Horus Heresy General /hhg/

>>49966768
F-f-free chainaxes???

>>49966768
I'll take 8. Or maybe 80.

>>49966768
Aight lads, here's the deal.
Destroyer squads now cost 100pts, not 150. If we all follow this house rule then all will be fine.

Now. What about assault cannons? We all know they are way too good, so what do?

>>49966849

>we

Why are assault cannons too good? The blood angel meme list is precisely as it seems, an ineffective meme.

>>49966832
Those don't come with the giant flamers.

Paint my Imperial Fist Vet shoulders bronze, yay or nay?

>>49966768
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-BE/blog/blog.jsp?_requestid=9958593

>>49966872
Whole pad or the trim around it?

>>49966872
Paint em gold, Dorn style

But seriously I think a dark-ish bronze would contrast the yellow quite nicely

>>49966892
Pad itself, to denote veterancy in the Chapter

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>>49966832

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>>49966872
Absolutely yes! Use some KA-pattern silver and some hazard stripes

>>49966832
Who ever thought they WEREN'T free?

>>49966832
>>49967012

>daily reminder that there are people in this thread who think chainaxes shouldn't be free

Disgusting desu, I don't even play WE

>>49967012
(You)

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>>49967201
>Tfw this shit has been around since HH1 and HH7 cannot be released until (We) solve it

>>49967201
Strange, I got told completely differently when I emailed them

After asking re. Legiones Astartes in the last thread and getting good feedback, I've made my plans.
I am planning to start Mechanicum first and then supplement them with either Iron Hands or Iron Warriors (Partly because I love Thallax and partly to put off the decision on which to use.) Planning on using either Decima or Anacharis Scoria as my Warlord depending on how high-points the game is.
So, what units are a given for Mechanicum?
Was thinking two Thallax units at least, and maybe one or two Castellax to bodyguard my Warlord and prevent them from being Swept in melee as neither are fearless.
Does Scoria have a model for him or his Homonculex robot buddy? Cant find one. If not I might get the Abeyant and make it more darkmech with some Soul Grinder legs or similar.
Does using Scoria affect my capabilities to ally in Legiones troops if I decide to go Iron Hands for allies rather than Traitors like IW?

>>49967463

What force are you running? Cybernetica, Ordo Reductor, or Taghmata?

Scoria doesn't have a model yet, but one is in the works.

>>49967337
And I was told Power Daggers are S:D AP1 when I emailed FW, very strange.

>>49967463
>Partly because I love Thallax and partly to put off the decision on which to use.)
Yeah, feels like this
>So, what units are a given for Mechanicum?
You can't gi wrong with some Castellax and Triaros, but check the wiki for more info regarding your battle plan. Anacharis and Caleb are polar opposites.
>Was thinking two Thallax units at least, and maybe one or two Castellax to bodyguard my Warlord and prevent them from being Swept in melee as neither are fearless.
Decima cannot join Battle automata, he lacks Patris Cibernetica

>>49967635
>Power Daggers are S:D AP1
Allright! Backstabbing Imperial Knights sanctioned.

Which legion has Battletoads?

>>49967527
Ideally Taghmata although while I still have a small force Reductor with Decima would possibly work better to buff my Thallax.
Primary plan is to get a generic Magos and use him as Decima until I get enough stuff to properly support Scoria.

Not terribly interested in the giant stompy robots like the Thanatar, more the shock trooper types and the tanks.

>>49967664
OK, possibly two units of Thallax and a Magos of some kind to start with.
Guess I need to find a different squad for Decima to get within 18" with.

>>49967635
Yeah, well they told ME that any model armed with a flame weapon is immune to poison and fleshbane.

>>49967763
Fuck you my dad's an adeptus arbites he can totally beat up your dad

>>49967758
>Guess I need to find a different squad for Decima to get within 18" with.
Decima buffs a single Heavy/Ordnance weapon. Try upgrading him to Invictus for Relentlessly spitting 2D6 Haywire shots...so, like 3.9 guaranteed removed HP. And he has a Macrocarid DT for himself. Just saying. And has access to three different retinues (two of them similar, all three suck).
>>49967763
Nigga, that's Alpharius.

>>49967758
>more the shock trooper types and the tanks.
That's the Reductor's bussiness, using Thallax and scoring tanks along with disposable Medusae

>>49966849
I like where you're going with Destroyers, but it's not quite enough.

I'm thinking packs for 50 as well.

I want their pistols to have radphage, but not give them Lucifex pistols. Maybe Poisoned 4+ like another suggested?

I also like the idea of chem munitions for flamers, but who would ever take those over rad missiles?

Okay so I have 15 un modeled mk ii marines, and will have 120 mk iii marines soon.
Do you think I should make those mk ii's sgt.s in my next army? It makes sense, a little, as they are the oldest armor sets, but since mk iii being just mk ii with extra protections why would a whole squad have extra protection while the sgt. doesn't?
Or should I just use them for my flamer tac support squads and then paint them with burnt armor?

>>49967463
Scoria is Dark Mech, which means that you'd have to use traitors to ally with him.

>>49967958
>Maybe Poisoned 4+ like another suggested?
That was a joke! It would make them the same as bolt pistols but worthy against Mechanicum in which case you'd still be better off using sniper vets.
Chem munitions sound fine.
>>49968098
You realize traitor IHs and loyal IWs are a thing, right?

>>49967463
>>49967758
>>49968098
Adding on to this, Caleb is loyalist only, while Scoria is traitor only.

>>49967959
Why not make them veteran squads?

>>49968140
Yes. All I said was that ge was traitor only?

>>49968173
Ok, but stop betraying me anon-kun :^v

>>49968173
I am making the regular SW boxes mixed lightly with a mk iv box as my two veteran squads- the SW box has a fucking TON of gold lineage to paint, and an equal amount of wolf symbols to help designate vets.

>>49968255
What do you like about the Death Guard?

>>49968255
Why not get five more and use them as two tac squads for an allied detachment or a new army then?

>>49967201
are people still to this day getting salty over this?
free chainaxes are literally the only advantage WE get over other melee legions, we have shit unique weapons and a primarch that adds so little to his legion you might as well take a fellblade

>>49968278
In general? They are a fighting force of well rounded, infantry and terminator units, with little regard for specialized units- or in short, exactly like how I play any army.

>>49966885
When did 30k become the game of Xboxhuge superheavies? I came here from 40k to escape all that

>>49968173
>>49967913
>>49968140

OK, some reading later I think that Reductor would be almost perfect if not for the lack of allies or Scoria, and I can get around that by not using Matrix of Ruin and adding in allied detachments of Taghmata with Scoria and some Castellaxi, I think. Won't be worrying about that for a while, anyway.
For a starting army I was thinking 2 Thallax cohorts with Phase-Plasma, and a Magos Reductor w/ Abeyant and some Scyllax for him to hang out with, and gear them for melee while the Thallax pick at things at range. Good thing about Mechanicum being so expensive pointswise is that should be decent for v. low points games.
Then probably add some Phosphex Medusae to bombard anything I dont like the look of.
Sound any good? I fully expect to not know what I'm doing in the slightest.

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What kind of units are fluffy for a Thousand Sons army?

>>49968537
drop pods
allowing for multiple, simultaneous, and devastating defensive deep strikes

>>49968528
Rejoice. Reductor Medusae have both Phosphex and regular shells base. A little list like that can still do lots of damage.
>>49968576
THE PRINCIPIA BELLICOSA NAMES THIS MANEUVER STEAL REHN.

>>49968510
That's not a Super Heavy tank though, it's essentially the Mechanicum equivalent of the Landraider, nothing more.

