/STG/ Star Trek General

>>49935123
That song is addictive

>>49935123
I wish this thread had been Space Suit Dave Innatubes Edition.

>>49935303
We need a good pic for that. Is someone enough of a drawfriend to make what is essentially a veteran, robust Space Station 13 character as a Starfleet officer in a spacesuit, innatubes?

>>49935374
I've got something for that, give me a little while.

>>49935123
What the fuck, that isn't Brent spiner?

>>49935761
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bl5TUw7sUBs

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Jetfreak's explanation for why he likes the Ambassador so much.
>It makes the Galaxy look fat.

>>49935761

Dats Pogo

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Paramount/Universal/Whoever rings you up. They want you to outline for them a reboot of Star Trek: Voyager. You get to pick who plays Janeway, Paris and the Doctor, all other casting is in the air. They still have to go to the Delta Quadrant, but the rest of the outline is for you to design.

What do you change? Which characters do you remove? What is different thematically?

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>>49936539
>Paramount/Universal/Whoever rings you up.
>They want you to outline for them a reboot of Star Trek: Voyager.
Nope.

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>>49936539

>>49936539
Janeway: Sigourney Weaver
Paris: Michelle Rodriguez (if they'll let me pull an R63) or Joel David Moore.
The Doctor: Robert Picardo. Yes, I know he did it last time. I picked him because he was the best in that clusterfuck. If I can't get him, the deal's off.

>>49936539
Ship gets stranded as before.

Janeway is chief of security rather than captain so she can be mama-bear character without swinging into paranoid warlord territory ever other breath. She does everything by the book, no exceptions, no compromise.

Captain is her old mentor whom she greatly respects. Lets call him Captain Ahab because I'm an unimaginative turd.

Chakotay becomes first officer but this time rather than have him be a cardboard Injun stereotype actually have he be from an named native American tribe. Consult at least one member of that tribe to make sure that you aren't fucking up the character too badly. Don't play panpipe music every time it's his scene.

Tuvok is Captains Ahab's BFF rather than Janeways.

Kes is another Talaxian. There are no Ocampa. Fucking stupid idea.

Neelix has seen some shit. The cheerful facade is what he puts on to stop the rest of the crew expecting to find him hanging from the rafters. He's a deserter. He did 15 years of the nuclear war all day every day with Somme at weekends. Every night he gets to relive the moment when he found his family home after he ran away from the front lines and saw what chard remains that were of his parents and siblings. Kes is his wife. They jointly own their crap little ship and salvage business. Kes does the negotiating, Neelix is the salvage king.

Be'lana is full Klingon and highly traditionalist member of her culture. That culture being of one of the sparsely populated southern continent of Q'onoS. Mostly arable farmers. Never recognized the sovereignty of Kahless. Hold true to old pagan gods. Might make you think of Klingon Amish.

Tom Paris is more of a scamp, has a usual cell in the brig and never gets promoted because he isn't an officer. He was only on the ship because it's part of his community service. Also has a still in his quarters that security keep a blind eye to because he shares his moonshine freely. Also runs semi-legal gambling games.

>>49936961
>Neelix is a ravaged, destroyed person
>Tom is basically Quark
I approve.

>>49936961
>has a usual cell in the brig and never gets promoted because he isn't an officer
this is the way it always should have been. he can fuck off with commander burrito

>>49936539
I hang up.

>>49936961
Why would Klingon Amish become a starship engineer?

>>49936961
Harry Kim isn't an officer and has no interest in becoming one. He wanted to be a starship designer but nobody will take him seriously until he's done a few year living on one. Suffers from bout's of chronic depression.

Tuvok is 2nd in command of the security. Gets promoted to chief of security when Janeway becomes captain.

7 of 9 never really learns how to become human. Too long in the Collective. Has to keep working to block out the terrible loneliness and the quiet whilst at the same time is terrified of the Borg and considers rejoining the Collective not unakin to death.

Doctor would be a blank mannequin when not activated. When activated projectors in the body make the illusion of a person. Can't leave the ship because his brain is in the wall of sickbay and the transmission range for that density of data is not great. Can go anywhere he wants on the ship so long as it's not next to any strong magnets.

First season would primarily be trying to rebuild the semi-derelict Voyager whilst fending off Kazon and trying to negotiate for spare parts. Neelix lets them take his entire inventory, his ship and his services so long as they let him and Kes come with them. He hates his home space. Most of the shit in his shop is worthless but they accept the deal because he is very good cook.

Rest of the Talaxians find out about them and their kickass ship fighting off Kazon capital ships despite the maiming the Caretaker gave it. Talaxians have no home planet. They have a few old military bases and The Fleet in Exile trying to defend the old civilian outposts against constant Kazon raids and the gradual march of other Empires moving in and forcing them out or outright genociding them. They are dying. In 200 years they believe they will be all but extinct. Captain of Voyager tells them that the Federation would probably give them settlement rights on an uncolonized world if they world if they could make it there.

>>49935123
I really need to see pogo do just a data video. He nailed it.

>>49937191
Interesting. So Doctor would no longer be a full on hologram? Just basically a disembodied android? Won't that make him retread even more ground in his arc that Data did then before?

His incorporeal nature and being stuck in sickbay for the better part of the series were kind of defining aspects of his character. A feeling of powerlessness, but at the same time a sense of invincibility when compared to the organics.

I certainly think it could be done well though. On the condition that his un-projected mannequin form rests deeply in the uncanny valley. Maybe have his projectors stop working once or twice. Nothing actually wrong with him just has to go about business looking like that for a bit.

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>>49936539
Lawless is Janeway, Reynolds is Paris and Ayoade as the Doctor.

Not sure what I'll do exactly but it will be in the NuTrek timeline because I don't see the point in rehashing in prime. I'd be sure to have someone else have editorial veto though for scripts/plans. The production meetings should be interesting.

Also, retcon NuTrek Catians back into Prime Catians maybe add more hair like M'ress.

>>49937106
Alright then, Amish inspired in that her society has strict gender roles, is highly traditional to the point of stagnation, dresses very modestly and is devoutly religious.

>>49937191
Next thing they know the entire Fleet in Exile is parked around Voyager, they've got a shit load of cargo haulers rebuilt into traveling stasis galleries and they've packed 95%+ of the entire Talaxian population into the ships.

Fuck it all they say. Fuck it all we are coming with you. There's noting left for them here.

Voyager sets off at the head of a fleet. Travel is slow becasue of crap primitive ships following them.

All the while there is constant brewing trouble with Captain Ahab ,who is going nuts because he can't cope, and his loyalists and Chakotay and his motley crew. Captain Ahab does a lot of fucked up things but it all comes to a boil when he cold blooded murders Tuvix to get Tuvok and Neelix back.

Running fire fights across all decks, Be'Lana refuses to pick a side and just one punch K.O.s anybody that gets shooty in the engine room. Seriously, that is a barely contained matter/anti-matter explosion in a bottle. It doesn't care who gets the big chair. It will kill everybody regardless of allegiance. Get the fuck out of her Reactor Pit.

Crew fighting with phasers on stun because nobody is quite sure what the minimum number of people it is that can run this ship indefinitely given how new it is. Also they have gotten to know one another a little and although they aren't friends yet they don't particularly want to kill them.

Doctor treating all sides because he is a healer and he chooses no side. Also he's programmed to heal everybody but he claims he would have chosen to even if he wasn't programed.

Eventually its a stand off on the bridge. Evenly numbered on both sides, everybody pointing weapons at every body.

>>49937106
Same reason any Klingon would. To get to space to kill things. She was in the Maquis to kill Cardassians. Now she's stuck on Voyager and they don't kill as much, but if she doesn't keep that engine running she'll never get to kill again.

>>49937457
So...Trek-themed BSG, then?
I also love the whole "mutiny, BUT" shit that's bolted on, particularly about B'Elanna and the Doc

>>49937414
His projection flickers. He was experimental technology when they set off and shit was never finished properly. Also he has no belief that he is a person. Data did.

Some of the crew believe he is but he would inform them that they are wrong.

Also being new and largely untested technology that was never even designed to run for extended time it becomes apparent that he is going senile quite earlier on than before but instead of it being an over and done with in one episode thing it would be a creeping doom that gradually strips him of his personality and kills him by inches. Like Alzheimer's disease.

It's not until the end of season 2 that they try and patch him back together by cut and pasting the EMH Diagnostic Tool Hologram's program into him. Then the question becomes not is he self aware or just reacting in complex ways but; is he a self aware program or two programs that are merely aware of each other and extrapolate new ways of reacting to outside stimulus in increasingly complex ways? And is there a difference between that and, for example, Tom Paris?

>>49937457
Next episodes starts with Tuvok sitting in the brig alone. Then Chakotay comes in and stands there for a moment before asking "why?"

Then the flash back starts of the battle form Tuvok's PoV.

It ends with him standing behind Cpt. Ahab and sees Cpt. Ahab's phasor is set to kill. Tuvok fzzzzzzts him in the back of the head, even on stun a shot there at that range is fatal and given his training there is no way he did not know that. "It was the only logical option left".

>>49937642
>And is there a difference between that and, for example, Tom Paris?
>Holding Tom as the standard of humanity to compare artificial beings against.
Think Doc has a chance.

>>49937446
>Lawless is Janeway
Nice cast.

>troll thread set up by our "friends" in the Star Wars thread
>people sincerely discussing Voyager
Truly this is the darkest timeline. Someone make a proper /STG/ please.

>>49937642
Janeway become Captain Janeway because she was the highest ranking officer left of the Starfleets and also the SF loyalists have majority of technical experts. Also she was the one who ordered her security teams to set weapons to stun. Also Chakotay knows full well that his crew still respect his judgement and if he accepts her as Captain they will follow suit and they might all make it home if they act sensible.

Janeway's over-arching plot is that she gradually learns that it's okay to bend the rules sometimes. Chakotay's gradually learns how to put on the Starfleet uniform again and that the Federation is not evil incarnate.

Tuvok is given job of Chief of Security chief on the premise that he is utterly impartial given that he just killed his BFF on the grounds of logic, reason and law. Also if worst comes worst and someone shanks him they just pic option 2 later anyway. To an extent he also learns to compromise and gradually learns how to be a tolerant person in a society where shit doesn't always go by the rules.

Is never resolved if the Doctor is sapient or not. In the end the crew reason that if he isn't he's doing such a good imitation that it probably makes no difference.

7 of 9 never acclimatizes. When they eventually find the Borg children in the broken cube they form a miniature collective of their own. It's not a perfect solution but madness for her and the children would have come eventually alone. In any case it's not full psychological assimilation. They can hear each others thoughts but have not direct influence over each other.

Kim suddenly gets over his depression with no explanation turns out he asked 7 of 9 to assimilate him into her collective. She did. Janeway went ballistic when she found out.

Be'lanna eventually fulfills her dream and goes back to Q'onoS and starts a family of her ownwith that Vulcan engineer. Her time among the stars only made her want more the life she had left behind.

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>>49937642
Alright, definitely a bit more refined than the last shot you did at this. Nelix in this is definitely a better character, Kes has more potential for being useful outside of doctor's assistant, the addition of a trailing fleet is interesting, I have a feeling that it will absolutely need to be rapidly downsized though, not necessarily violently.
Give Starship Designer Kim something to work with in some sort of salvage and construction operation (on a time limit) to get them few larger, better ships instead, or rig up some sort of cluster-vessel.

And because there's opportunity for actually doing interesting stuff once they get back home, would be worth planning for that to happen in fewer than seven seasons. Or do time-skips every now and again to just skip stuff like a couple years of uneventful travel here and there.

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>>49931340
>>49931344
>>49931349
>TFW it feels like a Q was drunk moment and then a sober Q said 'WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING Q' and then nobody was war criminals.
Because it never happened
>but Q.
>BECAUSE IT NEVER HAPPENED, DON'T MAKE ME REPEAT MYSELF!

>>49937909
Paris never becomes a model citizen. Fuck that. Opens a casino on Earth Space Dock. Booze, women, fame/notoriety and fortune.

Neelix and Kes and most of the Talaxians make it to federation space and the Federation does indeed give them settlement right on a world they had earmarked for colonization. A little close to the Klingon border for most citizens liking but the Klingons and the Talaxians had a lot of common ground and they got along really well.

Neelix wasn't being paranoid. The Talaxian military was after him. He ha let his sash with all his accolade marks behind when he ran away. He did 15 years of hell, probably more than any other Talaxian had ever endured before he broke. They never blamed him for running. It took nearly 4 years into the voyage for them to put all his lies together and figure out who he was. As a decorated war hero with extensive dealings with the humans and vulcans he is made the representative of their people.

Janeway and Tuvok eventually do become great friends. They stay on Voyager to presumably have badass adventures. 7, Kim and the little collective also remain if only because they have nowhere else to go. Also they want to touch that horizon again.

Doctor stays aboard because he has no reason to leave. Curiosity does not drive him.

Chakotay leaves without ceremony or permission. His movements afterwards were pieced together and it's most probable he went back to his world and was never heard from again by the Federation.

>>49937915
It would be a good idea to have them skip the dull months. Perhaps have a distance from earth counter in corner at the start of each episode or some shit to give an indication that they are making progress in terms of distance off screen.

Also maybe a whole bunch of the Talaxians decided to settle on a nice empty world in the middle of nowhere that they encountered along the way.

No violence or anything just waking the civilians up so they can calmly divide into two camps, those staying and those carrying on.

Also Voyager over the course of the journey would get more and more beat up. Patched together from different metals, and traded components it would not be the same ship that gets back to Earth.

