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>Knights edition

Tell us about your knightly characters, /pfg/!

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Knights are cool and good, especially royal guards.

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>>49913569

>>49913590
I ain't made any.

hey this may not be the place to ask this but does anyone have more of the pathfinder comics that were being dumped a while ago? They are good reading materials to get familiar with the setting and some of the modules plus they were pretty okay and would like to read more of them.

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>>49913590
I ran a Pathfinder game in Faerun.

There was a Paladin of Torm who wore full plate around Venice, and he broke his adamantine sword while trying to smite an ooze.
There was a Warpriest of Tempus who was almost killed by two sea-gargoyles. She used a Hero point to survive the encounter. The sea-gargoyles had levels in Ranger.

There was an NPC Paladin of Sune, and the party Rogue threw out most of the mementos of his late wife while looking for treasure. She stole some magical studded leather. I was going to have the Paladin come out of retirement to hunt her down.
There was an NPC Aasimar Paladin of Mystra who escorted that same Rogue into the Plane of Shadow to purify a school on the Material plane. She missed the flag a few sessions later to have him avoid getting in a fight. He was at low enough hit points to get one-shotted by a half-dragon Erinyes that the Rogue was fighting. I was going to have the Aasimar get raised to track down the Rogue's boss.

That Rogue really hated knights.

>>49913569
That lama looks fucking boss.

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Continuing this.
>People shouldn't be wearing full plate at very low levels
>When they do get in armor it should provide decent defensive bonuses
>Extending the viability of Combat Maneuvers a bit isn't a bad thing

>>49913809
Label your fucking axes.

>>49913809
>>When they do get in armor it should provide decent defensive bonuses
By decent defensive bonuses you mean making them more likely to suffer from maneuvers?

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>>49913858
I always do.
>>49913879
At level 1 in full plate? Yes that should be a thing.
At level 20 in full plate? It's a very minor effect in exchange for 14 DR.
In between? If it's a concern at your level consider using something slightly less than full plate to reap the DR benefits and minimize CMD penalties.
Allowing enemies to use their turns for things other than full attacks is also a plus. It reduces rocket tag effect and adds interest to the game.

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>>49913754
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/animals/herd-animals/herd-animal-llama

That could be your next PCs mount.

>>49913933
Recall that Combat Maneuvers are slanted against PCs.

They stop working later in the game because everything ends up being fuckhuge, and they likely won't be wearing armor.

The ones it DOES work on are people who DO wear armor.

>>49913933
>I always do.
But you don't give sufficient explanation. "Full Plate AC/DR Progression". What the fuck is that?

>>49913959
I'm aware, eventually enemy CMDs end up so high that players have no chance of Combat Maneuvers against them much less tumble checks past them. That's why the penalty should be kept static to armor's base values, while the AC and DR scale with magic bonuses. The result is that at high levels your defensive bonuses progress while your penalty becomes minor in relative terms because everything else scales.
>>49913986
I'm sorry this is continued from the discussion last thread. Someone proposed AC granted by armor giving equal DR. The "Progression" here is an estimation of what level the PC advances his armor, going by when it's very reasonable by his WBL to do so.

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>>49913569
I AM YOUR SHIELD.

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Alright. Navaros stuff. Need some eyes.

Writing out some equipment stuff, how does this set of rules look. As a baseline.

strength ratings off the top of my head

none for Derringer/Revolver

10 for a repeater rifle

12 for a shotty

16 for the hunting rifle (can be fired without that strength while prone)

20 for a gatling gun (unmounted, aka, some psycho carrying one around)

Scatter rules are a different firing mode, where the weapon fires in a cone, so 30ft cone for shotgun OR it can be fired normally, (might increase its damage die for normal fire, and it gets a smaller one for scatter)

Gatling gun can fire normally or in a scatter spray that does half their damage dice (probably need to make it so its not dex to damage to everything in the cone? Or just 1 thing? idk)

Any opinions.

>>49914027
Are these CMD penalties the same for all maneuvers?

So is it easier to shove around a guy in full plate? Easier to disarm him? Sunder his weapon?

>>49914093
What do you think would work best?

>>49914107
Not having the stupid rules in the first place?

>>49914117
Why are you playing Pathfinder then?

>>49914107
Not that anon, but ACP as a bonus to CMD against forced movement maneuvers seems cool and good.

>>49914120
That's not a justification for adding stupid rules.

>>49914072

crossbows

str 0 1d1
str 2 1d2
str 4 1d3
str 6 1d4
str 8 1d4+1 (small sized)
str 10 2d4
str 12 2d4+1
str 14 3d4
str 16 3d4+1 (medium sized)
str 18 4d4
str 20 4d4+1
str 22 5d4
str 24 5d4+1 (large sized)
str 26 6d4
str 28 6d4+1
str 30 7d4


rapid reload or martial proficiency =

the same strength tier = free action
1 higher strength tier = move action
2 higher strength tier = standard action
3 higher strength tier = 1 full round action
4 higher strength tier = 2 full round action
5 higher strength tier = 4 full round action
6 higher strength tier = 8 full round action
7 higher strength tier = 16 full round action
8 higher strength tier = 32 full round action
large size = +1 tier

guns

dex 0 1d1
dex 2 1d2
dex 4 1d3
dex 6 1d4
dex 8 1d4+1
dex 10 1d6
dex 12 1d6+1
dex 14 2d6
dex 16 2d6+1
dex 18 3d6
dex 20 3d6+1
dex 22 4d6
dex 24 4d6+1
dex 26 5d6
dex 28 5d6+1
dex 30 6d6 (large sized)

rapid reload or martial proficiency =

the same dexterity tier = move action
1 higher dexterity tier = standard action
2 higher dexterity tier = 1 full round action
3 higher dexterity tier = 2 full round action
4 higher dexterity tier = 4 full round action
5 higher dexterity tier = 8 full round action
6 higher dexterity tier = 16 full round action
7 higher dexterity tier = 32 full round action
8 higher dexterity tier = 64 full round action
large size = +1 tier

>>49914107
Something other than a CMD penalty.

And honestly look at it this way.

Early game, armor is super helpful. +9 AC from full plate can make you super hard to hurt in the early game.

It's later on where it starts to fall off a little since AC becomes a less relevant defense.

Your proposed rules make it BETTER at early levels.

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>>49914138

>>49914138
>crossbows
>when gun exist

no.

>>49913712
Remove Toril Remove Toril you are the worst pantheon

>>49914072
Gatling should be 6d6 large
Shotgun large is 2d6: there's a progression in the system for these things you know
1d10 goes to 2d8 when large, not 2d6 that's 1d8s
2d8 goes 3d8 and 4d8, not 3d6 and 3d8.

For things 1d6 or higher, when you go up a size, the maximum damage increases by 150%, rounded down to nearest d6 or d8 value depending on previous die types. Thus 2d6<3d6<4d6<6d6<8d6<12d6<16d6<24d6<32d6<48d6<72d6<108d6 and so on. d8s are the same. 1d12 COUNTS as 2d6 for size growth so a large 2d6 becomes 3d6 right away, while 1d10 grows to 2d8, and this applies to multiples of those dice (a 2d12 double-hackbut becomes 6d6 when large, a railgun becomes 6d8).

And yes, things keep climbing past colossal for damage scale.

>>49914171
actually the official damage dice progressions would make it 4d6 > 4d8 > 6d6 > 6d8

Which is actually far more mathematically sound.

>>49914178
The official dice damage chart moves ahead two steps after 1d8. Multiple d8s are only reserved for 1d10 weapon tracks.

>>49914191
wrong?

http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9t3f

>>49914125
So trip, reposition, maybe bullrush? Going off the ACP seems neat since it's basically already the stat to account for the difficuly of wearing armor, but heavier armors would suffer even more at -6 for full plate.
>>49914149
Sorry I didn't propose the DR thing, someone else did. I like the idea but I'd never incorporate it. I'm just tinkering with ways to tweak it for those sad unchained rogue players last thread who lament not being able to 1 shot an enemy in full plate at level 1.

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>>49914171
It got worse in 5E. All the gods that died during and after the Time of Troubles came back.

>>49914193
> If the size increases by one step, look up the original damage on the chart and increase the damage by two steps. If the initial size is Small or lower (or is treated as Small or lower) or the initial damage is 1d6 or less, instead increase the damage by one step.

>>49914209
well thats unintuitive as fuck

>>49914230
Of course, especially given it's the exact same damage tracks as 3.x, i believe. Except 3.x made it clear by having them be two different tracks.