Fluffing and crunching out my Lost Legion for shits and giggles and also because I'm a faggot. I would never deign to use these rules on tabletop, it's more just a fun little writing project for myself. When I model the army for tabletop (which I do intend on) they'll just be Blackshield Outlanders, but I'm just trying to get some unique flavour here.

Ursus-Pattern Power Axe
S-User AP-2, Melee, Shred, Unwieldy

Was thinking of adding two-handed or specialist weapon as well.

>>49968903
with specialist it's not OP.

>>49968903
>Ursus-Pattern Power Axe
>S-User AP-2, Melee, Shred, Unwieldy
>Was thinking of adding two-handed or specialist weapon as well.
Better than Excoriator axes, worse than UM Legatines. You aren't as faggot as you think, anon.

>>49968903
What about the axe gives it shred and removes +1S? It's just a bit bland, like you're forcing a change just so it's unique.

>>49968957
The idea is that they're patterned after the fieldcraft axes of the frontiersmen of the Primarch's parent culture. One of the versions of rules I designed for the weapon confers Monster Hunter on the bearer. It was something like S:+1 AP:2, Melee, Specialist Weapon, Monster Hunter

>>49969000
What's a frontiersman axe, anon? I think I could give you all manner of entrenching weapons

>>49968947
That's the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me.

I'm currently writing a legion profile in as close to the style of a Forge World Horus Heresy book Legion profile as I can, I would actually advise waiting to pass judgment on my faggotry until I start posting it here. Like with the rules for an Ursus Axe, I tried to avoid extravagant Gary Stu faggotry as much as possible, but who knows, that may be a futile effort on a project like this.

>>49968648
If I give my Scyllax frag grenades (which seems almost mandatory anyway) could I then phosphex-bomb a unit I am charging and then charge through the fire so that I hit first in the assault? My knowledge of the difficult terrain rules are a bit shoddy.
Also, wow those artillery batteries give a lot of options. That will help vary my lists a lot while I still have few models.

>>49968510
Most things FW produce are basically 40k but bigger.

>>49968510
>Doesn't know about Flare Shield Spartans....

>>49969027
A stupid thing I invented that probably wouldn't work IRL. It's supposed to be an axe that "with which a mortal man could eke out an existence on even the most savage Xenos ecosystem" (a quote pulled from my fluff).

I envision them as a bearded axe with little hunting knife serrations here and there. Hammerhead on the off-side.

>>49968510
Its been that since forever, the heresy started with bigger games closer to apocalypse than normal games and still the heresy tends to be better at larger games.

>>49968736
And my asshole unclenches

>>49969051
>My knowledge of the difficult terrain rules are a bit shoddy.
So are mine it seems, I though it was the unit charging through Dangerous terrain the ones who suffered the Initiative penalty, not the units being charged while standing on it.
Also, the Walkers in Ruin basically have Move Through Cover (Ruins, trenches, Minefields, Razor wire).
You can also start combat with a Breaching Charge, a power fist in a satchel.

>>49969083
I get home, then I attend this.

>>49969188
It is, but I would imagine if a pie-plate of difficult/dangerous terrain appeared beneath someone they would probably count as having moved through it.
It would make sense, at least.
If now, still taking 2 - 4 Medusae because space white phosphorus is perfect for ironically killing my friend's death guard.

>>49969280
If *not* I meant. So, are min squads of Thallax actually capable of killing anything or are they just agile annoyances?

>>49969280
Only the unit of which models had to move through terrain whilst charging recieves the initiative penalty (unless the unit that it charges is already locked in combat from the previous turn)

Do keep in mind that Death Guard always get a 4+ FnP against phospex now, because it has the Poison rule.

>>49969280
I don't think they count as having moved through it 2dh.
>white phosphorus is perfect for ironically killing my friend's death guard.
You know DG get a FnP 4+ against poison, right? It's like phosphex melted their power armours and they still got a 4+ save from their Barbaran abs. DG termies can wade through phosphex: 5/24th chance of actually suffering a wound (Cataphractii).
>>49969304
I don't think Thallax pump out enough hurt either in melee or at range. Maybe Destructor (Tank Hunters) with Meltabombs. Maaaaaybe.
They can Jump shoot jump

>>49969433
>>49969359
Well, neither of those things are good. Would probably just use the regular rounds then, perhaps buffed by Master of Destruction for big things.
Ursarax might also be nice for dedicated assault units, and possibly a couple of the Castellax bots, but probably going to be mostly the tanks and artillery.
That at least is good if I ally IW in, as a big squad of 3+ saves should handle my heavy infantry and anti-infantry needs nicely.

>>49969154
You better re-clench it, see that thing on the top? 24" S6 AP3 Heavy 3, Pinning.
See those two on the front? Template S4 AP3 Heavy 1, Fleshbane, Rad-phage, Torrent.
Torrent only has a 12" range + 8" length of template? Explorator Augury Web, which confers Scout.

That thing is going to tear open your asshole and shoot hot liquids all over your MEQ blobs until you pass out.

>>49969280
>>49969188
A unit charging through difficult terrain without assault grenades strikes at I:1. Representing the longer exposure time to enemy fire (moving slowly through he brush or ruins) Assault grenades force the enemy into cover allowing you to close more easily.

I can't remember the exact page in the RB. But terminators don't have assault grenades, that's why they use the frag assault launchers on LRR/C's .

>>49969556
What? No. What? Where does that info come from? For Christ's sake, why does Mechanicum have to have AP3 everything?

>>49969556
>You better re-clench it,
Phrase of the Day.

>>49969556

It's decent, but expensive.

>>49969657

Because it's the only thing that is relevant against marines.

>>49969657
It's already a unit in the Taghmata book, where it essentially functions as "Build your own steampunk Land Raider". That particular build is 245 pts, IIRC, but you can also give it Flare Shields, Armoured ceramite and a variety of other *fun* toys.
As for your second question, because everyone else has 3+ everything and any decent magos can Know Thine Enemy well enough to know that.

>>49969743

Well, with the Augury Web, it's 285.

>>49968383
>are people still getting salty over this?
> immediately proceeds to pour salt

>>49969657
I-Rad Cleansers on the front, Mauler Bolt Cannon on top. Indeed both AP3, quite deadly, but expensive.

>>49968383
its a meme

>>49969781
>>49969714
>>49969657
Also as far as I can tell, it's not an assault transport, and cant be used by Legion allies, so the Mechanicum has a dearth of units worth putting in the thing.
Maybe a blob of Tech-thralls to dump on an objective or some Vorax to drop more fleshbane templates then charge next turn, but anything scary will cost at least 200 pts on top of that.

>>49969904
Techpriest auxilia with flame servitors, drive up, get out and BBQ em.

Guys how do we fix Custodes?

>>49970001
The 30k rules are pretty fine.

>>49970001
A P 2

>>49970001

Wait until the full Talon's of the Emperor list is out before worrying?

>>49970001
We wait for the Emperor.

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>>49969805
>>49969556
>>49966885
Wait a second
>Sponson-mounted Irradiation Engines
>Chin mounted, extra limited traverse
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>49970055
>Not worrying now and forever
Anon what's wrong with you? Where has your passion gone to?

>>49970001
Repeated volleys of hot plasma to the face should to the trick.

>>49970015
A gal vordak dark martyr charging with a power fist can solo a guardian spear squad...

So why does Leman Russ have Drach'nyen and why didn't he fall to Chaos like that faggot Fulgrim did?

>>49970129
To be fair, they have torrent, so their arc of fire is a tad better than regular template weapons.

