>50061839
My head kind of hurts but let's give it a try.
There are a few orders of the Mechanicum where the glorious and terrible visage of the Omnissiah begins to manifest, such as the Colegia Titanica and the Centuria Ordinatus, but one which we should never take for granted are the flying behemoth-catedrals that are Imperial Warships, the works of the Basilikon Astra.
Much like the red planet (but not as glorious of course), Olympia is surrounded by a manufacturing orbital ring.
And while much of it is Perturabo's own genious combined with reclaimed technology and Mechanicum craft, the Olympian ring is the sum of the works and lives of hundreds of men of the Imperium.

But the Primarch is seldom in Olympia, pursuing the Emperor's Great Crusade, and your Warsmith, the Lord Archmariner, carries Perturabo's authority and command as the Ringmaster regarding all matters of the mighty Fleet of the IVth, and he is as elevated from other men as is the Vox Omnis, delegate of the Fabricator General himself, sent to co-administer the Olympian Ring.

>>50061659
You should read Cybernetica. It features techmarines from all legions, Raven Guard and Iron Warriors especially.

>>50062095
Yes, this. It covers techmarine training during 30k.
Funnily enough, they were even more isolated and distrusted among their 30k legions than they are in their 40k chapters.

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>>50062115
Isolated? Why? They are engineers, not witches or anything like it.
I gotta read Cybernetica, then.

>>50062060
Yeah, that makes sense.

>>50062064
Whoa, mate, that's some pretty crazy stuff there! Nice. Unfortunately I'm pretty tired and have a headache as well, and therefore half the stuff you said isn't registering.

>>50062095
>>50062115
Do you have a pdf? I'd be oh so very happy to read it then if anyone did!

>>50062137
I think it's because in 30k they were even more secular than in 40k, where there are even some chapters that openly worship the Emperor, and a chapter that worships the Omnissiah.

>>50062164
I know, but I don't want to reeeeest.
I want to post dank memes, writefag and drawfag
But I'm tireeeeeed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GW6sLrK40k

>>50061676
>Not a WB, but didn't the Chaos gods themselves forbid Lorgar from killing Guilliman?
his options were

>kill guilliman: lose
>don't kill guilliman: lose but have an excuse for losing

>>50062137
Techmarine training in 30k is approximately 50 years. That's a quarter of the entire Great Crusade. During which, the legions were changing so rapidly with each campaign, with new commanders, new companies, new doctrines, new equipment. Not to mention every legion could have hundreds of techmarines, who tended to form their own cabals of organized support. Compared to 40k where individual techmarines are decently integrated into each company's campaigns.

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>>50060728
I was thinking about picking up burning of prospero but fuck thousand sons.

Will it be easy enough to just make all the models wolf wolves? Im fairly new to warhammer and have no experience with conversions.

As someone who's not interested in collecting tons of MK III but still wants Goldenboys and Sisters, how awful are the ebay prices for Custodian and SoS models at the moment?

Would it be better to wait?

>>50062164
http://pastebin.com/k9uvqsub
First link
Warhammer 40.000 ->Background->Horus Heresy->Novellas

Enjoy.

>>50062201
>Techmarine training in 30k is approximately 50 years. That's a quarter of the entire Great Crusade. During which, the legions were changing so rapidly with each campaign, with new commanders, new companies, new doctrines, new equipment
This is a good point. The Legions changed a lot, especially after the arrival of their Primarchs and the whole Heresy thing
>Not to mention every legion could have hundreds of techmarines, who tended to form their own cabals of organized support
Hmm you're right. A group of 15 people doesn't really behave the same as a group of a few hundreds.

>>50062237

The models have no iconography. You can make them the fucking 11th legion 'Pony Marines of Equestria' if you're that kind of individual.

>>50062259
Sweet man! Should I pick up betrayal as well? Is it a good (for GW) value model wise to just make a space corgi 30k army with those two sets?

>>50062237

All the Mk III guys and Terminators are generic, they don't have any Legion markings IIRC, so you can paint/customize them however you wish and put SW symbols via transfers or sculpted shoulder pads.

The only definitive Thousand Sons model is Ahriman.

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>>50062284

Depends on whether you want to mix armour marks or not. Usually a force would stick to one armour mark to ease logistics/repairs/resupplying efforts, but you can do what you want. Wolves do seem to prefer tougher armour like MK III though.

>>50061676
>Not a WB, but didn't the Chaos gods themselves forbid Lorgar from killing Guilliman?
i think so but for all the shit talking and literally saying "im going to kill you guilliman" you'd think he would get it done

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>>50062259
of where, anon?

>>50062064
I forgot to mention that I had a couple ideas for why he'd more loyalty to the Martian Priesthood, one such being that he could have been a Terran vet from before Pert was reunited with his legion, or perhaps a bitter sort of fellow who thinks along that the only ones who could be trusted were fellow initiates of the machine cult, the blessed machines themselves, and the Omnissiah.

"I have spent more time among the howling engines of destruction rather than my own legion. I have seen titans fell foul xenos constructs, seen engines of war lay waste to my enemies. Why now, should I take a side? My loyalties lie with those whom would welcome me into their sacred forges. Could the same be said of the regulars of the Legiones Astartes? Perhaps many in the IV and X would understand my plight, but even then, a good deal would not. What then of the other legions? To choose between their Emperor, or the plight of the Warmaster? No. I must choose between the Emperor, the Warmaster, and my Omnissiah. But as this civil war of Horus' begins, I know that neutrality cannot be avoided."

How's that?

>>50062254
>tfw mobilefagging
You wouldn't mind helping an anon out here, would you, brother?

>>50062340

I've seen someone working on a 'My Little Pony' Lost Legion force. In Resin for that matter (this was before BaC).

The joke was that we knew exactly why the Emperor sicced the Wolves on them.

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>>50062405
>my little pony legion

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>>50062329
>Disregard this, Guilliman. There's no use in killing you, since you are more useful alive and fearfull, drawing resources to your petty kingdom and bleeding our Father's Imperium of much needed aid.
>Wait, what?
>What's up with Guilliman's face? I wonder if I said that with my inner or my regular voice...

>>50061114
Further proof that MkII is truly the best armor.

>>50062259
>You can make them the fucking 11th legion 'Pony Marines of Equestria'
That's the II Legion not the 11th (XI) Legion, you nitwit.

Fucking Plasticbabies can't even into the basics of fluff.

>>50062496

The guy I knew in our FLGS made them the 11th. Blame him, not me.

