Warcraft Lore and RPG Discussion

Speaking of untold stories, I wonder if Blizzard will ever give us something on Khadgar's past. His childhood and most of his teenage years are basically a mystery.

>At 17, the Kirin Tor sends him to Karazhan to study under Medivh, the last Guardian of Tirisfal and Thrower of Great Parties
>Nothing is known before that: family name, relatives, place of birth or residence, how and why he became a wizard, why the hell a human has a Dwarven name, and why he was in Kul'tiras before becoming the Lord of Ravens' intern

>>49835317
There's a huge and yawning gap in human history as a whole, to be honest. It basically amounts to "those seven kingdoms formed and then absolutely nothing of note happened for ages until the games happened."

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So what do you think daily life is like for the more intelligent Scourge when there's nothing to invade/destroy/plague? Ymirjar, Val'kyr, Darkfallen, Liches, Banshees, those sorts of things.

What do they do for fun?

>>49836099
Probably catatonic until something living comes near or Bolvar wakes up them.
That doesn't include Cult of the Damned though, who are in a weird spot ever since WotLK. They're obviously active, as shown by Cataclysm, but who do they take orders from? Why won't Bolvar order them to cut that shit out and withdraw to Northrend, for instance? They're not mindless undead and obviously capable of listening to orders more complicated than "fuck that continent up".

>>49836203
>Why won't Bolvar order them to cut that shit out and withdraw to Northrend, for instance?
Probably because the Lich King entity has overtaken Bolvar.

>>49836203
Speaking of necromancers, if the biggest problems with being undead is the dulled positive emotions and the agony felt when touched by the Light, could a skiled enough Necromancer fix the first thing? Produce undead that love being undead?

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>Infestation of normies and women.
>Massive amounts of people who won't adhere to lore, nor do anything actually interesting with their lore-breaking.
>It's all ERP-bait and set in taverns.
>Muh anime boogeyman.
>Muh PvP boogeyman.
>Communities that are more than happy to cover up the fact that RP on their server is dead by simply harassing you if you ask where the RP is, and demanding you start your own.
>Everyone must be a DM.
>RP-PvP servers like Emerald Dream settle In Character conflicts with OOC duels, believe that if you as a player cannot raid then you cannot have a strong character no matter how much character development you've had over the years.
>If I am a raider (I am) then I am a mary-sue and also automatically both hated and worshiped by the ultra-casual RPers.

Any other reasons why WoW's ingame roleplay is dead? Or did I hit the nail on the head?

>>49838228
There is no reward for RP and no control. It's that simple.

>>49836099

That reminds me of how I wonder if the Movieverse will have Rivendare or some other Scourge commander hang around Arthas in Path of the Damned so that he'll have someone to talk to besides Ghost Kel'thuzad.

>>49838430
That is assuming the movieverse goes anywhere. It wasn't that great of a debut.

>>49836099
They fugg

>>49836499
Kek that would be so stupid

Dat 7.1 PTR and holy shit what the fuck is wrong with Vereesa

Blizz really don't seem to know what to do with her. She gets meaningful development in novels, hell, her subplot with Sylvanas was probably the only non-cringeworthy part of War Crimes. She's even okay with letting Horde characters be in charge of hunters in 7.0. Come 7.1 and she's back to "gas the belves, race war now".

I don't subscribe to the "tainted by Knaak the Hack" meme, the character is interesting and easily salvageable, but for there's zero effort to keep her consistent, let alone let her develop.

>Lore

The Lore is inconsistent, full of Dindus, favoritism here favoritism there, Whitewashing, characters dying and reviving and redying, time travel, shilling of trash like Anduin, characters like Ner'zhul getting trash send offs...

>>49838430
Probably Falric and/or Marwyn.

>>49831605
Now that could be it.

>>49832383
Goblins are known for being much stronger than they look.

>>49838637

There shouldn't have been High Elves as an important force in WoW outside of maybe Theramore's refugees. All leftover High Elves in the East should go Blood Elf.

>>49838782

Also the Blood Elves should have never gotten another Sunwell and stayed demonic.

>>49838782
>>49838846
In fact, Kael'thas should have not been a retard and gone neutral.

But alas, we have what we have. Silver Covenant hardly warrants being called "important", anyway, it's more like a recon unit for the Kirin Tor.

>>49838868
How long until we get another revival of Kael'thas?

>>49838892
Hopefully never, Jesus Illidan has already shown that Blizzard can't make a redemption subplot worth shit without retconning and whitewashing.

>>49838782
>All leftover High Elves in the East should go Blood Elf.
Why? There will always be outliers and dissidents, and a debate on ethics of mana-sucking seems like as a good a reason to have a schism as any.

>>49838907
Blizzard seems to like retreading if the last two expansions are anything to go by. I'm expecting Arthas to come back from the dead in the next few years by the way things are going.

>>49838782
I'd agree that they maybe shouldn't call themselves High Elves due to the source of the Blood Elf name, but not wanting to suck demon cock to live is a perfectly valid reason to form a breakaway faction.

>>49838680
>implying Anduin is trash

He's grown into his own at last, and may actually be the sanest person left on Azeroth.

>>49839264

>Horde/Forsaken Dindu Nuffin

>>49839394
Go fuck yourself Jaina, even your dragon dildo left you.

>>49839596
>even her dildo left her.
I volunteer as tribute.

>>49839596
>even your dragon dildo left you.
That's not much of a loss. No one gives a fuck about him.

>>49838907
It gets pretty hilarious with alt. Grom
>started a genocidal war against draenei
>tried to invade azeroth
>gets his ass kicked by gul'dan
>one raid later
>i'm totes a good guy now! draenor is free (from the genocidal army that's creation i masterminded and which i commanded)!

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>>49839596
Can't hear you over doing nothing wrong.

>>49839669
>Not flooding the orcs
>Not wrong

The least you can do was to wipe out both orcs and humans. Literally most boring races that takes up 90% of the screen time

>>49839669
>tfw blizzard turning jaina into a granny was the first step on her road to raid boss status

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>>49838782
I don't think they should be using High Elves for an Alliance subplot. There's other player races Alliance-side that could use some spotlight.

>>49839880
You know that if they hadn't used the meth elves they would had gone with humies.

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>>49839898
I don't think so, Wrath was already saturated with Humans every-fucking where. Like WoD Orc-saturation. Night elves would have been a good alternate, they suppository don't get along with Blood Elves.

Hell, Draenei would have worked, Militant Draenei that are quick to dole out some vindication? Yes please.

>>49838996
>>49839031

WC3 had it that the High Elves who weren't killed in the Third War went Blood Elf after Quel'thalas got steamrolled. At least for the East.

>>49839701

It's not the Humans' fault they focus so much on Stormwind for the playable versions. And it's not the Orcs' fault they can't let go of the RTS games before WC3.

>>49839732

I'm waiting for Jaina to go Raid Boss. She went downhill as a character after Reign of Chaos. She's ended up being a strawman to make the Wrynns look good.

>>49839977

>Wrath was already saturated with Humans every-fucking where.

I could say that Ner'zhul being the Lich King and the Scourge being filled with Undead would put it up the Draenei's alley, but:

A. They abandoned Ner'zhul as a character.

B. The Draenei were already wonky.

>>49840101
>tfw still mad about ner'zhul

It could had been a perfect opportunity to give the green jesus and his followers some growth by having them face what only couple decades earlier had been the spiritual leader of their people.

>>49838892
Someone from Blizzard (Metzen?) regretted they brought Kael'thas back for Magister's Terrace already, because they won't be able to use him again.

>>49840028
>I'm waiting for Jaina to go Raid Boss. She went downhill as a character after Reign of Chaos. She's ended up being a strawman to make the Wrynns look good.
Hey now she only became a staw man after Garrosh nuked Theramoore

>>49840233
Wasn't Kael practically a demon at that point? If so, then he may have survived seeing as demons need to die in the nether these days.

>>49840624
Demon? More like fel-powered zombie

>>49840136
WoD was that already, with Thrall being confronted with the fact that Orcs were shitheads before demonblood, Doomhammer and Hellscream were always ruthless, bloodthirsty warmongers and his dear ol' dad was either too weak or too cowardly to do anything of worth against it. But nooooo, they wuz a good guy....