>>49938288
>Perhaps have a distance from earth counter in corner at the start of each episode or some shit to give an indication that they are making progress in terms of distance off screen.
A whiteboard in Janeway's office with the time left until they reach Earth written on it? When they find a wormhole they reduce the time in a celebratory manner, when a goodwill mission sets them back they forlornly increase the count...

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>>49938404
Did you mean: naval officers shouting at each other about convoluted lore (in SPEHSS)?

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>>49938404
Like Battlestar Galactica?

Fuck no. Holy fucking shit no.

Thank's Anon I had almost drunk the memory of that shit remake into oblivion. Holy fucking shit it was awful.

The less form that anyone takes away other than a cautionary tale and a "how not to do it" guide the better.

Thanks for reminding me of that you twat.

I'm going to drink the Potion of Forgetfulness now.

>>49938468
It's not that convoluted if you have a passing familiarity with the ancient Greek texts.

>>49938542
>hating on the BSG remake
>drinking blended whisky
You have some shit taste in television there friend... But I suppose one is as one consumes.

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>>49938579
I drink that foul swill to forget shit, sure as fuck not for the taste.

Are you telling me you watched BSG past season 2 and though it was good?

>>49938552
Contrary to >filename implications, it wasn't the Gods of Kobol and related shit that confused me - it was constant plot-weaving and selfreferencing that they built the entire plot arc on in later seasons. The final five, the hybrid, the cylon rebellion, jimi fucking hendrix - I had to pore over the wiki and rewatch a whole batch of episodes to even start to make sense of it.

>>49938542
Hey, just saying that this is what you're rapidly turning your VOY Reboot into. Not that it couldn't do with some internal conflict a la Galactica. Just not to the point that the show becomes "People Yelling At Each Other, And Occasionally The Original Bad Guys Show Up And Be A Threat When We Run Out Of Ideas" [See: TWD]

>>49938542
>all the Scotch to choose from
>all the blends even
>Famous Grouse

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>>49938669
I hadn't realized it was starting to sound like that.

If anything I was worried it might start to turn into Firefly on a larger scale.

I have no valid picture for this now, only sadness. Have a retro sci-fi pic.

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>>49935374
>>49935303
why do something well when you can make it shabby as all hell?

>>49938857
For when you're too classy to spend your $8 on vodka

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>>49939054
Not a bad start anon but I think it needs a bit more The Stig to be honest.

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>>49935303
>>49935374
>>49935720
We're eagerly anticipating it, anon.
>>49939054
>>49939252

First adventures of Lt. Dave "Space Suit" Innatubes have been prepared and preserved in the traditional format, with a twist of Pumpkin Spice because it's halloween time.

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>>49939833
It's beautiful.

>>49939833
Ayyyy I made it into the cap

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>>49936961
>Also has a still in his quarters that security keep a blind eye to because he shares his moonshine freely.
>Also runs semi-legal gambling games.

So....pic related then

>>49937813
We did what we had to anon - what we always do.
We take fail and turn it into a fighting chance of win.

>>49939833
Space suit Dave needs a girl, someone as fucked up as him that keeps him from slipping too far in either direction.

Maybe Shuttlepod Anne, an LT in command of the minor backup shuttlebay that has taken residence up in the never used shuttle docked there because it's safer than her room, and if the ship loses power, her shuttle is powered independently and she's still safe. They can have nice talks, with dave just inside the shuttle bay's jeffries tube exit and Anne sitting in the entrance of her shuttle, passing things between them with a long stick with a net on the end.

>>49939879
>>49939897
Heh, okay, I'll give you another, then I'll get back to writing awkward, breathtaking, nervous superhuman sistercest exploration.

>> Engineering to Lt. Innatubes; Dave, have you been lairing near the Turbolift Maintenance Hub recently?
>> Innatubes to Engineering: No, I'm camping out at least two hundred meters away from the Lift Hub. Why?
>> Three members of the turbolift maintenance detail haven't reported in since the end of their shifts and the computer can't find them. We thought maybe they tripped your outer perimeter and were sleeping off the anesthazine.
>> I'll check it out. God knows if you call security, then I'll just have to rescue three engineers and an entire squad of redshirts. If they're fucking off playing D&D down the tubes and chucked their commbadges so nobody could find them, I'm returning them in their skivvies.
>> Fair enough, Dave. Engineering out.

> Derp your way towards the Transporter Maintenance Depot.
> Open a hatch, look through.
> Everything is wet black chiton as far as the eye can see.
> NOPE! Nope, nope, fucking NOPE.
>> I've played the Xenomorph: Isolation holonovel, I know how this shit works.
> Huck a prepared electroplasma grenade on a motion sensor down that hatch, shut + weld the hatch shut.

> Derp ass as fast as possible to the nearest transporter room.
> Drop down behind the transporter chief.
>> Son, shit's getting real and I need the transporter to fix it.
>> Just go sit in the corner and I'll stun you, they won't be able to say you derilected your duty by surrendering the transporter to the paranoid nut in the tubes.
> Transporter chief thinks about it for a moment, walks over to the corner, sits down, is duly stunned.
> cont.

>>49940152
How about someone in the Medical staff that sort of looks after him? Like a doctor or nurse that he come to whenever he needs something dealt with. She's basically the only person he holds full conversations with so the captain encourages it to make sure Dave doesn't full-on crazy and turn on the crew.

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>>49940152
Or the nice lady in the science labs.

The only one left from when he joined the crew. The only person left who knows what he looks like.

the only mortal to have seen inside the fortress that is his home. When he makes his music he makes it for her

>>49940232
>awkward, breathtaking, nervous superhuman sistercest exploration
I need this almost as much as I need Innatubes. You are forgiven, anon, so long as we get to see the finished product there too.

>>49940232
>> Computer: Catalogue all internal motion sensor contacts aboard the ship. Remove any contacts wearing a Commbadge. Remove any contacts whose life signs correspond strongly to known civilian passengers and family members.
> No contacts big as or bigger than a human. Good, there's still time to contain this outbreak.

> Transporter controls online: Targeting: Motion Sensors. Target scope: All contacts in current sensor sweep. Begin locking contacts.
> Transporter locks complete.
> Transporter safeties override.
> Transporter NETWORK override: Lock in all transporter rooms, all emergency transporters, all shuttlecraft and runabout transporters, all cargo transporters.
> Beam all presently-locked contacts into space, not bothering to materialize them coherently.

>> Well, that was scary. It's not over yet.
> Go back Innatubes, back to home base.
>> Bridge to Innatubes: what the HELL did you just do, Lieutenant? Why was my cat just beamed into space?!
>>> You forgot about the pets?
>>> No. No you didn't. Fuck Commander Fluffles. Lt. Commander Fishy McFishFace deserved that promotion.

>> Xenomorphs, sir. No telling what the facerapers have infested. That transporter stunt will have cleared out any mobile facerapers and xenomorphs. I'm going to deal with the nest now.
> No point in telling them earlier.
> They would have just sent redshirts into the tubes and gotten them infested.
> You wear a spacesuit. Turns out, it's not some fragile piece of 21st-century crap, your helmet CAN resist a faceraper.
> Tool up with electroplasma flamethrower, compression phaser pistol, regular phaser and all the electroplasma grenades you can carry.
> Time for a clean-up job.

> Honestly, you've gotta do everything around here.

>>49940287
I see what you spoiled there - i'll bite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5dhyiqhR7Y

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>>49940152
>>49940258
>>49940287
I like all of these. Especially Ensign Hips, she's fucking saved.
So, why not all of these?

Maybe this spacewhale is rapidly becoming Starfleet's clearinghouse for neurotic and otherwise socially atypical crew, who get piled together because they Get Shit Done. Hi, Lt. Commander Chief Engineer Reginald Barclay!
Make it Space Station 13 in starship form.

>>49940303
Well, if you want, here's the link to Chapter 1: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eDvmeO3zMLkQ5_kqYfch5FEClCTcqCTjd0frVbRHh2E/edit
Chapters 1 and 2 are finished, 3 is WIP, but accessible. All chapters may be commented upon by all and sundry.

>>49940455
I wasn't even aiming for that.

I just wanted Space Suit Dave to have one thing in his life that he trusted and knew wasn't going to turn on him.

Also he plays the accordion, possibly one of the least romantic instruments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrieZ0Wd1N8

>>49940470
>Maybe this spacewhale is rapidly becoming Starfleet's clearinghouse for neurotic and otherwise socially atypical crew, who get piled together because they Get Shit Done. Hi, Lt. Commander Chief Engineer Reginald Barclay!

OH FUCKING HELL YES!

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>>49939054
>>49939252
Non-artist here, throwing my doodle in the pot

>diy crossbow and bastard sword
>disruptor blast burnt off his helmet's identification tag, he's just referred to as "Dave"

>>49940779
Any Dave is good Dave

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>>49941156
>>49941156
Agreed. What kind of suit should he have? I think that a semi-rigid tight suit would make sense, but the helmet should be treated as a Noh mask deal, where it can express a whole range of emotions just with body language and head tilts. Master Chief's motocross helmet is a good example, considering that Chief in Halo and Caboose in RvB look identical, but a neutrally-disposed physique allows the body to believably lighthearted and cartoonish, as well as merciless and badass.

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>>49939054
This is about the limit of my abilities.

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>>49941422

>>49941422
I figure the point is that he's basically impossible to read. Like the stig.

>>49935123
what happens to garak after Empok Nor?

>>49941528
How do you mean? I think other than Nog no longer trusting him and O'Brien thinking he's a nutbag, not much.

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>>49937813
>/tg/
>not turning crap and/or trolling into gold
How new are you?

>>49941657
does he just go unpunished for murdering that engineer? i understand he was under the effects of psychoactive drugs but still

>>49941797
Yeah, I think "turned into a psychotic killing machine by ambient drugs" is actually a fairly common defence when it comes to disciplinary hearings within the Federation.

>>49941797
>>49941888

I imagine Garak's not happy about what happened.
I mean, him, a trained, professional killer, a member of the Obsidian Order, reduced to a raving megalomaniacal killcrazy psychopath by fucking drugs.

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>>49936539
Mulgrew and Ryan switch roles. S6-7 McNeil is Tom, everyone else is the same actor.
Janeway is a relatively young, ambitious sci officer that got nepotism'd into the captain's chair when her old captain became an admiral (basically all his old command staff got ships way earlier than they probably should have). She's inexperienced in having such a large command, but wants it bad (no one joins Starfleet to not become a captain, after all) and has been studying all command manuals and advice books possible. It's actually kinda fortunate for her that half her crew dies on the first mission, since that makes things much more manageable.
Seven joins the crew a lot earlier (first five eps for sure). She was one of the colonists that got scoop'd at J-25, and has been in the collective for the better part of a decade. While Picard was only part of the collective for a few days, and thus able to get out relatively unscathed save for some nightmares, Seven had her personality completely overwhelmed, and she basically has to start from scratch (including her hair - none of this instantly long hair stuff). Some memories and such will come back over the course of several years, but she will never fully recover. She also gets a uniform from the start.
Paris served his whole sentence, was reformed, and rejoined Starfleet. However, he will never get above Lt. unless he's hero-tier (which he won't be). He still has a bit of an attitude, but he's not the rebel - nor a wunderkind. He's the main pilot.
Harry is a forever ensign because he has no ambition. He's not part of the command crew, but is a part of the ensemble as Tom's backup pilot and protege. Tom tries to get him to live a little, get out and play holodeck games and hockey, go out with the DeLaney sisters, etc., but Harry mostly just wants to design shuttles and brood about how his fiance is probably on Earth screwing other guys. Harry actually is the one that does the bulk of the work on the Delta Flier.

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Ok, anons all this sounds good but how do we make it more epic?!
>OH FUCK IT WE HAVE COME THIS FAR WHY NOT GO ALL THE WAY!
>These are the voyages of starship Soyokaze. It's intrepid and some say inept Captain Justy Ueki Tylor. Lead a band of misfits on a mission of unknown length. To who knows where and to meet who knows what. And may whatever gods they worship have mercy on their souls whoever crosses their path. To boldly go where nobody in their right minds would ever want to go.

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>>49942198
The Doctor is pretty much the same, but he doesn't act like his hologram is actually him. He doesn't actually look at sensors, padds, etc. because those aren't his eyes, duh. He will look at patients and act like a normal doctor because he's programmed with bedside manner (even if he is kinda a prick), not because he actually needs to. He can't leave the hologram areas of the ship (which will gradually be added to over the course of the series, because having your one doctor locked in one or two rooms is retarded), at least until he gets his mobile emitter, but he can copy his personality into a tricorder to go on away missions and stuff, and can access ship's sensors and speakers for whatever purpose as necessary.
Nelix actually acts like he has the backstory they gave him in S1: a broken, shamed coward that covers it up with a used-car salesman facade.
Kes and the Ocampans are pretty much the same, except none of this "only reproduce once" crap. It turns out the Ocampans used to be almost Ancient-tier back thousands of years ago, and were on the verge of ascending, but their AI Caretaker basically destroyed their civilization and killed almost everyone but a small amount of children, which it then nerfed into the crazy-limited ayys that we all know and hate. There's a dampening field around their planet (which the Caretaker roasted to keep the Ocampans from leaving their caves), which will stay on for a while, but without the Caretaker dealing with those few that escape every so often, the Ocampans will eventually rise to be a galactic menace again. That species that enslaved the Kazon were the few Ocampa that escaped the Caretaker's purge. They had a shipyard that basically spits out ships stupidly fast, but of course the Kazon can't work it properly, and with their slavemasters gone, they just nig out, as we know.

