>that player who insists on his character wielding a scythe

>>50031729
That story is indeed steadily on 12 degrees Celcius, my African.

>>50031729
Have you considered seeing a therapist about your autism?

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Fuck you nigga.

>>50031729
Force him to use glaive rules if you're so picky about it.

>>50031729
It's a fantasy game, you huge autismo.

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>>50031729
> Muh realism
> Muh real weapons
> Muh /k/
Hang yourself. There's only one thing worse than shoving your fetishes in the game - forcing your weapon fetishes into the game.
Nobody except for you cares if scythe is a shitty weapon, if sword is a poor choice against a man in full plate or if giant sledgehammers never existed in medieval times and are soooo unrealistic.
It's a fantasy game about casting fireballs out of nowhere, dragons whose flight defies physics and giants who violate square-cube law. Your "realism" has no place here.

Now fuck off back to /k/.

>>50031729
I agree with this for autistic weapom porn games. Otherwise it's pedantic. I mean, somebody wearing fullplate, holding a shield and a longsword is just as ridiculous if you really think about it.

>>50031844
Okay, posting anything related to Gehrman and his weapon is unfair.

>>50031729
Who cares? Yeah, you're right its wrong OP, but no one cares. Let the players have their fun. It'd be different if like a TV show had characters using farming scythes, then you could bitch because fuck thats so wrong.

>>50031729

Not to mention war scythe was a poor mans pole weapon. It's just a regular scythe with modified blade used by poor nobility or peasantry, literally modified farmtool. To top this off, it's pretty mediocre as a weapon, it's main gimmick being the reach in close combat (and ability to be repurposed to farming tool again because lol, materials are expensive) i'm with realismfags on this one, because anyone who held a farming scythe in their hands and used it even once, would think using it as a weapon the way it is is retarded.

>>50031970
No. No it isn't.

>>50032078
Yes, yes it is fuckface. Full plate is a full body shield. At the apex of it's use, two handed weapons were much prefered to shields (save bucklers in duels) because of the significant protection provided by plate already. Likewise, while longswords were capable of being used one handed, prinarily from horseback as a stabbing weapon or whilst grappling, they wouldn't normally be paired with a shield.

>>50032188
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that in real life, people who wore plate armor didn't fight people with magical weapons, or creatures like fire beetles and acid-breathing dragons very often.

>>50031729
As long as you've got a wider outward angle and actually sharpen both sides, you could have a functional battle scythe that wasn't just a spear.

Flat 90 and the blade only on the inside won't work. Somewhere around a 45 with an edge on both sides will give you something you can slash and block with at a distance, while also being able to pull it back to strike people who get past it.

Still not the most logical weapon, but it'd essentially be a specialized martial art type thing.

>>50032188
People actually did in fact, in some instances, use shields and full plate. Some of those people even used longswords.

No one who had a choice ever used farming scythes in combat.

>>50032239
>[insert] isn't realistic!
>yeah okay but neither is (insert)
>lol of course because (insert) is being used in a fantasy world where things are different and don't have to be realistic

Hmm.

>>50032358

t. every single fucking "muh realism" thread ever.

>>50032358
It's certainly not more ridiculous for people to want to use a shield plus plate armor under those circumstances, as it is for a person to want a weapon that is nearly unusable against anyone who's armed with a weapon that properly utilizes a good reach and weight distribution. A scythe isn't even sharp on the outside.
Have you ever wielded a scythe?

There is such a thing as a weapon that is less practical than another weapon, even given weapon training. That's why there's a lot of "convergent evolution" across great geographical distances.

>>50031729
Whatever happened to /tg/? Is it an influx of /tv/ shitters? We used to have mostly good threads here, now we have Op and his "muh" bullshit as just one example of board decay.

>>50032426
/qst/ stole all the creative people. We only have grognards now.

>>50032188
As maces and hammers were the true killers against plate armor, shields were rather important to defending against those blows.

>>50032426

>op presents his kinda overdone scythe argument in pretty hamfisted way
>first replies are "who cares" non-creative replies without thought-out argumentation

if anything, don't blame op, blame the board.

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>>50032419
>A scythe isn't even sharp on the outside.
Right, because in a setting where scythes are obtainable as weapons, blacksmiths clearly wouldn't sharpen them to be used as weapons.

A scythe in many rpgs is essentially just an oversized war pick or kama, both weapons that WERE used in history. You're not supposed to twirl in circles like some animu shit, but rather than use it to stab and rip. And, when we accept that these settings have MAGICAL enchantments that improve the durability and accuracy of a weapon, it's not difficult to understand how they could be used by an adventurer.

>>50032455

>/qst/
>Creative
>Waifu quest #92184381418
>Civ builder #23819453232
>Fetish quest #2824193128
>All other threads are variations of these

holy fuck questfag pls

>>50032512
Does the practicality of a fucking farm scythe in a world where wizards and dragons exist seriously need argumentation? I will blame OP - he's a faggot.

>>50031970
Are you implying that wielding anime scythes into battle and war was a real thing, common in the medieval ages?

>>50032545
Throwing rocks has also been used as a weapon, historically.
That doesn't make it as good as using a longbow.

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It can be made to work.

>>50032562

Yes, because weapon usage in fantasy worlds still seems to be based on basic laws of physics. No warrior in his right mind would use a glorified ankle-cutter with long windup as his weapon. Deal with it, scythe is just a wank material for edgelords that try to mimic a grim reaper, literal harvester of life, as in farmer. You blame this board for lack of creativity, yet you seem to perpetuate the problem by not coming up with creative arguments. Fuck off.

>>50032637
Incorrect.

Weapon usage in fantasy is based on what authors think is cool, or what authors think is realistic without doing the research.

Arbitrarily deciding one unrealistic thing is ok and another isn't allowed is you just being a shithead.

>>50032637
I would think a slow ankle cutter would be the perfect weapon for fighting giants and dragons, which are usually slow and have ankles at your height.

>>50032560
I followed precisely one quest because of the God tier writing, and even I can tell this is bullshit.

>>50032419
I've never wielded a scythe.

But then again I'm not an inhumanly dexterous warrior that puts every fighter to have ever existed in reality to shame. So how well I swing a scythe around means precisely dick.

Next you'll be complaining about Samson and his jawbone, or how Gilgamesh and Enkidu totally couldn't have used a giant chain as a weapon because that's impractical.

