EDH / Commander General

>>49974714
First for:
Build casually, play competitively!

Anyway, I need a partner combination for not red Exalted. Any ideas? I'm having trouble. Most are nonbos.

And I might do counters Sultai with Last Abzhan and whatever UG partners I can.

Second for Ludevic a shit

Is this card actually good? Seems like you need quite a board position to value off this. I guess people make Vorel decks and that works for them, so it's probably good.

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RW will never _______

>>49974741
They do run it. This lets them play other colors. And it triggers end step and doesn't draw cards if your opponents are stalling the game out and don't have Painlands or something.

I get he sucks and I'm disappointed too. I honestly hate how popular howling mines are in the playgroups I play in, but I get it.

>>49974767
...be a fun color combination.

>>49974767
Draw cards

>>49974767
be good.
have commanders that don't involve turning cards sideways.
be green.

>>49974767
Die

I can just pump something after declare blockers off of Sidar's effect, right?

>>49974831
I got something you can pump right here bb

I can't fucking wait to play the buttfuck bros. Most of my decks are aggro ( Prossh, Mazirek) so I can't wait to hang with my pillowfort of manly lust, giving out love until i Insta-combo in one turn and win

>>49974783
Yeah I do agree with you in regards to that, but I don't think anyone can say that he is a good card. Sure, someone can play him, but really they're just letting themselves down. I just don't think he's a good commander and everyone should be disappointed.

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Quick, post card advantage! This card gives me a sick two for one.

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Just got this in the mail, what can I expect?

>>49974789
Depala, Pilot Exemplar effectively draws cards, though contorting your deck around the cards she'll let you draw may not be worth it at this point.

>>49974878
For your play group to ignore most of your actions and just continue playing the game after you've gone infinite and won.

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>>49974695
I know it's hard, Anon. I know it's hard to even think about the fact that Ludevic will never expertly and respectfully examine every inch of Geralf's anatomy; that the two of them will never experiment with the effects of electricity on two bodies interacting together, or that they'll never be forced to sleep together in a dilapidated shack on the outskirts of Thraben as they hide out from Cathars trying to apprehend them and destroy everything they've built together. But it's the truth.

Well, I suppose they might still do that last bit, just not how you were thinking about it.

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oh shit, it's the gay lovers on Guardians of Meletis

>>49974831
Yep. Once it's not blocked it's not blocked.

>>49974899
Slow, senpai

>>49974896
We aren't going back to Innistrad for another 5-7 years anyway. So maybe I'll forget about all of this by then and they'll revamp Ludevic by then.

>>49974896
>>49974917
Gisa & Geralf had separate and pair cards, they could bro up for a card

>>49974899
>that short lore description
>the way they stand close together
>the way they look out over the city
>the fact one of them is holding the other guys helmet
>the fact that the same guy got his hand up the other guys hair in a touching embrace

this shit is so gay.

>>49974878
if you're doing it right? for people to hate you
if you're doing it wrong? for people to laugh at you

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>>49974917
>yfw they reprint Commander Ludevic in Innistrad 3.0

>"We didn't print him for a while and he was safe enough to print in our current Standard environment."

>>49974873
Please do not turn this into a meme

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>>49974873
Just drew two my man!

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just found this while going through gatherer looking for something to add to Atraxa, seems pretty good

>>49974896
So who's big spoon when they have to huddle together for warmth?

>>49974878
That deck is boring to both pilot and play against. It practically plays itself to victory if you build it right, if you build it wrong you do nothing until you're dead.

>>49974967
>Geralf is a 3/4
>Ludevic is a 1/4
You tell me, anon

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>>49974943
delete this

>>49974943
While I wouldn't want that it's significantly less bad in a 1 v 1 game since you opponent has to not damage you for the draw.

>>49975008
You cannot delete your future.

>>49974961
Oh snap. You spent one card and discarded a useless card to draw two? That's like a +2 to virtual card advantage

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>>49975033
No, but I can change it.

Anyone have a completely shroud or hexproof list? I dont care who or what, I just want to see what a non targetable decklist looks like without building one myself.

Reposting until Chaos Ogre gets spoiled so I can stop being salty about the rape of Ludevic
So we got:
>Disapointment Scientist
>Zombros
>Flankman
>Baby Kruphyx
>Aquaman
>Arson Goblin
>Weaver
>Fuccboi
>Shroom Girl
>Banana Snek
>Mohican/Angry about Dragons
>Disapointment Speaker
>Bondage Kor
>Moustache
>Etherium Man

>>49975078
It's "Saprowgli", you fucklord.

>>49974943

>We already printed a powerful UR Planeswalker in Kaladesh, and we didn't think it would be safe for standard if we also had a legendary UR artificer in Aether Revolt because legendary creatures are designed to be powerful and unique.

>>49975068
Is it really that hard to go to gatherer, check text and type "hexproof" into the box?

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>>49974917
>>49974929
Yeah, maybe we'll get a better card for him, where he's doing something properly on flavor or useful ingame or whatever.
Seriously. I can get behind silver fox, I can get behind old and creepy, I can even kinda get behind hairy if they'd went there. But a fucking bald spot? He looks like Doctor Weird wearing a Ghostbusters suit. Fuck this.

>>49974967
>>49974984
Geralf doesn't seem very tall to me, and size is what matters when we're talking about spoons. Ludevic could even sneak up on him from the left, because Geralf wears an eyepatch and has limited visibility.
Hard to say who's ACTUALLY taller, though, now that Ludevic looks like a goddamn garden gnome.

>>49974983

Decks that play themselves are fun

Complicated combo decks that take lots of decisions like storm are exhausting to play

Value decks are fun

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>>49975078
Fuccboi is a good replacement for Athreos I personally feel.

>>49975127
Eh... I don't agree. It costs nearly twice as much, is way easier to remove once it's on board, and gets you back one creature per turn. Athreos either bolts your opponent or gets a creature back every single time a creature dies.

>>49975031
...no? In 1v1 your opponent can only ever draw if they lose life on their own turn. YOU losing life doesn't stop the draw, read the fucking card.

>>49974762
it combos in some way with a dozen different take an extra turn cards, from virtually no board presence at all.

>>49975101
Wizards design philosophy is held back by the relationship between limited and standard. Limited counts on the scarcity of powerful cards to balance the draft or sealed environment, while standard knows that players will need to buy multiples of the strongest cards to complete a playset.

I thought they'd figured it out by restricting Commander products from being used in standard and modern environments, but then they shit up vintage and legacy. Whichever format Wizards caters to, they'll be pissing off another format - except for blue, C16 has some insane blue cards.

>>49975203
>It combos with take an extra turn cards
What fucking doesn't

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>>49975164
By the time you cast Fuccboi though you should have some pair of boots ready to throw on him anyway though. He doesn't have the same sort of protection as Athreos, but that's not a big deal.

A big deal to me is GUARANTEED recursion no matter what my opponent does. Besides, if you're running BW then pinging your opponent for 3 everytime a creature dies isn't going to be that big of a deal compared the amount of lifegain and drain you'd be doing otherwise.

The +1/+1 isn't even a a major plus but it's a nice bonus.

I think fuccboi is the only Partner Commander I'm really optimistic about. I also think he is one of the few worth playing without a partner.

>>49975212
>pay five mana
>I get a 3/3 fish

THANKS MARO

>>49974899
Fucking Magic the Gaythering

>>49975110
>"I have decided to make love to this machine, and in retrospect wonder why!" - Luvdec
>"I bet someone thinks that's pretty cool." - Geralf
>*Kraum revving*
>"My baby boy!" - Luvdec

>>49975218
There's pretty much no reason not to play a partner. Also are you serious? As far as WB goes I'd say Tymna was better. She's a shit Edric but a shit Edric is still pretty good. I kinda wanna build Ludovic Tymna for super shit-Edric.

