EDH/Commander General

1st for card draw

>>49979876
I believe it's often described as "Draw, Go" style of play where you do almost nothing but counter your opponents everything and then maybe play the game later on.

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Has anyone tried out Gutter Grime? Is it decent Wrath protection?

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Is mayonnaise a card advantage?

>>49979898
It just seems really slow. A 5-mana enchantment should probably be doing more for you than popping out X/X's every once in a while.

>>49979898

its okay, at least makes them use enchantment removal before wrath, worth trying out but ive had more success with fresh meat

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1st for punchable smirk

>>49979915
If you put a lot of mayo on the table and people are afraid to place their cards on it, but you aren't then yes I guess it is.

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>>49979936

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Is this a real spoiler?

>thromak vs xenagos
>super scared of my roomie's thromak deck
>famous for quickly snowballing out of control
>my xenagos deck is newer but was constructed from a deck that my friends were already afraid of
>he starts building up respectable token base
>i get down elvish piper and start dropping my timmy shit
>end up keeping him under control with a 200/200 Hamletback with Lightning Greaves
>he's salty as fuck and i feel bad

sorry for tl;dr. feel guilty, and I just wanted to have fun with him.

I want to get him something super cool for his thromak deck because me and him like giving each other cards. he has all the budget typical stuff, so any secret tech i can give him?

>>49979958
I dunno, don't look at me.

>>49979927
If the purpose is wrath protection it seems fine though.

>>49979932
Fresh Meat is super good. Nothing wrong with both though.

>>49979958
Yup!

https://youtu.be/Mwr3HimyrJU

>>49979965
I can't even consider playing cards like Elvish Piper because a high priority 1/1 will never ever survive a turn.

I have a deck it would fit into perfectly but it just didn't work.

>>49979979
I am in love with this card

>>49979965
Anything that produces tokens or gives trample is good for Thromok.

Loxodon Warhammer?

Yavimaya Hallow for when somebody inevitably spot removes his Thromok.

I think Pytotitan is pretty cool.

It's hard to say without already knowing what he has or your budget.

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Got myself Burgeoning and New Emrakul, which cards should I cut to get those 2 in?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/wild-gruudstuff/

>>49979987

ive had nutty plays with elvish piper like lightning greaves it up and have seedborn muse going to cheat a shitload of things into play but i ended up cutting it too because i like to minimize the number of cards that "need help to be good" if that makes sense

>>49980023
>Pytotitan
Phytotitan.

Keeps coming back after being devoured.

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>tfw the only remotely interesting cards are Guay basic lands

>rebuilding outdated deck
>I'll wait until c16 comes out to see if there will be anything cool!
>never should have waited.

>>49980044
I like the manarock.

>>49980070
Meh. I'd rather play gilded lotus.

>>49980044
Oh come on. I really like the idea of ludevic + kraum at the head of an izzet legendary hall of fame deck

>>49979965
What was he even salty about? That he wasn't winning?

>>49980081
whynotboth.jpg

>>49980099
>>49980081
Also I have multiple 5 color decks, and the rock can tap for any combination of mana, unlike the gilded lotus.

I run 10 shocks/fetches in the 5 color decks too so domain should be guaranteed before I get 5 mana.

Definitely worth running.

>>49980044
I actually like the gay greeks. Their not all that powerful but it's always good to get more group hug.

>>49980099
Two 5cmc mana rocks seems a little much.

>>49980027

maybe undergrowth champion

how many games have you played with this deck? seems like your card draw and land count are pretty low for what youre going for

>>49980081

It's better than Gilded Lotus in any deck that runs 4 or more colors. The fact that it can tap for it's own CMC in 5color decks as early as turn 3 is ridiculous.

And before anyone asks, assuming you play it on turn 2 and each land you play is an ABU Dual then you'll have all basic land types on 3 lands.

>>49980097
i whipped him in tiny leaders because i run a mono red burn deck. he was kinda mad i was just repeatedly stompin him.

>>49980119
You're absolutely right. It is awesome in magical christmas land.

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anybody know what it says?

>>49980118
20-ish. The land-count is fine with all the ramp available, plus the meta here is pretty casual, so slow games.

4: Scry 1, then reveal the top. If it's a land, put onto the battlefield tapped. Otherwise, draw a card.

>>49980143

>>49980131
>tiny leaders
I'd be mad from having to play that too.

>>49980143
>>49980153
That's actually not bad, is it?

Why not use the 4 colour commanders to make a deck out of legends you like but can't use together because of colour identity problems.

An example would be Artaxa,just run her with every Legendary Creature that cares about +1/+1 counters...Oh and a bunch of spells that do that as well.

>>49980153
ugh these guys just keep getting more and more boring
only one more to go, I suppose

>tfw Lorwyn will never get a new card in a commander product

>>49980161
Paying 4 to set a land or draw a card isn't bad or even that great. It's certainly not exciting.

>>49980161
No that's actually really fucking good, definitely adding it as one of my 99 in my Rashmi deck.

I play so much top manipulation already so I'll always know when a land is on top.

>>49980165
Boring? I've liked almost each one so far. What do you expect? I love their cheap and usually reliable effects.

>>49980141

The point is is that it doesn't need magical christmas land to be good. Its 5 mana in a 5 color deck or 4 in a 4 color. That's better than Gilded Lotus already.

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>>49980161
>U/G

Of course it wasn't going to be bad. Two cost too, huh? Neato.

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>>49980172
Hi there.

>>49980183
I honestly think the card draw cleric and mini Kruphix are hands down the best.

Cannot cannot wait for Ikra Shidiqi, my snake goddess. Confirmed black green and counter related, j wonder what she'll do? If she's playable by her own, this whole thing will have been a success for me

>>49980172

People actually liked Lorwyn, so don't expect to go back to it anytime soon.

>>49980191
It coming into play tapped is a major demerit.

So no, it's not better, but still really good.

>>49980044
>Black red partner
>selesnya partner, that kind of unblockable is NOT a common effect in those colors
>crazy blue token copy thing
>selfless squire
>breya
>akiri is a pretty scary voltron thing in terms of raw stats and you can get access to a lot of colors.

