Horus Heresy General /hhg/

I've decided I'm going to be doing an Alpha Legion force using the RoW that makes Headhunters into Troops. What sorts of units should I be backing them up with, and do people usually keep them at 5 and take more squads, or just bump them up to 10?

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>>49997464
Arrrgh, get outta my swamp. Also, did you add the links to the OP?

Because I didn't add them to the pasta https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww98.zippyshare.com%2Fv%2Fe6VFn2St%2Ffile.html
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>>49997502
No I didn't, Morty.

In all seriousness, in the event of 4chan dying permanently we should really organise a contingency

>>49997508
Thanks anon :|

>>49997515
I've heard people will migrate to eighto chan. Does anyone use that? Last time I went there it was only old threads.

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What would you put in one?
>>49997515
Maybe someone should make a strawpoll.

>>49997515
I'm not going to touch anything that isn't anonymous, the amount of namefagging here is critically high already

>>49997543
I don't know about at the moment but it used to be popular until mid-2015 when a lot of people came back here or just stopped posting
I would say that its /tg/ is probably our best option in the event of 4chan's death

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>>49997515
I guess we can use Rizon I think it's called.
>>49997533
Welcome.

>>49997555
Multiple and Devastating Offensive Despoilers
>>49997569
You mean the wiki? Because I'd love to go there.

>>49997578
>>49997582
Can we definitely put down 8/tg/ as our contingency?

What I wouldn't miss are these pop-ups.
>Meet & Date Adorable Russian Ladies
I think Japanese Moot has a Russian fetish.
>>49997602
Why not?

>>49997602
>>49997612
Why yes?
Also, Russian ladies are always looking for men like you, anon. That's a fact of life.

>>49997555
I'd make a poll, but I don't know all the options.

I wonder who will be the OverTzeentch 9999999

>>49997649
I'll guess Anonymous will be.

>>49997622
There's way more women in Russia than men because of the USSR and their wars, gulags, etc. At least that used to be the case. Not all that surprising women are desperate enough to be mail order brides

>>49997694
I also make $157326 from my home and doctors hate me, here's my secret www.come-on-now.tumblr.reddit.nk

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>>49997778

>.nk

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What are the odds on custards getting Best Pattern jetbikes, opening the way for easy ("easy") conversions of skyhunters that aren't the ridiculous dickbikes?

>>49997834
>best pattern
>anything other than bullock

I will fight you, heretic!

>>49997612
I'm getting ads for arab ladies. Makes sense since I'm swedish...

Anyone got any ideas what we could see for agents of the warmaster?

I wanna see daemonic assassins like spear from nemesis, maybe some kind of davinite priest able to summon daemons, maybe some kind of dark mechanicum assassin?

>>49997834
>>49997874

Jetbike chariots when?

>>49997889
I'm getting ads for super secrets about penny from the big bang theory.

What do people use for Alpharius? Could I just take a regular marine and put them on a suitably large base?

>>49997911
I'd like to see some kind of infiltrator designed to reduce enemy leadership and create animosity

>>49997944
Most people us the alpharius that comes with BaC, but I reckon there'll be more people using the on that comes out with BoP as I think it looks nicer

>>49997951
Some kind of AL saboteur who can be taken by everyone? Like how any loyalist army can take Endryd Haar?

>>49997944

Kabuki studios hydra knight

>>49997889
This comment cannot express how much my sides were blown away.
>Tfw we managed to acquire kebab and turn it into a taco without needing to have muslims, only 0.003%
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>>49997951
Aren't the TS getting a psyker assassin unit?

I have a few lore question, did new recruits go through a similar process in 30k as they did in 40k? And what was the emperor's children like pre-fall to rapey chaos?

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I'm gettimg burning of propsero tomorrow and am going to make it how the box suggests and use it to start a space wolves and a thousand sons army. I was thinking of adding some space wolves and thousand spins shoulder pads from forge world to differentiate them a bit, would this be enough or should I do more legion specific customisation? Also what else do I need to start playing 30k? Someone mentioned a red book in another thread?

>>49998108
>I have a few lore question, did new recruits go through a similar process in 30k as they did in 40k? And what was the emperor's children like pre-fall to rapey chaos?
The recruitment process was far more lax as they took kids, bums off the street, and even a hybrid(Typhon/Typhus) into their ranks. This created flaws within the process that allowed Chaos to exploit and turn over many legionaries. As for the EC they were perfectionists. They valued dueling, and art which is a reason why the Emperor loved them. They were one of the few legions who actually did something other than just kill. You can actually see it all in the FW books in the OP links.

>>49998111

If you're just collecting that sounds completely fine

If you're trying to get an actual game army, I would implore you to pick one legion and stick with it until you have a reasonable sized army before starting another

Unless disposable income is no problem, in which case buy 3 boxes of prospero and go nuts

So the Vulturax is out, and its rules seem unchanged from the last preview we got. It still has flareshields, but a flareshield only "operates against shooting attacks that strike a vehicles' front arc"
And the vulturax is not a vehicle. Oh FW, how you make me laugh sometimes.

>>49997491
Unless you really, really like losing every game, I'd go PotL instead and use Headhunter models as veterans. Because Headhunters and their ROW are really

really

very bad.

>>49998111
>space wolves and a thousand sons army
>Taking the two legions without rules and allying them together
By the Emperor's command

>>49998108
The first few HH books cover it well but as the other anon said, they were unusual in that they also valued art, poetry, duelling in honourable if impractical ways. They were also obsessed with perfection and prided themselves on being (in their minds) the best legion almost to the point of arrogance, always meticulously planning every assault and battle.

>>49998220
Sorry I am not planning on allying them together but On slowly building up two seperate legions and learning the rules of the bop box and then the Horus heresey with my girlfriend

>>49998108
>And what was the emperor's children like pre-fall to rapey chaos?
Very good generalists both at strategy, tactics and personal skill, many times outpacing the specialists of other legions. Preferred speed in battle and meticulous planning in strategy whenever possible. Honorable duellists both in war and peace, held much respect for strong opponents. Valued all manner of fine arts highly.
Perfectionists to the point of obsession, vainglorious, arrogant, pompous and jealous.

>>49998213
What's bad about them? Too many points or is the downside of needing to slay the enemy warlord too much?

>>49998262

Points. They cost double of veterans and like 1.5 of seekers and do almost everything worse. Apparently they're getting a well deserved points decrease sometime in the future at which time they'll be fine.

Post favorite LOWs for 3k games

Ordinatus sagittar!

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>>49998111

>Mk4 with a Mk3 chest plate

I didn't know how much I wanted it until I saw it

At last I truly see

>>49998300
It's not a MkIII chest plate, it's the CC chestplate that comes with the MkIV power weapons set

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>>49998308

I don't doubt you but that looks like Mk3 to me

>>49998262
Headhunters are waaaay to many points. For example : a headhunter kill team with 10 combi-plasma (which is the only way to make them at least a little usefull) are around the same amount of points as 10 terminators with combi-plasma. And banestrike ammo is mostly a crap version of rending for which you pay points ánd lose 8'' range on your bolters.

The ROW itself is mostly limits for little to no gain. The only real benefit it provides is re-roll sieze, but there are other ROW that do that too. And for that you can't start any vehicles on the table, have to take the worst unit in 30k as troops, have to slay the warlord or hand over a lot of VP. There's just no redeeming factor, even the Ld. before shooting is only one game turn and likely to have no effect on vehicles.

Is the Knight styrix any good? That volkite gun is sexy, I want it.

>>49998323
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-BE/Legion-MKIV-Power-Weapons-Set

>>49998271
>>49998327
Well darn. I guess I'll use them as Vets then.

>>49998323
It's true it does, when I first saw the MkIV power weapon set I was like "why does it come with MkIII chests?"

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>>49998343
>>49998352

Love it

>>49998348

Don't feel bad, you can just use them as seekers or vets until they're buffed

>>49998327
I once got tabled turn three by a headhunter leviathal list with Alpharius lol

The army was nice AF though and the game was good so IDGAF

Are Seekers viable anti-TEQ with Scorpius ammo?