>>49834258
>Or, alternatively, you're confusing Xuen and Niuzao.
that's what happened. I forgot who was who because Yulon is the only one that's remotely relevant when you level through Pandaria by going Jade Forest->Valley->Dread Wastes

>>49840233
I wouldn't be surprised at all if we find him in some cell on a legion vessel or on Argus, there's a good chance he sold his soul to get revived anyway.
I fear they'll make him into a demon hunter

>>49840663
I suppose so. Still, I wouldn't put it past Blizzard to say he had a demon soul at that point.

So, since this expansion has focused a lot on the classes, what if the next expansion focuses a lot on races?

>>49838228
Come to Argent Dawn EU instead.

If you're on the Alliance, enjoy the rigid adherence to the grim grittiness of realism and prepare yourself for being treated like shit in-character and liking it when you join the Eighth Battalion, the Shields of Stormwind, the Ninth Eagles of Stormwind, the Sixteenth Lions or one of the many other human-dwarf-gnome-worgen-only military guilds.
If you're on the Horde side then... Yeah, be prepared for what you just wrote about except for Silvermoon. In that case, be prepared for Games of Thrones intrigue on a colossal scale where every other elf has their own noble house and everyone's competing to be the bigger dick.

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>>49841020
World of Warcraft: Race War

>>49841020
>Legion focuses on classes
>most of them get ruined
>next expansion focuses on races
>???

>>49841020
It'll probably just be more of the usual, same old "hoomies and awrkses share the spotlight while everyone else stands in the background" bullshit.

There'll be probably another attempt to show the orcs as a proud and noble race that fails miserably, and instead portrays once again the fact that they are chronically violent, irredeemable warmongers that literally get away with murder due to writer fiat.

>>49841075
I play earthen ring/darkmoon faire
everyone here is fucked up beyond all recognition and I'm going to be surprised if half of them live to 25

but the handful of folks I found were neato

>>49841075
When did the switch from militant extremist light guilds to Everyone Military All Guards, All The Time happen? I remember when there were two bajillion scarlet crusade or extremist paladin orders duking it out.

>>49841127
You can't ruin Warcraft races more than what's already been done.

>>49841820
GoT rose to popularity and everyone wanted to be their favourite meme show character

>>49841820
It was due the success of the Stormguard guild during vanilla, then its far more infamous incarnation during WotLK. Also the success of the very long lived Stormwind City Guard in its original incarnation, which most people tended to obey and follow.

This led to lots of different copycats and around the time of Cataclysm, you had the sudden explosion of popularity surrounding A Song of Ice and Fire due to the shows. This led to a sudden influx of deadly serious noble houses that were extremely strict power fantasies for the guild leaders, who played the nobles while everyone else was their minion.

Then a Game of Thrones became the thing to hate and suddenly noble houses fell out of popularity and instead, the 'muh serious heavy roleplay' faggotry became focused on the Stormguard and Stormwind City Guard copycats.

So the result is lots of people marching around in identical transmogs, desperately trying to type cockney accents as they roleplay their proper hard military men or military dykes (that inevitably have even worse accents as punctuate every sentence with "fuckin'" or "shite" or "arse" for emphasis).

>>49841127
>implying most of the class stories except Warrior aren't fun.

>>49842322
Bludy 'ell guv.

>>49842377
What 're yer taffing 'bout m8?

The RP on moonguard is actually pretty ok now days. At least in the horde side, as long as you steer clear of silvermoon it's pretty nice.

>>49841820
Scarlet Crusade roleplay has always been badwrongfun. I don't recall any big paladin guilds aside from the Shield of the Light and that was pretty okay and kinda ancient too. Argent Crusade roleplay is also frowned upon due to the fact that they're peacemongers and in a server full of warmongering military guilds, anyone that advocates peace or an end of conflict between the Alliance and Horde is going against the spirit of Warcraft.

This is despite the technical truce between the Horde and Alliance throughout WoD and now Legion.

>>49842398
Well, the whole thing's gone tits up, innit? 'tis a shame.

I may suck at writing cockney slang and mannerisms, but at least I'm doing it as a joke on a Djiboutian grave-robbing convention instead of seriously on a RP server

>>49842476
But anon, where else am I supposed to get the blood elf poontang?

>>49842531
That, my friend, is what the people who do go to silvermoon go there for. It's a hive of scum and Villany almost as bad as goldshire is on the alliance side

>when you're questing through Val'Sharah and you run into an rp group.

Really makes it feel alive. Kudos to that group of Demon Hunters that took out that Xavious crony that went full faceless one.

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>>49842571
>he doesn't erp

>>49842593
>tfw you make a rogue on an RP server and stalk people that RP in /me emotes and /s instead of party chat or whispers

>>49841075
Are the mok'lohn dead yet?

>>49842694
Disbanded around the middle of 2014.

>>49842604
Just couldn't ever get into it. That and the overwhelming odds that any girl you get it on with is probly actually a guy

>>49842734
RIP
>it's been 3 years since I left
holy christ

>>49835317
It's funny how you pulled a Kanye on a thread themed on Tauren not getting enough love.

"Ya we'll get to tauren in a minute, but first let's talk about Khadgar more"

>>49838228
You should see Wildstar's RP.

Basically nothing but sexual hulks and tumbleristas everywhere you go.

>Aurin were a mistake
>inb4 most porn is gay chua stuff

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Also, some roleplayers have a weird habit of hoarding a large collection of titles. The sheer quantity that some have are pretty ridiculous.

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>Tfw I'm in the minority that doesn't RP my Worgen as semi feral.

I hate the ones who abandon their humanity and go straight for pack mentality.

People do realize you don't have to make them go into heat every 5 minutes, right?

>>49842807
ability to have multiple real titles when
>Salty Ironbane Timber Lord Illidari Blood Champion Xxxsephirothxxx of the Nightfall, The Fabulous, The Light of Dawn, Hellscream's Downfall, The Insane

, Empire's Twilight is the best title

>>49842871
Why would you play furry fapb8 race if you'ren't playing them as furry fapb8s?

>>49842787
Ironically, I also am one of the guys that started the whole "Tauren don't get enough attention" discussion on the last thread.

>>49841344

I dunno, with the highmountains in Legion it seems like they could build up to some tauren stuff, at least. I feel like they wouldn't have made Mayla a girl unless they planned to ship her with Baine. And if they do that as a plotline they'd need to throw in some sort of quest or antagonist to bend the story around, and Magatha's still out there with a macguffin and unresolved bullshit for Baine to deal with.

So tauren COULD be getting some love. Eventually. Maybe.

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>>49842888
>>49842807

>stacking titles

Maybe I'm just too 'Murican, but stacking titles sounds like a silly ego trip.

I know the dregs who live in the D.C. area tend to get a little overzealous over job titles (because they all crave power), but in that neck of the woods the bigger the title, the less important the person.

>>49842938
>I feel like they wouldn't have made Mayla a girl unless they planned to ship her with Baine
they did, but Alliance players got butthurt that Blizzard remembered he exists

>>49842901
Because there is a thing called "effort" and I like to use it in my rp and writing.

"Muh feral instincts" is boring and basic.

>>49842871
In my experience, most people actually seem to roleplay it as little more than a form they adopt for combat. Plus, they're not worgen, they're 'afflicted Gilneans.'

>>49836203
>catatonic
nah. The abominations have playful, childish demeanor and the regular ghouls and geists are sapient enough to run a simple economy where they trade their favourite pieces of corpse they like to eat most.

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>>49842949
Personally I would go with "inhuman monsters".

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>>49842787


>ctrl+f
>search for tauren
>2 of the 3 references to tauren are in your post, last one is OP

People just don't like the tauren man. They don't fit the setting at all. Warcraft is about.....well...WAR. And the tauren are a complete disconnect from the gritty politics and race wars that Blizzard wants in the game.

Honestly it would be better if the race was wiped out, at least that way people could treat them as noble martyrs. No one plays tauren, no one likes tauren, no one is GOING to play tauren, and the sooner blizzard kills off the tauren and its pathetic little culture in mulgore the better.

