Horus Heresy General /hhg/

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Pigtail SoS is cute.

Considering swapping from IFs to IWs

I really like both, but I'm finding painting IFs too hard with all the potential yellow has to go wrong and it's currently not fun to have shit minis I'm not proud of.

I know the RoW and characters and rules, but I'm still not sure what an IW list looks like in practice as I'm still researching, but was hoping to get some advice anyway

I need convincing one way or the other

>>50051542
Just don't go midway like KA.

Regarding Dreadclaws deep striking in, can the squad inside hop out and shoot immediately or do they have to sit in the pod and wait another turn because it's a flyer?

>>50051542
>I really like both, but I'm finding painting IFs too hard with all the potential yellow has to go wrong and it's currently not fun to have shit minis I'm not proud of.
I keep hearing that yellow is hard but is it really that bad? It can't be that hard. What are you scared of bananas? Do you have a stroke everytime you see something yellow? I kid of course.
>I know the RoW and characters and rules, but I'm still not sure what an IW list looks like in practice as I'm still researching, but was hoping to get some advice anyway
Ironfire and all of those dank memes.
>Convincing
How many Fists do you have now? Consider your wallet, and ask yourself if we really need another IWfag. That last part was a halfway joke.

>>50051542
Doubt is a sign of weakness.

>>50051569
>>50051542 is KA.

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>>50051713
KA bullying has gotten old.

>>50051719
It's not an attempt at that, the poster sounds like him. Well, that or CA(Canadian).
I like how GW reused Dantioch's helmet in 40k.

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>>50051728
It is pretty neat.

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Did a Thousand Sons test model. Need to add some markings and symbols so it doesn't look too much like a Blood Angel. Although I will treat them as such until the TSons get their rules.

>>50051571
I think they can disembark, what they cannot do is assault, and that's only the first turn.
You cannot disembark at all if you do a flaming attack, however, of any kind.
>>50051542
IWs with Golg can use termie troops without needing to use PotL (it's still a good RoW). But I'll tell you something about the usual Ironfire list: it's usually built around a single artillery unit, which is often left unprotected against deepstriking threats. And that's not a good thing, seeing how the entire strategy revolves around it.

>>50051855
Looks good.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stor_Bezashk
This is something new.

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>>50052050
Huh, nice find. So the horse caretakers are in 30k the Siege engines caretakers. The only other I found was the Dodekatheon.

if I take both a sicarian and an infiltrating autocannon iron havoc squad am I a bad person

>>50052178

Excuse me, in a 1000 point game

>>50051569
He is KA tho

>>50051728
GW didn't do shit. The artist, ukitakumuki is always sneaking cool stuff like that into his covers.

>>50051542
>An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded
You're not falling to chaos are you KA

>>50052178
Alpha legion?

>>50051499
Fucking adorable.

>>50051855
What are people's opinions on differing the red legions
>metallic red
TS
>dried scab red
WB
>bright red
BA
death to anyway that says Bangles

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>>50052338

Correct

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>>50052310
He's possible the best 40k artist of them all. I think he hasn't screwed up in his art? Kai Lim is good too

>>50052375
You're a dick, but you're roleplaying AL dicksihness so it's kosher

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>>50052412
that looks like shit though

>>50052412
Is that Fist's armour yellow all the way through or did they just paint all the damaged area yellow rather than fill in the holes?

>>50052444

Well that's a relief but we're starting up a 30k night at my store and I didn't want to put off any new guys by unintentionally stomping them, I just wanted to use my painted models to give a good impression

>>50052498

Yellow within, yellow without

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Has anyone link to The Either audiodrama, or to Echoes of Imperium?

>>50052498

Well, the outer layer of power armour is ceramite, I see no reason why it couldn't be dyed any colour you want. Saves on repainting the armour every time it gets scratched.

With a Cortex controller one get the option to bring one of three alternatives. Thallax, Castellax and Vorax.
I want to go for the sweet Thallax. However there are some questions first I need answered.

In their rulebook, Thallax doesn't have the rule regarding programmed behavior (stay within 12' etc etc), Would that mean that Thallax in a legion army can walk around without the usual limitation of the Castellax for example?

And two, the 40k rulebook states that jet pack infantry have the deep strike rule. So why would I buy the option for it in the Thallax option? I guess it is a mistake from Forgeworld's part.

>>50052270
I'm not fucking KA

Haven't read the BL series, but I want to do a small Luna Wolves force. I was thinking about converting (possibly magnetizing) my horus without the Talon. I understand he got that much later in the crusade and HERESY TIME'd shortly afterward.

What weapon other than the big ass womping stick did he carry prior to the Talon, did he have a firearm or just the Giant Mace of Fuck You?

I figured I could play them as a shattered Legion or Black Shield bro hams for afterward.

>>50052570
No, I'm sorry.
I remember some links were posted like 4 threads ago? But I don't remember what they were: I was phonpostinng
>>50052658
He's a recast. He's yellow all the way to the core.

>>50052270
I am KA

>>50052728
>Thallax doesn't have the rule regarding programmed behavior
Indeed. They aren't Battle-Automata, but cyberized shock troop humans.
>Why buy the deepstrike upgrade for Thallax if they can deepstrike already?
It's meant for ZM, where aerial deepstriking is forbidden, so the upgrade lets them teleport like termies, and also gives them Hardened Armour. Don't even bother, since a 4+ save means Heavy flamers don't give a fuck about their hardened armour anyway.

>>50052828
No, I am KA

>>50051499

OME she is!

>>50052784
He doesn't take to the field in armour that often in the novels, but from what I recall he's armed with a storm bolter* and a golden sword up to Davin. After Davin he gets his shiny new suit from the mechanicum.

*Storm bolters in 30k are a bit of a contentious topic, but I figure he's a fucking primarch, he can get his hands on unique prototypes.

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18 legions diorama guy here.

After a very busy week, I managed a little time yesterday to do the Space Wolf sketch. Went for a more Viking inspired look, also changed the armour from the ugly baby blue to a more iron-like colour.

>>50051542

>painting IFs too hard

Enjoy your hazard stripes brother. Iron within, iron without.

>>50052864

Got nothing to say really except that you are better at drawing fingers than most and that's something.

>>50052864
I like your medium. Watercolours?