>>49998428

How did he get you?

>>49998470

They can do it alright if that's their set target. They can do it ridiculously well if they take combi weapons.

>>49997564
On Discord you can rename people I think, and yeah AngryWiteGuy would be banned if I was admin.

>>49998287
Warhound Scout Titan with turbo laser destination destroyers

>>49998308
It is. Look at the TS next to him. The MkIII plate has the segmented armour visible from the sides, while the MKIV armoured torso has smooth sides (like the MkIV) and often some cabling. The SW in >>49998111 just has the SW upgrade torso, which is a MkIII torso.

>>49998571
Nah, It's the CC chestplate from the MkIV power weapons set, it's different to a regular MkIV Chestplate

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-BE/Legion-MKIV-Power-Weapons-Set

>>49998328
The knight Styrix is a sex machine, I'd avoid that hekaton claw upgrade, though.

It also, as of now, is not supported in 40k. You coukd always houserule that though.

>>49998474
Preferred enemy can be brutal, lots of combi-plas and banestrike in high enough numbers really starts to add up

I didn't really have much artificer armour so he picked off my sergeants and special weapons guys pretty easily, while alpharius and lerneans walked through my praetor and his jetbike boys with ease

The thing that gave him the most trouble was my storm eagle, but a lucky lascannon shot killed it which in turn ended the game for me

>>49998619
Eh I'm not bothered about using it in 40k, I play CSM there anyway

Can you take it without the hekaton? Just give it a reaper instead?

>>49998287
You'd need 4100 points for that IIRC.

>>49998745
Yeah, the ordinatii and titans are basically only for apocalypse games

WHich coincidentally, I had my first game of HH apocalypse recently. 5000pts of IH, 2500pts of loyalist DG, 2500pts of WS, vs 5000pts of cults, 2500pts of AL, and 2500pts of Daemons. It was a fun as fuck clusterfuck

>>49998650
Absolutely and as its based of the plastic kit you can do just that modelwise.

>>49998849
Please share this story with the class. I would love to hear it.

>>49998745
Nah, that's the one with the Volcano Cannon. 700 Points

Does anyone have a link to the new WD?

>>49999029
https://mega.nz/#F!Wl5DAbCb!TYxZG4CgX_x-NJu7JBwbZQ!LoBA0bqS

>>49998745
Nah, you can take it in the Mechanicum Leviathan formation, 1 LoW Warlord with another 2 optional LoW. It ignores the usual restrictions on LoW, you can even take an Allied detachment with it.

>>49999042
Thanks.

Reading The First Heretic, and wow I hate Lorgar even more now.
Emperor: I made you as a warrior, go forth and conquer the galaxy
Lorgar: I don't wanna
At least Magnus tried to dissuade him

>>49999090
you're welcome

>>49999126
You have to remember the HH series is a post hoc explanation from bad writers about events that were left vague for a reason. Expecting anything good to come out of it is folly.

>>49998650
The Hekaton is an upgrade, it has a Reaper chainsword as default, the claw costs 25 points.

In terms of rules, both are S:D AP:2 Melee weapons, but the Claw has Wrecker as an additional special rule.
The major difference between the two is the Wrecker rule in melee and the fact that the claw has a twin-linked rad cleanser as well. (a S:2 AP:5 Assault 1 Fleshbane Radphage flamer).

>>49999089
>mechanicum yet again not playing by the same rules as everyone else
Figures.

>>49999187

It requires express permission from your opponent.

>>49999225
>>49999187
Its also just as usable by Legions as it is by mechanicum

>>49998896
seconded

>>49998896

>5000 points of cults

Holy shit, so many models.

>>49998896
It was from a campaign me and my friends ran months ago, the final big climactic battle as the planet was getting swallowed up by a warp storm

Shit was pretty hectic, the cults player had something ridiculous like nearly 300 levys on the board, we had to borrow troops from nearly every IG player we knew, as well as he had shitloads of russes driving round fucking shit up.

The AL player was playing orbital assault and was just dropping shit everywhere it was needed, made it really hard to form a good counter attack, that and the giant levy hordes everywhere.

The daemons player had a mostly khorne army but had a few tzeentchian heralds who were just trying to summon more bloodletters and pink horrors, as well as having anggrath stomping round fucking shit up.

The IH player had a few squads of immortals in Land raiders and his praetor with gorgons in a spartan. Oh yeah and a fellblade and a glaive. I think that glaive must of SHOOOMed nearly 3000pts worth of models off of the board throughout the whole game, it was ridiculous.

The DG player had mostly tacs and flamer support squads, as well as a couple squads of termis with his praetor. They all died holding the line against a fucking huge tide of daemons, the highlight of which was anggrath deleting the praetor and his command squad in one charge. The flamer squads managed to almost triple their worth in points killing daemons and levys.

I was the WS, I mostly had bike squads, javelins and veteran squads in storm eagles. I spent most of my time chasing AL round the board, which was quite fitting to the narrative of our campaign as they dicked me over at nearly every corner during the campaign.

All in all, loyalists won, we had about 1400pts worth of models, which was pretty much just the fellblade, a few of my biker squads, and the IH and WS praetors. The DG all died gloriously, knee deep in daemons.

I'll finish up what I was saying in another post

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>>49999363
>The DG player had mostly tacs and flamer support squads, as well as a couple squads of termis with his praetor. They all died holding the line against a fucking huge tide of daemons, the highlight of which was anggrath deleting the praetor and his command squad in one charge. The flamer squads managed to almost triple their worth in points killing daemons and levys.
Praise the Man Emperor for their sacrifice.

>>49999363
The Traitors had pretty much nothing left, all of the cults and daemons were dead, the AL had a squad of tacticals and a squad of seekers who were about to get angrily curbstomped by the last of the immortals and my bikers

HIGHLIGHTS

>My cortus clearing a path through levies but then getting blown up by a melta grenadier squad, but leaving the perfect opening for my praetor and his jetbikers to charge the AL praetor next turn, finally killing him after weeks of trying to

>the fellblade killing anggrath turn six whilst on it's last hull point, pretty much winning the game for us

>almost 3000pts of daemons and death guard deleting each other over the course of two turns

>AL dread missing spectacularly with their plasma cannons and hitting a squad of levys who were about to overrun my recon squads, which caused the levys to break morale

>a psychic battle between a tzeentch herald and a DG librarian, which resulted in mortarion being right as the librarian and his squad were dragged into the warp after failing perils

All in all probs the best game of warhammer I've ever played, took nearly 4 days playing on and off, and also set up the next campaign we were planning quite nicely.

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>>49998604
Go be wrong somewhere else.

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>>49999562
>which resulted in mortarion being right as the librarian and his squad were dragged into the warp after failing perils
Sounds like you had a killer game. How did Anggrath survive till turn 6 when there was both fellblade AND glaive on the table?

>>49999363
Just realised a typo there, it was nearly 500 not 300 levys lol

We drew the line there because we physically couldn't fit anymore in their deployment zone, despite it being nearly half the board

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>>49999363
>>49999562
FUCKING GLORIOUS

>>49999637
The glaive got blown up really quick so didn't get much of a chance to shoot at him, and he kept his distance from the fellblade as well as a sea of levys and various types of grenadier trying to blow it up

>>49999666
holy fucking shit
most GEQ's ive ever seen on the table is 200, cant even imagine 500
you happen to have any pics?

>>49999722
Nope, I'm trying to get in contact with some of my friends who I played it with but they're all either asleep or at work, fucking normies

After a while we stopped trying to move them individually and just started picking up handfuls and putting them down roughly six inches from where they started. Lots of arms snapped off, probably wasn't the best idea t.b.h

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how rage inducing would 40k bikes be in HH games?
obviously making the marines riding them mark 4

>>49999618
This picture is truly a testament to /hhg/s autism

>>49999780
movement trays are your best friends in apocalypse

>>49999790
I use them cause they're cheaper and nicer imo, except my bikers are MkV not MkIV just cause MkV is easier to convert to

If anyone has a problem with them after they've been converted then just don't play them, probably would of been a shit game anyway.