>>49970203
>implying he didn't

>>49970195
How so?

>>49970203
Because he doesn't. The swords just happens to look similiar. Unless we're going to see one hell of a retconn compared to which the backlash against the ending of Praetor of Dron pales.

There also used to be Blizzard fanboys complaining that Lemon Russ' sword looked too much like that of the Lich King, and proclaimed that Blizz should sue GW over it.

>>49970203
But he is in the eye of terror, he fled to the eye after the heresy! You know who else did that? HERETICS!.

>>49970286

>ending of Praetor pales

You mean how it either means

a)the AL civil war makes no sense if it's just Omegon running the show

or

B) alpharius is going to come back as a psychic gestalt in his own legionnaires and fight Omegon that way

Wouldn't even have to change his rules for B

>>49970203
>mfw even mere rumours are causing insane butthurt

You fags better prepare your shitpost folders, for an inferno is coming like no other

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>>49970387
>that pun

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>>49969083
>It's supposed to be an axe that "with which a mortal man could eke out an existence on even the most savage Xenos ecosystem"
This tells me nothing beyond "ded choppy", anon.
>I envision them as a bearded axe with little hunting knife serrations here and there. Hammerhead on the off-side.
>>49970286
>Because he doesn't. The swords just happens to look similiar.
This. I've been spamming Black Blade to no end to make you guys understand Drach'nyen is no regular daemonic weapon.
>Unless we're going to see one hell of a retconn compared to which the backlash against the ending of Praetor of Dron pales.
Despair...but also an erection.

>>49970195
>this one unit, available to two legions only, hard-counters Thing in this one handpicked situation, therefore Thing is useless
Stop that.

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>>49970387
Spider God, grant us mercy.

>>49970282
Dark Martyr has an artificer save, and 5 s10 power fist attacks.

Guardians Custodes are only ap3 when charged.

>>49970492
And a Daemonic 5++ too.

>>49970492
Whats the I and WS?

>>49970519
WS 5 and I5 and same for the rest of the squad.
Also ANY terminator squad with pfists or better will destroy Guardian Custodes.

>>49970519
>Powerfist duh. I'm an idiot.
So he's I 1 on the charge with a 2+ save vs
10 attacks at WS:5 S:5 he probably won't survive.

>>49970545
So the Emperor's golden boys' weakness is a proper fisting you say ? :^)

>>49970549
10 attacks that hit on a 4, then wound on a 4?
He is definitively gonna survive.

>>49970545
Provided they charge the Custodes.
Also T:5 vs S:* they won't get insta gibbed by the PF terminators.

>>49970492
I like how 4+ to hit on 5 attacks means 3 hits.

>>49970564
Anything with a 2 up save that charges them is their weakness.

>>49970549
The rest of the Vorbak are T5 W2 with a 5++ due to being daemons, so the Martyr, who has 3W won't be alone. They are also Stubborn Ld9-8.
Duh, you're an idiot.

>>49970587
That's the weakness of very 2+ save squad in the game getting charged by something equivalent.
If two 10 man terminator squads are in combat all equally equipped the charging squad wins (most of the time)

I'm not saying the custodes are good they are very meh. I'd have to do a bunch of math to figure out whats better.

>>49970595
Not that anon, but the original claim was the matyr soloing an entire squad. Impiles he wouldn't have back up.

>>49970570
Don't forget Custodes can be overrun kek.

>>49970195
and a guardian spear squad charging in can kill gal vorbak while also being troops choices

pro-tip: don't get charged

>>49970643
So can Gal Vorbak?
So can most things in 30k?
ATSKNF isn't around.

>>49970623
>That's the weakness of very 2+ save squad in the game getting charged by something equivalent.
Not AL Counterattack Grave Wardens. You don't want to charge those fucks.
>>49970651
Could I get 30k's Custodian stats and halberd profile?

>>49970643

So can Scoria.

>>49970629
And if we are going unit-vs-unit, what we've established is that a 225 point unit can beat a 165 point one if it gets the charge.
>WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

>>49970660
Unit that takes Ld negatives from assault<<<<Stubborn

So if I take the Ironfire Rite of War then can I use Reductor artillery batteries to generate Ironfire counters and take advantage of the increased accuracy?
It states "Barrage weapons targeted at a friendly Iron Warriors unit" and Mechanicum are Sworn Brothers, meaning the IW are friendly units.
Apologies if this is something frequently asked, but I honestly have no idea how Rites of War function with allies.

>>49970451
Supposedly-and I never got the actual source for this-Russ' sword was confirmed to be "one that becomes very famous in 40k. Idk what other "famous" weapons there are

>>49970451
Ayyyy that's pretty damned close to what I had in mind.

Also, prepare to laugh, Im gonna post what I have written so far for their FW style Legion write up. Only covered basic origins so far.

>>49970668
>Could I get 30k's Custodian stats and halberd profile?
WS5, S5, A2, I4

spear (on the charging turn): S+1, AP2
every to-hit roll of 6 generates an additional attack (additional attacks cannot generate further extra attacks)

also two BS5 bolter shots before the charge, but that's not super relevant

They're not the best assault unit at 275 for five, but how they perform tilts hard depending on who is charging whom.

>>49970704
I think not because effects of a RoW don't seep into allied detachments and vice versa.

>>49970704
In short? They don't. Unless specifically stated in that Rite, the benefits of a RoW only apply to the detachment taking it. In this example, because the mechanicum units aren't part of the detachment that has the Ironfire RoW, they don't have the special rule allowing them to place or benefit from the markers.

>>49970794
So their primarch is Peregrin Took ?

No wonder they got expunged from all records :^)

>>49970623
It's not the weakness of Suzerains, because hurr durr AP2 at initiative all the time on an entire unit while costing exactly as much as butt naked Terminators

>>49970852
Ugh, sorry, posting large bodies of properly formatted text on mobile is suffering, I'm gonna wait to continue this when I'm not trying to alleviate boredom at work.

>>49970917
maybe everyone else should just get fucking gud with power axes

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>>49970754
That's like mere 0.77 wounds dealt to the Gal Vorbak, anon. I used 3.5 attacks because that includes the 1/6th chance of an extra attack times 3 attacks, so (1/6)(3)=0.5
3.5 attacks * (1/2)WS * (2/3) to wound * (2/3) of their invuln = 0.77 unsaved wounds per Auric nigger.
Unless they also gain +1 for the knife or something, which would then become 0.813 wounds
Meanwhile, the regular Gals, accounting for Rage and Rending, do
5*(1/2)*(1/3)*(1/6)+5*(1/2)*(1/6)*(2/3) = 0.416 wounds due to the fact that most of them are wielding stupid chainswords
However, the powerfist Martyr alone does
1.38 ID wounds by himself.

Those are raw numbers, you guys have fun allocating them and such

>>49970794
>Falcons Imperial
Aaaah, why didn't you say so sooner? Allow me to gift you the peregrine axe or whatever you want to name it.

>>49971077
You're a fucking hero for taking the time to read, brainstorm and sketch. Seriously can't tell you how much I appreciate your interest. Sorry I deleted what I posted, I'm having a hell of a fucking time posting what I've written via mobile, so I'm gonna wait till I get home from work. If you're still there and still interested, I'd love for you to read more.