From a Japanese Podcast, "HenryPlaysMagic" the following cards are "confirmed" for each Commander Product

>Allied Talisman Lands (2per)
>*NEW* Enemy Talisman Lands (2per)
>Allied Panoramas (2per)
>*NEW* Enemy Panoramas (2per)
>Chromatic Lantern
>Command Tower
>Commander's Sphere
>Evolving Wilds
>Terramorphic Expanse

>>49975218
Tana and one of the others that make it into naya seem ok enough

>>49974941
I don't know, I'm not seeing it.

>>49975268
There's no space for new lands in the Commander decks.

>>49975262
I'm serious about being optimistic about him, yes.

I feel that Tymna would be pretty useless unless you're playing multiplayer games. But she does seem pretty ok, yes.

>>49975203

How does it combo with a dozen different extra turn cards? What extra turn cards have counters? Only ones coming to mind are sage of hours and ral zarek

>>49975217
fair enough.

>>49975239
Two heads are better than one.

>>49975268
Talisman lands? The painlands?

>>49974941
Don't forget the swords touching in the background.

>>49975297
waterveil and magistrate's scepter come to mind.

>>49975268
>*NEW* Enemy Panoramas (2per)
Panoramas work with three lands, so shouldn't that say "wedge panoramas"?

>>49975305
I think he meant the Signed Lands

>>49975268
>Chromatic Lantern in every deck
>Chromatic Lantern is rare
>Rare cards are usually only printed in one of the five decks

I'm gonna have to see it to believe it.

>>49975268
>Enemy Talisman Lands

You mean painlands, the same stuff we saw a couple Standards ago... right?

>>49975110
I actually thought about and actually I think the flavor is there for Ludevic, though its mostly to his portrayal in SOI block as Geralf's mentor. Just most people don't think of Ludevic that way as it's a pretty specific point in time. Even the flavor text is actually acknowledging the specific Ludevic this is meant to be referencing. It's a response to someone (Geralf in canon) asking why he's so smart or whatever and he's telling them why. But the idea is basically you hurt people to gain knowledge in a roundabout way kind of fits Ludevic, and he lets other people do it because he took a mentorship role in SOI block.

I so agree that it was still a bit of a fail since that's not the lease most people think of Ludevic. And these cards most assuredly were made before having characters assigned to them, so from the beginning the ability probably wasn't meant specifically for Ludevic so they had too through own mental hoops to explain why it's him. I'm sure we'll get another eventually. Getting a shitty Geralf didn't stop us from getting gisa and Geralf who while not amazing is pretty ok

>>49975268
>Chromatic Lantern

fuck yes, hopefully this means a decent price drop altogether too then.

>>49975262
Silas and Sidar are better for a Edric like deck. Sidar makes all your bears harder to block and you can run all sorts of small creatures that draw you cards on combat damage. Hell you can run Edric. Flying bears is go!

>>49975357
A bit slow eh? Chromatic Lantern is at $4 and was spoiled like 2 days ago.

>>49975292
Just drawing one card is fine, she just scales better in multiplayer. She comes down sooner and starts making card advantage sooner than ravos (and about as consistently I'd say since both engines are reliant on creatures, though ravos ia better later as he can keep using the same creatures whereas Tymna needs to draw more or maintain them). She's basically a roundabout phyrexian arena. I think the biggest thing is she needs some build around to have one and two drops with evasion to consistently punch. Ravos is a little more goodstuffy I suppose.

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Which one should I make

>>49975268
I greatly apologize

I meant to write down the Wedge Panoramas and the Enemy SIGNET lands...

Also the Buddy/Check lands are getting reprinted (Dragonskull Summit, Isolated Chapel, etc)

>>49975284
Myriad landscape
Tower of command
The one that quits hexproof.

>>49975317

It doesn't combo with the waterveil though

Magistrates scepter combo is interesting though

Still think it doesn't compare to the ral zarek interaction though

>>49975411
Tana and Sidar synergize well together. I imagine they'll be the better pair.

>>49975411
If you aren't a fag, Flankman and Moustache
Realistically, top pair
>>49975423
Wait, so is Bosk getting a full cycle?

>>49975386
Eh. Sidar kondo just feels too expensive to me. Ludevic and Tymna have the upside of dropping turn 2-3. He's a good option though. He curves well off either Ludevic or Tymna. Kondo Tymna could be pretty cool. Turn 3 Tymna/Ludevic turn 4 Kondo let's you swing with just them and no other cards for your card advantage engine.

>>49975450
>>49975451
yea that's what i was thinking

also i am indeed a fag

>>49975425
No, I meant in this Commander set. There are 56 new cards but the Domain Geode is 55. So maybe one new land but that's it.

>>49975411
Which deck is gruul bitch in? She's one of my favorite partners

>>49975451
NOPE

Only Mumoring Bosk is getting reprinted. Theyre not gonna give Enemy/Wedge colors something unique without Allied/Shard colors getting it first.

>>49975478
Saskia, deck also comes with Ravos.

>>49975454
Fuck man now I really want to do Tymna/Kondo. That feels pretty good. Too bad they're not four color. Doesn't feel in the spirit of four color commander set. I could Ludevic/Kondo but Tymna is probably a better draw engine.

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>>49975484
>Theyre not gonna give Enemy/Wedge colors something unique without Allied/Shard colors getting it first.
MOTHER
FUCKERS

>>49975478
probably dune / saskia

I was intending on getting the sans blue one anyway because fuck blue.

>>49975510
if it ain't got blue it's the wrong hue

>>49975342
If that's the case, Ludevic sounds more like Nin the Pain Artist, or Feldon of the Third Path. Whatever Ludevic is supposed to be, I don't get the vibes of either necro-alchemy or mentorship from him. It's definitely a let-down, no matter how the designers retroactively spin it.

>No green is shit
>No blue is fuck this person in particular
>No black is gay butt group hug
>No red is value
What's no white gonna be? Probably something with Cascade going off the name and his blurb.

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>building without red for the first time in forever
I feel so lost.

>>49975594

I believe it's cards you cast from your hand have cascade.

>might be able to convert Ezuri into Atraxa

I am fine with this.

Hell, I could even comfortably play him AND Meren in the same deck now and they'll not even be half bad working on each other's back as a sub-core with a bunch of revival bullshit to keep them up.

>>49975615
better dead than red, you are on the true path.

NEW UPDATE FROM MOTHERSHIP

EVERY DECK WILL CONTAIN ONE(1) MONO COLORED PLANESWALKER REPRINT

MAKE YOUR BETS

>>49975689
but red's the second best color

>>49975681
I was thinking of doing something like that but I just feel like Meren is too big to be one of the 99.

>>49975706
>Source: my ass

>>49975583
Nin had a similar flavor (hurt things = learn more). I don't know where felons coming from. I agree he doesn't feel very nexro-alchemist at all which is the biggest let down because that's his whole fucking schtick is the epithet on his card. But I disagree he doesn't feel mentor-y. The idea is that he's teaching you stuff (drawing cards = learning) by having you hurt other things which fits his role as mentor to Geralf. But it will always be the case that the card almost certainly came first and they just kind of stretched things to make it on flavor. There be definitely been some much better flavor hits like Vial Smasher. But while at first I kind of thought it was lame how totally off Ludevic was to how I envisioned him, I see what they were going for and it makes sense to me. I still don't think hes powerful enough for such a hyped up character though.

