EDH/Commander general

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>>49984092
Xth for actual commander related discussion instead of bitching about things you don't like.

First for Partner is actually mostly nice.

>>49984110
We need a list of viable Partner combos with a good reason as to why GO.

>Tymna + Sidar
>Couple Blacks getting by in life with Weenies and Hatebears

>>49984092
Blue will of fortune.
better than harnless offering

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Never saw any talk about this Big Guy.

>>49984144
>Vial Smasher + Ikra
Jund value machine aggro.
>Silas + Vial Smasher
Grixis artifact goodstuff.dek

>>49984144
Partners are shit

BLACK IS THE BEST COLOR IN MAGIC. THIS IS NOT OPEN FOR DEBATE. DO NOT REPLY TO THIS.

>>49984156
It's not good. Indestructible is strictly worse than hexproof, many wraths get around indestructible, trample is nice, but it's also costed hilariously. Simply put, a Vexing Shusher or Xanthid Swarm would be much more useful.

>>49984144
Ikra + Tymna for obvious reasons.

>>49984165
>can't deal with artifacts or enchantments
>best color

>>49984156
Usable in Xenagod but even then it has competition at 8cmc.

>>49984148
It's a harnless reprint.

>>49984165
BAN ALL 3CMC OR LESS TUTORS
EDH SHOULDN'T BE MORE CONSISTENT THAN LEGACY

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>>49984156
Too vulbernable to exile effects. I think he needs something like this...

>>49984191
Black has the best answer to artifacts and enchantments. It's called winning the game.

>>49984144
REYHAN AND RAVOS
REANIMATION +1/+1 COUNTER HEAVEN

>>49984156
it's pretty bad, overcosted, the indestructible does basically nothing in most decks and there are better trample enablers

>>49984268
If it had given hexproof as well it might have been okay but I run enough hexproof enablers and things like Autumns Veil and Seedtime anyway because I love Battlecruiser magic, I'll find room for it

>>49984267
WBG Modular?

>>49984518
yeeeeeeeeeee

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>>49984624

>>49984165
Black can't even deal with artifacts or enchantments.

>>49984144
Flankman and silas renn
Myr tribal

has it explicitly been said what lands won't be reprinted?

Some anon said Atraxa is bretty gud with enchantments. What did they mean?

>>49984165
I have to disagree there friend. Green is the strongest color and I'm not just saying that because all my commander decks use green

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>>49984268
>>49984315
>>49984518
not reyhan and thrasios for all that delicious UG counter stuff

>master biomancer
>zegana
>fathom mage
>le fish of many counters

>>49986723
I assume there are a bunch of enchantments that use counters?
Helix Pinnacle, Paralax _____, anything with vanishing, Doubling Season, etc...

>>49984144
Ravos and Reyhan Modular Counters on Abzan colors
Sidar Kondo and Tymna Unblockable weenies for reliable draw on Abzan Colors
Sidar Kondo and Ikra for Ass focused strategies in Abzan colors.
Ishai and Bruse Tarl for Commander Damage kills on Jeskai colors
Vial Smasher and Kraum for draws and burn on Grixis
Ravos and Silas for graveyard synergies on Esper Colors
Others leaves us with too many colors or just don't synergise very well without help.

>>49984899

See: >>49984219

>>49984204
>mystic tutor
>enlightened tutor
>idyllic tutor
>merchant scroll
>gamble

fucking gamble

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So how do you build this?

Is she pretty much just esper artifact goodstuff + Daretti and Goblin Welder and co?

I do know I wanna run the Spy Kit + Magnetic Theft + Eradicate combo for keks but other than that, isn't it just Sharuum plus red?

>>49988093
As some anons have said it is a potent surprise infect win command and she can go infinite with eldrazi displacer and ashnods altar.

>cascade cascade cascade

its stupid how much better it is than the rest

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I am loving how fucking stupid this card is.

Not great but it can lead to some crazy shit.

>>49984156
Beastly in Animar

>>49984156
>people saying 7G for 8/8 is overcosted

no wonder /tg/ sucks at mtg

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>>49990235
:^)

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So who's ready to dark ritual into ancestral recall

>>49984144
As a competitive player, Tymna + Ravos seems really good. Death and Taxes with plenty of carddraw from Tymna, and if for some reason you want to cast Ravos you can. Ravos is there because there is literally no reason to not have him as a commander as well.
I built a test version and it ran really consistently, and almost beat my Daretti deck.
Also I am pleased that they are ACTUALLY REPRINTING LANDS not that it matters to me, other than the first day during which I will play the deck straight out of the box, but having them finally throw a bone out is nice

>>49988093
I dont think she will be better than Daretti competitively, as she is harder to cast and does less on entry with difficulty breaking the game right off the bat. That said, she has potential and looks the strongest out of all 4c commanders so far, as she does leave something behind on dying, as well as having 1.5 relevant abilities.

>>49988093
>>49990235
>>49991172

All 4 Color Generals are cool, except Buttbuddies.

The partner Commanders are a fun idea, but mostly too boring to be built around.

>>49991172
>>49988650
Dies to Breya immediately

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Can somebody please explain to me what card advantage is, and if having two commanders is card advantage?

>>49991287
And?
if I was worried about commanders not dying I would play sigarda original flavor

>>49991169
Oh god I guess I found my new commander deck.