>>50032545

man oh man, while i agree on some points, "an oversized kama", seriously? oversized is the point here, size and weight as well as balancing play a basic role here, not to mention kama was actually a sharpened farming tool used out of necessity. besides, a scythe has a slightly curved blade, which really inconveniences slashing, since it has to be done under the right angle (hence it's used with reversed grip and moved in long arcs near the ground) so it boils down to stabbing, which has to be done in arc, preferrably from side or overhead (mostly overhead in narrow spaces, and when the ceiling is low, good luck). Then there comes the "hitbox". if you use a weapon that requires certain arching movement, why not use something with bigger contact point, like an actual poleaxe, dane axe, or such? seems really impractical to use a weapon with small contact point that requires sizeable amount of space and windup.

>>50032596
Do you really think the difference between a rock and a longbow is the same as the difference between a war pick and a sword?

Don't be a retard. The war pick was in fact the MORE effective weapon during the heyday of plate armour.

>>50032668

unless you use the weapon at height of YOUR ankles.

>>50032637
A warrior can literally pick up a fucking dining hall table and swing it if he takes the right feats - you gonna bitch about that too?

What argument needs to be goddamned made? The guy wants to use a scythe - so what? The wizard's allowed to twiddle his fingers and blow a village to the fucking stone age but the second a martial wants to use a different kind of weapon it's unrealistic? Why do you care? Yeah, it's edgy as shit - your fault for playing with the guy.

I never understood this mentality that martials have to be hamstrung by realism when literally nothing else in the setting ever is. Sorry this triggers your autism but I'd rather play with some edgy faglord who wants to use a scythe than some asshole like you trying to dictate what can and can't be done in a fucking game. At least the kid with the scythe isn't trying to tell me what I can do.

>>50032596
>Shoot a guy with a longbow, he still has a chance to walk away if the wound isn't immediately fatal.
>Brain a guy with a rock and he'll never walk off.

It all depends on the range you're fighting at, I suppose. You wouldn't use a longbow to try to shoot a guy while in CQC, but you can always grab a rock and bash a guy to death with it.

>>50032664

this is assumption is just generalization, it really depends on author.

>>50031729
>it looks retarded
It looks pretty cool, you've gotta admit.

>>50032747
Except, if you sharpen the exterior edge, you can also 'thrust' with it. And if you take the other suggestions people have given to angle it out a bit more, you're effectively dealing with a oddly shaped glaive. Which while it might not be as effective as a normal glaive, will have plenty of weird quirks to throw your opponent off guard.

With this, you can thrust or swing it at your enemy to slash at them, and if they get inside your reach you can draw it back to cut them from behind.

>>50032754

Warpick is not a farming scythe, though. and farming scythe is not more effective than a longsword against plate armor. Moving the goalposts a bit, there.

>>50032819
And a battleaxe is not a wood axe. Presumably, you could make a weaponized version of a scythe that still retains the basic shape without just calling it a spear.

>>50031729
what if I put the edge on the Outer side?

and weapons like that existed, they were used to hook people and throw them off horses,, although most often they were just pikes

>>50032770

while we're at it why not let mages use full plate and heavy weaponry? why would you even put weapon classes there to begin with? sure, i dont mind you playing a farm-scythe wielder, but at least grab some "feats" that let you use a weapon giving you a tremendous disadvantage, such as inn table or a scythe.

>Missing the point of the reaper metaphor

You're in the right OP fuck the rest of these fags in the thread they're probably the piss whizzard type

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>>50031729
Scythes are cool and Komachi is cool. OP is not cool.

>>50032805

That's a sound creative argument in my opinion. Altough i still think it will require strenghtening the blade fixing near the pole, in order to avoid folding, braking or simply glancing blows, due to blade not being aligned with thrusting force. That moves us further away from scythe design though.The scythe in OP seems to have pretty sound fixing.

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>>50032484
>maces and hammers were the true killers against plate armor
No, the true killer against plate armor is grappling and daggers. Maces and hammers were a close second.

>take halberd
>replace axe head with sword blade
>somehow render the weapon useless

I'm really not following the logic here.

>>50032840

but there is a weaponized version of scythe, it's called a war scythe.

>>50031844
In fairness that fucking thing turns into an actual war scythe where the blade is straight. So even that comparison is more accurate than whatever OP's shit edgy player wants.

>>50032967
Yeah, it requires altering a scythe, in the same way that a combat knife requires altering from a kitchen knife.

It isn't some insanely implausible use for a weapon though, and it gives the general look of a scythe, which is usually what people are after for thematic reasons.

I could easily see a religious order of a death or agriculture god developing it for use as a weapon of war.

>>50032940

>half of the blade is blocked by stupid metal "frill"

even for a scythe that's a retarded design.

>>50032617
Posting the worst character from a game does not help this argument, man.

>>50033052
That's not Tira though.

>>50032637
>weapon usage in fantasy worlds still seems to be based on basic laws of physics.
Rarely, if ever, has this been the case.

>>50032981

contact point, balancing, waste of metal, windup, wieldiness? It's not useless, it's much less useful.

>>50032992
And as I said, you could likely make a design for a battle scythe that isn't just turning it into a spear.

>>50033018

i applaud you sir, that's a creative idea right there, with actual lore bits a player could get behind.

>>50033074
Some of those are more minor things that could be fixed with slight changes. And 'not as useful as a halberd' isn't the best criticism of a melee weapon.

Would it look like a scythe? Yes. Could you use it decently in combat? I don't see why not.

>>50032917
>Missing the point of the reaper metaphor
Absolutely this. I don't see what's "badass" about the grim reaper's scythe only cutting the souls out of people who are already too damaged to dodge or fight back.

>>50033119

Well, you could say they're ripe for harvest. It's a sound point for a person actually taking reaper metaphor in mind.

>>50033105
Thanks, I'm glad you think so.

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>>50031844
Here, have a less grimdark scythe-user too. Just in case.

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>>50031729
heathen I will fucking end you

>>50031729
>that player who insists on being able to create spontaneous fire using bat poop and a stick
>keeps repeating "muh magic" when you tell him there are no flamethrowers in fantasy world
Magic isn't real, you fucking retard. These piece of shit fucking players trying to get this dumb garbage past me, I swear to god. Magicians don't create fire, they pull cards out of their sleeves and pretend to saw people in half. What you want is not what a mage is, I can't make it any clearer than that.

