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>>50001151
I'm running The Enemy Within using 2e rules with a group of Warhammer neophytes soon, and would love some input. In addition, I'll be using Winds of Chaos, Empire at War, and a GM Supplement I found on Scribd to compliment the campaign as written.

>Winds of Chaos: 2e stats for Mistaken Identity and Shadow Over Bogenhafen
http://www.windsofchaos.com/wp-content/uploads/tew/tew_v2.pdf

>Empire at War
http://www.madalfred.com/scenarios/EmpireAtWar.pdf

>The Enemy Within GM Supplement
https://www.scribd.com/doc/220147580/The-Enemy-Within-A-Companion

I've made the executive decision to disallow elves, so the adventurers can only be Halflings, Humans, or Dwarfs. Moreover, I executive'd a strict following of the recommended Warhammer character creation -- rolling traits as well as careers. So far, I've got three Definite Yes's and a Tentative Yes. One guy has already rolled up a character and is a Vagabond -- Literal Murder Hobo.

I am considering violating the sacred rule of random careers if two of my players choose to be a Noble and Valet and roleplay as a Warhammer World version of Jeeves and Wooster.

Beastmen update when?

>>50001752
Never. :(

Admittedly, it's difficult to make them competitive without either deviating from the Fluff or doing something players aren't used to, like giving all Beastmen Vanguard or making them incredibly cheap to take in Chaos armies and make up for their shittiness.

>>50001787
bumperooney

>>50001752
Never but eBay has some decent deals on beastmen infantry atm might engorge my herd

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>>50003161
I love dioramas.

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It feels bad to mostly prefer armies that are hordes. Orks, Skaven, Empire, Tomb Kings, Counts, Lizard men. It's a struggle to get through any army, especially just one of those high model counts.

>>50003531
I feel you. Skaven have so many models it isn't funny and I only have a few units for use in WFRP.

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>>50003662
>Skaven slaves hordes typically consist of 40+ models

Anyone got one of those Grombindal codes they'd be willing to share? For a friend, and neither of us are anywhere near a GW.

>>50001305
Rolled the second character for an adventure... A Dwarf!... Student!... Eh?

Yup. He's no soldier or fighter or nothin'. He's a student. And he's trying to become an Engineer.

>>50001151
Were there any vampire run countries other than Sylvania in the setting?

>>50006547
Lahmia. The Strigoi took over the Strigany lands. The Red Duke of Aquitaine eventually made his way to Mousillon, I think. There's a colony in Lustria for Vampires.

>>50006590
>>50006547
There's also a vampiric Border Prince. Apparently he's looking for a waifu.

>>50006873
Who?

>>50006547
Lahmia. Strigos. Kislev, for a while. Mousillon. Allegedly, some Border Princedoms.

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>>50007567

>>50007667
Give her headpats, no doubt.

>>50008035
She has to eat all the eggs first.

>>50008086
Hahahahaha

>>50008086
God that shit still makes me cringe.

>>50008086
You win

>>50003662
>>50004046
build mini dioramas on filler bases.
stay sane and have fun doing it.

WOOD ELVES SOON FELLOW UNDERSTANDERS OF STRATEGY

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Tell me about the lizard men and the tomb kings, they intrigue me. Both for a genuinely great aesthetic and ease to paint, but questions about gameplay since I know little about 9th age and am going from 8th army books and 1d4chan.

>>50009190
Kangs were the first great human civilization, and have yet to be surpassed. They went north before they had any magic but meagre miracles and shit kicked chaos. Nagash invented necromancy whole cloth after successfully torturing druchii captives for information on the dhar. Later, more of their number would create vampirism, which let them have their immortality and their sex too until Nagash got assmad and ruined it to punish them. Later, Settra would directly defy the Four after being offered everything by them, breaking some of their toys in the process.

I'm considering an Averland warband for Mordheim because Bergjaegers and Halfling Scouts are cool.

What bits should I use to make my Averlanders look more distinct compared to other human mercenaries?

>>50010751
fancy floppy hats and yellow/black uniforms

keep also a healthy amount of sun heraldry

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>>50010270
>yet to be surpassed.
>no poofy pants
>no floppy hats
no.

>>50009490
What type of helmet is that? Why does it reveal so much of the forehead?

>>50010270
>yet to be surpassed
fucking tanks, bruh.

>>50009919
Also a Bretonnian Knight would never lose the upper hand to some wimpy elf lizard fetishist like this.

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I fucking love the old world.

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>>50012906
>Also a Bretonnian Knight would never lose the upper hand to some wimpy elf lizard fetishist like this.

>face Bretonnians knights on open field
>let all slaves free
>they run to the Brets
>shoot them down
>field is no longer open
>take Brets as new slaves after crushing them
Dark elves best elves

>>50012906
bretonnians would get bested by halflings in combat if it came down to it
Asrai wageslaves

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Is there any more Total War concept art like this?

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>>50013020
>dark elves try this "trick" when attacking the empire
>all the dark elf slaves are mown down by picrelated.
>take a qt dark elf witch waifu as a peace offering.
>make her wear vampire chan's dress.

>make her dress in a tight bodice and make

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>>50013897
>>50013020
And thus the battle of spergs has started.

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>>50013897
>make her my cute loving spouse.
pic related.

>>50013960
I want waifufags to leave.

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>>50013992
t. (You)

>>50013897

>missing the point

They did that "trick" to undo the advantage of the heavy cavalry, you half-wit

>>50007667
That's pretty cool. Where's it from, as in what book?

>>50009919
>lizard failed its stupidity test, is about to wander off
>horse is rearing up to kick the elf's fucking head off
don't fuck with horses

>>50014100
yes, which is why you use your bretonian slaves to brawl with their elf slaves while swinging your cavalry around the flanks.

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How does Archaon looks like under that helmet?

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>>50014213
>How does Archaon looks like under that helmet?

>S-Sigma-senpai....

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>>50014586
I could dig him as a having a bishi, dignified Lucifer look.

>>50014148
pretty much this

>>50014695
what's happening to Lucifer's dick here?

Are there things like blanks/pariahs in warhammer fantasy?

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>>50015889
Not in the same way, but Halflings are similar in that they have absolutely no magical potential. It doesn't freak people out, well, beyond them being foul, smelly midgets anyway.

There is also a High Elf magic item called the Null Stone, which disallows magic and runic items as well as casting spells within 6" of the bearer. The quote for the item is as follows;
>>Those with the witch-sight see this as a dark void, an unsettling patch of nothingness in the world of magic.

I had one show up in some High Elf ruins in the Border Princes, and when my players brought it to a Bright Wizard that was counselling their rule, he freaked out and tried to scramble away from the stone.

>>50012916
As do I.

>>50015889
Iirc, I read somewhere that the dwarfs natural magic resistance causes magic to return to it "natural" state and leak back into the warp. Not as extreme as blanks, but similar concept

Something like a blank would be far more devastating in fantasy than 40k, it'd be cool to see

>>50012906
>fucking tanks, bruh.

They had them, or rather their equivalent, with magic.

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>>50014100
>bodies being thick enough on the field to impede cavalry

You stupid asshole, if you have THAT many slaves, you probably barely brought an army, and even if you could do this, YOUR CAVALRY WOULD BE IMPEDED, TOO.

Here's the problem, though - your dinosaurs have an uncontrollable appetite, and the horses don't. This leaves the Bretonnians to chuck rocks at you, watching in confusion as you commit mass suicide, or the imperials to shell your shit and kill you even quicker, maybe take a couple of POWs for rape slaves.