There's a few cool toys.

It's definitely a lil uninspired. Partners in particular, I think it's safe to say, were played a lil too generic and safe. But there's some decent gems here and there. Still missing the last golgari partner.

>>49980198
>it's on a Janky group hug card
Might as well not exist.

There is also flame kin village. But that is only played in elemental decks.

>>49980219
Akiri and Ravos were tailor made for me, and selfless squire is my new favorite card. It's like Zarya from Overwatch, sucking up all that damage

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>>49980211

>Never again will we see an awesome Celtic-myth inspired storyline, cards, setting, without humans
>Now everything is Jacetice League adventures
>The uncomfortable realization that the Jacetice League actually started with Lorwyn

Every clan got a new legend except the Temur. They're by far my least favorite and I'm still upset.

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Hello.

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>>49980211
>People actually liked Lorwyn
They really didn't. They liked the powerful cards, sure. But the bitching about the setting and art was fucking incessant, because it wasn't generic cool guy stuff and stuff intentionally looked kinda doofy and whimsical.

>>49980232
>ravos
Yeah, it's not very different or special, but I like what it does quite a bit. I'm making an orzhov deck with Ravos and the blind gal for a fun little tokens/sac build. I like that there's an option for that now outside of teysa that doesn't paint itself into the combo corner.

>>49980254
Nice

>>49980254
Thats actually pretty good on getting your opponents things killed

>>49980239
I hate Jace so goddamn much. That character looks like an edgy 15-year old designed himself as magic card.

>>49980254
Wayne Reynolds illustrating from beyond the grave!

>>49980211
bear in mind that they'd have to put the gatewatch on it for some reason which,
>>49980239
sort of isn't possible seeing as how the first time they were "there" they actually weren't because the first planeswalkers were supposed to be printed in time spiral, but wizards didn't think they were ready (they weren't, they were actually played sideways back then.) so they were pushed back into lorwyn.

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>>49980257

>But the bitching about the setting and art was fucking incessant, because it wasn't generic cool guy stuff and stuff intentionally looked kinda doofy and whimsical.

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the best mythology, best races, best no-need-for-humans, Rebecca Guay galore (especially Bitterblossom).

>>49980293
You can pretend it didn't happen all you like, but it's actually one of the things I remember most about Llorwyn: how fucking upset the fucking manchildren were that a setting had the gall to not be generically "cool" or "grand" looking.

>>49980147

i dont really see all that much ramp, but anyway my point is that you have all this extra land drop stuff and not that many lands

35 lands is what i normally run but ive had to take out extra land drop stuff because 35 was not enough to take advantage of all the extra land drops

if it works for you thats good though

Reading a couple of the latest posts in blogatog it seems I was right when I shitposted about them making this year's product shit so we would stop asking for 4color and other "problematic" design spaces.

>>49980257

what i recall people disliking about lorwyn was faeries being OP and manabases being too shitty for awesome 5-color elemental decks

>>49980337
You remember very wrong. The manabases at the time were the most degenerate in magic's history, next to battle for zendikar with fetches. Jund decks would consider splashing blue for cryptic command. Control decks would curve cloudthresher into cancel/firespout and then cruel utlimatum. It was not a good time for magic.

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>>49980257
>hating lorwyn
This makes me so sad as a newer player(started in Theros), because I started the game in a meta that was super into tribal. I came to love the flavor and the whimsy and shit, it's really what I associate heavily with magic. Knowledge of phyrexians and eldrazi and bolas came later, after the fairy tales and fun.

>>49980400

>jund decks would consider splashing blue for cryptic command

jeez i dont remember that at all

maybe i just couldnt afford the good lands at the time? what were people using?

>>49980443
Reflecting pool + vivid lands

>>49980459

maybe it wasnt the lands then i just remember i wanted elementals to be good but it wasnt

i definitely remember faeries being OP

>>49980254
>non-legends continue to be the most interesting new cards
at least it isn't blue

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>>49980070
Enjoy your supbar Lotus that requires hoops to jump through.

>>49980094
Sure buddy. I'll just attack you and play a single spell a turn. Niv-Mizzet says hello.

>>49980111
Agnus Mckenzie tells you in a Scottish accent to lube up son.

>>49980219
I don't understand the Rakdos hype. The Time Spiral legend does it so much better. I'll give you the GW guy being unique, but it's still really meh. And sure the fish is decent, but the epitome of win-more.

>>49980325
As it should be. Five colour good stuff is boring as it is, let alone pretending leaving out a single colour would suddenly lead to interesting gameplay. It's not. It won't.

I just love it when the general MTG public keeps whining for something that's just terrible, and how they complain harder when their concept gets thrown in the shithouse.

>>49980254
This...

Actually looks pretty fun. Definitely has a place in my Rakdos Control.

>>49980535
Why do people do this? Respond to 5 people and then just write moronic one-liners. Whenever I look through the responses to actual posts this cluttered crap comes up all the time. Can I somehow auto hide posts that respond to several posts?

>>49980535
>jump through hoops

Oh shit, my 10 fetches and 10 shocks sure make domain a lot of hoops to jump through. It's as if my goal every game wasn't already to make sure I had every color available as fast as possible.

>>49980143
A bobbity boopie

>>49980254
I want to play this guy, but knowing my playgroup they'll just attack me until he's dead or I'm dead

>>49980578
>Why do people do this?
Same reason he posted the first post. To harvest easy (you)s. Attention whores are nothing new.

Will somebody please critique my humble Rakdos, Lord of Riots deck?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/rakdos-the-genius-powerhouse/?cat=custom&sort=

>>49980658
I'm gonna try it out in Queen Marchesa pillowfort shit, I like the idea of forcing people to fight each other because it's a pain in the ass to attack me, even if it blows up in my face a lot.

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>>49980658
Mardu control

>>49980257
Lorwyn and Shadowmoor blocks were fucking amazing. Wouldn't have my og general Doran without them.

Blame it on this stupid idea that R&D has about players wanting to have relatable characters so they HAVE to include dark skinned, gay, transgender humans in every fucking set now.