>>49970681
>>49970595
Gal Vorbak 225 points
4 Dark Brethren
1 Dark Martyr (PF and Artificer)
WS:5 T:5 S:5 W:2 (3) A:2(3) I:5 (1)
Save 3+/5++ 2+/5++
Custodian Guard: 220 Points
WS: 5: T:5 S:5 W:2 A:2 I:4 (5)
2+5++

We've got 11 Wounds for the GV
and 8 wounds for the Custodes

8 Attacks at I:5 AP3 from the Custodes
8 Attacks at I:5 AP_ rending from the DB
3 attacks at I:1 ap 2 Instant death from the DM

Everyone Hits and Wounds on 4's at I:5 step.
>Help me with the math
Custodes would get 4.64 hits 50% hit, plus extra attack from a roll of a 6 hitting 50% with that. (8*.5=4+((8*.16)*.5)
GB get 4 hits= 8*.5
DM get 1.5 hits = 3*.5

>>49971077
Is that right for the Martyr?
WS 5 vs WS;5
3 attacks times .50 =1.5 hits needing 2's to wound
1.50 x 0.66= .99?

>>49971113
Aww you make me blush and also make me rage by outlawing namefagging, but I guess it was for the best .
Yeah, phoneposting is a bitch.
>>49971180
Sort of. The Martyr has 5 attacks on the charge, but I guess those Custodians are the ones charging. AP3 still gets past Gal armour, right into their invuln saves.

>>49971077
>0.77 unsaved wounds per Auric nigger
>0.416 wounds per demon nigger
so they're almost twice as capable as gal vorbs on the charge?

Remember these rules don't even have sergeant/character equivalents yet. They don't even have rules for the icons. Freaking out about it now, with only half the picture, feels silly.

>>49966323
Does Siege Breaker count?

>>49971154
Cont
Wounds
4.64 hits from custodes
wounding on 4,5,6
2.32 caused
GB have a 5++
2.32* .33 = .77 wounds caused
4 hits from the Dark B
2 wounds; wounding on 4,5,6 (4*.50=2)
0.34 wounds caused if no rending.

>>49971225
>>49971284
>>49971154
I'm working it from the stand point that no one got the charge, they got warp magiked into CQC.

I would say the Custodes are more likely to get a charge with M through cover.

>>49971244
They are twice as capable if they get charge not if they are the ones charging.

>>49970129
fuuuuuuuuck that looks great. I have been planning to start an IW/mechanicum force but i keep feeling like I should make it a Mechanicum/IW instead.

>>49971335
>>49971244
Most of the daemonic gifts are lost on the niggers wielding a bare knife. It's the power weapon niggers the one you should be worrying about.

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>have over 3000 points of 30k

>have 20 terminators and 60 PA marines

>still kinda want prospero burns

I have no idea what I would even make out of them

>>49971553
MOAR is what

>>49971553
Do you have breachers ?

>tfw you think 60 marines is peanuts xD

Are Myrmidon Secutors any good? I was considering making a 3 man squad with 2 plasma fusils each and just bombarding things, as I have a Macrocarid in my list being used for its reserves reroll and nothing to put in it.

>>49971553
What's the makeup of your force?

>>49966849
Assault cannons are all that great. Not bad either, but they're AP4, short-ranged, and can malfunction. Against marines they don't always work.

Incidentally, where are the heavy bolter and heavy flamer in the LA:AoD:AL book?

>>49968576
I'm actually trying to build an Alpha Legion list around this kind of stuff. One Knight and a 20 man blob plus 2 10 man squads in Rhinos for objective taking, everything else in Deep Strike. Knight is bait that's too big to ignore, when they start to come close we commence Steel Rehn.

>>49971584
Heavy bolters are Heavy 4 in 30k, you know? Just like Predator autocannons.

>>49971572

I have no breachers

>>49971583

30 tacticals, 10 seekers, 10 plasma supports, 10 Templar brethren

I don't play imperial fists

>>49971614
They are?

>>49971638
Of course not ya dummy :^)
HB and HFlamer rules are taken from the main book, as stated by almost all HH books with a weapons list at the end.

>>49971625
Tactical blob and volkite support/heavy support squad?

>>49971658

Oh fuck how many volkites are in prospero?

I'd really like to make a Sons of Horus Loyalist list with Legio Custodes allies.

Modeled after 10th company. 2 squads of 20, led by Loken with some minimal heavy support or Fire Raptor and maybe some termies. Followed by a squad or 2 of Custodes. Any fluffy way to work it? I only have the istvaan special edition trilogy. Not sure how to work it.

>>49971696
One.

Get a pack of FW calivers. 30" S6 and two shots. Not terrible.

>>49971696
Pretty sure it's just the one for the terminator sergeant. That said, there might be one stuffed into a corner of the tactical squad sprue.

>>49971625
Well, if you're playing the legion I think, you could make some other options for rewards of treason:
>iron havocs (just add shoulder heavy weapons)
>terror squad (just add volkite - NL actually look surprisingly good in Mk III)
That sort of thing.

>>49971714
Nope, just the one for the terminator sargeant.

>>49971714
There's not. Pictures of the sprues have been out for a while.

>>49971653
I'm angry now.

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>>49971786
*Exorts (You) to butchery*
You know what to do.

>>49971702
Never happend during the HH, and most certainly not after the Luna Wolves became Sons of Horus. Perhaps maybe but extremely unlikely that some custodes happend to fight near Loken during Ullanor, but that is waaay before even Lorgar had any naughty ideas.

You should feel bad about yourself.

>>49971866
How likely would a SW w/ DG heavy support be?

>>49971866
Do we know what happened to Loken after his duel with Abadabbadoo? I think the idea of the vengeful Last Luna Wolf and his coterie of loyalist hardcases coming back from being left for dead and wrecking traitor anus with a Custodes backup Contingent as a reward for their loyalty and sign of the emperor's wrath at the traitors would be badass in the extreme.

>>49971866
Aww don't on his dreams, anon. Maybe poke him a little to motivate him.
>>49971879
I bet the SW would see the DG as grim-faced dealers of death, focused on making the battlefield a graveyard more than actually doing battle. The SW tolerate them as they get shit done, and it's not like the Executioners can be picky. They'd simply wish their allies livened up a little. Also, the chems make their fur smell funny.
But hell, they can actually keep up with them when drinking. Get those DG a little tipsy with a few tankards of ambrosia and shit goes wild!
It's like they can't see walls or something.

>>49971915
Go read vengeful spirit.

>>49971915
Let's just say it's not going to happen in SoH colors.

>>49971702
In the fluff Loken never gets the chance to lead other loyalist Sons of Horus. If you can live without him, getting Custodes is still difficult to justify - but I'm willing to accept stories that stretch the fluff.

Custodes would only be present if your contingent was doing something really important. They could be there because the loyalist SoH aren't fully trusted. But I think you'd have to lose the eye symbol, and I'm not sure about using SoH rules either. Feels more like Blackshields in SoH colors.

>I know, I'll re-read the initial trilogy of the horus heresy series, that might be interesting
I'm three quarters of the way through False Gods and all I can say is, thanks a fucking lot brain.

I also found I read Dorn's lines in his text-to-speech voice, which is just spiffing.

>>49971915
>Do we know what happened to Loken after his duel with Abadabbadoo?
I know black library has a reputation for writing shit but at least read the book summaries or something.

Basically him and Iacton Qurze become knight errants where they do a bunch of pointless shit on caliban then infiltrate horus flagship placing markers all over the place for Leman Russ to follow. They get captured and most of the KEs with them get killed by possessed and Qurze gets killed by horus. Deus ex machina happens and a few of them escape.

Apparently russ will end up getting his head kicked in by horus who also killed his wolves and totally destroys his legion.

>>49972100
Sanguinius dies still wearing the Eye of Horus Lupercal, so why can't his sons do the same

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>>49972249
>Sanguinius dies still wearing the Eye of Horus Lupercal

Those are blood tears, not eyes.