>>50062378
Apolakron robowing, Kheledakos shipwrighs, Stor-Bezashk Ordnance masters, there are many instances where Your Dude could commune with the machine and witness the power of technology.
He doesn't need to bow to the Omnissiah as a deity to care about the Mechanicum, seeing technology is what will save mankind from the horrors of the Old Night, predations of xenos and now the hungry maw of chaos (assuming he's loyalist, of course), but you must remember that even with all its logic, schism visited the Mechanicum as well.
He isn't choosing which warlord to follow, he is deciding what to do for the better of mankind.

>>50061345
>>50061369
Hold on, what are the rolls for on these pages? Why six d6?

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>>50062405
Well, at least he's self aware.

>>50061513
This horrid fucking thing. If anyone has any tips on doing huge white vehicle panels, let me know. I'm mostly using the Spartan as practice for my Sicaran.

>>50061060
Is that a combi-autocannon?

>>50062611
No. The top part is mostly for handling and targeting.

>>50062584
I use those pages to create a character, you're supposed to make those rolls as you gain rewards in your campaign. The 6d6 are

2d6 to see what attributes get buffed
Then you pick an advances table and roll another d6
Then pick a Warlord trait table from the BRB, roll 3d6 and reroll doubles, then pick a warlord trait from any of the rolls you got.

Now your OC has an ability, a predetermined trait and his statline has one buff over generic units.

>>50062533
True enough!

I could probably make a Strike force consisting of him as the Hero, a Forge lord or Techmarine as a Leader, and Thallax and Castellax/Vorax as the 'troops' for some cool fluffiness.

Actually, I need to check the Strike Forces rules to see if Automata are allowed in Strike Forces.

>>50062611
Nah, the top part's a laser-targeter looking thing, iirc.

>>50062658
Praevians are also a thing, but whatever you choose is fine, m8.

>>50062600
layer it with ulthuan grey, then highlight with white scar, nuln oil or earthshade in recesses, take some foam from either an army case or a blister pack, and do some flecks of either dark metal or dark brown for weatherinbg

>>50062533
>>50062658
Adding onto this, I forgot to mention that the idea of a marine worshipping a higher power, outside the Word Bearers, that is, in the 31st millenium where such things are barely tolerated at best, unlike the 41st millenium where it's rather common (34,000/1,000,000) just sounds quite nice to me.

>>50062682
I actually forgot about Praevians, thanks mate!

>>50062690
Good to know I'm on the right track. I've had success with my Dreadnought drybrushing and feathering the hull with Ulthuan and Scar highlight, so that's the plan with the tank.

Doing the blue stripe should be a good time.

Rolled 6, 4, 3, 4, 3, 2 = 22 (6d6)

>>50062641
Ahhh cool cool

Alrighty, my Sneakybeakie Delegatus comin' on up.

>>50062600
Airbrushing? Are you going for a glossy Stormtrooper white or a matt bone/ceramite white?

>>50062715
>drybrushing and feathering the hull with Ulthuan and Scar highlight
for gods sake man, layer and blend, dont drybrush
the stripe shouldnt be difficult, pick up some tamiya painters tape

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>>50062742
Matte, weathered bone white. I find myself looking at this pic for inspiration, and roughly know how I want to end up there.

>>50062789
Nah man, drybrushing like in the middle of this vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZVgh16W2Ws

Most of it is still good ol' fashioned layering.

>>50062736
S|5 Ld|10 Delegatus

Coordinated Reserves

WLT: Master Tactician

Artificer Armor, Master Crafted Thunderhammer, Camo, Combi-Plasma, Refractor Field.

Dudes ripped, sneaky, cheeky, and charismatic. Damn. Probably dies before the heresy ends too.

>>50061425
>>50062641
How exactly does that work?

>2d6 for attributes
I'm confused. Wouldn't it be 8d6 if you factor in the rerolls for the exact attribute?

>>50063028
>>2d6 for attributes
>I'm confused.

There are 3 rows, one vertical and one horizontal, 1d6 to see which vertical row you pick then another d6 to see the result on that row. For example 3 and 4 would result in first row and the second result of that which is +1BS.

Rolled 6, 3, 3, 5, 4, 4 = 25 (6d6)

>>50063073
Oh, I see! Guess I'll roll on top of a Praetor, because why not?

Rolled 5 (1d6)

>>50063096
Rerolling the 4

Rolled 1 (1d6)

>>50063157
Now I must reroll the 5

>>50061305
They are on the planet sicarius
There's some bitch in charge of these Karic acolytes who runs the planet except for a bunch of rebels who have a prophecy of a hero from the stars
She kills a lot of Kock Phaerons lot via daemons
Also there's mention of beastmen
The rebels rescue them and lead them to a place hidden by sorcery
Blah blah Kor realises he is chaos bitch and his destiny is to build a sanctuary for the legion because they will lose
Blah blah I'm in charge of my destiny ends up removing the screen rebels killed but he then decides to conquer the place anyway
Kor hates being old and the possibility of death

>>50063096
>>50063157
>>50063183
+1 Toughness
Coordinated Reserves
Feel No Pain

Cool! This could be an augmented Iron Hand or Iron Warrior who prefers to lead with a drop pod assault, perhaps? Or maybe a lot of deep strikers?

anybody playing a game this week? this general needs more batreps.

>>50063365
No.

I've never played.

>>50063383
do you have an army, do you build/paint/or just fluff. I feel like not many people actually play this game here...

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Anybody here seen/made cool objective markers for 30k? Legion specific or just generally cool.

>>50063410
I have some IG and am thinking of either starting up Mechanicum or Iron Warriors. I rarely post writefaggotry and try to help out, as well as build lists.

No gaming community here, and the closest GW is 90 miles away.

>>50063410
I play a game or two every week, but we have a large group around here, tournaments etc.

>>50063365
I'm taking 2000pts of Iron Warriors against Iron Hands tomorrow. I'll do a batrep around this time tomorrow if I'm not too tired (its 1:30am here).

>>50063438
with the new boxset I think it's a great time to jump in with Iron Warriors. MK3 would look pretty sweet.

>>50063442
I'm looking forward to it. at least take some pictures!

So I'm making a campaign for my group. I'm using book 4 and the old warzone traits from the 6eBRB.

Anyone got any ideas for additional Strategic or Warzone Traits?

>>50063488
True, but I'm an autist who thinks that MkIII should only be for Breachers, units with Hardened armor, and Artificer armor, as well feeling as if I have to paint and assemble everything in the box.

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>>50063365
I'm playing a game on Sunday; World Eaters vs. World Eaters. I'll let you guys know how it pans out.

Fucker doesn't pay for his chainaxes.

>>50063570
I only gave half my inductii chainaxes on the model but you better fucking believe I paid points for them.

>>50063583
So half your inductii get chainaxes then!