>>50052864

His head is way too big

Good colors though, dark gray space wolves are perfectly acceptable in 30k

>>50052864
the other ones you drew/painted looked pretty good, but this one looks like shyte.

Finally, the >spoopy 4ch layout's been fucked off with.

>>50052864
Where are the other drawings?

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>>50052962
Watercolour, ink and gouaché.

>>50052968
>>50052974
Yeah, head is too big and in general it doesn't look good. Might re-do it later, but it's certainly not my best.

>>50053260
There's a BA and a DA. Pic related.

>>50051855
Looks lovely, really well done.

>>50053277
>There's a BA and a DA. Pic related.
I had hoped you did more of them since I saw the BA. Nonetheless I like your style, have you been drawing for some time now?
I still have to do a MkII IW request for an anon from about a month ago.

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>>50052784

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How fluffy would a praetorian Guard unit for the Ultramarines be? I kind of want my dudes to be Gulliman's personal get shit done force beyond the standard chain of command that answer to him directly and only.

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>>50053347
Oh, I don't recall HH5 good enough, but surely special times call for special measures? If Malcador got his enforcers together, why couldn't Guilli-Ihavemyownempiretoo-man do the same?

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Ok is it shoulder pad, shoulder plate ,or pauldron?

>>50053386
Plate or pauldron. Definitely not a pad

>>50053386
Pauldron.

>>50053325
Yeah, I do art for a living, been doing these and painting miniatures in my free/drinking time.

Just started experimenting with watercolours, hadn't used them in years, I mostly do pure monochrome inks and sculpting.

>>50053405
>>50053419
Can I get a source on this I'm trying to convince a friend who think they're called pads because Gw and fw label all their webstore models with "shoulder pad"

>>50053626

We also call them miniatures, that doesn't mean they're actually called that in universe

>>50053347
I think most Primarchs kept some form of elite specialist cadre for their own purposes, fucking do'er bud.

>>50053626
>pad
Anything stuffed and soft enough to protect from jarring, friction, etc.; cushion
>pauldron
Component of plate armor that protects the shoulder area
Sauce, muh dictionary

>>50053805
The need for sourcing everything ever reminds me of that dude who refused to have the UM and WS fight because "there is no novel about it".

>>50053833
I'm interested to hear more about this stupidity. Is there anything more to the story than that?

>>50053833
I think I remember this.

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>>50053626
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Marine-Tactical-Squad-2015

>>50053930
I think you guys should save up your autism for armour mark fights, of which MkIII is the best? Just saying

>>50053525
You got it good then, if you can make a living out of it.
Do you do sculpting as in real sculpting?
Been thinking of picking up the same, just haven't got enough time/funds for everything and just the pencil is good enough of a medium for the time being.

>>50053347
Space Wolves band, maybe styled as Varangian guard? The watch packs were supposed to act in guard of the Imperium, or as guards to the loyal primarchs. Arm them with Legatine axes and shields, sculpt wolf pelts such as Roman Aquilifers wore, and there you go.

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>>50053956
>I think you guys should save up your autism for armour mark fights, of which MkIII is the best?
Please don't.

>>50053956
Here's a (you)

>>50053277
I've enjoyed your stuff, dude. I can't criticize the proportions on your Space Wolf because I can't into visual art (I'm going to ruin my Alpha Legion and become the next KA-tier laughingstock of the thread when I post them, YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST, /HHG/!). Like I said, I like your medium. I like the watercolour-enhanced sketch look, it feels very Remembrancer-y, it looks a little like a Blanche piece. A little detail that I think adds a lot is the exhaust fumes. Creates a sort of gritty verisimilitude. I'll be eager to see the rest of the project.

If you're taking suggestions on the next Legion, I'd love to see White Scars, Raven Guard, Alpha Legion, Salamanders, or Emperor'S Children.

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>>50053958
You and your wolf pelts, pleb taste bruh :^)
Also, I don't understand this:
>Unlike other standard bearers (such as signifers), the aquilifer probably did not wear an animal skin, instead going bareheaded (no contemporary depiction of an aquilifer shows him with a headdress or helmet)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquilifer
>>50053997
>>50054006
>>50053956
I should have stated more clearly that it was a joke. As in, isn't it a bit dumb to disagree on what to call pauldrons?

>>50053833
I'm the anon you (You)'d. Just so I know - was I displaying the stupid, unreasonable need for sourcing? I hope not. I'm a huge fan of the concept of YOUR D00DS (within reason), to the point of investing a decent amount of time in fluffing out one of the Lost Legions. I want UltrAnon to have his badass XIIIth Legion Praetorians.

>>50054082
Oh nah, I didn't get that impression of you, man. I was merely reminded of that guy. Sort of, because I barely remind HHG telling the story.
Everything goes, really. I bet UMs could even be fluffed as massacring civilians if the situation called for it. Just saying UM Praetorian guards are quite easy to justify from the legion that has Invictarii Suzerains.

How is Mechanicum meant to kill Mortarion? I know his thing is durability, but everything I use to kill tough things and other Primarchs (Scoria, Grav Destructors , poison volleys to try to shave off a wound or two) only work on 6s and he is so damn fast I can't catch the guy. So far my best idea was to get 40 or 60 Adsecularis and smear them across the table as tarpit units, but I'm not hopeful.

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I'm using pic related as a base for sergeants and apothecaries for my MkIV squads.

Now that BoP is out I'm gonna build a unit of MkIII breachers and a heavy support squad with hardened armour. Should I keep using palatine blades or is there any way to make similarly fancy MkIII for the sergeants?

>>50054203

I don't see anything wrong with mixing armor marks in the same squad, especially if It's just on the sergeants who probably have artificer armor anyway

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>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-eating_tree
At least these trees have the decency to sure their true colors.

>>50053958
Yeah, I do all sorts of clay and metal sculpting, currently I'm mostly doing masks and props for theater as well as experimenting with mixing metal, Clay and paints in a single piece.

>>50054037
I really appreciate the critique, the best way to get there is taking it and working on it, same goes for painting minis or anything, really.

Might do EC or WS next.

>>50054244
>show
Dang it. I don't even.

>>50054198
I faced him once and got raped pretty hard.

Scoria still works on him, but if the DG player has a double digit IQ he's never going to be in combat with him.