>>49999806
>>49999780
This, even if they dont fit quite as well as fantasy's square bases its still infinitely faster

>>49999806
That was a lesson we learnt, if we were ever to put that many models on the board again we'd definitely have to get some movement trays

>>49999790
>how rage inducing would 40k bikes be in HH games?
REE-
>obviously making the marines riding them mark 4
-EEeeeeee... That would be fine.

>>49998849
>5000pts of cults

Anon was there any room on the table after 1000 cultists were placed down

>>49999923
Aha just speaking to my friend who played the cults, he we started with said it was exactly 450 levys on the table as that was all we could fit on, with another squad coming from reserves once they'd all started to move up.

>>49999794
>proven wrong on something anyone with a pair of eyes can see
>"Whatever, autismotron, I play for fun."

>>49997555
Wait, what does explorator adaption do? At work so I can't look it up myself.

>>50000136
Vehicles get 6++ vs blasts and templates, counts as void hardened, and must reroll failed dangerous terrain tests

>>49999155
The writing is fine, Lorgar just a shit. Guilliman was a statesman and Fulgrim an artist, but they at least fought and fought well without questioning. Even Magnus states that he's a scholar himself, but the achievements of his small legion put the word bearers to shame and Lorgar needs to man the fuck up.

>>49998287
I want to use a Mastodon....

>>50000186
Leave my primarch alone! Lorgar and the Word Bearers were one of the few legions that left functioning worlds in their wake. The Word Bearers are also one of the few surviving legions after the heresy.

How are Grav Rapiers as a way of removing Vehicles does it set up a big zone of FUCK YO0U SPARTAN?

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>>50000383
haywire is always good as well as the area of DENIED

>>50000379
>Who are the EC, WS, IF, IH, UM, TS, SoH, Sallies, and RG

>>50000411
They are outranged by most Heavy weapons and lack Relentless, so correct positioning is needed.

>>50000451
>EC
Degenerates.
>WS
A pile of skulls does not count as functioning
>IF
Fair
>IH
Killing everyone for weakness does not count
>TS
Destroying everything except the local library
>SoH
Ruined worlds left in their wake
>RG
Fair choice

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>>50000527

>>50000379
>>50000451
>>50000520
>tfw the Iron Warriors are once more forgotten
Iirc, they actually left planets intact since Pert understand how governments worked.

>>50000552
wish they'd cover more about how the iron warriors were actually really productive when it came to doing the great crusading
all you ever hear about is the 'muh meat grinder'

https://discord.gg/evvg2
The contingency plan, any comments or criticisms greatly wanted and needed

>>50000520
>Degenerates
They were akin to the role model student (Paragons of War, Palatine Aquila honours) that came from a poor upbringing (200 marines left, Chemosian-borns are sons of miners).
Then some fucking WB narc introduced them to Turbo-crackOkodril and they took a liking to it, so don't you come and tell me they were degenerates, you preacher-iconoclast hypocrite.
Word Bearers, everyone.

>>50000552
I'm an IW, so I didn't forget them. Perty utterly broke those planets. Then again, that was what they usually were called for. For the cases when Compliance was to be taken from the enemy's ashes.

How to get rid of Red Butchers without letting them get into CC?

>>50000784
Fuck up their Spartan with Haywire

>>50000784
As who? Mechanicum's Thanatar have S8 plasma.
>>50000798
Also this. Cataphractii in LRs are vulnerable to mobility kills.

>>50000784
Shooting them, probably.

>>50000600
God damn you 6 getting in the way of my hepts
>>49999666
>>49999780
>>49999830
Don't use fantasy, use the LotR movement trays, as both systems work on round bases

>>49998108
Seems to vary by legion. Praetorian of Dorn showed Imperial Fist initiates dying left and right at every stage. I hope they were exaggerating how few of them survived, because by my calculation they would have gone through 200 million preteen boys in order to build a legion of ~100,000. A bit too grimdark for me.

If you recruit from a hive world, maybe you can get away with it. But a lot of legions were getting most of their Late Crusade initiates from a single feral world. You'd destroy the planet's population in a generation if you had that high a failure rate.

>>49999790
Convert them to look more like the FW ones and we're game

>>50000872
>Praetorian of Dorn showed Imperial Fist initiates dying left and right at every stage.
So, the same as in 40k?
>I hope they were exaggerating how few of them survived, because by my calculation they would have gone through 200 million preteen boys in order to build a legion of ~100,000. A bit too grimdark for me.
No problem anon, people is what mankind has in abundance. It does make you wonder how many children did the IW went through. Low rate of geneseed rejection means little when, after 60% average casualties you are still 165 000 marines.
>If you recruit from a hive world, maybe you can get away with it. But a lot of legions were getting most of their Late Crusade initiates from a single feral world. You'd destroy the planet's population in a generation if you had that high a failure rate.
Barbarus could support Meatgrinder Death Guard on its own. Sure, only 90k marines, but still. Maybe the process was easier and faster in 30k, and had a wider selection criteria, since Primarch DNA was available to correct any flaws.

>>49999126

He was misused. His skill was in cementing the compliance of newly-taken worlds... something that should definitely have been of use to the Crusade. They should have let him do that, especially given how well Lorgar and the Word Bearers worked with army and militia units. Meanwhile the bulk of the legion could go conquer stuff while rotating into post-compliance duty.

>>50000520
>>WS
>A pile of skulls does not count as functioning
Are you thinking WE?

>>50000973
I think a lot of the loyalist legions recruited in a similar way to 40k chapters... except it works a lot better when you only need 1,000. There's no way Fenris, Chogoris, or Baal could support a full legion, even if their much lower rejection rate than the IF.

>>50001016
The historical mongols would gather the heads/skulls of those slaughtered in a siege.

>>50000872
>>50000973
Imperial Fists recruit from a shit ton of worlds, many of which are hive worlds like Necromunda and fucking Terra. Dorn himself said he wanted recruits not vassals and took them from any suitable world.

>>49998108
depends on the legion, Ultramarines had Macragge and Armatura, which had massive initiation programs drawing on all the 500 worlds of ultramar for manpower and thus a lot of recruits.

Other Legions only recruited from their home systems, and stayed rather small.

while yet other legions like the world eaters recruited suitable candidates on the go and thus were very mixed.

>>50000798
That's why you give them a Dreadclaw instead.

>>50000600
Das expired, nigguh.

>>50001168
https://discord.gg/wYS2J6b

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>>50001260
>a contingency plan that requires namefagging

why the fuck would you need a contingency plan? even if 4chan was going to shut down, he'd give a lot of notice. and then we could just move to 8 or whatever other chan has a /tg/

>>49998111
Be aware that Thousand Sons and Space Wolves won't have rules for at least several more months.

>>50000872
>A bit too grimdark for me.

Wrong game if its too "grimdark" for you, this IS the literal epitome of grimdarkness as far as games go.

Besides Imperial Fists, like all the legions, recruited not just from one world but rather every other world they conquered which was a requirement for the legion considering they were one of the legions thats meant for the meatgrinder that is sieges and assaults but unlike the IW the Fists have an entire culture of sacrifice and pain so its not Dorn or the captains sending men into their deaths and using them as ammo but rather every single legionnaire is willing to be the ammo and never retreat.

And its the same as 40k where they go around losing entire companies worth of men like it aint no thing.

>>50001733
"The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic."

>>50000979
So IW did the work of WB? Another misuse in the annals of IW...

>>50001676
Yah so about that. Can I just follow existing rules for unit size type loadout that exist now. It will those be drastically different when the chapter rules come out.

>>50001733
Losing men is one thing - this is 11 year olds dying from pain..

>>50001783
This makes me wish IW had a fantasy dwarfs style book of grudges.