Even the race starting area is the most bland and uninteresting. Tauren are a low magic setting race stuck in a high magic setting. What point do they even serve? They are down to earth native americans that worship the idea of a mother nature in a setting where titans do everything now, demons are turning into good guys, and any good deity is just a Naaru like Selune or the Earthmother.

Other races are making tribal zeppelins and steampunk airships, giant machines of war and magical constructs. The tauren have made an elevator. That's it. They make real good elevators. Oh, and sign posts. In the middle of nowhere. Why would anyone think that was cool?

About the tauren not fitting in, when Garrosh went powermad and needed to be replaced who would make the most sense to replace him? The tauren leader right? NO ONE in game has a reason to hate the tauren, they are the settings version of mormons except people still hate mormons. Its as if Flanders from the simpsons had his soul split apart to make one race, except each individual tauren is only a fragment of a character with no substance.

So they chose the troll leader to take over the horde. Why? Because the leader of a race that everyone hates, where every level of play you have one to kill, fits the setting. Because Warcraft is about war. And even he got replaced by Sylvanus

>>49843001
>No one plays tauren, no one likes tauren,
i-i do

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>>49842871
>mfw Blightcaller unironically considers himself more human than Genn

>>49834855
I hate how the changes made to balance druids completely invalidate the reasoning behind the existence of tauren paladins and priests

They had a choice of one or the other, and tried to pick both, now the sunwalkers just look ignorant

>>49843013
And the sooner they kill off the tauren you can have the opportunity to play a real race with a real story.

It's okay, it's not your fault the race you play doesnt belong.

>>49843001
Baine just doesn't have enough seniority or experience to become the Warchief.

>>49843052
>And the sooner they kill off the tauren you can have the opportunity to play a real race with a real story.
jokes on you, I'm a death knight
extinction is for the living

>>49843031
Well, they're about as human as each other and hate one another, it's only natural they both consider themselves "more human" than the other one

>>49843063
Point, but that's just a sign of how much Blizzard doesnt like the tauren.

They killed off Cairne for no reason. And it was a pathetic fight. They kille him off after .....what, 5-6 years of sitting in thunder bluff congratulating the minuscule amount of tauren players on graduating out of their race area so they could have fun with real stories with real races?

Oh, and he wished people merry christmas.

The only good Cairne did in wow was die, and the same will happen to the tauren. At least it should.

Blizzard knew they made a mistake. And they've been correcting that mistake ever since.

>>49843066
See this is fine. This fits the setting.

>>49842888
I wish there would be an option to have a tile that goes before and after your name at the same time. Like "crusader Pallydin the noble".

>>49843153
I don't think your arguments support your point

You are right, Tauren have never done anything important, they're ignored by the writers and represent an era of Warcraft that the current writing staff want forgotten

The problem with your argument is that it was the best era of Warcraft, and by avoiding attention for so long, the Tauren are now the only race that has not been ruined by shitty writing.

It is better to get no attention than bad attention, and all the current blizzard writers can give is bad attention, just look at Illidan, so it is always better to be ignored by them

>>49842948
>muh writing
>I'm a writer guys
>buy my book on amazon when my publisher gets back to me

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>>49843234
But why not just remove them at this point? Makes more room for chars that fit more, and Mulgore is a decent size. If you got rid of the tauren imagine what you could do.

Maybe a portal to the burning legion home planes opens in mulgore. Tauren wiped out and now we have a huge battle zone. People will actually visit for the first time.

Or maybe the elementals freak again and they turn mulgore inside out. Now we got an elemental zone.

Or the zeppelins the goblins run in mulgore cause some horrific accident while transportign hazardous material. Now we have a poisonous zone, goblins will bring in conflict but Sylvanus will say "we need them!" and so the taurens get to be edgy loners.

>>49843410
>Makes more room for chars that fit more
Warcraft is THE Fantasy kitchen sink.
Makes that argument silly.
Also, you really think wiping out the native american expys for "not being advanced enough" is a good idea?

>>49843441

I would imagine that people who are offended at native american portrayal in video games would like to see them out of the game. And unless they do almost the worst retcon ever that means killing them off.

Or keep them around and bring them up to speed.

Tauren are more of a distraction more than anything.

>>49843507
As are most races that aren't Orcs, Humans or Elves at this point.

>>49843410
>Belf and panda cant leave horde because MMO
>Nelf and draenei cant be neutral because MMO
>Let's wipe out an entire race and force the players to race change

Never gona happen

>>49842377
>>49842398
>cockney
/v/ has ruined me.

>>49843678
Cockey? 'ven't ever heard of such thing, m8. Maybe ye should visit de doctor, them deliriums be pretty unhealthy.

>>49843674
>Faction Rebalance/New game never ever
>The Horde consisting of Orcs, Trolls, Tauren, The Alliance consisting of Humans, Dwarves, Gnomes, everyone else being Neutral never ever
>Reptuation will never really matter
>Ability to swap factions never fucking ever

>>49834855
Why the fuck is the spirit walker Tauren color option limited solely to death knights?

>>49843710
Is ya bum tighter than a jew's pocket? Mind if I stick it?

>>49834855
tauren got a whole lotta love.

>>49843745
I think night elves being in the alliance and forsaken and blood elves being in the horde open up really interesting setting and story options. Just think about the political implications of the orcs being allied with the (former) humans that once formed the last resistance that finally stopped the Horde in the second war, or the conflicting viewpoint in Alliance policy as a result of eternally forward-thinking gnomes and notoriously conservative night elves being a part of the same faction

Of course, this was never really capitalized upon, it sort of was, but really badly

>>49844004
>forsaken should be perfectly aware of major human languages as their status as former humans and thus lorewise should be able to talk with guys
>they switched using some kind of ghetto version of it because we totally can't have players to be able communicate between factions
>hell even given how orcs spend years by being held in prison camps by humans then one would think there would be at least couple benedict arnolds that work for the alliance

Fucking Blizzard, fucking up interesting shit because of reasons.

>>49844126
But lore-wise forsaken are aware of the major human languages, same with orcs, the only reason they can't in-game is because people were jerks to the opposing faction in the alpha and beta

>>49844209
Little bit of cross faction banter (and flaming) just adds to the faction conflict experience.

>>49844004
The flipside of most of these sound a lot more interesting to me.

>Forsaken teaming up with the Alliance, because they never actually left of their own free will
>Shit gets awkward between Holy Light Priests and Shadow Priests
>Have both Optimistic and Quirky Gnomes and Bleak and Sardonic Forsaken in the same faction
>Also opens the door for Blood Elves in BC, because, really, Garithos is dead and one dick shouldn't be enough to shit on hundreds of years of friendship
>Elves are torn between trying to find the Holy Light on the human side and Fel Crackdaddies on the Forsaken Side
>The political powerstruggle in the Alliance continues, North vs South, Lordaeron vs Stormwind, Humans vs Undead
>Internal powerstruggles are an actually legit reason as to why the Alliance doesn't just shit on the Horde if it gets uppity


>Night Elves team up with the Horde, with Tauren being the mediators between Orcs and Elves, thus being actually relevant
>Elf Support is necessary to secure Kalimdor and get the ressources necessary for the growth of Durotar
>To get that support, Thrall has to punish the Warsong to set a sign
>That also means renouncing the demon semen drinking ways properly, no Dinduism Allowed
>The Night Elves also bring a banged up, but not insubstantial army and pissed-off nature itself to the table, making Kalimdor a safe base for the Horde

>>49844209
Which I feel is a pretty archaic stance at this point. When I played TOR, I never had any issues with grieving due to cross-faction /say. I'm all for not allowing it through global channel or whispers, but /say should at least be allowed. Make Common universal and maybe give humans a new racial language.

>>49838228
First of all: women fucking love RP. Especially freeform RP where they don't constantly get crap for being women because they're behind a screen.

Second: Girl u fooling urself if a lot of RP wasn't an excuse to fuck.

Here's the hard truth: its a video game that's a bad format for RP more complicated than fucking around or light fluff between guildmates, which can be a ton of fun with the right crew! But as soon as it gets more complicated than that you probably want to use a system designed to handle that shit. Maybe a MUSH if you really want a massive amount of players?