>>49991314

Having two Commanders ins't card advantage, but it IS deck thinning!

I am waiting for the Breya Stax deck.

>>49991314
MELD Commanders WHEN?

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>>49991314
Don't listen to the memers from last thread.

Card advantage is just the number of cards in your hand + cards on board.

Card quality is, you guessed it, the quality of those cards.

Having two commanders is both card advantage (effectively +1 card in hand at all time) as well as a slight boost to card quality overall (as you draw slightly better). However, you also take a major hit to a much more noticable area w/r/t card quality in that you're playing a shit commander.

It's card advantage, but you give up so much card quality that it's not worth it unless you're doing some dumb recursive stuff that I can't even imagine.

>>49991314
>>49991314
Card advantage is literally just that: having more cards, or access to more cards than the other guy.

Ponder? Not CA.
Treasure cruise? Yes CA.
Windfall? Not CA.
Wheel of Fortune? Yes CA.
Utilitizing your graveyard like a second hand ? Yes CA.
Making other people discard a bunch of shit? Yes CA.
Having two commanders in the command zone while everyone else has one? Yes CA.

>>49991377
Please no.

>>49988093
Is this the legend version of Master Transmuter? If so when will she gain a spark?

>>49991392
Please YES!

Also, MELD contraptions!
MELD dual lands!
MELD split cards!
MELD EVERYTHING

>>49991363
I'd work on it if I didn't have Daretti.

>>49991337
Add in double strike for more fun

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>>49991377
....I'm already here sempai

>>49991480
Yeah but like, playable.

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CBC is on-point.

>>49991487
>A legendary creature with a recursion ability that allows them to revive their meld partner each time they die...
>Supports two of its color's most powerful tribes
>Is a perfect 2 turn clock with any buff equipment, in a color that can grab them
>Its meld partner is a pretty solid beater as well
> Shuts down most simple removal spells like Path, Pongify, Sword, Mortify, and other shit
> Is a goddam qt angel sister pair that will love you long time.

I'm sorry you have such bad taste...

>>49991570
>Is a goddam qt angel sister pair that will love you long time.

That's where you're blatantly wrong.

>>49988093
I'll be trying to build her as artifact aristocrats. Panharmonicon fills in the voids that green leaves.

>>49991570
Counterpoint:
>A legendary creature that can recur stuff from your GY for value or hit its meld target that makes it insane, but that's pretty much all she does
>monowhite can only artifact ramp or equivalence ramp(think knight of the white orchid)
>becomes half a card if the meld partner is exiled by any means
>is meh for its cost if you can't hit any value
>qt angels turn into a horrifying fucking monster that would sooner devour your bones than love you

>>49991377
Pls yes

>>49991538
For people who supposedly listen and pay a lot of attention to the fanbase, they seriously completely miss the point. Constantly. Like, all the time, it's actually impressive.

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>>49991233
FUCK YOU

>>49991405
No if anything we need flip commanders

>>49991670
Where else have they missed so far?

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What's the best commander for a "I'm going to steal all of your cards you payed a lot of money for and use them myself" deck?

Pic Related?

>>49991463
Ohhhhhhh I got a deck in mind.

The deck is mean, somewhat green (red, white, and black of course), and will hit like a fucking truck.

>>49991619

>A legendary creature that can recur stuff from your GY for value or hit its meld target that makes it insane, but that's pretty much all she does
That is kinda all you WANT from your pre mend body... A way to quickly stitch herself back together. She is also a massive beater when melded or grabs that Avacyn you threw in the graveyard for the fun of it.

>becomes half a card if the meld partner is exiled by any means
Welcome to every meld card. At least white has a few cards that actually pull cards back from exile...

>is meh for its cost if you can't hit any value
She comes with inbuilt evasion

>monowhite can only artifact ramp or equivalence ramp(think knight of the white orchid)
This I'll give you, it kind of sucks, but thats what mana rocks are for afterall.

>qt angels turn into a horrifying fucking monster that would sooner devour your bones than love you

But Anon, they just want to purify you and your dick...

>>49991733

Gonti, Lazav,or Sen Triplets

Sen Triplets is actually really cool once you go all ham on the "steal yo shit"strategy.

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Gay Greeks for Best 4C Commanders

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>>49991377
>>49991392
>>49991405
>>49991641

>>49991480
>>49991767

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How do you feel about Partners, /tg/? Any combinations you are looking at building?

>>49991733
I like the Mimeoplasm, since you have access to blue (a lot of steal yo shiz effects), black (rise from the grave and worst fears type stuff), and green for, basically, villainous wealth. I don't know if it's the best commander, but the colors are, IMO, a bit better than red.

>>49991863
>Reyhan
>Not at LEAST T-2

Anon, come on now

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>>49984092
N-not bad at all?

>>49991863
Flankman and Mustache might be fun for Naya Tokens I dunno

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When my opponent begins to whip out his GR deck I immediately think to myself "_________"

>>49991863
Ludevic and Silas zombies and artifact creatures.

Kraum in the 98.

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>>49991733

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>>49991863
I will make a deck of the truest of partners

pic related

>>49991888
LET'S GET DOWN TO BUSINESS

>what to play old cards
>their card art looks fucking retarded
suffering...