There's no we'll ever go back to Lorwyn without it getting infested with shitty political idealogies. I say just leave it as it is. Please WOTC, don't revisit Lorwyn because you'll just muck it up with shit.

how likely is that they reprint doubling season in the non-red deck?

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Won two games tonight, which is unusual for me. Zada deck went well with Siege Gang Commander on third to last turn and Goblin Rally on second to last turn, both with Purphoros down. Coat of arms on the final turn sealed the deal.

Niv-Mizzet was my other winner, though that game Mind's Dilation did all the heavy lifting. I actually didn't hit a single land with it. What won me the game was a Fumigate from one player that wiped the board and the threat of a Grimoire of the Dead that I stole from the other player. Made the Gisa & Geralf player scoop and I was able to Psychosis Crawler/Niv-Mizzet draw the other player to almost to death because I had a ton of clue tokens from Trail of Evidence. I could have finished him with combat damage, but for fun, I comboed out with Curiosity instead.

>>49980793
Low.

>>49980143
>infinite mana wincon
Neat, now we just wait to see how the mythic BG Partner is and see if we can build strictly better Tasigur

>>49980842
>playing lots of whacky stuff
>sounds like he had a great time
>for fun, goes for lame instant win combo
Talk about taking the joy out of a hard earned win.

Everything you did up to that point in the game didn't really matter when you could have just Niv Mizzet + Curiosity for a win.

>>49980860
>strictly better

Yeah because infinite fucking recursion AND draw is strictly worse than infinite draw and rampant growths.
Only one of the above guarantee a win, and it's not the tapped lands coming into play when you already have infinite mana.

>>49980879
>Everything you did up to that point in the game didn't really matter when you could have just Niv Mizzet + Curiosity for a win.

Which is exactly why I didn't play it until I would have won anyways. I put it in there because "that's what goes in there," right? But every time I can play it, I think, "Well, that wouldn't be fun at all." I've already ear-marked it to remove from the deck.

>>49980879
This is why I have trouble building Niv. He's one of my favorite legends and I love drawing cards, but comboing out with him always feels lame, and everyone assumes (with good reason) that you will.

And I still haven't found something to do with Dracogenius that I like.

>>49980894
There's no worse feeling than playing out a close and long match then suddenly one player going "well actually I had an instant win in hand all along but it wouldn't be fun to end the game until I felt like it"

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>>49980906
Here, my noncombo Niv Mizzet.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/niv-mizzet-the-firemind-16/

>>49980161
Wins with Infnite colorless mana.

I'm fine with it.

TIME

TO

BREW

>>49980400
>Jund decks would consider splashing blue for cryptic command.
Hahahahahaha. That's fucking funny.

>>49980893
Tasigur requires infinite colored mana and loses to BSZ.

If you add shitty RB goblin it gives you access to red and cuts a card from your deck, meaning you can play competitive Grixis storm with green added in and an infinite-mana wincon in the command zone.

I would call that pretty close to strictly better.

>>49980941
>loses to BSZ

How did you go past tasigurs literally INFINITE counterspells?

Because he just countered your BSZ, then activated tasigur to get that counter back and do it again, and again, and again, and again.

>>49980909
Mmm, yeah, I can see it that way. Though my other friend was playing Daxos, so he could have had a counter in hand any time before that. Still, moot point now. I don't care for instant wins, I've found, so I'll be slotting in something else, instead. Probably something from the new Commander sets, though I do have that Torrential Gearhulk sitting around.

The one thing I DO want to do one day with my Niv-Mizzet deck is have Deadeye Navigator + Peregrine Drake for infinite mana, then Blue Sun Zenith and enough copy spells to make everyone deck out.

>>49980951
>>49980941
But I agree that the colorless only is a big advantage.

Few things beat tasigur at infinite colored mana tohugh.

>>49980951
>your opponent gave you your counterspells
Well yeah when they just concede right away it is pretty easy to win with I guess.

>>49980960
>Activate tasigur 10000 times
>oh shit, theres ONE nonland card left in my graveyard, which card will you give me?
>It's the counterspell? Why thanks!
>counter something
>activate tasigur again
>OH, look! Same counterspell! Only target!

Do you even know how tasigur works?

>UG partners are far and away the best, even complementing each other nicely
Every. Single. Time.

>>49980969

they do synergize nicely dont they?

>>49980969
You mean blue and literally anything, right? Well except maybe black funnily enough.

>>49980983
Blue red ones are trash though.

>>49980968
Did you forget that period of 9560~ activations where you have zero cards in your library and have only gotten half your library (lands and useless cards) back?

That is where I would hope to resolve a BSZ that kills you.

>>49980983
UR sucks though.

>>49980991
Good job, I activate Tasigurs ability 9560 times in response to your BSZ, what now?

>>49980999
>>49980991
And tasigur doesn't even fucking return lands to your hand, you have no idea what you are talking about.

>>49980999
I already used Trickbind after the first one thankfully.

>>49980983
>U/R sucks
>U/W sucks
Are you right in your head? Or did that pile of feces you call your brain accidentally plop out of your mouth?

>>49981008
>>49980999
>>49980991
>>49980968

im so confused

ive never seen somebody try to beat infinite colored mana + tasigur

is it possible?

>>49980991
>>49980989
Sorry, I thought you were talking about color pairs for a second.

The Partner cards as a whole are pretty underwhelming though. In an effort to make them "fair", they just made them all boring.

>>49981009
Pass turn, win on next players upkeep.

I also have my entire deck in my hand and infinite mana, so don't get any cute ideas about killing me before that happens.

>>49981016
What are Rest in Peace and Leyline?

>>49980741
>>49980734
Yeah, I think I'll try that. Or I'll build a Kazuul deck.

>>49981037
Spells that get countered/removed before the tasigur player tries to combo off?

They do delay him though.

>>49981050
Yeah good luck policing three actual decks like Hermit Druid Scion with counterspells.

>>49981064
Well, the hermit druid ain't playing Rest in Peace thats for sure.

>>49981064
"Actual" decks? You are aware that Tasigur is considered T1 alongside 5 color combo decks, right? Hermit Druid dominating everything was like one or two years ago.