>>49914236
man fuck paizo

Alright noted and updating

how does this build look?

Ninja 1 fauchard prof, dodge, combat reflexes
ninja 2 power attack
Enlightened paladin1 Mobility, imp unarmed strike
enlightened paladin 2
enlightened paladin 3 Spring attack
Shadow dancer 1
enlightened paladin 4 Combat patrol
Shadowdancer 2
Shadowdancer 3 Fast stealth, ???

thoughts?

>>49914284
Like a troll.

>>49913569
I'm torn between drafting up some pixel art tile sets to build a mega dungeon for my next campaign, actually drawing the damn thing, and finding a software to do it for me.
What do you use for your combat maps /pfg/?

>>49914299
Tiled.

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>>49914165

>Crossbows
>When guns exist

que?

>>49914341
>literally a meme

>>49914284
Why would you want to waste proficiency on a Fauchard if it's quite clear that you're going with IUS later?

>>49914284
Not this shit again

>>49914289
he's playing a no magic pathfinder game

Its so bad.

>>49914354
Because he's retarded I guess.

>>49914171
question, do you think that the hunting rifle is too good compared to the gatling oorrr

>>49914354
I think he's trying to end turns one hand off so he can wreak the benefits of higher reach from the fauchard (which extends his Combat Patrol an additional 5 feet) while also threatening his immediate area with IUS for maximum over-AoOs?
So yes stupid.

>>49914138
That's overly complicated.

Instead short, simple set of options:
>Portability (determines weight, concealability, die type and max Strength Bonus by material)
>Strength (strength bonus of the crossbow)
>Loading Type (allows you to draw far more than you could hand-pull)
>Material (duh)

Concealable (hand/wristmount): 1d4: Max Strength Bonus = 1/2 Material Hardness
Light: 1d6: Max SB = 3/4 Material Hardness
Standard (2h): 2d4: Max SB = Hardness
Heavy: 2d8: Max SB = 125% Hardness

Strength: = Strength Bonus. Affects cost. Cannot load higher SB by hand.

Loading:
>Hand-Drawn: No-Action (as bows) if SB lower than your own, else Free action but provoking possible if SB Equal. Cannot load higher SB.

>Lever (pull or push): Allows loading of crossbow up to 3SB above self. Move action base reload

>Stirrup: Allows loading of crossbow up to +6SB above self. Full Round action base reload

>Cranequin: Allows loading of crossbow up to +10SB above self. 2 Full Rounds base reload

>Windlass: No limit. 4 Full Rounds base reload

>>49914439
>Repeater Upgrade: Reduces loading by 1 step while ammunition remains. Replacing magazine instead adds one step (Cranequin becomes 1rd or 4rd to replace mag). Incompatible with Stirrups.

>Clockwork Upgrade: Advanced gears or basic magitech remove provocation from reloading. Reloading done automatically but at repeater speed (so you can put it down as it winds up for a round if you must) while ammunition remains. Also available as steam/pneumatic system in other regions/settings.

>High-Tech: Capable of mounting sights as firearms, integral clockwork system (without the massive increase in weight), integral Compound upgrade. Accelerated bolts: 50% chance to negate cut/smash/deflect/snatch or equivalent effects and affects counter-maneuvers as if firearm while powered. Counts as hand-loaded (and likely impossible to draw as a result by most) if unpowered.

>Repeater Magazines available in 5, 10(unwieldy, -1 hit unless clockwork or high-tech), and if clockwork/tech, 20 bolt drums as well.

>Crossbow Mastery reduces by 1 step above and beyond Rapid Reload. Does not apply if a clockwork or technological crossbow is left unattended while autoloading.
>>49914401
I think the Gatling is a bit on the pathetic side rather. And it's not even really 'automatic' it's just "somehow a spray"?

>>49914439
Just refluff bows.

>>49914450
Interesting.

Also its not just 'somehow a spray'

There's a focused fire option that deals the total damage to one target and the spray deals about half that to everything in the cone (thinking 60ft cone)

Do you think increasing the damage die would be enough?

>>49914470
Did you miss the part where that's boring as fucking hell?

>>49914439
i'm not helping out crossbows

fuck crossbows, they're ass and i hate them.

>>49914511

Crossbows are one of the greatest weapons ever made by humans

Fite me faget

>>49914523
>greatest weapon made by humans

That's it. I'm sick of all this "Heavy Crossbow" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Crossbows deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine crossbow in Italy for 4,500 Euro (that's about £2000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even pierce slabs of solid steel with my crossbow.

European smiths spend days working on a single crossbow and test it up to two dozen times to produce the finest peasant weapon known to mankind.

Crossbows are thrice as easy to train as an English Longbow and thrice as deadly for that matter too. Anything a bodkin arrow can punch through, a crossbow bolt can punch through better, and more accurately too. I'm pretty sure a crossbow could easily pierce the lung of a Gendarme wearing full plate with a simple trigger pull.

Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering medieval Europe? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Crossbowmen and their implements of destruction. Even in the Fifteenth Century, the Vatican banned the use of crossbows against Christians because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Crossbows are simply the best ranged weapon that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Crossbows:

Light Crossbow (Two-Handed Martial Weapon) 1d12 Damage 19-20 x4 Crit +2 to hit and damage Range 200ft

Heavy Crossbow (Two-Handed Exotic Weapon) 2d10 Damage 17-20 x4 Crit +5 to hit and damage Range 280ft

Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Crossbows in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Crossbows need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block.

>>49914354
IUS is free from enlightened paladin

>>49914362
help me with my build so i can fuck off.

>>49914560
There is no helping you

Only madness lies ahead.

>>49914530
>Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering medieval Europe? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Crossbowmen and their implements of destruction.
The madmen!

>>49914560
What even is your build? What are you trying to do and why?

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>>49914530
Did you read Distant Shores? They have some of that for crossbows.

>>49914577
possibly my favorite /tg/ copypasta

>>49914582
>>49914582

Here's the breakdown: Stealth can be triggered every time you move, for any reason, as long as you are within 10 feet of dim light. Combat patrol allows you to expand your threatened area by 5 ft per 5 BAB, and allows you to move as part of these attacks.

Your actions in combat are therefore as follows:

Round 1: If spring attack, move (while in stealth), attack, then move into position for maximum AoOs (while using that movement for stealth)

Round 2+: Break stealth in the middle of the enemy formation and set up combat patrol. Take a free action to tell them they fight like a dairy farmer. If they move towards you, move (and enter stealth while doing so) and then attack. repeat as neccesary.

The best part? Your combat actions actually mirror how shadowdancers work in fluff, what with bouncing in and out of stealth, appearing and dissapearing in a whirling dervish of steel and shadow. No one will know if they can actually hit you where you're at, because you might not still be there when they get to you.

also part of a no magic campaign with an average of 2 other players so far, so getting that shadow companion is kinda nice for an extra flanking buddy. Might just drop the extra levels of shadowdancer for more paladin... maybe.

>>49914487
>60ft cone
shouldn't it at least be based on the weapon's range?

Why wouldn't it get bigger if you've got a Distance weapon backed by Empowered Shots? And that's one hell of a wideass spray, when you make a 'cone'.

>>49914530
It was almost perfect, but you left 'cutting' in down on the second last line.

>>49914612
Fuck, needs 'Piercing'

>>49914608
Hmm.. That seems like it could work, I'd probably be comfortable changing gatling to 60ft normal to make ti match

I want to promote insane martial characters to blow something out of the water with a gigantic cone of destruction.

>>49914612
>>49914617
Rather, it should never have *replaced* cutting.
The whole point of the original copypastas was that you were still talking about bisecting knights with baseball gloves, lassos, testicles, evil fetuses etc etc etc.

>>49914640
but mostly Katanas

That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.

Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.

Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.

Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:

(One-Handed Exotic Weapon)
1d12 Damage
19-20 x4 Crit
+2 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork

(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon)
2d10 Damage
17-20 x4 Crit
+5 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork

Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block.

>>49914603
Why the fauchard?

Is 3pp available? If so, why not an initiator?

Still not sure why the paladin, other than it being a CHA-focused full BAB class.

This might be my inner caster supremacy, but a no magic game sounds boring to me from a combat perspective. This might be fun to play, but seems a bit gimmicky to me.

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>>49914628
I think the last thing my particular campaign needs right now is more martials doing even bigger zones of destruction with firearms.

"in first range increment" indeed.

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That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Padded Armor" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Cloth Armor deserves much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine gambeson in England for 200 Pounds (that's about $100) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even deflect slabs of solid steel with my cloth armor.