>>49991881
I was seriously debating moving him to sheriff tier, but I feel as though he is best used to support another gameplan. I definitely feel is the best deputy though.

>>49991930
Not all of it. Some of the old art is the best art in the game

>>49991733
Dragonlord Silumgar is a lot of fun.

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>>49991733

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>>49988093

>>49991948
like what?

>>49991670
Sure they listen. We have non gender binary, gay, transgendered, and lesbian creatures now!

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>>49991948
Yeah, look at this garbage

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>>49991733
Probably a U/B commander with Lazav or Silumgar as commander with stuff like thada

>>49991955
fuck that nigger

>>49984144
Silas and Sidar
Flying hatebears

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>>49991948
How old?

>>49991863
What the fuck was even the point of Ishai

>>49992028
Meant to respond to >>49991930

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>>49991978

>>49991979
I see the gay but the others?

Are the lesbians Chandra and Nissa?

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>>49991978
Like my main nigga Drew Tucker

>>49984163
Very constructive comment, you're a valuable member of this community.

>>49991424
3 more colors makes the Breya deck pretty versatile. It can even run Daretti and tutor for it.

>>49991863
Title font isn't cowboys, it's a 60's diner. You should have Playbill for free, silly man.

I'd also bump Sidar down one.

MORE SPOILERS WHEN

>>49992065
DREW TUCKER BASIC LANDS WHEN

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>>49991978

>>49992041
I have no idea. I mean, you could partner her with reyhan if for some reason you didnt want to run atraxa or with kraum for an jeskai control deck. I dont know.

>>49992086
My dick couldn't handle the raw impressionism that would be more Drew Tucker lands. Plateau is the only one he ever did

>>49991885
I love that the Flankman and Mustache handle caught on. It'd be worth it to play them just for the buddy cop title

>>49991837
if only it triggered at the end of every turn
>>49992067
There's only so much space in a deck for running tutors, as you want to be running actual cards as well. She's not bad, but I don't think she's better than Daretti.
4c also means it's harder to run Workshop

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>>49992064
Oviya Pashiri is gay, anon.

Time to build nohomo.dec

>>49992107
You mean make a full homo deck.

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>>49991930
I will fight you

>>49990235
>Not a warrior
FUCK
Look, I know everybody else has complained but please tell me there are at least 2 warriors in the WBRG colors I can pair up. Please, I'll even settle for 1 warrior and synergy in those colors.

>>49984191
Thoughtseize, Duress, just winning. BTFO

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>>49991948
>tfw Ertai the Corrupted deck with every card illustrated by Mark "The Dean" Tedin

>>49992124
No, see, you make homo.dec, then whenever anyone asks if you made homo.dec you say 'no homo'.

>>49992125
Future Sight wasn't that old.

>>49991172
How the hell do you even begin to build this guy? Hell even the mana base, 4 colors just seems like a mess.

>>49992064
Oiya is lesbo, there were also a couple of lesbians in the Innistrad story line that I think never got cards, Alesha has a penis but wants to be called her, Narset has literal autism.

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>>49992071
Fixed the font, thanks. Personally I feel Sidar is super strong, plus he enables almost all of the other combat clause partners.

>>49992147
Tedin and Kev Walker.

>tfw can't find a high-quality picture of Kev Walker's Ertai art

>>49992187
Idk man I feel like fishman could be fine alone.

>>49992187
Yeah, he's a good enabler, I don't think he'd adequately head a deck on his own. Getting your weenies through isn't going to win games, especially because WG doesn't have a lot of the best "combat damage to a player" creatures.

>>49991924
how many lands would you put in this deck, 40? I know its a newfag meme but wouldn't their ability warrant that high of a number?

I just realized Guay basic lands means you can now build a full Guay commander deck.

>>49992065
My nigga

>>49992185
>Things you learn reading MTG lore

Yeah, just yeah. I stick to the little story books you get in the fat packs.

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>>49992167
A decade is a long time, man. I can't even remember what I was super into when I was 17. Also RKF was a part of Magic for a very long time, and he was one of their absolute best artists. Sad he left.

It also fucking BAFFLES me that the card with this version of the art sells for like 20 cents, and the Commander 2013 version is 5 dollars. The C13 version looks like total shit.

>>49992232
I have no fucking clue. I would just throw together shit for shits and giggles.

>>49992253
I honestly stopped reading with Innistrad, probably won't ever read a piece of lore on MTG ever again. Battle for Zendikar left me absurdly salty and Innistrad just kept getting dumber and dumber.

Fuck MTG lore.

>>49992320

We didn't even get a Epilogue story for Innistrad because WEWUZGHOSTBUSTERS Planeswalker was more important.

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>>49992187
>Flankman and Mustache top tier
As it should be

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I'd like to build this, I just wish there was another partner that would further this game plan. Kydele works with him but I'd like more creatures to play with in other colours.

>>49992347
Please you know they are setting shit up to make a stupid movie "universe" just so they can get non MTG players to go watch.

Just wait, I can see it now.

First come the movies with limited edition cards, then come the TV miniseries, then come the fucking sequels.

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>no one posting best artist

>>49992371
Kydele let's you draw 25% more cards in your deck though.