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>>49975594
No white is making your opponent's go pic related as you cascade into a board wipe into infinite mana into infinite damage

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>>49975706
Why,don't you link it if it's true.
Otherwise, you're just talking out your ass.

>>49975342
>>49975583
>>49975718
The flavor (the shitty, shitty flavor) of Ludevic is that whenever someone is injured he steals a part of their brain/mind somehow and gives it to the person.

>>49975710
Yeah, she's definitely a card that you are basically always happy to see, which makes her as a commander really nice, though Atraxa's color combination and ability is perfect for a revival/counter spamming deck. Meren is definitely useful in that herself.

>>49975724
>It just werks

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>>49975706
Where's your source, nigga?

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>>49975724
When are we going to get a macro of Yidris with "what the fuck am I casting"

>>49975718
Feldon came to mind as a solid example of red reanimation. If I had to see Ludevic as Izzet while also keeping his necro-alchemy theme, I would've hoped he had some sort of passive drawing effect, while being able to discard cards to reanimate creatures from the graveyard.
He was definitely made to fit into the archetype of the commander he's packaged with, rather than to meet any sort of flavour or design expectations, and that's a shame.

>>49975747
What are your thoughts on Mazireck being in Atraxa?

>>49975615
what did you do with red before?

>>49975689
It just feels so weird with no Mountains. Like, I know almost every other color is better as a mono-color except white, but red enables so much crazy bullshit that I can't bring myself to let it go. Everything feels kinda stale in comparison.

>>49975777
He should have made 1/1 wolf zombie artifact creature tokens with hast and flying.

>>49975740
What? No. What? It's been explained on the mother ship the card wnated his tutelage with Geralf, and that when a player does damage its considered as doing a harmful experiment and they learned something by hurting someone. It's said that Ludevic learns from the pain and suffering his creations cause. Which I'm pretty sure is totally new information just to make him fit the ability and UR. But still.

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I don't like the idea of 4 color. God, 3 color decks are already scraping for some space, I don't wanna imagine how absolutely choked 4C ones will be.

>>49975814
That's even stupider than what I posted

>>49975782
Depends on your build. He's only really worth it if you go deep into saccing stuff and going wide. Otherwise he's just above mediocre for her in my eyes.

Of course he's absolutely brutal if you do get him out onto a decently set-up field.

hey guys, can you help with my commander deck?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/green-ramping-boy/
im going to sleep by the way, will check in morning

>>49975820
You ever hear of Child decks?

>>49975820
2-color decks can feel cramped depending on their gameplan.

>>49975777
I agree such a hyped character was pretty much pigeonholed into fitting the specifications for a precons theme. But oh well. I hated it more than I do now since I see what they were getting st. My biggest problem is that he still has the epithet necro alchemist, because that's what hes always been called, but the card isnt really about that mechanically.

>>49975831
maro please leave

>>49975813
By taking advantage of Ludevic's drawing ability, you're actively hindering your ability to control an awesome zombie mecha wolf. That just doesn't seem right.

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>>49975782
Not him but I've always felt kind of torn on Mazirek in Meren. He's strong and can make shit get out of control insanely fast but I don't like his casting cost or body. I much prefer ETB or things that have effects on death or make things die in Meren to keep momentum.

Gonna chuck him into Atraxa though. He seems like a really good fit in there. Same with Bloodspore Thrinax.

>>49975615
Enjoy having a good deck for a change

>>49975823
Its ready not. Its shit they pulled out od their ass to make him fit an otherwise unconcepted and unrelated card but I'm pretty sure the takes peoples brain thing is kinda more stupid.

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>>49975824
this will also be helpful in Atraxa

>>49975847
I took Mazireck out of my Meren. I've also tweaked my Meren so much to the point where I'm actually making a Mazireck with my leftovers.

>>49975851
>he makes it mono-white

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>>49975268
>Enemy Panorama Lands

Aren't the panorama the shards? So now its wedges?

>Hey let's introduce this mechanic and then never do anything with it again, or even do anything interesting with it in the first place

I love XP 2

>>49975801
Everything it was capable of. Spellslinging, artifacts, aggro, tokens, burn, stack fuckery, all that shit. I'll keep lists, and definitely bring a red deck with me on EDH night, but I have to step back from building with it for a while.

I will find something, the Johnny is strong with me

http://www.magicspoiler.com/commander-2016-spoiler/

PAINLANDS, SEMI-FILTER, CHECK

DUAL LANDS AHOY BOIS
PLACE YOUR ORDERS NOW

>>49975865
>pull 6 Gearhulks
>all of them black and blue
I hate it.

>>49975930
Black ones are great.

>>49975913
I really hope they reprint the full cycle.

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MEANWHILE, SOMEWHERE IN AN UNDERGROUND RAKDOS CARNEY TENT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JiSTG1sEXY

If they don't reprint the entire Pain/Check cycle AS WELL AS finally printing the Signet Lands, i will fucking furious

>>49975930
>blue gearhulk is like $30

Poor you. Sell them and buy 15 other gearhulks.

>>49975954
>RG Aggro mirror match

>>49975973
people care about snapcaster hulk?

>>49975891
Fuck you. Ezuri is fun

>>49976010
Yea, he is, I've played him and meren.

It's just that they did so little with XP and I bet they'll never use the mechanic ever again.

So much wasted potential.

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>>49976002
>>49975973
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These guys are cool as shit and I can't wait to include them in the shitty Rubinia faerie tribal deck I'm building

>>49975964
It seems to be leaning that way. I mean, honestly it'd be stupid of them not to. These decks were gonna be a pain in the fucking ass to fuel anyway, and even if it's just the friendly and enemy color land cycles in each, I'll be happy.

Still though, even this is a huge step up from 2013.

Chromatic AND these duals?

>>49976002
It's because Bulkcaster Mage has 6 copies in the Kaladesh Pro Tour finals and was the breakout Gearhulk.

It's another "expensive because Standard " card. Once it rotates, it'll be $5-8 again. Its garbage in Vintage, Legacy, too slow in Modern and honestly isn't that amazing in Commander because it cannot flash back Sorceries.

Itll see play in Cubes though.

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>>49976002
>>49976037
Standard protour, some chink made a deck to counter the entire meta and snapcaster hulk was the centerpiece. I for one still believe in the red gearhulk

>>49976063
Esper Artifacts likes this thing.

>>49975594
tfw he is possibility storm and all players attack players at random and whenever a player flips a coin flip 2 you choose.

>>49976037
Damn it dropped fast. Managed to get rid of the two I had when they were $25-30. Tried them out in EDH but I only wanted to get back sorceries with it, so I decided to cut it.

>>49974714

So how do people feel about this product so far?

I feel a little underwhelmed, though I wasn't too stoked to begin with. I kind of imagine this is due to the difficulty of designing 4 color commanders though. Partner feels very underwhelming and I wish that most of them didn't care exclusively about combat. Also not feeling any of the generals. I might try the artifact lady, but I'm not sure adding red is worth trading out sydri for I guess.

We'll see how the RGBU one is too. If he just makes things cascade he could be good solely based on the strength of cascade.

>>49976124
Incredibly underwhelmed. I knew I wouldn't like the 4 color scheme but I thought partner was a cool idea before they fucked it up.

So what gimmick will Commander 2017 hold?

>>49976124
I'm more excited about the basic lands than any of the other cards.

>>49976124
It's not nearly ridiculous enough. I'll put a few cards into my existing decks, but so far nothing spoiled has inspired me to build a new deck at all.

