Horus Heresy General /hhg/

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>>49977208
First for uninteresting bread, you shame breadanon

Prospero scans when.

It comes out on Saturday and not even a small leak ffs.

>>49977278
What do you want, scans of the board game rules? We already know the 1ksons get butt blasted as badly in the game as they do in fluff

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Not yet sure what to think about gaming tables being flooded with Custodes coming weekend.
Grey Knights never caught on here so thankfully they're as rare a sight as in the fluff, but it already seems that Custodes are a lot more popular.

>>49977278
>tfw no WD scans
>tfw no paint guide scans

>>49977323

My typhon is going to be working overtime it seems.

>>49977323
>my legion is secretly on a mission from the emperor and he entrusted his personal guard to help praetor donut steele because they were besties back on earth
you ready for loyalist word bearers with custodes allies?

anyone got thoughts on a night lords list?

30k night lords list -2500
RoW: Death from the skies

**HQ**
Cruze- 435

'Sevatar'- 175

Legion primus medicae consul- 135
-AA, jump pack, refractor field

**troops**

legion assault squad- 200
-AA, trophies of judgement, chainglaive

Storm eagle- 230
-ceramite plating

legion assault squad- 200
-AA, trophies of judgement, chainglaive

Storm eagle- 230
-ceramite plating

**elites**

Terror squad- 145
-chainglaive, AA

dreadclaw- 115

Terror squad- 145
-chainglaive, AA

dreadclaw- 115

**Fast Attack**

x15 Night Raptor Squad - 375
-AA, trophies of judgement, chainglaive

>I know my formatting sucks, but I know you can read it

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>>49977268
Join the club. I'm club president by the way.

>>49977368
>Loyalist Word Bearers
Kek, that's against the rules!

>>49977368
And it's going to be more shameful than the breads I make these days.

>>49977368
>Custodes fighting alongside Gal Vorbak and that fucked up chaos contemptor

Emperor save us.

>>49977314
>board game comes with rules for the legions
>nobody has posted them

Wew

>>49977370
Your everything is fucked up, you spelt your primarch's name wrong, your Rite of war doesnt exist, your primarch isnt a HQ, assault squads dont get to take storm eagle DTs even with Angels Wrath, you need horror cult to take trophies of judgement on squads etc etc. I wont even give c&c on what shit you do have there

>>49977423
>No really, my backwater garrison of loyalist iron warriors also happened to have a contingent of custodes with them!
>It was just a really secretly important backwater garrison!

>>49977370
Dude, even MY shit wasn't as fucked up.

>>49977455
Tri-dubs confirm it.

>>49977440
>with rules for the legions
No it doesnt, rules for those two come out in Inferno, which wont be until february. I am possibly being trolled.

>>49977399
But there's a RoW you can give them intended for loyalists of traitor legion!

>>49977455
They're not even released and already the Custodes appear to be cheap whores.

>>49977488
Nope. Word Bearer LA rules explicitly state that they may only be used for a Traitor Force.

>>49977399
its not against the rules exactly
you just dont get anything good at all except the morale and sweeping advance thing

>>49977480
>My loyalist thousand sons actually had a group of custodes and sisters of silence with them when magnus ordered their ships away from prospero
>they just... didn't tell anyone about it

>>49977481
But inferno comes out on Saturday, anon-kun

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>>49977525
I think that's the lowest point.

>>49977511
Nope. You don't even get those.

>>49977370
fuck, forget 3 of thos trophies I fucked up, lemme find another 15 points

30k night lords list -2500
RoW: Death from the skies

**HQ**
Cruze- 435

'Sevatar'- 175

Legion primus medicae consul- 135
-AA, jump pack, refractor field

**troops**

legion assault squad- 200
-AA, power weapon

Storm eagle- 230
-ceramite plating

legion assault squad- 200
-AA, power weapon

Storm eagle- 230
-ceramite plating

**elites**

Terror squad- 145
-chainglaive, AA, hand flmer

dreadclaw- 115

Terror squad- 145
-chainglaive, AA

dreadclaw- 115

**Fast Attack**

x15 Night Raptor Squad- 375
-AA, chainglaive, volkite serpenta

>fixed, sorry internet

>>49977323
I'm not worried at all.

You need 6 minimum to ally and the box comes with 5.

They're only AP2 on the charge, have no assault transports of their own, and can't enter allied transports on 30k. So they're shit outside of Zone Mortalis.

Then in zone mort the spears are decent, but only as survivable as tartaros armor against plasma. The shield guys are quality but only 4++ against shooting still. So not too spooky.

Footslogging assault units don't last long in 30k. Until their full list they're crap in normal games. When they get assault transports then they'll be spooky depending on the transports quality.

>>49977558
really?
i thought you get your LA, but nothing else

>>49977559
>>49977528
Are you having fun?

>>49977581
Nope. Like I said earlier, Word Bearer LA rules state that they may only be used to represent a Traitor aligned force.

>>49977455
>My backwater garrison of Iron Warriors was entrusted with protecting a valuable shard of ancient technology which the Emperor wanted to use in the construction of the golden throne, their guard duty being too important to be suspiciously suspended from it, and as such, were left in the dark about the rest of the legion's heresy
>Custodes were sent to retrieve the artifact on behalf of the Emperor, and the Iron Warrior guards, still loyalist as they hadn't moved from their guard post and were not involved with their heretical brothers, joined the Custodes in escorting the tech shard back to Terra, being both capable warriors and technology experts themselves.

>>49977582
No, am actually a bit confused about all this

>i just wanna play my sw

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>>49977528
Just die already.

>>49977506
Then why do they get a RoW intended for loyalists?

>>49977555
Yeah, I'm not sure how to one-up that one.

Just remember, custodes/SoS are going to be BaC-tier everywhere. And you can bet the traitors are going to try and shove them into their lists with half-baked explanations (they're chaos custodes!).

Hopefully they get daemons or something to tide them over.

>>49977555

>my loyalist word bearers have a contingent of custodes helping them out because reason. I am running alpha legion rules and running gal vorbak to represent my veterans

>>49977606
>Imperial Fist Delegatus tasked with gathering legion forces spread throughout the systems and bring them back to Terra has his small cadre of Custodians to help in his task.

>>49977606
>And my OC is also wielding Drach'nyen btw

>>49977616
They don't. That RoW may only be used by traitor legions that are representing a loyalist portion of said forces. Word Bearers may not use it due to their rules requiring them to be traitor.

You can play Loyalist IW and have KE and Agents of the Emperor, as well as the loyalist traitors RoW.

You MUST play traitor WE.

>>49977624
>>49977636
I will accept daemons using Warp funk to look like Custodes and that's why their rules disappoint people.

>>49977636
>I'm running AL and I'm using Custodes to represent stolen Gal Vorbak.

>>49977636
>My loyalist Raven Guard allied with a bunch of Custodes to make up for the losses after the Isstvaan massacre.

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>>49977637
That isn't sooooooo bad.

>>49977637
The fists were on terra, and dorn was in charge of mustering the loyal forces while the emperor was preoccupied with magnus' fuckups.

Banana delegatus on a mission from Earth with a handful of the golden boys in tow? Makes perfect sense.

>>49977668
>My DG needed help to find Typhon, so they requisitioned some Custodians, as they are too looking for him.

>>49977645
The Orphans of Betrayal specifically mentions WB as one of the legions that can use it.

>>49977668
>Custodes fought alongside RG in Deliverance Lost.

You already have a reason to take them. A bunch of them even died.

>>49977706
Meh, I'm just chalking that one up to an inconsistency.

Then again, the RoW doesn't actually have the must play as a loyalist limitation, oddly enough, so RAW, Word Bearers actually could use it. Though they can't take any units limited to a traitor legion.