Medieval weavers spend weeks working on a single cloth armor and sew it up to a million times to produce the finest armor known to mankind.

Cloth armor is thrice as thick as metal armor and thrice as cheap for that matter too. Any longsword metal armor could deflect, cloth armor could deflect too. I'm pretty sure a cloth armor wearing pikeman could easily duel a knight wearing full plate with a simple readied spear.

Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered getting rid of their infantry? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined infantry and their cloth armor of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men wearing cloth first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Cloth armor is simply the best armor that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for cloth armor:

Cloth Armor
5 gp
+9 AC
+1 Maximum Dex Bonus
–6 Armor Check Penalty
35% Spellcraft Failure

>>49914661
Well If you read the rules this is intended for, he's also removing the touch AC (but giving dex to damage)

Seems like good fun and probably less cancer than current firearms which are either absolutely shit or god tier

>>49914655
>This might be my inner caster supremacy, but a no magic game sounds boring to me from a combat perspective. This might be fun to play, but seems a bit gimmicky to me.
>holding your own opinion while respecting and acknowledging possible merit in others
You don't belong here.

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>>49914673
Fuck, where do I go then?

>>49914686
To my bed

>>49914668
They probably should be harder to dodge, instead.
"resolve against flatfooted AC, but breastplates had a proofing mark for a reason"?

>>49914725
mmm, that seems to bring the opposite of how it should work though, from a brain-space point

People feel like you need to dodge guns n shit idk

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>>49914695
That's for marriage only!

>>49914737
That's the proposition here.

>>49914736
Except the whole point is that the projectile is a lot fucking faster than an arrow or a bolt. You don't "see" the bullet even coming your way without heavily superhuman senses and reflexes or time-fuckery, let alone have the time to get your body out of the way.

Hell, someone's head might blow off and THEN you hear the sound of the thing firing.

>>49914790
Hmmm..

Maybe that does make more sense.

>>49914800
I'm not him but yes, it really does. Firearms, especially old firearms, are susceptible to damage mitigation, but dodging bullets is a feat well above tanking them.

>>49914790
Fuck the guy at the gym, just have it hit AC like everything else

>>49914812
alright

Flat footed doesn't remove dodge bonuses though, right?

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>>49914814
Wait, what does a wanting a weapon to hit regular AC like other not-magic-spells have to do with you wanting to screw a dude at the gym?

I don't understand why you want pic to be related....

>>49914831
It does.

If you're deprived your Dex to AC, you're deprived Dodge bonuses too.

>>49914845
That kinda sucks. Bleh

>>49914838
Two different thoughts I combined into one because it's late. Saying you shouldn't be able to dodge stuff because we aren't capable isn't a valid thing when people can fly and turn into sandwiches and create their own demi-planes filled with sexy clones.

Another thought is to hit normal ac because it works fine for every other weapon.

>>49914831
Anything that negates dex to AC negates dodge as well.

"Resolves against" would take the number, whereas "the target is flatfooted" means not only that everyone's immune to it anyways by mid levels, but also would open them up before that point to sneak damage and all sorts of other stuff just because of the weapon choice.

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>PoW oneshot where the final boss is an arabian king whose goal is to gather fighting styles from across the continent
>After breaching his palace, the party will need to fight through a gauntlet of training rooms, each containing an elite user of one of the martial disciplines, before finally facing the king

I hope this will turn out as hype as it sounds. I wonder how to make it even more hype especially when the party is just level 5
Seriously there are no exciting piercing thunder maneuvers below level 3

>>49914862
thats probably a bit broken then

>>49914858
Except armor penetration is a thing, and there IS a difference between an two-foot arrow flying at 212fps towards you and something just the size of the arrow's head flying at five times that towards you.

Likewise, magic somehow targets your touch-AC because while you can dodge it somehow, you can't interpose your armor even when it's a beam of fire or the like, to even reduce damage a little.

>>49914560
Helping you requires you being willing to admit mistakes and concede things; You have had more than three threads worth of people telling you this is a fucking awful build, in an awful game and what you are trying to do is retarded.

If you're not willing to make any changes you cannot be helped.

>>49914858
>normal ac works fine for every other weapon
>crossbows suck balls

>>49914877
Resolves vs flatfooted AC means you don't count dex/dodge on the attack, but without MAKING the target flatfooted, which would be way too nasty especially early on.

>>49914874
How many of these girls do you expect to be graped pregnant by the end of the session?

>>49914898
The issue with crossbows isn't their targeting normal AC.

>>49914898
bleh.. I mean maybe that works out.

I feel like having no dex bonuses could suck but maybe it'll work out.

>>49914898
>which would be way too nasty especially early on.
It seems pretty powerful at first, but unlike Touch AC, Flat-footed scales consistently with level. In fact, it averages just about 2ish points behind regular AC.

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>>49914874
can I have full res versions of all those pictures. Have another mithral current.

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>>49914874
Here's one for silver crane!

>>49914932
Unlike touch where accuracy stays stuck at 95% from like level 6 onwards permanently.

>>49914932
he was talking about how it ISN'T that nasty early on because its not actually denying them dex as per sneak attack, just resolving against flat-footed AC, which i like

>>49914956
My bad, I see what you mean.

>>49914911
None. Probably all going to be dead, all things considered. Or unconscious, at least.

>>49914938
>>49914936
Thank you! I've been trying to get most of them looking like they fit in a desert-arabian setting though, which is why there's a lot of light clothes.

Full pictures: http://imgur.com/a/4dxWI

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>>49914938
I always liked kendal for silver crane. Particularly 2nd from left.

He fights with a bec-de-corbin and a mace/morningstar, controlled on different buttons in game. Left hand was for smaller quicker mace attacks, right hand was for bec-de-corbin attacks which were sweeping and could bind enemies and pull them to you.

You never see his face in game, but he'd go up against anything - from Regnier (the guy deserves his own wiki page) to ogres to giant fucking scorpions to bone dragons to an army of darkness representing entropy itself.

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>>49915065
>>49915093
>>49915104
Oh these are neat, thanks.
(But I probably have enough so while I'm sure these would be useful I don't need too many!)

>>49914896
Whay suggested changes beyond "don't play this", "don't play pathfinder" and "kill yourself" have been suggested?

Also what's wrong with the build? At least explain shit to a scrub so I can understand your reasoning.

I asked a few threads back about coming up with a cow made of bad ideas. I finally settled (with help) on a cow mutated by a farmboy practicing alchemy - complete with ingredient substitutions and a hilariously horrifying series of crit fails.
The cow was a hit. I now present The Bessies
Bessies (also called goblin cows for the only species stupidly brave enough to raise them) are a really mutated breed of cow. At the largest, they are Huge size, and Small at the youngest parts of their lives. The mutations are as follows:
>Really tough leather plated hide
>Antlers
>Sharp spinal ridges
>Glowing blue eyes
>Shits and farts alchemists fire
>A prehensile tongue twice their body length
>Oddly exfoliating saliva
>Quick growth (smallest size to largest in 1 month)
>Egg layers
Upon death, the head must removed within 1 round, or else the body splits into 3 Bessies two size categories smaller, leaving a quarter of the body mass behind as bones, meat, hide, and organs.
If the head is removed, the body lives for an additional 30 minutes, before collapsing into death. The severed head lives for an additional week before dying as well.
Bessies live for 1 month after they hit their final growth, and before dying of tasty organ failure lay 3-12 eggs that hatch after 1 week.
Their meat is edible, tasting much like hickory-smoked bear, with a subtle tanginess.

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>>49915248
Give them a demiplane.

>>49914874
>chimera soul
Huh? I don't remember that discipline, where is it from?

>>49914171
>>49913712
>Remove Toril you are the worst pantheon

I am pretty sure that even in the Pathfinder general people will agree that Pathfinder has the worst pantheon.
>This god cant be good if it doesnt love the gays!

Any tips for an archaeologist bard anons? Wanting to go an archer route. Starting level 1, 3PP subject to DM approval.

Rolled well on stats if it helps and - 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 17

>>49915875
Why archaeologist...?

>>49915937
Rp reasons.

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I wanna play a smart dwarf. Are there any good dwarf variants that have an intelligence bonus?

>>49915839
Legends of the Wulin
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?479603-Dreamscarred-Press-Introduces-Lords-of-the-Wild-The-Playtest!

did DHB died?

>>49916499
I think he's just ill, he mentioned something about having some headache that made it difficult to focus a few threads back.

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Due to the wonders of 'Being kinda bored for the last few days', I bring homebrew.