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>>49976145
I'm really not sure what they could do aside from bring back Tribal in some form.

An interesting twist would to do Tribal with odd colored themes

Red Merfolk
Blue Goblins
etc..

I really have no idea.

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>>49976124
I went from "completely uncaring" to "mildly interested" when they revealed partners to "completely uncaring" once again because they made them completely antisynergistic and ultra garbage even if they have the ability to get extra colors. That ability is irrelevant if they just don't work toward the same, or similar, gameplan.

>>49976145

5 color commanders.

But they lean toward 1 color so it will be R(G/2)(W/2)(U/2)(B/2)

I think I'm retarded, because I don't understand how the Boonweaver/Pattern combo can go infinite and end up killing the table.

>>49976145
A colorless Commander
A five color Commander
Three gimmick decks

>>49976124
Thinking about the combinations for partners and the concept od it in general is very fun to me. But most of the partners don't seem great to compensate for the advantage of effectively opening 2extra cards you always have instead of one. I'm super by disappointed in Akiri. Ia am so upset about her. I wish/l there were/hope there is another cheap 2 cost partner besides akiri.

The four color guys are fin. Atraxa is boring g since her build around carrot is too slow to be with building around but she is in good colors and generally efficient enough to just be a goodstuff deck with a higher planeswalker quota perhaps. Saskia seems good. Breya depends on how easy her combos are and if it's easy enough to fuel herjitte abilities. Kynaios and Tiro are a little too friendly for me since there doesn't seem to be an loophole without other cards to make his group hugging one-sided which I feel is something a good group hug commander does. And Yidris will probably be okay I guess. Cascade is a strong ability so.

>>49976124
I'm reserving full judgment until Friday but so far I feel it's only underwhelming because of the huge focus on Partner. I'm digging the face legendaries, Atraxa, Saskia, and Gays are all really good commanders. Especially liking Gays and Saskia since they are really interesting abilities. The only one I'm not really feeling is Breya. Still have to see what Yidris pulls to the table.

I find the new undaunted mechanic to be interesting pretty cool but they will be pretty unused cards unless you have dedicated groups to play multiplayer in.

For the rest of the product I'm hoping the reprints are good and the landbase is strong. 4 colors is rough when 3 color itself is fucking hard to work with.

I dunno, I'm optimistic to the full product, Partner is kind of a bummer, and the face cards are cool. Probably gonna pick up Atraxa since my LCS is planning an EDH event with the new decks.

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>>49975820
>mfw already ordered or pulled from personal collection near 250 spells for a four color deck

Paring it down to 67 will be a hallatious test of character

>>49976145
planeswalker commanders 2: electric boogaloo

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Is this card worth running? My meta right now has some absurdly greedy nonbasic landbases, but I'm trying to avoid Ruination on account of the fact that my R/W deck has a few nonbasics I'd rather not sacrifice on account of its generally weak ramp game.
I'm trying to decide between this guy and From the Ashes. Does anybody have experience with either?

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>>49976230
>planeswalker commanders 2.0

eh

>>49976238
I ran it in Rosheen Meanderer and eventually cut it.

>>49976124
Reserving judgment until the full list are revealed. Most Commander Products are pieced out for their new splashy cards or sweet reprints.

>>49976145
Something like
>One colorless artifact deck
>One multicolor Voltron deck
>One multicolor Eldrazi deck
>One multicolor Ally deck
>One multicolor Scarecrow/Changeling deck
Can't do much with colorless aside from artifacts and Eldrazi, and there are already 5 Eldrazi commanders

>>49976202
The version I encountered didn't outright kill but ended with truboslime so nothing could stay on the table.

>>49976212
>Breya

I want to like her, but I don't know if I'm feeling it. It depends on how easy they make it to give her sacrifice fodder. I just wish that making tokens was her 'white' ability and she had another blue ability instead of the way she is now, maybe, or if the cost was slightly less steep.

Definitely disappointed in the partner thing though. I understand them having simple abilities, I just wish those abilities weren't so dependent on getting into the red zone.

>>49976292
I agree she definitely should have had a token making ability over one of them. I get she was supposed to be a jitte but the token making would help her snowball.

>>49976264
>Can't do much with colorless aside from artifacts and Eldrazi

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So what happens if you use Chaos Ogre guy's cascade ability with Maelstrom Wanderer?

>>49976145
Ally color commanders.

>>49976320
You cascade three times.

>>49974899
I can't wait to put them in my affirmative action deck

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>>49976320
I heard you like spells...

>>49976313

Definitely. I would have been fine with drawing cards, or maybe tapping permanents/bouncing non-land permanents too or something.

Also, another thing I'm disappointed about is just how many of these legends all come from random nobodies from Theros.

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>>49975954
>>49975976

>>49976264
>Scarecrows
>Still no legendary Scarecrow that gives all creatures Fear

I was surprised and excited when I first saw partner, because I thought it was a novel idea and wondered what kind of cool synergies we would get

but they played it so safe that almost none of them have anything interesting going on and most are tied to swinging with them for damage

>>49976264
I'd say tribal, but the green Freyalise deck was already kind of elf-ballish so I don't know what they'd do in lieu of elves.

>>49976347
Kydele is actually a pretty important character technically speaking. But I think they fucked up by having so many chances yet so few old magic characters. Like, OLD ones. I think that was what people liked about c14. Freyalise and Teferi were iconic classic characters. Kondo is here but hes pretty much the only representative. There's still guys like Tawnos and Ashnod and Gix and such.

I don't fault them for making literally who cards since pretty much every legend is a literally who in commander products since most of them did not previously exist. Kydele is actually pretty important in Theros.

>>49975913
they will hopefully reprint the full cycle of painlands. $10 for a brushland is ridiculous

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How about this for Grixis Goodstuffs?
I'm really not a fan of Commander 2016, but I want to at least try and figure out something cool.

>>49975423

Enemy SIGNET lands is in fact new and quite interesting

>>49976405
they also had the gays, plus there's ludevic (rip in peace), atraxa, and ishai for ""important"" people on a plane

>>49976375
That's it right there. They're playing super safe in a format where they should be able to stretch their creative muscles.

>>49976411
It's fine I guess. I actually think Ludevic was being pretty underrated since he isn't even close to what any of envisioned. He is a shitty Edric but Edric is a pretty high bar. Hes cheap and he's a draw engine. And letting other people draw is not that big a deal in xommander.

>>49976411

Seems bad, why do you want to run ludevic? The other guy isnt good but at least it's not actively bad, ludevic helps everybody else

>>49976405

I would have been fine with just Kydele and the Gay Kings, but there's at least two other legendaries from Theros. More old cards would have been cool, it would have helped them feel more differenty. I enjoyed seeing freyalise and teferi cards and I didn't even play during that time.

>>49976429
>They're playing super safe in a format where they should be able to stretch their creative muscles.
To be fair, "stretching their creative muscles" lead to Derevi and Oloro.

Planning on getting the Yidris deck and wanted to theme it around Cascade, which older cascade cards are usable?

>>49976411
I'd run Kraum instead of Ludevic there.

>>49976411
Just go Arsonist and Baby Kruphix. Works better and you get tons of mana if you run cards like Nekusar or Puzzlebox

>>49976124
So far

>Non-Permanents

Undaunted is an OK mechanic, but I doubt either of the two cards with it spoiled at this time will see too much play.

Blue Creature Swap seems REALLY strong for its CMC.

Cruel Entertainment is at least interesting.