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>>50063421
Been thinking of using Warmachine Wracks for my SW as heretics strung up as an example to others who might defy the Emperor. Replace the weights with something more Imperial (aquilas?) and maybe put sights reading various statements about their crimes against the Imperium.

>>50063583
Do... do you run your inductii with Bolters?

What I mean to say is that the guy I'm playing with sticks chainaxes on top of the tactical marine's standard loadout. Bolters, bolt pistols, and chainaxes all, at no extra points charge.

>>50063598
I feel like that'd be far more appropriate for 40k SoB than 30k wolves.

>>50063607
Mate, that guy MUST pay for the Chainswords and then can swap them out for Chainaxes for free. Confirmed by FW, and is how they do all their weapon swap stuff like the DG power scythes.

>>50063641
Oh, I know, and I'm going to address that shit. I really don't know why anyone else in the local scene has called him out on it, but the general consensus on the guy seems to be that he's a bit of a cunt.

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>>50063607
Nah they're literally de-chaosified berserkers that I'll be running as inductii so just bolter + chainaxes. I didn't realize how much people were sticklers for it being modeled on the characters so I might have to order 20 goddamn axes for my sniper vets (because they have a bolter, bolt pistol, and chainaxe standard, or at least that's how I interpreted it)

>>50061110
Just watch out for it pooling like a wash. Thin coats. 2 or 3 should be enough. You'll see.

>>50063694
addendum: I meant bolt pistols not bolters, I made them with mk4 too, and yes I can see that fucking moldline now that it's on my giant monitor lets not derail the thread.

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>>50063694
It's a pain in the ass, KA. Believe me, I know. But hey, that's the price we pay for getting that sweet, sweet +1S.

Buy these, they're helpful, easy to work with, and not ludicrously expensive.

>>50063694
Mate, it being modeled on is literally in their rules. They MUST be modeled on.

Also:
>Moldlines
>Undrilled barrels
Shame.

>>50063598
>aquila
>30k
fucking idiot
>yes i'm autistic

>>50063759
Mate, you're the idiot here. The Imperial Aquila isnperfectly fine for everyone. The Palatine Eagle is EC only.

>>50063728
I will speak for his defense, I generally think drilled barrels look like shit.

>>50063718
just put two sets in my cart on the FW site so I don't forget next time I order something, probably just gonna glue them on holstered in case I end up playing somebody with unprecedented levels of RAWtism >>50063728 (but you're right I'll get on the lines and barrels)

So concerning Templar Brethren, would any IF players with experience using them recommend combat shields or not ? Asking as a fellow loyal IF player of course I am Alpharius

>>50063365
The last game I played wouldn't be such an interesting story to tell. My Alpha Legion faced jump-packing World Eaters, shot the shit out of 2/3 of them first turn and spend the rest of the game dealing with the stragglers trying to accomplish something.

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>>50061513
Tryin to finish my first Custode.

Full gloves is Best Custode.

For those of you who have BoP, how large is the box? Same size as BaC?

>>50063840
30 x 44 cm

No idea what the siz of the B@C box was

>>50063840
Exact same size.
Got 2 BoP and 3 BaC stacked right next to me.

>>50063855
Any chance I can get a height on that too?

Might need to rearrange a bunch of stuff on my shelves.

>>50063896
Rechecked, and actually the BoP is just a tad bit taller than BaC
BoP: 17.25 x 11.75 x 2.75
BaC: 17.25 x 11.75 x 2.5

>>50062428
I want to paint my mastodon so bad but FW is lagging on sending me replacement parts since they cant mix resin worth a shit apparently

>>50063979
Why not paint the bits that don't need said parts?

Or are the parts integral to it or something?

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>>50064012
both of the long side pieces

ive put everything else together, but I cant actually assemble the whole body until i have those pieces

>>50064049
What legion?

And good lord, if I ever get skme enormous, retarded FW super-heavy, it'd be the mastodon. That thing is beast.

>>50064049
>My sides !

sorry I had to

just ordered 20 FW chain axes so that when I start doing batreps with my World Eaters it won't get derailed into WYSIWYG autism if I post pics here, I'm only doing this for the welfare and posterity of this general.

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Hope this one doesn't come out sideways.

Just need to base him and tidy up some parts.

>>50064417
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment

>>50064383
Do it for the welfare and posterity of your own army, KA. Search your feelings: would you be able to sleep soundly at night knowing you were claiming the bonuses from chainaxes without having them modelled, despite FW specifically telling you that it's the sole requirement? I know I wouldn't.

>>50064438
malicious business practices from GW are what brought me to 30k in the first place, i.e. "1 Dunecrawler gets a 6+ invulnerable, 2 Dunecrawlers get a 5+ invulnerable, but just wait! if you buy fucking three of these crabs you get a 4+ INVULNERABLE!" that's the kinda shit that made me jump over to 30k as soon as the Calth sprues were leaked.

I agree with you, it definitely says that they need to be modeled to get the bonus, and YES it's fluffy, but it also seems like GW business fuckery that I hated about 40k, so I wasn't gonna be too bothered that I modeled my berserkers with the axes/chainswords from the kit.

obviously in the end they won because they now have $31.50 more of my money.

>>50064474
I don't think it's too much to ask that if you want to use and benefit from chainaxes, you should model your dudes with chainaxes. It's a hobby, mane.

Thank fucking christ Forge World hasn't started newing us over with formations though. I agree, those are awful and bald ways to sell shit.

>>50061115
>>50061115
>>50061115
As with everything IT DEPENDS ON YOUR LIST, but IMO
>Cataphracti
give them chainfists and heavy flamer, deepstrike, kill that tank, now you just tie up people in CC
>Tartaros
One lightning claw and volkite charger, statistically better than 2 lightning claws, include some combi meltas or chainfists so dreadnoughts can't tie you up. I also normally run them with a chaplain, as he adds fear and can also be given weapons to counter other threats
>indomitus
You're more likely to win by inserting the 'pear of anguish', than playing with these guys
>saturnine
How did you time travel?

>>50064383
Thank you KA, Praise be to your name Holy as the Son is to The Father Alacran

>>50064627
peace be upon you, and let us give thanks to Bread Anon who gives us this day our daily bread.

>>50064682
>>50064627
Whats scanon in this trinity?

Breadanon the father, the creator.
Knightanon the son. The child, who painted iron warriors for our sins.
Scanon the holy ghost, the spirit that suffuses us and allows us communion with the rulebooks.

>>50064702
Scanon, Holy as he is, is not a member of the Trinity, for so Holy a being could not do such things, so he is (the Angel of death) I think that's Azrael but IDKT

>>50064702
My biblical history is a bit rusty but whoever made the bible widely available to all the masses so even the peasants could read the Good Word.