>>49972249
I always thought that was a blood drop.

But I'm saying that the rest of the Imperium wouldn't trust or work with these guys if they kept their eyes of Horus. Sanguinius doesn't have that problem.

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>>49971722

>10 Scout/infiltrating tank hunting autocannons

>>49972249
That's a blood drop in a ruby heart.

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>>49972267
That is certainly the intention I assume, yes.
But that's not exactly what it looks like in all art on the Angel.

>>49972310

Don't forget steals initiative on a 4+ and preferred enemy (everything)

>>49971866
Sons of Horus turncoat fighting alongside Custodes is workable, yeah Loken might not be leading them but it's doable. I refuse to feel bad about something so kickass

>>49972100
I was meaning more about building a list off of 10th company, I wasn't really specific enough. Issue is, the heraldry is the reason I like them so much lmao

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>>49972316
The middle one looks like a reptilian pupil, but in a heart shape.

I wonder how the blade is red. And an awful lot of primarchs seem to wear gold.

>>49972358
They say in the fluff it's ALSO the Repltilian Eye of Terra. Horus wears the same, just less teardroppy

>>49972316
HE'S GOT DRACH'NYEN AS WELL

>>49971915
>with a Custodes backup Contingent as a reward for their loyalty
Custodes are not candy given out to anyone who earns enough good boy points

>>49972399
That sword is such a slut, gets its blade into all the scabbards. :D

>>49972316
>hips completely detached from torso
>appears to be tap dancing
>head under different lighting than armour
>not a single body part is to scale with any other part

I really wouldn't use that piece of "art" as a reference if I were you

>>49972406
The times, they are-a-changin'. When I first read The First Heretic I thought the Custodes Contingent there was a retarded idea (let alone ADB's OCDONUTSTEEL literally crossing off the last square in Gary Stu bingo by thieving a Guardian spear after ganking one of said custodes). These ones could be attached to the Loyalist SoH for the same reason - they aren't trusted. Or maybe The Emperor sees something precious, something that should be preserved in these loyal remnants of the arch traitors.

>>49972477
I dunno, looked more like the can-can to me.

>>49972477
I wasn't suggesting someone use it as a painting reference, it was merely the result of a handful of seconds of google searching for an image where the visual appearance of the various icons on the Angels armour was as ambiguous as possible.

>>49972406
>Custodes are not candy given out to anyone who earns enough good boy points
Sometimes the Primarchs would gift each other Honour guards of their marines to serve in their legion.
Source: help plz.

This is my very first attempt at a 30k Mechanicum/IW list. Feedback?

Ruinous brethren (2000pts)
Age of Darkness standard FOC (1215pts)
Mechanicum Ordo Reductor

Caleb Decima w/ Invictus upgrade (warlord, 220pts)

Scyllax - 4 models, frag grenades, enhanced arrays (165 pts)

2x Thallax Cohort - 3 models, 1 irad cleanser, Empyrite upgrade (155 pts each)

2x Ordo Reductor Tank Battery - 2 tanks, Medusa cannon (260 pts each)

Iron Warriors (loyalist) Allied Detachment (785 pts)

Centurion w/ Master of Signals, Artificer armour
(105 pts)

Iron Havoc Support Squad w/ 5 autocannon, Augury Scanner (190 pts)

2x Legion Tactical Squad - 20 models, Nuncio-vox and sarge has Artificer armour (245 pts each)

Decima goes with Scyllax, MoS goes with Havocs. Havoc squad hangs about close to the arty to intercept and support the advancing tac squads along with the deepstriking Thallax.

What are my glaring mistakes/mortal sins?

>>49972553
Well, for one Masters of Signals cannot fulfill compulsory HQ requierements, so they cannot be in an allied detachment.
Second, why Empyrite Thallax? Is Hardened Armour worth that much to you?

>>49972586
I just thought he couldn't be Warlord, oops.
Was planning on deepstriking the Thallax to irradiate things. I assume thats generally a poor idea then?

>>49972647
I mean, Thallax can already Deep strike because they are Jump pack units.

>>49971990
>It's like they can't see walls or something.
Most kek

Firedrakes shit on Custodes,
Prove me wrong.

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>>49972721
Were you here when we posted stuff about Mortarion ramming a Hive city with a starship?
>>49972743
I think they do. Too lazy to mathhammer that, and I don't trust others with them.

>>49972310
>infiltrating tank hunting autocannons
It's literally just like my 3.5 Havocs! I love HH!

>>49972310
>>49972794
>tfw Alpha Legion makes everything better.

saw the new plastic MK III's today, they look nice all things considered.

>>49972776
Holy. Fucking. Titties.
I bet theres a story somewhere of Russ learning about this and laughing like a motherfucker, going 'I should've thought of that'

Thats fucking genius.

>>49972679
Damn, I completely forgot they could do that as I never use JP guys in regular 40K.
OK, lets start a tad smaller because all these options are confusing the hell out of me.

Comparatively Less Explosions (800pts)
Matrix of Ruin (800pts)

Magos Dominus w/ Abeyant and Cyber-familliar (115 pts)

2x Thallax - 3 models, phase-plasma fusil.

Triaros armoured conveyer as DedTran for 1 Thallax unit (125 pts)

2xOR AT Battery - 1 tank each, medusa cannon (130 pts each)

This might be a bit simpler to get my head around.
Could swap the Triaros out for a Krios for more firepower.

>>49972862
Why do they need the Triaros, since they're Jet Pack infantry AND Relentless?

Or is the triaros that good? Legit wondering, all I know about Mechanicum is that Thallax are cool, and they have Thanatar-chan.

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>Be the best warriors in the Imperium
>Get shat on by every warrior in the Imperium

wew

I do love their design and proportions though.

>>49970244
Of course Russ didn't fall to Chaos. He is a better man than Magnus was.

>>49972893
Hey, I don't know the relative awesomeness of the Mechanicum units either, I just like artillery and think abeyants and Thallax look awesome, but I picked the Triaros so I can hide the Dominus in it if needed, although now I think about it I would probably be better off with a Kroot just to explode things.

>>49972862
>Magos Dominus
To use a Reductor army, there are two requisites:
Two units of Thallax
A Magos or Archmagos Reductor

At that little amount of points, I think flyers won't be participating, so the artillery can operate unrestricted, but at higher points you'll need to defend it from deepstrikers and flyers.

And the Mechanicum has poor-ish AA, mostly from their Fast Attack choices. Icarian Thallax also become Heavy Support.

Also, if you don't want to upgrade your Thallax, that's alright as well, it's not mandatory like a High Techno-arcana.

>>49972957
Kroot? Krios tank is what I meant, but apparently autocorrect is starting to pick up 40k words. That's interesting.

>>49972856
Makes sense. Those armoured prows are made for ramming. I wonder how big the hive was, because it sounds to me like the ship sunk into the hive completely, and it says it hit the upper parts of it. Must be a pretty big hive to be that wide even at the top.

>>49972907
>Every item of their wargear is a masterpiece of the artificer's craft
>Except that none of it is actually Master-Crafted, and only has situational AP2.
>Their will is unbreakable
>Can still be Swept.
U G H/10

>>49972907
>Get shat on by every warrior in the Imperium
Nice hyperbole.

>>49971625
Do you reckon you can you use the plastic mkIII kits from Burning of Prospero to make Templars, or do you need to pick up Despoiler squads to pose them properly?

>>49972975
OK, after some messing about, I think I finally have a legal list.