>>50016880
There's also the fact that bret horses are magical ubermensch horses (uber..pferds?) who probably wouldn't be slowed down by anything.

>>50017253
>(uber..pferds?)
Überpferde.

>>50012906
Who needs tanks when you can animate giant stone colossi?

>inb4 cannon
give that statue a big-ass bow, same effect and more reliable

>>50010270
Kangs never encountered Chaos, they, like other humans, were basically cavemen huddling around fires while the world seemed to be ending around them. They fucked around for a couple thousand years before one of their own rekt them. All of their accomplishments were because of the Covenant and everything started going to shit as soon as it was broken.

>>50016880
Who needs rocks when you have massed peasant archers who are forced to train so often that their shoulder musculature is lopsided?

Or Herrimaults, you know. Get Robin Hood to finally get his shit together.

>>50017438
The tanks shoot lead balls that kill the colossi.

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Is there a tutorial for dipping lizardmen? Best shades?

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I'm thinking of unit filler for my vampire counts army.

Suppose a Lahmian were to hire an Empire Ogre as a bodyguard. Would he care if suddenly she was revealed as a vampire and expected him to march in the middle of a huge group of skeletons with her? Or would it be nofucksgiven, still hoping for that Christmas bonus?

Because pic related is looking pretty good.

>>50010019
FLYING TOWERS???

>>50015889
Yes and no. Nothing freaks people out like Blanks and Pariahs do in Fantasy, but there's a lot of similar things that make magic not work or are dead to the Warp. All the perks, none of the drawback basically.

Obsidian material works that way, although it can also be used as a Warp amplifier too. Like >>50015954 says.

As >>50016162 said, Dwarfs passively generate an aura which basically makes magic not function around them and their willpower can shape that aura which is how they can dispel magic without a wizard. But Dwarfs still have souls unlike Blanks, and when Dwarfs die that magic resistance dissipates with them which is why they can be raised as the undead which means the magic resistance is probably a property of their soul itself. However that works. When Dwarfs force magic into themselves, it turns them to stone which can be a benefit through their runic tattoos and magics used in moderation, but when Chaos Dwarfs do it to an extreme degree that it lets them function as wizards it kills them slowly.

>>50017928
He probably wouldn't give any fucks, so long as he kept getting paid/fed.

Though I happen to like ogres that are big fraidy cats.

>>50017972
Bright Wizard stuff, I imagine. No earth like scorched earth.

>>50017972
Yep. Both the Empire and High Elves have flying fortresses, although High Elves have many more. In one of the books its mentioned as something either that Elf nobility do to show off or eccentric Elf wizards do just because wizard.

Empire has them, but there's been no lore that I've ever read that actually details their use. Probably because you can't really make a model for one, and GW only wants lore that sells kits.

>>50018000
Cool, thanks.

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How united are Beastmen? Are they Always Chaotic Evil in the sense of being literally unable to work with others, or is that only when they gather in a group?

I'm putting together a Slaanesh Daemon army for T9A and using a lot of different models in addition to GW ones, and some of them are mortals marching with Daemonettes and Seekers like the cult that summoned them is going to fight alongside them. I kind of want to throw a few Gors in there, but the lore I've read is that they refuse to cooperate with humans and exist only to kill like a race of Bloodletters.
But the lore is also that Beastmen are always abandoned in the forest and gather together in groups where they hate civilization for betraying them.

A Slaaneshi cult probably wouldn't abandon any kids that are born with horns and hooves, and if I remember right Karl Franz's nephew is a Beastman who's been kept indoors like a mentally handicapped son all his life and still dresses in noble clothes instead of just smearing shit everywhere and burning things.

So assuming you had Beastman kids and didn't throw them into the forest, and were just as Chaos aligned as they're inclined to be, could you have some goatmen alongside mom, pop, and the siblings marching with some rowdy Daemonettes looking for shit to desecrate?

>>50017719
The empire has 8 steamtanks and can't seem to build new ones. The tomb kings have thousands of animated constructs, easily. Steam tanks get BTFO in just about any head to head situation

>>50018114
They're mostly Chaotic Evil, though will obey the will of the gods if they are ordered to march along side humans. They hate it, however, as they believe themselves to be the true children of Chaos, more deserving of favour than Men.

The thing is these alliances tend to be short lived as the Beastmen will fuck off to do their own thing as soon as they can. The 8th edition book has an example of a Beastlord allying with a Chaos Lord, who pounced on stragglers until his warherd was full and fucked off to the forests after the Chaos Lord's defeat.

>>50018221
So they're fucked into Chaotic Stupid by birth, not upbringing?

I always thought it was the mutation that caused them to be cast out which then caused them to gather in herds and be assholes.

>>50018005
Those floating towers aren't mentioned in any fluff but there are rules for them in the storm of magic supplement. Some wizard architect from the past named fozzrik made all sorts of weird Magicsl buildings.

>>50018239
Beastmen are both born and transformed. Beastmen born to Beastwomen, who are demure and beaten housewives, tend to look down on those that are mutated but will still follow them if they prove themselves strong.

Babies born with beastlike mutations are called Gaves, those who are left in the forest to die but are instead picked up by Beastwomen.

So it's a bit of both.

>>50018288
So assuming this cult of hedonists that probably practice ample incest and managed to summon a Daemon army didn't abandon their Gaves, then those Gaves could march alongside them and not flip out?

>>50018338
It's certainly a possibility. If they have the right upbringing I could see it. A Gave from one of the novels killed his father and immediately broke down crying after, indicating he wanted revenge for being abandoned rather than simple bloodlust or lolevil. They have more of a chance than true Beastmen.

>>50017928
Man, how much would a suit of plate for an ogre cost?

I'm sure he'd be chuffed to work for anyone with that much cash available to feed him.

He should have a gut plate over the armor though.

>>50019580
One player in a campaign I played in mutated so much that he had ogre-like proportions, and when he tried to buy full plate armour he had to pay ten times the price because the blacksmith had so much more body to cover.

>>50019580
Ogre Plate would be weird, you'd have to get a master craftman to compensate for their ludicrous body proportions, and manner of movement.
Then each piece would have to be custom-made to their proportions.

Alternatively, you can do what Ogres have been doing for generations, and slapping together roughly equivalent suits by grabbing big chunks of metal and roughly beating them into appropriate shapes with their clubs.

>>50019938
Sure, but looking at the model, it is clearly a custom designed suit for the big guy to look just like a normal Empire suit (save size).

>>50019999
Yep, it'd cost a mint.

>>50018493
Awesome, thank you! That'll be really helpful for my army.

I'm not as well-versed in lore, and my job takes up a lot of time so I basically have to choose between models and movies with friends, or reading and music alone. I read here and there but I don't have time to dig through lore for stuff like this.

>>50019580
Given the casualties of the Empire and the fact generally only nobility would be buried with armor, and the fact that Ogres aren't picky, a blacksmith probably just keeps a shitload of damaged pieces unfit to cover a human that he can stick together and cover an Ogre.

It'd probably have to be made unique though, since Ogres are always trying to get bigger and they may not accept a new Gutplate if they like their old one.

>>50019999
>>50020014
A good Ogre is probably worth that though. You gotta pay an Ogre in food, and if they're not some shit that forgets what side he's on then he may not be willing to accept acidic rotten shit from the bottom of the pile.