>Scanon is King James

>>50064544
VS MEQ and including deflagrate I get 0.36W per charger or 0.37W for the 2nd lightning claw. Also it reduce your chances to fail your charge.

>>50062326
>Usually a force would stick to one armour mark to ease logistics/repairs/resupplying efforts
Except for specialized roles such as using MkIII for breaching and zone mortalis.
Or Terran veterans using their old and trusted MkII out of tradition.
Or when you get reinforcements and the Warmaster limits the amount of MkIV your Legion gets to a couple of squads.
Or when you have an experimental squad of MkVI tagging along to gauge its effectiveness.
Or when it's mid-heresy, resupplying is difficult and MkV is the best you can get but you still want as many of your remaining troops to use what they have.

>>50063773
What looks even worse is having a FW weapon kit where the barrels are pre-drilled alongside BaC/BoP shit where the barrels aren't.

>>50064728
Or maybe he's Luther, because he let the many read the Hallowed Books and not just those who could afford it

>>50064837
>propagated the cult of SCANS???

What if Moritats got access to Archeotech and lucifex pistols?

I know I would consider taking them at that point.

>>50064850
Nex with 2 archeotech when?

>>50064868
I wish. He's the only good moritat in the game. He's good because of his not!infiltrate allowing him to charge turn one with a meltabomb and that he doesn't have the Lone Killer rule so you can twin link him and benefit from Decap Strike. Even then he's limited to 12 hits though. So *shrug*.

I really wish they would drop the super overheat rule, or add more pistols types. SOMETHING to make generic Moritats not garbage.

I need to make a 'cut paste' picture for him like that levy and world eater pic

>>50064847
>>50064847
Once a loyal member of his store, he was rebuked for sharing what the elite had with the many. At the Diet of Chainaxes his BlueShirt, once unfailing in his praises, denounced Scanon with all his will, his books with their broken spines, were thrown on the fire of Discontent

>>50064901
Al is that you, go to bed hombre.

>>50063410
Silly anon, players are a small minority here. A bigger number of players just paint and an even greater number doesn't do shit and just shitposts. Hence the shitty quality of this general.

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>>50064888

>>50063410
I'll play once I've Built, Painted, and Fluffed enough to play with.

>>50064847

A person would only ever do something so drastic if he got so sick and tired of waiting for scans that he'd make them himself and save everyone the trouble.

Or because scans are far, far better than crappy camera pictures.

>>50064935
Nope, discord admin

>>50064990
hey, some of us are -going- to play...when we get around to building our BoP/BaC boxes.

>>50061095
>what_comes_out_when_the_emperor orgasms.jpg

>>50061210
What about Ventris, he lead the deathwatch Band instead of his company, the guy from SpaceMarine also jumped headfirst into ork fire instead of commanding his battlebarge

>>50065187
ventris is a graham mcneill character

the guy from space marine is a video game protagonist

>>50061241
Am I the only one that sees just a regular electric guitar

I'm building a SoH army. I want Thallax so I want a forge lord with a cortex controller. What I want to know is whether I should put him in my Land Raider Achilles with geared servo-automata OR give him a jum pack so he can deep strike with the Thallax.

Any tips? Have I missed a cheaper way in getting a cortex controller so I can field Thallax?

>>50063759
No, anon, you're a fucking le ebbin may-may idiot.

>>50063609
Well, I can't just have a mountain of skulls and heads, that'd be stepping on WE territory.

How do you suggest one makes objective markers for the Emperor's Executioners?

>>50061311
Drop pod tacticals with chain swords.
what's the most Ass Cannons you can take in a 2000 point list
It will be really interesting if when hh8 comes out, if BA will still be able to take 4 per predator

>>50061659
>>50061659
Did IW even have Praetors or were they all WarSmiths, I know we have the organisation of a standard legion, but do we have organisations of particular legions in FW books
But yeah Techmarines would be loved as thy could operate TrenchMakers and Artillery best

>>50061676
Not the gods but a chaos worshippers said
'Kill guilliman and get vengeance but give the Emperor rescources to win' or 'let guilliman live, make him form imperium secundus, and stop him getting to the siege and make him waste precious materials

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Link to The Either audiodrama anyone?

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>>50063607
>>50063689

The wording on the Chainaxes is murky, so it's easy to see why people say it's free, but they did a much clearer version for DA which I use, Also free chainaxes are a way to buff a slightly shit melee legion

>>50065794
The Dark Angels bit actually clears it up. "Access to" is a distinctly different thing than "Equipped with".

World Eaters just need access to CCWs to get free chainaxes, they don't have to be equipped with them already.

>>50065682
http://www.blacklibrary.com/horus-heresy/hh-audio/hh-the-either-mp3.html

>>50065847
If "access to" is distinctly different than "equipped with", it would mean that WE veterans, assault marines, bikers etc. can't equip chainaxes at all because they don't have "access to" chainswords and their rule doesn't have anything regarding "part of their basic equipment" like the DA rule does. Which is fucking stupid.

>>50061513

Are those yellow patches going to be made into hazard stripes?
I kinda like the idea of an IW knight

>>50063694
that white looks thick

>>50066016
So your argument is that a model with a chainsword does not have access to a chainsword?

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>>50064417
The day when FW models became uglier than regular GW.

>>50066085
Going by the other anon's rules interpretation, a model with a chainsword would be "equipped with" a chainsword, but he wouldn't "have access to" a chainsword.

>>50066126
They aren't forgeworld, buddy. They're GW plastics. And they're nowhere near as heinous as the Stormcast Eternals.

Ok, I finally made a list I'm happy with. New to 30k so I may or may not know what the hell I'm doing.
I don't make very good use of the Matrix bonuses, but seeing as I had the requirements anyway I thought id use it.

Matrix of Ruin FoC (2000 pts)

HQ:
Decima Invictus w/Cyber Familiar (235 pts)

Troops:

2x3 Thallax w/ Destructor and 1 multimelta (165 pts each)
20 Adsecularis with Rite of Pure Thought and Carapace armour (100 pts)

4 Scyllax w/ 1 flamer and Rad cleanser, 2 enhanced arrays (185 pts)
Triaros w/Extra Armor (140 pts)

Elites:

Magos Auxilia w/ Reductor, Augury Scanner and Graviton Imploder, Servitors have 4 servo-arms (135 pts)

Fast Attack:

Primaris Lightning strike fighter w/ Battle Servitor control, ground-tracking auguries, two Kraken missiles and 2x Twin-linked autocannon (225 pts)

Heavy Support:

3 Myrmidon Destroyers w/ 3 Graviton Imploders (240 pts)
Triaros w/ Extra Armor (140 pts)

2x Ordo Reductor Artillery Tank w/ Medusa cannon and twin-linked bolters. (135 p)

Total 2000/2000 pts.