The Book of Bitterness

>>50001791
Unit types and Equipment doesn't change that much over legions, You'll probably get frost weapons ans your special stuff and maybe Chainaxes like WE


Unlisted legions get either Stubborn or Furious Charge for their 30 chapter tactics equivalent

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>>50001750
Depends on the man.
Depends on the million.

>>50000379
As a Word Bearer myself, I can confirm that Lorgar is a piece of shit that's nothing but a burden to the legion.

>>50001852
>maybe chainaxes like WE

Fuck off, I don't want to share.

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>>50001828
Yes, and? Its nothing new, it has always been the case for marine recruitment that thousands of children die before they can fill a full company of marines.

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>>50001844
>He doesn't know about the Book of Bitter Iron
That's a decimating.

>>50001650
>namefagging
>Oh no then Hillary kkkikelinton will know that I spend my money on Warhammer
Just nickname everyone as Anon then if matters so much to you

>>50001675
Because they'll have different banter to us, and the normal things we do may be bannable offences there

>>50001887
Guess what? SW's chainaxes will be unambiguously free, while WE will continue to cost the same number of points as Leman Russ has primarch kills.

>>50001852
I guess I should have said I was looking a TS.

>>50001986
Buy what you want for now, then just wait for the rules to see what direction you want to go.

>>50001650
>Implying it matters
Seriously, people around here go full retard every time someone decides to take up a name.

>>50001675
7ch /tg/ is horribly slow, with a clunky catalog.
8ch /tg/ seems to have an 11 there limit or is absolutely dead.

I don't see a problem with temporarily migrating to Discord in case 4chan goes the way of the dodo, if we can find something better again, we can always move again.

>>50002003
Autism is as common as shitposting 'round these places.

>>50001986
Well in that case you'll get a fancy Kopesh as your melee weapon and probably ML1 HQs in which case just build whatever units you want

>>50001980
I've never understood the issue with axes. If your marine is armed with a bolter and combat blade, you pay for the extra CCW so he gets an axe. When he's armed with a chainsword and bolt pistol, he gets a free axe. It's not a difficult thing to grasp.

>>50002048
People are claiming that you can have bolter, pistol and axe for free.

>>50002112
All that can be said about them is that they can't comprehend simple sentences. If English is their first language, then they should probably just shoot themselves and save us the trouble.

>>50002007
8ch an doe sn't even let you post scans

>>50002048
>>50002150

Because it's any model with access to Chainswords can take a Chainaxe for free Tacticals have access to Chainswords thus get them for free

Either way with assault marines getting buffed and getting them for free it matters less

Either way don't let this thread become Chainaxes General

>>50001980
So, nobody knows for sure?

>>50002191
The matter has been settled already.

>>50002217
>NO FAQ
>FAQ YOU

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>>50002217

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>>50002150
The problem is that FW refuses to use the same formatting for similar abilities. If they would rewrite them in the format they used for the Dark Angels equipment the argument would be over, but instead they keep using the same ambiguous statement.

>>50002150
I think it's genuinely confusing. Using the term "access to" was a mistake, and the source of debate.

But they used that term again in the Blood Angels rules in HH6.
>Any model with... access to a volkite serpenta as part of their Wargear options may instead take a hand flamer for +15 points.
>Any model with... access to a plasma pistol as part of their Wargear options may instead take an inferno pistol for +15 points.
>Any Praetor, Centurion or Consul... with access to a power fist as part of their Wargear options may instead take a Blade of Perdition for +20 points.

Doesn't that imply that you DON'T have to first pay for the original item, or does a Blade of Perdition cost 40 points total?

Does anyone know what the best way to use and equip cataphractii Termiantors in an anti command squad/anti MEQ role is? Also is there an effective way to Deep Strike them beyond taking the Steel Rehn RoW? I want a hammer and anvil army and I'd rather the termies were in the hammer.

Also, how do people deal with knights normally? I'm looking at including a knight in the anvil as an unignorable distration.

>>50001675
>>49997515

Out of interest, does anyone actually know how much 4chan costs to run a year? Also does anyone have figures on storage usage, hits per minute, average bandwidth usage and I/O in the hosting servers?

>>50002319
'access to' means 'can take'. 'Has' is normally specified with 'with', as in 'any model with a bolter may exchange it...'

super newb question
wheres haar's rules?

>>50002384
HH6

>>50002427
cheers

>>50002158
BOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

>>50002319
I've seen a few people with despoilers in their list and they always pay for the chainaxe. They get a chainsword by default as despoilers, so there's no need to pay for the axe. If they model them with bolters and axes, then they pay for the axe. Realistically, tacticals and despoilers should have different unit entries. I know they're the same unit with different equipment, but it'd help get these issues out of the way.

I don't see Blackshields get talked about much. Does anyone here run them? How do they do?

The problem isn't with "access to," the problem is with "for free." If they said "at no additional cost" it would be clear an unambiguous, and the forgeworld e-mail supports that this is how it was intended to begin with.

>>50002484
yeah I think it's weird. I love the idea of blackshields but never see any lists here.

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>Lernaen squad with chargers
>infiltrating heavy support squad with culverins
>drop podding double culverin contemptor
>glaive

>>50002484
>>50002643

Blackshields can't take RoW so they are very limited with what they can do well. I think that is the main thing that turns people off since RoW help amp up a specific builds strengths turning it from "This is a cool idea" to "I only lose 70% of the time instead of 93%"

>>50002003
Because they're uneccesary.

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So... I was looking forward to the rules for this thing, but I have to admit it's a bit over the top. ETA for free? A fucking Flare Shield? Night Vision instead of an Infravisor (counts as I1 for blind tests, so you have a trade-off)? Like, the only thing about it that doesn't seem over the top is that it's only S4 so the Vector Strike attack only has a 50% chance to delete a marine and can't hurt vehicle fliers. The fact that it gets all this free wargear on top of the great weapons and statline for only 175 points just seems like too much.

Adding more Haywire to the game definitely is a big fuck you to LR/Spartan-centric assault infantry armies, too, as if the points increase on Spartans wasn't enough already. To be honest I'm not sure if that's a good or a bad thing, though, since running two of them would be pretty scary against a Knight player as well and it seems no one here likes people that run more than one Knight.

>>50002832
Shit anti infantry guns in a game filled with power armour, shit at assault, no invulnerable and 175 points for three useful shots a turn. That is balanced. You want unbalanced? Look at Rapiers with Laser Destroyers for S9 AP1 Twin Linked Ordnance for fucking 55 Points.

>>50002939
>four accurate S5 blasts per turn
>useless
Not everything Mechanicum has needs to be AP3, anon. Power Armor fails a third of the time. It'll still kill marines.

Three BS5 Haywire shots per turn is going to do more reliable damage to vehicles than most dedicated anti-tank weapons that exist in the game, too. Also, have modifiers against cover saves makes it better at anti-air, and a 3+ armor means that most anti-air weapons (which are AP4 usually) don't even necessitate a jink. A Fire Raptor is going to eat it alive, but what else is new, Fire Raptors are insane.

>>50003029
Actually Fire Raptors only fire snap shots at it, they can only fire at full ballistic skill against ground units as they are Attack Flyers. They shouldn't be, but they are. And I'm not saying the blasts should be ap3. Just that it balances them. 175 Points isn't OP, it's a pretty fair price for a fairly niche model.

>>50003055
>Implying anyone actually uses Death from the Skies

>>50003055
Wait, people aren't actually using Death from the Skies in HH are they? That shit is fucking retarded. It's one thing for FW to give us roles, pursuit and agility values; that doesn't mean we have to use that shit.

>>50003092
>>50003101
Well anyway, I've used one ingame once and it seemed fairly balanced. Yeah Death from the skies is stupid, and without it they can be killed easily by almost any flyer, so seems like they aren't op. Myrmidon Secutors chuck out 6 BS5 blasts for 210

>>50003127
>Well anyway, I've used one ingame once and it seemed fairly balanced.
The Vultarax? The rules have been out for like 12 hours. You got busy fast. Or did you mean the Fire Raptor, because they're in every 30k meta it seems. The only reason not to get one in a legion army is because the model is a warped piece of shit to build and not everyone wants to deal with all the green stuffing to patch holes and misaligned parts.