I mean, think about who could pay some standard humans. How many humans is that Ogre worth in effectiveness? Is it worth it if you're already paying for one to make him last even longer?

>>50018195
>can't seem to build anymore
>the empire is however able to expertly maintain the steam tanks including the engines
>but for some reason they can't build any more.
ok

>>50020509
The reasoning is that you can replace this or that but when it comes to building a new one nobody can replicate it without the plans, the guy who designed it or having taken it apart which is too risky. Personally I think there are more than the original set of steamtanks, but they are less well made and aren't such a huge loss if they're destroyed. Costly, sure, but not one of the 'prime'.

>>50020829
Which makes more sense. It explains why the old models look more different from the current one.

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Is a Rock Lobba something Savage Orcs would put together or use?
They could bully Goblins into doing it, but would they?

>>50020908
Unless they're fairly lucid, probably not. Some savage orcs are so bad that they speak little to nothing aside from grunts and Waaagh!ing all the time. Most of their fighting would be out in the open and anything that requires a war machine to crack open is probably ignored after a time.

>>50001752
Beast bros are p good in 9th age.

>>50020509
I personally think its stupid, but there are only 8 and all of them have names. I think here should be at least a couple dozen of them, at least one in every major battle. But the point stands, the tomb kings animated constructs outnumber tanks thousands to one. There were 100 heirotitans just to watch 2 kings fight forever, and those are the rarest ones. There were enough statues to build a wall out of them around khemri, which is several times larger than altdorf

>>50016880

It's literally a story from a Dark elves army book but okay.

>>50022359
yes, but they run on magic.

>>50022359
>There were 100 heirotitans just to watch 2 kings fight forever, and those are the rarest ones.
well, they are rarest because like half of them are stuck watching two stupid kings fight forever

>>50020993
So there's not really anything fluffy that Savage Orcs can take other than other variants of Savage Orcs then?

>>50022359
To be fair the theme of the Tomb Kings is Egypt beyond your wildest imagination, held entirely by those who built it still.

The Empire theme is "we're boned".

Plus "there are as many Elves as the plot demands" after all.

>>50023683
well, I'd imagine they could have any forest goblins and monsters available with them
squigs and giants and trolls etc

>>50023683
Your WAAAGH! doesn't have to consist entirely of Savage Orcs just because the leaders and line troops are.

You could have a contingent of goblins that noticed the destruction left in the Savage Orcs' path and decided to tag along, who try their best to keep their distance while still assisting in battle. As long as they start packing up their war machines before the Orcs have run out of enemies to fight, they should be safe from rampage and can rest up while the Orcs are looting and ransacking so that they can take the sloppy seconds during night time.

That's just one of many ways to fluff it up.

>>50020908
you think too simply
instead of thinking "can X take Y?" you should think "what does Y do and how would X do that?"

what does Rock Lobba do? it lobs rocks. how would Savage Orcs lob rocks? by hand, of course!
make a big, troll-sized savage orc who hurls massive rocks with his hands. maybe he's a cripple, maybe he's fat, maybe he just likes how enemies go SPLAT! that's up to you

>>50004725
I'll second this, I live in what is basically space.

So, are there any lore examples of elves finding humans attractive?

>>50026339
A wood elf wanted to fuck Karl-Franz.

WFRP Noob DM again

I finally have my group together. It consists of a Dwarf Student from Zhufbar, a Dwarf Watchman from Nuln, a Human Squire from Reikland, a Human Burgher from Middenland, and a Human Vagabond.

Mostly non-combat dudes, but shit happens.

>>50026408
She just thought Orion shouldn't let him die for doing the right thing.
Cause Orion is an asshole he needs a reminder what the right thing is himself sometime.

>>50026441
Sounds like a comfy group, would get physically and mentally scarred with

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>>50026408
course she would.
But seriously is there any lore example that hints at stuff like that?
There was that wood elf chick that was flirty with a bretcuck.

>>50026562
The Watchman and Squire rolled killer stats, which may unbalance the group. And the burgher rolled shit tier stats. Lol. He's also 5'5 and 170 pounds.

I'm gonna run them through the first two parts of The Enemy Within -- Mistaken Identity and Shadow Over Bogenhafen. If they enjoy themselves, I'll continue with Death on the Reik, Power Behind the Throne, and then sub out Terror in Talabheim or Rise of the Horned Rat for Something Rotten in Kislev, followed by an Empire at War/Empire in Flames medley.

>>50017791
Shit, I remember there was a good one (about step by step painting of skinks, I think) somewhere, but can't seem to find it, wish you good luck in your search

Can't go wrong with black shading (or whatever darker shade of your base color) tho, try half-black shade, half thinner/water and experiment, sorry ;_;

bump for waifus

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>>50028528
What about manfus?

>>50028667
>>cuck franz
plz go

So there's an upcoming DLC for Vermintide. Does anyone know what this could be? I'm hoping for a new Hero, or a special skaven in the form of a Pestilens Censer Bearer. Or Undead, cause spoopy skeletons.

>>50029278
Orcs and Gobbos in Dwarf Hold plox.

>>50029295
>dwarf is searching for lost holds
>home hold becomes lost to greenskinz
>dwarf doean't know that
>dwarf comes home
>mission accomplished!

>>50018005
The high elf one is called the tower of hoeth.

You also forgot dark elves, they have black arks. From the sundering before their homeland on uluthuan got recked they took some part of their cities and made them float. Its how Naggorand was founded, floated the old city down and malekith made it his capital.

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How do the tomb kings ever lose to anyone?
>extremely coordinated and well armed troops that don't get tired or feel fear.
>shitloads of giant statues
>foe seeking arrows
>millions of soldiers to call upon

Tomb kings should be BTFOing just about everyone unless horribly outnumbered

>>50031802
Despite what people may think, Settra is not all powerful. He has to regularly deal with Arkhan, but can't defeat him decisively due to his command of Necromancy. He also has to deal with rogue Kings that don't accept his rule, not to mention that a vast majority of his army pale in comparison to even the basic infantry of other realms. They basically practised an ancient form of gentlemen warfare for centuries and it shows.

Tomb Kings may have a lot of soldiers, but that's about it. Most of those constructs need repair and someone to maintain them like a liche priest. They have pros, but not as much as this meme suggests.

How are the High Elves in the 9th age update? I'm starting the army so I can have a great looking army for painting contests, but I'm just not really sure how they run. Theres never any elves in my meta either

>>50023850
>>50023814
Eh, I don't really like any of the other greenskins. Forest Goblins are kind of nice I guess but I'm not enthusiastic about them.

>>50023898
I like it! Thanks.

>>50026339
Teclis shagged twins. Kerillian sorta flirts with Markus and Sienna in Vermintide.

>>50029580
The Tower of Hoeth doesn't float, its the largest structure in the Warhammer world though.

Black Arks are boats. Not flyers.

The Tzeentch Man O' War ships are flying towers.

>>50031802
Because 99% of Tomb King war is against themselves.

>>50032487
Far more balanced with everyone else. Lacking in traditional cheese.

>>50033087
Blark Arks do both, but mostly go by sea. Flying is how they got to Naggaroth in the first place.

>>50031802
The Tomb Kings are still squabbling somewhat among themselves - Settra managed to create a general unity out of the chaos of their rebirth, but there are a lot of Tomb Kings that would challenge their incumbents for the lands they once ruled in life, since it's not like they have anything to lose by a war anymore. And there are a few rebellious holdouts, like Ptar, and Arkhan the Black keeps causing shit.