Decima goes with the Scyllax in their pain train, Adsec bubblewrap the Artillery while the Auxilia repairs them and intercepts Termie squads with BS4 grav. Thallax jet up to grab objectives and blast tanks, Myrmidons kill anything they see within 18" and are my primary anti-primarch tools.

>>50066143
I would have to go common sense here. A model who can take a chainsword has access to a chainsword. And to argue that a model that already has a chainsword doesn't have access to a chainsword is pants-on-head retarded. So in both instances, it may instead take a free chainaxe.

It doesn't need to buy the chainsword because INSTEAD is the operative word. If they needed chainswords first it would say "then" or "replace" rather than "instead." The lack of points cost is offset by mandatory conversion of the model. If you don't convert them to have axes, you don't get axes.

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>>50066145
>They're GW plastics.
Sorry, then I should say:
The day when fantasy become better than Rogue Trader again.

>And they're nowhere near as heinous as the Stormcast Eternals.
At least Sotrmcasts not manlets.

>>50065256
>how do i objective markers for a bunch of dog fuckers

i think that question answers itself, anon

>>50066181

Following this thought, this is probably the only instance where the rules state that a proxied model doesn't get the piece of wargear.

>>50066181
>And to argue that a model that already has a chainsword doesn't have access to a chainsword is pants-on-head retarded
I agree, which was why I said it was fucking stupid in >>50066016

>The lack of points cost is offset by mandatory conversion of the model
That is not how game balance works.

>>50066145
Forgeworld is doing the HH plastic kits, same team thats doing the specialist games.

>>50066262
>That is not how game balance works.
AP4 melee weapons in this game are not unbalanced, no matter what their other rules are.

>>50062600

>his Spartan has no gigantic gaps

Lucky bastard

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what if combi volkites were 2 points?

>>50066314
Then they'd finally be worth something.

>>50063788

I would recommend it on the champion and a few others but Templar brethren are designed to mulch 3+ save units and not much else so you won't be facing all that much AP2 in melee hopefully

Convince me to play Death Guard /tg/

>>50066422
Chemical weapons, chemical weapons everywhere.

>>50066422
>>50066431
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Space_Marine_Legion_List_(30k)#XIV_Legion:_Death_Guard

>>50066422
Do you like infantry? Are you okay that you'll lose Phosphex just like the other Traitor Legions will when it gets time for the Siege of Terra? Are you fine with SoT DG will be have the current CSM rules? If so then you're a DGfag. I merely kid on two of these points and guess what they are.

>>50066291
Back when they only gave AP4 I could have conceded that they were free just to end the argument since the rule was primarily for cosmetic reasons, but now that they give +1S? Fuck you, either drop the bolter and make them despoilers if you want them cheap, or pay 2 points like everyone else.

>>50066469
So the wording of the rule is irrelevant to you. When they were useless, you admit that the wording works, but now that WE players actually get something decent, you change your stance? You're the worst kind of player.

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>>50064474
Why don't you want to bring the Dunecrawler's friends, man? It makes the machine spirit happy :DDDD

Does anyone know the difference between 30k Knight army list and 40k Knight army list?

>>50066552

A thousand dollars

>>50066558
No, seriously, I have the Imperial Army book, noticed the Questoris Knights, and started wondering.

>>50066568

The 30k knight list has a ton of options and whole robots you can't take in 40k and it costs a lot of money

In exchange you get to go cheynobyl war crimes all over people

>>50066469
>back when they didn't autopen my marines and only wounded on 4+ i was okay with it
>now that they wound on 3+ i am mad about it even though i still get an armor save

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>>50064935
I was asleep at that time, ok. Praise the Scan Anon

>>50066442
I realise it was probably a joke, but why would everyone lose phosphex, did the forgeworld/STC get destroyed or something?

I would actually be okay with plague marines with the 40k rules, they're probably the best out of the CSM cult units.

>>50066578
Fascinating.

Rad-Phage main weapon Knight when?

>>50065296
Seeing how they've got different rules, they probably had both, but Warsmiths outrank Praetors , like NCOs, and the Triarchs is second only to Perturabo himself and his tantrums.

>>50066587
Because Chaos wants everyone to suffer, and what's a good way of making your slaves make others suffer? By making these mooks miserable to the point they want to take your lashings out on others. All for Chaos's amusement and for better tasting raisins.

For a more serious answer it's to get the Traitor Legions hooked on daemons and dependent on the Gods for their daemonic fix. If the Death Guard can use their own chemicals that aren't daemonic and Warp touched how is Nurgle going to get an extra boost? Plus a daemon or the influence of the Warp probably ruined all of the fancy 30k goodies. You dig?

>>50066587
A lot of stuff was lost or locked away after the heresy. A lot of new stuff found is also just locked away by the forgeworlds. Remember technology is a religion higher then the emperor to the forgeworlds. You can't be sure all the old stuff and any new stuff found is not tainted so much bullshit has to happen before they share it. And then they tend to not share the best stuff.

>>50066587
The STC for Phosphex was destroyed by a Magos with a conscience.

This was not well recieved, as he was killed by that which he sought to destroy as punishment.

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>>50066671
>>50066587
>but why would everyone lose phosphex, did the forgeworld/STC get destroyed or something?
Yes

>>50061604
Don't forget Sicarian

>>50066695

So if phosphex is attracted to movement at ranged, is it a mechanical or sensor based reaction to stimulus?

I kinda like the idea of phosphex being burning clouds of nanites

>>50066506
Sorry, I didn't mean "admit" when I used "concede". What I meant to say was that back when they were practically useless, I wouldn't bother getting into long arguments over what essentially amounts to nothing and just let the WE players do whatever they want. Now that they're actually a big upgrade, it's worth arguing about.

The rule itself is vague as fuck and the endless arguments about them everywhere is proof of that. FW's rules have historically been terrible when it comes to syntax and semantics, even more so than GW. I think it's generally a better idea to go for RAI than RAW.

Consider the following:
>here's my squad of veterans with chainaxes, they cost as much as your veterans but have +1S
>alright
>here's my squad of assault marines with chainaxes, they cost as much as your assault marines but have +1S
>alright
>here's my squad of tactical marines that have replaced their bolters with chainaxes, they cost as much as yours but have +1S
>alright
>here's my squad of tactical marines with extra chainaxes, they cost 40pts less than yours and have +1S
>what the fuck, why

RAI it doesn't make sense that one incredibly specific option should cost less for WE when every other similar option costs exactly the same for them. It's not like bolter+CCW marines is an especially fluffy option for WE, if anything despoilers should be the ones costing less.