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>>49942405
The Maquis join the crew pretty easily, just like in the actual show: they only were against Starfleet because Starfleet was fighting them (and many of them were former Starfleet anyways). With no spoonheads to oppress them, they fall in line easily. Chuckles isn't an Injun, but he can still have a tatoo, why not? Tuvok's wife is Sakonna, which is why he was able to infiltrate the Maquis so easily and get to a high position so quickly. Tuvok is the first officer, and Chakotay is chief of security.
As far as story changes, of course they encounter the Borg far earlier, but much less often. The ship doesn't get mysteriously repaired every week, but it doesn't go full Equinox either, since they actually stop and get repairs with different aliens and trade for more than small stuff. There would be a big travel thing at the end of the season (like the transwarp, slipstream, etc.) that would get the ship way closer to home...and these would be the only times the ship makes big jumps. There would be a new set of recurring space empires every season, with the Borg and perhaps Voth being overarching antagonists (since the big jumps wouldn't mean anything to them).

>>49942397
>The Captain is an old Vulcan that has given up on emotional control and is prone to emotional outbursts
>Ships counselor is a full blooded Klingon matriarch from an exiled house. She solves all psychological issues with a rough slap or combat.
>First Officer is an Orion with mechanically deactivated pheromones. She can turn them back on for interrogations, escaping Romulan capture and when she's off ship and off duty. She somehow manages to get official uniforms in D-cuts and miniskirts.
>Chief medical officer is a human augment. He legitimately graduated Starfleet by keeping his papers purposefully stuck in the quagmire of bureaucratic hell until he graduated. Starfleet can't fire him since he didn't actually lie at any point and it's their own fault he made it through anyways. May be subtly augmenting the crew in various ways when they come in with serious injuries.
>Chief Security Officer "Jitters". A small, fearful man that plans for every outcome in the belief that they will absolutely happen. He understands Dave is a necessity and would probably be in there with him if he didn't have a job to do.
>Chief of Engineer: Keith. Keith actually graduated Starfleet with a Liberal Arts degree and was placed in Engineering by accident. Keith doesn't know fuckall about warp drives but man can he fake it and order his staff around whatever he can't figure out.
>Special guest: Oolok. Oolok is a Horta that unlike other of his kind, wanted to see the universe. He has been on an extended vacation across the Federation. One day, Oolok got drunk off some fine quality marble and passed out only to awake months later as the centerpiece of the ships meeting room table. He wasn't too happy about being mistaken for a piece of art and now wanders the ship unseen and causing mischief as his revenge.

>>49940024
Well, since Tom wouldn't be an actual officer, he wouldn't be the helmsman, so he'd actually have time to actually be the Doctor's medic/sardonic+lazy sidekick.

...I'm liking this more and more.

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So what kind of star ship should our band of misfits have?

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>>49944586
One of these. I can't recall what it's called, or where it came from. But one of these.

>>49944659
>Navigation is convinced it's a space station and keeps pulling it into a parking orbit and turning off the engines and broadcasting that docking ports are now open to the local area.

>>49937813
Any /STG/ is a good Star Trek general.

>>49944685
That's perfect, then. A ship that bloody big has plenty of space for the likes of Lt. Dave "Space Suit" Innatubes, Lt. Runabout Anne, Ensign Hips, Lt. Commander Reginald Barclay, and all the rest of the misfits.

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>>49944659
What about some sort of Constellation-saucer twin-hull Constitution? The thick saucer would give Dave tubes in all directions most of the time, but have enough bottlnecks and such for more encounters with the crew and other problematic ship systems.

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>>49936539
Have the Equinox arrive during one of the seasons and have it stay for a whole season. Get to know the characters and slowly build up the differences between the two captains and ships. Chakotay can even serve as the PoV for a few episodes, to highlight the differences and show the divide between captains. The season finale involves the differences coming to a head and the Equinox is destroyed.

Neelix's personality needed to be gutted. Either he's a cheerleader, a cook, or a trader...not all three.

Make Ensign Kim get screen time on the throwaway episodes by having him familiarize himself with ships systems at a hands on level. He can grow with the viewers and establish the main storytelling areas. He may not be a bad ass but he'll feel like a cross between O'Brien and LaForge, trying to do his best but in the end he's an Ensign.

Seven's character was fine but needed less 'Seven learns a lesson' and more 'Seven tries to interpret the Prime Directive but it's different than Janeway's Interpretation for X reasons'

Paris needs to be less of an every man. Pilot, Medic, <insert topic here> Buff, Away Team Person, Engineer... they could have given some of this to another character. I'd love to see Pilot + Engineer interact with a token away team person who is also an Engineer. It would flesh out Paris and why he was in jail more than just one little thing.

Janeway needed to turn down the God Complex slightly. Some more introverted stories where you could do a 'what if' on some of the gray area decisions she's made.

>>49942813
Perfect but for already that we have claimed Reginald Barclay as Chief Engineer.

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So, what does /stg/ think of the idea of the Loknar here being basically a dedicated tank? This bitch has FOUR shield generators, all of the same size as the Miranda's one. It has fewer phasers, though, and it has more torpedoes upfront but only one in the rear.

So I see this thing as a Miranda-weight ship which is heavily skewed towards fighting, and in a fight, being the first ship in the line. Its job is to get close to the enemy and MAKE them pay attention to it; it has far more than enough firepower to ruin anyone's day if they ignore it, but it has as much shielding as a generation-up larger vessel.

In an MMO sense, it's a tank.

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>>49942813
>Keith doesn't know fuckall about warp drives but man can he fake it
so basically pic related

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I like it. Maybe as Voyager and the Talaxian Exodus rattle their way across the galaxy they absorb other wanderers into the fleet. That Kirk era Klingon ship for example.

That big fucking Generational Ship they find only this time they don't side with the fucking terrorist cell because seriously? What the fuck?

Equinox captain hijacks a shuttle and lures the anti-matter aliens away from his ship, sacrificing himself. The Aliens loose interest after that. Equinox added to fleet.

There would be no easy short cut, skip half the galaxy home magic Borg sponsored button.

This time they have to slog ever weary light year and they can only travel as fast as the slowest ship in the fleet. Engine upgrades and shit do mean that the 75 year trip is done in a "mere" ~30. New Federation longevity treatments and shit account for the minimal levels of additional old suffered by the crew.

>>49947802
Fortunately, Keith isn't the Chief Engineer, that would be Based Reginald Barclay, a man who actually knows some shit. He just stutters.

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>>49945917
Too small.

We need more tubes for the Kingdom of Innatubes.

That Space Whale class ship is a small town IN SPAAAAAAAAAACE complete with all the problems that this would bring.

In any case tit would have to be big. This is the storage box that Starfleet keeps all the oddballs that it doesn't want to kick out because they occasionally come in very useful but at the same time is mostly ashamed of and don't want their neighbours to see.

Hence Chief Engineer Reginald Barclay. A man qualified to fix all of the things on all of the ships, has survived everything from alien probe brain rape, Borg battles and mutation plagues and came out of the other side of it no worse than he was at the start of it.

Sadly at the start of it he was mildly aspergic, had quite bad anxiety issues, stuttered a lot and was prone to addiction.

These fuckers are part of the crew or at least are assigned to the ship. Assigned as what? Nothing really. Captain was just told to sign a piece of paper which he did without reading because he was hungover and the delivery dude dropped a big crate in the cargo bay then swiftly beamed back to his ship and immediately Warp 9.5ed it out before they opened the crate.

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>>49942813
>>The Captain is an old Vulcan that has given up on emotional control and is prone to emotional outbursts
Cliche. If we're going with a Space Whale, I'm actually tempted to say Admiral Janeway deserves the big seat again.
Or we could use my futanari telekinetic Irish space elf who set out into space to live the life of James Tiberius Kirk and beat his high scores.

>>First Officer is an Orion with mechanically deactivated pheromones. She can turn them back on for interrogations, escaping Romulan capture and when she's off ship and off duty. She somehow manages to get official uniforms in D-cuts and miniskirts.
This one, I like.

>>Chief medical officer is a human augment.
Mmmmmh, could work, could work! Or we could get a certain opera-loving hologram.

>>Chief Security Officer "Jitters". A small, fearful man that plans for every outcome in the belief that they will absolutely happen. He understands Dave is a necessity and would probably be in there with him if he didn't have a job to do.
Him; I like him. He may actually be welcome to intrude on the Kingdom of Innatubes, because some things are just a two-man job.

Some other interesting members of the crew... I'll take an earlier idea and run with it.
> Lt. "Runabout" Anne Sommers. Flight deck chief, sees no reason to stock UNWORTHY small craft. In her opinion, if it isn't a Danube-class runabout (long haul!), a Delta Flyer (general purpose), or a Peregrine-class starfighter (ass-kicking!), it has no business on her flight deck. Has been recycling every other small craft that comes her way and constructing more of those three. Lives in the back of a heavily-customized Delta Flyer. Dreams of one day designing and constructing a super-shuttle the size of pic related (~3x the size of a Danube.)

Moderately paranoid; wears a transporter beacon armband at all times linked to her Delta Flyer's transporter, and carries a trio of one-shot pattern enhancers so she can GTFO of dodge and back to her ship.

>>49948028
>I'm actually tempted to say Admiral Janeway deserves the big seat again.

No.

>>49948160
Why not? It's a crew of misfits, fuckups, paranoids and misanthropes. Who better to lead them?

>>49942813
Given the typically Klingon blunt force solutions to problems and lack of ability to give even token shits the Klingon Matriarch counsellor could be quite fun on a ship so full of fuck ups as this.

Considers it her duty to keep morale of ship up as pre-emptive attack on possible future problems.

To this end she hired "entertainment specialists". Or at least that's the compromise the captain had to reach in regards to their job title on the official documents. He wanted to put them down as part of the "morale assistants" but Matriarch "Spine Breaker" Troughgath considered the title to be to lowly for them.

She wanted to them to be "Ships Courtesans" because it sounded classy and reminded her of when her House got invited to all the good official parties.

The actual new recruits were quite happy to be called ships whores so long as they got bed board and all their drinks free.

It's basically a collection of a few dozen mostly Betazoids, Orions and a few Klingons of both genders and a Romulan Madam.

In all fairness they are more qualified than mere sex workers and organize sorting competitions, art classes, cinema nights and all manner of other diversions.

They have proven their value to the ship many times over.

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>sorting
*sporting

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>>49948304
A bit too on-the-nose, methinks.

Here, have the ship (Perhaps we should call this beast USS Ark Royal?) with a squadron of Lt. Sommer's darlings deployed for duty.

>>49948304
>sorting competitions
I just saw this. Top kek.
I am now picturing the teams from the Quartermaster's Office, Engineering, the Hangars, and Maintenance facing off in a gigantic cargo bay in a race to see who can sort all their components the fastest. The competition's integrity is ensured by Lt. Dave "Space Suit" Innatubes, who is not present in the cargo bay but in the tubes above it, and will penalize any team he catches cheating (and he WILL catch them cheating,) by stunning the offender and the crewman next to the offender.

>>49948411
Note: "Space Suit Dave" is not actually an official of the sorting event. He just has a moderately-serious dislike for cheating in official, regulated competitions, and nobody is willing to go up there and tell him he can't punish cheaters with stun blasts.

This stands in stark contrast to his on-record opinions on cheating in unofficial, informal competitions, which is, in as many words, "if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying."

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>>49944659
That's the Excalibur. Supposed to be the like a super-long range explorer, basically a starbase only it can move.

Could be worse.

> Be Ensign Emily Sansnom, the Cargo Bitch.

> Be derping around a cargo bay, doing your cargo bay duty of tracking inventory.
> The weapon crates are all secured, awaiting transfer to Security.
> The food crates are all in a jumble, awaiting transfer to the galleys.
>> Replicators are nice, but a cooked meal is nicer.
>> Even if the ingredients were replicated.
> The spare power packs are all accounted for.
> The shelf of materials assembled every week for Space Suit Dave to pilfer from so he doesn't disrupt your counts by stealing from other crates is anomalous.
>> Investigate Space Suit Dave's shelf.
>> Power packs are gone.
>> Field latrine treatment packs are gone.
>> EV suit spares have been partly used.
>> Ration packs are... Still here.
>>> They were still there a week ago, too, and a week before that.
> Curious. And worrying.
> Is he eating? Has he started worrying that someone's trying to poison him?

>> Cargo Bay to Lt. Innatubes. Dave, it's Emily. Is everything... Okay?
>> Lt. Innatubes to Ensign Sansnom: Yes, Ensign. Why do you ask?
>> Lieutenant, you haven't taken your ration packs for three weeks straight. Are you eating?
>> Yes, I'm eating like a king, Emily. In fact, I sit amongst plenty.
>> So what are you eating, if you're not eating your ration packs?
>> Check the BLUE freezer crate with the white stripe slated for delivery to the galley.

> Open the freezer crate.
> It's packed full of vacuum-packed, frozen meat, each pack no bigger than a Klingon's fist at most.
> Use Tricorder on Meat.
>> Source Analysis: Cardassia Prime origin.
> Oh god, could he have gone off the deep -
>> Genetic analysis complete: Cardassian Vole.
> Oh god. We picked up a Vole infestation at Cardassia Prime.
>> I don't know what's worse. That we picked up a Vole infestation, or that Dave has apparently taken to hunting the damn things, or that he's become so prolific at it that he's now supplying meat to the galley from it.

>> You magnificent bastard, Dave.

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>>49948967

What the hell is that thing in the middle that's BIGGER than the Excalibur?