Not to mention, they just don't really do well outside of Nekhara, since there's not as much magic outside of it to bring them back from death if they fall in battle. And what would they want with the outside world, anyway? In their day, it was the barbaric hinterland. So Settra would rather consolidate and hold.

>>50033104
Thats not very specific. It sounds like they have issues with core post 1.2

>>50029278
dead game

>>50001305
That's a cross on the chain around that soldier's neck. I don't think that's Warhammer art

>>50034532
Not issues, just people dissatisfied with their army feeling neutered or lacking in the ability to go mono-theme.

So this update is supposed to give armies more flavor again.

>>50035250
Empire has iron crosses, because Germany. They just don't have any basis for existing. Its just kind of a symbol of the Empire.

>>50035274
Got any other examples of that? I don't see anything in the picture that even hints at it being Warhammer, either.

>>50035287
Both Bretonnia and the Empire use crosses in their heraldry. Check the Old World Armoury book for WFRP 2nd edition. It stands for unity, honour and oaths fulfilled.

>>50035352
The Empire, I knew that, but Bretonnia? I haven't seen one. They seem to love lilies more.

>>50035432
I can't seem to find the picture about Bretonnian heraldry that isn't made for ants, but it's a symbol that represents fighting against the Undead. It's from 5th edition Bretonnia, I think there's a few Knights Errant that have them too.

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>>50035287
Its all over the place, the first one that comes to mind is the top of Witchfate Tor though. Some of the flags in Man O' War have them too.

>>50035287
I'd say the three skulls, two on hips and one on belt, make it pretty Empire. Memento Mori wasn't anywhere near as omnipresent on every surface that it is in Warhammer.

I mean, it was a thing. But literally everything Empire has to either have a hammer or a skull, almost no exceptions.

>>50035566
No no no, not that kind of cross. The one on the soldier is clearly a Christian cross, with the one elongated side

>>50035250
On a google search, the artist's name is Zachary Graves, and he's done a lot of Warhammer - 40k and Fantasy - art.

>>50035250
>>50035287
used to be on deviant art under the name of 'for sigmar' on the account columbus sage, now closed. You'll find the reference to that on pinterest even though the account is not up on deviant art anymore.

That aside it's 1:1 the design of the new empire greatswords, the cross is not an iron cross in spite of what you say you see it's clearly not a christian one and the guy has three skulls on his armor that i can see at a quick glance.

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>>50035432
>>50035542
I believe this is from the 5e book?

Heraldry is kind of fast and loose in warhammer. Just about anything could work.

>>50035955
Yeah, that's the one.

>>50035605
Doesn't look elongated to me.

I traced the image back to its source, a deactivated DA account. But every single reference to it on google is as Warhammer Fantasy art. If it is a Christian cross, its probably a mistake of the artist.

Could have been art from the trading card game or something.

>>50035955
Yeah. Skaven are apparently Jewish, Vampire Counts listen to ACDC, and Wood Elves are Taoist if you try to take heraldry literally against our real world.

>>50035263
You mean 1.3? I'm k8nd of okay with everyone getting a blanket nerf to sort of reset the power creep, but I hope they give my beast bros back our lord level wizard statline. I'd also be down to trade evocation for a different lore

>>50036364
1.2, with more freedom on Rare/Characters by army.

Not sure what the rumors for 1.3 are. I'm just kind of waiting for more artwork to inspire me when they release OnG. Haven't had much enthusiasm for green since ET sunk in. The AoS art and the "Orruks" was a modeling boner killer.

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Anyone got the other Warhammer versions of this?

>>50033740
>Not to mention, they just don't really do well outside of Nekhara, since there's not as much magic outside of it to bring them back from death if they fall in battle. And what would they want with the outside world, anyway? In their day, it was the barbaric hinterland. So Settra would rather consolidate and hold.
>being this wrong

man, its like you don't know TK fluff at all. There are several examples of Tomb kings BTFO other armies in their homelands. In fact, most TK battles that don't involve nagash or each other are either retaliations or reconquests outside of the dead lands. Most famous example is when Settra lead his armies into the chaos wastes and utterly rekt at least a dozen chaos hordes and slaughtered countless tribes who so much as had one piece of stolen gold, all within 5 years.

Also, the very last thing mentioned in the tomb kings timeline is that settra is leading a huge crusade of conquest to eventually encompass the whole world. or at least try to. So they really are concerned with the outside world.

>>50037542
>Based Settra

Although it kind of sucks he's the only badass in the Tomb Kings lore. I guess that's because he killed all the others, but still.

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>>50037542
There's plenty instances of each army BTFOing every other army, so you shouldn't take that as a true representation of a nation's capabilities. Keep in mind there's mention of Warriors raiding into Nehekhara and plundered the land until they got their fill and went home rich as Nazis.

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>>50037491

>>50014754
>>50014695
>>50014586
We see Archaon without his armor in Archaon: The Rise and the Fall where he pretends to be an ordinary Norse warrior to fool a group of Witch Hunters and Knights who ventured into the Chaos Wastes to hunt him down and stop his ascension.

To the Imperials, he passed a true blooded Norseman. Think of a typical looking Norseman and you won't stray far.

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>>50037618
I know there are examples of each army beating the others, but the Tomb kings specifically were mentioned as not being good outside of Nehekara, which is false.

That chaos "victory" was a lucky hit by the chaos lord since Settra rekt his daemon horse before taking out the rider. That lord immediately died, and only 12 men actually made it back home.

they may have gone home rich as nazis, but a decade later Settra came back and absolutely BTFO them and anyone who had the misfortune of possessing that stolen treasure.

I'm curious as to how that bretonian battle actually went down, iirc they had neither cannons nor Trebs that early in their history.

>checks out 9th age
>looks cool enough, gets actual updates by people who actually give a shit
>rules seem kinda similar but a bit more streamlined
>every looks pretty o-
>they axed all faction specific lores

Holy fuck what the shit. Skavens and O &G lost their two distinct lores, and high lore is just gone along with LotGM.

What the actual fuck. I can't for the life of me figure out what kind of faggot thought this was a reasonable idea.

>>50039165
I love the way they arbitrarily nerfs models and removes rules that were just fluffy tidbits. Goodbye Slaughtermaster, I knew ye well.

T9A are actually worse than GW somehow.

>>50039165
there's a blog post explaining why they did that

but while I'm a bit pissed myself, I mostly pissed at lore choices for certain armies, not for losing actual lores.
then again, I find it kinda cool that my Skaven are now using the "holy" lore, Thaumaturgy. Horned Rat is a god too, after all

plus Occultism is plain awesome. sacrificing minions to get more power... that's worth losing stuff

>>50039183
hello, Bloodlines. hello, Aspects. hello, Barrow Legions and Terracota Army

you win some, you lose some. though I admit I'm grumpy they took away bows from SE wizards

anyone got any good examples of ruins-themed scenic bases?

>>50039368
what are you thinking of? regular townhouse ruins, temple ruins?
20mm bases or display bases?

In any case I'd recommend looking through the catalog of resin base sellers.

>>50039183
>Goodbye Slaughtermaster, I knew ye well.
What? A Shaman upgraded to be a Wizard Master and with additional Learned Spells is virtually identical to a Slaughtermaster.
All armies got their hero wizard and lord wizard baked into one profile, y'know.