>>49838782
Oh my god we get it you vape fel every THREAD with you.

>>49838228
I've been actually wanting to get into WoW RP as of late, though it just seems so hard to break into and find people.

>>49841075
that sounds awful.

>>49842536
The Worse part of this is all they do is stand around.

They don't interact with each other.

>>49842947
What? Man we're FINE with the tauren getting some love dude. Don't blame Blizzard's ADD on us.

>>49842949
My worgen says that but he's also deeply, deeply in denial.

>>49843001
Dude that's what's cool about them.

They were a peaceful, mellow people who made a hasty promise they've kept and got dragged into a life of warfare.

If you don't see how that could be fun as hell in a warfare based setting I don't even know what's up with your fool head dude.

>>49839669
>Abandoning your allies when you could have mass-teleported them to safety when the attack failed
>not wrong

But what else would you expect from a Dreadlord?

>>49844237
Yeah I never liked "no banter, ever."

>>49844835
It depends on where you are really. What server are you on?

>>49845002
I went with Moonguard since it was near the top of the list.

>>49845028
If you're playing Alliance, I always advise playing a Dwarf.

Some of the best lore, and you can be both serious and comical.

>>49845040
Well, it's less that I'm unsure of what character to play, and more that I'm not sure how to get going with it.

Thanks for the advice though.

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>>49842022
>Challenge accepted

>>49843745
>>49844004
>>49844126
>>49843674

The faction system is a mistake.

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>mfw I still cannot serve best lich

>>49847395

I wonder what would happen if they made the Scourge a Third faction or WoW didn't have its faction system.

It could work. Make Ner'zhul the Lich King or at least have a bigger role in the Scourge.

Maybe start off in Scholomance?

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>>49847815
>Maybe start off in Scholomance?

Yayyy necromancy! I wonder if blizz would take away from UHDKs and Afflic Locks to make the necromancer class work.

>>49845516
You can try joining a guild that does RP, or if you're on horde the inn in orgrimmar's valley of honor has quite a few RPers depending on the time of day

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i just want them to delete post-wotlk gameplay, lore, everything

>>49848145

But WotLK had lower Lore.

>Cartoon villain Arthas
>Ner'zhul dreamstabbed in novel
>Argent Tournament
>DER MUS AWEES BEE UHHH LEECH KEEN
>Tirion

>>49848145
>i just want them to delete post-wc3 gameplay, lore, everything

FTFY

>>49848442
Fuck Tirion and his sword stealing self, Ashbringer is a Mograine family heirloom, it belongs in the hands of Darion.

>>49848525
>>49848442
>hating Tirion
>wanting the Ashbringer to stay corrupted

Mograine please go.

>The mysterious ferryman of souls stands at the helm of the Naglfar, gathering the damned and bringing them to Helya's domain. His connection with the fallen queen of the val'kyr is unclear, but when the breeze catches Harbaron's cloak, an expanse of shimmering stars unfolds beneath. Strange.
>when you fight him, he uses arcane and actual void magic instead of typical shadow magic
what did Blizzard mean by this

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>>49848145
take that back, lesser being

>>49849348
propably another Constellar like Algalon

>>49848727

There's plenty of swell Lore in WoW. It just happens to not have been built on or revisiting Lore from the RTS era (especially Illidan).

>>49848525

Tirion is Metzen's pet character.

>>49849484

Lei Shen was a dandy foe who should have played a bigger role in MoP. He's an example of how they can actually do swell Lore whenever they aren't trying to revisit the RTS era. MOP didn't go full throttle on being trash until the faction war went full throttle.

How do you feel about memory loss for an RP character /tg/

>>49850668
Frankly it depends on the reason they have it and how you would play it. Along with whether or not they'll get their memory back. What specifically do you have in mind?

>>49850668
Memory loss is clichéd as fuck and most people will see it that way.
It really depends how creative you are with it.

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>There isn't a blood curse. Instead, the Orcs were poisoned in a conspiracy between Blackmoore, Blackhand's sons, and some Gnomes
>Alexstraza is scheming and has Deathwing as a son. Also isn't an Aspect. Teams up with Thrall
>Orc Shamanism has Necromancry
>Kilrogg Deadeye, Zul'jin and Kargath Bladefist are around in Thrall's Horde
>Thrall blows up Deathwing
>Thrall melts Rend and Maim
>Lothar killed in a fight with a gang of Ogre Magi

How would WC3 turn out? Or even WoW?

>>49848145

Warcraft needs a full reboot. Rewrite everything into consistency, purge out the knaak shit and bad lore, keep the good parts.

Its so obvious they are just making up random shit as they go.

>>49852257

That requires outside help.

>>49852353

Dont tell me that a multi-billion company cant afford to hire some writers to go through their shit.

>>49852456
Yeah, they hired some writers. They're responsible for the disaster that the tie-in materials are, and they only keep getting worse regardless of author.
Fuck, I'd pick (early) Knaak any day over whoever was responsible for that atrocity they call WC2 novelizations.

>>49852565
>>WC2
What's wrong with them?

>>49852649
Anon's salty that the dialogue wasn't as over the top as the opening quests.

>>49850729
My character was attacked the last thing they remember from before is a silhouette of their attacker. Their current goal is to find and question and probably kill the attacker. And maybe find some clues about who they were along the way.

>>49852649
It's been a while since I last read those, but cringeworthy dialogue (Anasterian's is something I wish to forget and still can't) and obvious plotholes (Arator never even gets alluded to despite the Turalyon and Alleria taking up half the books) aside, the writers just have no fucking sense of scale. They consistently fail to realize that the world depicted in-game is a shrunken abstraction compared to what it's supposed to be and keep writing it like it's that abstraction, resulting in action and characters moving from place to place stupidly fast. It gives the impression that the Second War was fought over the span of a week. I'm pretty sure the Horde somehow managed to march from Hillsbrad to Quel'thalas in a day or two in that book.

Golden is frequently guilty of this, especially in War Crimes. Yeah, there's still trash mobs at Windrunner Spire and Vereesa totes can make it all the way from Pandaria to Ghostlands in an hour or so.

>>49836075
They put a few events into the chronicle. Stormwind almost got razed by fucking gnolls at one point.

>>49852845
Can the Chronicles do anything right?

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>>49852892
The art was great.
I'm not sure who the stick figures the Faceless are bossing around supposed to be though.

>>49852892
>Weak ass pinkskins almost getting fucked by literally anybody
>Somehow not correct

seriously though. It was done mostly to justify the warrior culture of stormwind, while not having the human kingdoms infight at any point.

>>49852825

This. The books feel so "jittery" like the characters are jumping around to historical events in days. It makes everything feel completely weightless and unimportant. War Crimes also fucking triggers me so bad, that book literally can not be analyzed why its shit because the answer is literally everything. Everything is wrong with that heaping pile of garbage and unlike most tie-in novels it seeped into the game and gave us WoD.

God, I could have strangled kittens I was so mad about the part when they refused to kill Garrosh because "if we kill him he cannot grow!"

>>49852821
Do you have the backstory already thought out and know who the culprit you'll eventually find is or are you gonna wing it?

>>49853403
I think what I hated most about it, and Pandaria-related things in general, is that the 'jury' was impartial and made a decision before the trial began and it continues to push the philosophy that was built on doing nothing for ten thousand years. It's like the USA in WW1 coming in and wondering why the Commonwealth forces had so many shell shocked soldiers. Clearly they must have been doing something wrong. The rest of Azeroth went through shit almost nonstop for a good thirty years, not to mention the other important events since the first Legion invasion.

>>49852921
Stickmen confirmed new playable race in next expansion
Which side though

>>49853546

Pandaria was just next level obnoxious

>going in as a draenei paladin
>constantly getting shit talked by every NPC how I need HARMONEEEEEE
>that NPC at the capital shit talks me and some other draeneo NPC on spiritual matters
>I'm also apparently an ebul warmonger for fighting the horde, you know, the guys who genocided my people and after we escaped went for a second attempt
>I must be full of hatred and prejudice for wanting the horde dismantled and their leaders executed, not coddled and excused

I fucking hate when writers just have no clue how to handle the subject they want to use.