Also, they both look a lot smaller than I would have expected from a "basically a starbase, only it can move" ship, what with the Galaxy to provide scale.

Either way, though, these appear to be the "fuck you, Imperial-II Star Destroyer, we can play in your weight class if we damn well want to" vessels.

I kinda like them all, but I like the Excalibur quite a bit more.
Pic Related is still best ship IMO, though.

So far Space Suit Dave's friends consist of

Ensign Hipps - She is a medical professional typically stationed in the main sickbay. Also often works in one of the science labs. Specializes in retroviral engineering. The person on the ship he trusts like no other. Only person to see the inside of the intersection where he lives. Only person besides the EMH to see what he looks like out of the suit. May or may not be romantically involved with her he totally is.

Runabout Anne - Tends shuttle bay 2. Neither have any romantic interest in the other. She tends to the small fleet of runabouts that the Space Whale class ship has with the same dedication that Dave tends to his suit. She lives in Runabout 7.

Security Chief "Jitters" - The only man on the ship as paranoid as Dave. When Jitters first arrived on the ship they were somewhat antagonistic in large part because Jitters kept trying to flush him out of the tubes. When he eventually accepted that Dave was no threat to any member of the crew so long as they left him the fuck alone. After that they got along surprisingly well.

Chief Engineer Reginald Barclay - Gets along surprisingly well because Barclay diligently informs him of maintenance teams and the times they will be traversing the realm of Innatubes. Also Barclay is grateful for Dave's constant maintenance and repair work.

People Dave does not get along with

Matriarch "Spine Breaker" Troughgath - She considers him to be an affront to the proper running of the ship and signed the papers that had Dave declared legally insane.

>>49949055
You forgot Ensign Emily Sansnom, the Cargo Bitch/Quartermaster's Assistant. Normally this isn't a job that requires an officer for anything except overall oversight, but on a Space Whale/Excalibur-class vessel, it does. Knows a terrifying amount about the ship just based on what supplies are being sent where. Hobbyist roboticist who dabbles in making hover-pallets into automated cargo drones/kinetic killbots, but for some reason nobody will authorize the release of speeding cargo pallets into the hallways, even in a boarding situation.

Is totally romantically involved with Runabout Anne.

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>>49948967
Looking at the back of this thing, I can see it has four hangar bays: two big 'uns at the top aft, and two smaller ones at the bottom aft.

Hangar Bay 1 is top-port, Hangar Bay 2 is Top-Starboard, Hangar Bay 3 and 4 are Bottom-Port and Starboard.

Hangar Bay 1 contains a squadron of a dozen Delta-Flyer class small craft. This is not a full flight deck, but Hangar Bay 1 is also where incoming vessels may land, and has the fastest access to the repair/refit hangar, where those disgusting piss-weak shuttlepods Starfleet insists on assigning may be fed promptly into the recyclers. Each of the Delta Flyers has forward-mounted pulsed phaser cannons and an aft-mounted 360-degree phaser turret, and carries a small microtorpedo magazine.

Hangar Bay 2 contains a squadron of a dozen Danube-class Runabouts. Each and every one is in full Dominion War combat spec, with microtorpedo rollbar and enhanced shields. Runabout 7 is considerably more dangerous, as Anne lavishes extensive customizations and attention on her personal ride: it has micro-QUANTUM Torpedos in the magazines and was retrofitted with Andorian phaser emitters because she likes the color blue. It also has a full Aegis set (see Pic Related). Because she really likes blue, and hexagons, and blue hexagons.

Hangar Bays 3 and 4 each contain one-and-a-half squadrons of Peregrine-class starfighters. These are no-fucks-given combat starfighters, carrying heavy dual phaser cannons and micro-quantum torpedo launchers.

The Space Whale isn't what you need to worry about. It's when she starts launching shuttlecraft that you know you've really pissed off the captain into letting Runabout Anne do her thing. Especially if she gets angry enough to request Lt. Innatubes be her gunner. Then no quarter shall be given Not even a sixteenth.

https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10224553

TOS starbase soon fellow captains!

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>>49941422
The STO Solanae suit designs are a good place to start.

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>>49949248
I have such a hardsuit boner right now. That's like the combination of all of my favorite RIG suit features from Dead Space II, the Medical Hardsuit from Space Station 13, a few Mass Effect II suits, and concentrated Trek awesomeness.

It's official. Space Suit Dave wears a Solanae.
Oh, Ark Royal does have one other small craft.

> HMS Stealth
The Captain's Yacht has been extensively, heavily modified, in a joint project by Chief Engineer Reginald Barclay with help from an old friend, Chief of Operations Miles Edward O'Brien, Lt. Runnabout Anne, and Lt. Dave Innatubes.

It is manned 24/7 by its pilot and copilot. They sleep aboard.
> Lt. Commander Marina Reed
A distant descendant of a crewman from the original NX-01 Enterprise, Marina Reed is as British as they come. She's an excellent pilot and a first-rate covert operative, specializing in knives, swords, projectiles, and anything else which does not leave an energy signature. Carries a kukri at all times - ALL times - and uses it. A fantastic parkourist to boot, she's completely flummoxed countless alien security forces across countless worlds, by simply being able to MOVE in ways that they did not believe a humanoid could.
> Lt. J.G. Hela.
A full-blooded Romulan and probably not a spy, Hela defected after the clusterfuckery on Romulus, in possession of a small scout ship with a cloaking device. That cloaking device is now installed aboard HMS Stealth, as she maintained her claim on the scout vessel as her personal property until being assigned to USS Ark Royal.

HMS Stealth is well-armed, with all-around phaser array coverage and micro-quantum torpedo launchers, and, as with Runabout 7, has a full Aegis suite of advanced shields/engines. It can be deployed for use in a firefight, but its extreme extended range and speed compared even to a runabout, superior generators, larger internal volume and possession of a fully-functional Romulan cloaking device make it the go-to choice for covert ops.

>>49949321
Oh man. I just daydreamed something terrible. And by terrible, I mean 'awesome'.

I'm now picturing HMS Stealth docking with Enterprise. Its crew: 3. Its two pilots, and Space Suit Dave.
Its mission?
Pick up the Big E's Hazard Squad from Star Trek: Elite Force II, and use its cloaking device and warp drive to deliver a Hazard Squad and Space Suit Dave to some baddies' space station.
Their mission?

Go. Fucking. Ape.

You know the Godzilla Threshold has been passed when deploying Space Suit Dave offensively, actually giving him purpose-built weaponry, is being taken as a serious option.

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>>49949207

This is what happens when you lock a whole bunch of Starfleet most eccentric maverick engineers on one ship and the captain gives them permission to "make such modifications and alterations as you see fit".

One by one over the months and years since the captain gave that announcement the shuttle pods disappeared. Parts were replicated or traded for and the crew started using the shuttle bays as group projects, the project being lets see if we can make something better than that tin box on springs we got issued with.

There are no 2 "shuttle" craft on the Space Whale that are exactly alike as each was made by different teams to their own designs.

>>49949604
Indeed not! However, Runabout Anne maintains minimum capability requirements for each craft, so each Delta Flyer is at least capable of the minimums for the semi-unique craft, for example.

EXCEEDING the minimums is not only acceptable, it's encouraged.
This complexity, whilst a real pain on the idea of uniform equipment, plays merry fucking hell with the Borg: does that one have a phaser cannon, or a disruptor cannon, or a phased polaron cannon? And oh my Queen, that one fired a tricobalt device!

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>Implying Space Suit Dave would ever willingly leave the Kingdom of Innatubes.

Dave won't leave. The only time he comes out of the tubes is to traverse the distance between the hatch and something in the cargo bay he wants to obtain steal is such an ugly word.

This is what earns him the hate of Ensign Emily Sansnom, the Cargo Bitch/Quartermaster's Assistant. Space Suit Dave does not do paper work and because of him her inventory lists are inaccurate.

SSD is only hyper dangerous whilst on The Space Whale. When stranded out in the open he darts for the nearest corner to hide in and isn't happy again until he returns to his kingdom.

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>>49949633

Really, though, the Captain was wise to let them do this.
He can have a fleet of semi-unqiue, heavily-armed and highly-capable small craft, or he could have a hundred bored maverick engineers making off-books modifications to the Space Whale itself.

This focuses their energies on something which is small enough in scope that if it goes dramatically FUBAR, you can just feed the whole small craft into the recycler and start again, as happened when Runabout 12 plugged an assimilated Tribble into their dashboard as a good luck charm, and it started Borgifying the entire damn Runabout.

It was effective! Just creepy AF.

>>49949645
Of course he would. Briefly. To rectify threats to the Kingdom of Innatubes, as must any sovereign sally in times of war.

And that's why Emily set aside a shelf just for stuff for Dave to obtain. If he has an all-in-one shelf to "shop" at, he won't go rummaging through the rest of the cargo bays.

>SSD is only hyper dangerous whilst on The Space Whale. When stranded out in the open he darts for the nearest corner to hide in and isn't happy again until he returns to his kingdom.
Space Suit Dave is one of the most robust motherfuckers in starfleet. He's killed at least five Gorn with nothing more than a heavy fire extinguisher, a banana peel and a squirt bottle of space lube. He's dangerous on or off the Space Whale, but he's most dangerous in the Kingdom of Innatubes. Or when invading someone ELSE'S Tube Kingdoms: seriously, do you have any idea how fucking hosed you can hose a ship/space station by crawling through the tubes with a standard Starfleet toolbelt? There's a reason he tirelessly patrols the Ark Royal's tubes. That also makes him the most dangerous tube saboteur in Starfleet.

On the other hand, actually intentionally losing him on some poor schmucks probably qualifies as a war crime, so like I said: if you're asking Space Suit Dave to go on an away mission, the Godzilla Threshold has been passed.

>>49949019
According to the little information I've been able to get, it's the USS Seraphim, a fleet carrier (presumably the feds are adding another ship to their "just in case" list).

>>49935123
>circlejerking about a shit OC: the thread!

>>49949752
Oh don't be such a Debbie downer

>Thread Theme
https://youtu.be/MDXfQTD_rgQ?t=55s

Go to 55 seconds for the music.

>>49949690
Can we make The Space Whale the sister ship of that instead?

>>49949321
I wouldn't have Marina Reed be an actual officer. She would not have passed the psychological tests at the academy and if it goes on her records that she failed the "are you nuts" test she would never get to serve on a star ship. So instead she applied to join the ship directly and got into the crew that way.

She and Hela are the nearest Starfleet will ever have to actual assassins acknowledged to be on their payroll.

It's not even that Reed is particularly violent or even really sociopathic, It's just that killing someone she believes is a danger to her and people she considers "hers" doesn't even register on telepathic scans as actual killing in her mind. It's a level of naturally occurring professional detachment that the Obsidian Order would be pants creamingly proud of and it has no place in the regime she is unquestionably loyal to.

>>49949874
>Can we make The Space Whale the sister ship of that instead?
I think the Excalibur is actually denser than the Seraphim, which is much more spread out, and much more versatile.

The carrier can't go anywhere without a fleet of ships escorting it. The Excalibur escorts the fleet.

>>49949870
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJzPhRJRgFA

>>49949911
My man!

https://youtu.be/GgZWyntHj0c?list=PLD9577E6CEBD077B4

>>49949911
>>49949933
Supreme track coming through.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w34fSnJNP-4

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>>49948247
The problem with that is that you need someone who can, if not control, at least direct them.

For that you don't use War criminal Janeway. If Starfleet wanted them gone they wouldn't be wasting a FUCKHUEJ on them.

If we aren't going to go with Batshit Vulcan as captain then how about a hard as fuck Rigelian. He served on the front lines in the Cardasian War, He survived 2 Klingon wars. He survived Wolf 359 and he went through the entire Dominion War. He has seen some shit and he has got shit done.

He keeps the ship and it's crew under a tight a reign as possible and directs their fucked up energy and attention to shit that isn't going to cause some sort of catastrophe.

Hence his allowing of the "entertainment specialists". Although in his defence he thought their only purpose was to provide more conventional, family friendly distractions that his superiors wouldn't freak their shit about if they ever found out.

His biggest flaw is that he is somewhat of a control freak, hence his utter hatred of Dave from the Realm of Innatubes.

His intention is that this would be his last assignment. He's getting fair old now and he's hoping to surf The Space Whale all the way to his retirement. His original intention after that was to go back home and spend his twilight years in a monastery.

Matriarch Troughgath keeps trying to get him to marry her once he leaves Starfleet for political reason. A multi-war veteran and career captain like him heading her House might get it recognized as a Noble House again. The prospect has a certain appeal to him.

>>49947763
How the heck does it force other ships to fire at it instead of its partners? It seems a bit small for interposition.

>>49950744
A Warp 9 cavalry charge, that's how!

In seriousness, I assume it'd simply be them (and similar ships) spearheading any attack.

>>49947763
>Four Shield Generators
>[Citation Needed]
The FASA material notes that the class has a binary shield generator, but that's what the Enterprise refit/class had, a hull surface deflector bubble and then the full shields. Anyway, the Loknar's a Frigate (Though FASA frigates are more like lightweight destroyers) in its pre Refit configuration, and then it's bumped up to Heavy Destroyer/Light Cruiser by later models. Also, the class is most assuredly a Warship, built by the Andorians to escort civilian and science ships, as well as serving as the backbone of Starfleet during the Four Years War. It does have the ignominy of being the only Federation ship captured and used by the Klingons though. The IKS Staav'eMara.

>>49948028
>my futanari telekinetic Irish space elf who set out into space to live the life of James Tiberius Kirk and beat his high scores.
Not going to comment on the dubious merit of such a character, but sex changes have to be covered by Federation medical care, right? Suppose they've perfected FtM sex changes yet? Could there be actual chicks with dicks?