>>50033295
False equivalency. Magic exists in this fictional setting.
A weapon shaped like a farming scythe does not exist, and cannot be effective due to basic geometry. The only sharp edge is facing the worst possible direction.

>>50031729
If the other end is sharpened, it might be able to function a bit like a battle axe or a polearm.

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>>50033020
Komachi's actual scythe is a wavy piece of junk, because it's not really a weapon. She's a grim reaper, it comes with the job. She's more like Charon then anything else, and the scythe is used predominantly as a boat oar for ferrying across the river of the afterlife.
If she's using it on a person, it's going to be surging with magic and reap their soul, blade quality be damned.

>>50033293
>using that game as an example of good anything

>>50031729
so, yet another op with autism, it seems

>>50033451
So give it another sharp edge like everyone keeps suggesting? It isn't impossible to make a battle scythe that keeps the general shape.

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>>50032596
What about enchanted rocks tho?

Checkmate atheists

>>50033015
No it fucking doesn't. Quit pulling fanfiction out of your ass. It's a one handed sickle sword and a two handed scythe.

That weapon is anime as fuck. War scythes are for massive faggots.

>>50033709

>war scythe is for faggots
>anime is for faggots

i don't see the point of this insult.

>>50031729
but farming scythes look cool

>>50033957
If he doesn't come in and throw a bitch fit about it, how will people know to stop liking what he doesn't like?

i don't really have anything against scythes being used as weapons in games that are clearly not going for realism.

but damn it annoys me when they give them ridiculously big blades and put no counter weight on the other end

>>50031729
>>that player who insists on his character wielding a scythe in combat, specifically a farming scythe, with the blade perpendicular to the haft
I ask why and insist upon a reason that "makes sense" and is consistent with the setting.

>>keeps repeating "muh war scythe"
I distract the fictional windowlicker with something shiny

>when you tell him to pick a real weapon
I eat a Snickers. Apparently I'm not myself when hungry and am some sort of asshole who just spouts"pick a real weapon" instead of communicating.

>>50033018
This guy knows what's up.

You can try to talk a player out of a bad idea.
You can take a bad idea and turn it into a good idea.
You can let a player use a bad idea.
You can veto an idea that hurts the game.
Immediately vetoing an idea because you think it's bad is the worst and most boring option.

>>50031894

>Everyone has to play exactly the same way I play and there's no way OP could possibly have been playing historical fantasy or some similar genre

Go fuck yourself

>>50034531
>there's no way OP could possibly have been playing historical fantasy or some similar genre
Not that anon, but look at OP's pic, how they mention "your character portrait", and then tell me that historical accuracy is implied.

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>>50034531
Shouldn't he then be triggered by the character being a woman warrior?

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OP's a faggot, news at 11

>>50032560
>implying that's somehow worse than the dulge of "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!" threads that have flooded /tg/ in place of the quests

I can't tell if it's denial or just plain old hypocrisy but either way it is delicious

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>>50033251
Neo should have been gutted in this scene.

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>>50031729
>wanting an edgy weaboo weapon
>It's supposed to be an actual weapon, not a casting focus
>not choosing the superior Kusarigama

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>>50032426
>Whatever happened to /tg/?
An influx of shitters would explain it.
There are still quality posters and discussion, even in this very thread.
But there are too many that are quick to try and be cool by shitting all over everything mixing in with the raging autists, perverts, and assholes that have always been here.
The quality posts are harder to spot.
And when most of the above are the ones making the threads, you get shit.

The bottom line is that a quality poster will start a thread for a reason and about something they want to discuss.
A shitter will start a thread cause they're bored, want to start shit, or whatever else.

>We used to have mostly good threads here
More good threads? Yes.
Mostly good threads? Sure gramps.

>>50034515

judging by the ore, explosives and mining helmet, isn't that just a giant pickaxe?

>>50035451
a giant AWESOME pickaxe

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>>50032747

Because you don't have a pole axe or a dane axe, you have SCYTHE.

>>50032770

Because the fighter is supposed to represent a mundane person being interjected into a fantasy world and remain a constant between a hundred different settings that handle magic in a hundred different ways. It's why the Male Human Fighter has become such an ingrained archetype in-setting, because they represent a straight man and a point of reference from which the rules of a game are defined around.

It's the same reason why people sperg over firearms in most settings even if they're no more dangerous than the hundred magical weapons (looking at you, Wand of Magic Missile) that already exist and logically should/would have made knights irrelevant themselves. Said people also forgot that Lancers and Swordsmen existed IRL until the end of World War II: you heard that right, MHF was a thing in contemporary history, and they have only been rendered extinct for what is currently a tiny fraction of human history.

>>50031844
>>50032617
>>50033293
>>50033251
>A character I like uses a scythe
>Ergo scythes are totally pragmatic and useful weapons
Look if you want to use a stupid weapon because you think it looks cool, own up to it. If the GM is running a game that focuses on practical weapons to where you cannot effectively use a farming scythe as a weapon than deal with it, either use a shitty weapon, use a non-shitty weapon, or find another game. There is nothing wrong with a weeb game where people run around with scythes and dual katanas and shit, but if the GM doesn't want to run that game you need to adapt or leave.

>>50035707
>>A character I like uses a scythe
>>Ergo scythes are totally pragmatic and useful weapons
No one's saying that.
They're just pointing out that sometimes it doesn't look as retarded as OP claims.

>>50035706
That's not even remotely the case. At best, human commoner is the point of reference to use, since that's intended to be an average medieval peasant.

Using Fighter as some sort of standard based around whatever the people at the table think is 'realistic' is stupid. The realistic versions of Fighters are the NPC warriors who make up the town guard or armies.

Fighters are intended to start off as skilled or veteran in their own right and grow into things of legend. Beowulf is what you should think when you see a fighter. Fighters get past Olympic athlete levels by level 6 and keep going from there.

Fighters are hardly mundane.

>>50031729
call me a retard, but I think, a scythe like this could be still used as a weapon...

Theres a major point to consider with the fact that the PC isn't some normal human that has to put in effort just to stab someone.

It's perfectly acceptable for a demigod that can go toe to toe with 10 foot tall herculean monsters to be able to chop stuff in half with a blade on a stick.

>>50035745
It still looks kind of retarded. Even when it doesn't it still doesn't defeat the point that it is a shitty weapon and shouting "muh war scythe" doesn't make your farming scythe a good weapon.

>>50035782
I think you could, but it'd be tricky. You wouldn't want to swing it around like you're cutting grain, since it's got a weird arc for that.