>Myrmidon Secutors
Are slow as shit, short ranged and easy to shoot at? I thought everybody gave up on running them a long time ago.

>>50003168
Been out since the event. Someone posted it on Bolter and Chainsword. I gave up on them because I run Legio Cybernetica and prefer less human bodies

>>50003168
M8, Vulturax rules have been (experimentally) released for weeks.

>>50003177
>>50003176
Wait, really? I missed that. My bad, then.

>>50003168
>Are slow as shit, short ranged and easy to shoot at?
What is a Triaros. It's not like a Domitar is a better option.

It's strange. The thread has been slow today, yet nobody is using the discord failed failsafe.

>>50002821
Doesn't matter. People sperg about it. If someone wants to use a name so that they can be identified, who the fuck cares.

>>50003301

Everyone should be out buying their copies of BoP today. Expect tons of 'Just brought BoP' in the next few hours/days.

>>50003283
Why take either? Just use Castellax. They're good shooting, they're good assault, and they're troops. Only thing they don't do anymore is score. It's a shame the Domitar is so mediocre because the model is great, but yeah, the Castellax kind of already does everything you need your big bruisers to do. There's also the Arlatax (especially if you run Scoria).

So.. I'm assuming you just mean "what do I do with Elites slots?" Honestly, other than maybe taking tech-priests for repair spam or cheap fire support I've never seen anything in Mechanicum Elites that seemed worth using.

Secutors seem good for Zone Mortalis, but in an open battle they seem a bit too expensive for what they do and W2 T5 is very enticing for S10 instant deathing. They're not terrible, especially when you compare them to a lot of Legion special snowflake unique units, but they're not good, either.

>>50003301
>why aren't people using an option for when 4chan dies when 4chan isn't dead yet

t. Jaden Smith

Clarify something for me.

I've always had a hard time understanding what was so unique The Sons Of Horus brought to the table tactically, from a fluff perspective.

All the literature makes such a big fucking deal about "OMG THE SPEARTIP", but that seems like the very basic, universal Space Marine tactic of an alpha strike to the enemy's leadership/elites. Isn't that... basically just a combo of the tactics that are supposed to be represented by the Orbital Assault and Pride Of The Legion rites of war?

What do they have to define themselves tactically that isn't already covered by other Legions? Pod assault is the domain of Blood Angels, Space Wolves, and Raven Guard: Raven Guard, Night Lords, Emperor's Children and Alpha Legion all do alpha/decapitation strikes. What gives?

I get that when RG does an alpha decapitation strike it's with kill-teams exploding out of nowhere and leaving just as soon as they came, whereas SoH port in some Justaerin who completely raze the entire location, enemy personnel included, but... is that really such a huge defining aesthetic feature?

I just don't get what the Sons' THING is. Help me understand.

>>50003364
Being the best.

>>50003331
I plan to run 3 Domitars soon because I love the models and always having disordered charges against them is surprisingly useful.

>>49999363
>>49999507
Sounds amazing.

IH guy has good taste!

Immortals in spartans, check

Glaive ,check

I just hope he gave everyone volkitr that couldmcarty it.

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I was there, at the end of things...

So what's our failsafe again?

>>50003381
What bothers me is that that's been traditionally part of the ECs portfolio for longer than the current FW HH conception of the Sons of Horus as a legion has existed. The overlap is confusing and frustrating.

>>50003452
fucking chink moot
delete the high traffic porn boards, /b/ and /pol/ and things will be better

>>50003452
Its just the greedy nip stealing our sheckels, 4chan isnt going to die. Stop over-reacting

>>50003168
Your meta has Fire Raptors? I've barely heard of anybody using them.

>>50003364
>I just don't get what the Sons' THING is.

Space gangsters, beyond that Sons are still the best legion for massed drop pod assault with them being the only legion that can give drop pods to certain outside of any RoW so you can have nasty combos like a bunch of turn 1 deep striking assault marines supported by veterans in kharbydis pods also arriving turn 1 plus combined with some reserve bonus it means anything that hasnt arrived yet has a good chance of doing so in turn 2. They go for the throat, thats their thing, mass drop pods and bonuses that let your dudes get nasty after they get out.

>>50003364
Thing is, they're the legion that's the very best at executing and using this basic, universal Space Marine tactic, in addition to being exceptuonal across the board at everything a Legiones Astartes legion is supposed to do. They're really, really adept at pulling off speartip attacks, and are the best at capitalizing on the success of these attacks as much as possible.

>>50003467
My headcanon is the EC are the best at particular things, like being the best swordsman or the best marksman or whatever, while the LW/SOH are just the best at Getting Shit Done. I don't mean they're jacks of all trades, but there's a bloody minded determination to them that they're not going to let any motherfucking legion outperform them in a warzone.

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So I'm not planning on using Kharns display base for gaming, should I put him on the original tiny manlet base or upgrade him to a newer bigger base and model his little resin base to fit?

>>50003514
I'd rather say the SoH plan to go to the place where they can inflict maximum casualties, and are savage enough to deliver, while the EC plans call for the highest kill to death ratio, and obsess about being the best in all kinds of regular war and beyond (so they don't dabble in guerrilla and missinformation, and avoid the meatgrinder).
Let's not forget the EC started their days as an understrenght legion alongside Horus' Wolves.

>>50003364
You got exactly what they are about, they are the poster boys and probably shaped big aspects of how muhreens are used.
Like lorgars guys invented chaplains, ts psykers and perties boys laid ideas out how order companies would operate self ustained.

So where UM are about muh puzzle box optimal organisation, SH are mostly about getting down hatd and fast on the enemy weakness in any way possible?

Shit, this is harder than I thought.

They dont plan outside of battle they do it in battle, highly flexible and indipendent?

>Pls help.

>>50001893
With Space Wolves you even have to have died valiantly in combat to be considered worthy of recruitment. So that's a lot of second deaths with those kids.

>>50003576
>Highest Kill to Death
War on Laer disagrees. I'd say more they focus on glory and maximum honour over their lives along with perfect warfare for the commanders, less so for the footmen, at least in the later stages of the great crusade

>>50003648
They agreed to let a single duel decide the War on the Katara, and the war against the crystal xenos was highly choreographed. Having Fulgrim around, the K/D ratio mattered less.

>>50003364
Yes all legions can do everything, but SoH have more drop pods than any other legion, and a unique drop pod, and have Alpha Legion level of understanding how to win the war, not just the battle. So basically they are the Super Saiyan Steel Reinan

Tell me. In terms of personality and character, what differs between Argel Tal, Garviel Loken, and Nathaniel Garro?

>>50003452
It probably is nothing, and he's just seeing how gullible we are, but if not the discord can be found here, https://discord.gg/wYS2J6b, and please add it to the OP pasta

>>50003798
Argel Tal's a whiny cunt and a Gary Stu, Loken's a mentally deranged PTSD victim, and Garro's just 100% based

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If anyone was wondering how the BoP game plays, there's a little bit of info in the GW blog for saturday (viewable on the NZ site). Thought this was interesting:
>The way that dice work is beautifully simple: the better the weapon or armour, the larger the dice you roll. Basic attack rolls are done with D6, but if you have any special weapons you can upgrade a die to either a D8, D10 or D12 (depending on the weapon). The same applies to armour rolls, so the better you are equipped the more chance you’ve got of rolling higher than your opponent and either injuring them or saving yourself.

>>50003572
I say, glue the base to the modern size, then surround it with a river of blood and skulls with a dead gal vorbak limb somewhere. Or disregard the original base and make it look like the sparring pits, and with a micro pen write 'Erebus was here'

I'm starting to listen to audio books at work but I don't know which ones to listen to first
Is there anything about the origin of the Emperor?