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>>49992393
>No Phil Foglio Tarmogoyf for poor players

>>49992423
>Phil Foglio Tarmogoyf
Excuse me what

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gahijis-unstoppable-dragon-army/

I've created something that's either genius or completely jank. I've been winning quite often with it, but it seems to be either because of bad openings for my opponents or because my local meta is pretty casual. I don't doubt the deck's power, but it still feels weird to play.

>14 hours until decklists
Who's gonna have a best 99?

I need a deck that complements Daretti stax, I had a few lists around but I never finished building the decks.

>>49992423
?

>>49992441
Breya might end up having the most value, followed up by Atraxa.
In regards to playability, no one can guess which list sucks the least.

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>>49992414
True but there are Training Grounds-friendly creatures outside UG I'd like to play with.

>>49992187

this is all wrong, sidar kondo is shit, completely useless, same with ikra shidiqi, reyhan is 100x better than either

trasios is also better than any in the "sheriff" tier

>>49992438
I like it, but do keep in mind I have never played a non precon deck.

>>49992435
>>49992444
When CN2 was being spoilered, there was a discussion about sneaking in good but overpriced cards like Tarmogoyf and Snapcaster Mage into an Un-set by giving them new (shittier) art and silver borders so that collectors won't throw a hissy fit

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>>49991733
Marchesa 1.0 can steal a lot of thing with threaten effects + her revive ability.

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How's this: Aura Thief comes in with Enchanted Evening and Aura Shards in play, Shards triggers and destroys it

>>49992444
Fuck it, I'm building dragons
>>49992488
oh alright, and yes Phil Foglio Tarmogoyf would be (( """" shittier """" )) art

>>49992441
I have a feeling that Breya will actually be pretty efficient despite her being eh. Saskia or Yidris, while the more unique and cool of the set, will probably focus too much on big stompy shit that may be overcosted. I only hope that I'm wrong about the latter.

>>49992488
Cards can't be printed in silver border AND black border.

>>49992503

pretty spicy

>>49992503
Old hat

>>49992517
Newfag

>>49992513
how about some sort of black-and-white border?

>>49992528

regular fag

Terese Nielsen is overrated

>>49991955
>does my high tide resolve?

>>49992441
Whichever one has Temporal Manipulation in it.

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Reminder that Foglio had to write a comic about Stronghold without knowing a thing about the story, did a complete asspull of a story and turned out to be wildly accurate

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>>49991930
Nigger lots of the old art was good.

>>49992556
Her and Guay are two of MTG artists I can stand the least.

>>49992556
The word "overrated" is overrated. You always get fags saying it when someone is highly rated.

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>>49992262
Yeah it looks like shit, literally.

>>49992620
I do think she's good, but I'm not in the DA BESS MAGIC ARTIST camp that permeates the game. That's what I mean.

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>>49992623
It's a shame because Mark Zug has done tons of great art.

>>49992262
People love new borders.

>>49992556
Nielsen is about appropriately rated. She has a strong and deserved following but nor is she a meme.

>>49992613
Here come the fedoras.

So if I cast both spells on a card with fuse do they both get cascade?

>>49992648
>DA BESS MAGIC ARTIST
You're just triggered. She's an excellent artist and that's what people call her.

The best artist right now is Nils Hamm

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Excuses, excuses. Just say you fucked up already.

>>49992671
No, split cards are actually treated as two individual spells. You would choose which goes first and gets cascade.

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>>49992681
You are a man of spectacular taste.

>>49992681
I love old Magic art but Nils Hamm is definitely one of my niggas. This guy knows what's up.

>>49991924
I really want to make soldier tribal with these guys at the helm. Could it ever hope to be a good 75% deck? Obviously it would never be "competitive."

>>49992694
I thought they'd both get it specifically because they are seperate spells each being cast from your hand.

>>49992692
Generally MaRo does admit mistakes, but only a few months after making them in a retrospective. It's bad for the WOTC brand if he admits to making a mistake on a product that hasn't been released yet.

I expect him to admit it was an oversight in a couple of months and take more responsibility for it than he rightly deserves.

>>49984092
>reprinting Windfall immediately after Leovold comes out

hoooo fuck yourself

>>49984144
Here's what I plan to run
>Sidar Kondo + Ikra Shidiqi 「BABY GOT BACK」
Big butts. 2/Xs that are difficult to block and give me shitloads of life in a delicious Abzan package. The name needs work though, since partner commanders should almost certainly be named like 「KILLER QUEEN BITES THE DUST」, ala two songs.

>Tana + Reyhan in DONG DONG NEVER DIE
Jund stompy token aggro with a theme of refusing to stay dead

Tana + Sidar in an as-yet unnamed weenie token deck

>Ishai + Kraum in PULP FICTION (aka SAY WHAT AGAIN)
Purely so that your opponents never get to cast spells again, except they do because these Partners are kind of a stretch.

>>49992692
He just admitted it.

>>49991670
They listen but everything is designed too much in advance for them not to get enough info.

>>49984176
>>49984193
>>49984215
>>49984268
IMPLYING MY OPPONENTS WONT SHIT THEMSELVES WHEN I PLAY THIS IN RURIC WITH DICTATE OF THE TWIN GODS OUT AND A HASTE ENABLER

>>49992093
>>49992041
Just a pseudo politcal card for the group hug deck.

>>49992777
no, he said 'we just gave you what you asked for as soon as we could'

>>49991863
I like your optimistic view on things, cowboy.