...which, RAW, is the entire Word Bearers legion.

>>49977637
>>49977668
>>49977687

>I'm fielding Custodes with White Scars because people keep on asking for the Custodes to come and help them do small, extremely situationally specific tasks across the universe and the White Scars help them get there faster on their fast bikes.

>>49977765
>...which, RAW, is the entire Word Bearers legion.
which book is that in? i'm not seeing it in book 2

>>49977783
Best explanation.

>>49977765
Consistency!

>>49977687
>Horus needed help finding Alpharius to find out how the attack against the Sol system went, so he and his Justaerin had some Custodes with them to aid in the search

>>49977765
The Orphans of Betrayal RoW lists Word Bearers as being able to take it and be Loyalist.

>>49977788
In the Age of Darkness Legions book, there's a note on the Word Bearers legion rules that say that these rules may only be used to represent a traitor force.

>>49977805
>I'm fielding the Custodes with Horus himself, the arch traitor of the heresy, because the Custodes are secretly waiting for horus to reach a vulnerable position in battle so they can make sure he's been fully killed and isn't dragged into the warp, and as such, are only pretending to be his allies, such is their loyalty to the Emperor.

>>49977817
Actually, I just checked. It doesn't actually say anything about having to be loyalists, it just says play a traitor legion and have no traitor-specific units. RAW, all Word Bearer units are traitors because of their Legiones Astartes rules, as anon pointed out.

>>49977278

24 Hours. Can you wait that long?

>>49977805
The Shield-Captain is reportedly heard muttering something about victory and being alone for the first time. Unknown meaning.

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>>49977817
>>49977829

>>49977849
Granted, the units are not traitor specific. Usually they put a traitor only on special units also (See HQ). You could run them as outcast Heretic WBs but they would have to be traitors.

General consensus here is no loyalist WB but if you really care, email FW and see if they are willing to untangle the fustercluck of rules.

>>49977939
I would say loyalist WB use blackshield rules.

>>49977939
I mean, if we go by technicalities, they are indeed, Traitor specific.

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>>49977939
Just means no daemon units or named WB HQs.

>>49978034
It also states traitor specific units, which by technicality, are the entire WB legion.

>>49978209
>Things that will never stop a game from happening unless you're a major dick

>>49978294
Not him, but is there seriously anyone who wants to play loyalist word bearers? Because that sounds like the blandest shit ever

>>49978294
>unless you're a major dick
Or a tournament organizer

>>49978329
No TO is going to look at that RoW and say, "This RoW, that specifically says Word Bears can take it listed right there, can't be taken by Word Bearers."

Because it's listed right there that they can. It's muddy RAW because FW is bad at rules.

I even hate WB, but no way would I stop and opponent from taking that RoW.

>>49978329
Those two positions are entirely interchangeable

>>49978319
hipsters looking for snowflakes, I guess

not sure they count as people though

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Okay, I'm pretty sure he's finally done.

>>49978329
>Considering to rename every tournament organiser 'Major Dick'

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which character has been trolled the most in the HH series so far?

>>49978462
both the marine and the white is a little thiccc
it looks good though

>>49978462
loving it, the helmet does balance out the legs a fair bit

>>49978462
You turned a pretty bad and fat model into a pretty cool and fat model. White looks a wee bit thick though.

>>49978492
Agreed.

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>>49978209
> loyalist daemons

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>>49978492
>>49978517
>>49978510
Thanks!

And you know what, you're not wrong. I may rushed a bit on the white and laid it on too thick. Not much to be done for it now, I'm afraid.

>>49978462
transfers are too clean for such a worn and battle damaged model.

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>>49978537

>>49978537
That day all my interest in maybe starting Lizard man some day died.

>>49978587
Battle brother cream cheese just had a few too many gyros after his gladiatorial matches. I'm sure it's the camera adding an extra twenty pounds.

>>49977652
I'm running Alpha Legion and using Custodes because the Alpha Legion is in your Adeptus guarding your Emperor.

>>49977668
>My Dark Angels are accompanied by a contingent of Custodes because my Praetor is a Terran veteran and the Custodes keep following him around calling him Senpai and Onii-sama.

>>49978537
AoS was a mistake

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Any chance we are ever going to get the Interex for 30k? I think they were around during this time period.

>>49978847
no

>>49978847
No.

The Interex were killed off before the Horus Heresy.

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>>49978537
We already have loyalist daemons

>>49978886
But maybe there are loyalist interex with custodes bodyguards.

>>49978847
GeeDubs will never introduce a non- Imperial or Chaos human faction.

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>>49978940
Shame.

>>49978940
*cough* Genestealer cults *cough*

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On a scale from triggered to ass blasted, how much would you complain if I made my grav rapier batteries from these models? The crew would have one pauldron painted red or have a techmarine pauldron.

>>49978940
Stealer Cults.

I mean if Chaos counts as a human faction, they would too.

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Finished building my khorne berserker inductii kitbashes tonight. By the first guy I was posing him like a primarch and giving him a name and a story (name: Killzall, story: kills all) but by inductii #20 I was so tired and running low on bits...I just started making them look like the shitty berserkers on the box.

>>49979142
Make great myrmidon destroyers.

>>49979142
Depends on what Legion and when in the Heresy.

I mean Iron Warriors, doing shit like that by Terra is expected. Space Wolves, not so much.

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>>49979142
Xmen/10

>>49979142
Triggered.

>>49979166
No they wouldn't.

>>49979155
And now you know what order to remove casualties in!

>>49979142
If the weapon is properly represented and there was an appropriate crew, I wouldn't mind at all. You're basically just replacing the rapier battery hull with a slaved servitor-unit.

>>49979155
Not gonna lie KA, those look pretty sick.

>>49979142
>On a scale from triggered to ass blasted, how much would you complain if I made my grav rapier batteries from these models?
I don't know if I'd voice it, but I wouldn't like it. They're mechanicus, not legionnaires.

>>49979166
>Depends on what Legion
>>49979200
>They're mechanicus, not legionnaires.

They'd be for my Imperial Fists, I just think its a cool model to represent failed recruits that have been turned into servitor artillery units.

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>>49979142
a kind anon posted the dimensions a long time ago, hope this helps!

>>49979155
>dear diary, today I shamelessly copied another person's kitbash
>but I also fucked up the pose so he's looking down into the ground like an awkward sperg

>>49979186
I hope you mean Wolves wouldn't, because Pete Haines' Warsmith was pretty much that.

In fact, coming full circle, I believe his treads were actually from an old Rapier Battery.

Anyone have any idea what base size the Militia field artillery should be? The earthshaker cannons?

I have some leftover knight battle cannons.

>>49979239
Pete Haines' Warsmith was an ex-Thousand Son.

>>49979233
He's a Big Guy™ so him looking down will be fine on the tabletop when he's surrounded by For You's.

>>49979233
>like an awkward sperg

I dont know, he looks like he's celebrating.

>>49979263
He does however look a bit like he's going
>damn I'm so hard right now.

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Too bad I'll probably paint them like shit

>>49979355
Just cover them in bloodspatters to such an extend that no one can see the shitty paintjob.

>>49979355
Clean the moldlines first.

>>49979388
GW needs to make a BftBG bottle so large you can dip models in.
World Eaters players would buy so many GW would run out of stock in minutes.

>>49979296
Fine, he's doing anime poses like an awkward sperg

Vindicators vs Medusas, which ones should I be taking for that sweet sweet AP2 blast?

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>Rhinos can take pintle mounted-weapons

... Where would you put them?

>>49979355
I would've at least removed some of the bunny ears, but considering you didn't even clean up the mold lines or sprue connections, we can safely say removing part of a helmet is far beyond your skill.