Footsore Magos (800pts)
Matrix of Ruin (800pts)

Magos Reductor w/ Abeyant and conversion Beamer (175pts)
Retinue of Tech-priest auxilia w/enginseer (65pts)

2x3 Thallax w/ Phase Plasma (145 pts)

2x1 OR artillery batteries w/ 1 tank, Medusa cannon and twin-linked bolters (135pts each)

Total 800pts.
Command squad stays at the back using two battlesmith rolls on the arty tanks if they get hit and popping shots off with the conversion beamer.

Why couldn't the 1ksons and yiffs both of been wiped out at prospero?

They're objectively the worst legions

>>49973003
Well, my small town of 85,000 is like 5 miles wide. It wouldn't have to be a HUGE hive, but definitely larger or the same relative footprint of my town.

>>49973262
this is your (you) Bait master Mc.Fuckstain

>>49973238
I ended up kitbashing my templar upgrade set with some mk4 calth marines and the arms were a bit difficult to work with. as long as you're handy with a razor knife and have some extra bits to use, like hands and left-handed pistols, you'll be fine. otherwise I'd recommend just getting the kit that FW recommends along with it.

>>49973293
Dude are you still namefagging?

This isn't reddit bud, you can drop it if you want now

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Rate my crotch and studs thereupon, /HHG/. Other greenstuff is incidental.

Apologies for the terrible lighting, it gets dark very quickly in Canada now and my work lamp is both shitty and very orange to the point that a light box just minimizes damage.

>>49973253
>Retinue of Tech-priest auxilia w/enginseer (65pts)
The retinue MUST be Reductor, but hey! They can swap the Servoarms they gain for Conversion beamers of their own, and everybody has Tank Hunters and Wrecker, including the Multimelta-wielding servitors. They lack Relentless, but Tank Hunting Multimeltas, man.

I did a bit of mathammer of my own back then. two Conversion Beamer Reductor Techpriests are very similar to Conversion Beamer Myrmidon Destroyers for their point cost.

>>49973293
>tfw an Imperial Assault Barque can roadkill a whole town and more, without even opening fire.

>>49973262
The Space Wolves were wiped out, but another group of Astartes stepped in and adopted the Legion's name, planet, and heraldry.

>>49972907
They *do* look lovely, don't they?
I'm really curious how their HQ will work; I've ordered two boxes of BoP, have two people that don't need their Custodes and I'm sure there'll be plenty of those on ebay, so infantry should be covered well enough.
Shame we need to wait until Inferno.

>>49973326
Trypophobia/10
I'm glad that response is very weak on me. Also, you can fit more studs. The crotch is the part of the armour that has to withstand lot of force, anon! Three studs are barely enough
>>49973370
>Are you looking for "Imperial Fists"?

>>49973293
>my small town of 85,000 is like 5 miles wide

At ground level. The hive in Necromunda is said to be 10 miles (or was it km?) at the base. The ship crashed into the top portions of the hive. Hives tend to be pyramid-shaped. So the hive had to be very wide to have a 3+ km wide top.

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>>49973304
Dammit. Guess I may as well get pic related alongside the Templar set and some BoP bodies for my Templar squad.

I should really just start recasting stuff like legs and arms, I'd save so much goddamned money.

>>49973321
>reddit
>have literally never posted or even visited reddit
Cute.

>>49973399
Where does it say 3km wide top in that picture? That is how wide the ship is.

>>49967959
There is a bit in one of the books about IF sergeants prefering MKII for the extra mobility it give over MKIII

>>49973293
>small town
>of 85,000
Nigga, you live in a city.

>>49973326
>Rate my crotch and studs thereupon
Nurgle/MkV

I hope you're playing Death Guard.

>>49973505
I live near the SF bay area, trust me, this is a small town. It is a bedroll town anyways, half of the working population live here just to commute to the Bay area.

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>>49973293
Hive size from necromunda, don't know how standard this is.

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Do Primaris-Lightning Strike Fighters have Astartes crew or are they human allies?

>>49973581
Astartes Crew, since BS4. SA ones have BS3.

>>49973489
>That is how wide the ship is.

And it came to rest deep within the Hive and left behind a hole into which drop pods and transports were launched. It's not like it smashed into it and protruded from the side like an arrow. It went inside deep enough to leave a hole behind it.

It's always possible the ship came in a downward angle, pierced in through the top portion of the hive and sunk into it downwards, ending its travel in lower levels.

>>49973505
>>49973533
Still, in most states the definition is either "They are the same thing" and "6k+ is a city"
>In California, the words "town" and "city" are synonymous by law
>According to the North Carolina League of Municipalities,[18] there is no legal distinction among a city, town, or village—it is a matter of preference of the local government. Some North Carolina cities have populations as small as 1,000 residents, while some towns, such as Cary, have populations of greater than 100,000.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town#United_States
I mean, sure it may not be the biggest city and certainly pales against the bigger ones, but it is a city.
>tfw my Hive has the Dark Angel's Primarch name.
>>49973489
He probably thinks a ship can only get embedded into a hive by fully inserting its lenght. I thought it was resting on top of rubble.
Also, not against namefagging, you're simply being a bit obnoxious.

>>49973602
Unless you give them servitor crews.

>>49973577
Hives are buildings that follow fairly rigid templates at the first (they stop following the template pretty quickly though), so you can count on Necromunda being relatively standard in terms of layout.
The actual orientation of the hive may change depending on the environment (existing mostly underground if that's preferable, that sort of thing), but the general idea of a hive is the same throughout the Imperium.

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>>49973581
RUN, LIVE TO FLY
FLY TO LIVE
DO OR DIE

RUN LIVE TO FLY
FLY TO LIVE
ACE HIIIIIIIIIIIIGH

>>49973658
>He probably thinks a ship can only get embedded into a hive by fully inserting its lenght.

Well, the text says the ship ends up deep into the city and leaves a hole behind it, so it does sound like the ship sunk fully into the hive deep enough to leave an opening behind it.

All power armour after Mark 2 Crusade pattern was a mistake.

>>49973658
>>49973727
Which is why I said roughly 5 miles wide- to both support the weight of a fucking 3km long starship, and incase it was embedded within a much larger hive.

>>49973708
It's probably due to similar materials and what you can do with them. Like all the pyramids around the world. There's just so much you can do with stone to make big structures. So it's possible, given the technology available, that in time hives just naturally evolved to resemble a similar basic structure purely dictated by the materials and construction methods available to the Imperium.

>>49973577
>>49973708
Dammit, I don't know how many people live in a hive city like that
>>49973755

>>49973727
I think they "great wound" refers to a hole in the AA defense system through which the drop pod offensive was launched. I mean, a drop pod doesn't need a hole in a hive city to land - it'll simply break someone's roof and the marines will deploy on the living room.

>>49973199
literally worse in combat than conscripts

>>49973763
Not entirely unlikely.
The Life-support systems and power-plants are probably the same across the Imperium, after that it's local influence. But high-end building materials will for the most part be the same across the Imperium, and keep in mind that most Hive Cities are millennia old, which homogenises things even more.
It's not as if the Imperium is in the habit of building new hives, those they have existed almost as long the Imperium has.

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>>49973752
It's almost as if you don't like the sexiest armour mark known to man.

And that would be crazy.

>>49970001
Copy paste the guardian spear from 40k.

The sword and board guys are very good. It is weird that they are AP3(with rending) but they have a rerollable 4++ in CC, which is insane. Either make it a flat 3++ and give the sword AP2 or keep as is.

Make them 1 squad per 1,000 points that can be taken as an HQ choice like a Knight Errant.

The Pheonix spear with taped on bolter needs to fucking go.