>>49950744
Magnets.

>>49950979
Given all the examples of physical changes implemented pretty easily and rapidly, there's no reason to think there wouldn't be.

And Gene would probably have been up for it if anyone would have let him put it in the show

>>49950979
Watch DS9's "Profit and Lace"

>>49951211
How do they work?

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Holy bloom captain.
>recommended settings

>>49952212
Is that with the new graphics?

>>49949874
>I wouldn't have Marina Reed be an actual officer.

If Worf, Son of Mogh, was an officer, then totally-not-Evie-Frye can be an officer. Let's not mince words; she knows it's killing. She won't say it isn't. She doesn't seek to kill as her first recourse. She just isn't afraid to shy away from it when it is warranted. She tends to escalate to lethal force as soon as it becomes properly justifiable, rather than attempting nonlethal force/diplomacy in situations where lethal force would be justifiable, as many Starfleet Officers do.

She also considers Section 31 to be her mortal enemy. She synergizes very well with my next two.

>>49950677
If not Janeway, then the captain should be someone just as batshit and eccentric, and perhaps even a bit apathetic. Someone who knows that the best way to handle an entire crew which is a dumping ground for the people who are too excellent to dismiss and too eccentric to disperse throughout the fleet is to GUIDE their talents, not try to control them; hence accepting the ceding of the Kingdom of Innatubes to Space Suit Dave, for example.

>>49950744
By getting right up in their faces, where they can't miss and their phasers will do the most damage, while the other ships stay back and fire missiles/torpedoes and shit.

>>49950979
Probably, but she's a member of an unknown hermaphroditic race.

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>>49952703

> Lieutenant and Lieutenant J.G. Kiryuin Satsuki and Ryuko, Tactical/Security Officers.
They share a name with a pair of Captains who served in the Four-Year-War during the 2240s, who retired promptly after the end of the war, as Captains of a pair of Ares-class Heavy Cruisers. The last time anyone heard from them was 2295, after the Khitomer Accords, when Kiryuin Satsuki and Ryuko, who were being dubiously honored by having two warships which were being constructed and then immediately mothballed, named after them, donated swords and scabbards to be installed on those ships.

They claim to be those very same Kiryuin sisters. This claim is dubious at best, as the Kiryuins were human, in their early 30s in the year 2244. Even if they were, as is now believed, Human Augments, they would be pushing two hundred years old, and these two appear to be late teens. They claim that they've spent the majority of the intervening time on the Bak'u world in the Briar Patch, with occasional vacations back into the galaxy.

Whether they're delusional or not, it cannot be said that they are ineffective. They quote "Mad Jack" Churchill's line "An officer who goes into battle without his sword is improperly attired" and wear Japanese swords at all times. These are NOT for show, and they are very ready to draw their blades in defense of the ship, as many a boarder who has had the otherwise good fortune to avoid Space Suit Dave has discovered to his lament. They are aggressively career-minded, display a frighteningly casual familiarity with Starfleet history, flagrantly abuse uniform regulations to wear skirts and cutoff tops, are bona fide experts in Japanese pre-1990 history, and have thrice exposed Section 31 operatives aboard the ship: one of them was promptly assassinated by Lt. Cmdr. Reed, one of them received a prompt object lesson in the art of iaijutsu, and one of them fled into the Kingdom of Innatubes and has not been heard from since.

>>49952056
Or preferably, don't as it is a fucking awful episode.

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>>49952212
You haven't seen the bloom yet!

>>49952932
I hope to god they call that bar the Warp Core. Or possibly; preferably, the Warp Core Breach.

Anything else would be absurd; I seriously thought that WAS a picture of a Warp Core from the thumbnail. You'd need to wear sunglasses to work in that place. Hell, you'd need to wear sunglasses to PATRONIZE that place.

>>49950979
It probably doesn't come up in adulthood, though, because they probably scan for whatever condition eventually leads to sex dysphoria and fix it in utero.

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>>49952997
>Fed scientists can fix homosexuality and transgenderism by zapping the predisposition out of your fetus
>feds are ultra post-scarcity, homosexuality is no longer useful because there's no cap on population, and population excess can be shipped to colonies / starbases in need of staff


Tfw not in fed space; -;

>>49952963
>the Warp Core Breach.

That actually was a drink, Quark served it. I went looking for recipes after reading:
>"At "Quark's Bar" in the Star Trek: The Experience exhibit at the Las Vegas Hilton, there was an actual Warp Core Breach on the menu. Designed to be consumed by two or more people, it consisted of ten ounces of flavored rums, Razzmatazz, fruit juices and 'dry-ice'."

This was my first find:

"Warp Core Breach
4.5 oz Bacardi Superior (or any white, clear, cheap rum out there)
3 oz Bacardi Limon (or any lemon rum you can find)
1.5 oz Bacardi Select (Meyers Dark rum also works, or whatever dark rum your store has)
1.5 oz Bacardi Spice (Captain Morgans also works, but any spice rum will do)
1.5 oz Dekuyper Lucious Raspberry Rush (formerly known as Razzmatazz, this is the most important part, other Raspberry liquers don’t seem to work)
.75 oz Bacardi 151 (any 151 proof rum will do, since they all seem to taste like gasoline by themselves)
30 oz (1.5 bottles) Sobe Power (finding Aceorla/passion berry juice is too hard to find so just use Sobe Power, besides, the caffeine in the Sobe Power ads an extra kick to the drink)
Mix the alcohol, pour into a bowl, add the 30 oz of Sobe Power and food-grade dry ice and there you have it, the Warp Core Breach."

>>49953364
Jesus, that sounds fucking lethal. I want one.

I was thinking about Generations recently, and I was wondering why the crew in the engineering hull didn't use the escape pods? Even if half of them were destroyed by the Klingons, they could have cut their evacuation time in half if they had used escape pods, which would have also allowed everyone enough time to not get caught in the blast, then the saucer section could have beamed Soren into the brig before he killed Kirk, they could have picked up the pods, Starfleet wouldn't have to scrape the saucer off of Veridian III, and Kirk would have lived to seek death another day (he seemed pretty suicidal on generations, reminds me of Torres after she found out her Maquis friends but the dust)

>>49952932
Surely there's a JJ filter to give it also lens flares.

Is there a star map somewhere on Memory Alpha that shows the Delta and Gamma quadrants? I see a bunch of stuff that appears to be fan made/STO, but nothing official.

>>49952997
That sounds problematic, but more importantly, I doubt it would work.

>>49953344
I would expect that it's super-mega-ultra illegal to engage in prenatal alterations to determine the sexuality of the child. Like, way worse than trying to get your kids Augmented.

>>49953884
The Galaxy class has a great number of design flaws. Among them are an utter dearth of escape pods in the stardrive section.

>>49954070
Really? I thought they had a fair amount in there, I guess I'll have to re-read the technical manual

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>board gaming friend just shared a picture of his new copy of Ascendancy

Anyone played it yet? I watched demos at Gen-Con and some videos online and I am pretty hype

>>49954069
Why wouldn't it work? It's established that they use gene therapy for a variety of applications, and that it's legal as long as it's deemed medically necessary. It's also shown to have extremely broad and powerful applications. Remember all the occasions when one or more of the main cast of a show became horrible mutants and then they fixed it before the end of the episode?

And why would it be problematic? Whether you change the fetus' sex or just tweak whatever part of its brain is predisposed to dysphoria, you've solved the problem. It's certainly more humane than letting it live to experience problems that you could have prevented.

>>49954157
The lifeboats - Autonomous Survival Rescue Vehicles (ASRVs) on the Galaxy-class are hidden under those square panels. They only appear on the dorsal and ventral surfaces of the saucer, or if there are any that I haven't seen, there's only like, a strip of five or so of them on the underside of the stardrive. It just basically isn't shaped right to have any of them.

It's only a design flaw if you assume the ship might asplodie, though, and with Galaxy class vessels, that's generally easier said than done, barring SHENANIGANS or BULLSHIT.

>>49954218
Big mistake on their part then, as while I can't say what the 24th century is like, I definitely know that the 21st century is rife with SHENANIGANS and BULLSHIT

>>49948304
That has got to be the dumbest shit possible.

It's also something I can absolutely see happening. Especially given that the Federation is notoriously lax about the smaller details of law and doesn't like stepping on the toes of other peoples cultural traditions, at least when it's not going to get a bunch of people killed.

Klingons are Viking Samurai + hint of Mongolian Hordes. I can see them having absolutely no problem with whoring and drinking and fighting. Betazoids and Orions are notoriously not puritanical about sex in any way and may just consider it another career path which would admittedly make Careers Day quite creepy as fuck to visiting outsiders.

This coupled with Matriarch "spine breaker" Troughgath being a super traditionalist who believes that the UFP just need the soft beat out of them and embrace their inner Klingon.

>>49955094
>>49948304
Isn't this kind of a moot point to have people like that aboard since you have a holodeck. With the added benefit of no space STD and unwanted pregnancies? It could be interesting but this is the 24th century flesh and blood hookers seem so passé.

>>49956299
Voyager predicament. Power needs to be saved for important things. Hence no replicators, no holodecks, essentials only, final destination. You need whores.

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>>49956299
Holodeck has been banned from the ship.

Captain ordered them dismantled and the pieces scattered across all cargo bays, never to be reassembled.

When Genghis Khan has teamed up with General Green for the second time in as many months to release hordes of Klingon Nazis on your ship, and oh the safties are on the fritz WHO WOULD HAVE FUCKING THOUGHT IT, it really makes you reevaluate your priorities.

Turns out having all the worst offenders of serial dipshitery in Starfleet stationed on one ship with access to a working holodeck has consequences.

Pic related once escaped from Holodeck 1. There were casualties. It was the final straw.

Also there are no STDs on the ship. They have very good doctors, state of the art medical equipment and access to the federation medical database. Also if Dr. Crusher could stop Troi dying of Space AIDS looking after a few dozen high class courtesans should be no problem.

>>49956466
You don't NEED whores, I think it would be better to encourage your officers not to have sex so that when they hit 30 years of virginity they can morph into Organians/Qs

>>49956466
I remember one podcast I listened to some time back suggested that as a coping mechanism and to keep everyone happy, there was a perpetual orgy hidden away on the Voyager that Tom Paris was absolutely not invited to (the idea came up around covering season 2 when he was still an awful person). Harry Kim would have been invited, removing his perma-virgin status but he would have brought Paris with him. And then later Kim became a complete shithead whilst Paris actually got ok but attached to Torres so... yeah.

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>>49957465
Except Harry wasn't a perma-virgin. He actually had a fiance back home. That he completely forgot about.
Also, space std.

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>>49949248
The Solanae looks awesome but I'm not a fan of the helmet

>>49957816
>He actually had a fiance back home
Doesn't mean he wasn't a virgin.

>space std.
Came along at what, season 5? At which point he had morphed from a plank into someone with less maturity than Wesley Crusher because that's all the writers could think of to do with him.

>>49954350
Yep. You're entirely right about that.

>>49957899
That one's sexy, too.

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Bumping with Sperm Ship

>>49959029
I think it needs work. It's a neat shape but frankly the completely plain surface is just kinda wrong for the setting.

Even the Whale Probe had some detailing and that was just a giant fucking tube with a ball that popped out.

>>49959326
The Whale Probe was the hero model for a Rama movie though.

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>>49959518
WHAT

>>49959550
Yes, they were going to make a Rendezvous with Rama movie in the early 80s, and went so far as to mock up the station. Plans fell through, and the model was left in ILM's hands, then dolled up for Voyage Home.

>>49959518
Crap, I remember reading that somewhere and now I can't remember where. Did Ross mention that in his rama game dungeon episode?

>>49959618
Yeah, and I happened to find some more information on that in an old special effects magazine. I was floored when I heard that in the Game Dungeon.

>>49959518
And that image is just someone's very basic CG model. I don't get your point.

>>49959709
There was more effort put into the Whale Probe than that CG model was my point.

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>>49959734
Are you sure it's the CG model? Because that's clearly Usualsuspex's work, and he's the guy who gave us pic related.

So it's clearly not that the modeller was lazy, seemingly so much as that the actual model he was modelling was lazy as fuck, and he simply faithfully recreated it.

>>49936539
>it's a porno
>Mulgrew is in
>Robert Duncan McNeill is dead
>did I mention it's a porno

>>49959991
Where was the original though? I don't remember it in the show at all.

>>49960262
No idea. It's probably from a third-party supplement. Here's all the stuff Memory Alpha has on them:

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Tzenkethi

Which is precious little.

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>>49956526
>Computer, load holodeck program, 'Deimos E1M1'

>>49956526
>Holodeck has been banned from the ship.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
No, Barclay would put it back together by himself if he had to just because that would be just to harsh a punishment on the crew. That and it would stop the crew from killing each other from boredom.

>>49961405
Having Barclay as Chief Engineer is just one more reason to get it gone.

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>>49935123
I have absolutely nothing to add but I just felt the need to share this.

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I've looked at these systems and cant choose. which one is considered the best/most played?

>>49963353
Well, Deciphertrek is the most RECENT other than that one which is currently in alpha.

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Bump with a dish best served cold, with a side of fresh gaght. Also: the victim I mourn most from Star Trek II.

>>49957816
The three step rule to determining if the episode is going to be shit

1. Evolution is a main subject of the episode
2. Sex is a main subject of the episode
3. Riker has no beard

If any of those are ticked then find something else to watch.

>>49964266
But what if all of them are ticked, anon? What if?