>>50053888
>>50053833
>>50053928

Ahaha fuck that was me, I didn't think anyone would remember that

Basically the dude didn't want to play me because there hadn't been a BL novel of WS vs UM yet, despite me pointing out that Retribution was all about undocumented secret wars that took place during the heresy.

He also didn't like that my bikers we're GW ones converted to have MkV bikers, and tried getting the manager to make me leave claiming I had "third party models" despite the fact I bought the models from that store a week earlier and converted them in the shop.

I wasn't too bothered though, I pretty sure he was somewhere on the autistic spectrum and my bikers are fucking sexy so whatever.

>>50054286
I think I remember you asking about those conversions. You should post pics.

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>>50054244
Time to deploy the Dreadwing.

>>50054260
Pretty cool, I have to admit I envy you a little.
If we can vote, I'd like you to do a White Scar next, would be interesting to see your take on them.

>>50054301
Seconding.

>>50051499
Ded lucky.

>>50051542
There's a point where you gotta admit that no matter what you do, it's gonna look like shit. Might as well stand proud in your mediocrity.

>>50052805
As yellow as the Chinaman that made him.

>>50053386
Pauldron or epaulette.

>>50053956
>Armour Autism™
'Ere we go again, boyz!

>>50054286
Thank the gods there's no sperglords in the store I play. The one I used to play in had this dude that had to make a rape or sodomy comment with a shit eating grin every time anything Slaanesh was mentioned, another dude that was attracted to infinity minis and a third one with a mlp themed SM army.

>>50054198
Fearless thralls will be one of the best things to hold him up. Otherwise AT guns with high strength in one of the only ways to maybe shoot him of the board

>>50054301
I will when I get back from uni at christmas, the conversions themselves aren't that hard to do.

I just added studs and cabling to the legs, and then used the MkV Torso, head, backpack and shoulder pads that I had left over from my veterans to make the upper part of the body, and just used the regular arms that come with the biker for the arms as MkVII and MkV arms are very similar so it's not noticeable.

If you didn't have the MkV parts though, it's not even that hard to convert MkVII to MkV, all that needs doing is studs on the helmets and a little bit of greenstuff around the grille to make it larger (not even that if you wanted to claim it was a mantilla pattern helmet). Shave the trim off of the shoulderpads and add studs to one of them, and use an assault marine chest or the chests that come with the CSM bikers. For a backpack you could use an anvillus or alternatively a regular MkVII backpack, as again it's very similar to MkV.

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>>50054338
>epaulette

We Mordian now.

Speaking of cool conversions, does anyone have a good way to make Adsecularis for less than the Forge World prices? I like the models, but paying £1 per point is a bit much.
I was considering Chaos cultists with Ranger or Vanguard heads from 40k, go represent the "pressganged militia" mentioned in the Skitarii dex. They are literally controlled by their implants, given the bare minimum of equipment and sent into the meat grinder, which is both cheap and really fits the "expendable infantry, Servitors and Artillery" I was going for with my DarkMech army.

>>50054344
Yeah, plan was to make a bunch of them for general tarpitting purposes, since he can't take a unit if he wants to move quickly and so will get essentially neutered by 20 bodies for a turn or two.
Thing is, >>50054371.
Any other Primarch and I grav them to death handily.

>>50054371
Adescularis are like cults and militias, pretty much anything goes.

You could use IG models with some technological shit attached to them, and convert the lasguns into what you want.

I wouldn't go with cultists, they're quite hard to convert I've found due to being snap-fit, and Using IG (or maybe even tempestus?) with ranger or vanguard heads would probably give them quite a uniform look.

>>50054338
>>Armour Autism™
Your #1 provider of concentrated autism ;^)
>mlp themed SM army
I think I remember some colorful Rhinos?

>>50054397
>>50054344
The DG has a lot of templates, but I guess for the cost you could bring enough Adsecularii that it would still be enough of a tarpit, right?
And then you add a Lachrimallus for 1/3 chance of resurrecting Thralls.

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Fav Contemptor loadout

>inb4 BA double double

>>50054454
FG could end up with shred, but carapace armor, fearless and fnp can mitigate that effectiveness pretty well I'd imagine

>>50054409
I vote Scions with Vanguard heads, it's a good look. You can even use a Vanguard/Ranger torso with the long duster/greatcoat for a cool squad leader (though I forget fluff for Adsecularis and if they're basically mindwiped thralls or not)

>>50054463
Dual assault cannons, or fist w/multimelta, usually both in tandem

>>50054477
Scions will end up being more costly than the FW Thralls. They're 35 pounds for ten. Scions are 42 pounds for ten. I get wanting to do conversions, but it's not always a saver

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>>50054463
Two fists in a pod.

>>50054463
>>50054488

OOC what happens to the stat line when a contemptor loses his one default fist?

>>50054477
Yep, mindwiped all the way, they dont get characters at all.
>>50054454
>>50054469
If I make them the best possible tarpit, with fearless, carapace and FnP, they are 135 pts for 20. Wouldnt want to take them any cheaper as otherwise they get mowed down by bolters, cant tank any hits in melee or run away in round 1. Might drop the FnP at most.
Still cheap enough that 40 bodies are a decent price in points.

>>50054521
He loses an attack, so it goes from 3 down to 2.

>>50054502
Shit, I hadn't priced it out at all. Good call.

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>>50054424
Pic related.

>>50054463
Nice model.

>>50054530
The fnp could help against heavy bolters or flamers tho

>>50054502
Go with cadians then, 18 pounds for 10 and you can get ranger helmets for dirt cheap.

>>50051499
Kinda annoyed that their kit is modelled without the wedge platform heels.

>>50052498
From the looks of it, it's not that the armor is yellow within and without, but rather that the metal has been punched and buckled into itself by the impact, making it SEEM that it's completely yellow, while its just the outer layer that has been pushed back and the layer of paint with it. If you look closely you can see that, the outer edges of impacts show that the metal is definitely, well, metal.

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Is this any good?

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>>50054463

Anyone at all use Volkites?

>>50054224
Yeah, it's not really a question about armour mixing, it's rather like this:

Are there any conversions or kitbashes that can make MkIII look as sexy as Palatine Blades?

>>50054651

You a bad enough dude for 8 BS 5 twin linked S6 AP5 deflagrate shots?