>>49853516
Nope I'm winging it. I'm looking at it now and I think it looks generic as fuck but I've gone to deep to turn back now.

>>49853610
I feel the same way with this 'illidan is special he was a good boy he dindu nuffin' shit they're pulling now. When Xe'ra said I had some kind of greedy rage plague blinding me, I could only shake my head. You don't get to roleplay my character, Blizzard, especially just to make up for your mistakes.

>>49853637
>blinding rage plague

Well, this is sort of true

DROP YOUR FUCKING GLAIVES ALREADY ILLIDINDU I'VE BEEN FARMING SINCE MOP

>>49853654
>farming strath since cata for the deathcharger
>rivendare doesn't drop it.
REEE

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>>49853403
>>49852825
>reading War crimes right after I finish reading the LoTR appendices and the tale of aragorn and arven.
>mfw

Its like someone taking a shart in your ice cream and calling it chocolate sprinkles.

>>49834855
So, where exactly is the "RPG Discussion" part of these threads supposed to be?

Looks like a bunch of faggots jerking it about WoW to me.

>>49853637
I feel like I'm in the minority where I don't mind us killing Illidan was a mistake. I didn't really get the chance to play much of BC but it always sounded weird to me that we killed Illidan because the reason he fucked off to Outland was to hide from Kil'Jaedan and he wants to fuck over the Legion if possible. So I was a person who constantly claimed Illidan dindu nuffin but having the naaru praise Illidan 'the Betrayer' Stormrage just doesn't sit right with me.

>>49853696
we try and make the meme tier wow lore post cata into an working RPG and worldbuilding.

>>49853696
Pretty sure it's just become code to talk shit about the lore and maybe so RP stuff will come up along the way.

>>49853610
Pandas were a mistake.

>>49853715
So you say, but I haven't seen any of that.

People have talked about books, about RP in WoW, and >>49853698 this faggot right here who is clearly a WoW /v/ trashole.

Where have ANY of these threads done what you're claiming? Can you point me to an archived thread? Or even a 1d4chan page?

>>49853637

Wasnt Xi'ri even the naauru leading the assault on BT? I remember vindicators and blood elf magisters just chilling outside with a naaru.

Also, Illidan being a dindu is the height of retardation. He was never anything else but a cartoonishly self-serving evil changing sides at the drop of the hat, doing all sorts of retarded things, serving the legion, craving power, genociding night elf villages with naga just for the lulz and wanting to fuck his brothers wife. Then he got so cray after Arthas slapped his shit he was hallucinating stuff.

And now he is the goodliest good guy who gets to be edgy and will lead the army of the light cause destiny said so and you were an evil meanie poopy head for killing him.

>>49853698

I agree, he could have been handled better. But in a way I really liked how secretitive he was in BC. You only find his letters and his mooks for much of your BC experience, even getting to his top lieutenants was a huge feat. The few times you see him was an absolute shock and a memorable moment, Contrast with the Lich King showing up in every zone in WotLK to drop exposition and tell you how he will get you next time, Gatget.

>>49853741
First few threads talked about the 3.5 warcraft rules and I don't remember if anything more came of that.

>>49853741

And you came here only to shitpost.

>>49853610
>not one Draenei NPC mentions this to them
>not one Tauren mentions their people's blood debt to the Orcs
>not one Forsaken mentions how the undead condition prevents them from achieving harmony
>not one Blood Elf mentions the Arcane addiction
>not one Goblin mentions their inherent lust for money

>>49853696
The official RPG has been out since 3.5 wasn't even halfway through its cycle. There's not really much left to say.

So we continue on in the vain hope that someone will find use for aspects of it in their games, and for a place where lore can actually be discussed properly.

>>49853744
That's the thing, him being a dindu is contrary to everything else we've seen. He's only ever been interested in 'power', whatever that may be, like a thirteen year olds first OC. Only when Legion hit did we get "Oh no he's actually the good guy and you're all bad guys for killing him! You better feel bad about it!".

I'm just hoping this golden boy Illidan shit is just a huge hoax by Kil'jaeden.

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>>49842604
>>49842734
>tfw "nerd" gf who rps
feels good

>>49844244
I disagree, but I can see why you hold that opinion

That does sound interesting, I just think that the factions we got could be just as interesting, if only Blizzard hadn't fucked up

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>>49853826
>not realizing who Illidan's template was

>>49844911
They weren't peaceful and mellow when they first encountered the orcs. Not for lack of trying, but rather because they were under constant threat of annihilation from the quilboar and centaur

Then the orc/troll/tauren alliance kicked the quilboar and centaur out of Mulgore and the Tauren set up a permanent home there

>>49848442
Bad, but still better than Cataclysm

>>49853971
GOD DAMN IT WARFIELD DINDU NUFFIN
FUCKING BITCH

>>49848442
>fuck gotta stop lich king from raping the whole world with his rotting dick
>what would be the best way to accomplish this
>i know, a massive fucking tournament
>brilliant

>>49853610
It was the first expansion for WoW where it felt like I was exploring a new place and being a hero, rather than just playing out some big storyline that covers the whole expansion, they could have told me that orcs were created by the naaru and are the chosen race of light and I would have accepted it just to get that vanilla-WoW feeling of a living world back

Then they blew it with Garrosh, but hey, Garrosh was nothing but a bad idea writing-wise since BC, it's only natural he fucks up everything he's involved in, he's like plot-cancer

>>49854054
Nice try, Thrall.

>>49854063

But Garrosh was a clusterfuck of bad ideas. He went to mopey shit to douchey fucktard to whiny warmonger without any likeable states between.

>>49853826
That's not entirely true

What made Illidan interesting is that he had lied to himself to the point of believing it. He justified pursuing selfish goals by convincing himself that they were for the greater good. He was in a constant struggle between his own failing morality and his lust for power.

Then Legion through the internal conflict away, because Kosak does not seem to understand that characters are more than just plot-devices

>>49854063
Thrall liked Garrosh in BC and WotLK, and tolerated him in Cata

Thrall's place story-wise is interesting, when surrounded by good characters (Cairne, Jaina, Rexxar, Vol'jin) he's really cool, when surrounded by bad characters (Garrosh, Aggra, post-bomb Jaina) He's a fucking moron. His value is not inherent, but rather decided by the value of those he encounters

>>49854041
yeah but she spared a dropship of marines so she's a good guy :^)

>*pre-emptively annihilates protoss settlement*
pshhh.. we've all got blood on our hands, kid

>>49854127
Jim should've shot her.

>>49854158
Getting some zerg pussy is more important than avenging my brotoss Fenix and all other people she has killed.

t. Jim Raynor

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>>49854197
I will shoot my best bro who I owe my life and freedom to in the fucking face because maybe I'll get to stick it in the person who betrayed, killed and desecrated the bodies of all of my war buddies

FUCK STARCRAFT 2

>>49854197
He didn't even get that. She just fucked off to space after wrecking Korhal.

>>49854222
>>49853971
What's up with Blizzard and making dindu nuffin characters? It's like Stan Lee and characters in New York.

>>49854232
It's simple

Blizzard makes interesting villainous characters and boring heroes with a few rare exceptions. But they want people to like the heroes and dislike the villains, so they turn heroes people don't like into villains and villains people like into heroes

The heroes that turn into villains look like morons, the villains turn into heroes are the dindus


It's like pro wrestling in a way

>>49854232
it's their go-to plotline after CORRUPTION.txt

Easy tweest that prolongs shit and keeps familiar faces around.

>>49854085
I liked cata Garrosh.

>>49854306
He's all the not-dindu an orc should be, without all the wank of Grom.

>>49854262

Sylvanas can't wrestle!

>>49854317
He was a war mongerer who had some sense of honor. Then he went to repeat daddy's mistakes

>>49854322
Sylvanas doesn't need to wrestle, she has the most plot armour in all fiction.

>>49854331

So she's Hulk Hogan?

>>49854322
What are you talking about? She wrestled with Arthas all the time when she was apart of the Scourge.