>>49973792
>Dammit, I don't know how many people live in a hive city like that
Hundreds of millions of people, billions if we're talking actual major Hives.
Population Density for a hive is mental, and since they're entirely sealed environments they can exist almost anywhere.

High density hive worlds can have populations in the hundreds of billions, and require a network of agriworlds to feed the population.

>>49973865
I'm seeing a distinct lack of crotch studs for the sexiest armour mark

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>>49973865
You do not deserve the nails, move aside.
>>49973888
In all M3 Earth there's only 8 billion people. Holy shit Hives are a fuckfest.

>>49973865
Strange, that's not a picture of MkV

>>49973792
Hives are sealed environments, the outer shell is probably pure adamantium and plasteel, not as tough as a starship hull but more than resistant enough to literally laugh at artillery strikes. It's not plascrete or anything brittle like that.

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POINTS PER GBP
Includes plastics where available. Base costs only. Very rough. Seekers are based on a Mk IV set of 10 plus a seeker bolter set, so if you only want five instead of 10 you'd actually have to pay extra.

7.38 Seeker Squad
6.67 Praetor
5.20 Primus Redoubt
5.00 Contemptor
4.82 Heavy Support Squad
4.76 Tactical Support
4.46 Dreadnought
4.38 Terminators
4.29 Destroyers
4.17 Tactical Squad
4.09 Apothecary
4.05 Land Raider Achilles-Alpha
4.00 Deathstorm Drop Pod
3.87 Land Raider Achilles
3.79 Stormblade
3.76 Cerberus Heavy Tank Destroyer
3.76 Typhon Heavy Siege Tank
3.75 Leviathan Siege Dreadnought
3.70 Centurion
3.68 Glaive
3.33 Veteran Tacticals
3.17 Land Raider Phobos Iib
3.13 Malcador Assault Tank
3.09 Fellblade
3.03 Contemptor-Cortus
3.00 Falchion
2.94 Breacher Squad
2.94 Recon Squad
2.92 Contemptor-Mortis
2.90 Spartan
2.90 Caestus Assault Ram
2.86 Castellum Stronghold
2.85 Deredeo
2.56 Xiphon
2.55 Mortis Dreadnought
2.55 Vindicator Laser Destroyer
2.50 Assault Squad
2.50 Sicaran Venator
2.46 Medusa
2.42 Attack Bike
2.35 Vindicator
2.33 Mastodon
2.22 Basilisk
2.17 Sicaran Battle Tank
2.17 Whirlwind Scorpius
2.16 Land Speeder
2.14 Whirlwind (Mars-pattern)
2.12 Storm Eagle
2.05 Land Raider Proteus
2.04 Jetbike Sky Slayers
2.00 Fire Raptor
1.96 Damocles
1.95 Dreadclaw
1.88 Outrider Squad
1.82 Jetbike Sky Hunters
1.75 Tarantula
1.69 Primaris-Lightning
1.61 Thunderhawk Gunship
1.59 Techmarine
1.59 Dreadnought Drop Pod
1.56 Drop Pod
1.52 Kharybdis Assault Claw
1.42 Predator
1.33 Rapier
1.13 Sokar Pattern Stormbird
1.00 Javelin Attack Speeder
0.97 Rhino

>>49973909
In all honesty, that picture makes me want to do a big fat 20 man mkIII tac blob. It's sexy as fuck.

>>49973905
They take away from the sleek, smooth, sexy profile.

>>49973792
>Dammit, I don't know how many people live in a hive city like that

3e rulebook listed Hive City population as between 100 and 500 billion, listing planets like Necromunda and Armageddon. Some later pieces have given us far smaller hives, down to like 25 billion.

In, I believe 1e Necromunda, it mentions that the planet has a thousand hives and when doing census on one, they stopped counting after they hit a billion. Of course we don't know if all the hive on the planet are inhabited, since some are almost forgotten about, so it's possible they're ghost hives.

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>>49973909
It gets worse.

>>49973888
This is the closest we had to a irl hive

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kowloon_Walled_City

>>49973999
Exactly, minus the self-contained sealed environment, but yes, that was in essence a proto-hive.

>>49973982
That 20 man blob was already my plans for IW allies to my Admech. Two 20 man tac squads should provide a decent enough wall of chumps for my artillery to sit behind.

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>>49973917
>Hives are sealed environments
no they aren't

>>49973947
>4.17 Tactical Squad
That's the 5 man unit of differing armor marks, right? There is no way that is the 20 man legion specific upgrade units, nor the 30 man MkIV set.

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>>49973917
>>49974037
They aren't sealed or self contained!
They are a massed bunch of spires.
>>49973987
Yes, I know it's this grade of a clusterfuck, the same as nobody really knows how big the Imperial Guard is - they just know it's "a lot".
>>49973982
>>49974061
Legiones Chumpstartes go
>>49973985
>>49973888
I mean, Agrellan has 16.7 billion scattered in 12 Hive Cities (which are in contact with air, mind you, air scrubbers and void shields and all, spires over spires)

>>49974080
It'll depend on the environment I suppose, but many hive worlds do not exactly have an atmosphere I'd consider breathable, or even an atmosphere at all.

If outside air is an option that's useful obviously, but your example also indicates that the lower levels are basically toxic due to the air treatment systems not working properly down there and pollution building up.

>>49974162
>but your example also indicates that the lower levels are basically toxic due to the air treatment systems not working properly down there and pollution building up
Yeah, but hives being toxic shitholes is basically the standard. Semi-filtered air is better than no air, and it's not like anyone gives a fuck about the state of the lower levels.

Did they manage to get that ship out of the city? Fucking how?

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>>49974162
>your example also indicates that the lower levels are basically toxic due to the air treatment systems not working properly down there and pollution building up.
Such is life in the underhive.
>>49973999
Have some hive-city SCP, Tzeentch
http://www.scp-wiki.net/personal-log-of-gordon-richards

>>49974109
125 points for 10 guys
30 GBP for the plastic Mk IV box of 10 (sold by GW's UK website).

>>49973581
What would be a better proxy for a Lightning the Nephilim Jetfighter or the Stormhawk Interceptor?

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>>49974231
Reverse. Duh.

>>49974249
>>49974188

Plastic, okay cool.
I was gonna say, 48 pounds divided by 10 marines at 125 points should NOT get 4.17

>>49974231
Mechanicum probably came along, cut it up, spaced the pieces and put it back together in the void.
>>49974257
Interceptor looks like a flying potato, nephilim has a very similar profile although its not as long IIRC. Nephilims are easily convertible, just file off the DAngle markings and, if you have the balls and skills, extend the fuselage a little

Points is, infantry (in tactical and terminator armor), dreadnoughts, super-heavy tanks, and spartans are the cheaper way to make an army.

Bikes, jetbikes, flyers, drop pods, javelins, and rhinos are expensive. FW charges extra for mobility.

>>49973581
Does anybody has that "30K PLAYER GAMING EXTREMELY FAST" pic that the guy with the WE & Mechanicum vs WB & Mechanicum posted?

>>49973658
>He probably thinks a ship can only get embedded into a hive by fully inserting its lenght.
If you're going to penetrate you don't stop until you're balls deep.

>>49974473
It's a very tight Hive city. I'm gonna need some help breaking into it. Mind "ramming" it from the other side? ;^)

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>>49974348
Lol, that was my game. Good times.

>>49974339
>and rhinos
Rhinos are cheap, unless you're a luddite who hates the mars pattern.

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Why do you like the Alpha Legion?

>>49974577
Compared to their points, they cost a bomb, even for gw plastic

>>49973999
>33,000 people in a 6 acre area

This is pretty cramped desu. Now build it 20,000 feet tall and as wide as the state of Wyoming and we can get into the billions.