The Phenomenal Prestidigitator, an illusionist/stage magician variant of the Spellburst Savant.

Feedback is highly appreciated.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/15Hl4iSN5el-ohN9paOuf_1TszJK9_srUXZFxj-HMpz8/edit?usp=sharing

>>49915871
>>This god cant be good if it doesnt love the gays!
Pathfinder's pantheon is shit, but homophobia's also kind of a massive dick move, so, uh. Yeah, I kinda agree with that.

>>49916698
Had a go at this for copy editing. Do what you want with the suggestions.

>>49916796
My personal take on it is that most gods are mildly ambivilent towards homosexuality, except for fertility gods - who depending on their personal inclination, might see a 3 way hetero-homo relationship as just fine (happens sometimes in nature), they might mildly frown on relationships that don't produce children (so m/m homosexuality is 'bad', but f/f is 'tolerable' if a child comes out of it), they might dislike it altogether, or they might see it as beyond their domain ("I care about the fertility of viable pairings, I dont give a shit about nonviable ones").

The 'mildly frown one' could have priests that are willing to facilitate surrogacy.

>>49916886

Thanks a damn lot. That last ability proved to be a bitch to try to explain in formal language even if the concept 'You reveal all deception' is pretty simple because pathfinder has many different ways to disguise that don't overlap in system.

>>49916918
It's worth keeping in mind that in a setting with magic, homosexuality is not really a barrier to pregnancy. Not to mention trans people are extant - there's gotta be some way to set up a sperm bank so a trans lesbian can get her girlfriend pregnant after she's on HRT.

(If only this was 3.5e. Quintessence would be PERFECT.)

A character I have wants to contact an old party member. What's the cheapest way to do this, given she doesn't know his location or place of residence? Access to a paladin spell each day, and probably able to find low-level spellcasting services from 4-level and 6-level casters, possibly a 15th-level druid.

>>49916997

Does she have a piece of him laying around somewhere? A bit of hair, maybe an old scrap of clothes?

>>49917011
No, but he is both a fey and an undead creature, if it matters.

The /helping hand/ spell (cast by a warpriest) seems like a good option given his very distinct appearance, if nothing else pops up.

>>49917046

Just use Scrying, it's one level more than Helping Hand but has significantly more range.

I mean, unless you know he's within 5 miles of you.

>Undead
>Fae

Nani?

>>49917076
All it takes is one casting of helping hand to know if he's not in range.
Scrying is a good one if I can reach the druid contact.

>Fey (graveblood)

>>49916997
I'd use Sending or Dream, if available.

>>49916959
Actually, in a setting with this level of magic, there shouldn't *BE* any kind of "trans" other than the "robots in disguise" variety.

You drink a potion and you're done. You are now whichever of the two you weren't before. Even freaks stuck in the middle can probably get themselves functioning properly, no idea if it works on the genetic errors born with neither. There's no years of self-loathing unless the self-loathing is explicitly what you're into (CRYSTAL). There's even less, way less, stigma thanks both to a lack of social media and the fact that it's a total conversion (as opposed to some plastic surgery and massive hormonal fuckery to pretend you're not a man).

And those ARE errors; humans aren't supposed to be born with no reproductive organs whatsoever any more than they're supposed to be born with no left lung. Don't mean they're not people, but something didn't work right making them.

Also 'homophobia' has always been a funny term, mostly because it's hard not to imagine some religious redneck panicking and running around screaming "THEY'RE IN MY HAIR, GET THEM OUT, GET THEM OUT OH GODS" like it was spiders or bats or big black skeletons or all the other phobias.

Must be awkward as fuck to try and explain yourself at a pride parade if your phobia's actually rainbows though!

>>49917114
>4th-level spell Sending
>5th-level spell Dream
Pretty unlikely given that the only 6-level casters that can cast those are "legendary", at least to /legend lore/. None of those want to associate with a retired holy warrior chump.

>>49917186

>Retired holy warrior looking for her dead fae compatriot

I smell a story?

>>49916698

Alright, based on some feedback I got I'd done some minor edits to the phenomenal prestidigitator.

I've made the Stage Persona an optional level 1 thing with an alternate option (Any suggestions on other level 1 tricks that are as minor as those two would be cool). After all, Alternate Identities are not really a functional or even useful thing for a lot of pathfinder games. So now there is an option for your tomb robbing, loot stealing needs.

>>49917125
'freaks stuck in the middle'? Fuck, man, call 'em intersexed people. S'just a dick move there. Besides, 'trans' means assigned something at birth that you don't identify with. Just because taking a potion is easier than years of hormone replacement therapy doesn't make being trans not a THING. HRT and surgery can make a trans girl fucking indistinguishable from a cis girl barring invasive surgery or karyotyping, but WE'VE still got predjudice. Your conservative family is going to kick you out REAL fast if you pop into town and buy a potion that turns your innie into an outie. Transphobia isn't based in intense karyotyping and an allergy to the Y chromosome, it's based in "OH GOD SHE WAS BORN A MAN, THAT MAKES ME GAY".

(I've actually seen 'transantagonism' suggested as an alternate term, on account of "you're not scared, you're just an asshole", actually.)

Trans people don't stop being trans when they have surgery, and they wouldn't because they popped a potion of-

Wait what the hell spells ARE there that can give you an Instantaneous sex change? I mean, you don't want that to be dispellable, so Polymorph Any Object, while workable, is off the table. I guess if you can swing it as a Bestow Curse, then it's gonna be a bit more resilient, but... there really aren't many instantaneous transformation spells. And who the hell in setting is going to run around blowing EIGHTH LEVEL SPELL SLOTS on SRS? There wouldn't even BE people that do that, would there? That'd fuck over Crystal's MUH STRUGGLE.

>>49917309
You know that's not how biological sex is defined, right? If it's based on hormone profiles, they're a menopausal woman, if it's based on external genitalia, they're a woman, if it's based on INTERNAL genitalia, then people who have ovarian cancer and have it removed have NO sex, if it's based on secondary sexual characteristics, then fucking dudes with gynacomastia are women.

Also, that's literally your opinion. There are going to be other people who think that even a magical transformation won't matter and that's JUST as mutilation-y, and there are going to be people who AREN'T shitheads like you and just go "yeah sure, you're a girl" because considering someone a girl is REAL fucking easy and doesn't influence your life in any way. But I guess you're getting awful triggered on this issue, so maybe you should head back to tumblr and find a less anonymous circlejerk where you never have to hear anyone who disagrees.

>>49917125
>You drink a potion and you're done
That assumes that everyone has immediate access to a very fucking expensive potion.

>Immunity to all diseases
>Still catch colds

>>49917379
Potions don't actually look like they go up to a high enough level to do that.
Um... scroll of PaO, I guess.

>>49917401
Tried, but didn't stick. Also, I know that's meant to be hyperbole, but yeah that's basically just what I'm saying. Good job on reading comprehension, I guess?

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>>49916796
>If you do not give a shit about the gays you are homophobic
>Its not enough that you do not actively hate them or harm them, no no, your indifference about them makes you a bad person!

Looks like we finally have the SJW-Audience here. Thanks Pathfinder general.

>>49917202
>World post-T1 classes, 9-level casters are rare (all dead or in hiding from others) and high-grade magic is frowned upon
>Enter a knight, champion of her sun deity, from a far-off land, passing through a small town
>Also in that town: two more knights from that same far-off land, all there for different reasons, and all also doing odd jobs like her
>One of the knights had a life oracle mother who was afflicted with negative levels while pregnant, he came out wrong
>take on a standard escort mission heading toward everyone's destination, find all sortsa neat shit including a grove with a powerful spring that gestalts the group, reincarnates corpses, all kinds of shit
>find a group to protect it, including, to everyone's surprise, a high-level druid who'd gone into hiding
>this is all too much for my paladin, need a break
>take some time off in the next town, find a nice guy to be normal with, reconsider faith following a glimpse of the oddities of the world
>the other knights do more odd jobs, fight a demon
>campaign dies due to scheduling

>four months later
>campaign starts up again
>what up fuckers let's go

>>49917429
Go back to paizo forums. 4chan very clearly isn't the right place for you.

>>49917448
>If you do not give a shit about the gays you are homophobic
Where did he say that?

>>49917455
Are you sure it's not the right place for you? You seem to be getting a bit cranky in your old age.

>>49917358
>You know that's not how biological sex is defined, right?

But that's wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5LRdW8xw70

>>49917406

Is this a canon thing?

>>49917448

It's impossible to be indifferent towards gays as a god, anon.