>>49854334

Hull Kogan?

>>49854322
That's hot

>>49854306
>I liked when every bit of characterization the orcs got since WC3 was thrown away because HURR DURR PUT DA WAR BACK IN WARCRAFT

>>49854359
Orcs like war. Their fucking greetings are Blood and Thunder and Victory or Death. Garrosh was making the horde that he was raised on. The cataclysm provided and opportunity for the horde to grow and he seized it like a good warchief.

>>49854359
Orcs are like Klingons. They're both warrior cultures with big fanbases that get a pass because of 'muh honour'. They both commit genocide but still look down on others. Also, their more famous characters lived among humans for most of their lives.

Worf is also one of the worst Star Trek characters ever, if not the worst for his fanbase.

>>49854405
>Orcs like war following the reveal of the existence of the Mag'har. The Cataclysm provided him with a naval fleet and a giant army out of thin air and he seized on it and still lost because of how fucking incompetent he is

If the Mag'har didn't exist, orcs would be a a full, developed people instead of a one-dimensional villain race that the writers occasionally try to convince us are totally good guys

Fuck I miss the Rexxar campaign

>>49854359
>I liked it when the thrall washed the orcs of all responsibility and assumed the moral high ground after the alliance stopped their daemon-fueled murder rampage and didn't execute them all on the spot
YEAH THOSE ORCS SPARED AZEROTH (STORMWIND) REAL FUCKIN HARD AFTER THE FIRST WAR, HOW DARE THOSE HUMANS TREAT THEM UNFAIRLY AFTER THE SECOND ONE

>>49854405
Cataclysm Garrosh was fine, MoP Garrosh was a complete derailment though.

>>49854430

This. I loved WC3 orcs so much. They were actually trying to break free and make their own future.

WoW orcs are just dindo hypocrites who start wars and bitch about racism and slavery when they lose.

>>49854359


That PUT DA WAR BACK must be the stupidest shit ever, just enforcing meaningless Red vs. Blue. The writers CAN NOT FUCKING HANDLE concepts like war so we end up with shit like War Crimes,

>>49854472
Vanilla WoW orcs were OK

...Almost, the Warsong were still absolute bastards that were only there to justify the night elves being a part of the Alliance because heaven forbid the factions be split across continental lines

>>49854472
The problem is that to put the 'war' back in Warcraft you'd need to dedicate an entire expansion to it. No matter what the expansion is, the Horde vs Alliance themes always seem like proxy battles fought by third parties. Always Cold War and not World War.

>>49853777

You know, in spite of the fact that it's been technically declared non-canon, Blizzard has taken things like Hob-Goblins, Junk Golems, and even the fucking Dark Elves out of them when you really wouldn't expect them to reference any of that material at all. Just how many stuff originated in the RPGs that later made it into the games?

>>49854502


>put the 'war' back in Warcraft

Stupid fucking buzzword. War was never not a part of Warcraft, except in vanilla it was much more nuanced and built up than pointless and inconclusive setpieces like Siege of Ogrimmar that achieved absolutely nothing.

>>49854502
I loved the vanilla WoW cold war, it was surprisingly in-depth

Both sides know full well that there is a large discrepancy in terms of military might between them. The Alliance could crush the Horde should all-out war occur. But the cost of such a war on the Alliance side is too great to warrant actually going through with it unless the Horde start it, not to mention that the Alliance was still an Alliance at this point, not a blue Horde, and the only way they could go to war as a full force is if those who desired war could somehow convince those who didn't to go through with it or they risk splintering. Meanwhile, the Horde is held together by mutual fear of destruction. Should the Forsaken leave the Horde, the Alliance as a unified force would destroy the Forsaken and the Horde. Simple divide and conquer, but together, they could do enough damage to the Alliance that it is not worth it.

>>49854502
MoP did a good version of that, I feel. Constant bickering and shitting by both sides, when there's PvE purples in them thar hills.

>>49854500
Well, how else were you supposed to have a base on the opposite continent so you could reach its neutral questing zones?

>>49854621
Theramore and Stonard/Grom'gol

>>49854630
Technically I have to accept that.

>>49854621

We could not have factions. Or different factions.

>>49853698
I mean he went pretty fucking evil in outland, had a black temple of darkness and agony and everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc5ZM2qJMV4

Better Arthas voice?

>>49854982
3 easily.

>>49854982
3 seems to be capable of actually having emotions beyond "i'm batman".

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>>49853669
>>49853654
>Farming Raven mount since BC.

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>>49854405
>Garrosh was making the horde that he heard in the stories that was raised on.


Fixed. Garrosh sat around in Nagrand during the First and Second Wars. He would have been fel-aged by Gul'dan as fodder and probably be as demented and Rend and his brother.

>>49854544
I think he means going back to RTS, because the RP stuff is getting all so tiresome.

>>49855509
Why, boner. This is why I can't watch Wakfu

>>49854472
>WoW orcs are just dindo hypocrites who start wars and bitch about racism and slavery when they lose.

When did they do that?

>>49854222
>>49854197
>>49854158
Raynor is retarded. Mengsk was retarded. Kerrigan is very retarded. And Zeratul is senile af.

Starcraft 2 ruined the SC1 cast.

>>49855509
Got that mount on my first farming run same with the firelands one

>>49855958
Go back to the Void, Duran.

>>49856428
Shouldn't you be crying over Razhagal, screaming about DOOM at some poor templar, or helping Kerrigan to become even more of a bitch? Go drink your broth, old man.

>>49856555
No, I'm here to say good night, you son of a bitch.

>>49856580

RIP Alexei. You were too good for this world. Fuck DuGalle that pussy bitch.

>>49856580
Stukov, you're not Zeratul, and you're not important. You were better off dead, old friend.

>>49855958
>>49854222

Legacy of the Void was pretty good. Not the epilogue stuff so much (except that one xel'naga showing up and going "sorry dudes no destiny or force ghosts it was just me", which did retroactively made zeratul's quest more interesting) but the actual protoss campaign story I enjoyed. The religion/multiculturalism/progress theme running under it was interesting. Also it had Alarak smugging around the place and treating Artanis like he was a big dumb adorable puppy.

>>49856767
Yeah, overall I liked LotV's campaign. There were a few things that could've been improved upon, but it was leaps and bounds ahead of HotS.

And then there's the epilogue....

God, JUST went I thought they couldn't make Kerrigan any worse, they went and turned her into LITERALLY GOD.

>>49856927
We needed more Purifiers. I like how it implies that other than that Geth-linking thing they have, they seem to have some psionic potential too. I mean fuck, how does a terminator become psychic? Not even the Protoss know now, since the ones that do know are all charred.

>>49856767
>Alarak smugging around the place and treating Artanis like he was a big dumb adorable puppy.

You know, I wonder if one of the problems WoW has is the lack of dialogue. I mean, actual dialogues, two or more characters just chatting it up with each other. Because, looking back, that's where a lot of the better writing from Blizz comes from. Alarak with Artanis, Kerrigan with Abathur, Arthas' banter with people in WCIII... even the momentary back-and-forths between characters in Heroes of the Storm are flavorful.

But in WoW, you can't have a lot of those, because if you don't involve the player then they just have to stand there and feel bored in a way that they wouldn't if they didn't have a literal avatar there, and you can't involve the player character in the dialogues because they're an empty shell with no personality. The only speech we get is either characters telling the player what to do, or momentarily shouting at each other from across a room.

Wacraft really needs another non-multiplayer game, just to build up some lore without the players being in the way.

On the other hand, I'm not sure how much I trust Blizz even with that, now. I don't mind retcons if they make things make more sense, but when you've got writers adding retcons that make things make LESS sense, you've got a special kind of stupid going on.

>>49857515
>Wacraft really needs another non-multiplayer game, just to build up some lore without the players being in the way.

And and...Jesus Christ. Trying to get people up to date on everything that happened over the course of WoW would be a nightmare.

>>49857515
Best bet would probably be to retcon whole WoW off as a nightmare that Thrall had after having a spoiled quilboar kebab for supper.

>>49857558

>I dreamed that they introduced a whole heap of characters just to kill/corrupt/forget about them soon after!