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>>50054576
Sure, frienship may be magic, I guess, but magic is WITCHERY and should be purged!

>>50054682
>leman russ confirmed for barneyfag

>>50054682
He actually looks good in glasses

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>>50054576

>>50054580
Yeah, but if I give them carapace (and I will) they get saves against regular flamers and if theyre dying to heavy flamers they save my Thallax a heap of trouble.
>>50054582
Yeah, might be the best idea.

Overall it seems i'll be doing a heap of conversion for this army :) Scoria will be a Triarch Stalker with mechanic bitz all over it, a modded Necron staff Vodian sceptre and a Magos Dominus wired in instead of the pilot, Adsec will be cultists or guardsmen, and Medusae for Reductor lists will be Chimerae with slightly modified Kromlech mortars on top.
Wont be anything like an "official" army, but will be fun as hell to make and play.

>>50054640
Nah, look at the backpack vent. It's clearly made out of coalesced chinky recasts.

>>50054651
Isn't Kheres significantly better for like 5pts more?

>>50054704
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQk7XQcFKts

Any good podcasts for 30k? Tried Imperial Truth and the self righteous bored me to fucking tears, along with his sidekick painting mascot cheerleader.
Age of Darkness is more along the lines of what i'm after but more 'Murikan

>>50054724

Yeah but that's not a Martian heat ray

>>50054724
Depends really, the kheres is a better all rounder and good at popping light vehiucles, but deflagragate makes the culverin better for people with a 4+ save

And also the volkite looks way cooler

>>50054711
Mechanicum is all about conversions anon, make it cool

>>50054645
I'll tell you when I'm finished listening to it, thanks for the reminder.

>>50054773
Radio Free Isstvan is the only tolerable podcast out there. They've got a good formula for their shows that make for easy listening while painting/building.

>>50054816
Always nice to hear. I also have a friend who seems willing to sell me a Knight Warden, which when stripped and repainted (currently Lamenters colours) will boost my army in 40k and let me finish my Warconvo faster so I can start work on 30k stuff.

>>50054800
This.

I think the Volkite gets less table presence because deflag doesn't cut it against marines the way rending can, plus 50% more shots. And thats what 30k really is. Twin linked isn't amazing with BS5 either.

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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but...

>>50054724
Volkite has almost twice the range though.

>>50054930
People can just order the Boarding assault upgrade set, rather than being fucking autists about the shape of the shields and the arm that you're not going to see anyway behind all the shield and shoulderplate not being MK III.

And aren't there already MK III shoulder upgrade sets for most of the legions ?

>>50054984
Tartaros shoulders. I would like my legion cataphractii first though.

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>>50055016

>assembled my Lernaens a week before the alpha legion shoulders were announced

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>Deathshroud termies have DG icons on their shoulder pads
>Grave Wardens don't

>>50054984
>durr autism
I think the Breacher shields look 10x better than the Boarding Assault shields, simple as that.

If FW doesn't want my money, there's always scalpers on ebay and recasters.

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>>50054984
I'm pretty sure MkV's grab bag of parts was designed so we can build whatever we like and not listen to the autists

>>50054842
Cheers.

>>50055086
beautiful models but too much dirt on the shoulders

>>50052412
Karl Kopinski and Adrian Smith are objectively better artists.

>>50055086

I seriously hope armour mark autists are just devoted shitposters, because the FW books probably have more colour plates & minis with mixed armour than pure suits.

>>50055086
>>50055098

Agreed on the too much dirt in the shoulders observation. I understand their legs being very grungy, but it's a bit unrealistic to have *that* much filth in such a specific part of the shoulder plate while the rest is pristine. It would look much better toned down.

Besides that though, the minis are fantastic.

>>50054651
I do. I'm just waiting on the day where I can unleash them.

Should i kill one of my 4 troops to give my HQ a Landraider? I can't deside.

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>>50055107

Mk4 is pure. PURE

>>50053386
Shoulderpad.

>>50051542
There are enough IW already and their armies are all the same...

How are you painting your Fists? Are you starting with a yellow spray? Try that, then applying a gloss coat before washing (then a matte coat to undo that).

>>50055127
MkIV is shit and that's an image of the best Mk you posted there. MkIII

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>>50055055
I made this for you.

>>50055127
MKIV is the sexiest armour mark of the all. MKIII is inferior to it, but it's not without crude and primitive charm.

MkII is the best.

>>50052365
White trim automatically makes a red mini a Thousand Son (hm, doesn't sound quite right in the singular). All three can use gold or similar shades (WB use brass, really) but only Blood Angels should have thin black trim. Word Bearers use larger black areas, if any, like the pauldron itself.

I think of TS red as the brightest of the three, even if it isn't metallic. That doesn't mean orange or pink, just bright red highlighted with a light flesh tone. Blood Angels have a blacker red in the recesses, or they should be orange if you want an old-school look. Word Bearers are either the old scab red color or a brick red shade.

>>50055193
MKIV is the reason I got into collecting Heresy era Astartes.

Are Knights worth adding to 30K armies at all? Considering a Warden or Paladin (Or both, in larger games) for my Mechanicum but would they be any good?
Would probably be running the pally with Questoris Battle Cannon (the model is the same, I think, so I can pick game to game).

>>50055235
Yes, especially with Mechanicum lists since you'll usually have a lot of high-toughness units to divide his heavy fire. Knights don't last very long otherwise.

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>>50055180
It's mainly the angry grill face of it.
And that armoured chest...
And those extra plates on the limbs, and then the pauldrons, MmMmMmmm...
Uh, excuse me for a second.

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>>50055294
Which is why I post the wrong pic, of course.

>>50055173

It's more of a REEEE than a sad frog to me

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>>50054640
Except that a mere dent would not have such sharp edges nor a hole at the bottom of it (you can clearly see the separation of the yellow armour and whatever machinery in beneath it), and anything that hits with enough force to put such a sharp and deep dent into power armour would blast the fuck out of the paint covering it, revealing the ceramite beneath.

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>>50055347
UNLESS BARE CERAMITE HAD BEEN YELLOW THE WHOLE TIME :^)

>>50055104
True. Everyone has their favorite, but those two are damn good.