>implying anybody had any faith that you could paint them moderately well.

>>49979444
Truly, art mirroring it's creator.

>>49979543
I'd say on one of the hatches, maybe replacing it with the modern rhino ones?

>>49979563
>>49979543
>maybe replacing it with the modern rhino ones?
BEEP BEEP MARS PATTERN PROVEN OBJECTIVELY SUPERIOR

SUCK IT DEIMOS NO ONE LIKES YOU, PHOBOS WAS ALWAYS THE COOLER MOON

>>49979543
just combine the combibolter onto one hatch and use the mars rhino's plastic pintle mount on the other I guess

or buy more FW shit

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>>49979602
woops forgot pic
here's how FW sells it

>>49979563
>Truly, art mirroring it's creator.
it's like you're trying to be a cunt but you're not good at it

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Cough cough fucksticks

>>49979614
Fuuuuuck, 40 seconds quicker than I

>>49979595
Mars pattern supremacy !

>>49979614
>>49979625
>enough weapons for five (5) Rhinos
>enough top hatches for one (1) Rhino

Thanks FW, it's not like you weren't expensive enough already or anything

>>49979730
There are two hatches, enough for two vehicles, not to mention the the fact that the weapons DO NOT have to be attached to the provided hatches.
The little lips on the bottom of the five grey supports? Go on ANY Rhino hatch (deimos, but still)

>>49979696
>All my Rhinos are Mars Pattern
>I used Dreadnought sarcophagi to make the front look Deimos
Best of both worlds.

>>49979788
Yeah but the problem is that other hatches have a bolter poking out the top of them. You require more of the plain hatches to make the pintle-mounted weapons work on the Deimos rhinos. It's a pain.

So what terminator armour do Deathshroud use? It doesn't specify and I'm trying to figure out which armour to give my praetor.

>>49979856
FW book art has them in tartaros, the minis look the same, so tartaros. Plus, they look like tartaros. I'm going with tartaros.

>>49979854
RG Bro! Good thing that you're here. Can you post a picture of your RG and tell me the scheme? I've got a friend that's just getting into the hobby and is having trouble deciding on a good scheme.

>>49979856
deathshroud can be either, i would suggest tartaros but cataphractii is also an option if you feel the survivability is necessary

>>49979788
The blank hatch is for attaching the pintle-mounted weapon and the hatch with holes in it is for attaching two halves of a combi-bolter. The regular Deimos Rhino kit gives you two hatches with space for one half of a combi-bolter each, which means they can't be used alongside pintle-mounted weapons without looking awkward as fuck.

It's true that the 4 remaining weapons can be used for Vindicators, Predators, Land Raiders etc. but Rhinos are by far the most appealing to add a multi-melta to so that they go from "useless suicide truck for extra movement" to "suicide truck for extra movement that is a threat to anything if it survives after dumping its cargo".

>>49979863
I like your answer and your delivery. Thanks, anon.

>>49979870
>>49979863
Or you could not put in the combi bolters
Mind-blown

>>49979864
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>>49979882
Not >>49979863

>>49979882
But my WYSIWYG rrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>49979856
All other legion specific terminators have what armour they have specified in their unit entry, and the "Terminator armour is as shown on model" applies only to the legion armylist. So RAW I would say that Deathshroud have standard terminator armour.

But don't let that stop you from joining the min-maxers, because nobody seems to care how strange it is that Deathshroud can choose which terminator armour they're wearing between each battle.

>>49979865
They can be, but their models are in tartaros. YOu'd have to make your own cataphractii.

>>49979909
They are tartaros modelwise but can be equipped with any type, learn to rules fggt.

>>49979864
Hey man, yeah, been away for a while for exams. I don't have an airbrush, so here's my rough and ready method.

1) Prime your models - I use Tamiya primer (grey) simply because that's the safest primer I can get my hands on locally. The best, most consistent sprays I've ever used have been GW sprays in fact.

2) Use a dark grey, like charcoal or even straight black if you like, and spray the underside of the model. This is the basis for your shading.

3) Use a lighter grey to spray from the top.

This is essentially a poor man's OSL.

From here, get out the brushes and slap some dark grey on your model. I tend to mix a dark sea blue with black to make a dark grey, as it seems quite stealth-like to my eye. It also has the benefit of not being straight black, so your models still have some shading to them. This is important for depth (sorry dude, not trying to sound like I'm patronising you, just not sure where you/your brother are in the hobby) and really makes the models stand out from those that have simply been spray painted black all over. Those models look kinda shitty and lazy.

When you're satisfied with your black, I then crack on with the metallic bits. Silver is obviously a mainstay, I avoid gold where possible because I just don't think it's the RG way, but I do spice things up with some bronze details here and there.

Then, white details. Start painting whatever you want white with a light grey and work up from there. No tricks really, just be patient. Thin your paints and take your time. For stuff like racing stripes on helmets and shit, use modeling masking tape. Makes shit so much easier.

You're pretty much done. I went for yellow eye-lenses on my boys because, well, bird theme.

Make sure to use a light colour on the base to offset the dark armour. I use eggshell fragments and fine sand, maybe some cut up cork bits for larger rocks or whatever, and then paint the whole base grey and highlight up to almost-white. Like ash, you feel?

>>49980007
Good job on those well constructed counter arguments with page refenrences there.

Oh wait.

>>49979864
>>49980067

Sorry, hit the character count on my last post, but I meant to say I don't have any decent photos at the mo but I'll get some up in the next 14 hours or so. It's evening here.

Tell your brother to get his hands on a pot of Tamiya Smoke. It is the shit. It's like an enamel Nuln Oil (Is Nuln Oil what they're still calling the black wash? I can't keep up with the name changes) and it's instant depth in a jar. It makes shit glossy though, so consider finishing the model with a matte varnish when you're done. Brush some Smoke over your silvers and they look a little greased-up and more "realistic" I feel.

>>49980069
Well constructed, kek. Do you know where you are?

>>49979871
Plus you want that overwatch with hand flamers loaded with chem munitions and be able to sweep. The 5++ is minor because they are S5 AP2 at I3 so they swing before fists and hammers. Plus they're all characters so they can play musical wounds. Add Morturg(sp?) for endurance and enjoy the best termis in the game.

>>49977624
>>49977555
>My Word Bearers where in a skurmish with some Custodies and Sisters of Battle, when my OC demon-chaplain used his psykic powers to corrupt the custodes and get sum demons to posses the sisters and that's why my sisters all have gal vorbak statlines and why the custodes are traitors.

>>49980120
Its literally under terminator armour in the big red book pg.133

>>49980105
>>49980067
Is there any dark sea blue that you'd recommend? Blacks and greys are pretty straightforward. Sea blues not so much.

>>49977323
>mfw Iron Hands
>mfw I just like to field 3 LRs and a Spartan full of angry dudes
>Still going to make a SoS and Cuntodes + Knight Errant for the sake of having a squad and tossing it with the excuse of a mission for the Emprah and deep striki g deeper than ever before (house rules, cuntodes can DS and can be taken as elites)

What color was prospero?

Trying to figure out the base color for my Tsons

>>49978420
As bad as FW is with tiles,it's still better at it than GW...

>>49980559
I've always pictured it as having a light grey, almost white sand/dirt with lush forests.

>>49980559
the colour of guilt

>>49980467
Your house rules a shit

Hnnnnnnnng I just sold my soul to GW for some kits and now I need to go sleep because I spent $580 on ANOTHER FW order.
(First one was $350, this one is $580, and I bought FOUR boxes of Prospero. Jesus, I need to finish my car quicker so I have less alone time with my computer.)

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>>49977208
Now that the very SHINEY Macroarid is on the horizon. Does anyone recommend actually using such a dank model.