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What are some fun cards involving counters that arnt +1 or infect?

>>49981089
If by tier 1 you mean tier 3 sure.

>>49981064

so are you implying here that top tier decks/metas dont run counterspells?

>>49981009
Funny, but Trickbind actually doesn't beat infinite mana Tasigur.

You can cast tasigur, then activate him as many times as you want while still retaining priority.

Then you trickbind one activation out of three billion, letting all the others resolve.

>>49981103
You're fucking clueless, stop pretending.

>>49981091
Proliferate is the only thing that hits energy counters. Other cards that care about counters care about specific types of counters; usually charge, +1/+1 or -1/-1.

>>49981091
Charge counters are your best bet.

>>49981109
I was still referring to the BSZ.

>>49981109
That's not how split second works. Trickbind the first activation and he's done for the turn unless you make him leave and come back.

Though one spell isn't really going to stop him.

>>49981145
Then Trickbind doesn't help because neither of you can do anything until it resolves. Then he just activates Tasigur 1000 times. What do you do?

>>49980254
of course its not legendary

>>49981145
No, that's not how priority works.

>I play tasigur
>retain priority
>activate tasigur
>retain priority
>activate tasigur
>repeat ad infinitum
>pass priority
>opponent gets his first chance to cast a spell
>cast trickbind on one activation
>split second means nobody can respond, it resolves
>counters ONE activation
>tasigur can't be activated again until end of turn
>99999999 activations still left on stack

>>49981145
>>49981109
>>49981154
>Tasigur activates ability 10000 times while holding priority
>Trickbind targeting any of them
>let it resolve
>allow Tasigur abilities to go off until he is in BSZ range
>BSZ him
>win
And I'm supposed to be the bad one.
>

>>49981154
Now you're deeeefinitely going to chain through your entire library.

>>49981172
Yes, but Tasigur doesn't draw. So it means absolutely fucking nothing. You can activate him as many times as you want with an empty library at no cost.

>>49981171
You are fucking retarded. How many times do you need it explained to you?

>>49981171
And what, he does it again another 1000 times and you never give him a counterspell?

>>49981171
In response I flash in Teferi, then follow it up with a Laboratory Maniac. Thanks for winning me the game.

>>49981181
Please explain how Tasigur who cannot activate abilities can respond at this point to the BSZ.

>>49981191
Are you aware of the text of Trickbind?

>>49981199
With the 40 cards he just put into his hand?

He has infinite mana. You just let him draw cards until his library went down to around 5-6 cards.
How the fuck do you think you will ever get to resolve a spell?

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>>49981121
I know this,just posted an example of a different kind of counter. Looking for weird one ofs like poc related.

>>49981191
>>49981149

whoever you are you need to look at trickbind again

>>49981181
>>49981171

in this scenario tasigur player is getting a bunch of cards in hand, you could choose to never give him counterspells maybe until he was in BSZ range? not sure about the math on that

>>49981208
>draw cards

>>49981222
Ok fine, 40 cards that got put into his graveyard then returned to your hand.

>>49980143
4: Scry 1, then Coiling Oracle. Pretty nice actually

>>49981091
Obvious charge counters (artifacts)
Obvious loyalty counters (planeswalkers)
Less obvious fading counters (it's an entire keyword,albeit dated)
Less obvious spore counters (saprolings/thallids)
Less obvious quest counters (enchantments from zendikar)
Kinda obscure divinity counters (myojin from kamigawa)
Obscure verse counters (a small number of enchantments)

>>49981220
The problem is Tasigur usually WINS by making themself overdraw with an empty library and Laboratory Maniac in play.

Drawing them a card is basically letting them skip a step and just flash in the lab maniac.

>>49981220
>Split second (As long as this spell is on the stack, players can't cast spells or activate abilities that aren't mana abilities.)
Counter target activated or triggered ability. If a permanent's ability is countered this way, activated abilities of that permanent can't be activated this turn. (Mana abilities can't be targeted.)
Ohhhhhhhhhhh.

>>49981235
Because everyone on the planet only play with sorceries in their decks and Tasigur is the only commander who can win the game.

>>49981243
Yeah, and your whole scenario also assumes that the tasigur player is retarded enough to try to combo off without a single backup counterspell against a player sitting with 5UUUU mana up.

>>49981250
No actually I have infinite mana too.

>>49981258
You've moved the goalposts so many times that you're at the bottom of the atlantic by now.

>>49981258
You'd better have an uncounterable draw spell, and get lucky enough never to give him any flash or Lab Maniac.

>>49981278
Who says I don't have Teferi out already?

>>49981278
>>49981300
God EDH general has sucked recently

>>49981307
Just ignore him, we have humored him enough.

It's just shitters from the other generals that are spilling over here due to the spoilers.

>>49981317
I literally browse /edh/ daily.

>>49981321
then stick to browsing and stop fucking posting.

>>49981331
I post while playing 100%OJ but you're still retarded if you think Tasigur is tier 1.

>>49981336
Says the guy who couldn't figure out how it worked until he had given the wrong "counter" half a dozen times and still talks about hermit druid as if it's the best thing ever.

>>49981351
I only ever proposed Trickbind.

I fucking love Atraxa, it feels like she could lead so many different kinds of decks.

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>>49981231
Thanks!

>>49981365
>superfriends
>a bad infect deck
>a bad voltron deck

>>49981365
Four.

Infect
+1/+1 counters.
"Charge.dec"
Superfriends

90% are going to be superfriends.

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>>49981365
>voltron
>infect
>+/- counter shenanigans
>superfriends
>all the counters

The art itself makes her worth it

>>49981369
>>49981371
She also fucks with level-up creatures and energy.

>>49981382
>those retardedly huge feet

>>49981387
Yeah but not enough for that.

>>49981382
And the creature types.

>>49981387
Those are really bad themes with few cards, same with charge counters.

>>49981369

i dont think infect is very good with atraxa, and she has good keywords but shes missing the most important voltron keyword which is hexproof

on the other hand i think a simple +1/+1 counters creature deck would work great, just as the designers intended. just a value creature deck filled with stuff that benefits from proliferate like cathar's crusade and verdurous gearhulk and nissa voice of zendikar

something that work less great but would be cool would be to pull from this stuff

>>49981366
>>49981231

>>49981399
That's why I said bad on both infect and voltron.