Is it a bad idea to give a seeker squad leader a plasma pistol if the rest of the marines have combi-plasmas? I feel like gunslinger with preffered enemy could lead to some interesting results

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>>50003786
>SoH have a unique drop pod
tfw the SoH's version of the Dreadclaw was never updated, so they have it cheaper and as a DT

>>50003798
The difference is how they react to chaos
>Argel Tal
Well my Primarch told me to do this, so I'll do it
Woah he's like a xenos
I actually like being possessed
And now I shall think about how I am possessed in the most literal sense of the word, whilst those in the classics of Odeon and Achron were false pretenders
>Garviel Loken
OH FUCK WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT
Oh my Primarch told me it's okay, well then it's ok
It was like xenos but not xenos
OH FUCK EVERYONE IS KILLING EVERYONE, PEOPLE ARE TURNING INTO ZOMBIES THERES NOTHING WORTH LIVING FOR ANYMORE
>Nathaniel Garro
My Primarch thought I should die for being loyal, I'll show him how loyal I am by staying true to my true gene sire
Hmm Chaos you say, no matter I shall kill it for stopping me on my quest to be loyal
Hmm Chaos can bring things back from the dead, better kill it again

>mulling about ideas for a vigil opertii force because they sound badass
>realize ogryn get infiltrate and S6 from it
ooh baby. Two fat 20-man grenadier squads and a handful of power maul ogryn stuck in people's faces turn one should be pretty interesting

Shame I have no idea what to do with the actual space marine part of the list.

>>50003972
Use different Marine squads to intervene and support your Ogryn Ambush force, as well as units to grab objectives and hold them.

Vigil Opertii is an UM Rite of War right?
So their unique assault and breacher units as intervention assault and objective anchors respectively?

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>>50003896
>Guilliman and Ferrus Manus help design and create the Damocles Rhino
>Ultramarines can take it as a dedicated transport for MoS
>IH get jackshit

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>>50004020
>Perturabo helped design and create the Typhon
>He gets a Shadowsword DT instead

>>50004020
also, that was the Sicaran tank, and neither the UM or IH get extra Sicaran shit.
Btw, why do the UM get extra powerful Rhinos? Simply because they're better than (You)?

>>50004004
Locutarus might be a good fit. The Auxilia make pretty good objective anchors just by way of their large amounts of wounds and high(er) leadership.

The real question is if I want my basic marines in rhinos/pods, or if I take a bunch of jump troops.

>>50003972
Take recon squads as your basic troops and use them to guide in pods and artillery

>>50004079
What colour are Perty's eyes? Because in the picture he looks like he's got Curze or Corax tier black

>>50004079
A Typhon DT wouldn't really work soooo.....

>>50004281
That picture makes them look like they're implants, cybernetic enhancement rather than natural eyes, they look similar to Scoria's.

Is there a Burning of Prospero scan yet?

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>>50004281
The IW have Riddick-coloured eyes. No night vision or anything.
>>50004293
Warsmith update: Typhon DTs on 2.5k games :DDD

>>50004321
YOU MISSED IT AHAHAHAAAHAA

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>>50004325

>>50004335
link plz?

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>>50004356
>>50004360
Archivebro has not yet compiled the scans into a pdf, perhaps you could beg for that instead of learning how to join the pdf pages yourself?

>>50004375
Oh wait the page dump last thread was the whole thing?

>>50004389
dunno.

Got 55 points floating around in my WS list I'm trying to figure out what to do with

I'm thinking I find 10 points to chave off somewhere and add another Lascannon javelin, but I'm unsure as he'd have to go in a squad with another javelin as all my fast attack slots are full

What do

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Is there anything interesting at all about the Sons of Horus fluffwise?

Reading the lore I can't understand their motivations at all, they just come off as generic bad guys.

Have a whole host of unpainted Sons of Horus stuff I came over cheap, thinking of just selling it and going for a different legion.

Anyone have issues with Battlescribe's new version not importing their rosters? I have a fuckload of lists I really don;t want to have to make again.

>>50004415
Whats the rest of your army?

>>50004417
Horus (perhaps correctly) grew paranoid that the Emperor would do to the legions and primarchs what he did to the Thunder Warriors, as well as that he was an incompetent rules all in all, so he rose in rebellion.

By themselves they're not that interesting but they have interesting characters (Little Horus, Maloghurst, Tybalt Marr)

>>50004417
>Reading the lore I can't understand their motivations at all

They are the vanguard of the crusade, always first and always ahead, they are the best at what they do and thats wreck face but the crusade is over and the Emperor will do away with you and your ways will be obsolete. The warrior-king that is Horus has declared the Emperor a traitor for he has forsaken the basis of the Imperium, you! Will you stand up and do whats right or let the Imperium wither to its ever growing bureaucracy that will destroy your ways as you become a thing of the past and your works turn to dust?

THE WARMASTER CALLS! WILL YOU ANSWER OR WILL YOU DIE?!

>>50004079
Brother calm yourself, we have enough autists in our legion to create our own rules and models

>>50004417
If you do decide to sell, I may be interested in purchasing. What've you got?

As for their fluff, it's a little confused. They were low born gutter fighters who clawed their way to being the baddest legion in the Imperium. They won wars, end of story.
I still don't quite understand why Horus turned (I fucking hate Erebus's fluff and how he's the cause of fucking everything going to shit), but once he did go bad the thin veil of purpose and respectability the Sons had slowly wore down to reveal the same gutter fighting warriors, but but without the restrain caused by a pretense of duty.

They're basically evil Space Wolves, but with a more intelligent and competent primarch.

>>50004462
Here's my list, posted it a few times before but giving it a bit of a rework tonight

HQ (355pts)
Praetor (jetbike, halo, TH, digi lasers)

Librarian (ML2, AA, RF, Combi-plasma)

Elites(495pts)

Veterans (+5 vets, 5 power swords, 2 volkite chargers, power glaive)

Cortus (TL'd culverin, dread drop pod)

Troops

Jetbikes (+2 jetbikes, sergeant, power glaive)

Outriders (+2 outriders, sergeant, power axe)

Outriders (+2 outriders, sergeant, power axe)

Recon squad (Cameoline, recon armour, nuncio vox)

Fast attack (685pts)

Javelin (Lascannons)

Storm eagle (Lascannons)

Seekers (+4 seekers, 8 combi plasmas, AA, plasma pistol, rhino)

Heavy support (190pts)

Vindicator (laser destroyer, AC, Machine spirit, dozer blade, Heavy bolter)

2445/2500

Libby runs with seekers, vets go in storm eagle, recon squad infiltrate and scout to drop dread pod as close to enemy as possible

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>>50004505
>THE WARMASTER CALLS! WILL YOU ANSWER OR WILL YOU DIE?!
Funny that you say that. Deader than Horus.
>>50004578
:'^)

>>50004389
Just the fluff.

>>50004582

It's all unbuilt, 10 Justaerin Terminators, 10 Catulan Reavers, 2 Contemptor Dreads with dual Asscans and a bunch of SoH heads, shoulders and torsos.

I think selling locally might be better though, might help some young SoH fan get started and grow the playerbase.

>>50004636
>might help some young SoH fan get started and grow the playerbase.
You never know that's not an EC that will put those minis in a blender and then snort them like they snorted people at the Siege of Terra

>>50004636
>all unbuilt
My favorite way to buy; that sounds freaking great. Everything you listed there is perfect.
I can certainly understand wanting to sell locally, however. Having people to play against is nice. Doubly so for 30k.

That being said, I can offer trading an unopened Calth box in addition to $$ if you can't find a local buyer.

>>50004599
>>50004599
>Vindicator (laser destroyer, AC, Machine spirit, dozer blade, Heavy bolter)

now I'm wondering...the laser detroyer gets the bonus to shooting if it doesn't move, but machine spirit allows it to move + shoot, MY PERSONAL interpretation is that you wouldn't be able to put the machine spirit to good use since it has to sit still, so I'd either run a laser vindicator with armored ceramite or a demolisher vindicator with machine spirit.