I almost want to say you should hold it upside down, with your lower hand right near the blade to guide it and the other near the middle for leverage. Use the haft to help block and parry attacks, and then when there's an opening you can swipe upwards with the blade, using it a bit like a short sword.

Holding it like that means the edge is facing upwards and more toward the enemy, and having your hand close by means you'd be making short controlled thrusts compared to wide arcing sweeps. The curve of the blade would help in getting around enemy shields though.

Main benefit over just using a curved shortsword and a shield would probably be the ability to two-hand it for war-pick or war-hammer style strikes when needed, or using it as a quarterstaff for martial arts, but that's rather niche.

Still, at that point it's hardly being wielded like a scythe.

>>50035841
never said, that is a good weapon, but you could still use it as an improvised one...

>>50035876
Yeah, just take the head off and you got a long stick to whack people with.

>>50031729
I'm amazed that you're all arguing about the scythe, and not pointing out how much of a faggot this guy is for taking a character portrait totally literally. The player says they're using a war scythe you fucking sperge. What, do you never let your players change armor either? If they get a new ring do they have to draw it on their finger for you to accept it?

>>50035841
Easiest way would just be to use a modified scythe. Build it so the point is about at a thirty degree angle from the anchor point on the haft, so there's enough of a gap to hit people with, and use it to either attack with, specifically, the point, or by drawing it back on every swing, to make long, dragging cuts on the target.

>>50031844
>>50032940
>>50033251
>>50034451
>>50034559
etc.
>posting weeb shit
You are just supporting OPs claim of how retarded it is

>>50036988
>complaining about Anime
>on 4chan

>>50035706

ah, so you're just fishing for (you)s.

Thread's over guys, OP is a faggot.

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>>50035706
>Because the fighter is supposed to represent a mundane person

Are you for real?

>>50036693
>The player says they're using a war scythe you fucking sperge.
Read it again.
The player specifically said he wants to use a scythe with a blade perpendicular to the haft, which is not a war scythe.
He thinks just because they're both called scythes they must be equally effective.

>>50036988
>bloodborne
>anime
>expecting to be taken seriously
put more effort into your b8 anon

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>>50034531
Judging from OP, they were clearly not playing hystorical fantasy

>>50038232
He can still be playing high fantasy with a higher degree of realism that some JRPG.

Just because the wizard can fling fireballs doesn't mean that all physics stop applying. "It's all fiction/fantasy" is a cop-out. Even fiction has rules.

It's up to OP to decide what the rules of his setting are.

On the other hand, if I was in OPs situation, even if I was running a 100% historical simulationist campaign, I'd still let a player make a character with a farming scythe for a weapon, I'd just apply all the appropriate penalties and let the player learn by himself that it's a bad idea.

>>50038320
>He can still be playing high fantasy with a higher degree of realism that some JRPG.

This is true.

However, you need to stop strawmanning the other side of the argument as something unique to JRPGs in an attempt to discredit it. It's a shameful way of arguing.

Do you really think there are no creatures/characters in western fantasy that use scythes? There are fucking tons, especially in old English folklore.

>>50035706
>Because the fighter is supposed to represent a mundane person
i wish i had my reaction images
but i'm not sure i would be able to find one for a statement this dumb

>>50038338
Read the entirety of a post instead of replying to the first sentence.

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>>50038339
here
>>50035706
>Because the fighter is supposed to represent a mundane person

How do you use a regular scythe in a fight with presumably skilled opponents?

>>50034671
What are some settings where my familiar can be a weapon

>>50032545
That thing there is tiny, Anon. It's a one-handed pickaxe, basically.

Also
>OP hasn't read good old Mayr and seen the nutty shit he recorded

>>50038350
Well, he isn't a caster.

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Ich hört' ihr redet schlecht über Mair. Macht das mal in der Öffentlichkeit anstatt in eurem Kämmerchen.

>>50031844
To be fair, isn't gehrman literally a farmer or something?

>>50033251
>>50035004
RWBY unerageb& retards fuck off. I mean holy shit how bad a taste can a person possibly have.

OP, is the player demanding that his scythe character be effective in your setting or just he want to play a dude with a scythe?

If its the former, he can go fuck himself.

If its the latter, let him. Its not your responsibility to prevent your players from making retarded choices.

>>50038406
What am I looking at here?

>That guy who makes a thread on /tg/ every single time he encounters something he doesnt like

>>50038438
Mair's bid for political power, which left him ruined.

Dude tried to get a fencing treatsy published that collected pretty much anything imaginable, but he ultimately couldn't shoulder the cost. What we got out of it are chapters of folks fencing with scythes.

>>50038338
>especially in old English folklore.
I can't think of a single character from folklore that uses a two handed scythe for battle.

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>>50031729
Have you ever seen a scythe fight, anon?
Here were I'm from, we have scythe fights when people get angry. I've seen one, and let me tell you, its a fucking terrifying weapon against unprotected body parts. High risk, but the prize...

>but muh armored enemies
Even swords are fucking near useless against armored targets you dingus, people needed to half-sword just to get anything done and that is praying to hit the gaps in the armor. If the rules of the game say scythes are as effective as anything else and that triggers your autism, maybe you should stop playing that..

>>50038487
It looks like a terrible way to fight a guy.

>>50038496
>there are only two kinds of armor
>no armor at all
>full on Renaissance-era plate
Swords are plenty effective against many kinds of armored opponents.

>>50038496
>Here were I'm from, we have scythe fights when people get angry
Why should I trust your opinion on anything? This does not make you seem trustworthy.

Here's a question nobody seems to address.

Why would somebody bother training to fight with a scythe? Sure, I can see somebody grabbing one in the heat of the moment or out of desperation, but if you were going to invest years upon years of your life to get good with a weapon, why would you pick a scythe over literally hundreds of other weapons available to you?

>>50032980
>skipping leg day

>>50031894
I can't, its blocked here at my work :(

>>50038538
Religion.

>>50033020
I'm gonna be the guy to point out, komachi's scythe is mostly for show. I can't remember who said it, her or shikieiki, but they go on to state that people are more easily accepting of death if there's something that can quickly act as a symbol of death on just seeing it. She's a ferryman, not an actual reaper. Her actual use of the scythe in the games is mostly to facilitate her ability, or in large sweeping strikes.

So no, she doesn't actually try to use it as a pragmatic weapon. Its literally for show. Komachi is a bad example.