The question will be broached; are you fine with these gay worshippers or do you condemn it? By saying you don't care, you are in some degree being supportive.

>>49917456
>This god cant be good if it doesnt love the gays!

He called this homophobia.
Now get back to tumblr, you humongous faggot.

>>49917452

>Paladin of Shizuru

Niiiiice.

>>49917491
>>This god cant be good if it doesnt love the gays!
This was in reference to Erastil being written as a fire and brimstone "gas the faggots and tie women to the stoves" god.
Which is what
>>49915871
is most likely referring too.

Now fuck off you disingenuous, retard.

>>49917474
The problem is a difference in definition between the scientific community and that of english speakers as a whole. If someone's born with XX chromosomes, but has a penis and develops through puberty gaining facial hair, boners, etc, what sex are they?

>>49917539
A factory defect.

>>49917491
NGL, it feels pretty good to piss you off. Is this what 4chan is truly about?

>>49917491
Wow, how could I ever have thought someone throwing around the word 'faggot' was homophobic. You have truly caused me to reevaluate my opinion of you, good sir.

>>49917500
Actually, no, but I'm definitely going to have her encounter a similarly out-of-place faithful of Shizuru now, as the event that causes her to get back into the fray.
If I say what the deity really is, I'll be banned, so you can probably guess what it is.

>>49917566
To be fair people are on 4chan and throw around faggot, nigger, kike regardless of whether or not they are actually homophobic, racist, antisemitic, etc.

You have to wait for them to use more esoteric/recent slurs to figure that out.

>>49917593
I mean, yeah, was hella disconcerting the first time one of my trans friends called herself a somethingfag, but when it's in THIS context it's pretty obviously indicative.

>>49917429
I think it's an Elixir.

I need your favorite monsters. Preferably Urban monsters in the CR 6-12 range, but if it can be conceivable to be in a city for any reason, that'd be good.

>>49917676
Huh, so it is. 2250 gp. So way the fuck out of reach for most commoners According to the NPC gear table, you'd need to be level 5 and have bought literally nothing else, or level 14 with normal progression.

>>49917708
To be fair, when your life is farming and worrying about being orc-raped at night, being eaten by monsters or watching your family starve to death this winter due to a bad crop, you have neither the time nor the inclination to start weaving every discomfort or problem in your life into a "it's because I'm not a woman and was meant to be" mindset.

It's a bit more of a "first world problem" than a starving peasant who's never had the idea repeatedly driven into his head would ever really have.

>>49917767
>It's a bit more of a "first world problem" than a starving peasant who's never had the idea repeatedly driven into his head would ever really have.
He could still eventually feel "off" even if he doesn't have a way to describe the concept.

>>49917767
>>49917785
Yeah, basically. The dysphoria (which is the fancy word for that 'off' feeling) is gonna be there either way, but he's probably gonna consider 2250 gp WAY too much to fix it even if he DID know what it was.

Relatedly, there are a number of natural substitutes (primitive HRT) - plants that act to block androgen receptors, pregnant cow urine FILLED with estrogen, etc. Gonna be a LOT cheaper to get those on a daily basis than the potion, which is probably gonna be more similar to SRS - a big final step that costs a fuckton of money.

>>49917831
How much is it to intentionally create a girdle of gender swapping? I think Black Markets had a set of rules for creating cursed items, and they're dirt cheap to make.

>>49917586

Oh... You're playing THAT kind of "Path"finder.

>>49917893
>You're playing THAT kind of "Path"finder.
I don't get it.

>>49917767
>>49917785

Speaking of, what made Anevia realize he was really a she? As you said, the very concept of transsexualism is a newish thing with third genders in the historical record being less "this man is actually a woman due to mental development" and more "this man is actually a woman due to spiritual reasons and fulfills this role in society."

Like, an Elf man that thinks he's a woman wouldn't transition to be a woman, he would be lead to believe they're an aspect of Corellion and placed in the church as a priest or something.

>>49917902

I think they're playing Ponyfinder, hence mentioning the sun deity being a bannable offense.

>>49917947
O-oh

>>49917934
I guess, dysphoria still applied when considered nonbinary, and their identity was pretty firmly female? "No, I can't be part of Corellion, I REALLY don't feel like a dude. At all."

>>49917934
Reading over the character bio, up to 12 years old she identified more with female characters in art than male ones, and then at ages 12-18 she had to hide as a girl due to being hunted and decided she liked it better that way. Sort of like Zelda/Sheik, except in reverse and without the magical penis.

>>49918032

I wish I had a magical penis.

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>>49913590
I'm in a knightly game.

I'm a half-hobgoblin bushi stalker//spheres hunter, it's gonna be fun.

Pic related, it's what the GM says nice traditional hobbo armor looks like

>>49918032
Yeah, that sounds about right. Not gonna lie, that actually sounds pretty fucking great. I'd have been fucking ecstatic if I'd been in her situation.

>>49918075
> half-hobgoblin
Gross dude.

>>49918117
He's not the most personable fugly guy, but I'm dumping full knightly cheese into this character, he's gonna be a mash of Shinzaemon from 13 Assassins and Hans from Troll Hunter.

>>49918075

Dark Souls 2 had some great armor design, didn't it.

I think I remember hearing about this game, rescue any princesses yet?

>>49918139
Not the looks the origin.

>>49918150
Eh, Hobs aren't bad in setting, just foreign. Mommy and daddy had a li'l baby half-hob.

>>49918160
Knob-gobblin' Hobgoblin

>>49918170

>Implying it wasn't a human woman getting [GOBBED]

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>>49918178
So, uh, first result... yeah, hob girls are pretty damn hot, imo.

>>49918206

Hot hob bobbed on knob and got globbed!

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SO. I hate how overpowered wizards are! I like maneuvers. We have a lot of maneuver schools.

So I homebrewed a Wizard archetype that has no spells, only maneuvers, keeping the same fluff as the normal wizard (mostly).

Feedback is greatly appreciated!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AtKZS7lYeas5gPlK5wMaMyHmYr38mdz0lQUgCTY7cq8/edit

>>49918415
Just from looking over it, it seems like there's no reason for me to play this class. It's a D6 HD 3/4 BAB martial class with no real class features beyond 6th level initiating.

>>49918459
>>49918415
Am in agreement. Shift spellcasting stat to Str, let them prepare martial strikes in place of wizard spells. Let them apply metamagic feats to their martial strikes.

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>>49918415
Why not pic related?

I am writing a campaign where the party slowly discovers a cult and then has to foil their plots. I also recently watched Phantom of the Opera so I want to include a masquerade, the party is going to be trying to discover the cultists before they find and kill a particular nobleman. The party will not know the target but I want to give them some way of identifying cult members, a mark or a ring or something I'm just not sure what

>>49918415
I do not agree with the morons who still want it to be a spellcaster with maneuvers, but I think they should get some class features that are magical effects that "fake" being martial.

Give them force field armor, body enhancing magic, temp hp shields, etc. This is a wizard who's faking being a martial but doesn't have the stats to back it up. Let's go spelldancer-lite and persist the buffs needed to fake it properly.

Hey guys you know that douche that continues to fuck up pathfinder as much as possible? Well now you can give him your money directly! https://www.patreon.com/JasonBulmahn

>>49918619
So it's like an AP, except every character is pre-made.

And this is a good thing how?

>>49918459
Wizard turns out to be a pretty boring class.

>>49918496
They're not literally meant to be casting spells through muscle, applying metamagic to strikes is a fucking trainwreck that I am NOT getting into.

>>49918513
Because pic related is still a t1 and, as a result, broken as hell.

>>49918532
Yeah, sounds good. They have a regenerating pool of temp HP now (up to twice their level) so they have a small buffer of HP before each fight, and their int-to-AC is now deflection. Thanks. ^^ Any other thoughts? I figured supernatural boosts and such would replicate a lot of wizard buff spells, but I'm wondering if there are other all-day effects that could help. Maybe an aura of Greater Magic Weapon...

>>49918619
>he gets four times what Forrest does

The world is unfair

>>49918513
Yes, lets take the single most powerful class in the game and give them MORE POWER!

As if 3.5 wasn't bad enough.

>>49918513
>suffers from a 1-level delay on spell levels available
>gets 6 levels of maneuvers in exchange

>recovery is literally unusable if you don't have a maneuver left to initiate

what good design

>>49918701
>Wizard turns out to be a pretty boring class.
Well yeah, their class features are 9th level casting and whatever small powers the school grants. Take those away and you're left with the Expert NPC class.