>what is the best Macroarid loadout?

>>49980657
They work well, though, as they cannot ride vehicles. They get a delivery system, you can use BoP box without buying more and are temporry until inferno. So yeah, your salty traitor ass a shit.

>>49980823
Thanks for the idea anon, I'm going to use this for my shatteredlegionphospexspamwith+1S/Tchymeriaeallies army.

>>49978489
Horus

>stabbed by a fat guy
>here's a fake psychic vision
>better turn traitor
>only get the retards and fuck ups to back you up
>Lion doesn't turn
>Sanguinius doesn't turn
>Ferrus doesn't turn
>gets into a land war with his own betrayed sons because he can't control Angron
>Erebus fucks everything up for him
>gods lose interest and give him crap possessed
>every traitor Primarch has second thoughts or hates themselves

>>49980862
As long as you give them a bullshit reason to be there it is ok. Remember: that's the important part.

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>>49977370
You're making us look bad brother

I-I just like Custodes bros

>>49977323
>my Space Wolves has Custodes with them because they are on a mission from the Emperor to beat up a bunch of nerds

Do Terminator Combi-Bolters benefit from IF Bolter rules?

Anyone have an opinion on how veteran squads should be run? I was thinking just rolling them around in a rhino withave 5 combi-plasmas and having hunt down other marines and terminators

>>49977440
No they don't, they don't even come with regular AoD rules, but their own unique format

>>49978489
Magnus

>His Dad arrives and drops of the saddest fucking legion not [REDACTED]
>Has to trade his fucking eye to get them to stop spawning
>Too bad his Dad didnt fix this during the Great Crusade XD
>Resorts to 'underhanded tactics' such as diplomacy and not destroying everything to compensate for smaller numbers
>Brothers hate him for this and the fact hes a giant fucking red cyclops
>Despite this he tries to pass on some of his psychic knowledge to the other legions through creating the Librarians
>For this act of generosity his legion is censured and told never to use the powers they were created to use ever again
>All because Mortarion has brain damage and Russ is a hypocrite
>Heads home and try and try to find proof that he is right about space magic
>Is the only one to discover the treachery of Horus and the fate of the galaxy to come
>Thinks this is finally the way to show Dad he knows what hes doing
>Wrong
>Turns out he blew up Dads 'pet project' that he couldnt know about despite being a central part of it working in the long run
>The warning ignored hes chilling at home thinking about books when...
>Russ arrives to 'arrest him' with an army of psykers with his own detachment of 'not psychic' psykers and using a demon blade
>?
>Goes out and duels him as its not like having no depth perception should be a problem
>During this duel he is constantly countering the spells and powers being used to destroy your legion for using spells and powers
>Finally he has an edge in the fight when Russ's two familiars.. I mean wolves attack him
>Such honour many wolf
>Russ hits him in you eye like fuck how many times does he have to pay for the Emperors fuck up
>Gets Bane'd
>Lying their blind and broken he finally turns the powers of Chaos to save himself, his legion and what ever is left of his homeworld
>Russ then butchers the remaining population of your planet because hes pretending to be a barbarian
>As he wakes one though enters his mind
>JUST AT PLANNED

>>49977939
Could you not come to gentleman's agreement of letting them have Legiones Astartes WB, and Ashen Circle, as loyalists would surely still have those >>49981232
Yes

>>49981261
10 man, marksmen, IF, 2 heavy bolters, and in a rhino.
This is how you win games

>>49981306
I still think it's great how we argue about whether Magnus or Russ was in the wrong, even though the whole thing is Horus' fault

>>49981345
I didnt go into that as it's one of those quantum 40k moments depending on GW or BL sources.

>>49981334
What about Plasma + Sniper?

I was originally running with HBs + IF rules, but I got put off by it only being a couple of extra shots for 40 points

Anti-Terminator options? Mine are anti MEQ backline fucker-uppers with Lightning claws

How do I paste Terminators without dumping huge resources into it?

>>49981381
Play edge lords, wallniggers or orbital strike

>>49981381
Ffs tell us your legion and your current list/RoW?

People need to post these when asking for help, there's no point in saying vindicators and medusas if you're playing bangels or night lords or suggesting ap2 at initiative if your army has no way of getting it.

>>49981381
Custodes.

Joking aside, with shields they actually can probably tarpit termis pretty well. Providing the attacking model is S4 not S5, it take 19 power fist/thunder hammer attacks to kill a shield custodes.

>>49978319
I do, because >muh prodigal son

>>49978587
Up until the chest it's all worn, so maybe change that, even if it's a stone here or there

>>49979543
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NZ/Space-Marine-Legion-Pintle-Weapons-Set
Maybe check forgeworld before whining here

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This is a sanctioned paintjob? It looks like shit.

>>49981345
Horus may have been the overall commander, but we all know Erebus and Kor Phaeron were the first, followed by Lorgar. It's a sad day when you're a Word Bearer and have to admit that your top 3 leaders are all fucktards. Sorot Tchure was pretty correct in Know No Fear. The legion bears Lorgar and he's disappointing.

>>49978319
I think the appeal of loyalist word bearers is mostly in those lovely ashen circle models. The fact they aren't daemonic or obviously chaos-y makes them seem suitable to loyalists.

>>49979239
>Pete Haines' Warsmith
Anyone got pics of this as I can't find it anyone

>>49979856
WHy do gravewarden have cataphracti armour when their models have tartaros PAULDRONS

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>>49981716
Nigga you crazy.

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>>49981716
They don't dumbass

>>49981600
Imagining how this piece of shit came to be

>"Hey Rob, you got a second?"
>"Kinda busy Alan, I'm playtesting Thousand Sons psychic rules"
>"Yeah well when you have a couple of minutes free I need you to do me a favour"
>"Fuck's sake man, you know we only get 20 minutes for lunch these days since we're so behind the release schedule"
>"Don't worry, it'll only take 10 minutes, max..."

>>49981716
Did you confuse them with the other DG termies?

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>>49980559
Light grey?
that's the TS back cover

>>49981665
There are some pictures about but they are like 2005 phone pictures of a white dwarf article. UK issue 271 i think if you can find scans.

>>49980700
Cool story bro, needs more dragons

>>49980199
Just went and found my pot, it's Tamiya Medium Blue, XF-18

>>49977685
"We're on a mission from God...Emperor."
"It's 106 light years to Phall, we got a full warp engine, half a company of marines, it's the Age of Darkness, and we're wearing Artificer."
"Hit it."

>>49980559
The colour of burning.

>>49979155
>No chainaxes
5/10

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>>49981898
"What's that Skippy? There's an opportunity to be a pedantic fuckhead on the internet? I'm on it!"

>>49981946
5 Chainaxes, which brings me to 5/10. There is literally 0 reason to not put chainaxes on Inductii. If you don't have the bits, wait until you can get the bits to do it right. It's one of the only hard and fast WYSIWYG rules in the game and it's not difficult to follow.

>>49981964
>I didn't mean "no" when I said "no"
Actually, on second thoughts, let's not go down that rabbit hole.

>>49981979
Actually if you want to go that way, I should have have said 5/20. Regardless, he fucked up what was otherwise a fairly cool kitbash with shit options.

>>49981991
It's knight anon, he exists to fuck up

>>49981600
I think it looks fine..

>>49979166
>Space Wolves, not so much.
>invented the predator annihilator
>make better lighting claws
>developed freeze rays and freeze technology
>not being able to build a battle servitor
Anon please

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>>49981716
That's the Deathshroud

>>49982169
>freeze rays
Fucking hell, chunderwolves would be bad, but I really hope they don't bring fucking helfrost into 30k.

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>>49977636

>>49982093
Get your eyes checked, this is like that IF Knight guy painting White Scars for the first time.