Basic landcycling cards are fine if unimpressive.
>Artifacts.
Prismatic Geoscope is best in 4-5 color decks, but not terrible. The fact that it's any combination of colors is neat.

Crystalline Crawler is fantastic in any sort of "Counters Matter" deck.

Conqueror's Flail doesn't seem good enough to be in the 99 of stuff, honestly, but I could be wrong, remains to be seen.

>Creatures
Faerie Artificers and Deepglow Skate are busted as fuck, fucking blue god damn.

Other creatures are basically fine. Green is big, Red is chaos, white is protection, ho hum.

>4 Color Commanders
Praetor's Waifu is boring, but well designed. I can't wait to play all the superfriends decks and set their mom's money on fire because they think they can just throw a stack of expensive cards together and call it a deck.

Metaltits McHollowbitch is also boring, but hopefull it will get the Izzet Artifags to shut up.

Confirmed Bachelors is perplexingly bad, and this is from someone who loves pillowforts and gay sex. "Hey, everyone gets card advantage or ramp." People say they don't see the red in it, but I think it's obvious: You loose the game quicker than you would have normally! What's more red than that?

Bravetits is cool, honestly. Not top tier, but an interesting design at least. Blink her to deal double damage to whoever you're attacking this turn. I like it. However
>Soldier
Literally unplayable wtf I hat magic now

>Partners
Basically an unmitigated disaster. "Build your own Commander" should have been the coolest thing ever. Instead you get "2 $0.25 rares that you can cast whenever that don't interact with your deck at all."

Shoutout to Ludevic as the most naked display of contempt for the players since the last one.

>>49976451
You can just ignore shitters who play with them, you have to deal with it if they just put out 20 shit commanders.

Excuse me, I mean 170 shit commanders

>>49976448
There's 3 Ravos, Tymna, plus the UG Merfolk. I don't mind that there's so much. It's whatever. Someone had to have the most. It helps I actually like Theros at least as a plane. Still surprised there was no Ravnica representation. It's pretty glaring.

>>49976474
>Conqueror's Flail doesn't seem good enough to be in the 99 of stuff, honestly
>+2/+2 or more
>Opponent can't use instants

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I'm getting the Planechase Anthology set and I'm thinking about building a Vela the Night-Clad deck. Ninjutsu seems really fun.

Or should I build that RG worm thing?

>>49976451
That's true. I'm sure they're bouncing back from that, and playing it extra safe for the most part. Maybe in a year or two they'll have figured out where they want to go, without making it underwhelming or degenerate.

>>49976479

I forgot about the U/G Merfolk. that's probably what really tipped the balance for me. Also that they're all in the same damn color combination.

>>49976457
Theres 16 Cascade cards, nothing too interesting.

http://magiccards.info/query?q=o%3Acascade&v=card&s=cname

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>>49976451
Broken and tedious legends are more interesting than "shit I could get in standard sets literally every year."

The reason I was hype for these commander sets was so I could get interesting legends that did different things and lend themselves for different types of decks. Instead, for the last two years, we're just getting bland cards that don't really do anything they couldn't have printed in a standard set, with some minor things that might not be standard printable (Experience counters, partners). I'd much rather have a Derevi every year vs 4 new 3/3 double striker for 4.

>>49976492
burning skeletits

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>>49976457
Maelstrom Wanderer is the first one that comes to mind,.then BBElf.

>>49976432

Why are people comparing him to Edric? I see no similarity besides the 3 CMC.

If three different players lost life, does the ability trigger three times and that player get to draw three cards by the end of his or her turn?

>>49976457

any card with cascade is probably useable. Cascade only gets better when you use it multiple times.

>>49976501
They a had to be since it's the gimmick of the set, to have a pair of related (though "related" ended up being a huge stretch as it's basically just being on the same plane, despite the first example being Ludevic and his creation which is not a relationship shared between any of the other enemy partner combinations).

>>49976492
I've got a Vela deck that focuses on how Intimidate works with colorless creatures. There's a bunch of Eldrazi and "Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage." effects. It's pretty fun, but it's probably not as strong as ninjutsu would be.

which decks do you predict will be the most popular/sell out the quickest?

>>49976457
There are only 9 cards with Cascade that don't have white in them. Of those nine, only four are spells. You don't have much to go on unless Wizards decided to print new Cascade cards for us to play with

>>49976457
>Cast Maelstrom Wanderer.
>Cascade into cascade into cascade into cascade into cascade.
>Guttersnipe on the field
>Deal like 20 damage at the end.

Sweet

>>49975891
Can you imagine the asshurt if Wizards printed Partner cards in the regular blocks? Or hell, experience counter cards right after Kaladesh?

>>49976474

>Izzet artifags to shut up

as one izzet artifag, it will not. It's nice that she kind of supports the strat, I suppose, but I'd like to see something really dedicated and interesting for it.

I might get her and see how I like her though.

>>49976490
Yep. I read what the card does. Take an aspirin and when you feel up to it read the rest of that sentence

>but I could be wrong, remains to be seen

I'm aware of it's strengths. I'm also aware that people hold up artifact removal for shit exactly like this and that wasting 4 mana is a bad strat

>>49976517
It's a draw engine based on using evasive dudes to swing in. In the car id Ludevic it also lets opponent ts draw like Edric. But the important part is that hes a consistent draw engine with a similar method of set up to edric. Just Edric is far and away better since you can get way more draws. But Edric is extremely powerful so. Not to say I wouldn't rather have extremely powerful. Just saying they probably didn't want to make one that strong.

>>49976541
Atraxa seems the most straight-forward powerful, and I expect that will appeal to casuals. It's either that or the gay lords, again because casuals

>>49976591
Atraxa and the Cascading ogre.

>>49976560
Partner would do literally nothing outside of commander though, they'd just be kind of meh legends.

XP could be used but they aren't going to because they're hacks

>>49976538
>>49976492

I have a sort of ninjutsu deck and it's not TOO amazing, but I do like it as a pet deck. I run a lot of small evasive creatures and bounce effects (Umbillicus, crystal shard). It can be fun but it's by far my weakest deck, personally.

There's probably room for improvement but Vela herself is expensive and vulnerable and other than making your creatures slightly harder to block doesn't do much. i've won games off the back of an early silent blade oni stealing awesome goodstuff cards from my opponent's hands though. Certainly one of the saltiest ways to win a game of magic. Her ping effect has won me games before too. The last victory I had I played Wash Out, calling white (which bounced my opponent's creatures), swung for ~15, and then Soul Quake'd to finish her off with another ~7 damage.

>>49976145
Players can be commanders.

>>49976537

I think I would have rather have them not be related, I guess. Magic has a ton of cool settings, and I feel like Theros lies in my bottom tier of cool magic settings.

And one year later people played partners and enjoyed them...

>>49976124
Should probably wait on what all the reprints/new cards are going to be but so far it's a total waste of money. Just buy the commander that interests you the most and ignore the rest of the chaft.

Partners COULD have been interesting and cool, even if it's pretty parasitic, but every single one of them have been total dogshit so far. Expect to never see another new partners card ever again.

>>49976323
Winner Winner

Congratulations anon! You pulled off your infinite combo! The only thing is, what number do you declare?

>>49976586

I must be reading the card wrong, because I just don't see it.