>>49974624
Because with the exception of the Raven Guard they're the only Space Marines who don't fight like retards

>>49973947
Does the 1.42 for a predator count for the FW model or the GW plastic model?

>>49974631
Suppose that's true, but for what you get I'd say rhinos are underpriced.

>>49974761
How do Salamanders fight like retards?
>Burning people with chemicals is bad
>Burns with fire.

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Yiss

Love the design, no dumb elephant legs

>>49974841
HNGG
I need....15 of them and I'll have an army.

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>>49974841
>Leather demi-gloves over Auric gauntlets

>>49974860
I'm selling 20 of them come this friday....

>>49974761
>The AL don't fight like retards
>I allowed them to fortify because it would have been too easy
>I killed all the nobles of this planet, now we gotta import Imperial governors that the natives will look upon as enslavers.
Being tactical doesn't exempt you from being a retard.

>>49974761
*laughing rogal, robute, ferrus, jaghati, sanguinius*

>>49973947
Can you do one for the basic mechanicum units?

>>49974931
>ferrus
Retreating could save your head, just saying.

>>49974886
On Ebay or the such and how much good sir?

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>>49974865

>>49974970
ferrus lost his head because of his bestie betraying him

Dude wasn't thinking straight.

Also EVERY primarch called alpharius a waste of space. Because he's poop tier.

>>49974981
Probably on eBay, and probably $40-45/free shipping CONUS. Mind you, that is per sprue, WITH the transfers cut out (fuck those who don't do that extra step)

>>49972517
They wouldn't.

You're thinking of the watch packs, which were sent to watch for suspicious psyker activity, but were officially "honour guards"

>>49975045
sprue set*

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>>49975059
>You're thinking of the watch packs
I said "gifts", not Fenrisian-speaking witch-lying annoyances
>>49974991
>2+ save leather

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>That one artist that always gives Marines asinine oversized tube legs gave it to the Custodes as well

kek

>>49974624
Because I'm in your dudes killing your bases.

Seriously though, to express it in a single unrelated 40k quote: "...the spawn of Chaos are never predictable, never logical. You can't out-think them. To try would be madness."

>>49975125
>Space marines are Bratz dolls for bearded men.

>>49975172
AND LADIES (still bearded lmaooo)

>>49975045
Those prices hurt me emotionally
but i understand.

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>>49974865
All the cool kids are doing it.

>>49975211
I need to be competitive. Will /probably/ have an 'all four' listing for like $150/ free shipping.

>>49975229
I'm also going to be selling four sets of sisters, four sets of Arhiman, and three sets of Geigor.

>>49975229
I know anon. I'm just upseti because i haven't had any spaghetti.
Just in terms of what someone pays (150) vs paying almost a 3rd of that price for 5 of the 47 models is disappoint even though everyone is going to do it.
150 for 4 sets is a good deal that will sell really fast.

So, prospero droops this weekend!!

Anybody got scans yet?

>>49975489
No there will never be any scans because Scanon is busy getting a degree.

>>49975489
it begins

>>49975489
FW does, go ask them.

>>49975489

Scans of what? The board game you aren't going to play?

>>49975229

How much will you be selling the Mk3 tacticals for?

>>49975606
He won't, he's using them.

>>49971553
Try 7k+ of HH stuff and still wanting BoP for those delicious mk 3 and tartaros eggmen...

>>49975606
I will be KEEPING the Mk III's, the Terminators, and one Geigor the fell handed model.
I'm a dirty, nasty space wolves player.

>>49975696
You forgot malodorous in there, too

>>49975716
and also at least three wet leopard growls

How much is enough (heavy) support squads for Reaping DG? After making one with chem-flamers and one with missile lauchers, I still got stuff I can use to make one with plasmas and another with autocannons.

>>49975716
I bathe twice a day, so no.
30K space wolves player, not a 40k Space Furry

435-Curze-Warlord-Terror Assault

165-Forgelord-Cataphractii, Power Fist, Rad grenades, Cyber Familiar, Trophies, Teleporter

175-Command squad, 4x Cataphractii, 1 Chainfist, Teleportation Transponder

245-Cortus dread, Chainfist, dread pod

280-Terror Squad-10 models, Volkite Chargers, Pfist, AA, Meltabombs
280-Terror Squad-10 models, Volkite Chargers, Pfist, AA, Meltabombs
280-Terror Squad-10 models, Volkite Chargers, Pfist, AA, Meltabombs

230-Primaris-Lightning-Battle servitors, Ground trackers, 4 kraken penetrators

410-Leviathan Siege Dread-Phosphex, Melta Lance, Siege drill, Dread pod

This is what i'm aiming to build, nearly done everything but painting the rank and file, gotta buy pods and leviathan. I'm going to buy the Leviathan next once i finish painting. Does anyone care about whether the pod models used is the fuck-off sized Forgeworld one or not? I know they're bigger, is it enough to cause problems when playing?

>>49975489

Ask again in 24 Hours.

>>49975696

Ah I see. What do you expect Mk3's to go for? Same $25 ish that Mk4 after Calth went for?

>>49975919
Consdering the amount of people going for custodes/sister units, they may end up cheaper.

>>49975919
>>49975981
Exactly, don't forget that for the first month or so of BaC being out you could snag a set of 10 for $15 shipped, so it will be between $15-25

REEEEEEEEEEEE

I KEEP GETTING POPUPS ON HERE!

REEEEEEEEEEEE

HIROSHIMOOT, WHY HAVE YOU DONE THIS!?!?

>>49976074
Because you touch yourself at night.

>>49976007
I'm looking forward to buying a set of ten for cheap. Doubt I'll go full 30k, but a small HoR/Victory is Vengeance band will be fun.

>>49976127
This. Neither phoneposting nor regular PCposting get me pop ads, and boy am I an acolyte of Slaanesh. Hmmhmmmm

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>>49976332
Called it!

>>49976373
No as in, I'm into some not-your-regular-shit stuff, and even I don't get pop ups. I don't know what >>49976074 is doing.
Maybe downloading virus.exe.exe is his fetish, dunno.

>>49976074
4Chan has pop-ups ?

>>49976332
Nah mate, I've seen /g/ and /pol/ complain about them too.

>>49976332
I'm rather disturbed yet intrigued.

>>49976481
What's weird is that the popup always redirects to zuckerbergland. Dunno if real though, I always exit out before it loads.

How does this sound for a 1500 point army?

1500 point bracket

Preator
-180-
Plasma pistol-15
Paragon blade-25
Digital lasers-15
Iron Halo-25

Legion Tactical squad #1
-295-
10+ marines-100
CCW's-40
Vexilla-10
Power Weapon-10
Artificier armor-10

Legion Apothecary #1
-55-
Artificer armor-10

Legion Tactical squad #2
-295-
10+ marines-100
CCW's-40
Vexilla-10
Power Weapon-10
Artificier armor-10

Legion Apothecary #2
-55-
Artificer armor-10

Predator strike squadron
-325-
2 additional tanks-150
2xLascannon upgrade-80
1xHeavy Bolters upgrade-20

Leviathan Dreadnought
-295-
Twin linked Volkite upgrade-5
Cyclonic Melta Lance-20

>>49976588
Your formatting is cancer

>praetor-180
>plasma pistol, paragon blade, digital lasers, iron halo

>2x tactical squads-590
>20 marines, vexilla, ccws, aa/pw sarge

>2x apothecaries-110
>AA

>predator squadron-325
>3xtanks, 2 las sponsons, 1 HB sponson

>leviathan-295
>calivers, melta lance