>>49981394
Yes but there's nothing stopping you from slipping a few good energy cards or cards that run off experience counters into a mostly superfriends deck.

>>49981406
Like all one of them?

>>49981405

right but you made it seem like those are the best things atraxa can do, guy says atraxa can do lots of cool stuff and you respond with two strats that dont suit her like a negative nancy

would it look douchey to have all foil lands in my commander deck?

>>49981421
She's a 4C do nothing beater with no protection.

>>49981399
>i dont think infect is very good with atraxa

Why not? She looks less threatening than a skittles, has access to land d and every infect creature. Just pop a few infect early, land d, and proliferate to game.
Plus for a vorthos she is perfected.

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FUCK this card is so damn good

i love that it makes people wish they could tutor for enchantment removal.

i love that if you ramp into it you can BTFO 5-color decks

>>49981437

i guess thats cool

my thought was that infect just wants to get one-hit kills so proliferate does nothing, slowly building up poison counters seems like it defeats the purpose of infect

i guess if youre doing it for phyrexian flavor thats cool

>>49981457
proliferate doesn't have to be slow. Suddenly the Viral Drake drops and proliferating starts happening fast.

>>49981427
only if they curl like crazy

>>49981468
I know everyplace said you cant uncurl foils but, anyone have any luck?

>>49981427

my friend has all foil lands in his decks and hes a douche

not because of the lands tho

>>49981457
Problem I have with my other infect edh is the last two or three poison after two players die and a boards wiped. I like her allot for the group infect fun.

>>49981437
>>49981457
>>49981509
Saskia is the better infect commander.

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I just found out what my foil Darkness is worth and now I'm debating wether to put it in my Gonti deck for theme.

>>49981358
And Teferi. And infinite mana. And BSZ.

>>49981549
I'm not sure any of those are counterspells but enlighten me.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/omnath-slightly-annoyed/

Is this good? Should i change anything?

>>49981399
Darksteel Reactor in every single Atraxa deck!

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Whenever ~ enters the battlefield or attack, you may attach any number of target equipments to it.

Loooool. Stealing everyone's equipment every combat phase..

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>>49981628
brb, burning all my voltron decks.

>>49981646
>Not putting it in them

>>49981628

>at least one of the precons is gonna be stuffed with shitty equipment reprints and no Stoneforge/Stonehewer

>>49980254
Wayne "Spiky spikes everywhere" Reynolds!

>>49981666
It's gotta be the one with that Kor legend that gets +1/+0 for artifacts.

>>49981683

Well then it's clearly the not green artifact deck

I guess that makes sense, since equipment are artifacts, though for some reason my first thought was that they'd go in the not blue beatdown deck

>>49980254
>yet another interesting creature that could be a nice commander if only it were legendary

>>49981672
I actually like his style. It's different from the usual cgi crap you see on 90% of cards.

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>>49981628
Glad I'm already running murderous spoils.

>>49981529
Does it look cool?

>>49981727
>"Hey playgroup, can I use this non-legendary creature as my commander ?"
>"Yes, Anon, no problem"

>>49980254
Fucking good in Kazuul.
>>49981672
I'll gladly take more Reynolds over any illustration spoiled so far.

>>49981830
Kinda.

>>49981784
You can run both of them... Just destroy your own to get all equipment permanently.

>>49981882
Kinda cool isn't enough for a 20€ card. Sell it.

>>49981727
>>49980254
Fumiko the Lowblood.

Anyway, good addition to my Basandra deck that eventually turned into Queen Marchesa with "hit me" tribal.

I'm brewing a Kydele + Tymna infinite mana deck and nobody can stop me!

>>49980285
Wayne England was the one that died. And thank god, he was awful. I mean, Reynolds isn't the best, but I bet he knows what side of the sword the fucking basket goes on.

>>49982154
Better than whoever did the art for Stubborn Denial who doesn't know how a slashing weapon works

>>49982154
Wayne Reynolds is dead? What the fuck?

What the hell is Pathfinder gonna do?

>>49980658
Serves you right, you chaos-loving fuck. Death to red.

>>49982015
sounds neat! any ideas so far?

>>49982194
>people on /tg/ can't read

Life imitating memes imitating life. Beautiful.

>>49982246
>attack me theme
>chaos
Goodstuff baby in a nutshell.

>>49982178
>Better than James Ryman

Haha no. England was a fucking blight. Egg faces, needle teeth and blue mist.

>>49982285
Take away control and what do you have left? Gas the red walkers planar war now!

>>49981391
yea, could've probably had a better aesthetic if they went for spikes instead of feet

>>49981628
This card is going to make me unreasonably butthurt when it gets dropped against Godo

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I wanna learn more about mtg lore, especially pic related. I have no idea where to start, help me /tg

>>49982452
Most old commanders from the first two sets don't actually have much more. Kaalia has a short story about her but that's it, which is more than most have. We don't even know where a lot of them come from, let alone much about then.

>these past few threads
Thank Fuck most of them are going to leave in a month. I bet the don't even know who the legendary blue demon is, or who is best demon.

>>49982452
>Kaalia of the Vast sits within her mountain chapel pondering both the heavenly host and the infernal horde, tormented by her past, scarred by devastation. Her once-simple life as a cleric was reduced to ashes when shadowy beings massacred her congregation. Somehow she survived, but her soul was fractured, and a growing hatred soon grew in the cracks. Now, driven by a righteous fury and an unholy thirst for revenge, Kaalia broods feverishly, amassing her vast power, waiting to unleash her apocalyptic might upon any who stand in her way.

That's all her lore.

>>49982514
>>49982452
The little booklet blurbs can be found online, but good luck, it was a pain in the ass.

Like Shattergang Bros are from Ravnica, only on the blurb. That's why I hoard them even though I stopped reading them after the second commander set.

>>49982542
It was retconned a bit.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/go/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ur/207

>>49981391
>What is perspective

>>49982571
>page not found 404

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Lists are available upon request.