>>50066579
Causing ~20% more wounds against everything except Castellax and being able to wound Thanatars is quite strong for something that's free.

>>50066843
Well I thought vibrations made the reaction faster and thus it grew more on the side being agitated, as if following the source.
I'd be very afraid if it was nanytes.

>>50061241
>S: Roll a d6
>1: -2S 2:-1S 3-4: SUser 5: +!S 6:+2S
>APd6
>Unwieldy
>Specialist Weapon

>Warlord model is way smaller than what the fluff implies about their size
>worried how small the inevitable Imperator Titan will be

>>50066959
Pffff right. It's not some daemon weapon, but a relic to surpass Metal Gear.
S:DDDD, AP:Ebin1

>>50066979
They'll actually release an Imperator Titan costume that you can wear, so you can hop on the table and be the titan.

>>50064901
Scanon is prometheus.

Any suggestions on how I should be kitting out my Veteran Sergeants in Alpha Legion? I'm thinking that just a Combi-Flamer maybe.

>>50067089

Power daggers are always nice

>>50066306
But it's missing a bunch of big pieces of the tracks.

>>50066234
Wracks it is then.

So, I've decided to start Mechanicum in 30k, but my main opponents play Death Guard, World Eaters and Night Lords. They all seem to counter me extremely well, with easy instant death and AP4/poison on everything (bit mean FW, that literally only works on my guys) so how do I fight them?
Was planning on Reductor Artillery backed by Thralls and supported by Calleb Decima and Thallax, but other factors would be welcome.

>>50065245
Regular techmarines can take cortex controllers I believe

>>50066314
>Termis, consuls and praetors can take Chargers for 10pts
>or combi-chargers for 10pts

whyFW.jpg

>one grenade use per phase
>100 points for one chain fist attack

>>50067390

I think when used as a melee profile that restriction is lifted

>chainaxes
>grenades
>KA getting ripped on
>Mechanicum is underpowered in 30k
Is this the future we chose?

>>50067294
Also, now I think about it, could a Mechanicum Armoured Company possibly work? I'm not a massive fan of the beep boops and they seem to have vehicles just as hard as nails as they are, so maybe Ordo Reductor with artillery and Triaros screened by Thralls? The two Thallax teams could probably be equipped to kill anti-tank stuff and I hear one if the Magos options can get IWND for my tanks, although I don't know if I can take that in Reductor. Like I said, I'm new. :(

>>50067415
FAQ says "no".

>>50066580
>that last frame
Uncontrollable coughing fits I'm losing it

>>50067319

You are not the first to say that, however I can't find it in the Age of Darkness red book. Perhaps something that was poosible in the previous rule book.

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>That guy with the double power first Warlord

I have never seen someone give less of a fuck in my life

im going for stone gauntlet fists for my legion
wanting to run a footslog defensive list with as little vehicles as possible, there anything I should be considering when I list build, im brand new to 30k and how it works

>>50067537
>>50067319
Because they can't. Regular Techmarines can't take Cortex Controllers unless playing the Robowing RoW. It's Forgelords and IW/IH Techmarines the ones who can take CControllers.
>>50067516
That's all I can do in paint, man.

>>50067537
Shit yeah, you're right, it's in the LACAL but not the Age of Darkness army list

They must of removed it, I suppose between praevians and forge lords the cortex controller ground is mostly covered though.

>>50067294

Just nuke them with the insane amount of artillery you have.

Ascend from your mortal form into your true essence.

The Mighty Crater.

>>50067589
Make sure you have a way of taking out artillery, rapiers, and vindicators as they will fuck you over in a footslogging list

But honestly the points level HH is played at essentially means footslogging is impossible and transports are necessary

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Is pride of the legion good at higher points values or is the amount of sheer bodies you'll need to survive all that ap 3 make it subpar?

>>50067000
Genuinely laughed whilst shitting in the stall at work

>>50067661
That was the original plan. Was thinking 2 Phosphex Medusa tanks to drop templates on people about to charge, an anti-aircraft fighter of some kind, two screening Thrall blobs and then one of those Magos Prime/Reductor that give my tanks IWND, two repair Auxilia, and then as many Krios as I can physically fit into my list. Beat on that with your free chainaxes, you miscoloured psychopaths.

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>>50067459
I know for a fact I didn't choose this future. We can probably stop it from further degradation. We can't change the fact that KA got bullied for wanting to choose the pre-Dorn IF scheme, but we can control the axe and grenade problem by not talking about them. Want to get it settled? Send FW enough emails till they send a FAQ that settles it once and for all. The Mechanicum would most likely return to their day one former glory and Scoria will be buffed however.

>>50067459
Truly we've spiraled into the darkest timeline

Once /hhg/ showed promise, batreps, army lists, and quality memeing

And then, heralded by the release of B@C, we devolved into rampant shitposting, bitter IWfags, minmaxing and full blown autism

We made this bed, now we must lie in it

>>50067812
>quality memeing
>rampant shitposting
There is literally no difference between the two

>>50067812
There's nothing but bedbugs in this bed.

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>>50067812
>Army Lists
>Different from people asking about creating their own army lists and advised to not minmax and focus on the fluff
I haven't seen bitter IWfags in a long while, mang.
>We made this bed, now we must lie in it
Why not burn it?

>>50067459
What happened with grenades and mechanicus being weak?

>>50066850
Except assault marines come with bolt pistol/chainsword stock so there is 0 argument there about free or not. However, compare all that to Iron Hands.
>Here is my veteran squad, they cost the same as yours but if you shoot them they have +1 toughness
>Here is my tactical squad, they cost the same as yours but if you shoot them they have +1 toughness
Etc

>>50067845
This. Burn this bed, and get more quality bread.

>>50067865
Hold on I'm retarded I realize you were actually saying the first two were ok disregard I suck cocks

>>50067812
>>50067825
>>50067845
Huh, what do you know
>Rampant Shitposting
Discarded
>Bitter IWfags
Absent
>Minmaxing
Present since day one, dealt with ever since
>Full Blown Autism
THIS. This is the problem. You see, we never solved the issue with chainaxes and grenades, we simply swept it under the rug and tried to not speak about it, see -> >>50067779
>>50067866
It's a joke, you arsonist. We gotta fix the bed, not burn the whole house down. I mean, yeah that'd be fun, but we gotta fix the bed.

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>>50067893
>It's a joke, you arsonist. We gotta fix the bed, not burn the whole house down. I mean, yeah that'd be fun, but we gotta fix the bed.
But if there's a daemon in the house that burns it down because we fixed the bed, we can build a new house and bed.