>>50038562
Why would a religious institution willingly cripple the combat power of its followers?

When push comes to shove, a religion will always drop their traditions for pragmatism, and justify itself afterwards, or they'll cease to exist in favor of more pragmatic religions.

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>Komachi
Great taste right there.

>>50038538
Look at the real world. Sometimes, the only reason a person needs is "because I like it" or "because fuck you, that's why".
A boy might have swung around a scythe for years on the farm, then decided that it was just what he liked the best when the war came.
A man might have killed the man who raped his daughter with a scythe because it was at hand, then decided that he was going to kill the rest of the gang that spurred it on in the same way.
A farmer's daughter might have turned up at the militia garrison with a farming scythe and gotten laughed out, then decided that she was going to show all of these people up by becoming good with it.
Hell, there might even be an entire knightly order devoted to the legend of a folk hero who had put down his sword and shield for good, and when his village was attacked in his old days, he fought back using only a scythe. The order fights with farming scythes to show that they work first and fight second, and that they don't believe in using a weapon that can only be used for killing.
It's your world, and you should be able to make up its cultures.

>>50037108
>muh 4chan is a safe space for muh animays
>>>/a/

>>50038223
Well excuse me for thinking that was Dark Souls, which are basically weeb shit. They look similiar, especially such a shitty screenshot

>>50031729
>[thing] isn't realistic!
Haha yeah it's cool as fuck though.
>[thing] looks retarded!
That's just your opinion dude, I like over the top shit and you cannot stoop me.
>Pick a [realistic variation of thing]!
Nah I'm good. You have fun with your character and that but the game lets me shred with this fuckin thing so I'm gonna do me.

>>50038510
You got me, but I actually mean it more in a way that both are pretty useless against full plate. Of course I don't intend to say that scythes are just as good as swords, because that's like saying a carpentry hammer is as good as a warhammer. One is a tool for doing stuff, other is a tool for killing.

It's just that in fantasy words where we have people using plain longswords to cut through full plate made of admithrildamantine and people don't even batting an eye to that, scythes being used as proper weapons isn't more ridiculous than any other stuff that happens there.

>>50038518
Because I'm a seasoned scythe fighting veteran ofc, couldn't you tell
Also just noticed that dumb typo, don't mind it.

>>50038617
Your last point just sounds like a conflict of interest. Either you or your DM is not going to have a good time.

Over the top anime doesn't work unless everyone is doing it.
Likewise realism doesn't work unless everyone is doing it.

It's like having the one super serious guy in a group of people having comedic adventures.

>>50038617
>but the game lets me shred with this fuckin thing
What if it doesn't? What if using a scythe would literally cripple your character combat-wise?

Go ahead and pick the "cool" weapon, don't expect the GM or the system to accommodate you, though.

>>50038636
>fantasy words

God damn it I hate this keyboard

>>50038647
>What if it doesn't?
I wouldn't be using it, duh.

>What if using a scythe would literally cripple your character combat-wise?
Probably pick the biggest axe I can find or something rad like that.

>Go ahead and pick the "cool" weapon, don't expect the GM or the system to accommodate you, though.
If that means the GM suddenly decides the scythe no longer does the damage the book lists or decides to "fluff" the blade getting stuck in everything or just bouncing harmlessly off armor or whatever the GM's a pissy little cunt who's buttflustered because I didn't want to use the weapon he likes and I'm not gonna play with his faggot ass.

>>50038673
>If that means the GM suddenly decides the scythe no longer does the damage the book lists
He's free to do that as long as he warns you before you pick a scythe.

If he doesn't warn you then he's a faggot and you shouldn't play with him.

>>50038591
>Why would a religious institution willingly cripple the combat power of its followers?

Crazy cults sacrifice themselves, go crazy, and devote themselves to evil gods with little to no chance of compensation for it when all is said and done.

Not everything is done for solely logical or pragmatic reasoning. Especially in fantasy land where rule of cool will generally supersede logic anyways.

so in summation, because they fucking can, because they fucking want to, because its in homage to someone that did something badass, because its something their god does, literally any number of fucking reasons.

Also, you apparently do not know what a zealot is.

>>50038687
That's fair, but I'm probably just gonna pick a character build that lets me use Large weapons and get a giant's warpick or just get two of the regular sized ones and rip ass with those.

>>50038692
>Especially in fantasy land where rule of cool will generally supersede logic
If your setting is like that, then I really can't present an argument.

I prefer my fantasy lands to be logically consistent and keep rule of cool to a minimum and within the bounds of reason. If there was such a thing as "hard fantasy" (like hard sci-fi), that's the kind of setting I like. OP might be doing the same.

scythes make more sense than the average animu spikes-everywhere-heavy-as-shit megaweapons and such things as the classic "slab on a stick" greathammers, double bitted greataxes or even whips

the reason why scythes aren't used as proper weapons is that they are awkward as fuck to swing and is usually heavier and more unbalanced than real weapons, causing you to run out of stamina real fucking quick, and you wold simply be better of to grab a pitchfork or an woodchopping axe as a farmer.

but it still comes down to "sharp thing on a stick" so it is still technically functional as a weapon, in the same sense that a frying pan is technically functional as a weapon.

>>50038750
>awkward as fuck to swing and is usually heavier and more unbalanced than real weapons
Also because, being farming instruments, their blade is really thing and not solidly mounted and their shaft is a funky shape.

>>50038723
The issue with this is that unless you are doing a super accurate historical type setting, no magic whatsoever, rule of cool is always present. Magic in and of itself consists of rule of cool, and its very existence makes small things like how pragmatic a farming scythe is as a weapon a largely moot point.

And even then, in sci-fi, its the same. You've got lasers, and special materials for all sorts of different purposes. Sci fi in and of itself is largely rule of cool as well, so trying to argue the pragmatism of an energy scythe over an energy sword of some sort is largely useless, especially when there's long distance laser weapons and such. Ordinance of all sorts. Explosives.

The issue with this argument is that regardless of the setting, its cherry picking. There is really all of 1 or 2 subsets that actually make it a thing, and even then it hardly actually matters.So in summation, it takes an extremely slim and focused subset of "fantasy" to actually make the argument feasible, and even then its hard to tell if thats what would be considered fantasy at all.

Its at the point that you are derailing the game, for nearly no reason, of your own volition as the DM based solely on an argument of pragmatics that shouldn't even be taking place, in all but 1 or 2 cases.