>>49917379
I started typing up something about this earlier but then I forgot.

The potion is about 2250g if you go by the one listed in the book, however if you go by its effect and some of the item creation rules IIRC, it ends up coming down to a *fairly reasonable* 500g ish potion. Then if you apply real-world like principles where rich patrons / people with insurance are charged more so-as to cover the costs for unfortunates who *cannot* pay for things quite as easily, the potion becomes even more affordable.

A non-optimized character can make a decent chunk of change in a year using various versions of the profession / craft abilities with only one point in it so they're "trained". Even just basket weaving, "optimized" characters can easily make more money (ie, more points allocated to the skill, assuming that you get level ups, feats taken for it, potential racial skillpoints alloted, higher stat bonuses). IIRC with a single skillpoint non-optimized characters would be able to afford the 2250g version in about 4 years of 8hr a day 5 days a week work.

This is something that's been gone over several times when it comes up, and plain and simple gender dysphoria should most likely not exist in a fantasy world. Especially when shit like elven nobles spending decent dosh to turn their sons into daughters and vice versa for a few years to pop out a few children for the local dragonslayer because eugenics and "animal husbandry", that subsidizes costs for less fortunate individuals.

>>49918760
And remember 2250g is the *market* price, the actual price to make is 1125, which is cheap as dirt.

As a substitute to polymorph (a 5th level spell from a 9th level wizard which is where the "base cost" is derived from) the potion could concievably be made from an effect like the alter self spell (making it more limited in scope but permanent in duration) which would bring the potion down to about 150g to craft. Hell you could even bump it up a level and it would still be super fucking affordable.

>>49918690
People loved Dragonlance for some god awful reason.

>>49918892

What even was Dragonlance? Golarion is the only DnD setting I've ever played in.

>>49918878
>>49918760
Oh but Wizards are super fucking rare and shit, especially at high levels when we aren't bitching about gender politics.

Otherwise everyone should be able to fuck off to local magic mart and pick up a slurpie of change gender lickity split.

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>>49918916
The birthplace of kender.

>>49918916
Dragonlance was the fantasy setting that sort of spawned "modern" fantasy as we understand it.

It was also a series of modules that had premade characters, with predestined fates, progression, and destiny.

>>49918760
>>49918878
Unfortunately your little scheme falls afoul of the rule that prevents continuous true strike effects.

>The correct way to price an item is by comparing its abilities to similar items (see Magic Item Gold Piece Values), and only if there are no similar items should you use the pricing formulas to determine an approximate price for the item. If you discover a loophole that allows an item to have an ability for a much lower price than is given for a comparable item, the GM should require using the price of the item, as that is the standard cost for such an effect. Most of these loopholes stem from trying to get unlimited uses per day of a spell effect from the "command word" or "use-activated or continuous" lines of Table: Estimating Magic Item Gold Piece Values.

>MOST
>not all

>>49918940

And gully dwarves. And tinker gnomes.

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>>49918940

>>49918760

>Elven noble offering his noble son (female) to a dragonslayer for breeding

That's kind of hot, anon.

>>49918748
That said! They're now a 9 level initiator, as the lack of class features made the nerfed archetype progression unnecessary. They also don't have a BAB change anymore, instead gaining a bonus on strikes (effectively using True Strike's fluff.)

>>49918951
Uh, it's modifying alter self to be considerably more limited in scope (instead of 'any small or medium', it's literally just swapping gender), not changing any stats or things (like alter self can) and making the duration permanent.

I'd say that it's relatively fair for a basis. Sure its houserules, but I'd say its a fair interpretation.

>>49919003
Sure, but still falls afoul of the rule, even if it isn't as strong of an abuse as continuous true strike.

>>49918747
>>recovery is literally unusable if you don't have a maneuver left to initiate
Cast a spell of the highest level you have available.

>>49919021
But you're not initiating a maneuver.

>>49918760
You're talking PC levels though, NPC thugs make like 5 silver per day for guard duty and general thug work. That's before accounting for their food costs, family, weapons and gear, other day to day expenses, and rent/tithes.
The wealth disparity between the nobles and the proletariat is immense by design.

>>49918984
I was uh, writing a shitty story about it for /d/, wherein a human kills a dragon entirely by accident and the elf queen gets into a contest of one-upsmanship with the human and dwarf kingdoms. She says that instead of simply assuring that he'll have a place in history, she intends to guarantee it.

So she *asks* her court and the common women of the realm if they'll "lend" the dragonslayer the use of 10000 of their wombs, of course they'll be compensated - and she'll be the first to go.... and well due to capricious fae nature, way more than 10 000 agree. Because as she says - elves have always been greedy for the blood... and seed of heroes.

Some of the older elven nobility really enjoy recreational animal husbandry / eugenics, so decide to send their 'strongest' to create... things. Sometimes brothers just show up alongside sisters to "surrogate" for them or other such nonsense. There's also the small cult that likes to get cum-inflated.

It devolves into a giant clusterfuck where the accidental dragonslayer basically ends up peacefully enslaved to the elven kingdom as a fucktoy for the better part of 25 years... and he ends up siring *way more* than 10 000 children, because the first thing the elf queen introduces is magic items.

Pretty NSFW tangent.

>>49919096
No. I'm not talking PC levels. I'm talking literally a single point into any profession or craft skill, operating by RAW. You earn decent gold simply by taking 10 on every check.

It's only when you're untrained that you get SP for menial labor.

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>>49919105

>>49918916

Basically, sometime back, a king started talking to his racist elf buddies about how there needed to be more good in the world. So he killed a bunch of bad guys. Then he decided that it wasn't enough to just kill bad guys when they came up, he needed to prevent bad guys from becoming bad, so he began a campaign of mass brainwashing and mindprobing to make sure people only had good thoughts. This went on until finally, he demanded that the gods themselves make him a god of "good" so that he could end evil forever. The gods responded by dropping a giant rock on him and everyone else in the biggest city in the world. When someone said "Was it really necessary to kill all those people?", the gods left in a huff.

The writers claimed this was all because the king tried to upset the delicate balance of good and evil, which always struck me as utter bullshit-partially because it implies the things the dipshit king did qualified in some way as "good", but mostly because it implies the universe is some kind of cosmic checkbook that needs to be "balanced".

Also, there's a lot of dragons.

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>>49919151

>>49919163
... sh... shutup.

Don't judge me.

>>49919151
those aren't mutually exclusive

i mean i'm judging you anyway

>>49919112
A profession gives you half your check in gold over a week. Your level 1 Commoner averages 11.5/2 gold per week, or 5.75 gp/ week, or 8 silver pieces and some change / day. He comes just shy of 300 gp/ year in income, again before expenses and assuming dedicated work every single day.

>>49919222
Isn't that a decent amount of money? I think I read someplace that 1 GP is about $100, so that's $30,000/year.

>>49919262
Money value is most definitely not consistent.

>>49919105

Sir, that story is lewd and I wholeheartedly support every syllable you just typed out.

>>49919222
Remember that craft and profession are class skills for commoners. So they're starting off at +4 for a single skillpoint, not accounting for stat bonuses (and assuming a completely average 10 in all stats, which IIRC is the norm).

If they wanted to 'specialize' they could put whatever racial bonuses they have into relevant check (so for a human using npc array of 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8) and take skill focus, which would put them at around +2 from stats +3 from skill focus and +4 from skillpoint & class skill, for a total of +9.

At some point in time you're probably going to level up just from constant crafting / profession checks (because yes, that does happen), which can increase your ability.

And we're not even using alternate profession rules to do things like set up a shop. this is literally basket weaving at a cottage and then selling it later.

>>49919307
It's also not accounting for things like getting bonuses from having a "well crafted workshop" (a +4 bonus) or "master tools" (IIRC a +2 bonus).

>>49919385
It'd take like... 50 weeks for masterwork tools to pay for themselves?

>>49918619
So, I had a funny thought. See how you can pay him $100/adventure to get content you want in? But there's only four slots? What if he were to, say, make $400 more per month but have to include new PoW archetypes for every single adventure?

The downside of course is that it would require giving him money.

>>49919408
Masterwork tools range from 55g to 100g; so yeah they take a while to pay off, but if you're going to do craft / profession checks all day erry day, they are worth it I guess.

Presumably they add to having a "great workshop" which on average bumps up earnings by 3 gold (+4 & +2).

Best bet would be to inherit them from whoever you apprenticed under to learn your skill.

I mean, non-heroic NPC's start with 260g of wealth at level 1.

>>49919408

And those tools will last you 50 years.