>>49964546
Then you're probably watching "the naked now" anon. And that's awful

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>>49964630
Indeed it is! Here, have something decidedly non-awful: Old and new.

What's the best posting you could get in Starfleet? Let's say you're an ensign, straight out of the Academy, top of your class for your chosen specialisation. What is the ideal posting for you?

I'll go first.
Stream: Engineering
Specialisation: warp field theory/ship design
Posting: Utopia Planitia design team.

>>49964977
Councillor
Don't need one have 2nd rate psychic cheat codes
Flagship of Starfleet for some reason

Spend all day doing sweet fuck all and taking the piss out of my patients to the management.

>>49965006
I find it strange that only some postings have a councillor. The Enterprise got one. But the DS9 and Voyager didn't. The only reason DS9 eventually got one is because their local Goa'uld happened to mind wipe someone already in that profession.

>>49965038
Maybe Voyager had one, but they died in the Caretaker disaster?

>>49965038
And I'm pretty sure DS9 had one, too, they just weren't important enough to ever see them on-screen. O'Brien was still seeing them after the Prison Mindfuck, though.

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>>49961405
>>49956526
Did anybody read that webcomic where the holodecks go offline, so Geordi runs a tabletop RPG for them?

>>49965055
I like to think they had a string of them that got killed during various disasters/ attacks. Eventually starfleet just stopped sending a replacement

>>49964693
It's like a remora next to a shark.

On the subject of The Space Whale and the Kingdom of Innatubes. The serial number for the ship. In a long ago thread some anon who got both quads and trips in his post put forward this as the unluckiest possible number for a Federation ship;

136164

In Russia even numbers are unlucky.

In Japan and Korea 4 and 9 are unlucky as 4 sounds like 'death' and 9 sounds like 'suffering'.

In most European countries except Italy 13 is unlucky.

6 and 4 are even numbers and putting the 3 of 13 next to the first 6 gives you 9 by association. Also 616 is number of The Beast in Greek Orthodox bibles.

164 in Mandarin is a homophone for "one road to death"

>>49965056
Yeah, it was pretty great.

>>49965101
That sounds...

Pretty baller, actually. The most numerologically cursed ship short of NCC-666.

Luck? We don't need luck. We have batshit crazy basket-cases stacked, packed and racked all up in this shizzle!

how come no one thought to rip out the tube of white that for some reason is exposed on the outside of the jem'hadar's armor in close combat?

>>49965547
Because that would be very unlikely to actually disable the Jem'hadar so much as just annoy him?

It would be like ripping the drinking straw off a redneck's beer hat. It's not going to make him topple over disabled, but it is going to give him a reason to kick your ass.

>>49965547
>how come no one thought to rip out the tube of white
because that would mean getting within arm's reach of a Jem'hadar.

>>49956526
>Holodeck has been banned from the ship.
well given how often they malfunction and endanger one or more crew members I'm surprised starfleet captains haven't done this sooner.

> Be Ensign Emily Sansnom, the Cargo Bitch in charge of the stardrive cargo bays.
>> Be subordinate to the Grand High Cargo Bitch, the Quartermaster.
>> Be Superior to a great number of Enlisted Cargo Technicians, aka the Cargo Bitch's Cargo Bitches.

> Be sitting in the Aft Cargo Bay Office, attached to Primary Aft Cargo Bay, doing Cargo Bay Paperwork.
>> Aft Cargo Bay Office is comfy to the max: easy chairs replace standard chairs, the carpet is two-inch-deep shag, the stock tables, desks, and LCARS consoles have been replaced with silver-inlaid dark hardwood, the standard Federation wall paneling has been replaced with blonde hardwood with gold inlay.
>> Aft CBO is adjacent to Flight Deck 2's pilots lounge, and a quick off-books, concealed (but regulations-meeting) door installation enables easy ingress for those in the know from the Runabout Flight Deck.
> Have your feet up on your desk, boots and socks kicked off under it, while your girlfriend, Lt. Anne Sommers perches on said desk, massaging them while you work on your customized, bamboo-cased Reading PADD.
> Life is good. Work is getting done; your Cargo Bitches are buzzing like good little drones to their queen's tune; the Quartermaster is staying the hell off your case; your girlfriend's all caught up on her wrench wenching, meaning she's paying attention to you; Space Suit Dave has only been taking spares from the designated shelves you've been stocking for him in all of the cargo bays under your command; and nobody other than you, Anne, and Satsuki (well, probably her sister, too,) knows what happened to the Section 31 infiltrator you caught attempting to sabotage Dave's air filtration units.
>> Most importantly, Dave doesn't know. He'd throw a paranoid fit if he did, and the last time Section 31 was out to get him, he dug so deep Innatubes, laid so many traps and went so off-grid that Lt. Cmdr. Barclay had to recruit Ensign Hipps to venture Innatubes to coax him out of his shell.
> Cont.

>>49965671
>>49965562
>>49965547
In Insurrection it mentioned that the White is a narcotic.

Can humans get high off of it?

Because I can seriously see Space Suit Dave keeping a stash of the stuff he saves for special occasions. Obtained from the last time the Dominion boarded The Space Whale.

Of the Jem'Hadar that entered Innatubes the only remains so far found have been some empty white containers discarded after the Christmas celebration.

>>49965961
>>> You don't know why Section 31 has so much beef with so many members of this crew, but given how many of them are so extraordinarily deadly and have apparently declared open season on S31 Infiltrators, you'd think they'd just stay the hell off the ship.

> Whatever. Anne's rubbing that sweet spot that makes you consider calling in a replacement and taking an hourlong break in Runabout Seven.
>> Wait. Wait, wait, what's this? Aft Cargo Bay 5's counts are off. You sent three Cargo Techs in to account for the number of crates of insectivore-approved emergency rations that had been stored.
>> Why in the world you have to stock plural crates of insectivore-approved emergency rations when the ship's crew contains precisely zero (0) obligatory insectivore crew is beyond you. In an emergency relief situation to a colony of obligatory insectivores, you could just industrially replicate cubic kilometers of the stuff before you arrived.
> Get 'The Feeling,' noting that of the Cargo Bitches you sent to account for the supplies, one of them is supposed to have clocked off shift, and has not.
>> Cargo Techs working late voluntarily? Only if they're:
>>> Conspiring to open crates they should not be opening.
>>> Hosting a Vole Fight in a cargo bay.
>>> Playing Dungeons & Dragons.
>>> Dead.

>> Anne, go back to your Runabout, warp the transporter up and keep a lock on me. I need to go check something.
> Don ye footwear, strap on ye emergency transporter beacon and Cargo Bitch Toolbelt.
>> Contains: Tricorder, Phaser (set to heavy stun,) Romulan Special Forces Disruptor Pistol (the kind that masks its energy signature as that of any of two dozen normal tools and set to 'very dead', taken fresh from the headless corpse of a Section 31 infiltrator,) welding torch modified into an electroplasma flamethrower, and actual tools.
>>> You learned a thing or two the last time you ventured to the Kingdom of Innatubes.
> cont.

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>>49966084
> Proceed to Aft Cargo Bay 5. The Feeling intensifies the nearer you get to it. Something is doubleplus ungood.
>> Ensign Sansnom to any personnel in Aft Cargo Bay Five: Report.
>> Ominious Silence.
> Oh boy. Attempt to access internal sensors of ACB5.
> All disabled.
> Draw phaser. Consider phaser. Holster phaser. Draw disruptor pistol and electroplasma flamethrower, safeties off.
>> Computer: open door to Aft Cargo Bay 5.
> Door opens. Inside is half as bright as it should be.
> You really wish you hadn't lost that polarizing light-amplification target-highlighting AR visor to Lt. J.G. Hela during the last Poker Night on the Stealth.
> Well, that's why they call it 'gambling;' there was a pair of antigravity jetboots on the line, and you had a Flush. Hela had a Straight Flush.

> Proceed cautiously inward. Look up.
>> The light fixtures are obscured by thick white webbing.
>> Webbing. Insectivore food crates. This isn't good. Start looking around carefully.
>>> Suddenly: OH FUCK NO! (Pic Related)
> Cut the Ofukno in half with disruptor fire, scream like a little girl.
> Disruptor Fire/scream has awakened The Swarm. They descend from the ceiling, swarming over the crates, from the shelves..
> Backpedal furiously, laying down disruptor blasts and electroplasma to cover your retreat.
>> ANNE GET ME THE FUCK OUT OF HERE!
> Ofukno, burning from leaping through an electroplasma flame field, leaps at your head.
>> World goes blue before it hits, it passes intangibly through you as you materialize on the transporter pad in Runabout Seven, your weapons helpfully materializing at your feet instead of in your hand with you still laying down covering fire.
>> Computer, SEAL AFT CARGO BAY FIVE!
> Consider options:
>> Call Security
>> Call Dave
>> Call Engineering
>> Call the Quartermaster
>> Call the Captain
>> Deal with it yourself.

> The Duchy of Aft Cargonia has been transgressed against. You must raise your levy, rally your allies, and march to war.
> Cont.

>>49966243
> Run back to Ye Aft Cargo Office, declare Cargo Emergency.
>> Cargo Techs begin opening innocuous lockers and arming themselves with bootleg weapons Security pretends not to notice in exchange for being supplied with more of said bootleg weapons.
> Runabout Anne helpfully beams a microprobe into Aft Cargo Bay Five, a hovering camera drone with a small but robust shield generator.
>> Spiders. Spiders everywhere. Spiders with FREAKING SKULLS for bodies, the size of bobcats.
> Tell the cargo techs to tool up for a bughunt, meaning flamethrowers and Federation Assault Rifles. Glance back to the monitor.
>> They killed the camera drone. That thing's shields will hold up to three seconds of Setting 12 phaser fire.
>>> Jesus Q Christ, this is a legitimate threat to the ship. Time to escalate.

>> Ensign Sansnom to Lt. Innatubes. Dave? I need a Grand Slam, and I need it yesterday.
>> Lt. Innatubes to Ensign Sansnom. A Grand Slam? What the hell for?
>> Don't ask, you don't want to know. Just slap a transporter beacon on it and stand back. I know you keep one ready at all times.
>> This had better be important.
>> I wouldn't be asking for it if it wasn't, Dave.
>> Transporter beacon is live.
>> Ensign Sansnom to Lt. Anne Sommers. Anne, Dave just slapped a beacon onto a Grand Slam. Beam it to your runabout, set it on a ten second timer, and get ready to beam it back into ACB Five.

> Everyone has their own ways of dealing with problems.
>> Security throws redshirts at it until it drowns in their bodies.
>> Dave engages in guerilla warfare that Bajorans write field manuals about.
>> The Kiryuin Sisters use SWORDS and AUGMENTED SPEED.
>> Lt. Cmdr. Barclay pulls some engineering that's so advanced it might as well be WIZARDRY out of his ass.
> You have FRIENDS, ALLIES, M̶I̶N̶I̶O̶N̶S̶SUBORDINATES, and access to hardware that mere cargo techs should not have.
> This is how the Duchy of Aft Cargonia is secured from foes foreign and domestic. Time to go to work.

>>49966397

I can't tell if I'm reading fanfic or an ss13 greentext.

>>49966772
>implying there's a difference

>>49962730
Make it loop properly and you could have something truly great here.

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>>49966772
Oh good, that means I'm hitting all the notes I intended to hit.

>>49967583

>That abomination of physics

>>49967859
Please note that the filename was chosen with exceptional care.

Also, this is probably the kind of thing that Chief Engineer Lt. Reginald Barclay would dream up and implement. And then Starfleet would tell him to dismantle it because they fear something even worse than an uncontrolled antimatter reaction could occur if the law of conservation of energy is violated, so we're going to just dismantle it, scatters the parts, pretend it never happened and hope the universe doesn't invert itself into a negative space wedgie.

>>49967859
I don't play SS13 what is it?

>>49969219
A thermal generator that uses a line of hot and cold air to generate power. They are using the power from said generator to power heaters/coolers to keep the lines at the right temp. They are getting more power then they are using to keep it running. Troll physics at work right there.

>>49967583
>>49967859
>>49967980
>>49969219
>>49969299
Oh good god. Which servers had that?

>>49969299
Then I absolutely agree. That is exactly the sort of thing that Chief Engineer Lt. Reginald Barclay would create.

It violates physical laws like it just escaped from prison, causes people's eyes to bleed if they look at it too hard and the ships token telepath swears he can hear it sing. Chief Engineer Lt. Reginald Barclay built the Starfleet version of the gravity drive from Event Horizon. Because he was board and had a nightmare and wanted to know if it could be made real.

Turns out it can be made real. It really fucking can. Matriarch "Spine Breaker" Troughgath had to perform a Klingon Exorcism before it would switch off. Captain maintains that it shutting down just as she finished her ritual was a total coincidence.

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Best Constitution coming through.

>>49969650

That engine was constructed on d20station (god rest its soul).

>>49936041

I am so fucking glad >>49935761 asked, because I've been seeing that pic for days and wondering what it was.

Holy fucking shit go click that video.

>>49936751

The bullet should have come out of the earpiece. Why the hell do people get shit like this wrong?

>>49971640
Have you seen Danger 5? At all? Because that's quite frankly the least of that show's "sins." Of course, that's what makes it funny as fuck.

>>49969219
So how hard would it be to mod SS13 into a spaceship simulator?
>Wait do we have a name for our intrepid space whale ship?
I want to play the adventures of the space whale 'Anonymous'.

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>>49966397
Please tell me there is more of this.

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>>49972461
When it set off from space docks it was

136164
U.S.S. [name pending]

Because nothing says maximum bad luck like the worlds most unlucky 6 digit number and leaving port on a ship with no name.