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>>49982581

>>49982581
I didn't know you built trostani gA, is it fun? Doran seems strictly better.

>>49982581
>>49982585
toppest memes

>>49982581
I'll bite, give me 「W E I R D S C I E N C E」

>>49982578
Fucking WOTC. Fix your website.

The story is called the Stonekiller and the second part (more relevant) is here: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/stonekiller-part-2-2012-08-13

>>49982542
Damn that wasn't much, wonder why they decided to make it so short.

>>49982585
>Mushroom Samba
Is that some Fungus tribal?

>>49982591
It's fun! It was originally the second build for Treva, and it was a lifegain deck. I felt like I was forcing myself to play blue value cards to justify HAVING blue (Drogskol Reaver and Sphinx's Rev notwithstanding), so I eventually cut the blue out entirely and made it Trostani. The primary focus is lifelink, with a secondary focus on large tokens and populate.

>>49982604
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/w-e-i-r-d-s-c-i-e-n-c-e/

It needs work. I trimmed a lot of the X-spells because of the negative synergy with Epic Experiment and Mizzix's Mastery, but now it feels like the only wincons in there are Psychosis Crawler and Comet Storm. I'm thinking about switching Mizzix out entirely (or into the 99) and putting in Melek.

>>49981513
"You get 10 infect, then you get 10 damage so I'll still have to come back and deal 10 infect later"

Yeah, she seems great

>>49982616
Because they had to write lore blurbs for 10 brand new characters?

>>49982630
Fungus/Saproling tribal, yeah. See, all I can build are terrible theme/tribal decks.

>>49982639
...you give Saskia infect, you silly billy. Select Player A, give Saskia infect, dome Player B and duplicate the damage onto Player A. Kill them both at the same time, then work on Player C.

>>49982581
I wish I could find the stand names you gave my decks. I also wish I watched Jojo to get the reference.

>>49980741
how much waifuposting was there when this card was unveiled? one of the most waifu cards of all time

>>49982660
All you really need to know for the reference is that in Part 3 things went crazy and people started having S T A N D S. The first slew were named after Tarot cards, then a few were named after Egyptian gods, and then towards the end of Part 3, they were using band names and song names. When Part 4 started, they pretty much went whole fucking hog with that.

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people in my meta are starting to amp up their blue degeneracy and i'm beginning to think i should put pyroblasts in every deck i got

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>>49982679
>>49982660
Found 'em!

rde:

「 G O L D E N D A Y S 」
「 X G O N ' G I V E I T T O Y A 」
「 G O F O R T H A N D D I E 」
「 D A N G E R Z O N E 」
「 L E G E N D O F T H E K E E P E R 」
「 M O T H E R O F D R A G O N S 」
「 H I G H L A N D E R 」
「 S N A K E E Y E S 」
「 D O U B L E T R O U B L E 」

God, I miss my old decks.

What is the most fun Simic commander?

>>49980400
I don't remember that.

Sources on these decks?

>>49982452
Her art really is fucking bad. I hope she'll get a new one next time.

>>49982635
>No Turnabout
>No Frantic Search
It's like you don't even want huge piles of mana.
If you want another wincon, I personally use Howl of the Horde followed by a kicked Urza's Rage can do good in some matchups. You go Firemind's Foresight for a Mystical Tutor, a draw spell and Urza's Rage, tutor the Howl, draw it then attack with something if you need to, cast Howl and the Urza's.

>>49982753
>>49982753
The new Kaladesh guy seems the most fun.

I also had a fun Kruphix list, but gods are commanders are eh. Kraj is janky and fun, but too mana intense. Everyone else is incredibly dull.

>>49982773
I have never claimed to be any good at Magic.

I like Mizzix okay, but I feel like with the deck being built 'for' her ability, I get fucked if she gets killed more than like... twice. I may rebuild with Melek.

>>49980229
No, it's great for when haste matters, which is often.

>>49982796
Melek is also fucked if he gets killed more than twice.

Jori En for best spellslinger. People actually don't kill her immediately.

>>49982810
Hanweir Garrison kind of showed it up.

>>49982796
>but I feel like with the deck being built 'for' her ability, I get fucked if she gets killed more than like... twice.
That why you try and win with her on the first and or second time you cast her. My Mizzix deck has a lot more cheap draw/card selection spells like Ponder and Brainstorm though and more tutors so I can hope to stumble into a combo while I play her.

Also, Lightning Greaves should be in your deck to keep Mizzix alive longer.

>>49982811
True, but the deck can function without him if need be. I feel like with Mizzix I'm counting on her to let me daisy-chain big spells. I dunno.

>>49982820
I mean, I've been avoiding Storm for a reason. I know it's the better option, but I just wanted to win by chucking goofy ass spells at everyone; storming out isn't fun for me, personally.

>>49982791
rashmi seems cool but every deck ive looked up is like a 500 dollar deck at least. i need budget builds to start off with

>>49982762
He's making shit up to rationalize his belief that people disliked lorwyn.

Vivids + Reflecting Pool were silly, but the only jund decks splashing for cryptic were at this guy's kitchen table.

>>49982828
But both Mizzix and Melek are storm. If you don't like storm, why would you have those decks? I mean, but goofy spells is fun and all (my personal favorite is Rite of Replication + Dualcaster Mage), but it doesn't always win you games.

I suggest tearing it down, and building something different. I'd suggest Arjun (more cards, more spells), Riku (double up on those spells), or Keranos (for pure value)

>>49982828
>I know it's the better option, but I just wanted to win by chucking goofy ass spells at everyone
Are you playing 1v1 or multiplayer? If you have a multiplayer group then I'll be honest with you, you need to go MORE goofy. I'm talking Warp Word, Insurrection, Scrambleverse, Thieves Auction, the fucking works. You want your gameplan to basically be hoping your opponent has a better gameplan to steal, I've had a lot of fun in multiplayer games with spells like that.

Has it already been revealed which decks will have which partners?

>>49982916
YES YOU SHITHEAD
IT'S IN THE NEW ARTICLE

>>49982903
Technically, because I bought the U/R deck for an event and liked it enough to tweak it, but didn't want to go the Storm route.