>>50038798
Thats not to say the argument itself isn't valid, just that its largely pointless and you are wasting time.

>>50038798
Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. Particularly on the sci-fi part. Go read some hard sci-fi, it usually consists of taking a couple of concepts as a given, and seeing how far they can run with that, and go out of their way to keep everything as plausible as possible. Lasers (in their usually pop culture incarnation, anyway), energy swords and what have you aren't really hard sci-fi, they're not even soft sci-fi, it's just heroic fantasy with a space skin stuck on top.

Same with fantasy in the harder settings. Just because you accept the existence of magic as one of your premises doesn't mean that everything else must immediately go out of whack. Magic still has rules it must obey, physics still works in a way similar to our world.

Your premise that because I have to suspend my disbelief on a couple of points means that I have to suspend my disbelief on everything is faulty.

>>50038320
>JRPG

Yes you tell those weeaboos and their Warhammer Fantasy Battle and Forty Kay Jap RPGs to fuck right off to /a/, go you.

>>50038852
I'm not saying you have to suspend your disbelief on everything. But you would be making a mountain out of a molehill out of this thing that in any other situation is largely fluff that bears no impact whatsoever on most aspects of things.

Thats largely my point. The argument, from an observer perspective, is largely useless because its not impossible, and not even improbable. When you are already in a land of make believe, just let the fucker have his scythe and get on with things. If its got its stats, okay.

Its literally a semantic argument with nothing to it but wiki knowledge on either side. You are both nerds sitting around a table to play a game. Instead of arguing the debate-able pragmatism of something you have no way of actually proving, regardless of your scientific knowledge, just play.

I guess my point is that you should be trying to have fun, not sperging out over a weapon choice, especially one that isn't even remotely improbable.

>>50038934
Extra points if the guys a farmer-turned-adventurer, even.

Rather than arguing the pragmatism of using a scythe, it would be more interesting to explore WHY he uses it. y'know, roleplaying.

>>50038637
>It's like having the one super serious guy in a group of people having comedic adventures.

But that guy is vitally important to any comedic adventure.

>>50031729
A sycthe with a straight haft could be used as a weapon not a tool, the took scythe requires a specific crook to be able to properly harvest wheat, so the image you are using could be used as a weapon the only problem with it is you must cut towards yourself, which reduces your reach, which is why in games like dnd the scythe does not get reach unlike 90% of other polearms.
Also ideally you would not curve the very edge inwards so you could cut into someone sideways with the piercing tip and pull towards yourself.
It is not the most practical weapon but neither are things like spiked chains, whips, clubs, ect.
But it would have similar issues with the Poleaxe where it is also an awful offence weapon due to the weight of the head, it would also require someone with excessive skill in using it to actually fight with. The best option would be to fight someone with a spear or some other polearm, as someone with a shorter weapon will skewer you in close range well you swing around your inward facing polarm.
The reason a weapon would not be used like this enmass is the training time vrs any other weapon.

>>50038975
I don't mean one guy is playing the straight man or playing a serious character.

I mean the guy is serious and wants to play a serious campaign. Gets mad at people doing stupid/goofy decision (regardless if it's IC) and getting mad when people make OOC jokes, especially if it drags on too long.

We had one, at one point we were going on with a bit for a good 3 minutes. Just gut busting and we couldn't breathe and then he suddenly cut through the laughter getting really angry that we're wasting time and we should get back to playing.

He was not having a good time and he was constantly ruining the mood. He's a good person but he wants a completely different experience from D&D than the group does. That is what I mean by conflict of interest. His idea of entertainment is not wrong, just not what we want.

I'm sure he left and managed to find some group of like minded individuals and I'm sure they're having the time of their life.

>>50039001
What if its bladed on both sides?

>>50035706
FUCK

YOU

>>50039028
Still a bad weapon because you can't get much force behind it most the force will be at the point which is why the only thing you see with a similar design is a pick.

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>>50035706
>Because the fighter is supposed to represent a mundane person being interjected into a fantasy world
are you fucking retarded?

>>50031729
>That player who insists his character can cast magic spells even though magic isn't real
Seriously what don't these people get?

Guys, a suggestion. What if, where you had the shaft of the scythe, you also had a blade on the inside so you could have something more akin to a greatsword (albeit only on one side) so that, even if you miss with the scythe blade, there was another blade to hit them with? If that makes sense.

>>50039047
But your argument was that it being bladed on the inside generally reduces the range at which it can be effectively used. sharpening the other half at least alleviates this issue, and people seem to forget that getting hit with the haft would probably hurt as well. Its basically a quarterstaff with a long blade on one end, so its not like the blade itself is the only thing capable of doing damage. Even missing with the blade itself, only to hit with the haft on the inside end would probably deal a good amount of damage. especially if its got some good momentum going.

As well, it being sharpened on both sides makes it viable as a method of area control, since people won't easily approach something that can just be moved forward slightly to slash at them, comparatively to it being bladed only on the inside where they have to worry much less. The weight of the blade could also be used to make it a makeshift blunt weapon if swung with the blade away from, rather than towards the person.

Simply sharpening the other end does a fair amount to make it a viable weapon, i would say. as useful or pragmatic as a sword or axe? or a mace or other blunt weapon? probably not. But it would get the job done.

What is it about scythes that enrages /tg/

>>50032980
Does that guy's shield say "cock-ring"?

>>50039152
Armchair theory about what is or isn't a reasonable weapon. Complaining that having the blade on one side and a weird haft are huge issues, then saying it's still bad even if somebody proposes a version that fixes those issues.

Also seen as an edgy weapon.

>>50039152
It's anime and anime is ew

>>50039152
We've seen this thread and variations of it a hundred fucking times. The only people left who give enough of a shit to respond are perpetually assravaged complainers

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>>50039152
All the guys who are excellent to each other left in disgust after japmoot added attack ads and fucked with the board, it seems.

>>50031729
Anyone who's using a scythe as a weapon in an RPG is not concerned by realism, so there isn't any point in trying to make an argument from realism.

They want a scythe because of the imagery and implied badassery of a scythe as a weapon. That's part of the fantasy they're trying to play out this game.

Unless your game is very strictly about realism, just let it go and let people have fun. If it bugs you that much, just imagine they're using a warscythe and ignore their art.

>>50039278
>let people have fun
NEVER

>>50039152
Can't stand the peasant swag.