It think it gets referred to by the crew as The Space Whale so often that the captain just went ahead and made U.S.S. The Space Whale it's official name.

>>49972491
Nice, Horta Pot Pie.

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>>49971273
What I would give for an artist to realize that a true 23rd century Connie would have straight pylons, simple cylindrical nacelles, a simple engineering deck, and a worn yellow-gray coating without a ton of shit going on aesthetically

>>49971577
What happened to it? I'm guessing epic clusterfuckery of mod collission leading to the owner saying "screw this shit" and pulling the plug?

Half the mods were wankers anyway. Still, had a lot of fun, especially Dwarf Station Mode. Stopped playing when the mods banned me from command positions because they didn't like the way I played Head of Personnel. [Namefagging as my old d20 Station main. Emily Sansnom was my favorite alt.]

>>49972461
>>49972547
Sorry to burst the bubble, she's the USS Ark Royal.

>>49972491
Sometime perhaps. Right now, I'm writing Kill la Kill fanfic.

>>49973350
Well, "Mods", try "A mod who hated me and was looking to get his valid salad in WRT fucking with me."

Because abloo bloo bloo, only security should run around with a gun, nevermind the fact that there is no security, nor anyone else with any kind of claim to authority...

No security because they inevitably get lynched the moment they show up unless they're full-on /k/ommando-tier robusters who bust everybody's head for looking at them funny, and sometimes not even then, just so a traitor can get easier access to the weapons locker.

But no, if the HoP dares to take the reasonable measure of securing the captain's laser pistol on her person, along with an egun and a few handcuffs, it's playing wrong.

>>49973350

>What happened to it?

Nothing so dramatic; population just slowly bled away until there wasn't much point putting new threads up.

>>49973516
Probably because a few of the mods made it an unpleasant place to play. C'est la vie.

>>49974092
Such a shame. I really liked the system they had set up

>>49969650
That is in fact the original flavor engine from when the power system first got implemented. Pretty sure it's even still the original sprites

>>49975744
I liked the TEG engine, in all honesty. Because you could do shit like that. And because it wasn't so easy to force a round end just by sabotaging it. Sure, it could be BAD, but it could be FIXED, unlike what happened on tgstation when some asshole got bored, shut down the containment and let Lord Singuloth loose.

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Seriously, is anyone else annoyed that in TNG, they made Data a special snowflake? Because in TOS there was at least 3 episodes that deal with androids and they were some hot fem-bots at that. It would be great if you could recruit crew members robots from these sources. It would be interesting for the space whale ship to have like a dozen of this guys. Having crew that can work in hard vacuum without life support could be very useful. You would think robot crew would be more numerous in TNG.

>>49965994
>In Insurrection it mentioned that the White is a narcotic.
Must've missed that line, It was always referred to as a drug, and when I first hear that I just assumed some kind of narcotic the federation was already familiar with (given that they already knew the chemical's name without needing someone from the dominion to actually say the name).

Though since we are never told what it's effects are beyond keeping Jem'Hadar from turning into psychotic killing machines, I started to wonder if it wasn't really an anti-psychotic, the whole time, makes more sense that way...

>>49978149
What made Data special is that he could learn and was self sufficient and sapient. The TOS androids all either had to be connected to a dedicated main unit or could be subverted by Kirk opening his mouth.

>>49978149
I think almost all of those were central computer designs, or other shenanigans. What made Data special was that he was a learning machine, not simply programmed like the earlier ones.

>>49978149
>You would think robot crew would be more numerous in TNG.
Brave New World, in the Echoes and Refractions Myriad Universes collection, goes over this. It also includes a continuation of the Yesteryear universe, where Kirk dies during Star Trek III, and the Space Whale probe destroys Earth. It's a surprisingly good collection, also having a short story where Bajor is never released from the Occupation, and the Cardassians make contact with the Dominion and proceed to fuck over the ENTIRE Alpha Quadrant.

Odd that Echoes and Refractions had 3 great stories, when the others had one good one and two shit ones. (The Embrace of Cold Architects has a cool scenario where Riker proceeds to start a war with Cardassia over the Wounded episode)

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>>49949232

So, did Captain Benjaman Maxwell fuck up? Or did he fuck up royal?

I mean, seriously, he knew the Cardies were rearming for war. He felt strongly enough about it to start the war first.

Instead of, say, boarding the Cardassian "research outpost" and taking tons and tons of pix - which anyone with a crew the size of a Nebula would be capable of doing - he just blew it the hell up.

My belief is that he fucked up royal. Shoving evidence in the Federation's face would have forced them to take action, rather than letting them write him off as a rogue loon suffering from delayed-onset PTSD who happened to stumble upon some coincidences and draw an incorrect conclusion that put him suddenly back "in the war."

Also, why, exactly, were the crew of the USS Phoenix willing to go along with it? Destroying a "research outpost," or a transport ship?
Clearly, they had either seen some evidence they found compelling, or Maxwell is one hell of a debate champion who convinced them to go along with it without hard evidence in hand. That, or damn near the ENTIRE SHIP was stacked to the pressure hull with Cardassian War veterans who were all as ready to go back to war as Maxwell was.

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>>49979317
Whoops! Forgot the pic related.

>>49979317
The problem with Maxwell's actions is that there were literally no satisfactory ways of completion. His actions in the episode strained tensions badly, but direct evidence would have force the Federation into action, starting a war the Feds simply were not ready for, even if you add in the Borg preparation headcanon. Even worse, if the Federation goes to war with Cardassia, Central Command would not have ended the Occupation, meaning the Wormhole would end up in their hands, and probably dooming the Alpha Quadrant.

As for the Phoenix, they had the evidence, and were probably Cardassian War vets as you said. The treaty to end that war sat poorly, judging by the rapid and massive support the Maquis enjoyed.

Holy shit, how the fuck did Nana Visitor consistently stay a fox for all of DS9? Season 6 she still had a little of the baby weight, but goddamn season 7 she was back to full form.

>>49935761

Of course not. He has the wrong number of pips. Data was a lieutenant commander, not a commander as shown in the video.

Also, magic rings don't turn you invisible.

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>>49979434
It would have forced the Federation to do what they should have done in the first place, which was destroy Cardassia's ability to MAKE war, instead of just defending their territory until the Cardies gave up through sheer exhaustion of throwing Galor class warships at far-greater vessels and getting them pounded into paste.

>>49979471
Dunno. Good makeup artists and a fit, active lifestyle? Genetically blessed? Blessed by the Prophets?

>>49978149
I like that idea.

There is one team of them using the main computer as a hub. Barclay assigned them to hull maintenance.

They remind him of a less adaptive Data but they are very easy to get along with. At least for him. He is protective of them.

>>49935123
>Data's Sex Face Edition.
Love that.

>>49979841
That they all look like human sexpots probably doesn't hurt, either.

Come to think of it, I imagine Space Suit Dave Innatubes likes them, too. I can see him popping out of an exterior hatch, scanning the hull with his phaser rifle, and establishing laser-comms with the nearest hull maintenance android crewwoman to get a report on the exterior situation.

Because nobody can intercept laser comms, see.

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>>49950979
The Federation seems to be really unfriendly to augmentation and body-modding, or anything that looks too much like it. My guess is you get near-perfect transition, but only to a vanilla member of the opposite gender.

The Federation is many things, but the glorious transhuman future it is not.

Why do Romulans dress like fucks? Also do you think those costumes were uncomfortable for the actors? They're so fuckhuge.

>>49981342
Muted colors convey sobriety and sometimes mystery. Wide, square shoulders convey authority. Bowl cut conveys nothing, but that's just how Vulcanoids roll.

>>49981423
They look like they're wearing those fat sumo suits.

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>>49980886
They just need someone to Eclipse Phase their shizzle.
Someone with piles and piles of social augmentations, who can out-argue Captain Jean-Luc "Super Liberal except when it comes to defying the shit sandwich that natural selection gave you" Picard on the debate floor.

>>49981499

>Former borg drone defeats Picard in a rap battle

>>49979916
No! You're not to be enjoying it arrrrgh...

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>>49981554
> Tainting transhumanism by association with the Borg.


How about a cybernetic space elf-lamia. Someone who was a Starfleet officer, then got REALLY drunk on shore leave, and...

> Ensign Faith O'Mally, the Snek Innatubes.
Faith was an ordinary, bog-standard sciences officers from Belfast, Ireland, assigned to an Ambassador-class starship that was exploring outside the Federation. They ran into a small-but-densely-packed polity of humans who had left before the Federation was a thing, who have survived by practicing transhumanism to a ludicrous degree. Aboard a flying barge full of people who cheerfully referred to themselves as "the nicest scum you'll ever meet," she got WAAAAAAAASTED because Scum do not into synthahol, and whilst drunk, accepted the offer of a body-swap from a Scummer who fancied being a buxom baseline Irishwoman.

When everybody came to their senses, Faith was in the body of a black-skinned elf-lamia, and someone else was in her old body. The Ambassador's chief medical officer found this extremely irregular, especially given that she had no idea how in the high fuck to get them back to their own bodies; nor did either of them wish to go. Faith was able to, under questioning, prove her identity, and with the CMO being given a data-dump on the care and maintenance of her new morph by a Scum doc, was sent back.

She was transferred to the USS Ark Royal, because even an Ambassador isn't big enough for her new body and frankly, she freaked out most of her old shipmates. Now Faith is known as the Snek Innatubes, for her habit of diving headfirst Innatubes and using them to get through the ship, citing it as faster than the lifts. Her new body is fully vacuum-capable, so she's well known to the hull-maintenance crew, and during the ship's weekly hostile boarding, likes to conduct hit-and-run strikes from the Kingdom of Innatubes, coiling around a hapless foe and dragging them Innatubes where they can be subdued/brutally murdered by Dave.

>>49981720
How long before the entire crew is innatubes?

>>49982207

>TFW an unreasonable number of hostile boarders swarm the ship.
>> TFW everyone is captured, dead, or innatubes.

Space Suit Dave would not be taking such population pressures innatubes well. I mean, needs must, after all, especially when you are waging war for your home, but he would not take it well.

> Dave would go Onnahull.

>>49982207
To be clear, Faith is not Dave. She does not LIVE Innatubes, but unlike the vast majority of the crew, she does not fear to traverse the realm of Space Suit Dave. Probably because she always had tricorder-equavilent sensors up and runing in her field of view, boosted reflexes, and basically all the Eclipse Phase bodily augmentations she could ever ask for, so what would prove to be a disabling trap were some other crewman to run across it by mistake is to her, at most, mild inconvenience, and then she knows where not to go so as not to intrude further upon the sanctum of Lt. Dave Innatubes.

Dave lives Innatubes, she just works and visits there. I mean, Dave isn't the only guy who ever goes innatubes - the Space Whale class is bloody ENORMOUS, even working full-time, he's only one man, other repairs and shit innatubes have to be done. But not many people besides Ensigns Hipps and Faith are really comfortable Innatubes, and then only generally to pass through.

Ah goddamnit, I meant to toss the nametag. Oh well.

>>49938579
>>49938622

BSG had some great production values: acting, sets, special effects, etc. The scripting/dialog was very good. But the writing (theme, mood, character and plot arcs) was very weak. OK compared to TV series of prior decades, but not up to par with the shows of its own time or later. For all its flaws, this was Babylon 5's greatest strength, and of all Ron Moore's work, only DS9 even came close.

Once they ran out of original series plots to recycle (end of Season 2), the show had no idea where it was going or what it was trying to say. The plot kind of fell apart. It was a good show in a technical sense, but it gave me the impression of a writers' room that was disorganized and focused on putting out that week's fires without looking ahead or behind very much.

>>49949321
>That's like the combination of all of my favorite RIG suit features from Dead Space II, the Medical Hardsuit from Space Station 13, a few Mass Effect II suits, and concentrated Trek awesomeness.

It's everything except Star Trek. Frankly I don't see any trek-ishness in it, or in hardsuits in general.

It's like when they added space fighters. Cool concept, nobody argues with that. They look great, and even have strong ST design cues. But fighters aren't very Star Trek to begin with.

Ultimately, there's a point where you've "evolved" the setting so much that you've basically created a new setting that shares some common elements but is no longer its antecedent.

>>49957816

Basically, it was a case of "here's something cool we could do" rather than having any long-range idea of who the character is or where his development should take him.

>>49965038

Bridge crews seem to vary wildly. Some ships have science officers, some don't (even ships with large elaborate science teams and frequent scientific missions). The duties of communications, tactical, operations, and security chief seem to overlap or substitute for one another in different ways depending on the ship. Apart from a few cameos and O'Brien, there seem to be very few non-coms or enlisted personnel. O'Brien's non-com status never interfered with him being given posts normally reserved for senior officers (tactical on the Phoenix and Operations Officer on DS9 and Chief Engineer of the Defiant), and he never got a promotion. In fact, he was DEmoted; he was referred to and costumed as a Lieutenant in Season 2. Geordi jumped from helm to engineering too.

So basically it's not clear what rank and billet mean in Star Trek. In-universe, maybe starship captains have considerable leeway to define bridge roles as they see fit. IRL, of course, it's all driven by the needs of writing, the chemistry of the different cast members, and what a particular showrunner prefers.

>>49965056

Humanity has grown beyond the need for tabletop RPGs by the 24th century.