>>49919307
NPCs cannot choose their ability scores, but a life time commitment to a craft could be represented by the skill focus as their feat. An NPC dedicated in this way will probably look at expert or something as his next level, but leveling from churning out baskets should take years, else every experienced merchant on the street would have 20+ levels. So at 912 gold per year from focusing on his profession, and his living expenses are now fairly trivial in this range, it's only going to take 3 years to save up for the sex change potion.

>>49919506
>leveling from churning out baskets should take years

Downtime recommends handling it like milestones. You might get exp (sufficient to level) for earning your first 100g, or enticing your first important patron, but it starts to dry up as the milestones get higher and higher.

So maybe level 2 comes after about half a year of crafting, and level 3 comes after another year or so, but eventually you start to take time off to do things like have a family or the like.

>NPCs cannot choose their ability scores

True, but they are given an array which could concievably land them in the "perfect stats setup".

>>49917259
>HRT and surgery can make a trans girl fucking indistinguishable from a cis girl
Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

>>49919555
Downtime also "recommends" throwing dragons and arsonists at the workplace. I was assuming our peasants lead fairly uneventful lives.

>>49914583
Got a download for that? None of those weapons are on pfsrd.

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/tg/, I'm trying to more or less accurately build Kamen Rider Black in Pathfinder. I say more or less, because I'm trying to strike a balance between being true to the character and being useful to the party. I know the Vigilante class is the way to go, but I'm stuck in terms of specialization/archetype. Magical Child doesn't have enough offensive options, and while Warlock accurately simulates the weird energy crackle when he pulls off a finishing move, Kamen Rider isn't really a caster. Should I just go Avenger, taking the Fist of the Avenger talent?

Also: I've got access to everything on the SRD, 1st party content, and (if the DM doesn't think it's cheese, some 3rd party books. Nothing from 3.5.

Can someone explain to me how a relatively easy to hit Perform DC can attract angels and shit but rolling that high on a Profession (Weaponsmith) check doesn't make you into Muramasa?

>>49919761
Doesn't Gonzo 2 have a kamen rider class?

>>49919761
>I know the Vigilante class is the way to go
You are wrong.

You should go synthesist summoner.

>>49919763
Because Paizo.

>>49919761

Kamen Rider is a Japanese Power Ranger, which is simply a type of Vigilante/Brawler.

>>49919761
Just refluff things as being the rider suit. For example, you could be an Alchemist and refluff his mutagen as the transformation sequence and all the spells as various gadgets.

>>49919786
Didn't even know this existed, but you're right. It fits fantastically.

Much obliged.

If Pathfinder Unchained 2.0 came out tomorrow, and it was made by sane, competent people, what would be in it?

>>49919899
A different rules system entirely.

>>49919105
I want to read this

>>49919899
The ability to move and full attack.

>>49919944
Stop being a munchkin.

>>49919761
Look into Aegis (DSP psionics class, on the SRD), or the Henshin Hero from Gonzo 2 (in the trove). Synth Summoner works as well.

>>49919944
AoOs should not be provoked by walking straight at an enemy while armed.

>>49919954
Stop being anti-fun

>>49919944
Isn't there a way to do that now?

>>49919105

First, give us a pastebin.

Secondly, who are you because that's the exact kind of lewd I want to play with next time /pfg/ is recruiting.

>>49919899
Unchained Kineticist
Unchained Swashbuckler
Unchained Samurai/Cavalier

Bunch more unchained spirits for the Medium

>>49920023
>Bunch more unchained spirits for the Medium
Would you say... 54 more spirits?

>>49919899
Can we just get Pathfinder Rechained but not 5e?

>>49920035
50 of them would have been worthless. It's a neat concept, but there's no way it would've been anywhere near good.

>>49918206
Pretty hot and all of 'em have broken spines, if that pic is anything to go by.

>>49918141
Not yet, GM has been hella busy with life shit in addition to getting the campaign set up. Hoping to start next weekend though!

>>49918150
>he doesn't like interracial marriage
What are you, elven?

>>49919763
because the gods care more about flashy displays/ what their followers are talking about and profession is supposed to be used while also using craft which will net you more money and notoriety, otherwise you are just managing a forge/making silverware.

>>49919996
No pastebin. I am a notorious procrastinator so not much got done with it; I developed a writers block right when elf queen was about to introduce magic items that would swell the mans testicles to about 10x their normal size and enlarge his member to about 12 inches

Would be a hell of a thing to just float in that experience for so long, until you find out you're the genetic ghengis khan of half-elves because you accidentally killed a dragon the elves *really* hated.

>>49919763
>>49919787

Because Pathfinder does not have a grade of blade beyond "Masterwork."

If you want my opinion (which I know you do) the game should have Dwarf Fortress tiers of weapon quality; Basic, Well-crafted, finely-crafted, superior quality, exceptional and Masterful.

>>49920113
>enlarge
>to 12 inches
Sounds like someone rolled low on their 1d8+Con

>>49920113

>That spoiler

You've got some good taste in kinks, anon.

>>49920121
Those tiers should have bonuses too, let's give them a rating. Basic is 0, it's your average weapon and adds +0 to hit and damage, well-crafted would be +1 giving +1 to hit and damage, finely-crafted can be +2, superior quality +3, exceptional +4, and masterful +5.

>>49920125

Anything above 12 is just wasted inches unless you're going for butt stuff, banging large creatures or dealing with a particularly raunchy size queen.

Unf.

>>49919899
Things I'd like to see out of it:
>most martials now have two sets of talents like the Vigilante, in addition to having their other gimmicks
>4+Int skill points minimum for any class that isn't an Intelligence-based fullcaster
>Vigilante drops dual identity gimmick, renamed into some generic jack-of-all-trades class and turned into a core class, and given EVEN MORE OPTIONS
>Roll most of the full BaB martial classes into fighter, with the option to take a specialization at the start to open up sets of talents

>>49920152
with magic and portals you can use that excess length to use multiple holes at once.

>>49920143

Don't forget that enchantment bonuses are limited to the highest bonus for quality; a well-crafted blade can only be enchanted to +1, but a masterful can accept end-game enchantments.

>>49920162
Ring gates you say?

Is it possible to play Vigilante without the dual identity gimmick?

>>49920177
No, that's dumb. That means the player would have to switch weapons and get it enchanted again each time.

>>49920162

Why not give 'em two big dicks and knock up two girls at the same time?

>>49920143
Also armor. While we're at it, can we rip df's profession/crafting to replace pf? If I'm a tailor with two fresh tons of "cave spider" silk clearly unrelated to that Drow cult we wiped out last week I want to start churning out silk crafts like there's no tomorrow until eventually my work starts to be worth some wealth.

>>49920177
Why don't we just make it so +whatever isn't the enchantment but the item's quality.
Then it has "enchantment slots" equal to it's quality.
So a +1 weapon can only be enchanted with +1 enchantments, and only one in total.

>>49920189
Just get it reforged to upgrade it and increase its capacity for enchantment anon

>>49920217
So I have to upgrade my weapon to upgrade my weapon? That's pretty dumb.

>>49920207
Someone suggested this like two threads ago and people hated it for some reason.

I think it's a fine idea.

>>49920217
>>49920189

What if enchantment works kinda like Dark Souls where the spell is enchanted onto a malleable stone than "etched" into the weapon?

Removing the etching is possible with a craft check, but destroys the item in the process.

Videogames have upgradeable weapons systems down pat and almost all of them shit all over PFs. Just cannibalize one of them.

>>49920236
You know that +1 weapon you found at level 3? Yeah, that's worthless now, better toss it so you can pay for a +2 weapon to get another upgrade. Oh, and you'll have to toss that weapon in 3-4 levels to get a +3 weapon.

>>49920195
Fun fact: male echidnas have a four-headed penis, but females only have two vaginas. Male echidnas use the spare two heads to mosey onto another girl while the first pair is 'cooling down', so to speak.

>>49920113
Please please please paste bin this. This is exactly my set of kinks

>>49920254
But you could just
Reforge the +1 into a +2
Then bring it to Merlinne to remove Flaming and add Holy instead
Just have enough cash for both operations
What's wrong with a system like that?

>>49920258

I always thought it was a common set of kinks because they're mine too.

>>49919761
Vigilante with the Night Terror archetype to get Path of War maneuvers.

Swap out some styles to grab Broken Blade and get something flashy like Elemental Flux or Solar Wind.

>>49920272
Which is just going to be even more costly for martials. Hey martials, now you gotta upgrade your weapons twice!