>>49992782
You're not meming right. Do it like this.
"Mark jewishwater wants more money goyim. Yes, give money for making more blue cards. "

>>49991863
Bruse and Thrasios to play some fucking Voltron. Basically think Rafiq with red.

Also considering Tymna and Ravos helming B/W aggro, it could be kinda neat.

>>49992028
fuck me that's awesome

>>49992748
If you're talking about the new legend that gives cascade to everything after it deals combat damage, then both halves of a split will have cascade. I thought you were talking about Maelstrom Nexus, which only grants the first spell.

I think I'm missing something on the Boonweaver/Pattern combo, because I'm not seeing how it nets you an extra trigger every time you do it. It's cool, don't get me wrong, but I don't really get how it works

>>49992791
Oh, oh yeah that could fuck people up, team that up with >>49990235 you have potential to murder people.

>>49992863
Yeah that's what I was asking, sorry I should have been more specific.

>>49992028
What is it with rk post and extra-limbed creatures with spikes for hands?

>>49992652
>hey, what if we put nipple tassles on the walls?

>>49992028
I never took a good look at this card and always thought it was some kind of mounted rider.

>>49992588

Reminder that foglio has drawn porn

It isn't even that bad

>>49993029
That's Black for you!

>>49993052
>foglio has drawn porn
A man needs a link.

>>49993052
Wasn't that Kaja and Phil was writing it?

As I recall it was pretty good, not very fapworthy but surprisingly good story board.

>>49991863
Mustache and the smirk work pretty well together as an artifact reanimator deck in the Breya colors

A very nice day of Ebay Sniping...

Korean Archangel of Thune, Chinese Brimaz and Japanese Phyrexian Arena(Coalition vs Phyrexia) for $18.

Fucking beautiful

>>49984267
Does anyone have a list for this yet?

I think it'd be neat, even if it wouldn't be as good as Karador.

>>49993063

https://exhentai.org/g/571808/276fd63f7e/

>>49993076
I dunno man. I fapped to it.

>>49992185
Hal and Alena of kessig. Two trappers who are a couple and Survivie emrakuls rise. A lot of people wanted them to get a card.

>>49993141
INNISTRAD 3.0

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>turn 6 Hidetsugu trigger
>turn 7 Reverberate a Blasphemous Act onto my Stuffy Doll

This guy is too much fun

>>49988093
I'm planning on running her with Sydri and Aetherflux Reservoir. Nothing like a nuke you can reload and fire again and again.

>>49992588
This comic helps remind me how when people say how much better old MTG story was, they might have rose tinted glasses.

http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/152405974413/so-could-we-get-a-do-over-for-ludevic-in-another#notes

Now shut up, you fucks!

>>49991863
Ludevic should be in a special tier of his own way below everyone else.

Mermaid guy draws your deck with inf mana.

Other than that seems about right.

>just LOOK HOW GAY/TRANS/LESBAIN THEY ARE

it isn't actually progressive if you are so fucking patronizing about it, WOTC, you aren't even trying to make this a natural sort of thing,.

they have reduced such things to sheer novelty, its more disgusting than simply ignoring them.

>>49993316
The thing I love the most about Gay Kings is all the sulking and triggering they're causing.

>>49993316
Wait, what's "patronizing" about them? Do you know what that means?

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>>49993341
Yes we heard you the first seventy times you've posted that.

>>49993361
I posted it the once last night and it remains true, the sulkers are the bigger faggots than the faggots celebrating them.

>>49993357
that they are novelty and nothing more, its patronizing to Gay people, here's your Gay card.

its something Gay people have had a problem with for a long time, media about them devolves into what they are more than who they are, these people are "gay" and thats really it, they were Gay leaders.

it summates them to a single state of their sexual orientation, rather than a real person.

>>49984156
>4 U

>>49993434
To be fair, a lot of the time a repressed sexuality can become a big part of your personality if you have to fight society's disapproving or even hostile views.

>>49992423
>>49992435
>>49992444
If you have to ask, you can't afford it.

>>49993455
it is lazy writing. I 100% support more LGBTQ representation in magic and all areas of fiction, but reducing characters to a single trait like sexuality is almost always a mistake.
Compare this to Alesha. Her identity was an issue, it was core to her character, but it was not all she was about. It became something that added nuance to her character, rather than detracting from it.

>>49993434
First of all, learn English and capitalize where appropriate. Second of all, if X% of people are gay, then you can expect up to X% of characters being gay without it seeming weird unless you're one of those reverse-SJW "how does this offend me" types (which you seem to be). Third of all there's nothing patronizing with the way they're portrayed. The way you word it, any portrayal of gay characters is "patronizing", which doesn't mean what you seem to think.

>>49993505
>reducing characters to a single trait like sexuality
Who are you talking about? Certainly not Kynaios and Tiro.

>>49993505
The gay kings are based on one of the few actual cases of genuine love as opposed to pederasty in Greece.

Someone linked it earlier. They were also known primarily for their diplomacy.

>>49993505
What didn't you like from their Uncharted Realms story, anon?

>>49991863
What do you people even see in Ravos. I mean he's fine, but one of the best? No way. Tymna is almost definitely better than him imo.

I also think Ludevic is pretty drastically underrated. But I guess I'd get the same response I just gave you. I understand being disappointed about the flavor but letting other people draw cards off your own thing is not that bad as Edric or even Kami of the Crescent Moon which is not the worst thing ever. And Ludevic doesn't even guarantee a draw like kami does.