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I'm getting burning of prospero this Saturday. Never played 30k before, but it sounds pretty cool. I'm gonna make the models up according to the game so I can play with my girlfriend and friends and learn the basics. Then planning to get Calth and splitting those models 50-50 between space wolves and thousand sons to start building a reasonably sized force for each. Is this a good idea? Would it work? Would they be roughly balanced to start playing and learning 30k with?

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>>49981306
>implying all that shit wasn't Magnus's fault
>implying Magnus wasn't the reason the reason the blood angels and white scars librarian proyect was rejected because his procedures included daemonic aid
>implying that not even his sons blame him for everything
>typical Magnus did nothing wrong meme
Magnus deserved every bad thing that happened to him.

>>49979166
>Space Wolves, not so much.

They'd just replace the servitor with a wolf. And the treads with wolf legs. And the guns with a freeze ray. And named it Frostwolf.

>>49982169
>HH wolves can have Annihilators
>so what if the fluff says they were invented later
>Leman Russ Annihilators were too, and they're in HH

>>49982290
Ya splitting both boxes should make it pretty even, but you as the loyalist player will be stuck with he custodes and sisters for a while. Also, you should know that those box games aren't the same as the tabletop game. They're actually pretty divergent. Also the numbers in betrayal at calth don't really add up to 30k squad numbers. I think it's 15 marines split between the two players? And a few special and heavy weapons. 30k tactical squads are 10-20 dudes with bolters, and 30k support and devastator squads are 5-10 dudes with all the same weapons.

TL;Dr it'll be a good start to the collection, but they won't marry up to the tabletop lists perfectly.

>>49981946
Holy shit KA, learn to take a critic. Then learn to take a critic spat from us the faceless & rude anonymous blob.

>>49982309
>typical Magnus did nothing wrong meme
But he didn't say that at all? In fact to even argue against what he is saying would mean that you have to give reasons why Magnus wasn't trolled the hardest of all the Primarchs. I'd say he made a pretty good arguement.

Im sure you just sperged out and posted typical skub just cause you saw Magnus tho right?

>>49982309
>magnus, so you know there's, no such thing as daemons
>okay father

>magnus, why the fuck are your warriors consorting with daemons?
>WHAT

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>>49982211
>one shooting a primarch with a lucky non D shot
>iron priest face when Horus and the other traitor primarchs are traped on ice
Oh boy so much fun

somebody offered me to buy their BaC for 100 eur, Worth it?

>>49982530
If it has everything then I'd say yeah.

>>49982530
It's about 20% off, so it's not terrible.

Would you be more scared of a Praetor and a command squad of 4 Terminators coming out of a Land Raider, or a Delegatus and a squad of 9 Templars coming out of a Land Raider?

>>49982852
Depends on what they're going against. Templars aren't too good against enemy Terminators.

>>49982865
Let's just assume in very general terms. I wouldn't point Templars against Terminators anyway.

>>49982884

They'll both mulch MEQs although 9 Templars will do it better if they charge

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>They lowered vet tactical squad point cost to 100
>headhunters are still 175

>>49983154
Bligh Grenade knows it's an issue and this issue and others like it will be fixed next red book.

>>49983154
I'm using a vet squad rules for a sniper recce squad, because they're just much more useful.

>>49983186
Probably a stupid question, but is there any ETA on the next red book?

>>49983186


Good, headhunters would be pretty sweet if they were cheaper than seekers

>>49983262
Realistically another year or two out. It probably doesn't make much sense to do another one until all 18 Legions have rules.

>>49983262
>>49983266

No clue, but I'd expect another one after space wolves and thousand sons come out.

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>tfw I plan on using MkII and MkV parts for my veterans so their armour is simultaneously production and non-production MkV

Oh how the armour autists will be triggered

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>>49983540
>using MkV bits makes it a production MkV

That's not even baiting, that's flat out pretending.

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>>49983540
"Production MkV" is simply a synonym for "studded crotch". Any other armour mix matchings are either non-production MkV or not even MkV, depending on the parts used.

>>49983154
Here's hoping that Headhunters will actually become more like seekers but then better

>tfw Seekers supreme don't even special ammunition

>>49983540
>I'm making decisions on which expensive resin kits to buy based on what might annoy internet strangers the most
Well, good for you, I guess.

>>49983600
Shit, I didn't know that MkV with non-MkV makes non production. should of been pretty obvious to me actually

>>49983671
Nah, I'm using the torso, head, backpack and shoulderpads of the MkV for my bikers and then using the MkII WS upgrade kit for my veterans. I'm wondering what backpack I should give my veterans though, I'm thinking Anvillus as I've got a few of them lying around.

>>49983654
What other legion-specific units currently need buffing/price decreases compared to their generic equivalents?
>seekers and AL headhunters
>seekers and RG mor deythan
>assault marines and NL night raptors
>assault marines and WE rampagers?
>any dreadnought whatsoever and the WB mhara gal
Any others? Or, what legion-specific units just need fixing at the moment?

>>49977208
Would you guys hate me for ferrying around 2 IH tac or Immortal blobs in two spartans?

>I guess if I habe to ask if it is cheese, it is.

>>49977368 loyalist WB are possible, look at Endryk Haas.

>>49977597
Citation please, my books might be a bit to old.

>>49977765
I thouht they can use the Ashen circle?

>>49978319
I am tempted because I like their grey and gold scheme, mkII and would stuff them full with ashen circle,phosphex and volkites.

Is this so snow flakey?

Also:

> Lorgar was a good boy, he dindu 'nuffin!

>>49978940
Gue'vesa.

So what would be a good starting force for Mechanicum Taghmata? Planning to have it led by Scoria and hopefully either ally in some Iron Hands/Warriors artillery or use Ordo Reductor allies for one artillery battery.
What would be best, in your opinions, and would a Genestealer Cult Goliath with a big gun mounted on the back work as a Medusa? It would work with the expendable nature of the Reductor vehicles.

>>49983785
That would be damn expensive so. Immortals are really points heavy and IH aren't really made for assaulting despite how angry their RoW makes them

>>49983814
Note how Endryd has a special version of the WE LA rule due to him not having The Nails.

>>49984024
Expensive, but potentially fun.

How else would one use them?
Marching slowly over the field?

If they get into cc or dare the enemy to charge them and their boarding shields, they might be a really effective tarpit for some termie shit kickers to arrive.

>>49984081
They're great at weathering enemy shooting and can be effective with some volkite to harass, but they're not a dedicated assault unit. Termies and dreads do that better

>>49984107
But might riding them up the field with volkites to capture an objective a nice idea?

Why give them so nice options to ride in a spartan and carry death-rays if its of no real use?

>>49984027

>grumble first edition HH rules didn't have that shit mumble.

>>49984174
In fact he has the bit of the rules that wasn't in HH, the "reroll to wound" part. The Nails only give you the chance to gain Rage (which only works in the charge) only after the enemy kicked your teeth in, on an ongoing combat. If you forsake your loyalty to the Emperor, then you gain Rage.
Nails are stupid like that.

>>49984160
Their problem is the costs add up and they lose lots of their toughness in combat. Easily swept and gun them down is just bad. They'd be ok for a tough objective holder and they can walk up the board if there's not heavy artillery

>>49984342
I have to admit I am not the best player, but I look at a Spartan like I look at a land-raider in ye olde editions:

A transport and a kick ass tank on it's own merit.

I even get to bring it without using any force org spaces!