>>50039165
One of the reasons why they changed the lores was because they became very generic and similar to each other when there were so many to design, and I think they succeeded in making them unique and interesting this way.
It's disappointing to lose something that was unique to your army, but I'd rather have this than GW's wild ride of buffing, nerfing, adding and removing completely at random.

>>50039427
any ruins
20mm base
conversions, not premade ones from sellers

Just learning, and my group is trying some bare bones games right now just to get the hang of it.

The sisters of twilight for wood elves (8th ed), one of them has a multi shot bow. However, bow says its strength 1. Is that legit? or was there something else that goes into that? I feel like alord shouldnt be lucky to kill maybe 2 of my skaven slaves. Is it arrows you have to buy to bring the strength up? or is it just the trade off of having multiple shots to be super fucking weak?

>>50039998
It has Poisoned Attacks, which means it will auto-wound on 6s to hit. It's designed to be strong against monsters, war machines and other things with high toughness, not so much against hordes.

>>50040074
Ah, I was assuming the one with multi wounds was the sister for big targets, maybe had them mixed up. Makes more sense, thanks.

Also
>useing censer bearers for the first time
God damn. They may be expensive and suicidal, but they fucking rip and tear.

>>50039481
>conversions, not premade ones from sellers
The only difference it that the guy who runs the shop had moulds made of some bases somebody else made.

It would really help if you were a bit more specific in order to get good answers. If you are not too particular about the kinds of ruins asking in WIP will likely yield better results.

Some stuff I've experimented in the past with are plastic mosaik pieces to use as tiling and casting stucco in the lid of some tupperware to smash it apart and use as rubble.

You can also get mould for diorama makers that which which you can cast your own tiles or bricks. You can also buy them.
If you break a few of those and use those together with a few coffe stirrers you should be able to get idea across pretty well too.

Don't have any pictures to share, but I think you get the idea.

>>50037591
Khalida and Phar are badasses too.
Rahmhotep is pretty interesting.

Sehenesmet is Tomb King Howard Hughes.

Amanhotep is like Shaggy from Scooby Doo, he's badass because of all the shit he gets drug through.

Pharakh, Alkharad, Setep, and Behedesh could have been badass had GW not forgotten about the faction and actually given them a novel.

Are they good novels about wood elves?

>>50040616
>good
>wood elves
pick three

>>50040740
You are a helpful anon.

>>50040616
the orion trilogy
guardians of the forest has best waifu

>>50040871

thanks mate

>>50040944
you are welcome anon
wood elves soon

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FUCKING CONFIRMED
GET HYPE

>>50038610
You make it sound like that anon said that every time the Tomb Kings left Nehekara they got beaten, which isn't really what was said at all. All he said was that they didn't do well - probably thinking that was the case because they weren't conquering other lands yet.

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>>50041745

>>50039445
>What? A Shaman upgraded to be a Wizard Master and with additional Learned Spells is virtually identical to a Slaughtermaster.
>All armies got their hero wizard and lord wizard baked into one profile, y'know.
No longer immune to poison, T4 (fucking what.) and generally a shadow of his former self.

I miss +7 to cast spells.

>>50041852
Oh, and they arbitrarily nerfed the shit out of Ogres by disallowing the good magic armours for absolutely no good reason. Who the fuck is getting the last say in those changes? Because it feels like not one of them even has an Ogre army.

>>50041232
Whats that page?

Also, HYPE

>>50041907
they posted a teaser on instagram, which led to that "contest" page
https://www.instagram.com/p/BMGmH5ZBa7J/?hl=en
(read the description)

And they leaked it, with filename "WEF_teaser", even if obvious

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>>50041898
Try browsing the forums for the army.

http://www.the-ninth-age.com/index.php?board/296-ok-tactics/

http://www.the-ninth-age.com/index.php?board/9-ogre-khans-ok/

Either there's a workaround, or you can contribute to the next update being better. That's part of what 1.2 was, fixing some armies that had unintended consequences as a result of balancing.

In particular this thread. http://www.the-ninth-age.com/index.php?thread/19023-1-2-update-ok-discussion/&postID=456014#post456014

>>50041852
>>50041898
note that 1.2 is basically just a re-balancing run before tournament + sneak peak of new rules/mechanics that will be included in 2.0

there's quite a bit of stuff gone in 1.2 that makes some people suspect it's a very incomplete version that will be fixed in 2.0

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Do any lorefriends here have examples of the following?
> Empire vs Bretonnia conflict / rival characters
> Empire vs Dwarfs conflict / rival characters
> Bretonnia vs Dwarfs
> Bretonnia vs Orcs
> Vampires vs Orcs

>>50043657
karl started off by btfoing bretonnia.

>>50043657
>empire vs brets
Mostly border skirmishes between minor nobles. There was a dude who launched a crusade into the empire to avenge an insult to his ugly wife made by Based Leitdorf. The crusade presumably didn't have the lady's blessing at got BTFO by massed helblasters

>empire cs dwarfs
Dwarfs built a fortress for an elector count, then came back and destroyed it because they were shorted 2 pennies/wagons full of gold (story changes depending which side you ask)
There was also some dwarf who lead an army to kill some imperial noble because that guys great grandfather cut off his fathers hand 100 years ago

>brets vs dwarfs
The grey mountain dwarfs sided against bretonnia during the 100 year border war with the empire

>brets vs orcs
Tons of examples, most notably the unification wars and the failed crusade to exterminate greenskins

>vampires vs orcs
Orcs were responsible for destroying the Strigoi kingdom and killing Ushoran. Grimgor also fought and killed several vampire lords and has their fangs hanging from his banner

>>50042726
Yeah, besides new lores and army restrictions, it just feels like a minor rebalancing. I expected more magic items, not less.

>>50043857
well, apart from spells it didn't ADD anything, like at all. as I understand, a lot of stuff that people feel is missing will be added in 2.0

I expect big fluffy changes, if any, will come in 2.0 too, together with their own fluff. i mean, the devs themselves said giving Lahmias MWBD was a mistake, but didn't touch it in this update

>>50043657
>Bretonnia vs. Dwarves
The Grey Mountain dwarves tend to close up the passes when the Bretonnians are at war with the Empire, since they're stronger friends with the Empire than the Brets. That's all I really know there.

>Bretonnia vs. Orcs
There are a shitton of Orcs and gobbos in the mountains, especially the Massif Orcal.

I ran into conundrum...

(it's T9A, but I'm using WHFB names out of habit)

>Crypt Ghouls - small werewolves
>Crypt Horrors - bigger werewolves
>Varghulf - huge werewolf/wolf
>Strigoi Vampire - small blinged-out werewolf
>Strigoi Vampire with Bestial Bulk - bigger bliged-out werewolf
>Totemic Beast - huge wolf/werewolf

I feel my army might get very confusing...

>>50043657
>>They never get along, like elves and dwarfs!
>>And greenskins and dwarfs!
>>And humans and dwarfs!
>>And dwarfs and dwarfs! Ach, dwarfs! They ruined the Karaz Ankor!

>>50044413
Small/big/huge with a bling modifier makes sense. Totemic beast is the only one that could cause confusion, but at least he's not going to show up regularly.

Can I have a bumbling but formal Ogre Manservant?

Can an ogre be smart enough to learn etiquette and serve as my valet? Obviously he's clumsy, bumps into shit, and often tears my formal suits, but I keep him around because he's the best goddamn bodyguard I could find.