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>Kev Walker has been drawing Magic art for 20 years now

>>49993603
Yeah because he's the shit

>>49991233
>doesn't like bros being bros
what are you, gay?

>>49993455
oh please, Gay peoples plight in America is so non-existant the PC crowd is thinking about kicking them off the Progressive Stack and putting them next to White Male's.

you have to go to Africa or Sand Country to get opressed as a Gay person now.

and no other Gays or PC crowd people give a fuck about African/Sand Gays getting killed every day and do absolutely zero work over seas about it.

>>49991863
"Well he's a strong upgrade to Jade Mage" isn't that ringing an endorsement, but having played with Thrasios I can attest that having a strong mana sink in the command zone is pretty good. That Scry 1 before revealing the top is powerful also.
I'd go so far as saying that if your group is bad or slow enough you could run him over any ramp or card draw.

>>49992371
Run mana doublers for even more help and |Amulet of Vigor.

>>49993566
Edric can trigger more than once per turn, which is huge. It means that your deck, which is probably just evasive creatures, draws a fuckload. Meanwhile your opponents have the option of attacking you or getting cards. Any sane person takes the cards and tries to kill Edric before their opponents can benefit further.

Ludevic says "hit me all you want, I'll still love you if you hit someone else."

>>49993625
>and no other Gays or PC crowd people give a fuck about African/Sand Gays getting killed every day and do absolutely zero work over seas about it.

My bi room mate actually does that, though. He organizes seminars educating people on oppression in Africa and other shitty places.

Question:
Does Reyhan, Last of the Abzan trigger on her death (not in commander). As in, does it work like modular and when she dies you can distribute counters as you want among your creatures?
I'm assuming yes. Asking because of cube reasons.

>>49993566
Ravos isn't flashy, but having both recursion and an anthem on an evasive body is pretty powerful. I dont think he is as good as Sidar or Kydele, but he is strong.

I don't think that Ludevic is awful, its just that he doesn't have any synergy with with the other partners and is generally outclassed by his greatest creation. when you can pick between only you drawing extra cards and having the whole table draw extra cards, is there even a choice?

>>49993678
Yes.

>>49993625
maybe they are and they just know not to be attention-whoring faggots about it on facebook

>>49993678
I think you have to let her go to the graveyard for her to do it.

>>49993649
>Amulet of Vigor.
what? you mean worse stone seeder Stone-Seeder Hierophant.

>>49993653
oh, my bad, I'll reword.

"NEXT to no other Gays"

because its true, the last thing the PC/SJW(whatever your pet term is) will ever do is actual hard work, that involves real danger.

they are all, almost universally outside of your "friend" who is doing the exact thing to be an example to prove me wrong, are upper-middle class whiney hipsters.

>>49993653
>>49993625
Gays have it so rough in non-western countries, it isn't even funny. Sure, there's some middle of nowhere towns in the US where a gay bashing might happen, but shit's not even close to the stuff elsewhere.

>>49993695
If I were talking about commander, she does have a clause that says "graveyard or command zone"

>>49993686
Except that with Ludevic an opponent might just attack someone else and might provoke a counterattack next time while you cack maniacally in your head so nobody can hear it.

>>49993625
He said disapproving and hostile, which is still true for the US, especially for the red states.

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If I'm reading this right, would you double the amount of counters?

>>49993691
they are not, as you can clearly see by the death toll in Africa and how people are still being thrown off buildings in Saudi Arabia.

if they were doing anything in any real numbers and this is all they have to show for it.....

>>49993698
all gays =\= PC/SJW crowd anon

>>49993706
Ah, right.

>>49993698
>"Okay, let me reword. Doing something isn't doing enough!"

Okay, buddy. Just move the goalpost.

>>49993714
... yes. Are we just being deliberately stupid today? Or are you just confused because the fish actually says the word double on it?

>>49993697
AoV is an amazing supplement for people running the cheaper EtBT lands

>>49993714
Yes, it doubles each type of counter, same as Vorel.

>>49993714
yes, although you have to double EACH counter, unlike with proliferate you can choose which counters you want to double

>>49993714
Yep. It's an allstar in Kraj.

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>group decides to use one another's decks
>everyone passes to the right
>I end up with GB Glissa
>it's garbage, maybe 5 sac artifacts in the whole deck
>not even a single Spellbomb
>meanwhile I ended up passing Ghave
>3 absurd combos sitting right in front of his face most of the game
>never notices
I want to take his deck, tear it apart and make it 10 times better. Why is my group so bad?

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This guy, this guy right here is serious. I know people consider him a bit of a one trick pony, but if you don't have answers in your hand, losses are swift and humiliating.

Which is the better partner for Tymna? Kydele or Ikra?

>>49993784
>before tuck rule change
>someone plays Terminus on curve
>Uril player scoops

>>49993784
Well, yes.

>>49993784
I used to get so salty about him. Now he is completely off the radar. Especially with Sigarda out.

>>49993707
The potential for political discord doesn't outweigh the downside of giving all of your opponents double draws. Maybe if Ludevic could make a creature attack this turn if able or something like that you could play him along that axis, but the current card is actively a detriment to your longterm survival. there's a reason its in the group hug deck.