Hey /hhg/

It was slow at work yesterday so I spent a good portion of the time shooting the shit with you lads - I've been writing some fluff for my take on one of The Lost Legions, and though I'd never go full retard and make another player suffer through them, I've been writing up rules and mechanics here and there for their unique units and equipment for shits, giggles and fun. (On that note, it still warms my heart that someone took the time to sketch a couple concepts for the Ursus Pattern Power Axe)

Anyway, I wanted to post some of the fluff I'd written for them yesterday but posting large bodies of text from mobile is an absolute nightmare, so I decided to do it later.

I'm hoping this doesn't get written off as uttermost faggotry for a couple reasons: I'm basically treating this as an exercise in getting into writing more and more often, as well as an exercise in mimicking as best as possible the format in which the FW HH books have arranged their Legion profiles. This should hopefully help attend to my third concern, which was avoiding special snowflake donutsteel Gary Stu territory as much as possible.

That last point is of especial importance at this point because I haven't finished. If you read through what I'm about to post and are wondering why things haven't gone pear-shaped, don't worry. They will.

Anyway, I'mma post some fluff on what in a parallel universe, another iteration of the grim darkness of the far future sitting perhaps in some spun glass bauble on a wizard of The Old World's shelf, or living in the tortured screams of The Warp, could have been The IInd Legion, The Imperial Rangers.

400~ points on a Leviathan drop pod at 2000 points overkill?

>>49984396
The Imperial Rangers
"Sempers deinceps!" / "Ever onwards!"

Numeration: The IInd Legion
Primogenitor: Peregrine The Wanderer
Cognomen: (Prior) The Falcons Imperial, “Nomad Legion”
Observed Strategic Tendencies: Reconnaissance and forward engagements, colonial security, xenos megafauna extermination, death world ecosystem operations
Noteworthy Domains: No designated fiefdoms - fleet based operational structure, inductees selected from spacefaring nomadic populations rendered Compliant.
Alleigance: Legion Est Extincta
The Great Crusade of The Emperor of Mankind represents an era in human history that will forever be remembered as the ultimate display of Humanity’s martial might. The Warrior Race of Terra coalescing into one great strain, bought at dear price with blood and bullet. The insanity and fratrigenocide of the Horus Heresy that followed, and the millennia darker than imagining that came in turn would forever make that the role of the species: Mankind The Warrior.

But perhaps, when speaking in whispers as one must of the damned and forgotten IInd Legion Astartes, it is better to speak of Mankind as it was in the glorious zenith of the Dark Age of Technology, and of the Crusade that sought the heart of that glory. Mankind The Traveller strode the galaxy in that time long forgotten, where in the grim darkness of the 41st Millennium, there is only war.

>>49984416
The Raptors Imperial
The IInd Legion served under the Emperor in His Wars of Unification on Terra as an auxiliary to The Ist while The Legio Primus assembled its characteristic numbers and specialist cadres. In contrast to the sable armour of the Dark Angels, The Raptors Imperial claimed as their Heraldry the pale blue of ancient Terra’s unblemished skies, and the golden yellow of its sun, their icon that of Winged Lightning. Excelling even then in their role, The Falcons Imperial outmatched any of the light forward infantry and skirmishing forces of Terran warlord and technobarbarian clan-chief alike, acting as the hunting hawks of The Emperor and His hosts when they rode to battle. However, it should be noted that the Legion was still very much under production during the Unification Wars, and it was only afterwards with the outset of the Great Crusade that personnel existed in enough numbers and infrastructure was developed to the point that a formal command and operational structure could be established.

Its ranks bolstered from an influx of Terran tehnobarbarian clansfolk and aspirants offered up from the quickly assimilated populations of the Solar System, The Raptors Imperial joined the Crusade in earnest. Though certainly not numbered disproportionately to its brother Legions, and girt with the awesome panoply of war of all the armies of the Astartes, The IInd Legion never comprised more than 100,000 Legionaries even at its peak during the opening days of the Crusade itself.

>>49984447
Thusly the Legion deployed its assets in such a way as to maximize their effect and bring their individual strengths to bear. Ahead of the rolling, roaring flames of Illumination that the main Crusade fleets brought, those ships of legend that bore Horus Lupercal and his hosts, there, ahead of the very vanguard of the forces of the fledgling Imperium Of Man, they could be found. Spread in a wave ahead of the main bulk of Horus’ fleet, never stretching too thin, always a halo of bellicose intent about the very tip of the spear, but never, it would seem, part of its keen and stinging blade or its sturdy haft. It would not be until their Primarch was found, not first but neither last, that The IInd Legion would truly come into its own, and operate as more than simply an accessory to other Legiones Astartes. It was The Nomad Peregrine who taught his Sons who they truly were.

The Prodigal Son
Primarily of interest to The Emperor and the forces of His Great Crusade were settled worlds, human populations adrift in the galaxy, cut off from their species-kin by the warp storms of the Age Of Strife. Less spoken of were the colonial efforts of the Crusade, of the establishment Imperial infrastructure and the seeding of Loyal populations in newly discovered and conquered systems and planetary bodies. These undertakings were the re-settling of the galactic frontier, which had grown wild and untended through the bitter ages of Old Night.

Among the indigenous human cultures of The Solar System during the initial Compliances prosecuted there were found certain nomadic, spacefaring clan-groups dwelling in arcology-colonies rendered into the lithic structure of asteroids making up the Kuiper Belt.

>>49984469
Degenerate to the point of technobarbarianism, they were nonetheless pacified and rendered Compliant. Crusade officials considered the possibility of other degenerate voidborne tribes with little energy, dismissing the possibility of different levels of development amongst them as unlikely, totally ready to bring either Compliance or destruction to any other primitives they found trapped in the brutal existence of life amongst the stars.

They had not reckoned of meeting a culture that maintained such a desperate lifestyle with any modicum of success, not until they encountered The Nomads, and the Lost Primarch of the IInd Legion. Far Galactic North of the Solar System, Expeditionary Fleets led by Horus Lupercal (then not yet Warmaster) and The Emperor Himself encountered a spectacle of wonders to match the untold horrors they had faced. A flotilla, tens of thousands of craft long, each vessel a perfectly engineered arcological structure of supreme efficiency, carved out of the living rock of an asteroid. These habitat-craft represented a master’s work in the crude school employed by the savages of The Kuiper Belt. Led to the main body of this celestial caravan by its IInd Legion Outriders (who had made contact with the flotilla weeks before and returned to their parent fleet with ardent desire to deliver the news), The Expeditionary Fleet was met by a discordant storm of hails and greetings. Representing dozens of pidgin branches of the same common language, the majority of the unencoded messages were entreaties to meet and discuss terms, perplexing offers of immediate Compliance.

>>49984481
Scattered amongst this generally positive reception were proclamations of Clan Histories, and the intent of those individual clans to remain independent and free. Seeming to possess no centralized authority, The Emperor Himself deigned to treat with what seemed to be the most numerous and powerful of the disparate clans of this Nomad nation. On the domed, star-lit surface of the asteroid Audhumblos, The Emperor of Man and his son The Wolf of Luna met with the assembled envoys of the clans.
At their head, flanked by the elite Nomad warriors known as Rangers, clad in the dust-coloured cloak they favoured, strode a figure beyond mere human proportions. Nearly twice the height of his chosen comrades, the apparent leader of the Nomad envoy was instantly recognized by Horus Lupercal as one of his lost brothers, and it was then that it dawned upon the Primarch of the XVIth Legion why The Emperor had seemed so eager to attend upon the greeting party offered up by these voidfarers. A hunting bow the span of three mortal humans was in his hand, the poundage of its draw amplified by arcane kinetic-energy storage systems, arrows the length of power-lances with shaped-charge heads jostled in the quiver hanging from his back. Beneath the hood of his tattered cloak sat a weatherbeaten face, with the grey-shot mane and beard of a man long left in the wilds. The Ranger Lord gave his name as Peregrine The Wanderer, which in turn had been given to him by the warriors who had found and raised him.