>>50052365
I more or less agree with what you've stated, though, as the other guy said, TS would likely wear the brightest armour of all three. As for trim, BA would likely have black, Thousand Sons would have gold and/or white, and Word Bearers would have brass and silver, depending on their chapter. Serrated Suns, for example, used brass.

>>50055165
MkIII has the coolest helmets in art but the translation to miniatures just makes them look way too cartoony, for an already disproportionate body.

Seriously they all look like some weak third party novelty headswap.

>>50055347
>>50054640
>>50052498

Its clearly just inaccurate depiction of bullet holes. You can see the hole in the middle of every little collapsed area that is actual bare.

Actually inaccurate might be the wrong term, because nobody knows how an imaginary substance would collapse under the impact of imaginary projectiles so, I guess, autistic license.

>>50052864
Apart from face size it's great, amazing even, but I guess when you sculpt the real thing scale won't be an issue

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>>50055347

>O u O

>>50054244
>Legendary
Be quiet Lion. No matter how hard you shill for it, the Emperor is not going to sanction burning every tree in the galaxy down.

>>50055107
Pure armour marks simply look the best.
Armours deliberately mixed and heavily damaged/weathered to look like blackshields/shattered legions can look just as good, if not better, when done well.
Lazily slapping MkVII onto your BaCticals just because it's easier and/or cheaper while using "lol fuck armour autists this is MkV xD" as an excuse is the fucking worst.

>>50051542
>but I'm finding painting IFs too hard with all the potential yellow

Then dont paint them yellow, paint them black or dark silver plus yellow arm or just spray yellow then wash it with yellow, done.

You shouldnt bother about painting something good in your first try, the deciding factor for an army should be if youre having fun with it, if you like the rules and the characters because that wont change whereas your painting skills will just get better the more you paint.

Do you prefer artillery? IW might be for you, do you prefer space marines? IF are for you.

>>50055699
>black or dark silver plus yellow arm
That sounds like shit.

>>50055731
>He doesn't know.

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>>50055731
Perhaps something like this, only with more yellow.

>>50054463
Mortis ass cannons
Kheres and chain fist
Chainfist and power fist with 2 graviton guns
All in a pods and it's a tie

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>>50055731
>>50055788
You could even add some flayed skins over silver areas if you like.

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>>50055551
>You can see the hole in the middle of every little collapsed area that is actual bare.

You mean you can see the stuff underneath the armour.

If it's just "collapsed", it doesn't explain the very jagged and uneven shape, sharp edges and all that. Not to forget all the pieces that are not dents but clear scraped and ricochets that have blown stuff off pieces of the armour. They all are yellow on the inside.

>arguing about damage aesthetics of fictional armor types made by fictional weapons.

You're all not going to get very far. Just pick ones you like.

>>50055056
Of course they don't deathshroud can't be taken by alpha legion, and grave wardens are just infiltrated alpha legionaries that dug too deep into their disguise

Guys, I need help deciding a ROW for IH. Instead of going balls out with tanks, I want to put my focus around the basically T5 15-20 man tac squads, dreads, and heavy weapon teams supported by a few bikes. What is a good ROW for mainly infantry armies?

>Arguing about battle damage in fantasy armour.

This is a strain of armour autism previously unknown to mankind.

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>>50055363

>>50055881
The brains behind /hhg/ have to have something to occupy them.

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Anyone converting one of these fuckers now?

>>50055646
It's a big galaxy, Anon, and it's impossible to burn every tree. We just need to burn enough to put the rest in their place.
>>50055846
>>50055881
I think this is a new lowpoint.

>>50055341
It would look to good like that.

You gotta remember; pepe isnt a winner, and any attempt to turn him into one is a curse that will last a thousand years and a skelleton will come to eat your flesh.

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>>50055846
>>50055881
I never imagined a simple pic could entice so much autism. I mean, that's simply a painting oversight that makes it look like it was yellow all the way down to the core, and makes it look like a cave in but the borders indicate that's not the case. And whatever the explanation you want to believe, it's pointless as they are fictional characteristics of fictional damage inflicted by fictional weapons on a toy soldier game.
But anyway, have a IF skellie. Yellow to the bone. Maybe he's a Crimson Fist?

>>50055970
>Worrying wether it is an IF or CH.

Nigga, that's first and foremost a spooky skeleton.

Don't mess with spooky skeletons.

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Why do these have the Crux Terminatus on their shoulders if they're 31k ?

>>50056027
Because those are the ones made for 40k, here are the 30k ones: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Legion-Tartaros-Terminators

hey guys what's some good reading for alpha legion? Picked up BaC and gonna paint em as alpha legion, just need some inspiration for a theme.

>>50056027
Because they're the 40k variant. Here's the 30k one:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-DE/Legion-Tartaros-Terminators

>>50056027
'Cause they aren't.

>>50056062
>Legion
>the Serpent Beneath
>Seventh Serpent
>the Harrowing
>Hunter's Moon
inb4 anyone shits about Legion, yes I know, but the book still gives good insight into the legion's workings

Also, 40k stuff, still good and in spirit of AL
>We are One
>Truth is my Weapon

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>>50055902
>>50055363

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>>50056095
>>50056062
How could I forget?
Add Praetorian of Dorn to the list.

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>>50055902
I follow all of FW texts, even those that contradict each other.

>>50055790
>Chainfist and power fist with 2 graviton guns
yeah buddy

>>50056104
>The comic in ceramite-scale, rather than in color :^)

>>50056095
i
>>50056110
thanks man, appreciate it

>>50056196
Concerning Forge World, Alpha Legion features in books 3 and 6.

>>50056095
>Legion
>good

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>>50051450
I need your help, friends!

I talked shit about starting Blackshields a long time ago, but never came through.

But now I pre ordered BoP, which should arrive tomorrow.

Would putting "procurred" MKII heads on my BoP Iron guys look and be acceptable to you?

After all its basically kust slapping on some frontal armour...and of course chain-axes.

A bit of mishmash should fit a roving Band of space gypsies, shouldn't it?
Pls respond.

>>50056112
>>50055902
iirc from that blurb about the patchwork Iron Hands armour that the grey MkIV bits were also unpainted and only adorned with factory rollout decals

>>50056407
Was gonna use it, but the piece never actually calls it unpainted or bare ceramite, so one could argue that it's factory primed or something.

Also can't find a credible source on GK having polished ceramite armour. Have to keep looking.