>>49993793
Yup, the tuck rule would completely fuck him. I'm kind of glad for the rule change, there's literally no way to out-value you as an Uril player.

>>49993795
>>49993797
This is how I felt, until I witnessed the pure unadulterated power he possesses. I hit a t2 rampant growth, into explosive vegitation, dropped it t4 with haste, swung for 12/12 unblockable lifelink doublestrike trample t5. It was just cruel, the poor daxos player didn't understand what happened.

>>49993790
Ravos, as I wrote before:
Tymna + Ravos seems really good. Death and Taxes with plenty of carddraw from Tymna, and if for some reason you want to cast Ravos you can. Ravos is there because there is literally no reason to not have him as a commander as well, as well as granting some way to grind out matchups where removal is plentiful

>>49993840
Uril also got a buff with the legend rule change. I had Phantasmal Image in so many of my decks for this reason.

>>49984092
>Be exited for C16 BWRG and UBRW
>See boundtits and phyrexian angel
>Muh flip creatures sideways shit again
>Meh
>See Partner
>Eagerly await the Orzhov cards
>Weak ass nigra and a fuckboi making a shit impression of Sheoldred
>MEH
>Await lands and good new spells
>9 fucking lands that look chosen at random, all good new cards are mono blue

For fuck's sake, the only shit worth buying this year are fucking basic lands and Hanna. What the fuck is wrong with R&D?

>>49993862
Tymna is not shit,
>>49993856
but yes it does seem underwhelming. We'll see when the decklists are out what the decks are worth.

>>49993840
Well, he knows now. Playing blue against Uril (and Sigarda and Narset) you dig for counterspells and hold on to them, counter sources of trample, and try to block him all day.

>>49993861
How do you deal with him? I mean, the obvious answer is a non-targeting wrath, or languish or something, but how the heck are you going to get that into your hand fast enough? Do you just blow a tutor on some removal and pray you don't need to use it on something sooner?

>>49993341
Dude, wait till it turns out their ability promotes getting gangbanged by the table and whiners start trying to make it about homophobia and how WotC designed them to draw hate on purpose.

>>49993879
Tymna is shit, because she relies on how many opponents you have, all the best commanders are just as good against 1 person as they are against 3

>>49993968
Functionally they're not terrible, you're in the colours to much better take advantage of their ability, and what you do give them is less likely to come your way with an 8 toughness blocker.

And your scenario is, of course, moronic.

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>>49993979
>playing 1v1 EDH
Get more friends anon. She's perfectly good at your typical 4 person kitchen table, especially since WBhas been focusing more on flying weenies lately.

>>49984092
>red has a good card? Better give it to blue also!

It's apparently been like this since at least Urza block.

>>49991930
Looking at art on cards is often secondary to me when I am buying cards. Plus I know I will eventually end up liking them if I see them enough and have time to slowly embrace it. Like for instance I hated land tax's art the first time I played it, but now I just look at him like a pimp from new jersey trying to get his cut on playing lands. It went from something stupid that I hated to something stupid that I like.

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>>49992513
There's no reason why they couldn't other than because Wizards doesn't want to. Nothing stopped them from printing non tournament legal gold bordered versions of black bordered cards before.

>>49994020
I think he's getting at the fact that if you want to win, it will probably come down to 1 v 1 eventually. A commander that gets worse as the game progresses isn't a good thing.

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>>49994099
Gold bordered means nothing. Those cards have a different back, anon.

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Has anyone had success with Spawnwrithe?

I can't decide if it's good or not.

>>49994107
Very, very few of my decks finish their plate with the commander, they finish their plate with their board state. In the case of Tymna that would be Bitterblossom, Cathars' Crusade, etc. etc.

>>49994132
It's a strictly worse Giant Adephage for less mana. While not awesome, it seems rather underwhelming.

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>>49994132
I experimented with it in my old Rubinia Populate deck and it got cut. Dead card in the late game.

They just had their deam commander printed, though.

>>49994020
Oh I'm not saying I only play 1v1 EDH, my friend group just doesn't always play with everyone there with a set number of people. So games can range from 1v1 to 6 or 7 people playing. So in my meta you have to be ready to fight an arbitrary number of people, including just one

>>49984176
I wish people on this board would use the term 'strictly better/worse' correctly.

>>49994120
The point is Wizards has printed non-tournament legal printings of black bordered cards before.

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>Bruse Tarl isn't a giant from Lorwyn

Wait,

what.

What the fuck. How have I missed that this whole time.

>>49994200
It was used correctly. Indestructible is strictly worse hexproof on the basis that it only prevents removal through damage allocation or destroy effects. Hexproof, on the other hand, allows your creature to avoid anything that would target it, which is a wide variety of effects. Really, the only time indestructible is even close to comparable is if you're using it to survive a wrath that would otherwise destroy a hexproof creature, but that's a very narrow situation.

>>49994217
And they stopped. Because no one cared about them.

>>49984176
>Indestructible is strictly worse than hexproof
Strictly worse/better has a specific meaning in Magic. Indestructible is not strictly worse or better than hexproof.

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>>49994148
>strictly worse
>less mana

>>49994189
>6 or 7
That sounds awful. I hope you guys break up into 3-4 player pods.

Any more than four had always been awful for me. Even 5 people gets to the point where you don't know what's going on with at least one persons board state way across the table.