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>>50066155
>Adsec bubblewrap the Artillery
Nice
>Magos Auxilia w/ Reductor, Augury Scanner and Graviton Imploder, Servitors have 4 servo-arms (135 pts)
> the Auxilia repairs them and intercepts Termie squads with BS4 grav
Then why do the Servitors have Servo Arms? I hope you remember they don't aid Reductor Techpriest's battlesmith rolls. Not saying you should give them Tank Hunting Multimeltas, because they lack relentless, but I mention it.
Also, Enginseer Techpriests gain a servo-arm too and a +1 to their rolls, effectively succeding on a 3+ without help. Just saying.
>>50067944
>But if there's a daemon in the house that burns it down because we fixed the bed, we can build a new house and bed.
As long as you fight the daemons with bolter and blade, not with witchery, then all your efforts will be justified.

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>>50068019
That's all I needed to hear.

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>>50068039
>If only the Lion was more like you...

>>50068083
And if only you had a better head on your shoulders.

>>50068019
Oops, I forgot the servitor helpers dont count. Don't think I can take Enginseer tech-priest Auxilia in a Reductor list, but if I can I will, and if I can't I would probably give them heavy weapons. Meltas, probably since my DG friend seems to really like Deathshroud, and they will be stuck next to barrage tanks inside a ring of chumps anyway, not like they need to move much.
Thanks for the help anon.

>>50067688
Troop terminators, though.

Depending on what SW RoWs do for Troops, I might use PotL just to move my terminators into Troops and fill my Elites with more dreads and some rapiers.

>>50068152
You can bring al kinds of Techpriests in a Reductor list. Reductor Magi can bring a Retinue made up of either Scyllax or Reductor Techpriests, maybe that's where the confusion stems from.

>>50067688

The issue with PoTL isn't the body count, it's that transports don't have the Legions Astartes rule so you're going to have to have at least somebody walking/outflanking which with sniper vets isn't a big deal

30k terminator wing is pretty sweet looking

>>50066850

>RAI it doesn't make sense that one incredibly specific option should cost less for WE when every other similar option costs exactly the same for them. It's not like bolter+CCW marines is an especially fluffy option for WE, if anything despoilers should be the ones costing less.
That's the entire goddamn point of World Eaters. Even in the fluff. They can't specialize or hold objectives. They don't really follow a chain of command. Their special Legion weapons are absolute steaming ass. They don't even use Jump Packs all that often. They're just a horde of dudes on foot, screaming nonsense and charging you with axes. It fits the fluff perfectly. You're just butthurt that they get ONE GODDAMN THING that you don't. Cheap ass tac squads with axes.

>Causing ~20% more wounds against everything except Castellax and being able to wound Thanatars is quite strong for something that's free.

Blood Angels get it for free. They don't even HAVE any special units and they're already more competitive than World Eaters. Why are you not irritated about that?

>>50067595
Sadly IH tech marines can't cortex controllers at all. Just robots with their RoW which is problematic.

>>50068323
>More competitive than half the legions
FTFY

>>50068236
ICs. Even if you get 3 units with 3 transports, an IC will give the extra unit with LA.

>>50067812
>>50067845
Hey, I make both fluffy and memeworthy army lists all the time in here!

>haven't seen bitter
The bitter has always been here. Forever. And the bitter shall never leave.

>>50068323
>They're just a horde of dudes on foot, screaming nonsense and charging you with axes.
So... Despoilers?

>Why are you not irritated about [Blood Angels]?
Because their rules are clear on how they function. I'm not complaining about balance, I'm complaining about people who try to bend the rules in their favor.

>>50068333

Well they can but so can anyone else using this ROW

What legion is the strongest using only the contents of buring of prospro and calth? Maybe some other gw plastics but no fw.

>>50068406

It's just going to get better once bird-boy gets rules.

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>>50068457

The "git out" legion

>>50068453

Whoops forgot pic

>>50068457
>no FW
You're making a mistake. Your army will be boring as fuck to play with nothing but marines, termies and basic vehicles. It will also look boring as fuck without any upgrade kits, even if you paint it well.

How strong do you guys think TSons will be?

Im already heavily invested in them either way, just curious.

Kind of worried about sisters being cheap and easy anti-psykers

>>50068517

I'm worried Magnus and his kin are going to be a bit overpowered. We'll see though.

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>>50068323
>>50068406
>Choppier than WE without confusing rules
>Don't need legion specifics to be competitive unlike DA
>Their RoW lets them pull the EC +1I thing, at +1S. Also, they're prettier
>Outdakka the IW
>Canon Chads
>The IF cannot tell them anything since Sanguinius arrived early to the combat with Horus, rather than late as Dorn did.
>They were at Imperium Secundus yet still arrived on Terra, unlike the UM
>Red from the beggining til the end, unlike WE/WB/TS. Also, their red tanks DO go faster
>Sword of double wounding better than the RG relic, doesn't need the enemy's permission, only their tears.
>With good melee and lots of flamers, just you wait the ZM-king be contested from the DG
>Sanguinius is a mutant yet accepted and not a savage furry, also not a jobber, is prettier than Fulgrim whilst killier, can probably beat Angron, isn't sucker punched by the Lion, is probably the only mentally sane Primarch, weeps for you and gives presents in Sanguinalia
It's like the rest of the legions aren't even trying
mfw I'm a IWfag :/
>>50068451
I know it's always here, I'm just saying it hasn't been at obnoxious levels in a long time

>>50068517
Im expecting magnus to be able to ignore psychic shut downs like sisters and the culexus

>>50068510
>if you're not using special snowflake units, you're doing it wrong
>if you don't adhere to the visual style I determine kosher, you're doing it wrong
>if you don't do an army that's like everyone else, you're doing it wrong

>>50063598
I can't see SW doing that, but Sisters of Silence might. What symbols do they use? I think their weights would be some sort of anti-psychic device.

>>50063641
>>50063689
Whether you have to pay for chainswords first is still heavily debated. Around here, most people think the chainaxes are free.

So. I eventually worked out a mechanicum Armoured list. Any feedback?

Age of Darkness FoC (2000/2000)

HQ: Archmagos prime, Archimandrite, Abeyant, Cyber-familliar, Graviton Imploder, Djinn-Skein + 2 Occularis (285 pts)

Troops:

2x20 Thralls with Carapace and RoPT (100pts each)

Elites:

2xTech-Priest Auxilia - Enginseer (65pts each)

Fast Attack:

Primaris-Lightning Strike Fighter w/ Battle Servitor control, Ground-Tracking Auguries, 2 Kraken missiles and 2 Twin-Linked autocannon (225 pts)

Vorax Battle-Automata - 3 Vorax, Poison Rounds (225 pts)

Heavy Support:

Krios Tank Squadron - 2x Venator (300pts)

Krios Tank Squadron - 3x Krios Regular (375 pts)

Myrmidon Destructors w/ 3 Graviton Imploders (240 pts)
Triaros w/ Extra Armour (140 pts)

Lord Of War:

Knight Paladin w/ Poison stubber and Rapid-Fire Battle Cannon.