>>50056382
Are you seriously asking a question about mixing armor marks? Seriously? After all these fucking armor autists?

Of course you can mix armor.

>>50056382
MkIII is compatible with MkII due to essentially being the same armor mark.

>>50056294
He said good insight.

It's still a good book if you think of it as a story about Imperial Army units.

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Anyone who says "Sicarian" is a useless illiterate.

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>>50056469
Well, it did fit the tone of the conversation :^)

>>50056407
>>50056439

I handle the whole bare ceramite stuff this way:

After or during production, that stuff gets a first anti oxidation (or whatever affects it) coat, this one is generally shitty looking "base coat" on which proper Legions paint their heraldry etc.

Grey Knights do throw a wrench in this, I admit..but they might just invest effort into looking spiffy or use some processes or clear medium to protect the bare ceramite.

Quick question from a first timer: which magnet sizee should I use to magnetize my BoP specials?

>>50056521
What if you're talking about the Admech Sicarians?

>>50056474
Neato.

>>50056469
Ps: If that idea does not get shat on here I am safe, call it a Litmus test.

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>>50056469
>Of course you can mix armor.

Next you want Marines to be able to adopt and SW to marry their wolves, you fuck.

>>50056533
I always thought DG had white primed armour, rather than pure ceramite.

>>50056533
>Grey Knights do throw a wrench in this
The Aegis armour may incorporate extra stuff, it's beyond mere power armour. Protects against the esoteric as well. Doesn't it contain truesilver and stuff? As well as an increased amount of adamantium.

>>50056642
I bet it has garlic in it too.

>>50056662
What do you think they keep in those little boxes on their chests if not garlic and a range of spices?

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>>50056662
I know what their bolt rounds contain. Beside the blood of the pure, of course.
>These custom-made rounds are tipped with explosive shells that contain white oak, holy water, garlic, and silver shavings, and clove leaves.
Power stakes when?

>>50056595
But SW already marry their wolves. At least, I thought that when the SW aren't riding their thunderwolves the thunderwolves are riding them :^)

>>50054773
I personally like The Eye of Horus but as they're pretty popular they're also pretty polarizing. I just have a weakness for Aussie bantz. Has a similar feel to Age of Darkness. And hey, about that. I'm A FUCKING LEAF like the AoD boys, what's wrong with Canadian Heresy m8?

[spoilers]Joking. I'm sorry, I was just joking. Sorry.[/spoilers]

>>50056595
Salamanders live with their families when off duty!

Haha!

>>50056750
>Power stakes when?
didn't they make those in Inquisitor?

>>50056825
Yeah, mothers, fathers, siblings, etc.

Shira Calpurnia has a relative who's an Ultramarine.

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>>50056825
At least they don't ride thunder salamanders to battle. It's Imperium of man, not of furries, ok. Praise the Emperor. kek

>>50056561
Then you're someone I've never seen on this board.

>>50056750
This >>50056837
And the Ordo Hereticus Inquisitors could take power stakes as well, and combi-stake-bolters.

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>>50056837
In this one? Never mind then.

>>50056609
It does seem contradictory... a lot of the fluff (like the earliest novels) say they're bare ceramite, but that only makes sense if ceramite is bone-colored. Gasp, they're wraithbone!

>>50056759
He means legally recognized. Do you know how long the Imperial courts have tried to keep them from not marrying? Since day one of the Imperium because Emps knew this issue would come, and had the foresight to make it illegal.

>>50056877
You could potentially make babbie and then be drafted, right?

Ragnars story comes to mind, even thouh he is a space pupper.

>He is a cool one though.

>>50056892
Praise Vulkan.

how long does this bread have until we bake a new one?
I've done some drawfagging related to metal gear alpharius

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>>50056916
>Space marine armour, unlike many other wraithbone constructs, isn't sung into existence
>IT IS SCREAMED INTO IT

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>>50056939
Vulkan

>>50056951
When this bread is on page 8-10 I will bake another one. Or until I get done playing my trombone.

>>50056951
Until it reaches page 10 or 9 or something like that, and it stops bumping after the 300th comment. Theres still time

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Now do you remember? Who you are? What you were meant to do? I've remained a phantom , thanks to you. And thanks to you I’ve left my mark. You have too – you’ve written your own history. You’re your own man. I’m Alpharius Omegon, and you are too… No… He’s the two of us. Together. Where we are today? We built it. This story – this “Primarch” – it’s ours. We can change the Galaxy– and with it, the future. I am you, and you are me. Carry that with you, wherever you go. Thank you… my brother. From here on out, you’re Alpharius

- The Man Who Sold the Galaxy

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>>50057024
>mfw I am an actual Alpharius
Do we know what mental disorder he suffered from at this point?

>>50057024
Niiice
>Venom Alpharius
Rather fitting, given how he's immune to Poison and fleshbane.
>Naked Omegon
Lewd

>>50057069
>>mfw I am an actual Alpharius
???
Disociative personality?

>>50057069
>>50057097
dodgy hypnotherapy

>>50057125
Sadly all my concept of hypnotherapy is based on stupid Hollywood bullshit, which is actually worse than not knowing anything about it.
What for?

>>50056939
Optimal age for implantation is between 8 and 10. You can turn adults, but the benefits will be much less than on a kid going through puberty.

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>>50057024

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make this HH-related

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>>50057259
I don't eve know why I do this.

>>50057333
>Fugg
>Honooor
>Beniat

>>50057209
But muh choser of the slain.

>>50057430
>Fugg

Surely you mean "Fuggum"?

>>50057449
Sure why not, sounds better.

Red or blue lenses for Iron Hands legion boys? Most of the 30k art I see has blue lenses whereas 40k seems to favor red (but also has some blue), but with the black/silver/bronze/red scheme we see a lot from Autek Mor's boys I feel like red might look better. The official painting guide (pic related) also has blue lenses, but there's a lot going on there that I'm not crazy about (and it doesn't look anything like the original FW paint scheme they did the Gorgons, Immortals and IH MkIII kits in).

I really want to use the style of the Red Talons Xiphon in book 6 for stuff like cockpit class and vehicle ports, which seems like it would clash with blue lenses on the infantry. I'm not planning on doing that clan company, though... either like Raukaan or one of the ones that isn't in 40k.