Ogre, in his best Reikspiel: "Sir, your Aunt Brunhilde sent a messenger while you were out. She expects you at your uncle Yaxley's estate presently for Festag."

Noble: "Oh, blast. I promised the fellows at the Club... Well, set aside my red doublet would you?"

Ogre: "Indeed, sir..." Hiding exhasperation. "But do you not think the ladies will find it out of season for you to wear red in Spring?"

Noble: "Ah. Right. Well, you choose Bertram."

Bertram, the Ogre: "My pleasure, sir." Turns. Knocks over a side table and bumps into a chandelier on his way to the bedroom. He's dressed in an oversized coat, vest, and tie.

>>50044952
I don't see why not. He wouldn't be very good at the valet part, but I doubt many nobles would snicker behind your back with an ogre manservant glaring at them.

>>50045191
Not good because ogres aren't smart enough to understand the niceties of imperial fashion or because their fat fingers would have a hard time handling delicate clothing?

>>50045204
Both. Greasus Goldtooth is apparently the smartest ogre around, and he's of average human intelligence.

Not only are their fingers fat, but greasy and covered in calluses.You'd be best hiring a valet to do all the prim and proper stuff and leave the ogre to smash skulls. Maybe dress him up and give him a club in the shape of a gentleman's cane, but don't take his advice on evening wear unless you like the 'greasy, shitsmelling' look.

Maybe you'd get away with that in Middenland, but who knows.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/i330182xo9b1hsi/Rulebook+%28Hardback%29.pdf

Fucking thing keeps fucking the fuck up.

CAn someone share the Warhammer RP rulebook thanks

fucking bullshit fucking thing

>>50045411
Try this.
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:1c9d191dd27e67e7afe5a936c99881953c96b0cd&dn=Warhammer%20FRP%20collection&tr=http%3a%2f%2fbt2.t-ru.org%2fann%3fmagnet

>>50045502
what the fuck is that link

>>50045512
Add link to torrent client, or look for books at OP.

>>50045512
>>50045411
https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ!ZZwyAACQ

>>50045625
THANKS MAN
HEIL HITLER

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>>50014108
i got this piece from The Night Dark Masters, but i dont know where >>50007667 that came from

Hallowed Geheimninacht everyone! May your ancestors look favourably upon you, and Morrslieb look elsewhere!

>>50046273
It's from the 7th edition Vampire Counts book.

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>>50046320
Trick or treat!

>>50046320
How do most cultures treat Geheimninacht? I know in the Empire most people either have festivals or lock their doors, but I don't even know what the Bretonnians do, let alone the Dwarves or Elves.

>>50048216
>How do most cultures treat Geheimninacht?
I don't think it's ever said.

Bretonnians probably spend the night fighting evil because they're brain damaged and get big knightly boners from doing that kind shit.

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>>50048251

>>50001151
How old is the Warhammer Fantasy world in-universe?

>>50001151
http://warhammerarmiesproject.blogspot.ca/

I prefer the Warhammer Armies Project over the 9th age. I think it should be added to the list of links that every general opens with.

>>50048914
Unknown. The Old Ones showed up around 6000 years prior to the current date, or at least that's when they started fucking with the planet. Before then titanic creatures and strange, human-like beings roamed the world doing battle for eons, such as the dragons and dragon ogres. I imagine like any other planet it's at least a few billion years old.

>>50048948
Wow. For comparison, Homo Sapiens have existed for 160,000 years.

>>50049001
Keep in mind that most of the major races were created wholesale or 'uplifted'. There's no telling how many years the planet's original races evolved for, namely dragons to become its top predator. There was also a humanoid race that was sorta dwarf, sorta elf, sorta human, a skeleton having features of all three races which is probably where the Old Ones got ideas for a template from.

>>50048553
>women are in charge
truly a festival of horror

>>50049068
Another thing to note is that the earliest human civilizations were formed during 8,000 B.C.E. The Old Ones were rapid weren't they.

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How about some WFRP quest ideas that don't involve conspiracies, treason, cults, beastmen, greenskins, skaven, or just anything outright horrifying? How about some 'mundane' quests?

Any suggestions on how to spice of WHRPG 2nd ed combat beyond line up and fight? I have a fairly high level party

>>50049494
Throw less open combats at them, have some terrain when your party gets attacked/ambushed. Use reinforcements, offscreen baddies, traps, etc.

>>50049366
>>A famous bandit known as the 'Old Wolf' runs circles around the authorities of Middenland. He has a thousand crown bounty on his head, two for his capture.

>>A tomb of a long dead pre-Empire warlord has been uncovered, and strangely it is filled with clever traps and puzzles. The warlord prized wits above all and challenges any to survive his tomb and its pitfalls. Those who make it to the central chamber are welcome to all the treasure they can carry.

>>A Cathayan man is travelling through the empire with only a short, slender sword and a mule dragging a cart laden down with various goods. He doesn't speak any other language and seems to be looking for help, but the PC's can't be sure.

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>>50049366
Tons in the books. Here are a few I have used/played

>Roads are more treacherous and Road Wardens in short supply after the storm of chaos. Merchants, refugees, travelers and tax men are always in the market for guards, professionals (Doctors, horse keepers and wood workers to keep the caravan running especially), scouts and priests.

>Apothecaries, mages, common folk etc all have use of medicinal herbs, and gathering them can lead to dangerous, or hard to reach places. Grab a basket.

>Tax collector needs helps collecting.

>With the repelling of the Storm of Chaos, comes peace, and a need of distraction. Following the tournament circuit is a great way to see the Empire, meet people from all over the Old World, and make some money!

>Skaven, mutants and all other manners of unpleasantness can be found in sewers, but more often than not, its just common criminals and rats. Bring extra lanterns.

>Some big city households and guilds hold a lot of power, and are prone to gang violence between them for local control.... Looking for some work?

>>50044952
There was a book series about a Bretonnian, side character was a noblewoman and her Ogre companion. They got a solo book.

He was sort of what you're thinking of. More gruff bodyguard, but basically the same.

>>50047355
Noice!

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New Kickstarter I thought I'd share with you lot.

Dwarf and Halfling Musketeers.

www.kickstarter.com/projects/ironmaskminiatures/iron-mask-miniatures-forlorn-hope

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>>50050616
Also these.

Oldhammer style minis.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/diehardminiatures/diehard-miniatures-eru-kin-expansion

>>50041232
i was about to call you out on being late but then i realized this isnt /twg/

>>50050648
>neat, kinda like old lizardme-.. plasma rifles?

>>50044569
You dwarfs sure are a contentious people.

>>50051544
that's a grudgin'

>>50044569

Kek, now I'm reading everything in Willies' voice.

Help me out guys.

I got 4 armies, and I want to get into 9th age with a bunch of people I used to play 7th with. I want to focus on one army, so which one would you recommend in terms of rules?

- Ogres
- Demons
- Lizardmen
- Skaven

I am way out of loop (been playing 40k for a while instead) so I was wondering which army is the most interesting to concentrate on. I kinda need to re-ignite my spark, so to speak, and I can't do that if I have to focus on more than one army.

>>50051544
Manling, ye have won yerself an enemy for life

what are some good models to make hunky bare-chested skaven, with proper headswaps and greenstuff tails? i've been looking at GW stuff, but Gors and Bloodbeavers are too straight and massive, Ungors ain't hunky enough, and Marauders are plain horrible.

Anything cheap-ish from 3rd parties?