>>49981720

>Straight up transhuman faction
>Tainting by association

Just because they're the bad guys doesn't mean they don't fit the bill Anon

>>49979317
>>49979434

Picard addresses all this at the end of the episode. Maxwell inspired great loyalty in his crew, even when he violated the rules or took big gambles. (Picard did much the same when he felt it was expedient to HIS personal morality. Down as he was on the Pegasus incident and the violation of the treaty with the Romulans, he was happy to violate the treaty himself when it suited him.)

Picard knew full well that the Cardassians were violating the treaty and preparing for another war. His orders were to keep the peace, not enforce the treaty or protect the federation. He said exactly that to the Cardassian at the end of the episode.

Maxwell probably destroyed those ships because once in battle he had no choice (that happens to the Enterprise too at times). Picard refused to scan the ship on purpose because if he did then it would almost certainly have vindicated Maxwell (political influence) and started a war (moral/strategic/ideological).

Legally, who was right was ambiguous: both Captains were turning blind eyes to some provisions of the treaty in order to enforce other provisions. Maxwell and Picard both were watching the clock: Maxwell thought that time would let the Cardassians continue to build up, and Picard felt that time would give the Federation the advantage. The big difference was that Picard had the political backing of Starfleet (even when he violates orders he has considerable political influence that bails him out of trouble). Whereas Maxwell was out there on his own and if he had any political support we never saw it.

When you think about it, Starfleet captains have almost ridiculous autonomy to make Federation policy essentially on a whim. Every captain we see on screen makes huge long-term policy decisions on his own judgment, and often violates what rules and treaties are supposed to limit them. And crews are usually supposed to back them no matter what.

>>49982672
>Every captain we see on screen makes huge long-term policy decisions on his own judgment, and often violates what rules and treaties are supposed to limit them.

It's weird how true this is and how little shit any captain gets for breaking a treaty or even breaking the Prime Directive. Consider the Kobayashi Maru exam. Starfleet officers-in-training are presented with a situation where they can choose to either violate a Federation treaty and enter the Neutral Zone, or not. Both choices are somehow presented as equally bad.

>>49982652

Transhumanism has been viewed with suspicion, fear, and revulsion for a very long time in sci fi. ESPECIALLY during the cyberpunk era, when genetic engineering, biomods, cybernetics, and AI were all seen as dangerous and pollutions of human purity. Some of that was the hippie anti-technology movement, some was memories of nazi eugenics programs (and American programs that people remembered but by then had stopped talking openly about). Some was just future shock.

Star Trek was actually part of the early movement to strip away some of the stigma. Khan and his Eugenics wars are balanced by the example of Julian Bashir (and the lame attempt to argue the philosophy of banning genetic engineering did raise interesting points). The evil killer AIs that you saw all the time in the original series is balanced by Data in TNG. Cyborgs have their representation in Geordi (though no many evil cyborgs in the rest of ST canon).

If you want a series that REALLY has it in for transhumans, try Doctor Who. Nearly every evil race is some kind of transhuman gone horribly evil and wrong by virtue pretty much purely of their transhuman-ness. Often founded and masterminded by a disabled scientist as part of a megalomaniacal revenge fantasy.

>>49982699

If Star Trek stories are anything to go by, the Neutral Zone is more a vague suggestion than a hard and fast rule. That fucker gets violated more than your mum.

>>49982699

YES. Great example.

Yeah obviously this is writer's room hollywood syndrome. Violating the rules (defying superiors, civilian political leaders, laws and treaties) is totally wrong and evil when that's the story you want to tell. But it's a Moral Imperative when the writer is telling a morality tale and/or it's particular moral principles that that week's writer holds dear.

OTOH, Ron Moore once commented that he felt that by the TNG era, the Federation was at the height of its power but was in decline and long run would fall apart.

So you could read this as being a symptom of that decline. Starfleet makes all these elaborate rules and regulations and orders, knowing the captains will more or less do as they please. If things go well, then they get official blessing or at worse a mild reprimand delivered by a smiling admiral along with a pat on the back. If things don't go well, then Starfleet will use your violation to throw all the blame on you and make you a scapegoat. Even if you follow orders totally, they'll find some "higher principle" you lost sight of and still blame you.

The result is you have "political captains" who are adept at justifying themselves to their crew, their superiors, and the federation council. Those Picard speeches are meant to set up the political spin. Ideally, these captains are also adept at solving big strategic problems using their own resources and without getting Starfleet on the hook for a decision by bringing in reinforcements.

It explains why the cadets at the Academy are such dicks whenever they're on screen.

And it's realistic: it's how real governments and militaries have worked throughout history. There's what the law says you have the authority to do, and then what you really can do. If things turn out well, the government will overlook whatever rules you broke to accomplish it.

>>49982759

Well, the original cybermen (As opposed to the NuWho ones) didn't go wrong as such. They 100% went as intended. The issue was that they didn't give a shit about anything but their own survival BEFORE the transhumanism got involved and they focused themselves more and more in that way. Same with the Scaro guys who were the precursors to the Daleks.

Also: Time Lords are a transhuman group themselves. They are genemodded Galifrayans. So the Doctor himself is trans...well, transgalifrayan.

Generally Dr Who is less 'Anti-transhumanism' and more 'Think carefully before you make rash decisions' with technology. It tends to be against 'Hey, we developed a new tech. Let's immediately go 200% on using it'. Like the Lazerus guy. He wasn't a problem because he wanted to cure death. He was a problem because he decided to just go 'fuck it' and test the device on himself without properly understanding the consequence.

It makes sense considering when Dr Who was made and all the concerns they'd have about new technology being turned to dangerous uses.

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>>49982759
Yfw this is basically what an exploration of transhumanism in Star Trek would have ended up as.

>>49982874

Think of the dilemma of whether or not to infect Hugh with the anti-Borg virus, or whether or not to save that planet with the little girl that Data found, or how to handle the time that those vulcan-like aliens started worshiping The Picard.

The bridge crew is constantly in that conference room talking about great moral and political principles of these species-altering decisions that will have implications for billions of people. And yet the one thing you NEVER hear from anybody is, "Hey, you know? Why don't we just call up Starfleet and let our elected political leaders on the Federation Council make this decision? This is why we have elected governments, right?"

No, they figure it out themselves and Starfleet doesn't really seem to care so long as they don't create a screwup that's dangerous and/or embarrassing for the rest of Starfleet.

Now I'm remembering all the bitching and complaints about Section 31 from DS9 and thinking that yeah it's terrible that you have unaccountable military officials basically doing what they please without oversight based purely on their own internal personal political beliefs about what's for the greater good. Sure. Awful. But doesn't that describe all of Starfleet?

>>49982953

Well, Starfleet personal can at least be held accountable after the event.

Also: Man, I'd love to see a series with a major character from Starfleet Inteligence that isn't a member of section 31. As Starfleet Intelligence exists and are apparently pretty good but rarely turn up on screen.

>>49982874
Is that an explanation for why all Starfleet admirals are evil, insane, or both? A work environment like that would select for ruthless sociopaths, people who succeed by any means necessary when there's trouble but then put a charming spin on it after the smoke clears. People who know that the only real war crime is losing the war.

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Is Section 31 justified?

>>49983674

Not really. What do they do that Starfleet Intelligence can't do beyond 'Fuck everything up'?

>>49983694
They operate without oversight and regulations, they're not subject to political whims within the Federation's bureaucracy. They, above all, protect human interests and make sure humanity remains the centerpiece of the Federation and its dominant species.

>>49983733

>They operate without oversight and regulations

That's not really a good thing.

They are also rather counter productive to the federation as a whole if they are racially motivated.

>>49983767
>That's not a good thing
That's entirely dependent on whether the regulatory system is beneficial or harmful to their ability to complete their mission.

>They are also rather counter productive to the federation as a whole if they are racially motivated.
That's a subjective assessment. If humans are the strongest, most capable and dynamic species within the Federation, put the most investment into its defense, its culture and its infrastructure then why shouldn't they be kept as the fulcrum on which it turns despite the momentary misguided whims of inclusivity?

>>49983843

>That's entirely dependent on whether the regulatory system is beneficial or harmful to their ability to complete their mission.

No, it's in general a pretty bad thing because an ongoing organisation without oversight is amazingly open to abuse. Starfleet intelligence is just as capable of skulduggery without being sans oversight like section 31.

>>49983874
Starfleet Intelligence is subject to the political directives of an overarching bureaucracy with various factions and interests. What if they don't want us spying on the Romulons because they're our allies now, even if that could change and it'd be better to keep an eye of them? What if someone gets elected on a platform of staffing Starfleet Intelligence with their personal appointees to go after a pet cause rather than a real threat? The political interests could set back the Federation's interests because they are, by design, changing and varied. Section 31 has a mandate to do what is in the Federation (and by extension, humanity's) best interest, always and without dilution. That makes them very effective and, I think, necessary.

>>49936539
>What is different
Chakotay doesn't exist.

Everything else is exactly the same.

>>49984060

Except a mandate without any oversight to enforce it is worthless.

>>49971640
What on earth makes you think the bullet is coming out the mouthpiece?
Do you think that red stuff is a bullet?

>>49979471
She is STILL a fox, its crazy.

>>49982652
The Borg are not transhumanist.
Transhumanism is about individual empowerment and choice. Those are the antithesis of the Borg, which is hardcore mind-enslavement collectivism in which individuals are entirely subsumed by the whole.

>>49984060
I'd also like to point out that we only get a look at what Section 31 does three times in the entire series, four if we count the retcon of Trip Tucker's death (which we should), and only one agent's operations. The first Section 31 episode is actually a very good use of their mandateless powers, despite being horrifying to Bashir and the audience. S31 knows exactly what happens when you let augments off the chain, and one in league with the Dominion would have terrible consequences. The second is a kill and replace mission that is more the bailiwick of SIC, but I guess we needed to show Bashir that S31 could do simple operations.

Then we get to killing the Changelings. Say what you want, but that's the hard calculus of ending a war. S31 didn't seem to think beyond the consequences of ending the war in the Alpha Quadrant, but I suspect they didn't care, to be honest. Destabilizing the entire Gamma Quadrant to end the war would have ended very poorly 70 years later for the AQ, but hey.

Personally, I think the writers spent more time trying to say actual intelligence operations are horrible mean evil things and that every spy should be James Bond, despite having Garak on the station.

>>49980569
Dave does not mind them. They are predictable but because of this they are harmless and they seldom trespass upon his realm. If he sticks his head out of an external hatch and sees one they may communicate in light blinks but they have very rarely anything interesting to say and he has nothing to say that they care very much about.

>>49978149
After Data's elevation to personhood the Mudd's Girls robots were not very long after also given similar rights. Admittedly they were not quite as clever as Data, not as independent and nowhere near as creative but they had to be declared sapient because they were still smarter than the average Pak'led.

The A.I. hub on the planet has never seen any reason to build robots for no reason but it does lneed to know whats out there to prepare for shit and ensure it's own safety.

To this end it loaned ten of it's units to Starfleet for their technical services on the condition that Starfleet keep them informed on events beyond their star system.

On the whole Starfleet never trusted them overmuch and dumped them in the Ark Royal.

>>49978231
They've adapted. After dealing with Kirk all units are built with bullshit absorbing crumple zones.

>>49985376
I'd like to point out that the only real source we have for Section 31s efficacy is Section 31.

>>49986239
That I'll admit freely. No intelligence agency will cop to being a confederacy of fuckups. And with how incompetent in general Starfleet gets at times, we have to assume that they have a 66% success rate at best.

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Has anybody else been to the TOS fan sets in Ticonderoga New York? It is pretty well done.

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>>49986934
TOS is so cozy

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>>49936539
>Changing the Doctor or Tukov
Why would you ruin the best part of the show. Maybe actually fully blind Tukov like in the year of hell.

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>>49949055
>>49982258

Ensigns Hipps, I'm guessing, was sentenced to the Ark Royal for her vocal support of trying to start a program to very, very gradually and slowly introduce augment genes into the human and compatible with human species of the Federation.

Three is no punishment to having an unpopular opinion in Starfleet, not even if you are vocal about it and get a petition among the officers going.

What they sent her to the barge of the Styx for was using her talents with retro-viral engineering to offer free gen-mods to civilians on the colonies her old ship frequented. Nothing major beyond correcting things that were considered too minor to justify genetic rewriting and maybe a little something extra here and there.

She hadn't done anything illegal, as such. All her artistry was done in her off duty hours, in civilian owned medical institutes to consenting patients with no interest in trying to get into Starfleet. Her captain and the other officers did not approve of her use of her free time, not one little bit.

And of Miriana Hipps there were always the damning whispers that maybe she had tried her work upon herself. Was there a policy of expelling officers with augmentations obtained after graduation? Even if there was there had been precedent that it was not set in stone as exceptions obviously had to have been made. Enterprise crew mutation into animals and then using a mutagen to turn them back for example. And all her medical health checkups were done by a Doctor who took his oaths of confidentiality seriously and as she had no medical concerns that would effect her performance the results of the tests he ran will never see the light of day.

The Board of Admirals don't like smart arses and so with no legal right to kick her out they did the next best thing an posted her to the Ark Royal. Forever.

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>>49988811
I'm pretty sure Starfleet and the UFP in general was forced to go hard back on their "no augments" policy after the Dominion War.

That having been said, if the Space Whale-class USS Ark Royal already has two superhuman Japanese teenagers who claim to be 200-year-old former Starfleet Captains, Augments by their own admission, as well as Ensign Hipps, then it's pretty obvious who the CMO must be.

> Lt. Commander Julian Subatoi Bashir, Chief Medical Officer, USS Ark Royal.

>>49989437
Oh fucking hell yes.

Would also explain why these fuck ups >>49947981
Got dumped on the ship when Starfleet got sick of dealing with them.