>>49853696
>Warcraft <LORE> and RPG Discussion

Well, we are talking about the game's lore. If someone really wants to bring up the RPG and discuss it, they are free to do so.

Also, how do you want us to discuss Warcraft's lore if we don't bring up WoW, the game where most of the lore development has happened in the last dozen of years.

>>49857558
>>49857600
>Warchief, this is why we don't eat Quillboar. It's haram.

So, which class stories and halls are the most interesting/fun to play?

>>49857819
death knight is fun
warlock seems interesting but I haven't finished it
demon hunter is supposed to be really silly

>>49857851
demon hunter is basically "ok so we need to get illidan back"- and you accomplish nothing towards it.

>>49857819
Druid is cool.
Hunter is really meh.

>>49842593
my guild's stationed in val'sharah, may have been my folks my dude

>>49857819
A lot of them are cooler in concept than reality
Like Warriors preparing for Ragnarok, then conquering a demon world to rescue Hodir.
Or priests uniting all the denominations light shadow elune even the scalet crusade is brought into the fold. All to fend off an invasion on your class hall failing and getting rescued by a holy dreadlord

>>49857851
Warlock ends up with you enslaving the Eredar Twins, then selecting the sixth member of the Black Harvest between Kira and Lulubelle. Since the campaign is supposed to continue in future patches, we'll likely kill/enslave Mephistroth as well.

>>49857910
It's really mostly about killing two traitor dumn huntards. Illidan's shows up at one point to make you the new boss, but after that has no involvement in the story.
On the plus side, those dumb Illidindu quests make a bit more sense for DHs as they actually have a reason to care about Illidan.

>>49858403
That big crack on Xe'ras core must have damaged her thinking ability

>>49858403
Man, for all their bragging about the ultimate anti-demon warriors, demon hunters sure do get corrupted by demons a lot in Legion.

>>49858399
I wish warlocks were given the option of killing the demons instead of enslaving them

I don't want those traitorous bastards hanging around my sanctuary, that's just asking for trouble. Besides, any warlock doing fel research probably doesn't want demons listening in to figure out how to counteract warlock tricks

>>49857819
Mage was rather plain, though it did mix with the main story well, what with how everyone is based in Dalaran.

>>49858519
Thw whole point of warlocks nowadays is dominating the demons killing them goes to demon huntards

>>49857558
In the very initial stages of WoW, it was said that World of Warcraft's lore was its own continuity and that none of it would matter for a possible Warcraft 4.

That was before the servers were populated by so many players they could pretty much have been a medieval world population on their own.

If would be the dumbest, VERY dumbest thing to do for Blizzard to disregard any WoW lore at this point. They have established the same amount of world building as Warhammer or Tolkien's Middle-Earth, which is ridiculous amounts of potential plothooks and scenarios that they can use for their storytelling.

And don't you ever dare take away the popular characters or their current iterations. Can't have Thrall actually be Warchief for once because the majority of people haven't actually witnessed him being a Warchief, and retconning the Draenei bullshittery out of existence is basically inviting keyboard riots and thus potential loss of consumers.

Space Goats were a mistake. A horrible, horrible, sexy mistake.

>>49858629
Right, because demon hunters were designed to take everything fun about warlocks and ruin it by adding a fuckton of angst

God damn I hate demon hunters, they really should just be a fourth warlock spec designed for tanking, not their own class

>>49853744
>And now he is the goodliest good guy who gets to be edgy and will lead the army of the light cause destiny said so and you were an evil meanie poopy head for killing him.
Nah, Illidindu is "Child of Light and Shadow", which in the Naaru slang must stand for "Demon", as Fel energies came to be where Light and Shadow clashed, annihilated each other, and left Fel behind.

>>49858873
>The majority of WoW players now have only ever experienced Warcraft at it's worst, and think that this is normal, rather than fucking awful

This hurts me

>>49858947
What hurts me even more is that they technically have the chance to experience Warcraft at its peak by playing Warcraft 3's campaign, but they are utterly biased and can only see the lore through the lense of the WoW canon.

They can never experience the true beauty of Warcraft even if they tried.

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>Reading lore on Artifacts
>OU Blackhand now shares his backstory with WoD Blackhand, including magma arm
I am OK with that

>Orgrim defeated Blackhand in Mak'gora
I liked it more when Orgrim was known as the Backstabber, though that was in Warcraft 2, and likely just because he killed Blackhand.

I miss Doomhammer with spikes and knife.
>It was 21 years ago
Times change.

>>49859137
I'm still salty AU Orgrim was such a bitch.

>>49859071
I bet they think Garrosh is a badass and Thrall is a pussy

Granted, Thrall is indeed a pussy, but the point is that there was a time when he wasn't

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>>49859166
He should've been a good boy and listened to Blackmoore

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>>49859137
>Be me in 2004
>Completely buy into the noble savage stereotype
>Love orcs to a fault, would have sucked a green cock right then and there
>Read up on Blackhand
>Hate his guts because he's a stupid warmonger that's easily manipulated by Gul'Dan and that he helped turn muh noble orc race into angry demonbitches
>Fast forward
>WoD comes out
>Blackhand is a-fucking-mazing
>Great design
>Commands respect through presence, not only through smashing
>Cue Warcraft film
>Blackhand is stoic, based, determined
>Only fault is jobbig hard in Mak'Gora
>Completely adore this character
>Dub him "the Pussydestroyer" because no way orcsluts don't want his mighty cock planting seeds for whelps in them
>Want to see Blackrock-Clan rise again to its full glory
>MFW I will never see the day people won't harbour disdain for the Blackrock-orcs as cartoonish villains that embody the worst traits in orc kind.
>MFW I will never see Blackhand canonically become a good man who slips in the eye of temptation and is a victim of powers beyond him

These feels, I cannot fight them. I can only swim in them as they carry me away.

>>49859313
>>MFW I will never see the day people won't harbour disdain for the Blackrock-orcs as cartoonish villains that embody the worst traits in orc kind.
Well there's the Saurfangs which is literally Varok. So you have at least one Blackrock orc that isn't cartoonishly evil.

>>49859313
So you sucked green cock then and suck green cock now, what's the difference?

>>49858470
It's a issue with storytelling. We generally only see Demon Hunters either failing or being corrupted because when Demon Hunters are actually succeeding, the player character generally isn't needed, there's not much reason to be there. So the player gets sent to where it's all gone to shit instead, so we get a bit of a skewed view.

>>49859347
This time he sucks cock that is greyed from lack of sunlight.

>>49859137
Damn, my friend draws like Metzen.
Shit, I'll have what they're having. I wanna draw like that.

>>49859382
I thought lack of sunlight means darker shade?

>>49859447
I thought it had something to do with Fel exposure/corruption.

>>49859431
Pick up that pencil and listen to lots of 80's hardrock and heavy metal, son. It's the Metzen way.

>>49859466
Well, I'm already listening. Guess I better pick up that pencil pronto

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>>49859464
WoD Blackhand may be pale from scars, but Blackrock Orcs lives inside a mountain.

Same with Kargath Bladefist.
>tfw Blizzard forgot that Kargath was short, old, and one-eyed in Warcraft 2 BtDP

>>49859542
Blizzard forgot many great things.

Blizzard forgot these things because they brought in people to work on WoW who only got into Warcraft in the transition period between TFT and WoW and who have had a whole bunch of fanfiction material and used them to replace the people who have been familiar with the older material.

>>49859542
>tfw Grommash was supposed to be a thin, wiry bastard with a shrill voice
>Instead WoD gives us Beefhunk McManlydude #629, with a voice like James Earl Jones with a throat infection

>>49859595
It is sad that the shit writing that WoW has caused isn't only limited to the WoW but has also spread to Diablo and Starcraft.

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Uther wasn't the most imposing guy in the club.

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>>49859806
Kil'jeaden looked nothing like the Eredar

>>49859806
Sir Coffee?

>>49856767
Legacy of the Void was the best because most of it was the Protoss being huge fucking bros to each other.

I knew it was going to be better the instant Zeratul shows up to tell Artanis not to attack Aiur and he and Artanis have a short, but respectful discussion, and don't sperg out over disagreeing.