>>49920272
Or you could just forgo enchantments, the nonmagic blades are just as good as what you'd have otherwise. The magic is just frosting.

>>49920294
Poor, poor TWF martials...

>>49920195
because The man is floating in a cloud of elven tits and cunt, fed aphrodisiacs, normal food and elfwine by mouth constantly, and he usually has a swarm of elven women working his testicles at all times. He ejaculates gallons at a time with plenty of overflow - its produced almost as fast as he can expend it - whereupon it's happily lapped up by the elf women and it's begun to take on aphrodisiac qualities of his own.

On the rare times when he's not impregnating someone or inflating a cultist (who stores it for later use like a honeypot ant) elven guardswomen sometimes come along and play lewd games like 'see how much human jizz you can swallow before you vomit and have to buy everyone a round of drinks'

It could happen at some point in time though maybe twins who share everything want to go at the same time.

>>49920294
Just make it cheaper too
So it's a straight upgrade in all ways from the garbage we have now

>>49920330
Okay so now we're recosting the entire magic item system, got it.

>>49920296
A nonmagic blade can't deal lightning damage though
Not without tech stuff anyway

>>49920338
It IS heinously overpriced.
Not to mention unwieldy, restrictive and illogical.

>>49920338
We're not, were recording the not yet existent scaling masterwork system. Also, special qualities already increase the price of weapons one step, this adds no cost you wouldn't already have to pay.

I don't get it.
Whenever someone complains about magic arms and armor, people agree that it's shit.
But if someone brings up proposed solutions, everyone suddenly thinks it's fine and that nothing needs changing.
What's going on?

>>49920371
The masterwork system that's required before enchanting the blade further. Or at least that's what multiple people have suggested. You're adding an additional price to an already pricey system. So either the price is so low that it's negligible or you're recosting the magic item creation system, at least for weapons and armor. It all seems like a lot of work for little to no benefit.

What even is the point? Is it just so that mundanes can craft awesome weapons? Why not just give them the feat that lets them craft magic arms and armor for free when they meet the requirements?

>>49920405
You're in a Pathfinder thread.

>>49920421
+5 to hit and damage is a huge benefit regardless of the price. If that's a pittance in your mythic triple gestalt epic level pow 3pp homebrew game that's too bad for you, but the rest of us could make use of it.

>>49920455
I honestly have no idea how your response is even related to my post. So uh... (you)?

>>49920455
You already GET that from enchantment bonuses. And masterwork ALSO provides enchantment bonus, so you don't actually get anything extra.

>>49920318

A-anon please, the more you talk about this story the more I want to read it or play a campaign where this happens.

>>49920498
You get twice the bonus if you pay a little extra? That's not nothing in my book.

>>49920318
I want to be one of those cultists!

What boons do you think you'd get if you took Deific Obedience as part of that cult?

Constant Bouncy Body?

>>49920508
What kind of game would even work for that? There has to be more to it besides "make constitution checks constantly"

>>49920534
Bonuses of the same type don't stack.

>>49920534
Masterwork provides an enchantment bonus which doesn't stack with magic bonuses.

>>49920553
My god. Enhancement is not enchantment shammy.

>>49920546

Seems more like a 1-2 session "reward" after a long dragonslaying quest.

I guess the idea is a lewd campaign rather than a 24/7 fuckfest.

>>49920544
>Constant Bouncy Body?
And sustenance, but only if the obedience is done anally

>>49920573
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/magic-weapons
RTFM

>>49920455
>>49920498
IMO, the thing that fucks the price hardest is just that the fun enhancement abilities are all priced on the same track as the ABSOLUTELY MANDATORY +1's. If you want a +1 merciful holy lightning longsword, you're dicked over because the guy next to you just bought a +4 keen longsword for the same price and is a million times more effective. Even if an "effectively +10 weapon" is supposed to be super super lategame, that weapon is almost a fourth of a 20th level character's supposed WBL.

>>49920610
But greater magic weapon...

>>49920184
Yeah, just always stay in Vigilante or Social Identity and pretend the other doesn't exist. Works best for the Caster identities.

>>49920598

Anal *or* oral, anon.

Vaginal should provide a Charisma bonus as she's in a perpetual healthy afterglow as the aphrodisiac-soaked seed takes root.

I think the biggest problem with magic weapons is that it's all bland shot and costs huge amounts of WBL.
Specific magic weapons sometimes have beat stuff going on (Dagger of Doubling) but even those are generally "expensive flat bonuses but also casts low DC spell once per day"
The whole things shot to hell

>>49920610
This is why I like things like DDS' paragon thing.

You get all your +1s as you level. So you can go the distance with your grandpappy's sword if you want, cuz it's a good sword.

But then there's also this sword over here that's on fire which you might get and use. Or this lightning sword.

Basically, it frees up special, interesting weapons to be more interesting loot rather than 'I'd have rather had the +1' and doesn't mean you have to STOP using them once better +x's come along.

>>49920620
Oh, you can do that? Huh.
I'm kinda dumb, eh?

>>49920630
What's the encumbrance for being turbo-pregnant?

>>49920600
>A magic weapon is enhanced to strike more truly and deliver more damage. Magic weapons have enhancement bonuses ranging from +1 to +5.
>enhancement
>not enchantment
Now read the proposals we're arguing about here
>>49920207
>enchantment slots
These could be used for enhancement or special qualities.
>>49920143
The bonuses suggested for the suggested reworked masterwork system are either untyped or of a yet unspecified type
>RTFM

>>49920630
Correct on first part, sorry.

On second part, I'd say it's a morale bonus equivalent to eagles splendor; a pregnant elf is a happy elf

>>49920684
I personally don't like hyper preg, but twins or triplets would be k.

>>49920702
>The bonuses suggested for the suggested reworked masterwork system are either untyped or of a yet unspecified type
Oh, so the system being proposed is entirely unbalanced?

>>49920665

Which makes me think; what if the basic +1s for enchantment are locked into the "weapon quality" aspects of the system, while the special qualities are a separate thing?

A masterful longsword costs as much as a +5 weapon, but a masterful flaming longsword costs as much as a +1 weapon and +5 weapon (rather than a +6?)

And again, etching system so you can remove special qualities.

What pisses me off the most about magic weapons is if you compare a masterwork longsword to a +5 longsword it's actually not that much better but it costs like 200000gp
Like dude why get a +4 sword when you can buy a fucking airship and pay a crew for a year for the same amount of gold

>>49920716
I would assume the idea is to tie all the flat +1's to the masterwork, and then make all the enchantments be fun stuff like Flaming or Keen weapons. Of course, that would just be how I'd do it.

>>49920711

Elves are like deer, they have twins or triplets in times of plenty (or hyper fertility) and don't show until they're practically giving birth.

>>49920667
Jolly did make a 3pp book which lets a vigilante swap out their dual identity for a little bonus. Ones that ditch their vig identity get another social talent and skill points. I think ones that ditch the normal identity get more hp and.... I forget what else they get.

>>49920720
Yeah, it's kind of ludicrous.

The sheer gold value of the things adventurers encrust themselves with could destabilize economies or just make entire new ones.

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So there's a really terrible wizard NPC in my game, who just likes to enchant shit all day but everything he makes accidentally turns into a monkeys paw. Like a ring of Teleportation that just sends the ring to another area, stupid stuff like that, or the spiked morningstar of cure light wounds.

So he's been trying to help my group out and he's one of the only people buying magical items from them and selling them. Of course my rogue and bard want to burglarize his store because fucking chaotic alignment. At first I wasn't going to allow them, but now I decided "fuck it, lets see what happens when they break into the basement of the shittiest enchanter to have ever been seen".

This is the map I've made so far. I'm a stupidly new GM, this is like my 4th session. What do you guys think? Any criticism or tips?

>>49920721
The real question is, why even bother with a sword in the first place?

Why not just play a Wizard and use the money you would have had to spend on a weapon and armor on more fun and useful things instead?

>>49920721
You could start a high-end business in the most expensive part of town for the price of a +5 sword

It would take an average, middle class citizen of a large city 167 years to buy a +5 longsword assuming he works non-stop and doesn't spend the gold elsewhere

>>49920728
The guy who proposed this didn't specify, but I'd allow enhancement bonuses to stack with weapon bonuses, but weapon bonuses would cost a comparable amount to enhancement bonuses so martials would be able to significantly increase their bonus but would still have to spread their investments out over WBL.

>>49920752

A +2 weapon is worth a man's weight in gold

These aren't simple weapons for soldiers, these are state works given as diplomatic gifts and shit