>>50033495
Even in the fighters, she barely uses her scythe as a weapon. She usually uses it more like a pole/spirit staff than a bladed weapon. Most of the times she's poking the enemy with the weighed part of the staff, or trying to slip the blade behind the ankles and then pull. But being a hou, she depends way more on projectiles, of which she's got wind blades, coin tosses, slow moving harmful spirits meant to zone and earth crawling spirits, and some space distortion fuckery.

>>50031894
>It's a fantasy game about casting fireballs out of nowhere, dragons whose flight defies physics and giants who violate square-cube law. Your "realism" has no place here.
>all rpgs are d&D
Maybe OP's game was meant to be a historical one?

>>50032637
If these people were smart they'd just have the sycthe be a type of staff for casting shit and not be used as a weapon at all, that way you can keep the grim reaper image without having an utterly ridiculous weapon.

But they're not.

>>50032770
I think the problem is that wanting your character to wield a scythe is the same as wanting them to wield a feather duster. I mean sure it could be a "magic" feather duster that's somehow an effective weapon because fantasy, but why not just have an actual weapon instead?

>>50033295
>creating a new fictional thing that's explicitly explained
>taking a real world thing and making it behave completely differently for no adequately explained reason
Slight difference there m8.

>>50034613
Maybe they're a brainwashed feminist drone who actually thinks female warriors are historical outside of a few extremely specific contexts?

>>50038320
>Even fiction has rules.
Nope, fiction isn't allowed to have rules or else it's evil badwrongfun and all the autists ITT will sperg out at you for it.

>>50038338
>There are fucking tons
Could you please name some? Outside of the grim reaper I can't think of any famous scythe wielders outside of games. Who am I missing?

>>50038798
>The issue with this is that unless you are doing a super accurate historical type setting, no magic whatsoever, rule of cool is always present
Why?

>>50038798
>I don't give a single solitary fuck about consistency in my fictional settings
>therefore nobody should
You have autism.

>>50032780
He said throwing a rock, not using as a melee weapon. You can also stab a guy in the head with an arrow and he'll never walk it off.

>>50039945
Maybe he should add that in his post but since he didn’t it is about the general weapon choice.

>>50033451
It's a fictional setting. Anything can exist if the author/GM/whatever wants it.

>>50033451
Neither could a dragon exist or fly due physics.

>>50038320
>He can still be playing high fantasy with a higher degree of realism that some JRPG.

If that's the case, he should at least make that clear while whining about it on 4chan.

>>50038538
>Available to you

Maybe the character grew up on a farm and couldn't afford a real weapon, and so trained to use farm tools as weapons

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I cropped all that gay shit from the OPs image so you can use it as character art.

>>50038538
Why would anyone bothering to learn to fight with a spear when the halberd exists?
Why would anyone bothering to learn to fight with a short sword when the long sword exists?
Why would anyone bother to learn to fight with a shortbow when composite longbows exist?

This runs into the same problem faced on many things on TG.

A poster will talk about something that, under most circumstances, is impossible and obviously so with even basic knowledge.

Then someone will jump to the rescue yelling "BUT ITS A GAME! IT'S ALL FANTASY."

And you know what, they're both right.

The massive hooked scythes of videogame and grim reaper fame? As weapons they did not exist IRL, and even if they did, they would be absolutely fucking retarded garbage tier weapons. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply wrong and demonstrates a clear lack of background on the topic of weaponry, combat basics, and military technology.

But on the other hand, why shit on someone having a fun time in a game? There's no reason they couldn't have a MAGICAL hooked scythe that cuts apart the fabric of reality as it swings, making its retarded design not matter at all as it rips the material form of its victims asunder.

I think in the end, stuff like this comes down to a judgment call about how detailed and simulationist you want your game to be, and then not being a dick about it. I mean, after all, practically no one seriously dual wielded IRL, and that's in every fucking system ever written.

I draw the line at lizard tits though. Fantasy and games be damned, lizard tits means that someone made the decision to put mammaries on a reptile, knowing full well that violates the entire concept of reptile as well as basic sense, because they're too horny to care (Furries) or too stupid to conceive of alternate methods that a reptilian race have to signify gender (Elder Scrolls Devs).

>>50040674
The art sucks though

>>50031729
Senpai, if a scythe doesn't fit your setting, tell him he can't play a scythe wielding character

If it's high, or even mid-fantasy, you need to stop letting your own aesthetic preferences shoot down things that players enjoy.

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Most more scythe.

>>50040733
What if they're inflatable crests used for mating displays?

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Just keep adding blade

>>50038591
Really? Even when their god is an actual physical entity they can talk to who wrote rules that demanded they use symbolic weapons like scythe or sickles, or else they don't get any divine magic?

Picking up a sword in that case is a detriment compared to just inventing a better combat scythe.

At a point it's going to basically be a khopesh or a really curved saber on the end of a pole, so why worry that a basic farming scythe isn't a good weapon?

>>50031729
It's significantly less weird then a lot of martial arts weapons. I'd let them use it.

>>50035038
Well that's awesome. How do I describe that to my GM without them knowing I'm a weeb?

>>50038562
This was my thought too. it works for agrarian/death based deities.
>>50038591
It counts as a +10 weapon versus undead when wielded by a devout follower of Morr.
Or whatever other reason you feel like making up.

>>50032805
A thrust with a really wide edge is nowhere near as effective as a thrust with a point though.

What if my character IS a peasant, thrust into a world he doesn't understand?

>>50039244
Not really, it was like this before too. And it's not like people appreciated the sticky even when it was made.

>>50041126
Just say 'one of those ninja weapons yo!'.

The chain isn't long enough on the one in the image and the weight looks too big as well.

>>50041140
I guess you could do a sliding cut with the outer edge, then hook the inner edge around them and pull or cut again.

>>50041014
Judging from the outfit I'm pretty sure this is a stage performer, not an actual warrior.

>>50041201
You could but it would be laughably easy to parry with any other weapon I can think of.

>>50038608
>>>>/a/
You mean >>>/tg/

>>50032455
t. questfag

>>50041126
Say it's a sickle with a grappling hook.

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>>50031729
that's not even a real scythe

here is one. look at it. the blade is fucking sideways.