>>49982904
Eh... I'd like to avoid that. I already have a "you did this to yourself" deck chock full of Clones, and Chaos.dec isn't my cup of tea.

Mostly I just want to throw fun red and blue spells around.

>>49982933
>Mostly I just want to throw fun red and blue spells around.
The fun blue and red spells ARE chaos spells you turd.

>>49982941
To an extent, but I don't find a lot of joy in just playing "Fuck up everyone's board/game plan" every three turns. Maybe I'll just gut her and start over.

Which commander is the most yare yare daze?

>>49982635
Every time I play against someone using Trostani, they seem to forget the ETB lifegain trigger when he enters. I thought Doran was better by virtue of being able to splash Ayli and Tree of Perdition into a toughness matters style deck, but that's pretty good rationale. I know exactly what you mean when you need to run good blue things to justify having blue. I'm building Lord of Tresserhorn reanimator goodstuff, and I found that almost none of my carddraw was blue. The entire deck is black with a little splash here, and a little splash there, but when I compared it to my memnarch and brago brews, I was like "shit man, I could just run ponder/preordain/brainstorm/serum visions instead of all these janky ass wheel effects" until I realized that land-mill is really what the deck is going to be about.

Regardless of what he actually does, what do you want the last commander to do?

>when you cast your first spell on your turn, draw a card.
>each spell you cast on your turn after the first has cascade.

>>49982990
>When he enters
Not sure I follow. Trostani is 3 female dryads, and they don't trigger themselves.

>>49982996
No, but other creatures you play trigger the lifegain, and people seem to focus on the populate more than the lifegain part where I live. I've stopped reminding people about the trigger.

>>49983002
Ah, grok. Yeah, she got put into the Treva build specifically for her lifegain (and the wombocombo with Phyrexian Processor), so she seemed like the obvious choice to helm the new blue-less version. I like it. I haven't gotten to play it much since I put in the new suite of token-makers, though.

>>49982989
Teferi with a deck full of extra turns for that TIME HAS STOPPED feeling.

>>49982991
>>each spell you cast on your turn after the first has cascade
This would be unbelievably fucking broken.

>>49983040
Mostly because you'd keep cascading until you ran out of cheaper spells

>>49983028
Do you know any fun things I can do with Phyreian Processor? I have a FtV: Lore version, and it's just chilling in my binder with basically everything from that box, other than Memnarch.

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>>49983040
Should have said "cast out of your hand". Was thinking it, but forgot to write it

>http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-spoiler/grip-of-phyresis/
Thanks MaRo, I had just finished building Stoneblade you filthy kike.

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>>49982654
RTFC. Saskia isn't doing the extra damage.

Why the fuck can't /tg/ read? It's like 80% of every game discussed here.

jesus fucking christ the people on xmage are retarded

>guy casts removal on my blood artist while there's a selvala on the board
>in the most polite way possible call the removal guy a dumbass
>selvala player then uses his mana doublers, mana dorks and selvala to cast ulamog next turn
>ulamog destroys my dawn of the dead (had a fleshbag and the artist in gy and nothing else)
>everyone just starts xding in chat about politics and making friends

cool

>>49983080
>more bullshit for blue
Just fuck my life up... Why couldn't that have been colourless, or black? There's nothing blue about that card. I think we should start a petition to have any of the new C16 cards banned from the hop, house rules style.

>>49983080

cute.

>>49983073
Trostani/Angelic Chorus let you churn out huge Minions at very little cost, and even putting "just" 10 life into it + Populate can be dumb as shit.

>>49983092
Well that works even better, then. Pop Player A in the jaw with a Putrefax, Player B also gets a shitload of poison counters.

>>49983096
>There's nothing blue about that card.
Straight up steal effects are blue and have been for a long time.

>>49983095
It's your fault for playing online. If you aren't running t4 wombocombos, you deserve all the bullshit you get.

>>49983080
This should have been black.

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>>49983096
>There's nothing blue about that card
Alpha says hi

>>49983096
It does feel black.
>But anon there's preeeecedeeent for blueeee
Fuck off Kikewater.

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>>49983086
>I bet MaRo did this!

Look, I hate the smug little dipshit, too, but you gotta assign blame where it's actually due. Here's the list of fuckups responsible for this shitshow.

>>49983110
>>49983118
>tentative justifcations of the colour pie
The point is, there are a lot of unblanced blue cards coming out of this set and they are not going to be fun for other players to play against. Why should we have to put up with this bullshit just because designers are of the opinion that one colour should have answers to everything with no drawbacks?

>>49983123
Even colourless would have been fine, like all the other germ equipment, maybe with a black phyrexian mana just for shits and giggles. Blue is just the wrong colour for this bullshit.

>>49983110
it should have been an izzet spell or something

>magnetic theft part is red
>creating a small bullshit token is colorless/green/red
>taking permanent control is blue

>>49983118
>Alpha is precedent when it's blue.
>White doesn't get assimetrical stax, Black doesn't get rituals, Red doesn't get Land Destruction, Green doesn't get self-pumping fliers because old sets cannot be used to gauge what a color can do.
Again, fuck off MaRo. I want to play other fucking colors and not miss out on 3/4 of the mechanics.

>>49983139
>Why should we have to put up with this bullshit
Ban it with house rules then you baby.

>>49983118
>Muh Alpha

That's shit and you know it. WotC damage control is in full effect, lads.

>>49983039
My nigga, you've reawakened something inside of me

>>49983150
That's what I said in my original post, you incredibly dense person. God, I hate spoiler season. If enough people house-rule it, Sheldon might actually do something about it.

>>49983137
He's creative consultant in the Commander products since C15 for the same reason he became creative consultant on Core Sets with M14
>Song of the Driads, Chaos Warp, Hornet Queen
Are absolutely detestable crimes of nature against the sacred color pie, it's only ok when blue does it.

Now we don't have Core Sets anymore and this product looks so bad it almost feels like they want an excuse to cut it or at least trimm it off.

>>49983139
>Tentative justifications
Steal Artifact was printed in Alpha, Beta, Unlimited, Revised, Fourth, Fifth, Seventh, and Eight editions.