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>>49859806
>MFW I realised Uther was originally Metzen's self insert

>>49859685
Thanks the gods
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgteUAI4tZo

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>>49859891
>Metzen self insert
>Not on orc

>>49860020
>Not liking Warcraft 2 Grom's voice
Pleb taste.

And Warcraft 3 Grom was still lean. Instead they made him in WoD to look more like his (?) Ogre-headed buffoon of a son.

>>49852921
trolls mon

>>49860089
Ingame, it was pretty much the lazy/cost efficient decision to only sculpt a different head for Grom but base him off the default orc-model.

The lords of war animations had him fairly proportionate, I think.

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>>49859347

>mfw you read his story expecting him to say "fuck the dindu orcs" at the end
>mfw he didnt and it triggered you

>>49853610
>0 faction presence
>racial """"""""""leader""""""""""" are teenage literally who apprentices from some kong fu school
>gets literally raped then impaled by Garrosh but still stay in the horde
>kong ku police rules an entire continent
>no actual government
>no army
>no major cities
>everything inherited from the mogu from 10k years ago, still don't understand half of the tech
>get drunk and nothing else for 10k years
>gets attacked by the horde since day one but still let them dig around in sacred sites instead of kicking them out
>somehow give shits about this white kid's adventures and allows his daddy's fleet to land and take charge
>constantly complain about everything but doesn't actually do anything about it
>the one time Taran Zhu tried to behave like an actual political figure that cares for his "nation"''s diplomatic security he got shot down by a literal giant pussy then corrupted by a sha

And this is suppose to attract Chinese audiences?

>>49860374
>implying chinese audiences play it for the plot

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>>49859313
Just for you, buddy.

Should have been the main BBEG of WoD.

>>49861133
Honestly I wished WoD went more into alternate timeline shit. I was expecting the Saurfang brothers to be a miniboss in a dungeon or Orgrim actually doing shit.

>>49858470
One of those two only got corrupted because Altruis hired the player to murderhobo him to death, and when his soul ended up in the nether Kil'jaeden showed him what had happened. He got pissed off at his former friend hiring some asshole to kill him that he switched sides to the Legion. So it's kind of your fault (and Altruis's).

The other one apparently just turned traitor out of lust for power and demon cock, though.

>>49861133
Nah. Blackhand was always an easily-manipulated dunce. Strong as an ox. And about as smart.

>>49861263
Old Man Saurfang is too popular and liked amongst both faction players to turn into a boss, even as his younger self.
I think it would have brought a lot of pathos to WoD to have old Saurfang go to Draenor and meet with his younger, bloodthirsty alternate self.
Or have Yrel hunt down AU Maraad because she still wants his dick.

Or Draenei players finding younger versions of themselves or Orc players finding their parents.

Or have the fucking Farahlon Islands like planned and were shown on every fucking map for the first half of the expansion before strategically-placed doodads showed up to cover them on all your maps.

>>49861427
>Or Draenei players finding younger versions of themselves or Orc players finding their parents.
I would have loved that. I also wouldn't have mind maybe an Azeroth invasion patch. I don't know how it'd work but I just feel like alternate timeline had so much potential to do some fun stories

>>49861537
Yeah, getting to see a pre-invasion Azeroth would have been great.

>>49861537
>Azeroth Invasion

That was the pre-patch, Anon. I was literally contained in the Blasted Lands and nothing of worth happened.

>>49861427
Blackhand would have been a good BBEG if they threw out that part of his character for the AU, and made him a master tactician. Have a mini-raid between Highmaul and BRF where Grommash is talked down by Thrall just before Blackhand assassinates him, then move BRF to post Farahlon.

Also,

>Orgrim becomes boss of a 110 Heroic Only dungeon
>Saurfang takes his place in Talador, doesn't die there but shows up later taking Grommash's place in Tanaan.
>Blackhands sons show up as dungeon boss in Farahlon.
>Do what happened in the movie, with Blackrock getting Fel-infused, but Blackhand holds back and waits
>End-boss of HFC is a Fel-powered Blackhand with Gul'dan tossing spells.

WoD was such wasted potential.

>>49861537
I think I've said this in every thread over the past month. But that would've been the perfect opportunity to actually let players see Orcs as Noble Savages and not just Savages pissing on a burning building, turning around and saying "We wuz noble once, mebbe we can be again?", and then tripping and falling in the koolaid while another Orc shouts "we were meant for more than this!" while he buries his axe in a childs skull and bellows about honour.

Also, a missed gameplay opporunity that I wished happened.
>You're in a big raid
>The boss has a two realm mechanic
>Gotta beat the boss on both realms or you wipe
>The door busts in at a phase change, it's an alternate universe raid and it has everyone in your current raids alternate self.
>"We'll handle this"
>They run through the portal to the other realm, you beat the boss and your alternate self sends you the loot in the mailbox with a cool message.

>>49857515
You know, for all its faults, SW:TOR managed to do that in MMO format. Each character had their own personal story that made it seem like their choices mattered while the overall story still progressed regardless of those personal storylines. Hell, even dungeons (pardon, flashpoints) have choices in them, even if the overall result is the same. Like when you could fight the imperial boarding party to shut down forcefield in your way, or just void the engine room to the space, killing the crew for dark side points, but achieving the same effect.

It would be awesome to have the option to tell Xe'ra to shut up about how Illidan didn't do nothing wrong, even if you still did her quests anyway.

>>49861133
>Doubledubs
Blackhand the Pussydestroyer is blessed by the gods!

Thansk bruv I appreciate it.

>>49861427
My point was exactly this all along. Up until WoD and the film, Blackhand was unanimously accepted as the epitome of a Warhammer orc lost in a Warcraft world, where all those orky qualities are seen as primarily negative.

Now, with WoD and the film to retcon the character, he now has potential to be expanded upon as a character. Because of this, AU/retcon Blackhand is just another of those wasted potentials.

>>49861668
Unfortunately wouldn't that require everyone in the raid to be an Orc or Draenei ?

>>49862027
On top of that most non-undead non-elf players would be children. Remember, Thrall wasn't even born on Draenor.

>>49861933
>Blackhand was unanimously accepted as the epitome of a Warhammer orc lost in a Warcraft world
Wut. You're projecting a whole lot of bullshit. Blackhand was, from the beginning, a bull-headed idiot. Greedy, cruel, angry and malicious but easily manipulated. Gul'dan manipulated him so well that Blackhand thought he was the one in charge. It's a retcon to have him anything but a lumbering idiot. After Guldy got knocked into a coma after the First War, Blackhand didn't have the wherewithal to maintain order over the Horde and Doomhammer killed him to take command.

To make it topical, Blackhand was Trump, Gul'dan was Putin.

>>49862277
>Greedy, cruel, angry and malicious

That's basically all the things a Warhammer orc would need to succeed as chieftain or warboss or even waaaghboss. I took it as an example, I didn't actually expect people to call ol' Blacky a warhammer orc lost in warcraft land.

>It's a retcon to have him anything but a lumbering idiot

That's my point.

>Bringing politics into this

It doesn't make it topical, it only adds fuel to the shitposting.

>>49862277

Hillary voter found. Go chimpout with Thug Lives Matter and support Open Borders.

>>49862603
I find it funny that it's the trump babbies that decry political correctness, but cry the loudest whenever says anything mean about their imbecile of a candidate

>>49862277
>>49862603
>>49862682

>Implying guldan isnt hillary
>Evil, manipulative behind the scene
>A pawn of the legion/wall street
>Fuck his people over for power
>Sucks demon/mudslime dick
>First warlock/woman president

Gitgud on your comparisons

>>49862969
>And that fake, smug smile

>>49863001
She doesn't have to be fake about the smug. Donald's doing everything he can to give the election to her.

>>49863001
Hey, you take that back. Gul'dan's smugness is genuine.

>>49863048
>>49863048
>>49863048
>>49863048

New thread.

>>49859847
before the cosmology of the Burning Legion was sorted out, every daemon from Sargeras to Kil'jaeden to the rank and file were all doomguards
I prefer the notCovenant we have now