>>50004582
>(I fucking hate Erebus's fluff and how he's the cause of fucking everything going to shit)
I do too, but the old fluff just had him getting possessed by a daemon while recovering on Davin - while being healed in a warrior lodge or something, iirc. Not that much better; it he wasn't going to fall of his own free will, they might as well make the Word Bearers responsible instead of some random corrupted natives. It's a good use of the WB, imo.

It also means Erebus thinks that the Heresy is his... which should lead to interesting conflicts (besides having his face cut off by Horus). There's baseless speculation that he'll be responsible for the Vengeful Spirit lowering its shields at Terra.

>>50004599
A WS dreadnought? Well, I guess he could be Terran.

Why the Praetor on a jetbike, which is more fo a shooty unit?

I'd go ahead and add the second Javelin. Being squadroned isn't that bad, especially because one Javelin's lascannons are rarely enough to do anything impressive. They're fragile enough that they weren't going to last long anyway unless not shot at.

>>50004722
Good for getting into position, though, and you'll get A shot if you move.

>>50004722
True, it was just habit for me to be taking machine spirits on vehicles at this point

I like being able to shoot the bolter and HB at infantry trying to get close to the tank and move, but eh, I guess I'll live without it.

>>50004740
>A WS dreadnought?

Give him a drop pod, faster than bikes!

>tfw you realize pretty much any characters who you would give a damn about are either already dead or survive the Heresy as a fact so there's no suspense

damn

>>50004813
In other words: the inherent problem with prequels.

>Legion parallels
>Space Wolves-Sons of Horus
>Blood Angles-World Eaters
>Imperial Fists-Iron Warriors
>Salamanders-Death Guard
>Raven Guard-Night Lords
>Ultramarines-Word Bearers
How true are these, and which other legions are similar enough to each other

>>50004740
>ws dread

Shit, I got tlking to some other anons about this a few threads ago. They were saying that even though they didn't like it WS did use dreads. Oh well, I'm fluffing him as the terran ex-praetor of the brotherhood anyway

I like the mobility and speed you get with a jetbike, and for chogorian brotherhood your warlord has to be on a jetbike or bike, so I took the jetbike. Anyway, jetbikes are relentless, so I can always shoot and charge if I want.

I'll take the javelin then, I'm not sure whether to drop the chargers on the vets which would give me enough points for a HK missile on each Javelin, or maybe drop the dozer blade on the vindi and swap the jetbike sergeants power glaive for some sort of power weapon, not sure which.

>>50004813
What about the loyalist WE with 'Marked by Dark Fates', and don't you want to know WHY the shields were lowered and WHY Guilliman wasn't at terra but Lorgar was

>>50004832
iron hands?

>>50004813
Hmm, there's still a little bit of room for surprise in the HH series I feel

I mean shit look at what happened to Alpharius

I'm hoping we get another primarch death by the end of the series. I'm hoping they retcon it and kill corax, really turn the RG into full on emos.

>>50004832
>Ultramarines-Word Bearers

Its Ultramarines-Emperor's Children if you're drawing parallels, both are about perfect logistics and enacting the plan flawlessly as well as wanting to master all aspects of war.

>>50004850
>don't you want to know WHY the shields were lowered and WHY Guilliman wasn't at terra but Lorgar was
but all of these questions were answered long before any of the novels came out

>but they're fixing plot-holes caused by their retcons!
oh shit, I'm on the edge of my seat here

>>50004850
>the loyalist WE with 'Marked by Dark Fates
Who? Endryd Harr?

>and don't you want to know WHY the shields were lowered
Horus did it because the Ultras, DA, SW and RG were coming to fuck him in the ass

>WHY Guilliman wasn't at terra but Lorgar was

Because Guilliman was stuck beyond the Ruinstorm and Lorgar knew of ways to bypass it? Like no offense, but try reading the books

>>50004873
No hope of that, Weregeld's prologue and epilogue happen during the scouring and he's still alive

>>50004906
>SW coming to fuck him in the ass

Not if FW have anything to say about it, the wolf cull at yarant looks like it's going to be some huge apocalyptic battle where the SW get fucked over

>>50004879
But so many other legions are perfectionists, whereas UM and WB make their militia allies live another day

>>50004906
Do you reckon we'll get a full series for the scouring? FW have already said they want to do it after they're done with their books.

Who am I kidding, of course BL is going to cash in on it and we'll get a scouring series.

>>50004951
We already know about it, they get left with about 5 chapters or so worth of Marines, but even 5000 pissed off wolf fuckers are something to watch out for
>>50004982
Definitely, they won't turn down free money

>>50004951
It's so epic he loses his wolves, and hates everything more than corax will do. how the hell did the wolves survive this long, we live in a universe of rail guns and lasers, yet still some furry muscle survives

>>50004832
Much better than the one that said Thousand Sons-Space Wolves

>>50004974
>WB make their militia allies live another day
Not particularly. They use them as straight-up cannon fodder.

>>50004990
Shit has it been brought up before? I thought it was something FW made up. The name sounds cool as fuck at least.

And the opportunity to hear about yiffies getting killed is always exciting

>>50005009
>both autistic
>both obsessed with something
>both primarchs are borderline personality cases
>both are literally degenerates
>both hide something from the emperor
>both are smallest legion
>both have the most unstable geneseed

>>50005037
Yeah the aftermath of it happens in Weregeld where the RG help rescue them from Yarant, the cull itself is being written by Wraight

>>50005008
It just goes to show, if you believe in your fursuit hard enough, it gives you magic powers

>>50005053
>being written by wraight

So it's pretty much confirmed to be god tier already?

>>50005037
>End times trailer
>OMINOUS MUSIC
>Horus thought he slaughtered them in the Wolf Cull
>violin snaps
>but NO they would rise to face chaos once more
>as Abbadons forces leaked out the EoT, the Wolves rose from their graves as THE SUPER WULFEN
>£90 for 3 models please

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>"space wolves in 30k aren't going to be as much into wolves as their 40k variant !"
>first special character released has at least 9 wolf related icons on his person
>30k wolves 'just pretend'

>>50005072
Yep, and he's a pretty fast writer

>>50005072
Now anon, you know what happens when we start assuming BL is going to be good.
Look what happened with ADB and Abnett.

>>50005021
Pre heresy I know they were Daesh tier with martyrdom, but surely they wouldn't have been as bad as IW

>>50005110
Count the amount of fetishes on FW characters, and the amount of Sage things on Ahriman

>>50004834
The BL novels don't include any WS dreads; they have a guy who was injured enough that in any other legion he'd be interred, but instead they stuffed him so full of augmetics that he's beyond Iron Hands level. But the books are set after the legion is mostly Chogorian. Earlier on, there'd definitely be dreadnoughts. The Asiatic Hive Clusters of Terra are completely different from Chogoris.

I can see the jetbike praetor working, but I'd definitely drop the jetbike sergeant's power glaive. His squadron should be shooting from far away while flying in circles, just like the Mongolians did. The outriders are the assault guys. And if the Vindicator is a laser destroyer, the dozer blade is probably pointless.

>>50004832
Here's another way to think about it:

>Dark Angels and Thousand Sons - unconventional structure and weapons/powers (yeah, this is the weakest but I'm going in legion order)
>White Scars and Night Lords - fast and surprising (more so in the older NL fluff, heavy on bikes and raptors)
>Imperial Fists and Word Bearers - represent each side's faith
>Space Wolves and World Eaters - barbaric violence
>Blood Angels and Emperor's Children - fast, elegant combat style, self-conscious about their flaws
>Iron Hands and Iron Warriors - vehicle-heavy, similar leaders (Iron Fathers/Warsmiths), uncaring
>Ultramarines and Sons of Horus - strong leadership, well equipped, good all around
>Salamanders and Death Guard - durable, slow, like template weapons
>Raven Guard and Alpha Legion - guerilla warfare, assassination

>>50005008
>>50005056
Those wolves used to be space marines, so they know what they're doing and probably have a black carapace under the fur.