>>49984493
(Fuck, I am sorry for the weird formatting, transposing this from Word is making it turn out weird)

Peregrine revealed to The Emperor the cherished desire of his people; to find some permanent home for their myriad clans, and thereby have some chance at setting foot on the ancient homeworld of the species. The Nomads represented a mongrel folk of all manner of migratory voidfarers, all spun around the common thread of their origins. During mankind’s heyday in The Dark Age Of Technology, uncounted asteroid-arcology fleets were seeded throughout the galaxy by the ascendant human cultures that dominated that era.

Not all, however, could take root. The Age of Strife came, The Dark Age ended, and all hope of peaceful settlement on the hidden Edens of the galaxy evaporated in the storms of unreality that plagued the void. It was then that what few colonial-arcology fleets that still maintained tenuous contact banded together, seeking the safety of kin, no matter how far removed in time and genetic drift.

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>>49984507
>The Imperial Rangers followed the Hexagrammic organization of the first legion, each recognised by one of six colourations: Blue, Black, Pink, Yellow, Red and Green

>>49984521
Mighty Morphin Legionaries?

>>49981381
seekers and mos. interceptor ap2 baby.

>>49984410
I've played against my DG friend and he brought just that AND MORTY. It'd be a strong threat as long as it's supported and you have scoring

>>49984507
In the era of The Great Crusade and the Horus Heresy, where the galaxy was shaped by the wills and swords of demigods, it is perhaps difficult to understand the simple desire of these people to touch base to their origins after so many generations, and what the promise of The Great Crusade meant to them. Peregrine swore his service to his Emperor and Creator, and that of his warriors, the Nomad’s Ranger elite. The Clans would follow, each reverencing the strange superhuman that had lived among them with varying degrees of admiration, loyalty, and fear. The Primarch of the IInd Legion was reunited with The Imperium, but he would soon discover that all was not well as it seemed in the cold chambers of the monoliths his adopted people called home.

***

And that's all I have so far. Next on the docket is to cover Peregrine's early life, and a little elaboration on what The Nomads and Ranger s were like. If I'm right as far as style is concerned, it's after going over those elements of the Primarch's history that I can start composing material about Legion operations, structure, and culture.

Sorry again about formatting. Also, here's a tidbit - one of their specialist units.

>>49984410
Depends on the rest of your list really, but it's hard to go wrong with a leviathan

>>49984532
Mighty geneseed rangers.
That is a lot to read in a mobile.

wasn't it rumoured that furibundus dread rules were going to be in Inferno? Any news on that?

>>49984549
The Order Ursus

As all Legions, The Imperial Rangers maintained a stockpile of tactical dreadnaught armour of varying patterns – though due to its favoured battlefield tactics, a preponderance of Tartaros and Indomitus suits could be found in the Legion’s relatively small terminator armoury. As a consequence of its limited number of terminator plate, the relegation of its use to none but the Legion’s elite was even more strictly observed than in other Legions. Few in number were the Voyagers, an order of terminator veterans dispatched on long range cruisers to penetrate into the deepest unknown corners of the galaxy, geared for utter self-sufficiency for years spent in the cold void, and the horror of war waged in its black, airless expanse. But even fewer were The Order Ursus.

Heroes they, who bore the emblem of the bear, protective totem of the ancient tribes of The Homeworld Terra, still reverenced as guardian by the Nomads of Lord Peregrine’s adopted culture. Heroes all: slayers of monsters, tamers of world, guardians of The Children of Man. Formed as a way to honour those of his sons who exemplified the warrior ethic of the Nomad Rangers, The Order Ursus was often utilized by Peregrine as a personal bodyguard, and frequently assigned as honour guard to the Legion’s officers or important figures of its Expeditionary Fleets.

>>49984576
ach of its number, less than a hundred, was the discoverer of an unspoilt habitable world of highest value to the Crusade and its Colonial endeavours, and was awarded Governorship of the colonies they settled there. Clad in the finely wrought suits of the Legion’s small reserves of Cataphractii plate, Ursus Order veterans favoured sets of wargear suited the grinding fury of melee combat’s desperate press. Commonly found in the personal panoply of war of most of The Order Ursus were a distinct pattern of power axe based in design off of the great wood-axes of the Nomad Colonies, a single tool with which a lone mortal man could tame all but the most hellish death-world ecosystems. Weighted to fell both massive xenos arboriforms and megafauna alike, with hooks and serrations on the inner edge serving innumerable fieldcraft purposes, these bearded axes served as both touchstone to the heart of the Legion’s values and culture, as well as handy implements of destruction of their favoured prey.

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And that's everything, with apologies to people currently reading on mobile (>>49984567 sorry mate).

>>49984576
On the Raptor legion led by Peregrine Falco Lombardi, why have the Ordo Bearversor (Ursus).
Is it because they went beyond their right to bear arms and now the have whole Bears?

It's very flowery, but at times said style is making it hard to understand how they actually operate as a military force, for example. Like, in >>49984469
>Spread in a wave ahead of the main bulk of Horus’ fleet, never stretching too thin, always a halo of bellicose intent about the very tip of the spear, but never, it would seem, part of its keen and stinging blade or its sturdy haft.
What does that actually MEAN? I understand you're trying to match the style of the FW books, but I feel dialling back the poetry a little would help the reader understand things a bit better.

How goes mixing weapons in Iron Havoc squad? Like a mix of hvy bolters and autocannons?

>>49984623
>the main bulk of Horus’ fleet, never stretching too thin, always a halo of bellicose intent about the very tip of the spear, but never, it would seem, part of its keen and stinging blade or its sturdy haft.
Is that R.R.Martin's description of Horus' penis?

>>49984623
I'd worried it was getting a bit purple. With the example you're offering, I'm trying to say that they were basically the forward recon for Horus, who was kind of the vanguard for the Crusade. His fleets pressed forward and directly, and they kind of had the "main" body of the Crusade, if you could call it that. The Raptors Imperial would have been a screen of recon forces augmenting any similar forces deployed by that vanguard fleet.

I'll make my next editing session about making things less purple and flowery, getting more to the point. I'll try and think about where to best use that kind of language and when to be more direct.

Thanks for reading and for the feedback, cheers man.

>>49984682
You could link a pastebin instead next time.

>>49984532
>>49984567
Green-seed Bearing Imperial Rangers, wielding Mighty Morphing Power Weapons.

>>49984174
HH book 1 had loyalist WE, it was Istvaan 3 obviously,they even had a character

>>49984712
Well, I'm an idiot.

>>49984682
No worries, hope it came across as constructive criticism rather than I DON'T LIKE THING moaning.

For what it's worth, I'd use more flowery stuff around the emperor, and especially his meeting with peregrine as these reunification moments are pretty mythical with every primarch, and less for pure descriptions of day-to-day operations. I wouldn't drop it entirely though, it's what makes things interesting.

>>49983878
Nope. All Word Bearer units are Traitor only in the new book. You may not use their LA rules to represent a loyalist force, as according to FW, there are no loyalist WB.

>>49984611
Raptor Legion was the Legion's name before the Primarch was reunited with them, like the way the War Hounds became the World Eaters, Dusk Raiders became Death Guard etc.

I wanted to kind of vary the flavours and themes behind the Legion, so for their token terminator elite bodyguard cadre (like Devourers, Deathshroud, Phoenix Guard, etc.) I decided to go with "bear as emblem and heraldry" to fall in line with the fantasy rangers/woodsmen vibe I want the legion to have.