Bribery, printed in Fifth Dawn, steals an artifact out of an opponent's library.

Confiscation Coup, printed in Kaladesh, can steal artifacts (or creatures)

Domineer, printed in Mirrodin, is a Mind Control for artifact creatures.

I could go on. Stealing artifacts is absolutely 100% a blue effect, and has been for 20 fucking years. I agree that Blue does get too much other-color bleed, but this is not that.

>>49980325
Examples?

>>49983145
Creating black germ tokens is mostly black. It should have been MonoBlack or Rakdos but those are the colors WotC hates the most right after Boros and MonoRed.

>>49983148
>>49983151
If it was JUST in Alpha/Beta/Revised, I wouldn't have cited it, because the color balance was more than a little fucked. But they reprinted it in Fourth, Fifth, Seventh, and Eighth edition. There's also quite a few other "steal an artifact" effects in blue, ranging from as far back as Tempest to as recently as Kaladesh.

>>49983181
>this product looks bad
What? Literally 4 of the decks have blue in them. Even if blue is stupidly broken how does it make this product bad? 80% of the decks will have that broken blue stuff so it's still quite balanced as a product.

>>49983192
>even more tentative justifcations
Stealing the artifact isn't the problem, it's creating a black germ token for the artifact that's the problem, you equally dense person. I get it, you like blue and you want to run it, whatever. It's still something silly that should have been edited more carefully.

>>49983193
One of his recent ones was explaining Ludevic's shittiness as "Not every legendary character is a top down design. Sometimes the card has other issues it has to address (such as working well as a partner card)."

Ludevic. A well-established character from the most top-down plane in recent history. THAT is the character whose name they slapped onto their bottom-up U/R card drawer, instead of saving him for when they could build him top-down.

>>49983158
Hard mode: Use all those extra turns to voltron Teferi and kill the other players with Commander damage.
>Teferi stops time and ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA's everyone else to death

>>49983204
So I'm guessing everything with Living Weapon should've been a black artifact, then?

>>49983195
maro is too much of an intellectual to let his emotions get in the way of him logically making blue the most powerful and versatile color

>>49983137
MaRo is the head designer, everything has to pass through him to get an okay.

>>49983080
Goddamn that's nice. I can only imagine the salt from stealing a voltron commander's $60 foil sword of X and Y and there being nothing they can do except blow their own equipment up. Damn that's cruel.

>>49983226
Yes, or colourless like I said in my original post you illiterate mongoloid. Jesus I can't wait for spoiler season to end and you fags to go away.

>>49983203
It doesn't look bad becuse of blue being the only color to get good shit. It looks bad because blue being the only color to get good shit, the 4c commanders being bad and uncreative, and Partner being one more mechanic they pussyfooted around and ended up making it mediocre as fuck.

>>49983137
Not really.

>>49983226
Every living weapon is spiritually a black card.

>>49983240
So, if the effect is okay in COLORLESS, why the fuck is there a problem with it in blue?

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>>49983204
>>49983195
>it should have been black because of the token!
The token is black because all the other germ tokens are black. It would be an even bigger abomination for it to NOT be a black germ token.

>>49983250
Ah yes, black. The color of small creatures, token-making, and equipment.

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What the fuck am I casting into

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>>49983238
I mean the did reveal this anti-voltron card

When it enters or attack, attach any # of target equipment to it.

>>49979958
Literally the best card coming out of c16.

>>49983244
>bad and uncreative
Uncreative? Maybe a little, but certainly not bad. I don't understand why everything needs to be the new best. Commander spans all sets as a format, making a new staple literally means making cards that are the new best amonst all in magic's history. That shouldn't just be done willy-nilly.

Partner does seem borked but I'm withholding judgement. Who knows. Maybe 2 commanders really is broken.

>>49983265
Pretty straightforward.

All aboard the value deck.

>>49983269
Notice that you don't gain control of the artifacts, you just attach them. That's the difference. Also it's not at instant speed.

>>49983265

looks like fun.

>>49983252
>this mentally handicapped idiot arguing about nothing
So everyone could have access to it. That's why it should have been colourless, so it's a normal, everyday silver bullet for voltron decks, not some degenerate bullshit stashed into a blue deck filled with various other forms of effective removal.

>>49983256
The colour of the token is inconsiquentail.

They could have made the spell dimir, or golgari, or even simic and it would have been fine flavor-wise. I don't really care about the colour of the germ, I dislike that no other colour can use it, other than blue, for arbitrary reasons only "special people" seem to understand.

>>49983269
They still get the Sword effects, though.

>>49983292
you can still swing, and gain benefits of any swords/etc whatever.

They can equip back on their turn, but its still going to ruin a voltron commanders day.

>>49983254
>already making a sydri deck

I don't know how to feel about this.

>>49983286
>why everything needs to be the best
They don't. No reasonable person is upset that the 4-colors aren't Prossh tier, we're upset that they're Emmara Tandris tier. There's a spectrum between "Trash" and "broken", and these lean too far to one side.

>>49983289
Meh.

>>49983265
That wording is fucking awful, but I guess they had to do it to make the rules text fit on the card.

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Uh-oh, Maro won't be happy

>>49983289
Better Restock.

Neat.

>>49983289
Wow. That's incredibly lackluster.

>>49983294
I don't think you understand the concept of the color pie.

>>49983300
>and gain benefits of any swords
Incorrect. THEY get the sword trigger, because they control the Sword.

>>49983080
>stealing the Mirran Sword with the shittiest effect
At least make it F&F or F&I

>>49983238
It's gonna ruin Legacy for sure.
>Oh you got through all the hoops to cast and stick that Batterskull with Stoneforge? Look at me take it and protect the spell with CounterTop, because Miracles sure needed even more SB tech against one of it's previously decent matchups.

>>49983313
>Red gets bad cards
Suck it bluefags trying to dampen our spirits.

>>49983313
an Actually Good Card

what the fuck

>>49983327
And then they just pay 3 to return their Batterskull to their hand. This would be a sideboard card at bes.

>>49983313
Hah, ok, that's pretty cool.