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>>50057521
Forgot pic somehow, I swear I selected it

>>50057521
Red. More angry.

>>50057069
Only Sane Man syndrome

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>>50057521
>>50057538
Other pic related, the Xiphon from HH6: Retribution that's oh so sexy. I really, really like the red cockpit.

Speaking of clan companies other than Mor's, are there any that specifically specialize in armoured breakthrough? What clan was Castrmen Orth in (I can't seem to remember or find it)? I know that's kind of the entire legion's schtick, but there are some definite differences (like how Avernii is the elite veteran/terminator focused clan, and Mor's is all about shock assault and has lots of disgrunted/disgraced grumps and Immortals that keep their clan insignia).

>>50057521
Red looks bloodier, more visceral, whilst blue looks more hi-tech, cold, calculating.

Both colors look great with an oily, grimey paintjob, with lots of cabling and augmentics. The real question is, do you want brutal, reckless IH or t more-machine-than-men tech-freaks?

>>50057574
>I let them know I was coming because it would have been too boring otherwise
nah

>>50057538
Is there a scan or a folder with all of these in? I've seen the images but haven't saved because mobile

>>50057521
Blue, for that cold mech look.

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>>50057259
Sure thing.

>>50057259
I want to see the Alpha Legion 3 skulls with 'F', 'U' and 'G' on their foreheads.

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>>50057622
scanon posted the raw scans as they came out, I saved them all before the PDF was compiled. it's not hard to just pull a page out of the PDF either. I'm not sure if the archives of all the raw images is hosted anywhere anymore.

>>50057613
well, I'm planning on using the IH MkIII FW kits for my token veterans and running vehicles for the rest of the list in an Armoured Breakthrough RoW. that kit is very cybernetic-y, but the red stuff looks a lot better on the tanks than the blue in my opinion.

I went back through book 2 and book 6 and literally all the art for their infantry features blue lenses for 30k era Iron Hands (even Morragul), so I think I probably will just go with that and then decide how I want to do the vehicles separately. Pic related is the closest thing the books have to that FW Mk III IH unique kit

>>50057715
I'm retarded, I just realized that's a Medusan Immortal, not a tactical or a veteran. Oh well, it's very similar.

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>>50057259

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>>50057614
You wot m8

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>>50057739
the cog in his collar even looks like a sad frog

>>50057783
I can't unsee it.

>>50057686
>*fug fuuug fffffuuuuuugggggggg*

>>50051542
You could do a pre-Heresy IF with only the right hand and pauldron painted yellow, and the rest a silvery-bronze colour.

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>>50057881
DON'T DO IT ANON! SAVE YOURSELF! SAVE YOURSELF FROM THE CYBERBULLYING!

How the hell do I achieve rhe metallic blue-green of the Alpha Legion? Is there any non-Citadel paint that is that colour?

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>>50057963

>>50057980
I don't even play AL, but damned if I don't want to paint a dude like this anyway.

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>>50057988
There's someone in these threads/the WIP threads who's painting up a display of two of every animal, I mean one of every legion. It's a neat idea, might be something to do one day.

Pic related isn't anon's, it's just by someone on a forum who had the same idea.

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>>50058057

What's a good way to equip Thallax for tankhunting? Give them tank hunters and a special weapon? Just give them tank hunters?

>>50058126
Tank Hunters, a multi-melta, or a lance gun (forget the name) or stock guns if you feel lucky.

>>50058057
It's such a shame that the EC is closer to magenta than to violet, everything else is perfect.

>>50057521
It depends on your base color. If you go for a cool black, then contrast it with red eyes. If you've gone with dark metallic gray Iron Hands then they probably look warm - or if you've weathered black IH with a dusty color. Use blue eyes for contrast in those cases.

>>50057980
That looks great, shame I don't know the names of the paints he used. Anyone able to give me a bit of help in that department?

>>50058184
That's great feedback, thanks!

>>50058187
They're at the bottom of the image dude.

>>50058213
Jesus christ I'm blind. Thanks for pointing it out though.

>>50057024
Why does one have a negroe nose and lips, whilst the other is super European

>>50057209
Could you do what they did to Kor Phaeron in 40k

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So what would you guys put in this? It has 2 access points and a combined transport capacity of 60 models.

>>50058364
>The secret they didn't want you to know
>Alpharius was black
>Omegon was white
>Yin-Yang symbolism
>You are still Alpharius.

>>50058392
Surely only the emperor's children can use that in 30k?

>>50058408
>le ebbin palantine aquila = any aquila may-may

>>50058392
Ah, the Well-Endowed Eagle of Disapproval.

I can't remember if Fortifications are exempt from the 'no different units' rule, but if they are, then a whole lot of stuff. Probably like 40 Tacs and 20 Lascannon dudes with some AA Tarantulas surrounding it to ensure nothing can come close.

>>50058408
Dang it, the EC are the only ones allowed to use the PALATINE EAGLE. NOT the Imperial Aquila.

>>50058364
RECESSIVE GENES BROTHER

its also the first drawing i've done in about five years

>>50058442
Nah, only they would use the phallic eagle cannon. Everyone else thinks its gay.

>>50058491
>Not liking the Well-Endowed Eagle of Disapproval
Shame!

>>50058452
>I can't remember if Fortifications are exempt from the 'no different units' rule

They use the same rules as transports so only one unit per fortification can be inside but the aquila strongpoint is 2 buildings, one with 30 transport capacity and the other with 20.

>>50058452
>AA tarantulas
That's something you never hear about. Are they worth taking? BS3 is a downside, but it seems more players fill their HS slots than FA slots so they're maybe easier to fit into a list.

>>50058126
>>50058145
What about Meltabombs? Tank Hunting armourbane is bound to do some damage, maybe an explosion
>>50058388
Not without Primarch DNA to enact Grabiya's theorem and correct any flaws/help with rejection. Also, Phareon was a very different procedure and barely considered a success, as that terminator armour doubles as life support frame and nursing home, and he is still T3. A fucking plasma gun Instadeaths his 3W.

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>>50057024
>>50058364
>>50058463
fixed

>>50058548
Meltabombs aren't really good on Thallax, seeing as they're PPM rather than for the whole squad, so 15 for 3, or 45 for 9, just to use a single bomb.