Jesus christ, if you have rules in your game for a scythe let the llayer use it or find another system that is more realistic/simulationist. If you don't, then don't. Wow problem solved. Fucking spergs, Jesus

>>50032669
While he's being unrealistic, there are wt least 10 anike quests on /qst/ as we speak, and around 6+ that can be described as 'fetish' (subjective, of course. There could be more, or less)
There's likely several civ threads, if I cared to count.
It's not literally 3 threads copy pasted, but there is a startling number of anime quests

>>50041140
Perhaps, but you can also swipe and swing with it.

Being slightly less efficient at one thing while having other upsides like being better able to hold people at bay or strike those who get past the tip isn't really a dealbreaker for a weapon.

Your entire argument hinges on the idea that any sort of scythe could never be a decent weapon ever, while all I have to prove is that it could be. Which I have, because you just said so yourself that its just 'less efficient' rather than 'not effective at all'.

Plus, nothing stops you from making it more like a halberd and giving it some extra spikes and hooks.

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>>50039173
I believe it does

>>50041331
Anime, not anike

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>>50031729
To be completely fair it would mostly depend on the gm & campaing.

Exampe 1)
If it's a goofy anime-esque campaign and you keep making a fus on another player's character concept it just makes you look like an asshole.

Example 2)
It's a new player and they want to try something they think is cool. If the DM is ok with it your pouting makes you look like an asshole. if the DM is not ok with but does not kick the player they're a pussy.

Example 3)
If it's a semi-realistic campaign and the dm allows it just suck it up.
you can keep bitching to the dm but the player will just hate you

>>50041126
The most normie approach I can think:
>I've been thinking about ninjas, and digging around I've seen this thing here, its like a small scythe for fast shanking with a weighed chain you use to choke some bitch with when you try to be silent, mind if I try it for a while?

>>50041331
/qst/ is nothing like quests on /tg/ though.

Most of the dedicated QMs left and no new QMs from /tg/wanted to put up with the terrible design of /qst/, what with the IDs encouraging inter-player bitchfests and rivalry-based voting and the bump/thread limit meaning you can't really do multiple chapters per week.

/qst/ is populated by the final few stubborn oldfags willing to put up with the board's shit design until their quest is finished and they can move elsewhere, and awful newfags or meme kings that would never have been tolerated on /tg/, and only get sporadic players that basically attend for one thread where they spam so randumb replies until they get bored.

Basically, /qst/ a shit. Blatant fetish quests weren't even allowed on /tg/, with, I think, two surviving on account of being super unobtrusive and having titles that made them seem normal.

>>50041361
A normal polearm has all of those upsides though.

>Your entire argument hinges on the idea that any sort of scythe could never be a decent weapon ever
Nice strawman, but all I'm saying is that it's a categorically inferior weapon. Of course you could fight with it if it's all you've got. That applies to pretty much any tool.

>nothing stops you from making it more like a halberd and giving it some extra spikes and hooks.
No, but if you're altering it anyway, you might as well turn the blade 90º.

>>50032455
>>50032426
Actually, /tg/ has a batch of unhappy people who forbid fun except the kind of fun they like (which is centered around debates, /pol/, and minutae based rules discussion, and nothing else. They chased off all creative people segment by segment, only the most recent being /qst/. they have been winnowing the board to only what they like which is threads like...well, this, the D&D hate thread, and all their favorite /pol/ derails.

Take a look through the insides of the threads on /tg/, not just the catalog or the OPs. See if I'm wrong.

>>50041126
>It's a small war pick, with a sharpened inner edge so it can be pulled out of the target more easily. The guy using it attached a weight and chain to the back end for use in climbing short distances and choking bitches.
There, no references to Japanese things at all.

>>50042288
How exactly do you intend to swipe or swing with a pike and expect to cut anything?

And again. It's hardly a tool at this point if you've modified it to be more than a weapon, and most of your reasons for it still being worse than a standard weapon have been rather poor.

As for why not turn the blade 90 degrees, it really ceases to be a scythe at that point and becomes a spear. It gains some upsides there, but also loses some like being able to hook people. And of course, if the player wants to use a scythe, or can come up with good in-character reason for it such as that idea of a religious order, what's the big issue?

Are you really trying to say that such a weapon would be that drastically worse than a spear or a glaive? To the degree that it's a d4 improvised weapon instead of a d10 like the other two? Not even a di with some minor bonus on opportunity art a is to represent how it can hook moving targets more easily?

Honestly, it's so easy to come up with reasons to say yes that I'm wondering why you're so insistent on saying no.

I mean part of the fun is going full grim reaper on it and having an enchantment where swinging the blade cuts on a spiritual level moreso than physical.

Then go and literally harvest kobolds.

>>50038428
>I don't like something so no one else can.
whine harder faggot.

Anon, this is another example of something called the Explosions in Space principle.

Explosions in space, yes or no?

Play only with those who agree with your position.

Those who like explosions in space are the same sort that like the battle farm-scythe.

>>50038605
nice

>"I wanna be a weaponmaster! I wanna use a sword!"

No.

"Swords" are one of the worst blights inflicted on weapons in the modern era, right next to spears and axes. It's a series of codified "fuck yous" to the DMs and authorial intent alike. Any stupid shit your player wants to do they justify with "sword." Any unrealistic character shit or stupid weapons (fucking KNIVES) has them whining for swords. They beg for speshul snowflake styles, ancestral weapons, and stupid armor on the pretense of "swords" And on the flipside, weapons with actual artistry and historical research put in has them gets shit on as "boring."

I am sick and tired of coddled Millennials expecting that their actions should have no consequences and that they should have a blade wielding fucker there to throw knives at all the bad guys and cut off limbs, and being convinced that if they DIE and LOSE THE GAME that they don't have to really really lose because ~its swords~!

I tried introducing my players to this cool barfighting campaign I wanted to run last weekend so they could bring their characters this weekend, and they immediately started the usual shit.

>"I want my character to have a greatsword!"
There are no greatswords. There are only fists.
>"I want to be a paladin!"
There are no paladins in Ireland.
>"Yeah but there might be!"

It never fucking stops. Now I have to find a whole new group because every shitty ass player nowadays is brainwashed into thinking everything should be like medieval europe. Nobody expected to see a greatsword-wielding paladin in Rocky. It should not be acceptable today either.

There is a MASSIVE gulf nowadays between real weaponry and the unrealistic fantasy tripe being thrown around, and it's getting harder and harder to find people who aren't blinded by the stabbies and are receptive to intelligently planned and researched settettings/plots. They think they're entitled to be dragonslayers instead of part of something bigger.

>Everyone laughed at the scythe guy
>Then, the wheat demons arrived