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>>50052745

WFRP fans -- looking for some input on edits I'm making to Empire in Flames (the last part of The Enemy Within), using parts of Empire at War, but not copying it entirely.

Anyone here familiar with The Enemy Within that could help?

So I'm getting into Mordheim and Want to run Wood Elves.

Are the Shadow Hunter rules a bit too strong? Orcs and Gobbos and Witch Hunters are who I will face.

>>50051250
Which do you choose?

>Boring Pyramid Rituals

>Exciting Laser battles

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>>50055088
Why not both?

>inb4 AoS art

>>50055005
Shadow Warriors? Yes.
The potential to spam shooting is way too strong, Excellent Sight coupled with I6 is a strong counter against enemies trying to advance safely against your wall of arrows and Sniper is bullshit on a whole new level.

You could use Shadow Warriors and intentionally gimp yourself, or if you want to be more fluffy and your friends are okay with it, you could use the Wood Elves warband from the Mousillon supplement. For a more polished and balanced but less interesting warband, use Outlaws of Stirwood Forest for all your bow-wielding, tree-hugging needs.

>>50055290
I could only see Fan made Wood Elf Lists.

How different are the Mousillon rules for Wood Elves?

I assume less Armor and Wardancers and the like correct?

>>50055141
>that pic

man, GWs art has really tanked

>>50055357
It's pretty mixed honestly.

GW is hiring alot of freelance artists so it's hit and miss on the Designs.

Sort of like the models, We have the Meh ones like Blood Warriors and the fantastic ones like the new Sylvaneth.

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>>50055332
Check it out. It's kind of rough because Mousillon never got completely finished but I think people online say the warbands are decently balanced.

>>50055380
>fantastic ones like the new Sylvaneth
They are too much over the top, but considering that has been the key word for the last years of GW designs...

>>50055597
>Over the top

The only ones Over the top are Drycha and maybe Isha

Kuranos Hunters are amazing.

I really struggle between 9th age and 8th. It's difficult to even care about 9th age when I have the BRB and army books. I don't have anyone to play with so I guess it doesn't matter.

>>50053147
Reaper Wererats is the cheapest. Look at their Beastmen too.

They have a wolf demon that is basically a stupid sexy Verminlord.

>>50055380
Some of the Ghoul stuff is nice, but almost all the Orruk art was shit or just terrible subject matter.

>>50055703
I think they look like dogshit for Wood Elves, but I'll probably snag some from eBay super cheap in a few years as nice Spirit Hosts. Much better than the stupid ET Spirit Hosts that were trying to be the monster from Poltergeist.

>>50057754
Enough AoS bullshit here.

>>50052419
Lizardmen or Daemons, and lizardmen are much more fun to paint

Ogres got hit a little to hard with the nerfbat and Skaven just don't feel the same

>>50055141
wait a second, I recognize that Bastiladon!

are they really just copying the miniatures and giving them a fancy filter and postprocessing?

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Oh damn, some actually good art?

>>50060782
6th and 7th edition had the best art.

>>50033150

Where is this mentioned? I always thought they sailed by sea to Naggaroth when the Sundering brought about the massive tidal waves that drowned Nagarythe.

I must admit I have never read about flying Black Arks.

>>50059056
I think that's why I like some of the Ghoul art actually. If you put your thumb on the Sigmarines, Orkmarines, and Mirrordorfs, it looks like Fantasy art. The scenes look like the Badlands rather than the cosmic nowhere the rest has tended towards.

>>50060991
>>Drutheira plunged her spirit down into the foundations of the tower, carrying with her the formless cloud of dark energy. She allowed herself to seep down into the rocks and tunnels on which the tower stood, breaking them free from the strata of the earth beneath. Further and further she stretched her spell, opening up massive cracks around the outer wall of the citadel, lifting the entire structure from the bedrock. Returning to her body, she stared out of the window and saw that she had cast the spell just in time.

The Sundering by Gav Thrope. A pretty poor series for Time of Legends, but there were still interesting moments.

How often do you guys change your units width in the middle of a fight, or see other people doing it? I mean going from EG 8-man-wide ranks to 5-man.

And willingly, not because everything is dead.

>>50061997
I didn't reform much but usually it was when having a wide frontage wasn't effective.

>>50059302
>Ogres got hit a little to hard with the nerfbat and Skaven just don't feel the same
Huh, that sucks.

I'll stick to the lizzies then. See if I can find my 200+ derpy Saurus warriors lying around.

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Can you use Necromancy to resurrect something Daemonic?

In End Times (yeah, I know, just please humor me with this) they added a character who's father was a Greater Daemon and his mother was a witch. This means Daemons must have some physical presence rather than just being solid magic that dissipates when defeated.

So would it be possible to somehow kill a Daemon with their physical form not vanishing like Yoda, then bringing them back as a Zombie or a Wight or something?

>>50063545
No. While daemons have bodies, that's only because of how their presence interacts with the real world. Once they die they dissolve and are sent back to the Realm of Chaos for a hundred years and a day. They also don't have souls since they're not beings like you or I, but part of the Chaos Gods which are ideas and emotions given form.

In short, no, but you could bind a daemon to a body.

>>50063624
So its impossible to have a Daemon skull, blood, viscera, and so on basically then.

So Khorne doesn't get anything out of Daemon on Daemon or Khornate on Daemon warfare then?

Also, I think it was in the lore somewhere that there was Ogres who gained a taste for Daemon meat. How does that work?

Need help remembering a book! Or rather, a short story. It was in an omnibus, though I cannot recall which.

The gist of the plot is that the small Empire town it's set in makes its living as wreckers, luring ships into crashing on its rocks and then killing and looting the crew. The twist this time was one of the crates on board had a troll in it and it ate them all.

One of my players fell to Stromfels and this seems likr a helpful story to reread

>>50063999
Not to say that it's impossible to gain those kinds of items, but generally it's in the form of some kind of gift, either from the Dark Gods themselves or a daemon who gives you his blood in a pact. Generally a daemon goes back home and takes his stuff with him when he's defeated.

Khorne doesn't gain power from blood, merely the act of violence. The Chaos Gods are so powerful because the emotions and ideas that empower them are so basic. Khorne's strength flows from warfare in all its forms, from a simple knife fight between drunks to battlefield carnage.

You can still eat a daemon, as it doesn't instantly dissolve. It's just a matter of when.

But with all lore, you can probably find exceptions. Magic, items, etc, that allow a daemons body to stay after its death. Personally I'm not a fan of the idea of Necromancy resurrecting a daemon by virtue of it not being a person or having a soul, but you could still find a way to keep its physical body around to mess with. Not in a dirty way, I hope.

>>50064058
>Not in a dirty way, I hope.
I was just thinking of slipping some skeletons with horns like the pic I posted into the ranks of my skelehorde for variation, and wanted to know if it was possible lorewise.

Can't think of a way to make an army of the undead look more intimidating than have them come to you having previously killed Daemons and added them to the shambling masses like they were no different from Empire peasants.
Like having the Romero zombies turn the Cenobites or Sadako kill Freddy Krueger, it puts them on a whole different level of "you're fucked".

>>50064188
I can't see a reason why they can't resemble daemons to give that impression. A Imperial halberdier wouldn't know that you can't raise a daemon from the dead, so the illusion would certainly spook him. Dark Magic does some pretty weird stuff.

>>50010270
So.. They wuz kangs? And sheit?