It reads to me as a howling mine effect, that only affects an opponent if he didn't attack you, or you if you did at least one damage to an opponent (through any means, not just creatures)

>>49976145
Commanders with epic
Commanders that are lands
Commanders that allow you to play with conspiracies
Commanders that have an ability T: roll the planar die
Commanders with no mana cost
Commander decks with only basic lands and every card has new art

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>>49976631

>>49976659
18 quintillion

Just to be safe

>>49976476
>you have to deal with it if they just put out 20 shit commanders
But I don't. It doesn't matter to me if I play against partner commanders, really. It's not like I'm forced to buy this product.
>You can just ignore shitters who play with them
Except for the part where I have to play against them.
>>49976504
My biggest mark against the partner commanders is actually that they don't feel like legendary creatures at all: legendary creatures in standard sets are usually a lot more interesting, ability-wise, than these ones. So I guess I agree with you on everything but the last bit.

>>49976659

14 bajillion

>>49976642
lol thats a funny joke. I needed a good laugh tonight.

>>49976632
Shandalar, Dominaria, Rath...

To be honest with you, I'm all Alara and Ravnica'd out too, but god damn it why Theros? It was cool that it was a thing, but Three of the fucking fifteen is at least two too many.

Same goes for Innistrad and Zendikar. We were just there. CHANGE THE FUCKING CHANNEL.

>>49976642
It's possible to enjoy them.
People are merely disappointed by the comparative weakness of most of the cards this year, and the horrible design of certain others, a la Deepglow Skate.

Partners are merely "half of a commander", and most of the halves don't go back together very well.

>>49974714
Even Insurrection is blue now.
The rampant, shameless predilection is sickening.

>>49976660
I think with a bit of tweaking he wouldn't be so abysmally bad and could be a sneakier Edric, but as it stands he's really bad

>>49976677
>Except for the part where I have to play against them.
You don't know. If someone in your group is being a shitter just tell them to fuck off and play something else.

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>>49976664
>that fucking filename

>>49976694
What, Reins of Power? That's a reprint

Sorely in need of new art btw, thank god for that

>>49976694
>now
It's a reprint.
Still bad, but it's not new.
>>49976702
I'm too nice for that.

>>49976694
Reins of Power has been a card since 1998.

>>49976687
Considering how consistently wrong you fucking morons are about cards, laugh it up.

I'll be sitting here having fun.

So are we ever gonna get more Legends with Partner? if so how do you guys think it would be done?

>>49976660
Their usage and build around are similar. Edric builds into a deck that plays lots of evasive creatures to draw extra carda each turn. Ludevic wants you play lots of evasive creatures (you can use other things but creatures are most consistent since they all stick around to keep doing it every turn, though you'd probably play some other stuff too) to draw en extra card each turn. Just Edric is orders of magnitudes stronger since he easily gets multiple draws whereas Ludevic always only gets you one.

Can someone please explain to me why Wizards just loves to fellate Theros? At least you can make some sense with Ravnica/Zendikar/Innistrad they are popular and they sell, but barely anyone remembers Theros that fondly.

>>49976320
what's chaos ogre's ability? I know people got it from the product picture of all 5 decks but I didn't see the post with the info

>>49974762

it's going to be a goddamn start in my "bookkeeping bonanza" edh deck.

>>49976753

Commander 2017. Or some new Two Headed Giant product.

>>49976753
Maybe in three or four years.

>>49976691

It's 4 of the 15. Both the W/B and the G/U planeswalkers are from Theros.

I would have rather waited on a Ludevic card until they were willing to make it good too. Part of me was hoping for a cycle of enemy colored legends that weren't designed to be Commanders for the deck but were somewhat synergetic with the base commanders like the cycle in the original product. kinda disappointed we just got bad partners instead.

>>49976760
I don't know, either. I know a lot of people liked Theros, the original set, but everything after that was a complete let down for pretty much everyone. This baffles me almost as much as the whole "RW Giants" thing they keep fucking pushing.

>>49976760
I'm pretty sure people and players at large actually like Theros as a setting. Just it's block is not remembered so fondly by mor enfranchised players. Also Theros cards are easy to concept since they're just ancient Greek themed.

>>49976753
If people didn't like Partners the first time around (hint: they wont) then it's rather unlikely (hint: never again) they will make more Partner commanders.

>>49976756

You could even get cards with something like Staff of Nin. Ludevic is at least more varied with his means of drawing cards, suppose.

>>49976474
>Blue Creature Swap seems REALLY strong for its CMC.

You do realize that's a reprint, right?

>>49976556
more like
>Cast Wanderer
>Cascade into a <8cmc spell with Split-Second and a mass land untap
>Cascade into Sorcerer
>Cascade into Deny Reality
>Cascade into Bloodbraid Elf
>Cascade into Shardless Agent
>Cascade into Deny Reality
>Bounce Wanderer
>Recast Wanderer
>Cascade into Remnant, Bituminous Blast, and Mind's Desire
>Cascade into two more spells
>Cast your entire deck
>Guttersnipe does the rest

>>49976808
Yeah. I mean, he's not AMAZING, but I do think people are more down in him than he deserves since he was such a hyped up character. I actually think hes probably one of the better partners which I suppose speaks at the power level more than Ludevic being a good card.

>>49976798
So in short, normies ruined something again.

>>49976694
>Insurrection is blue now
>Card is a reprint from Stronghold

18+

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>>49976756


>to draw en extra card each turn

By each turn, you mean your turns, right?

I'm trying really hard to see how this card could be decent, but as I'm reading it, best case scenario you draw an extra card on YOUR turn if you deal damage to someone, and your opponents get to draw an extra card at THEIR turns, as long as they don't attack you.

You'll never draw multiple cards like you do with Edric. Or draw one card at each player's turn, like pic related.

Even Jori En feels more reliable and efficient than that.

>>49976721
>>49976714
Hell, it even got a reprint in last year's Commander product. It was in Mizzix's deck.

Anyone know of a decent Not Red combination for Exalted.dec? Both WB commanders are anti synergistic with exalted, the WG one is also a nonbo.

Am I stuck playing Birb Monk and Golgari counters guy?

>>49976796
RW giants was a fucking cool tribe back in Lorwyn. Way more neat than flood the board with shit like the rest of the tribes.

>>49976840

He's definitely one of the better ones. I think the shirtless W/B dude is a decent partner, and the G/U lady has potential too. Running R/U W/B with Ludevic and guy who gives you creatures from your graveyard might not be an awful combo.

Some of the others look okay as part of the 99. R/W lady and U/B dude seem like they'll be nice in the artifact commander's deck.

>>49976760
Theros sold really, really well, enough so that it's probably not coincidence that we're about to get an Egyptian myth inspired block next.

>>49976796
>This baffles me almost as much as the whole "RW Giants" thing they keep fucking pushing.
Giants generally come in red or white, and they were a RW tribe on Lorwyn. It's not really something they're only "pushing" now, any more than they're pushing, I don't know, red elementals maybe? Do you not like RW giants? Why not? Personally, I kinda like them. Even though RW has a problem with getting enough mana to cast the big fuckers, they suit the colors pretty well.
Maybe post-Kaladesh they'll pivot and make Dwarves a R/W thing.

>>49976855
It is a Temple Bell with some minor politics, essentially.

People fucking love Temple Bells and Howling Mines in EDH.

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>>49976691
Alara's okay, only because it makes sense for the multicolor they're going for and it's a plane that hasn't re-visited in about a decade

But holy shit I hate how afraid they are of Kamigawa and Lorwyn

They're two of the most flavorful planes in Magic history and absolutely teeming with possible good legends. And all we've gotten lately is, what, Gwynen Gilt Leaf Daien and Kaseto?

Instead we get more GENERIC THEROS GOD FOLLOWER and SOME DUDE FROM A RAVNICA GUILD

My LGS is selling a cheap FTV: Lore.