>>50004832
Legions tend to have more than parallel. Just look at Raven Guard. You can draw solid parallels between them and both Night Lords and Alpha Legion.

Night Lords, who are typified as being a weapon of fear, can therefore be likened to the World Eaters.
World Eaters are like more savage Sons of Horus.

And so on.

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>>50005148
>surely they wouldn't have been as bad as IW
Some of the Primarchs' attitudes were simply ahead of their time, I tell you.

>>50005337
? Are you shitposting me, then again if GIANT FLAMERS can stop the LE-Virus then I guess they could be his father and brother gene aspirants that fail, like how Lorgar had Erebus and Kor Phareon

>>50004119
>and neither the UM or IH get extra Sicaran shit
well, IH has Castrmen Orth, and you almost always put him in a Sicaran unless you're running a Fellblade or something. at least IH has the tank commander in 30k instead of UM having it in 40k

>>50005426
I'm guessing he's talking about the fact that there are no wolves on Fenris

>>50005468
Well I hope the Wolves cannot squadron Whirlwind Scorpius (they comissioned it), otherwise I'll visit Laurie and drop scorpions on him while he sleeps.

>>50005468
If I were playing Iron Hands I'd wanna put Orth in a Stormlord. 490 pts and if it stands still you get THIRTY BS5 S6 AP3 shots. that's just fucking bananas man.

>>50005475
There are no Nemean Lions in Caliban. For real, no figurative stuff like what SW tell you.

>>50005037
>>50005053
The Wolves JUST had a book about them being BTFO'd (Wolf King). Do they really need another?

>>50005536
There are no Phoenixes on chemos.

>>50004832
Pretty sure the Thousand Sons were the opposite of the Death Guard, at least pre-Heresy. Even have the Tzeentch vs Nurgle shit going.

>>50005566
There are no lemons on Olympia

>>50005518
While that's pretty good a Fellblade is more well-rounded and still has a pretty good "Fuck Marines Gun" in the 7" S8 AP3 round for the TL main gun (and, y'know, a Demolisher Cannon). Any marine blobs that get caught in the open are at risk of getting straight up deleted. It then still has the two quad lascannons for blowing up tanks with Orth's Tank Hunters rule, and if you make him the warlord he's now buried behind 12 hull points of 14/13/12 with Armoured Ceramite.

Plus it's fluffy. Castrmen Orth commanded the Fellblade Rashemion until it got shot out from under him at Isstvan V, and then jumped between a bunch of other tanks afterwards.

>>50005551
>being BTFO'd
>even though they're outnumbered 10:1 they still managed to escape AND inflict more losses than they earn

Yarant is their Calth, Signus or Dropsite

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>>50005566
There are no Gods in Olympia
>>50005603
This kills the Alacrán

>>50005626
Not really, it was a disaster
>Russ leaves Terra, weakening its defenses, just so he can chase after Horus ineffectually
>Legion gets encircled and mauled by traitors
>Trapped on world and rescued by Raven Guard
>Russ gets put into coma

>>50005650
There are no Gorgons on Medusa.
The only one got his stupid head chopped off.

>>50005683
There are no bats in Nostramo?

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>>50005691
>>50005683
There are no Angels in Baal.
Not anymore...
*weeps*

>>50005682
I was talking about Wolfking, they weren't BTFO

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

HIROSHIMOOT TURN OFF THE ADWARE!

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>50005682
Shouldn't SW are ready be a wreak after Prospero? Am I missing something?

>>50005720
Strangely I get them only on my phone, not on my laptop
>>50005727
>Shouldn't SW are ready be a wreak after Prospero?
I thought they won, anon.

>>50005720
>tfw adblocker so I havent seen a single ad

>>50005733
>I thought they won, anon.
Won is relative in legion battles. TS were there own beast anyway which is why they had the Custodes and SoS with them.

>>50005727
BL is trying to justify why Wolves have so few successors besides unstable gene-seed. They take heavy losses at Prosper, then Alaxxes by the Alpha Legion, then Yarant by AL/WE/Horus/TS

>>50005777
It's not like they only lost three guys, even Custodes die when burned by witchfire. Maybe "understrenght" is the word I'd use, but definitely not "wrecked". That happens in the wolfcull or whatever it's called, when Horus shows them who the true wolves are.
Gibe book 8 already.

>>50005704
There are no toilet seats on Macragge.

>>50005426
>>50005475
Yeah; some Space Wolves turn into wolves as they get older. I mean, they all start becoming a little bit... wulfen, but some go all the way to Wulfen and then beyond to actual wolves. That's why they're so big; you couldn't ride a regular wolf, nor train them to pull a grav-sleigh.

>>50005727
>>50005733
The Space Wolves won Prospero but lost some decent proportion of their strength. They lost more when the Alpha Legion ambushed them shortly after Prospero, at Alaxxes. So they were pretty weak when they returned to Terra to plan that attack on Horus.

>>50005727
You're correct.
>Took significant losses on Prospero.
>Get their fleet all fucked up and lose even more guys when the AL attack them and the WS ditch them.
>Get back to Terra with the help of the fucking Lutheran Dark Angels of all people.
>Only stay long enough to get their ships relatively battleworthy again.
>While waiting on that, Russ' plan to send out pathfinders gets half of Malcabro's Knights Errant killed.
>Leave Terra and get led around like a dog chasing food and ultimately gang-fucked to an absolute shadow
>Russ gets fucking wrecked
>Only saved thanks to Corax and the RG

and that's how the SW Legion perished

>>50005821
>>While waiting on that, Russ' plan to send out pathfinders gets half of Malcabro's Knights Errant killed.
Come again?

>>50005811
>hat happens in the wolfcull or whatever it's called, when Horus shows them who the true wolves are.
Honestly never heard of this before? When on Earth did they have time to fight?

>>50005805
That would be the the fact they never followed the codex and then the battle of the fang where Magnus stopped them being able to create successors.

Interested to learn about the last bit if its not from BL.

>>50005849
Vengeful Spirit. He sends out the Knight Errants on a mission to infiltrate Horus' flagship and both mark it and sabotage some shit, but they get caught and everybody except Loken, Severian, Tyrfingr, Rubio and the IH dies

>>50005867
It's new fluff, maybe that's why

>>50005821
Don't forget
>passed by Malcador's excellent suggestion of destroying Cthonia to piss Horus off

>>50005867
Did the Rubik sharded magnus? Yes, I'm writing Ahriman's Rubric like the rubik cube, sue me.

>>50005889
Shit, does that mean the nemean reaver is already dead? He was cool as fuck :(

>>50005922
No, Magnus split himself by accident by trying to understand the Warp; basically he went to the court of the Changer of Ways and cound't handle the banter.

Although before that, he was already weakened in the HH era (as seen by his psychic echoes that keep popping up all over the place), so I guess it's possible the Rubric may have had some effect on him, but I doubt it. I honestly doubt Ahriman would even have tried to include his Primarch in the spell.

>>50005960
Nemean Reaver is FW only

>>50005918
Why would you pass up on that? Even if it wouldn't of helped the war effort it would of been a real "fuck you" to the traitors

probably would of slowed recruitment to the SoH as well

>>50005967
>as seen by his psychic echoes that keep popping up all over the place)
Wait, I thought that was just Magnus keeping tabs on his brothers as he's only nominally with Horus

>>50005977
It isn't really explained, he just tells Malc he isn't his butcher (which didn't stop him holocausting Prospero)

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>>50005967
>basically he went to the court of the Changer of Ways and cound't handle the banter.
I can only imagine it.

>>50005922
>Did the Rubik sharded magnus?
No. Sharded Magnus has never been in the fluff apart from BL. And if you want to see how little that relates to the real lore just go read the new BoP scans.

>>50005566
There are no chainaxes on KA's Inductii

>>50006031
He has like two.

Which is nowhere near enough.

>>50005970
So he's not dead? How many KEs were there for that matter? A few hundred?