>>49988093
None of her abilities excite me. The other 4 color artifact commander seems more interesting.

>>49994254
It's true? Assuming you're casting it any time other than extremely early, giant adephage is much better because it creates a token on the attack, instead of when damage is dealt.

>>49994239
Strictly worse has a strict definition, and that is "under all circumstances". A 5/4 double strike is strictly better than a 5/4 first strike. Spawnwrithe is not strictly worse than Giant Adephage.

>>49994255
6 or 7 happens very rarely. Most of the time it's 3, 4, or 1 on 1. If we ever do split it up we turn it into mini 1 on 1 tournaments where the winners fight the winners and the losers fight

>>49994132
I could see using it with Newzuri maybe, but it seems pretty slow

>>49994148
>strictly worse

>>49994148
>strictly worse
>less mana
So it's literally not strictly worse.

>>49994239
Are you just fuckling with us? If not, you have no idea what "strictly worse" means.

>>49994284
Fuck off, troll.

>>49994308
>>49994296
>>49994295
>>49994287
>>49994254
>>49994243
>>49994200
You realize that acting like this is only going to encourage more people, right?

>>49994284
That's not what strictly worse means. Less mana can be a positive thing 'in some situations' so strictly worse doesn't apply here.

Strictly worse means a 7/7 vanilla creature is strictly worse than a 7/7 trample. Or a 4 mana blue sorcery that draws you 3 cards is strictly better than a 4 mans blue sorcery that draws you two cards.

>>49994239
No, it wasn't used correctly.

>>49994325
Yeah, God forbid we correct people's misunderstandings of the game. We should assume they're all cynical assholes fucking around.

Brilliant.

>>49994325
>arguing about "card advantage" was sooo yesterday!

>>49994325
Card advantage?

>>49994364
Virtual card advantage?

>>49994356
The strictness of "strictly worse/better" has been established so many times now that Occam's Razor might actually point to trolling.

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>>49994359
>>49994356
>>49994364
Oh look, trendy fags latching on to trendy things, who will be gone in two months. Have fun vacationing in /edh/.

>>49994376
I'm sure we can spare the dozen posts correcting fuckwits every thread. There's not exactly a short supply of posts here.

>>49994389
Joke's on you: I'm just here for spoiler season.:^)

>>49994254
>>49994148

giant adephage costs more mana and has higher power/toughness. having a higher power density per card and a higher mana density per point of power - that is not only virtual card advantage, but raw card advantage as well.

>>49994376
Apart from spoiler season, when was the last time it was discussed?

>>49994389
>trendy
Yeah EDH is really making the rounds in popular culture these days.

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Are there any green spells that make X amount of tokens like a green Secure the Wastes or White Sun's Zenith?

>>49994410
It's the fastest growing constructed format, and the only thing stopping standard players from creating frontier. It even had the manufacturers desperately try to pander to fans with awful legendary creatures, and niche 4c decks that will never be revisited. Seems pretty trendy to me.

>>49994356
Do you still think it isn't trolling after >>49994406 ?

>>49994432
>Seems pretty trendy to me.
Good thing your perception has no bearing on the status of cultural trends. More players does not a trend make, you shitpost hypochondriac faggot.

>>49994458
And just because you act like you're on your containment board, doesn't mean you belong here, captain ad hominem no retort. Like I said, you'll be long gone in 2 months time, just fuck off today and spare us the trouble.

>>49993735
man I bet youre the most fun person to play with

>>49994439
Who cares if it is? What does it cost to correct them? Nothing.

>>49994439
That was obviously a troll post, but I'm pretty sure it was just someone 'avin a giggle and not the same guy.

Dropped one hundred dollardoos on some shocks and utility lands. I'll either get up in morning with more great stuff to look forward to or have beaten the rush. Let's have faith for the former, /edh/

>>49994468
Sure thing, Anon. You are right about these spoilers being lackluster though.

>>49994431
Gelatinous Genesis makes X X/X tokens for XXG.

>>49994488
Nice! A little expensive in casing cost, but good find.

>>49994431
Hydra Broodmaster
Sylvan Offering

>>49994532
>>49994532
>>49994532
>>49994532
You know the drill.

>>49994542
B--but Kentaro is worse than all the partner commanders.

>>49994431
Hooded Hydra comes in as a big body that shits out a ton of snakes when it dies. Snake Basket is an artifact that just gives you the green tokens.

>>49994524
>>49994580
Thank you for the ideas!

>>49992179
Filters.

Every fetch.

8 Searchable duals from any fetchland.

Easy.

>>49992393
Nah, I prefer Kaja Foglio myself

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>>49992393
>>49995263

thats a funny way to spell Harold "One Man Holocaust" McNeill

>>49987017
Then you could just do atraxa.
The point was to do reyhan and just splash white for extra reanimation.

>>49994406
>virtual card advantage, but raw card advantage as well
>virtual card advantage

DIDNT WE HAVE ENOUGH OF THIS YESTERDAY?

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>>49984156
>>49993438
How about this big guy?

>>49993937
Edicts and counterspells, mostly. Uril decks rarely run more creatures than just him and maybe the enchantresses. Fogs are good and enchantment D, like Fracturing Gust.

>>49994161
sidar + bower passage are pretty good

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=278255