Should i grab it, is there anything worthwhile in there?

Its $50 online but my LGS is selling it for $28

Should i just rip it open and enjoy the cards or save it for the future?

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>>49976867
>Anyone know of a decent Not Red combination for Exalted.dec?
You can't be serious.

>>49976827
You forgot
>Finish someone off with a Grapeshot

>>49976659
Grahams Number

>>49976898
>>49976760
I fucking love Theros fluff. I don't care how many people are lambaste it for being too pop culturey.

Minotaurs were absurdly cruel cannibal things rather than boring cow people for once. We had labyrinths and hero's journeys and the gods coming down to earth.

And I love how bright the basic lands look.

>>49976916
Dark Depths and Jitte are the money cards, look at the list of the contents and decide if you're interested. 28 bucks is pretty great though. Don't expect it to appreciate a ton in value though.

>>49976916
Yes get it. It's a steal at that price. Jitte alone makes it worth it.

>>49976918
They're looking for the whole four-color shebang for some reason.

>>49976918
He wants black in it for the demon, that's why he said Not Red
he meant "everything but red"

>>49976916
Jitte.

>>49976855
>By each turn, you mean your turns, right?er, yeah. I don't believe that's a downside nor do I think there was any misinterpretation or implications that I thought otherwise.

Also I think Jori en is fine too. Main difference is Jori en requires you to keep dueling her since she triggers off spells being cast, whereas ludevic's engine would be creature attacks which stick around to keep doing it every turn. But in exchange she gets to so it during opponent ts turns too, yes.

Getting a free card every one of tour turns is just fine. Its not great. But it's fine. Think of it like phyrexian arena. You have to fuel it unlike arena, and its a creature so le dies to removal but whatever, in the deck you're playing him you should get one draw before he dies the turn you play him and you're in blue for counters. I'm not saying the card is amazing. I just think it's getting way too much flak. People are talking like it's the disappointment of the set which in a sense I suppose he is since he did not meet anybody's expectations of what a Ludevic card would do. But I still feel hes at a good enough power level.

>>49976916
Wut

Get it. The jitte is worth it alone

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>v1.0 almost ready
>4 cards left to cut

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>>49976918
I guess I should've phrased it like "Not-red".

I like these guys. I like these guys a lot, okay?

>>49976898
>Theros sold really, really well

I wonder how much Thoughtsieze was the reason for that.

>>49976912
The fact they went with a Theros giant last year for enemies and that the goblin this year is a Tarkir goblin got my fucking goat. The other three Tarkir partners? Whatever I guess.

Lorwyn makes no sense to me since people fucking adored it, but they shy away from Kamigawa for anything other than lore because it was apparently the first set they had when market research started and it had a super negative response... TO THE MECHANICS.

So I get it for Kamigawa, even if it's fucking dumb Hasbro shit. But Lorwyn? Not at all. Red white, green white, blue white even black blue. All Lorwyn or Shadowmoor related stuff that could have worked.

Something tells me they're scared shitless of telling us what's happened since the block ended because they have no fucking idea themselves.

>>49976981
Oh and I should add another reason they don't want to say hi to Lorwyn is because the only planeswalker to interract with it was Nissa 'I don't have any interesting planar stories' Revane(I love her but god damn it why only Zendikar).

>>49976981
People didn't like Lorwyn. And Kamigawa for fluff reasons.

People like us, nerds liked it a lot. Teenage boys, the primary audience of the game found Lorwyn not badass enough and Kamigawa just weird.

>>49976886
>>49976898
I'm well aware there were RW giants in Lorwyn, it's just that RW giants really isn't something that works because:
1. Giants are expensive creatures, thus late game creatures. That means you wanna get to the late game, but RW's weakness is literally the late game.
2. Giant tribal is as bad an idea as angel or dragon tribal. I know they've tried those too and it didn't work either.

RW is just a color that can pull off giants tribal. And most of all, I'm just salty about the entirety of Kalemne and her fucking terrible deck.

>>49976896
Personal I don't see what people see in Ravos. The anthem is almost meaningless in commander and a raise dead every turn seems kind of meh for 5 mana. I think Tymna is probably better than him for the same reason I generally think Ludevic is pretty okay and she gets card advantage faster than ravos and will get more over the course of a game since she comes down earlier.

>>49974873
Shut your whore mouth.

>>49977033

I think Ravos is nice to partner with Ludevic because he constantly brings back your evasive dudes to keep Ludevic on (and makes them a little stronger too, if you go wide).

>>49976967
If I were you, I would just run whatever nets you those 4 colors, and just tutor for Witch-Maw every game. Seriously.

Wait until tomorrow to see what else we get I suppose

>>49976912
I wish they did something with Lorwyn again but Wizards don't give much of a second look to anything that wasn't wildly well received.

I totally see the reason why Lorewyn wasn't so hot. Decks were pretty boring (tribal or bust) drafting it more then a few times got really stale (again tribal or bust) and with the tribal-heavy synergies causing complicated board states and interactions, it scared/put off a lot of newer/not as experiance/casual players. I could be wrong but I think Wizards started their NWO after that.

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>Everywhere I see people are wanting to make Atraxa Super Friends
>They don't understand the power of voltron Atraxa

SUNBURST EQUIPMENT
CHARGE COUNTER EQUIPMENT
PIC RELATED

Sure it'll suck but it'll be more fun than planeswalker.dec (feat. goodstuff)

>>49976973
Among casuals, too, if I'm not mistaken. It makes sense: "it's inspired by Greek myths" is a smidge more accessible than most Magic settings. Not everybody knows what "Gothic horror" is, even if you give them a few examples, but everybody and their cousin knows about Zeus and shit.

>>49977026
I don't know if you bought and played it, but I did, and Kalemne was surprisingly good. Not Meren, no, but surprisingly good.

>>49977026
Kalemna gets way too much shit. Yes she's a combat dude but to be fair WR never had a dedicated Voltron general and she is if nothing else an efficient dude. I've always thought of her as a Rafiq in shitty colors. I also thought her deck was pretty neat too since it has worn powerstone and blade of Selves. The concept behind her deck in general was fuck g stupid though I agree. Kalemna would be a lot better if her XP counter text wasn't basically just trinket text about how they want you to play giant tribal with her.

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>>49977026
But people still loved it. That's the thing about lots of tribal decks, your vision for how the decks is often more important than how it actually does.

Favor of the Mighty really fucking hits the timmy/johnny sweet spot. And your "lord" being a fuck huge Sunrise Sovereign who pumps not just by 1 like every other piddly lord, but 2? Crazy.

I know, I know. It sucks in practice, but I completely understand the appeal.

>>49977071
90% of the new commanders are gonna be goodstuff.dec Especially the Partners.

>>49977063
It seems like I'm gonna end up having to run Birbmonk and either this Golgari dude or the other one.

Which sucks. Oh well. And yeah, witch works well with Exalted.

>>49977092
>tfw can't play Favor of the Mighty in EDH because some cocksucker is always running Eldrazi Titans
God, I hate those big bloated fucks so much, gameplay wise. Channel+Fireball's the best thing to happen to 'em.

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>>49977095

What fun is that? What's wrong with people?

>>49977110
Or getting mooned, as the case may be.

>>49977071
I don't understand how people even like playing with planeswalkers to begin with. Worst card type in the game desu since there's so little interaction with them, and decks with high synergy are the most fun.

Proliferate is one of the only mechanics in the game that does interact with them, and there are still dozens of other cards with counters I'd still rather play.

Just got done playtesting a proxy moustache man+artifact man deck.