>>50051542
Ffs sake knight anon you useless piece of shit. Why dont you make up your own fucking mind for once instead of shutting up the general with 'pls gib advice' which you'll then go onto ignore.

Pick a legion you like for the lore or whatever rather than what is easiest to paint. I was starting to respect you for a bit since you deliver things like batreps and (mediocre) painted models but now you've just reaffirmed to me that you are nothing more than a 40kid.

>>50058663
They all use bombs still, please. FAQ draft ain't a FAQ.

>>50058663
I think you can use all three, meaning 15pts for 3.

>>50058786
Read the brb, its all there black and white

>>50058685
It's not KA, I'd feel bad if people give him even more shit because of me

>>50058392
Custodes...

>>50058786
That's in the BRB, mate.

>>50058811
>>50058861
Have you played it that way before the draft at all out of curiosity?

>>50058898
Yeah...because its in the rule book? genuinely dont get people on this.

>>50058392
>>50058852
The Custodes' mere presence should make the Well-Endowed Eagle of Disapproval more well-endowed.

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>>50058898
yes...

>>50058920
After rereading I think it's the wording on "thrown" when it talks about assault and "clamping" grenades to things in combat. Plus my store has always played all models can so I learned that way.

I'm calling bullshit on all this "I'VE ALWAYS USED IT AS ONE GRENADE PER ASSAULT."

No, you all didn't because it's not in the BRB and squad wide meltabombs wouldn't exist.

And no it's not 'back up' melta bombs, it's a waste of points if it were.

And if we're using 'thrown' as a technical term then 'clamped' is one too, thus you can only ever throw one. There's no limit on clamping.

>>50058945
It's probably the word throw that messes with things. That and that a bomb falls under the category of 'grenade'

>>50058945
>>50059022
Plus the fact that some units can only buy grenades on a unit basis rather than model, if the options were like 4th ed were it was xpts per model for grenades then that'd make more sense.

>>50059011
I'm with this nigga
why the fuck would a whole squad have grenades if they couldn't use them at the same time

>>50059011
>>50059049
Likewise. Some units have to pay a minimum of 10 meltabombs, only to use one? And suddenly dreads cannot be glanced to death?

>>50059011
>>50059022
>>50059040
Agreed. We've always played it with all grenades and bombs because fluff and it's really not game breaking if both players use it.

>>50059011
But it IS in the BRB. The problem is that people don't read the rulebook/assume 7th is too similar to 6th.

>>50058932
LOOK AT IT.

LOOK!

>>50059011
>it's not in the BRB
u wot, it is in the BRB >>50058932. One grenade per phase, plain as day.

in OLDER editions they never had that restriction. Whole squads using their grenades in assaults are a holdover from those days.

People get rules confused all the time. Sometimes we'll go a whole game using the old night fight rules and even not realize it until after we finished.

So.is it generally cool to convert a large portion of a Forge World army from GW or third-party but similar models attached? FW artillery is stupidly expensive so I was going to mount big guns into the backs of Chimeras for a similar look for about £34 a tank rather than £65.
Also is Dark Mechanicus any different to regular Mechanicum except from the special characters? So even if I convert things to look a bit Chaosy I can still ally normally?

>>50059083
>>50059104
The key word is "thrown". Then again, this is Gentleman's agreement - The Game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOEr7kiysrE

>>50059011
>>50059022
>>50059077
dubs confirm
>>50059083
it says thrown, and you dont throw grenades when you stick em to a tank
the way I see it, that's to prevent squads from overmatching with fistfuls of Krak grenades

>>50059011
>And no it's not 'back up' melta bombs, it's a waste of points if it were.
>Your whole Tactical Support Squad can buy plasma guns
>Sorry, only one can shoot per turn, the rest are backups =^)
Agreed, that's a shit reasoning.

>>50059083
>>50059104
It's one throw per phase. Show me where it's one clamp per phase.

>>50059011
>And if we're using 'thrown' as a technical term then 'clamped' is one too, thus you can only ever throw one. There's no limit on clamping.

You can't pick and choose technical terms. If you can only throw one per phase then throw is a term, which means throw as in shooting attack. Then in assault the unit can clamp grenades. No limit applies there.

>>50059120
Dark Mech isn't truly Chaos-y yet in 30k, more like using Forbidden Technology and such.

Why not just ebay the plastic Whirlwind and such?

>>50059131
Rules are rules, mate. It's bad that everyone ignores the BRB, then calls out the FAQ as false.

>>50059161
This exactly. The rules are the rules. They might be worded poorly, but they are indeed the rules.

>>50057209
>Optimal age for implantation is between 8 and 10.
I swear this gets earlier and earlier in each edition of the game.

By the time of 40k X they'll be snatching babies from their mothers' wombs.

>>50059188
when it's so ambiguous that the community is incredibly split on it, you can't just pull the rules is rules argument and act like a smug cunt who's always done it right
not a single person in my community has ever played it as one per assault phase

>>50059212
>daemonculaba.jpg

>>50059161
>>50059188
You realize it would have been way simpler to utilize the word "use" as in "a unit can only use one grenade per phase"? It even employs less characters, and I've now written three synonyms (use, utilize, employ) about whether you throw or clamp or stick or set up a grenade without confusing anyone.

It well and ruy bothers me that Thallax can only be maxed out at 9.

This means unless you go full Raging Cyborg Skeletons, there is absolutely no way for them to get 10 attacks with only lightning guns.

I mean, I know that it's extremely unlikely for anything to wipe out a 10 man unit of MEQ in one volley, but the chance to be able to do it and not be able to is what bothers me.

>>50059221
because they probably played 5th and 6th and assumed grenades operated as they did before

>>50059230
I agree wholeheartedly.

But GW and FW are incompetent at writing rules.

>>50059232
that's why ursarax exist, anon

>>50059254
>not troops
>Ordo Reductor forces you to use Thallax and supposedly hates Ursarax

>>50059242
Do I have to buy a powerfist and then upgrade it to a Terranic Greatsword or can I just buy a Terranic Greatsword?

>>50059232
>extremely unlikely for anything to wipe out 10 meq in one volley
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>>50059254
>Not troops
>Don't have Lightning Weaponry.
>Lightning claws don't count.
>Their Powerfists look dumb.
>Don't look as cool as Thallax.
At least they're S10 with them though.