Total 2000 pts

Warlord goes with Destructors in Triaros, Thralls wrap the tanks or cap objectives, Enginseers repair, Vorax go rampage generally and distract a bit from all the armour.

If I put an Occularis by some Krios tanks, can I intercept with them as it says "models" within 3" gain Interceptor?

>>50067099
Do we have Power Knives modelled anywhere other than on the Headhunters? It'd be nice to have a guy holding one.

I wrote up a sort of fluffy list that uses only the 'Mechanicum' knights intended for 2500 games. What do you think? Would you play against it?

The Omnissian Knight House

HQ
-Knight Atrapos, 435
+Seneschal, 50
+Ocular Augmetics, 10
Total, 495

Troops
-2xKnight Magaera, 395 (790)
+Siege Claw, 35 (70)
+Ocular Augmetics, 10 (20)
Total, 435 (870)

Heavy Support
-2Knight Styrix, 405 (810)
+Siege Claw, 25 (50)
+Ocular Augmetics, 10 (20)
+Scion Arbalester, 25 (50)
Total, 465 (930)

Total, 2,295

>>50068699

No official models besides headhunters but you can just use regular combat knives

>>50068636
That's a magnificent amount of projecting, good job.

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>>50066256
There's "must be modelled distinctly" on a few units I think - I know Justarians and Deathshroud had it, being book one units.

Which means you can have Cataphractii Deathshroud if you make them different from regular Cataphractii - presumably by making something like the middle model here

>>50068703

I mean, you picked the shit knights, minus the Atrapos. But it's still 5 knights. I would at least want a warning beforehand and a candlelit dinner afterwards.

>>50068457
Death Guard?

Get some WHFB chaos warrior spikes and give them all pickelhaubes. Make 2 blobs with Apothecaries. 5 Deathshrouds or a Praetor with 4 Deathshrouds in a Phobos. 6 Grave Wardens. Twin AC Contemptor (mortis). Get more flamers and make a chem-flamer Support Squad in a Rhino. Maybe vets in a Rhino or heavy support with the other 10 spare dudes. Trade custodes and sisters for more stuff.

>>50068647
>I can't see SW doing that

So what do you make for the Emperor's Executioners?

>inb4 yiffing

>>50068457
The more I see comments like this, the more I think plastic heresy might have been a mistake.

>>50068636
At that point you'd be losing on actually playing HH games. None of the unique weapons, units, no primarchs, no heresy era vehicles, you would be much less gimped if you want to play 40k with heresy era plastics than 30k without the actual 30k.

For the most part, this game takes up either lots of money, time, creative conversions or all at the same time, it's not 'muh seecruht club' but rather the whole package of fluff, rules, models and love for it all.
It may sound petty or nonsensical, but it's the way this hobby evolved, and t-b-h, it's pretty much the same with every other hobby out there.

>>50068740
Yeah, I wanted to see if I could make four knights at 2k, but that's just not possible.

Anyways, I thought the Styrix wasn't considered that bad with the Martian Deathray it has? I know the Magaera's crap, but I love it.

>>50068823
The Styrix has a giant Heavy 5 AP3 gun, what's not to like.
Even the Magaera isn't horrible either, Large AP3 blasts are pretty deadly and the Salvo 2/3 AP3 plasma fusil kills marines just fine.

Sure some knights pack more punch for the points, but these kill marines by the bucket load.

>>50068798
I bet if I wend and bought everything that comes in the BaC and BoP boxes in FW resin, nobody would have any problems with it or thought I was ruining the hobby.

You got boxes of HH models for HH, but using them is not right, because you're not using them the FW way. Man, fuck FW. I'm not following FW's style of FW. I got a whole host of 30k era material, fluff, art, etc. that I'm following. Why should I limit myself to what FW (or faggots who only adhere to FW HH) deems as HH?

>no heresy era vehicles

Oh Christ, you're one of those people who thinks aquilas are a heresy on 30k models as well, aren't you?

>30k without the actual 30k

Except all the HH era models that come in the HH era boxes, complimented with vehicles that existed during HH.

FW HH was the mistake, it has made people into elitist faggots who have forgotten everything. 15 years ago converting Indomitus with new shoulder pads and putting studs all over your MkVII, along with fielding old tanks and painting them all in pre-Heresy colours was dedication. Now, it seems, it's boring and lazy and if you're not buying the Official Miniatures(tm) and painting them The Right Way(c), you're an Absolute Fucker(r) and the death of the franchise.

>>50068926
poorfag talk

>>50068926
I think anon meant stuff like Contemptors, Spartans, etc.

There is no need to be upset anon.

>>50068964
>spend tons of money and time converting and painting models the way you want according to cool old art, fluff, or just visual style you like
>poorfag for not just buying FW miniatures and painting them in official legion colours

No, anon, you are the death of this hobby.

>>50068896
>Even the Magaera isn't horrible either, Large AP3 blasts are pretty deadly and the Salvo 2/3 AP3 plasma fusil kills marines just fine.
I think Krios tanks are better sources of AP3 large blasts. You get three times the dakka for less points, Knights are only relevant because of their D chainswords.

>>50068926
>defending lazy people that buy BaC/BoP and calls it a day
>while simultaneously going on a tirade about dedication
Impressive levels of irony there, anon.

>>50068926
No, the HH plastics are fine. But there aren't enough of them for a take-all-comers army - and that's where you might try to fill in the rest with GW plastics instead of FW stuff. It can work, to an extent (Mars-pattern Rhino chassis, modern Land Raiders), but I think you'd miss out on a lot of what makes the Heresy so visually interesting. And you'll probably get slaughtered by superheavies.

I think you guys are making a fuss about some dude saying the boxed game contents are simply basic stuff that you can make an army out of, but there's an entire army list that you'd be barely paying any attention to if you stuck to the contents of those boxes only.
>We make a big deal out of everything: The General

>>50069126
>defend lazy people that buy FW resins and call it a day
>while simultaneously going on a tirade about dedication

Bitter levels of iron there, anon.

You can very well convert those minis without needing FW minis or bits to do it, you know. Anon just said he didn't want FW stuff, not that he'd just field BaC/BoP and that's it.

>>50069137
Plastic super-heavies are an option from Baneblade chassis to Knights.