People are seriously missing how consistent well built life partner decks are going to be. Having a large moderate amount of low-cmc text in the command zone backed by four colors gives ridiculous potential.

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This is objectively the best Partner duo. And it sucks.

>>49977123
>there's so little interaction with them

Literally any direct damage spell or creature is considered interaction with them.

>>49977095
>>49977119
Yeah you can only play the best cards in your color so much, playing with some less optimal cards because they're cool and you can/want to is a great aspect of commander, espically now since we have access to 4 colors.

I haven't started on a list but I wanted to make fungus tribal with atraxa, inspired by the anon that made fungus tribal with meren

>>49977119
Why blame us? Blame Wizards for making 15 (13, I know we still got 2 more but cmon are you really expecting anything good?) shitty commanders that are underpowered, have no synergy and can barely be built around.

>>49977130
I fucking love low CMC generals. I don't think I've built a general that was more than CMC4 in ages.

This honestly is a great

>>49977146
If you turn 3 vial Smasher turn 4 ludevic, do you get the draw? That's pretty sweet if you do. Personally I like kondo and Tymna which has a similar synergy.

>>49977085
>>49977090
Kalemne is just a shitty Aurelia. Yes, Aurelia's six, but Aurelia has everything Kalemne has and way, way more. I have yet to hear a single reason to run her over Aurelia.

>>49977176
... duh. Are you not even thinking for a fucking second?

>>49977146

i havent even looked at all the partners but im 100% sure this is objectively not the best

any partner combo with ludevic is going to be bottom of the barrel

>>49977157
Sorry, I meant in deckbuilding with PWers not in dealing with your opponents' PWers

Synergy

>>49977182
Being four mana and not six is kind of a reason.

>>49977163
Bull fucking shit desu senpai. Try playing with the cards. Its a mechanic that looks stupid at first, but you have to build it and play it it to see what it can do.

Currently brewing a grixis Ludwig + vial deck that is basically a blend of neku and Kami of the crescent moon.

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>>49977199
Oh. That's fair. Planeswalkers are sort of fun to build around with individual planeswalkers, but there's not a lot that cares about the card type as a whole.

Did you know that the shitty Support mechanic in Oath of the Gatewatch originally could also put Loyalty counters on planeswalkers? Development cut that part of it, making the most boring mechanic of all time and people blame Maro for it.

I just like the flavor of "planeswalker matters" for Oath, but we lost a lot of it.

One nice thing about planeswalkers for me is stuff like Tamanoa, that specifies noncreature so it counts planeswalkers as well.

>>49977253
Look kids, it's the WotC Anti-Defamation League!

>>49977182
Anon, "surprisingly good" does not mean "the best ever." It might even, depending on context, mean "kinda bad." But it does not mean, in THIS context, "the best RW commander ever printed in the history of Magic the Gathering," and I would not claim that.

>>49977281
Look kids, people have different opinions!

>>49977277
Probably because "planeswalker matters" would absolutely blow for limited.
The Oaths were bad enough, I just feel bad for anybody who pulled Summon the Gatewatch at Eldritch Moon.
>Did you draft any 'walkers? You didn't? Sorry, Anon faggot, you get a useless rare. Maybe check for Thermo-Alchemists? This pack might not be a total loss for you.

>>49977310
But that's the thing, though; I wanted those commanders to incentivise new decks to build, not just more of the same shit.

I do like Akiri, since she's basically that equipment voltron commander I've been expecting for years now, but I'm sure she'll be mediocre too.

>>49977358
But Support was already fine for limited, because it hit creatures. It was gonna do BOTH, man.

Oh well. I definitely had that Summon the Gatewatch thing happen in Moon a lot. And Call in BFZ.

>>49976145
Two or three color planeswalker commanders.

Tribal commanders.

Four-color commanders done correctly.

More partner commanders.

Build-a-commanders.

>>49977146
>best
That's not how you spell worst.

>>49977408
>Akiri
>not Kalemne

For 2 more mana, you get 3 power, double strike, and permanent boosts when you cast shit like Sun Titan and Stonehewer Giant.

>>49977408
Akiri is nowhere near good enough. I mean I think that's what they were going for she gets big way too slowly and also doesn't do anything else when Voltronish isn't an option like Karlov does. For example, who gets big really fast and has the exile ability as back up when attacking isn't prudent in multiplayer.

It really burns my fucking bacon that akiri and Karlov came out in similar releases. They're like night and day.

>>49977408
Well, you have Gisela for symmetrical damage effects and prevention decks. So, you could do like a pillow fort deck that wins with Pyrohemia.

Anax and Cymede have heroic to build around, so auras and buyback spells and whatnot.

Basandra has combat control and making people attack into your Lightmine Fields.

Brion is fling.dec with high power stuff, like a bad Xenagos.

Depala has nonsense tribal, but draws cards and artifacts.

And I've seen Tajic used in Obliterate.dec, so decks with buttloads of MLD and mass destruction, sort of stax variants.

People shit on Boros generals all the time and I'll admit, the power level isn't quite strong enough for 4 man pods of the typical durdle or combo fest that EDH is. But I wish people would stop saying it only does the same shit.

>>49977414
>I definitely had that Summon the Gatewatch thing happen in Moon a lot. And Call in BFZ.
If you're being sarcastic, that's not really what I cared about. It was a case of putting things at higher rarities for price reasons, not for limited balance.
Would Summon the Gatewatch be a bomb in limited? Sure, if the guy already pulled a planeswalker, which is a bomb is its own right. Would it have been a bomb if he didn't have a walker? Fuck no. So why rare or mythic rare? If it wasn't for price reasons, I'm honestly at a loss.

What color combination fits a doctor theme? I was thinking maybe the new UWGR commander would fit, but I was also thinking something maybe Bant would work?

>>49977545
A medical doctor is UG by default. The rest is up to motivations and stuff.

>>49977545
what kind of doctor?

Mad Scientist: UR
Creative Biologist: UG
Scary Doctor: Nin Pain Artist

>>49977545
Usually Bant, but it can include black

>>49977523
>Common
Eats up WAY too many slots in the draft.
>Uncommon
Eats up too many slots in the draft.
>Rare
Might eat up a slot or two in the draft, which is too many.
>Mythic
Well now it's mostly irrelevant for limited (though it still eats too many slots) but you've angered anyone who wanted a good mythic and opened one of these fuckers.

Basically, don't print planeswalkers-matter cards unless they do something else. The Oaths are proof that this works.

>>49977466
> not playing akiri+moustache equipment.
> not playing akiri + k ruphix clues/eggs and threatening commander damage kills even if they stop your sunrise shenanigans.

>>49977461
>>49977466
I did not mean to say she was good, just that she's actually letting me make a different fucking RW if I wanted to. I won't, since I don't hate myself enough

>>49977473
>Gisela
>Pillowfort
Gisela is just Aurelia 1.0, honestly

>Basandra
God, how did I try to get her to work. He ability is so irrelevant and she turns off all combat tricks for some reason, why do you exist, Basandra

>Brion
Cool dude, not enough support though, honestly. I like how janky he is but meh.

>Depala
There's like 3 cards total she can draw you, good luck.

>Tajic
I'd rather play Zurgo.

People say that Boros does the same shit because it does; all of these legends are focused on tapping and hitting people for lots of damage. Even fucking Brion does that. Boros' problem isn't just the card advantage problem, it's that it has NOTHING to do but attack. That gets old really fast, specially when you know from the start that you're not gonna win unless everyone lets you because you're playing hellbent 99% of the time.