>>50064188
well you could say there are mutants/cultists who had abnormalities such as horns etc in life from their worship

Out of curiosity, what would be the motivation of a dwarf treasure hunter warband in Mordheim (I know its a silly question but id like another reason apart from "Shiny, gold, booze")? Also, whats your favourite mordheim warband and why?

>>50057754
Alot of the Savage Orruk Art was pretty cool. And the Beastclaw Art was cool too.

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>>50057785
So basically anything that doesn't confirm to your very autistic tastes is dogshit.

Kurnoth Hunters are probably one of the best Model kits we got in a LONG While.

>>50065059
>>what are opinions

>>50064046
Oh! I remember this one, I read it in the Tales of the Old World anthology. Can't recall the name of it, but I'll dig out my copy and get back to you.

>>50063545
Daemons have some sort of physical presence, but it's not a real body. It's enough to make them able to hurt you, but they don't have an actual body that remains on the physical plane, which is why they're sometimes immune to mundane weapons.

It is however possible to obtain parts of their body in certain circumstances, but I doubt their body has enough physical presence to remain as a single entity after the daemon's death. Blood or some body parts might remain but not the entire body.

>>50064872
Possibly recovering stolen artifacts. Mordheim is the blackest of black markets, so one assumes that some folks may pay for warpstone in valuable, stolen dwarf goods.

Of course, the skaven and Chaos are both hugely interested in Mordheim, so perhaps the dwarf band is there specifically to fill grudges.

>>50064287
They wuz, and they iz agaaaaain!

I can't make up Skaven names. Is there a Skaven name generator somewhere? or at least Skaven name compendium?

>>50066374
The Mordheim PC game has a random name generator that's pretty great.

>>50066476
hm, will have a look.

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>>50065655
I say this because I have a bunch of old citadeldwarves and among them is this fello, and it gives quite the possibility to make a "The 13th Warrior" homage using him and he other ones.

>>50064872
>Also, whats your favourite mordheim warband and why?
Skinks.

I don't know why, I just love their fluff, and it is hilarious imagining a bunch of Skinks run around trying to scavenge rocks they have no use for other, other than appeasing the snake god.

They also feel pretty strong honestly, despite their pretty shitty stats.

>>50066650
Looks like a great counts-as Arabian Merchant hired sword

>>50065059
Looks like something from a video game.

>>50066650
he looks so cuddly :3

>>50065059
They look super duper gay

>>50066374
There are random generators on the net, but they're kinda weaksauce, imo. Skaven first names are either usually a pun or an alternate spelling of an existing word. Onomatopoeia names are common too, usually based around scratchy, ratty noises. Finally, you have names associated with their clan.

Second names usually describe a feature or a behavior, not necessarily a flattering one.

So for, say, a Skryre skaven, a name like Snikzap the Whiskerless might work.

>>50067446
To be fair, most Skaven names sound like sound effects or something sinister or disease - related.

If you want pun names, look at Lizardmen. Tik tok, the Mazda master, Kroak and Tetto'eko... come on man.

Wud u pat a skaven?

>>50069260
Only to chop off my hand afterwards.

>>50001151
How do the lizardmen get across the sea when their faction is the 2nd most primitive in the setting (Beastmen are the first) and doesn't have boats. They wouldn't be very good at fulfilling the old ones plans when they are stuck on a single continent.

>>50069359
They are an aquatic species and half their units have water strider

How do you think?

Besides that, they have floating rocks and magic that can teleport shit, as well as moving entire mountain ranges. Why would a body of water be an issue?

>>50066883
A merchant dwarf thats gone too native and that refers to himself as "Gotri Ibn Gunar Ibn Bolg" but the other calm him "Iben" for short (no pun intended)

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>>50069260
got my skaven patter right here.

>>50069433
Half their units have water strider but not the sea creature special rule. The only thing a fresh water environment and salt water environment have in common is water. Though I understand the float and teleporting explanation. Is teleportation the domain of high magic or can other lores use it?

>>50064872
The noble leading the warband is from a small hold that has been overrun that he must take back. To do that he needs money, armies are expensive after all. So he's gathered up his closest cousins, brothers, nephews(and maybe a rebellious niece), a son or two and a few friends and have made the treck to Mordheim. After all, immense wealth is just there for the taking...

>>50069359
They teleport along leylines and then March the rest of the way. They've crossed short spans of the ocean by summoning magical bridges and marching across before. During storms of magic they can apparently teleport at will, since an army randomly showed up surrounding averheim during one such storm then vanished with it. Lizardmen actually do go all over the world, they're just almost never mentioned in anyone else's fluff as doing so for some reason. Same treatment tomb kings and ogres generally get as well

>>50069359
>>Lizardmen
>>Primitive
Just because they don't bust out the cool toys every day, doesn't mean they're primitive. Far from it. I'd say they're the most advanced faction, their magic and science being interchangeable. They clone soldiers en mass, teleport armies and have weapons that rip orbiting debris and send them crashing down to the planet. Thing is, they never recovered from the sucker punch that was the first Chaos daemon invasion, a conflict in which MILLIONS of Saurus died fighting in. While the elves did the most effective fighting, the Lizardmen took the brunt of the conflict.

>>50070970
Can every faction use teleportation to get around? If so, I suppose boats are still necessary due to being stable transportation that isn't reliant on the winds of magic.
>>50071564
Do they know how their technology functions and can create more of it? I think the fluff says that they don't know how a bunch of their machines work, just how to use it.

>>50071651
>Can every faction use teleportation to get around?
Not in the same way the lizardmen can, no. And the lizardmen can only do it because they have ancient alien technology and the best mages in the setting.

>>50071651
I believe they know how it works and how to maintain it, but the Lizardmen act according to a very vague plan a race of gods left behind in their hasty rush out the door. A plan laid down in magical plaques that the wisest Slann can only attempt to interpret. So when Chotec Lord of the Sun commands the Slann to bust out the Starchaser Diamond, or whatever, to throw at the approaching Skaven horde, they do so without a second thought. I imagine they just don't get a lot of opportunities to play with all these amazing toys because the plaques say not to just yet.

>>50071651
No, teleportation requires a lot of effort just for individuals, to safely teleport armies requires Slaan level skill and acess to a leylines or endtimes/storm of chaos levels of magic.

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I really wish they played Malekith as more of a pragmatic Dr. Doom type character than the king of the Murderelves who live in rapeistan. We already have Dark lord characters, they could have done more with his character

>>50069359
They can teleport along the geomantic leylines if the Slann can be arsed

>>50071788
He's pragmatic enough to keep his mother around, even though she's the head of an illegal cult, makes pacts with daemons and knows when to fuck off when a battle goes south, but yeah I suppose I could see what you mean.

More willing to work with 'Order' forces when it suits him and just as likely to attack them depending on his needs. Though I personally like him as the near immortal spoiled son of a madman who started a civil war because he didn't get what he wanted.

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>>50068708
did you say puns?

>>50072304
The good old days when the character names were clever puns

>>50072365
the lizardman character mounts are all named after dinobots

>>50071651
They don't really know how their most advanced stuff works or how to replicate it since the ones that did either died or dissapeared in the Chaos Invasion. They just know how to use them and maintain them but there is a lot of extra religious ritual added to it.

The Slann might be able to figure it out but they are either focused on other tasks or half comatose in their "meditations".

Would you play a World of Darkness style urban fantasy game that uses Warhammer Fantasy lore?