>>49984655
>[FAT PINK MAST INTENSIFIES]

>>49984739
Oh, not at all, I seriously appreciate you actually listening to me ramble about my imaginary spacemen, and giving me a valid bit of advice as to how to make that rambling more bearable. I want the tone of the writing to match that "written history of an epic tragedy in this culture" kind of vibe FW 's work has, but it can't be so purple it's opaque.

>>49983982
Not really. I don't think any of the vehicle kits GW sells have a gun as fat as the Medusa's.

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>>49977368

>>49984717
And they explicitly said there were bands of a shit ton of guys on all sides against each other.

Even IH and SoH fought for the other side.

>>49984736
>>49984715
Chill, nobody is born knowing everything
>>49984769
So, they were the Raptors until they met the Raptor Himself, whereupon they became the Bears? Whatever lets you Sweep Advance at night.
Btw, it's Horus':
Primarch Penis
Daemonic Dick
Fell Phalus
Warped Wiener
Crotch Chainfist
Vhorpal Breedstick
Sicaran Schlong
Etc.

>>49984889
>Vhorpal Breedstick
>Sicaran Schlong
>Fell Phalus
My sides!

Whilst assembling some Gorgon Terminators (no, i don't play IH) I couldn't help but notice how similiar their leg armour and general pose is to Chaos Obliterators. Probably purely coincidenc, but for some reaons I like the idea of the Gorgon armour project running into more and more issues after Ferrus no longer looking after it, some Gorgons get stuck in the warp and become the first Obliterators.

Even the Obliterators' obsession and ability to absorb technology into them fits the profile of turned-chaos Iron Hands.

>IH fans don't hang me plz

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>>49985068
Obliterators were Iron Warriors.

Yet again, our accomplishments are stolen from us.

>>49985068
There's just the Obliterators growing weapons on their hands while Gorgons have a grav gun at best, but sure it could be.
>>49985095
When will FW stop this Sorcerous Shafting, this Forlorn Fornication, this Diabolic Debauchery, this...well, you get the idea.

>>49977368
Barthusa Narek

>>49985137
For the last time, betraying the betrayers doesn't make you a loyalist, only makes you a double traitor

>>49983842
The Horus Heresy Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Legions, pg. 92.

It has some wording about "the rules presented here" only being applicable to Traitor armies. FW is saying that by the time the Age of Darkness was underway there were no Loyalist Word Bearers... but I wonder if it'd be legal to use an older Legions book to run Loyalist WB. The Isstvan Campaign Legions book didn't have a Traitor-only limitation. Is the book legal, though? Can you use it to run an army set at Isstvan? The way they're naming the books (i.e. chronologically) suggests that could, but if they were written to work with an older edition of 40k then it'd be a bad idea.

Were the primarchs first to become daemons (in 30k era traitors), or were there others during the Heresy or its aftermath that were raised to daemonhood before them?

>>49985237

Supposedly Genghis Khan got turned into a demon prince.

>>49985188
Legally, I don't think so, seeing as it's newer material. Sort of like how the Build-Land-Raider is no longer legal since the Explorator is in the rules of the new Mechanicum army book.

>>49985237
Angron was the first Daemon Primarch, but by no means the first man-to-Daemon.

>>49984813
Sure, but Word Bearers that left the Traitor side don't get to use Word Bearer rules anymore. Their legions rules, wargear, and Rites of War include True Believers, Burning Lore, Tainted Weapons, and The Dark Brethren - those are very much Traitor-only.

You can still paint loyalist Word Bearers, but you have to use generic legion or Blackshield rules.

>>49985287
I thought you just ditch burning lore tainted weapons and keep true believers and the ashen circle.

From which book was this again?

My red book doesn't list this.

>>49985257
Daemon Primarchs are just regular Daemon Princes though aren't they?

>>49985331
>>49985188

>>49985331
The newest version of the red book with the lgion lists in it has a section specifically stating WB rules cannot be used to represent loyalist WBs, as there are none.

>>49985331
Age of Darkness Legions. The rules listed there only allow the use of Traitor Word Bearers.

>>49985346
Unsure. Maybe?

>>49985377
I think it's a bit of a debate whether daemon primarchs are different to daemon princes

I suppose with the release of daemon magnus there probably is a difference, and not to mention daemon angron has achieved some serious shit

>>49982345
that wasn't even me. but I don't care I'm running them all as chainaxes.

>>49985251
Didn't know Genghis Khan took part in the Horus Heres.

>>49985257
>by no means the first man-to-Daemon

Of course not.

I'm just wondering about all the traitors during the Heresy, who dabbled in the dark arts and who have the Daemon special rule on them. Like none of them did anything that got them elevated into daemonhood before the primarchs?

>>49985346
>>49985410
Daemon Primarchs are at the top of the Daemon hierarchy
Daemon Princes are like Praetors/ Chapter Masters

>>49985237
Grulgor (or whatever his name was, death guard dude that became the embodiment of the life eater) may be the first to become a daemon, he ascended on the Eisenstein, between Isstvans III and V.

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>>49985441
>at the top

Still playing second fiddle.

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>>49984811
I already have a WE + Wb force based on the books but with the custodes I can do The First Heretic, just need to remember what the beep boops were

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Anyone else scared to paint their primarch, in fear of fucking it up completely? Pic related

>>49985428
Diabolists are Daemons, just not Daemon Formerly Known As Princes

>>49985543
He looks like he doesn't know if he should continue the Heresy because of someone stupidity. Probably another Angron moment.

I am getting 10 MkIII to join my AL from BoP and I have absolutely no idea what to use them for. I could just use them as vets and call it a day, but I don't know. Feels weird.

>>49985452
Did he ascend? I got the impression he simply got possessed by a greater daemon?

>>49984027
Also note how Endryd is a World Eater, not a Word Bearer like the Anon who first mentioned him claimed

>>49985543
I like how he is painted, but the pose looks like he is pointing at something and shruging.

>>49985467
They're all CEO's
Some of them are CEO's of a "Google"
>Belakor
Some are CEOs of "Enron"
>Magnus

>>49985543
>Mfw I see the warp overtaking them and I'm not sure if it is a good pain.

>>49985572
MkIII is pretty fluffy for heavy weapons squads if you need some of them

Maybe a support squad with flamers or chargers to represent some kind of zone mortalis unit?

>>49985580
He's saying we could find someone from a Traitoris Perdita legion who is a loyalist because he wasn't with the bulk of the legion.
It could be an Imperial Herald.

>>49985605
Thanks. That was other idea, kit them with either metas or culverins (calivers?, the heavy volkite), but I would have to order from FW and I don't really want to do so until I have a bigger list of shit to buy.

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>>49985595
Might just be the angle of the shot

>>49985543
>"You really think someone would do that, just go and claim to be the false Emperor?"

>>49985543
yeah its the reason I don't have mine yet im afraid to paint his face

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>>49984682
Kek

>>49985579
The impression I got was he was still grulgor, rather than being overtaken by another personality like jubal-samus or argel tal when raum comes to the fore. Been a while since I read the book though.

>>49985650
Yeah, now looks much better. However, while I understand he is trying not to lightning claw his leg, he still looks funny. But that's just the model, your mini looks cool as shit. I am still waiting for Alpharius, but that won't happen until the have released at least Magnus (and Dorn, and Omegon, and the Lion, and Sangi...)

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Thank god for the pound being in the shitter

>>49985543
Just buy chinaman versions and pint those until you get a feel for it

Ive got 3 Fulgrims

>>49985884
What is this, a picture for legomen?

>>49984635
If anything mix two extremes, like heavy bombers and lascannons.

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>>49985358
>>49985356
>>49985377

Shit.

Thank you.

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>>49985938

>>49985543
Yeah, his face looks amazing.

Good work, also do I spy non metallic "gold" there?

>>49986010
Ps:
Looks really old school in general, the light blueish black as well.